1 00:00:03,233 --> 00:00:05,985 [birds chirping] 2 00:00:14,702 --> 00:00:16,371 [horses nickering] 3 00:00:24,837 --> 00:00:26,506 [plastic rustling] 4 00:00:26,506 --> 00:00:28,049 ‐ If I could get it off here. 5 00:00:32,011 --> 00:00:33,096 There you go. 6 00:00:37,392 --> 00:00:39,561 This is what people claim they saw, 7 00:00:39,561 --> 00:00:41,521 you know, when they see a Bigfoot. 8 00:00:41,521 --> 00:00:44,065 ♪ 9 00:00:51,114 --> 00:00:54,033 Gimlin and Roger asked me if I'd wear the suit, you know, 10 00:00:54,701 --> 00:00:57,829 and promised me to give me a thousand bucks, you know, 11 00:00:58,371 --> 00:00:59,330 for 10 minutes work. 12 00:00:59,330 --> 00:01:00,248 What the heck? 13 00:01:01,541 --> 00:01:03,543 That's kinda the way that we got, 14 00:01:03,543 --> 00:01:05,503 you know, mixed up in the Bigfoot thing. 15 00:01:07,630 --> 00:01:10,675 But they said you can't tell anybody anything. 16 00:01:11,593 --> 00:01:14,053 Nothing. No. Nothing. 17 00:01:14,053 --> 00:01:15,597 I said, "Okay, I won't." 18 00:01:16,389 --> 00:01:20,101 So, uh, for 35 years, I kept it, you know. 19 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,021 I denied it that was me, 20 00:01:23,438 --> 00:01:25,607 and I denied it, you know, all those years. 21 00:01:25,607 --> 00:01:26,858 "Well, we know it was you." 22 00:01:26,858 --> 00:01:28,735 "No, you know, you're full of beans." 23 00:01:29,569 --> 00:01:30,987 I put my legs in 24 00:01:31,738 --> 00:01:34,365 and then I put my arms in and then I stood up, 25 00:01:34,365 --> 00:01:37,410 and they zipped it up, and then the head went on last. 26 00:01:38,244 --> 00:01:40,955 I walked across there and it only took one shot 27 00:01:41,497 --> 00:01:42,999 of me going across there. 28 00:01:43,917 --> 00:01:46,211 It was hot, you know. I was afraid of getting shot, 29 00:01:46,211 --> 00:01:49,214 by, you know, a hunter or something out there with a rifle. 30 00:01:54,010 --> 00:01:58,848 ‐ For people to say, "Well, it had to be somebody in a suit" and stuff, 31 00:01:58,848 --> 00:02:00,767 I said, "That just‐‐" 32 00:02:01,226 --> 00:02:04,145 I could tell if there was somebody in a suit. 33 00:02:04,938 --> 00:02:06,523 There was no such thing. 34 00:02:07,190 --> 00:02:09,526 I could just see everything moving 35 00:02:09,526 --> 00:02:12,070 underneath the hair and the muscle and‐‐ 36 00:02:12,070 --> 00:02:14,822 ‐ "Have him look at my right hip." 37 00:02:15,323 --> 00:02:17,867 I had my jeans on. It was my wallet. 38 00:02:19,077 --> 00:02:20,578 He knows it was me. 39 00:02:20,912 --> 00:02:23,456 ‐ Bob Heironimus is not a very big guy. 40 00:02:23,998 --> 00:02:27,627 He probably only stands about five‐foot‐nine or ‐ten. 41 00:02:28,628 --> 00:02:30,338 ‐ Come to find out, well, you know, 42 00:02:30,338 --> 00:02:34,425 in the last, uh... years, 43 00:02:34,425 --> 00:02:36,219 he just lives down the road from me a ways. 44 00:02:36,678 --> 00:02:40,723 ‐ He's my neighbor, but, um, I still wave at him 45 00:02:40,723 --> 00:02:42,100 when I go by and‐‐ 46 00:02:43,017 --> 00:02:44,978 ‐ He won't speak to me or‐‐ 47 00:02:44,978 --> 00:02:48,439 Or he drives by, he won't look at me and‐‐ 48 00:02:48,439 --> 00:02:49,274 What? 49 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,280 ‐ Yeah, he has waved a few times, but he won't look this way. 50 00:02:55,822 --> 00:02:59,659 ‐ The film footage actually speaks for itself. 51 00:03:02,662 --> 00:03:06,124 Not knowing sometimes does create 52 00:03:07,709 --> 00:03:10,503 a doubt if there is such a thing. 53 00:03:11,337 --> 00:03:13,673 If somebody comes up to me and says, 54 00:03:13,673 --> 00:03:15,967 "Well, that was fake," I'll just say, "Well, 55 00:03:16,509 --> 00:03:18,803 [clicks tongue] so be it." 56 00:03:20,471 --> 00:03:21,389 You know? 57 00:03:21,389 --> 00:03:23,641 "If you can prove it, then prove it." 58 00:03:23,641 --> 00:03:27,020 ♪ 59 00:03:36,696 --> 00:03:37,989 [dog barking in distance] 60 00:03:45,455 --> 00:03:47,749 DAVID HOLTHOUSE: I'd been chasing this crazy fucking story 61 00:03:47,749 --> 00:03:50,293 I heard in the fall of 1993... 62 00:03:50,293 --> 00:03:52,295 [thunder rumbling] 63 00:03:52,295 --> 00:03:53,713 about a Sasquatch 64 00:03:54,505 --> 00:03:57,050 tearing three guys apart on a cannabis farm 65 00:03:57,050 --> 00:03:58,509 in Mendocino County. 66 00:04:01,763 --> 00:04:04,432 And after weeks of trying, finally got a hit 67 00:04:04,432 --> 00:04:06,392 on somebody that had heard the story. 68 00:04:07,852 --> 00:04:11,397 This guy Razor, he keyed in on, "Yeah, that rings a bell." 69 00:04:14,025 --> 00:04:16,819 And he had two critical pieces of new information. 70 00:04:16,819 --> 00:04:20,031 One was the three guys that were killed were Mexicans 71 00:04:20,615 --> 00:04:22,075 and two, 72 00:04:22,075 --> 00:04:24,827 that the location was not only Mendocino County 73 00:04:24,827 --> 00:04:26,829 but specifically Spy Rock Road. 74 00:04:29,749 --> 00:04:32,210 Now, private investigator that I hired 75 00:04:32,835 --> 00:04:35,004 kinda disappeared for a couple weeks, 76 00:04:35,630 --> 00:04:37,674 and then he just came across with this text 77 00:04:38,591 --> 00:04:41,135 that was like, A, saying that he quit 78 00:04:41,135 --> 00:04:42,637 and B, like, 79 00:04:43,596 --> 00:04:47,642 you are venturing into dangerous territory with this investigation. 80 00:04:48,476 --> 00:04:51,020 He won't return my phone calls. He won't return my texts. 81 00:04:51,020 --> 00:04:52,730 He won't answer my emails. 82 00:04:52,730 --> 00:04:54,023 Like, nothing. 83 00:04:56,734 --> 00:04:57,861 RAZOR [on phone]: Hello. 84 00:04:57,861 --> 00:04:59,404 ‐ Hey, man, this is David Holthouse. 85 00:05:00,113 --> 00:05:02,782 Uh... I don't know what your schedule's looking like 86 00:05:02,782 --> 00:05:05,410 next few weeks, you know, a month out, something like that 87 00:05:05,410 --> 00:05:08,329 but if, uh, is there anyway we could knock around a bit 88 00:05:08,329 --> 00:05:09,998 together up in Mendo? 89 00:05:10,748 --> 00:05:12,750 RAZOR: Uh, yeah. Yeah. 90 00:05:13,167 --> 00:05:14,836 HOLTHOUSE: The next step is to find out 91 00:05:14,836 --> 00:05:17,589 what was going on with Mexicans working on dope farms 92 00:05:17,589 --> 00:05:19,173 in Mendocino County. 93 00:05:19,173 --> 00:05:22,302 What kind of shit was going on at Spy Rock Road in the early '90s? 94 00:05:23,469 --> 00:05:26,014 ♪ 95 00:05:29,017 --> 00:05:32,353 You look at local news coverage going back decades, 96 00:05:33,313 --> 00:05:36,149 you know, stabbing on Spy Rock, shooting on Spy Rock, 97 00:05:36,149 --> 00:05:37,150 murder on Spy Rock. 98 00:05:37,150 --> 00:05:39,027 Spy Rock. Spy Rock. Spy Rock. 99 00:05:40,570 --> 00:05:43,573 ♪ 100 00:05:46,075 --> 00:05:47,368 Tell me about Spy Rock Road 101 00:05:47,368 --> 00:05:49,746 and what makes it different 102 00:05:49,746 --> 00:05:51,581 than other areas in Humboldt or Mendocino. 103 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,959 ‐ Well, it's a‐‐ I mean, back then especially, 104 00:05:54,959 --> 00:05:57,378 you're pretty cut off, you know. 105 00:05:57,378 --> 00:06:00,924 So you go up there and make a commitment to grow, 106 00:06:00,924 --> 00:06:03,801 you're not gonna be coming down 107 00:06:03,801 --> 00:06:05,970 every couple of days to get something. 108 00:06:09,015 --> 00:06:11,017 GHOSTDANCE: You go up the mountain a little ways 109 00:06:12,101 --> 00:06:15,688 and it's the Hells Angels controls that part of the mountain. 110 00:06:15,688 --> 00:06:17,482 So it's a rough and tumble mountain. 111 00:06:17,482 --> 00:06:20,193 It's a mountain where there's always been rumors 112 00:06:20,527 --> 00:06:24,364 that why everyone else was getting robbed and home invasions, 113 00:06:24,864 --> 00:06:26,407 it didn't go on up there. 114 00:06:26,908 --> 00:06:30,245 Because it was protected in a way by the locals. 115 00:06:32,288 --> 00:06:35,250 RAZOR: It was one of those areas where there was a potential 116 00:06:35,250 --> 00:06:37,502 for a heightened amount of violence. 117 00:06:40,421 --> 00:06:44,259 It wasn't the first time I heard someone got killed up there. 118 00:06:44,259 --> 00:06:46,928 ♪ 119 00:06:57,021 --> 00:06:59,023 It's not that hard to grow cannabis. 120 00:07:00,275 --> 00:07:02,735 But to... finish it 121 00:07:03,570 --> 00:07:06,823 and to protect it while it's growing 122 00:07:06,823 --> 00:07:08,575 that starts to add elements 123 00:07:08,575 --> 00:07:11,703 of, uh, danger and skill 124 00:07:11,703 --> 00:07:14,163 that are necessary to, like, pull it off. 125 00:07:14,706 --> 00:07:16,749 I mean, you had to control your farm, 126 00:07:16,749 --> 00:07:18,543 you had to control your area. 127 00:07:19,043 --> 00:07:22,589 You know? If you can't instill respect from your neighbor, 128 00:07:22,589 --> 00:07:25,383 you‐‐ then you gotta instill fear in them. 129 00:07:27,343 --> 00:07:30,179 HOLTHOUSE: Early '90s, it's like full‐on militarization 130 00:07:30,179 --> 00:07:31,222 of the war on drugs, right? 131 00:07:31,222 --> 00:07:33,182 Was it like being occupied by, uh‐‐ 132 00:07:33,182 --> 00:07:35,935 RAZOR: Yeah, I mean, there would be armored personnel vehicles, 133 00:07:35,935 --> 00:07:37,061 you know, and‐‐ 134 00:07:37,061 --> 00:07:39,689 I mean, I, I remember the word eradication was 135 00:07:39,689 --> 00:07:42,317 the word that they used the most back then. 136 00:07:42,317 --> 00:07:46,279 They, they were hell‐bent on eradicating the cannabis plant. 137 00:07:48,281 --> 00:07:49,616 It was like you were, 138 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,493 you were trying to be a farmer in a warzone. 139 00:07:52,952 --> 00:07:55,997 The interdiction efforts by the DEA and CAMP 140 00:07:57,707 --> 00:07:59,667 put a lot of pressure on the community, 141 00:07:59,667 --> 00:08:02,378 and so there's a lot of community trauma 142 00:08:02,378 --> 00:08:04,589 that's been, uh, just layered 143 00:08:06,341 --> 00:08:07,592 over the years. 144 00:08:09,761 --> 00:08:11,971 [rain pouring] 145 00:08:11,971 --> 00:08:15,058 [thunder rumbling] 146 00:08:18,228 --> 00:08:21,105 HOLTHOUSE: Before I got to the Emerald Triangle in 1993, 147 00:08:21,105 --> 00:08:23,399 I had this vision of it being 148 00:08:23,399 --> 00:08:26,194 this sort of dope‐growing peaceful utopia. 149 00:08:28,488 --> 00:08:30,532 I didn't know the reality of the place, 150 00:08:31,115 --> 00:08:32,158 which was that 151 00:08:33,284 --> 00:08:34,786 they were all carrying guns. 152 00:08:37,163 --> 00:08:38,998 All these Back to the Land hippies, 153 00:08:39,666 --> 00:08:40,833 these guys were all armed. 154 00:08:41,459 --> 00:08:43,503 Heavily armed in a lot of cases. 155 00:08:43,962 --> 00:08:45,713 You know, listening to The Grateful Dead 156 00:08:46,422 --> 00:08:48,383 but packing an AR‐15. 157 00:08:51,844 --> 00:08:53,012 And then 158 00:08:54,222 --> 00:08:56,224 [chuckles] there were the booby traps. 159 00:08:57,433 --> 00:08:59,102 One of the jobs on the farm 160 00:08:59,102 --> 00:09:02,480 was to check, maintain, and install booby traps. 161 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:03,106 Okay. 162 00:09:03,731 --> 00:09:06,067 And we visited a couple other farms 163 00:09:06,067 --> 00:09:09,654 to help string fishhooks on fishing line about eye level 164 00:09:09,654 --> 00:09:11,823 around cannabis patches. 165 00:09:13,157 --> 00:09:16,119 They also were setting small‐game traps 166 00:09:16,119 --> 00:09:18,746 and installing motion sensors around the perimeter. 167 00:09:23,418 --> 00:09:27,630 This was the era of CAMP and Operation Green Sweep. 168 00:09:28,673 --> 00:09:32,302 The DEA had made weed 169 00:09:32,302 --> 00:09:35,263 a top priority in the war on drugs. 170 00:09:37,432 --> 00:09:39,017 So paranoia was running high. 171 00:09:52,447 --> 00:09:55,617 Um, for those who don't know, what was CAMP? 172 00:09:56,034 --> 00:09:59,287 ‐ CA‐‐ CAMP stood for the Campaign Against Marijuana Planting. 173 00:09:59,996 --> 00:10:04,626 And it was a multi‐agency task force that was developed in 1982, 174 00:10:05,126 --> 00:10:08,087 uh, to eradicate marijuana in California. 175 00:10:08,087 --> 00:10:11,090 ♪ dramatic music playing ♪ 176 00:10:11,090 --> 00:10:12,926 NEWSCASTER: In the same Northern California hills 177 00:10:12,926 --> 00:10:15,511 where the giant redwoods have grown for centuries 178 00:10:15,511 --> 00:10:19,015 are now hidden patch after patch of marijuana plants, 179 00:10:19,015 --> 00:10:22,101 known here as Humboldt Gold. America's most potent 180 00:10:22,101 --> 00:10:24,896 and profitable variety of the illegal drug. 181 00:10:27,482 --> 00:10:30,235 This week, law enforcement authorities have moved into Humboldt County 182 00:10:30,235 --> 00:10:33,279 in a major raid to begin chopping down and clearing out 183 00:10:33,279 --> 00:10:35,031 the clandestine croplands. 184 00:10:35,823 --> 00:10:38,993 MOLLY SINOWAY: The first time I heard about CAMP 185 00:10:38,993 --> 00:10:41,579 was when I saw helicopters landing 186 00:10:42,830 --> 00:10:45,625 in the meadow of the school, where our kids went to school. 187 00:10:56,427 --> 00:10:58,555 That was my first experience, 188 00:10:58,555 --> 00:11:01,057 hearing that whomp, whomp, whomp, whomp, whomp, 189 00:11:01,057 --> 00:11:02,350 which is terrifying. 190 00:11:02,350 --> 00:11:06,020 ♪ 191 00:11:06,020 --> 00:11:07,480 LARRY LIVERMORE: They shake the whole hillside. 192 00:11:09,065 --> 00:11:11,901 They were in full combat regalia with automatic rifles, 193 00:11:11,901 --> 00:11:14,529 hanging off the side of it, just staring back at me. 194 00:11:17,031 --> 00:11:20,702 Sometimes the soldiers would come down the rope ladders 195 00:11:21,327 --> 00:11:22,871 and just demolish everything. 196 00:11:23,997 --> 00:11:27,000 They would just go from one farm to the next. 197 00:11:27,876 --> 00:11:31,045 Your whole year could be wiped out in the space of an afternoon, 198 00:11:31,045 --> 00:11:33,423 and that's what happened to a lot of people. 199 00:11:33,423 --> 00:11:36,593 ♪ 200 00:11:42,307 --> 00:11:44,058 MAN 1: Welcome to the Emerald Triangle. 201 00:11:44,934 --> 00:11:48,229 MAN 2 : The war on drugs disturbs me. 202 00:11:48,771 --> 00:11:51,691 It seems wrong to me that the government can go to war 203 00:11:51,691 --> 00:11:53,234 against its own citizens. 204 00:11:54,736 --> 00:11:56,988 REPORTER: One drug agent said using the military 205 00:11:56,988 --> 00:12:00,617 to go after gardens planted by a bunch of aging hippies 206 00:12:00,617 --> 00:12:03,870 is like using a Howitzer to kill a gnat. 207 00:12:03,870 --> 00:12:07,624 [indiscernible singing] 208 00:12:12,712 --> 00:12:16,841 ‐ You've got these people in armored helicopter gunships, you know. 209 00:12:16,841 --> 00:12:20,011 They're hanging out, you know, with their automatic weapons, you know. 210 00:12:20,011 --> 00:12:23,973 It's like don't hit a bump, you know, and nail my wife and kids. 211 00:12:27,852 --> 00:12:31,773 WOMAN: Some friends of mine were chased out of their house 212 00:12:31,773 --> 00:12:33,608 and across the meadow, 213 00:12:33,608 --> 00:12:36,319 carrying their baby in their arms, by a helicopter. 214 00:12:36,819 --> 00:12:39,072 ‐ Their attitude has been we can do anything we want. 215 00:12:39,072 --> 00:12:41,032 If people happen to live in an area 216 00:12:41,032 --> 00:12:43,535 where marijuana is being grown, they don't have rights. 217 00:13:00,260 --> 00:13:02,887 [gunshots] 218 00:13:02,887 --> 00:13:05,807 SINOWAY: I don't know what motivated the camp officers 219 00:13:06,599 --> 00:13:08,309 to dehumanize 220 00:13:09,310 --> 00:13:12,146 a whole huge group of people. 221 00:13:14,649 --> 00:13:17,986 Young families, with children, with animals. 222 00:13:20,321 --> 00:13:21,823 It's a mystery to me. 223 00:13:24,993 --> 00:13:26,995 [indiscernible conversation] 224 00:13:31,082 --> 00:13:33,126 MARK SAIZ: Um, when they work an operation, 225 00:13:33,710 --> 00:13:35,044 we would have patches made. 226 00:13:35,587 --> 00:13:38,464 Uh, "If you plant it, we will come," 227 00:13:39,007 --> 00:13:40,258 uh, from the movie 228 00:13:41,217 --> 00:13:42,844 the‐‐ with Kevin Costner. 229 00:13:42,844 --> 00:13:45,138 Well, this is the patch we used for one year. 230 00:13:47,181 --> 00:13:48,683 CAMP was outstanding. 231 00:13:48,683 --> 00:13:51,227 I had a lot of fun working for CAMP. 232 00:13:51,227 --> 00:13:54,355 Um... something new every day. Something new every day. 233 00:13:54,355 --> 00:13:56,524 Uh, we had no clue what we were getting into, 234 00:13:57,025 --> 00:13:59,611 but, uh, for the most part, yes, it was fun. 235 00:13:59,611 --> 00:14:02,655 Uh, dangerous, uh, rewarding, 236 00:14:03,031 --> 00:14:04,324 uh, and exciting. 237 00:14:04,949 --> 00:14:05,867 Real exciting. 238 00:14:09,245 --> 00:14:11,122 CHRISTOPHER DIENSTAG: They'd go up there, and they'd be cowboys, man. 239 00:14:11,122 --> 00:14:14,584 Yoo‐hoo! Fly in their helicopters like they were in Apocalypse Now 240 00:14:14,584 --> 00:14:17,295 and come down and cut it down and, like, 241 00:14:18,087 --> 00:14:20,256 decimate the‐the devil weed 242 00:14:20,256 --> 00:14:22,258 and put the farmers out of business 243 00:14:22,258 --> 00:14:23,927 and then smoke their pot. 244 00:14:23,927 --> 00:14:26,429 ♪ 245 00:14:35,605 --> 00:14:36,940 If you got caught, 246 00:14:37,774 --> 00:14:40,735 you're fucking going to jail for a long time. 247 00:14:41,444 --> 00:14:44,906 So every little grow area that I had in my patch, 248 00:14:44,906 --> 00:14:46,574 a lot of the other guys too, 249 00:14:46,574 --> 00:14:49,160 was handcrafted amongst the manzanita 250 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:50,870 and the oak 251 00:14:50,870 --> 00:14:52,372 so you couldn't see it. 252 00:14:53,164 --> 00:14:54,666 And it was really hard work. 253 00:14:57,168 --> 00:15:00,505 Back then, you had to carry everything on your back. 254 00:15:02,590 --> 00:15:04,509 You work all year long 255 00:15:04,509 --> 00:15:07,345 and they just swoop in, and they take all your labor, 256 00:15:07,345 --> 00:15:09,430 own all your effort and all your investment, 257 00:15:09,430 --> 00:15:11,349 and you're fucked. 258 00:15:12,433 --> 00:15:13,893 There's no money that year. 259 00:15:15,103 --> 00:15:17,522 There's no, there's no money for food. 260 00:15:17,522 --> 00:15:18,898 There's no money for diapers. 261 00:15:18,898 --> 00:15:20,567 There's no, there's no money. 262 00:15:26,155 --> 00:15:28,950 SINOWAY: After CAMP occurred, 263 00:15:28,950 --> 00:15:31,911 prices of marijuana skyrocketed 264 00:15:31,911 --> 00:15:34,581 because it had been so eradicated. 265 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:41,754 So families became very protective of who visited 266 00:15:41,754 --> 00:15:43,256 their homesteads. 267 00:15:46,467 --> 00:15:49,971 At one point, there was a security store that opened in town. 268 00:15:51,055 --> 00:15:53,933 As marijuana become more and more, 269 00:15:53,933 --> 00:15:56,686 uh, valuable monetarily, 270 00:15:56,686 --> 00:16:00,899 there was the risk of... of someone stealing your crop. 271 00:16:02,609 --> 00:16:04,527 WOMAN: I carry a gun when I go up there, 272 00:16:04,527 --> 00:16:06,404 because there's been a lot of rip‐offs around. 273 00:16:06,404 --> 00:16:08,781 I was ripped off last year up there. 274 00:16:08,781 --> 00:16:12,827 And we have to have security set up all over the garden 275 00:16:13,578 --> 00:16:16,039 and somebody just constantly watching it. 276 00:16:18,124 --> 00:16:21,044 LIVERMORE: A real cultural sea‐change happened in the wake of CAMP. 277 00:16:22,170 --> 00:16:24,672 It shattered the, the community, 278 00:16:24,672 --> 00:16:27,800 in that almost all of my initial community left. 279 00:16:29,928 --> 00:16:32,722 ‐ Having that additional constant stress, 280 00:16:32,722 --> 00:16:35,767 that threat of, "Am I gonna be busted," 281 00:16:35,767 --> 00:16:37,560 "Am I gonna be ripped off," 282 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,605 Is somebody gonna lie to me, is someone gonna set me up?" 283 00:16:42,732 --> 00:16:45,860 And some people decide they don't want to live that way any longer. 284 00:16:46,236 --> 00:16:49,239 Uh, and the smart ones took their proceeds 285 00:16:49,239 --> 00:16:51,157 and, like, left the game behind. 286 00:16:52,534 --> 00:16:55,370 But some people just got caught up in it and didn't know when to get out. 287 00:16:55,954 --> 00:16:59,040 You know, money... money changes people. 288 00:17:00,250 --> 00:17:02,085 Ownership, it changes everything. 289 00:17:02,085 --> 00:17:03,878 Because once you own something, 290 00:17:03,878 --> 00:17:06,381 now you have to protect it. 291 00:17:06,381 --> 00:17:08,299 So these hippies turned. 292 00:17:08,299 --> 00:17:11,427 Some of them turned in the sense, because now they had ownership, 293 00:17:11,427 --> 00:17:14,305 and they had something to lose and they had to protect it. 294 00:17:17,684 --> 00:17:19,102 [Holthouse speaking] 295 00:17:56,514 --> 00:17:58,850 [line ringing] 296 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:03,938 [ringing continues] 297 00:18:03,938 --> 00:18:05,815 MAN: [on phone] Hello. ‐ Hi, is this [bleep]. 298 00:18:06,566 --> 00:18:07,817 MAN: Yes. 299 00:18:07,817 --> 00:18:10,069 ‐ Is, uh‐‐ Could I come see you, 300 00:18:10,069 --> 00:18:12,405 uh, this afternoon, this evening in Laytonville? 301 00:18:16,868 --> 00:18:18,161 ‐ I could meet in about an hour. 302 00:18:18,161 --> 00:18:20,371 I'm in‐‐ I'm close to Ukiah right now. 303 00:18:21,247 --> 00:18:22,081 INFORMANT: Okay. 304 00:18:24,876 --> 00:18:26,002 ‐ Which parking lot? 305 00:18:29,172 --> 00:18:30,173 ‐ Boomer's? 306 00:18:32,175 --> 00:18:34,385 ‐ Okay. All right. Boomer's is a bar. I got you. 307 00:18:34,385 --> 00:18:37,138 Tha‐that was the piece of information that was confusing me. 308 00:18:37,138 --> 00:18:40,516 Okay. Parking lot at Boomer's, uh, at 5:00? 309 00:18:44,187 --> 00:18:46,105 ‐ That's classic doper, right? 310 00:18:46,105 --> 00:18:48,525 Fucking‐‐ Meet in the fucking parking lot in a car. 311 00:18:49,067 --> 00:18:50,360 Uh‐‐ 312 00:18:52,445 --> 00:18:54,739 You know, I've met probably a dozen or more 313 00:18:54,739 --> 00:18:56,824 old‐time cannabis growers from the Emerald Triangle 314 00:18:56,824 --> 00:18:58,368 who are still active in the area. 315 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:00,620 They're willing to sit down and talk to me, 316 00:19:00,620 --> 00:19:02,872 but there's no fucking way they were ever gonna go on camera. 317 00:19:03,289 --> 00:19:07,585 Not super‐psyched on this arrangement but I think that it's, uh, 318 00:19:07,585 --> 00:19:10,088 it's, it's worth undertaking the risk, so‐‐ 319 00:19:10,588 --> 00:19:12,131 Yeah. We'll go see what's up. 320 00:19:13,675 --> 00:19:14,801 Yep. 321 00:19:16,761 --> 00:19:18,596 My whole career as a journalist 322 00:19:18,596 --> 00:19:21,057 has been built upon the fact 323 00:19:21,057 --> 00:19:25,144 that, for reasons that I don't care to examine too closely, 324 00:19:25,144 --> 00:19:27,856 criminals feel very comfortable with my presence, 325 00:19:27,856 --> 00:19:30,400 and I feel very comfortable around criminals. 326 00:19:32,777 --> 00:19:35,446 I read to them as crooked, as crooked as they are. 327 00:19:36,197 --> 00:19:38,408 That's always been the case, since I was very young. 328 00:19:41,494 --> 00:19:43,872 A lot of the stories that I reported and wrote, 329 00:19:43,872 --> 00:19:47,292 I was chasing monsters in the sense that‐‐ that I was, uh, 330 00:19:48,293 --> 00:19:50,879 you know, pursuing my own demons that lived in my head. 331 00:19:54,132 --> 00:19:56,759 I mean, fuck, the most, the most famous story 332 00:19:56,759 --> 00:20:00,054 that I ever reported and wrote was called Stalking the Bogeyman, 333 00:20:00,054 --> 00:20:02,515 which was about destroying a real monster 334 00:20:02,515 --> 00:20:04,392 that had done something monstrous to me. 335 00:20:08,396 --> 00:20:11,065 Well, it's no secret. I mean, I‐I've been very public with the fact 336 00:20:11,065 --> 00:20:13,484 that I was sexually assaulted when I was seven years old. 337 00:20:17,447 --> 00:20:20,241 I didn't have any sort of concept of sex 338 00:20:20,241 --> 00:20:22,869 or rape or anything like that. 339 00:20:22,869 --> 00:20:25,163 I just knew that it hurt like hell. 340 00:20:25,538 --> 00:20:26,873 ‐ What was he saying? 341 00:20:26,873 --> 00:20:29,000 ‐ I don't remember him saying anything. 342 00:20:29,500 --> 00:20:31,085 ‐ Were you saying anything? 343 00:20:32,712 --> 00:20:35,131 ‐ I don't think so. I think I was just crying. 344 00:20:42,055 --> 00:20:44,724 It's a pretty common consequence of that 345 00:20:44,724 --> 00:20:48,311 for, um... people who are victimized 346 00:20:48,311 --> 00:20:49,687 by childhood sexual assault 347 00:20:49,687 --> 00:20:52,106 to come away from the experience 348 00:20:52,106 --> 00:20:55,527 with a, shall we say, a diminished sense of self‐worth. 349 00:20:56,945 --> 00:20:59,239 And that enabled me 350 00:20:59,697 --> 00:21:01,783 to take risks without a lot of fear. 351 00:21:08,039 --> 00:21:09,832 [car passing by] 352 00:21:21,886 --> 00:21:23,054 Come on. 353 00:21:25,181 --> 00:21:27,058 Just leave it. Quit fucking with it. 354 00:21:29,143 --> 00:21:32,897 Rolling around with a, just with a digital recorder going 355 00:21:32,897 --> 00:21:34,691 and with a hidden camera, 356 00:21:34,691 --> 00:21:39,195 you get a much more authentic representation 357 00:22:34,167 --> 00:22:35,084 [horn honks] 358 00:22:36,711 --> 00:22:37,921 [Holthouse speaking] 359 00:23:03,863 --> 00:23:06,866 HOLTHOUSE: I was up with a old‐time grower. 360 00:23:06,866 --> 00:23:10,119 She told me a story about these guys from LA, 361 00:23:10,537 --> 00:23:13,831 you know, and they got killed and buried up there. 362 00:23:13,831 --> 00:23:17,126 And she said, like, one of her dogs went out and found their boots one day. 363 00:23:17,126 --> 00:23:17,961 [Informant speaking] 364 00:23:38,439 --> 00:23:39,649 [Holthouse speaking] 365 00:23:49,450 --> 00:23:51,661 Holy fucking shit! 366 00:23:52,954 --> 00:23:54,080 [exhales forcefully] 367 00:23:58,459 --> 00:24:03,172 I mean, this is a place where overt racism 368 00:24:03,172 --> 00:24:06,217 is as widespread 369 00:24:06,217 --> 00:24:09,345 as it is anywhere in the country, including the deep South. 370 00:24:09,345 --> 00:24:10,179 Okay? 371 00:24:10,179 --> 00:24:13,641 And that was, if anything, even more the case in 1993 372 00:24:13,641 --> 00:24:17,228 when these three guys from Mexico were supposedly killed. 373 00:24:20,523 --> 00:24:24,485 I met this guy named Juan who was from Sinaloa in Mexico, 374 00:24:25,153 --> 00:24:29,657 and Juan was one of about a half a dozen cannabis growers 375 00:24:29,657 --> 00:24:33,536 that are, uh, subleasing land to grow weed on. 376 00:24:35,705 --> 00:24:37,040 They would all talk to me. 377 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,043 They would all be cool with my taking notes. 378 00:24:40,043 --> 00:24:43,463 But as soon as I brought up the idea of doing an interview on camera, 379 00:24:43,463 --> 00:24:44,964 it was like, fuck, no. 380 00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:47,133 And I understand why. 381 00:24:47,133 --> 00:24:50,470 If they get busted, like, their families in Mexico don't eat. 382 00:24:52,972 --> 00:24:56,517 They're vulnerable. I mean, they're, they're outsiders. 383 00:24:57,185 --> 00:25:00,230 If Juan just disappears off the face of the Earth, 384 00:25:00,230 --> 00:25:03,066 I mean, his, his family is not even gonna know 385 00:25:03,650 --> 00:25:07,195 where to start looking for him, let alone where to point law enforcement. 386 00:25:09,614 --> 00:25:12,992 Like the guys that allegedly got killed in 1993. 387 00:25:17,664 --> 00:25:20,959 ‐ Up here, they put on this wonderful 388 00:25:20,959 --> 00:25:24,087 "We're enlightened, we're spiritual." 389 00:25:24,087 --> 00:25:26,005 No. This is en‐whitenment up here. 390 00:25:26,005 --> 00:25:28,466 The tension between Latino people 391 00:25:28,466 --> 00:25:31,761 and white people in Northern California is huge. 392 00:25:32,971 --> 00:25:35,848 There's a lot of hatred and bad vibes 393 00:25:35,848 --> 00:25:37,600 and a lot of racism. 394 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:38,643 Very much. 395 00:25:38,643 --> 00:25:40,937 These towns are actually more or less, 396 00:25:40,937 --> 00:25:43,231 believe it or not, separated. 397 00:25:50,613 --> 00:25:52,240 HOLTHOUSE: Starting in the '80s, 398 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,285 the farmers in the Emerald Triangle hired 399 00:25:55,827 --> 00:25:57,954 Mexican laborers, the same as fruit growers 400 00:25:57,954 --> 00:25:59,581 in Central Valley in California. 401 00:26:02,458 --> 00:26:05,044 DIENSTAG: You know, these immigrants came into this environment 402 00:26:05,712 --> 00:26:07,589 highly motivated to, like, try 403 00:26:07,589 --> 00:26:09,757 to carve something out, to make some money, 404 00:26:09,757 --> 00:26:11,843 to send it back to their family at home, right? 405 00:26:11,843 --> 00:26:14,554 To make ends meet. These are hardworking brothers and sisters, man. 406 00:26:14,554 --> 00:26:18,141 I mean, I've had the experience of working on an organic farm 407 00:26:18,141 --> 00:26:20,935 and I worked with, uh, three guys, 408 00:26:20,935 --> 00:26:23,938 two of them from Guatemala and one of them from El Salvador, 409 00:26:23,938 --> 00:26:26,024 and they worked me under the table, dude. 410 00:26:26,024 --> 00:26:28,735 And they were 20 years older than I was at the time, man! 411 00:26:29,235 --> 00:26:31,029 Those guys were tough. 412 00:26:32,739 --> 00:26:34,324 Those guys were just trying to make a buck, 413 00:26:34,657 --> 00:26:37,118 try to send some money home or survive in this country, 414 00:26:37,118 --> 00:26:38,870 and I can't fault them for that. 415 00:26:39,454 --> 00:26:40,622 I just can't do it. 416 00:26:43,458 --> 00:26:46,002 [vehicles passing by] 417 00:26:57,388 --> 00:26:58,640 [Diana speaking in Spanish] 418 00:27:58,741 --> 00:28:01,786 HOLTHOUSE: Fair to say that criticism of CAMP represented 419 00:28:02,579 --> 00:28:06,291 misunderstanding of what a dangerous business it was? 420 00:28:06,291 --> 00:28:08,585 DALE FERRANTO: It, it seemed in the beginning 421 00:28:08,585 --> 00:28:10,128 of the, uh, CAMP seasons, 422 00:28:10,128 --> 00:28:14,340 some of the growers were local people, entrepreneurs if you will, 423 00:28:14,340 --> 00:28:15,425 trying to make a buck. 424 00:28:15,842 --> 00:28:19,012 And the perception of some of the public was that 425 00:28:19,012 --> 00:28:22,140 the marijuana growers and the marijuana business in general 426 00:28:22,140 --> 00:28:26,769 were, uh, love child, hippie type of operations, 427 00:28:26,769 --> 00:28:29,522 nothing to worry about, no danger involved. 428 00:28:29,522 --> 00:28:33,484 ♪ dramatic music playing ♪ 429 00:28:33,484 --> 00:28:37,822 In '92 and '93, where we began to see more of the violence, 430 00:28:37,822 --> 00:28:40,283 the weaponry, the booby traps, 431 00:28:40,283 --> 00:28:43,912 we, you know, knew now that we were up against something a little different. 432 00:28:43,912 --> 00:28:45,580 ‐ We've had wire, barbed wire. 433 00:28:45,580 --> 00:28:48,499 We've, uh, had one with a bear trap on the trail. 434 00:28:48,499 --> 00:28:50,126 MAN: They're protecting their sites 435 00:28:50,126 --> 00:28:51,544 whether it's fishhooks hanging from leaders, 436 00:28:51,544 --> 00:28:54,130 buried shotgun shells, and you name what else. 437 00:28:54,130 --> 00:28:57,217 ‐ When the gold fields of California opened up, 438 00:28:57,217 --> 00:29:01,387 it wasn't the best and brightest that came to pan for gold. 439 00:29:01,387 --> 00:29:05,225 It was, like, people trying to extricate a high profit for a little amount of work. 440 00:29:06,517 --> 00:29:08,728 The same thing happened growing cannabis. 441 00:29:11,064 --> 00:29:15,026 And some of us become bad actors. 442 00:29:16,945 --> 00:29:19,822 You know, you get held hostage, you get tortured, 443 00:29:20,198 --> 00:29:21,616 you pick up a drug habit, 444 00:29:21,616 --> 00:29:23,743 or you do a little bit of time. 445 00:29:23,743 --> 00:29:26,204 You go back up there, you're not the same anymore. 446 00:29:29,332 --> 00:29:31,292 LIVERMORE: A lot of harder drugs started coming in, 447 00:29:31,292 --> 00:29:33,628 and you had people up there that were 448 00:29:34,420 --> 00:29:38,550 probably high on cocaine or amphetamine or heroin constantly. 449 00:29:41,761 --> 00:29:45,723 People started building sheds or bunkers underground 450 00:29:46,266 --> 00:29:49,561 and grew more and more marijuana indoors. 451 00:29:53,147 --> 00:29:56,943 My near neighbor, once he retreated into his bunker, 452 00:29:57,902 --> 00:30:00,446 he started doing either cocaine or amphetamines 453 00:30:00,446 --> 00:30:02,907 to keep himself awake to, to guard it all. 454 00:30:04,784 --> 00:30:07,745 So he would sit there watching his money pile up, 455 00:30:07,745 --> 00:30:09,247 but he could never spend it 456 00:30:09,247 --> 00:30:10,999 'cause, 'cause he couldn't leave 457 00:30:10,999 --> 00:30:14,627 and eventually, uh, I don't know how many years later, 458 00:30:14,627 --> 00:30:16,963 he just died there of a heart attack. 459 00:30:17,505 --> 00:30:21,050 [wind gusting, branches creaking] 460 00:30:22,635 --> 00:30:24,345 DIENSTAG: You know, the guys in the backwoods 461 00:30:24,345 --> 00:30:26,681 uh, they get isolated, right? 462 00:30:27,515 --> 00:30:29,767 And you get kinda desocialized. 463 00:30:29,767 --> 00:30:32,604 You, like, become like an undomesticated animal. 464 00:30:34,439 --> 00:30:36,232 And you come in to town 465 00:30:36,232 --> 00:30:39,861 and it's loud and it's bright and there are rules. 466 00:30:39,861 --> 00:30:44,032 And I have friends that, like, literally disappeared into the woods, 467 00:30:44,032 --> 00:30:46,075 uh, that just became feral. 468 00:30:46,075 --> 00:30:49,996 ♪ 469 00:30:53,958 --> 00:30:57,253 And that kind of environment, when you're that isolated 470 00:30:58,546 --> 00:31:02,383 it's very easy to enter another kind of mental realm. 471 00:31:04,761 --> 00:31:08,056 ‐ I mean, someone doesn't have to be an amphetamine addict 472 00:31:08,056 --> 00:31:12,310 to have been out in the woods maybe too long 473 00:31:12,310 --> 00:31:14,854 and been traumatized by being out there 474 00:31:14,854 --> 00:31:16,481 and fearing for their lives. 475 00:31:19,192 --> 00:31:22,403 I feel like all the Sasquatch stories I ever heard 476 00:31:23,780 --> 00:31:26,950 emanates from that traumatic feeling of, like, 477 00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:30,411 "I might not belong here, and something is gonna take me out." 478 00:31:31,079 --> 00:31:34,082 ♪ tense music playing ♪ 479 00:31:34,082 --> 00:31:37,085 ♪ 480 00:31:43,550 --> 00:31:45,885 [insects chirping] 481 00:31:50,223 --> 00:31:52,183 HOLTHOUSE: In the Fall of 1993, 482 00:31:52,767 --> 00:31:54,769 I totally believed 483 00:31:55,270 --> 00:31:57,689 that those guys that came to the cabin 484 00:31:58,356 --> 00:32:00,191 were convinced that there was 485 00:32:00,191 --> 00:32:03,236 a... omnipresent threat. 486 00:32:05,405 --> 00:32:08,992 And one was them was traumatized. 487 00:32:10,159 --> 00:32:12,328 He was like, "No! It wasn't a fucking rip‐off. 488 00:32:12,328 --> 00:32:13,997 All the weed's still there." 489 00:32:16,416 --> 00:32:18,877 Typical marijuana patch at that time, 490 00:32:18,877 --> 00:32:20,879 at that time of the year, we're talking about, you know, 491 00:32:20,879 --> 00:32:24,007 $200,000 to $300,000 worth of, worth of weed, 492 00:32:24,007 --> 00:32:25,717 you know, was there for the taking. 493 00:32:25,717 --> 00:32:27,302 And by this guy's account, 494 00:32:27,927 --> 00:32:30,388 whoever killed these three guys didn't take the weed. 495 00:32:30,388 --> 00:32:32,140 So it wasn't a rip‐off. It was just, you know‐‐ 496 00:32:32,140 --> 00:32:34,142 The plants were all torn up, 497 00:32:34,142 --> 00:32:36,644 but they were just left strewn about. 498 00:32:36,644 --> 00:32:38,229 Now, the other thing that I would later figure out 499 00:32:38,229 --> 00:32:39,981 is that he was on crystal meth. 500 00:32:40,648 --> 00:32:43,568 Like, and that a lot of the people I'd been meeting 501 00:32:43,568 --> 00:32:45,612 during the last couple days were tweakers. 502 00:32:45,612 --> 00:32:47,572 I just hadn't any experience, you know, 503 00:32:47,572 --> 00:32:49,949 with the toothless and ruthless up to that point. 504 00:32:52,035 --> 00:32:55,163 I would love to find the guys that came to the cabin that night, 505 00:32:55,622 --> 00:33:00,001 but I think there's a high likelihood that those two guys are dead. 506 00:33:00,001 --> 00:33:02,629 Um, tweakers don't have a long shelf life. 507 00:33:03,379 --> 00:33:05,840 The guy goes out the door still, like, ranting about 508 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,176 how the fact that they got to warn everybody up there. 509 00:33:08,718 --> 00:33:10,470 The guy that owns the place sits down, 510 00:33:10,970 --> 00:33:13,473 and he goes, "Well, that was pretty fucking weird." 511 00:33:14,057 --> 00:33:15,600 And we all just started laughing, you know. 512 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,977 I mean, it was like a release of tension kind of laughter, 513 00:33:17,977 --> 00:33:19,395 but we all just busted up laughing. 514 00:33:20,355 --> 00:33:22,065 And then we didn't say anything more about it. 515 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,698 ♪ 516 00:33:33,743 --> 00:33:37,830 ♪ 517 00:33:41,793 --> 00:33:45,255 I reached out to a confidential source. 518 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,134 He absolutely refused to go on camera 519 00:33:50,134 --> 00:33:52,929 and has really good reasons for not going on camera. 520 00:33:52,929 --> 00:33:55,139 He's turned his life around, he's gotten clean. 521 00:33:55,139 --> 00:33:56,724 He got out of the dope game. 522 00:33:59,310 --> 00:34:02,605 He wanted to meet with me in person at a restaurant. 523 00:34:03,523 --> 00:34:06,985 We were there for hours with these retired weed growers, 524 00:34:07,443 --> 00:34:09,195 you know, drinking wine, eating. 525 00:34:09,195 --> 00:34:10,989 He's sitting across from me, and, you know, 526 00:34:10,989 --> 00:34:13,408 I'm not getting anything from this guy. 527 00:34:13,408 --> 00:34:16,744 Until the restaurant closes down and all the other patrons leave 528 00:34:16,744 --> 00:34:18,162 and it's just our table. 529 00:34:20,748 --> 00:34:22,792 He sorta like leans into me, and he's like, 530 00:34:23,543 --> 00:34:26,504 "I hear that you're looking into those three Mexican guys 531 00:34:26,504 --> 00:34:28,965 that [bleep] greased back in '93." 532 00:34:30,508 --> 00:34:32,802 And he says, "Wow, man, that's, that's pretty heavy." 533 00:34:39,726 --> 00:34:41,394 That's a poker face moment. 534 00:34:42,020 --> 00:34:43,313 So, in the moment, 535 00:34:43,855 --> 00:34:46,399 on the inside, I'm like, "Fuck!" 536 00:34:46,399 --> 00:34:47,984 On the outside, I'm like, 537 00:34:48,610 --> 00:34:50,945 "Yeah, that's what I'm doing. Okay." 538 00:34:51,905 --> 00:34:54,490 The way that this source came across with the name was 539 00:34:54,490 --> 00:34:57,368 as if it was common knowledge, 540 00:34:57,368 --> 00:34:59,370 at least in this social gathering. 541 00:35:01,998 --> 00:35:04,626 And, uh, he tells me that [bleep] 542 00:35:04,626 --> 00:35:07,295 worked on a farm that was owned by the Hells Angels. 543 00:35:08,046 --> 00:35:11,507 And now that jibed with other information 544 00:35:11,507 --> 00:35:13,509 that I had been told about what was going on in Spy Rock 545 00:35:13,509 --> 00:35:17,222 in the 1990s is that the Hells Angels had set up shop 546 00:35:17,764 --> 00:35:19,098 around Spy Rock Road. 547 00:35:20,391 --> 00:35:22,477 So, again, it's another one of those pieces of information 548 00:35:22,477 --> 00:35:25,230 that... kinda rises to the top. 549 00:35:25,230 --> 00:35:26,314 It fits. 550 00:35:30,443 --> 00:35:31,778 Hey, man, let me ask you something, 551 00:35:31,778 --> 00:35:34,072 I mean, regarding [bleep]. 552 00:35:34,072 --> 00:35:37,492 Do you think he poses any sort of threat to my personal safety? 553 00:35:53,216 --> 00:35:56,553 HOLTHOUSE: I mean, look, with these kinds of investigations, 554 00:35:56,553 --> 00:36:02,225 I'm still alive because I do a constant risk analysis, okay. 555 00:36:02,225 --> 00:36:05,228 And my risk analysis in regards to this individual is 556 00:36:05,228 --> 00:36:08,022 don't put his name out in the public, it's not worth the risk. 557 00:36:08,690 --> 00:36:10,859 As far as I'm concerned, he's alleged killer only, 558 00:36:10,859 --> 00:36:12,735 and alleged killer he will remain. 559 00:36:19,659 --> 00:36:21,327 ‐ Oh. Yeah, I don't wanna‐‐ 560 00:36:21,327 --> 00:36:22,704 HOLTHOUSE: Okay. ‐ Yeah. 561 00:36:22,704 --> 00:36:23,997 HOLTHOUSE: Um‐‐ 562 00:36:24,998 --> 00:36:25,874 ‐ Okay. 563 00:36:26,666 --> 00:36:28,167 Yeah, I don't wanna‐‐ I just‐‐ 564 00:36:28,167 --> 00:36:30,003 I wanna avoid talking about that guy. 565 00:36:30,003 --> 00:36:31,129 HOLTHOUSE: Avoid talking about [bleep]? 566 00:36:31,129 --> 00:36:32,672 ‐ Yeah. HOLTHOUSE: Okay. Um‐‐ 567 00:36:34,173 --> 00:36:36,175 ‐ He's got long hair, 568 00:36:36,175 --> 00:36:39,554 and he, um, wears a leather jacket with patches, 569 00:36:39,554 --> 00:36:41,931 a couple affiliation patches on it. 570 00:36:41,931 --> 00:36:43,850 He's got a big pickup truck. 571 00:36:44,309 --> 00:36:49,022 Looks like any one of a number of other deadheads, I don't know. 572 00:36:49,939 --> 00:36:53,193 He's a hyper guy. He's a high‐strung guy. 573 00:36:53,193 --> 00:36:56,446 He's a curious character. He was a good neighbor. 574 00:36:57,071 --> 00:36:59,532 And he was very, very nice. 575 00:37:00,992 --> 00:37:02,785 You know, a few years ago, 576 00:37:03,786 --> 00:37:06,789 there was a murder on Spy Rock, 577 00:37:06,789 --> 00:37:10,877 and it was a, it was a guy from another country. 578 00:37:11,377 --> 00:37:14,172 And he got dumped along the side of the road. 579 00:37:14,172 --> 00:37:16,591 And the police swarmed the whole area. 580 00:37:18,343 --> 00:37:20,678 And they harassed [bleep]. 581 00:37:21,804 --> 00:37:23,556 And I know he's one of the few people 582 00:37:23,556 --> 00:37:27,227 that stuck in there with lawyers and fought for his rights. 583 00:37:27,227 --> 00:37:29,312 And I know he got all his guns back. 584 00:37:29,979 --> 00:37:32,774 HOLTHOUSE: So what was the murder where he was harassed by the cops? 585 00:37:32,774 --> 00:37:35,193 ‐ That's the one that happened way later 586 00:37:35,193 --> 00:37:38,196 where they found the one dead foreigner guy, 587 00:37:38,196 --> 00:37:39,656 and he was a trimmigrant. 588 00:37:39,656 --> 00:37:41,407 He was an outside guy. 589 00:37:41,407 --> 00:37:44,786 And they found him literally in a ditch up there by the road. 590 00:37:45,537 --> 00:37:47,497 And then the cops got pissed and came‐‐ 591 00:37:47,497 --> 00:37:50,166 That was when they came up Spy Rock. 592 00:37:50,166 --> 00:37:53,378 And that was way later than when you're talking about. 593 00:37:53,378 --> 00:37:57,173 ♪ 594 00:38:01,678 --> 00:38:04,847 ♪ 595 00:38:12,438 --> 00:38:13,815 [Diana speaking] 596 00:38:33,084 --> 00:38:34,836 HOLTHOUSE: December 2013, 597 00:38:34,836 --> 00:38:37,463 Hugo was working as a guard 598 00:38:37,463 --> 00:38:40,466 and garden tender at a dope plot. 599 00:38:41,426 --> 00:38:43,970 He was apparently asleep in his tent, 600 00:38:44,762 --> 00:38:47,640 and someone murdered him by firing a shotgun 601 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:48,808 through the wall of the tent. 602 00:38:50,268 --> 00:38:53,354 The cops got on to the murder because a family member 603 00:38:53,938 --> 00:38:55,815 called the Mendocino County Sheriff's Office 604 00:38:55,815 --> 00:38:57,066 and said that they were hearing 605 00:38:57,775 --> 00:39:00,278 from multiple associates 606 00:39:00,278 --> 00:39:03,323 that Hugo, uh, had been killed 607 00:39:04,032 --> 00:39:06,743 and gave the cops the location. 608 00:39:06,743 --> 00:39:07,660 [Diana speaking] 609 00:39:26,262 --> 00:39:27,513 [sobs] 610 00:39:35,939 --> 00:39:38,983 ♪ 611 00:39:58,294 --> 00:40:01,297 ♪ 612 00:40:05,426 --> 00:40:09,013 ♪ 613 00:40:16,312 --> 00:40:17,856 HOLTHOUSE: Well, we really wanna meet [bleep]. 614 00:40:17,856 --> 00:40:19,732 We're gonna try and figure out a way to get to him. 615 00:40:20,692 --> 00:40:24,779 ‐ There's gotta be a way, and I will try 616 00:40:24,779 --> 00:40:26,489 a backhanded way 617 00:40:27,073 --> 00:40:28,575 to do that. 618 00:40:28,575 --> 00:40:29,701 Right? 619 00:40:29,701 --> 00:40:30,743 Um, 620 00:40:31,786 --> 00:40:33,663 I got, I got a back‐‐ 621 00:40:34,581 --> 00:40:36,791 A Hells Angel affiliate, I know. 622 00:40:36,791 --> 00:40:37,834 I'm gonna call him. 623 00:40:38,293 --> 00:40:41,004 He may know how to get his phone number. 624 00:40:41,004 --> 00:40:43,756 And I'll call him up. I'll call him up tonight. 625 00:40:44,424 --> 00:40:46,009 HOLTHOUSE: Great. That'd be great. 626 00:40:47,343 --> 00:40:50,096 [line ringing] 627 00:40:50,096 --> 00:40:52,849 ♪ 628 00:40:52,849 --> 00:40:53,933 HOLTHOUSE: Hey, is this [bleep]? 629 00:40:53,933 --> 00:40:55,018 [Hells Angel member speaking] 630 00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,023 ♪ dramatic theme playing ♪ 631 00:41:00,023 --> 00:41:04,319 ♪