1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:17,934 --> 00:00:22,647 (KEYS CLATTERING) 4 00:00:36,202 --> 00:00:37,203 How are we doin'? 5 00:00:40,957 --> 00:00:43,710 GPS: Starting route to National Institutes of Health. 6 00:00:45,545 --> 00:00:48,923 Sorry Cliff, I'm trying... I'm trying to get the right security 7 00:00:49,007 --> 00:00:51,134 to get into the right entrance. (INHALES) 8 00:00:51,259 --> 00:00:54,220 -This is a whole new life here. -DR. CLIFF LANE: Yeah, I know, I... 9 00:00:54,345 --> 00:00:58,767 (SOFT MUSIC PLAYING) 10 00:01:08,193 --> 00:01:09,861 MALE REPORTER 1: It is just before 7:00 in the morning 11 00:01:09,944 --> 00:01:12,822 and Dr. Fauci is beginning one of his 12-hour days. 12 00:01:13,448 --> 00:01:15,992 It is a schedule he keeps six days a week. 13 00:01:16,659 --> 00:01:20,663 Ten seconds. There you go. It's always ten seconds. 14 00:01:26,961 --> 00:01:29,839 TUCKER CARLSON: Tony Fauci has not been elected to anything. 15 00:01:30,131 --> 00:01:33,134 He's had the same job for nearly 40 years. 16 00:01:33,468 --> 00:01:37,889 That means the majority of American voters never even indirectly picked him. 17 00:01:38,264 --> 00:01:39,682 Yet, in the last four months, 18 00:01:39,849 --> 00:01:43,311 Fauci has become one of the most powerful people in the world. 19 00:01:46,356 --> 00:01:48,483 SCOTT WAPNER: For more on what we know about the coronavirus, 20 00:01:48,566 --> 00:01:50,276 we're joined now by Dr. Anthony Fauci. 21 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:54,197 He's Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. 22 00:01:54,322 --> 00:01:56,199 Dr. Fauci, how concerned should we be? 23 00:01:56,699 --> 00:01:57,867 DR. ANTHONY FAUCI: For a while, 24 00:01:57,951 --> 00:02:00,954 life is not gonna be the way it used to be in the United States. 25 00:02:01,204 --> 00:02:03,206 We have to just accept that 26 00:02:03,331 --> 00:02:05,583 if we wanna do what's best for the American public. 27 00:02:07,752 --> 00:02:11,506 ALISYN CAMEROTA: How does this compare to anything that you've ever dealt with? 28 00:02:11,756 --> 00:02:14,884 DR. FAUCI: You always almost have a fog of war about it. 29 00:02:14,968 --> 00:02:18,179 It's not that different than the very early years 30 00:02:18,388 --> 00:02:20,306 of the HIV epidemic. 31 00:02:21,015 --> 00:02:22,308 MALE REPORTER 2: Fauci is the Director 32 00:02:22,392 --> 00:02:25,103 of the National Institute of Allergies and Infectious Diseases 33 00:02:25,311 --> 00:02:26,938 and is the Commanding Officer 34 00:02:27,147 --> 00:02:29,315 in the nation's scientific war against AIDS. 35 00:02:29,983 --> 00:02:33,653 He is also a target of critics who charge the government's response to AIDS 36 00:02:33,736 --> 00:02:35,155 -has been one of confusion. -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) 37 00:02:35,238 --> 00:02:38,366 LARRY KRAMER: The only people in charge of AIDS are incompetent hacks. 38 00:02:38,533 --> 00:02:40,243 I mean, what the hell are these people doing? 39 00:02:40,368 --> 00:02:41,828 They're not producing drugs. 40 00:02:42,203 --> 00:02:45,081 PROTESTORS: Fire Fauci! Fire Fauci! 41 00:02:45,165 --> 00:02:46,749 TUCKER CARLSON: Do wear a mask, don't wear a mask. 42 00:02:46,958 --> 00:02:48,626 Don't worry about the coronavirus. 43 00:02:48,710 --> 00:02:52,005 Never reopen schools until we have a cure for coronavirus. 44 00:02:54,507 --> 00:02:59,721 MIKE BARNICLE: Dr. Fauci has been at this for 50 years. He is an icon. 45 00:03:00,054 --> 00:03:02,640 He is the most published researcher in the world. 46 00:03:02,765 --> 00:03:06,728 MALE REPORTER 3: I think Donald Trump is the sixth president he has served. 47 00:03:07,103 --> 00:03:10,315 He was very involved in the early AIDS epidemic, Ebola... 48 00:03:10,398 --> 00:03:11,858 You name it, he's been there. 49 00:03:13,151 --> 00:03:14,652 OWEN SHROYER: Did he get ventilators prepared? 50 00:03:14,736 --> 00:03:17,530 Did he get masks prepared? Did he get gloves prepared? 51 00:03:17,614 --> 00:03:20,074 No. No, he did nothing. 52 00:03:20,241 --> 00:03:22,952 DR. SHIVA: He should be fired, indicted and thrown in jail 53 00:03:23,036 --> 00:03:24,996 and it's time we have a revolution in this country. 54 00:03:27,790 --> 00:03:30,668 STEVE BANNON: I'd actually like to go back to the old times of Tudor England. 55 00:03:30,752 --> 00:03:36,090 I'd put the heads on pikes as a warning to federal bureaucrats, 56 00:03:36,382 --> 00:03:40,094 either get with the program or you're gone. 57 00:03:40,887 --> 00:03:43,223 -(SIGHS) -(PHONE CHIMING) 58 00:03:44,599 --> 00:03:48,937 God help us. God help us! (SIGHS) 59 00:03:49,854 --> 00:03:51,189 DR. FAUCI: Hmm. 60 00:03:52,357 --> 00:03:54,150 (PHONE CHIMING) 61 00:04:02,951 --> 00:04:04,827 -GREG FOLKERS: Can you hear me? -DR. FAUCI: Yeah, you're good. 62 00:04:05,286 --> 00:04:09,207 So, they're turning down TB requests for vaccine research? 63 00:04:09,624 --> 00:04:11,501 -COURTNEY BILLET: Correct. -Unbelievable. 64 00:04:11,584 --> 00:04:14,254 COURTNEY: I asked specifically "Who said 'no'?" 65 00:04:14,379 --> 00:04:18,508 and it was the White House. So, I guess we're back at our stalemate. 66 00:04:19,592 --> 00:04:22,971 And, you know, I didn't know when I pushed back on it, 67 00:04:23,096 --> 00:04:27,350 the answer I got was that they want the focus to be on the economy. 68 00:04:27,767 --> 00:04:33,231 I don't get how talking about vaccine isn't important about the economy. 69 00:04:33,439 --> 00:04:35,775 If you get a vaccine, the economy will open. 70 00:04:35,858 --> 00:04:36,985 So, what's the problem? 71 00:04:37,110 --> 00:04:38,736 -COURTNEY: Yeah. -I don't... I don't get it. 72 00:04:45,660 --> 00:04:49,789 DONALD TRUMP: People are tired of hearing Fauci and all these idiots, 73 00:04:49,998 --> 00:04:52,959 all these people, these people that have gotten it wrong. 74 00:04:53,084 --> 00:04:56,337 Fauci's a disaster. I mean, this guy, if I listen to him... 75 00:04:56,629 --> 00:04:59,882 DR. FAUCI: Right now, a lot of people think I'm the bad guy. 76 00:05:00,174 --> 00:05:03,177 TRUMP: Every time he goes on television there's always a bomb. 77 00:05:03,261 --> 00:05:07,473 If we listen to him, we have 700, 800,000 deaths right now. 78 00:05:07,598 --> 00:05:11,060 So if there's a recorder on, you can have it just the way it's done. 79 00:05:11,978 --> 00:05:17,317 DR. FAUCI: I mean, I'm the bad guy to an entire subset of people... 80 00:05:17,525 --> 00:05:20,737 because I represent something that is uncomfortable for them. 81 00:05:20,987 --> 00:05:22,155 It's called the truth. 82 00:05:22,488 --> 00:05:24,198 I tell the President exactly... 83 00:05:24,449 --> 00:05:26,326 -MALE VOICE: I don't doubt that. -...what the scientific data is 84 00:05:26,492 --> 00:05:27,952 and what the evidence is. 85 00:05:28,286 --> 00:05:30,538 Secretary of State Pompeo is extremely busy. 86 00:05:30,705 --> 00:05:32,915 I'd like him to go back to the State Department 87 00:05:33,041 --> 00:05:36,794 or, as they call it, the Deep State Department. You know, Mike. 88 00:05:36,919 --> 00:05:39,380 I'd like to have him go back and do his job. 89 00:05:39,464 --> 00:05:41,966 -So, does anybody have any questions? -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) 90 00:05:42,550 --> 00:05:47,263 I know I shouldn't be touching my face, but... (LAUGHING) 91 00:05:47,472 --> 00:05:50,600 I'm so good at my job. How can he be so bad at his? 92 00:05:50,767 --> 00:05:52,727 So the protests don't increase the spread of the virus? 93 00:05:52,810 --> 00:05:54,896 I didn't say that. You're putting words in my mouth. 94 00:05:55,063 --> 00:06:01,527 Is somebody born a craven partisan hack or do you become one? 95 00:06:02,528 --> 00:06:06,532 DR. FAUCI: I grew up in Bensonhurst, which was a somewhat tough neighborhood 96 00:06:06,616 --> 00:06:09,702 in Brooklyn. You know, everyone was striving. 97 00:06:09,994 --> 00:06:11,746 Nothing was taken for granted. 98 00:06:12,830 --> 00:06:16,250 There wasn't a lot of head hanging in those days, you know? 99 00:06:18,002 --> 00:06:20,922 Part of the culture back then when you were a kid 100 00:06:21,464 --> 00:06:24,217 is that you didn't get intimidated by a lot of things. 101 00:06:24,342 --> 00:06:27,011 Or, as we used to say, "You didn't take any shit from anybody." 102 00:06:27,261 --> 00:06:28,388 TRUMP: I don't want to hurt him. 103 00:06:28,471 --> 00:06:31,682 He's been there for about 350 years. I don't want to hurt him. 104 00:06:32,058 --> 00:06:34,268 SHROYER: Anthony Fauci, this fraud? 105 00:06:34,769 --> 00:06:37,730 This swamp creature? 106 00:06:38,231 --> 00:06:40,900 JOY REID: And who is now forced to go on his power walks 107 00:06:40,983 --> 00:06:44,195 with a security detail, because he's received death threats. 108 00:06:44,737 --> 00:06:50,326 DR. FAUCI: My job is to do whatever I can to get us out of this outbreak. 109 00:06:53,413 --> 00:06:58,918 My weapon, in addition to the science, is speaking to the American public. 110 00:07:02,296 --> 00:07:07,552 What keeps me grounded is the enormity of the problem. 111 00:07:09,178 --> 00:07:13,141 And just a very deep sense of responsibility... 112 00:07:14,350 --> 00:07:20,690 that calls for all of the things that I've been trained for, 113 00:07:20,857 --> 00:07:22,692 dating back to when I was going to school. 114 00:07:27,029 --> 00:07:32,577 In high school, I had this early cultivation of public service. 115 00:07:34,579 --> 00:07:39,333 Regis High School was driven by these guys 116 00:07:39,417 --> 00:07:42,044 in black cassocks called Jesuit Priests. 117 00:07:43,379 --> 00:07:46,215 The Jesuit philosophy is men for others. 118 00:07:47,383 --> 00:07:50,303 You think about what you can do for society 119 00:07:50,386 --> 00:07:51,971 and what you can do for other people. 120 00:07:53,055 --> 00:07:55,558 It's what drove me to go to medical school. 121 00:07:59,687 --> 00:08:04,567 There wasn't a minute that I really didn't treasure at Cornell Medical School. 122 00:08:05,735 --> 00:08:08,237 I loved clinical medicine. 123 00:08:09,030 --> 00:08:12,533 Every single cell in my body was, like, focused in this. 124 00:08:12,617 --> 00:08:17,121 It was the first time in my life that somebody's life is my responsibility. 125 00:08:20,416 --> 00:08:24,670 At the end of my junior year, it was the Vietnam War. 126 00:08:28,216 --> 00:08:32,053 And every physician is automatically drafted. 127 00:08:33,387 --> 00:08:37,892 But you had some choices. You could do public health service, 128 00:08:38,351 --> 00:08:40,394 Navy, Army or Air Force. 129 00:08:42,063 --> 00:08:45,149 So, I put in public health service first. 130 00:08:45,483 --> 00:08:49,362 Second I put Navy, then Army, and then Air Force. 131 00:08:50,321 --> 00:08:53,950 And, sure enough, I get a call from the National Institutes of Health. 132 00:08:55,368 --> 00:09:00,790 The NIH was and is really the mecca of biomedical research. 133 00:09:01,749 --> 00:09:05,419 MALE REPORTER: Here in the laboratories at NIH, much of the research is basic. 134 00:09:06,337 --> 00:09:10,132 Clinical medicine is practiced at NIH because it contributes to research 135 00:09:10,633 --> 00:09:13,511 rather than because of the patient's need for medical attention. 136 00:09:14,595 --> 00:09:16,180 DR. FAUCI: Virtually everyone 137 00:09:16,514 --> 00:09:19,559 who was anyone in academic medicine in this country... 138 00:09:19,934 --> 00:09:22,603 had spent some time here. 139 00:09:23,271 --> 00:09:27,567 And it was like entering into a magical world. 140 00:09:30,027 --> 00:09:31,696 When I first came down, 141 00:09:31,779 --> 00:09:33,823 what I really wanted to do was do three years, 142 00:09:33,906 --> 00:09:35,199 bingo, and go back to New York 143 00:09:35,366 --> 00:09:38,661 and become the Chief Resident at the New York Hospital. 144 00:09:39,579 --> 00:09:45,668 Back then, that was your ticket to a private practice on Park Avenue. 145 00:09:47,003 --> 00:09:49,422 You know, I was a kid from Brooklyn 146 00:09:49,964 --> 00:09:56,679 and Brooklyn to Manhattan is like New York State to Rome. (LAUGHS) 147 00:09:58,222 --> 00:10:02,184 But as I got to learn more about myself, the idea of discovery, 148 00:10:02,310 --> 00:10:05,229 the idea of having an impact on a lot more people... 149 00:10:06,022 --> 00:10:09,609 trying to figure out diseases that people were dying from, 150 00:10:09,692 --> 00:10:12,320 that's what really captured me. 151 00:10:13,904 --> 00:10:18,075 So, I became the Senior Investigator at the NIH. 152 00:10:22,747 --> 00:10:26,375 I met Tony very shortly after I came to the NIH. 153 00:10:29,545 --> 00:10:33,049 Tony was a Lab Chief at that point in time. 154 00:10:34,300 --> 00:10:38,971 He was a long-term single guy. Totally dedicated to work. 155 00:10:39,263 --> 00:10:42,350 He worked more hours than almost anybody I've ever known. 156 00:10:43,434 --> 00:10:46,020 My wife and I would sometimes tease Tony. 157 00:10:46,103 --> 00:10:49,649 because he had several female companions through the years. 158 00:10:52,193 --> 00:10:53,986 DR. FAUCI: I'd go on a date every once in a while, 159 00:10:54,111 --> 00:10:58,282 but I was completely buried in my work. 160 00:10:59,784 --> 00:11:02,328 CHRISTINE GRADY: I actually remember very vividly, 161 00:11:02,411 --> 00:11:04,455 and hearing this from other people as well, 162 00:11:04,538 --> 00:11:07,416 if you're working with one of Tony Fauci's patients, 163 00:11:07,500 --> 00:11:09,460 you'd better take good care of that patient 164 00:11:09,543 --> 00:11:11,962 because he will demand it of you. 165 00:11:13,047 --> 00:11:17,051 All of this discussion of vasculitis is merely academic. 166 00:11:17,176 --> 00:11:18,260 DR. FAUCI: At the time, 167 00:11:18,386 --> 00:11:23,474 I was focused on vasculitis which is an inflammation of blood vessels 168 00:11:23,557 --> 00:11:26,686 that leads to kidney failure, lung failure and things like that. 169 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:31,232 There was a patient who was a senator from Brazil. 170 00:11:31,357 --> 00:11:33,734 He didn't speak any English and I said, 171 00:11:33,818 --> 00:11:35,778 "Well, I can't have a conversation with this guy, 172 00:11:35,861 --> 00:11:37,571 so who speaks Portuguese around here?" 173 00:11:38,489 --> 00:11:42,451 So they called this nurse, this Christine Grady, 174 00:11:42,618 --> 00:11:44,620 into the room, um... 175 00:11:45,496 --> 00:11:48,582 and she stand by the bedside and I looked at her, I says, "Wow!" 176 00:11:48,666 --> 00:11:51,794 (LAUGHS) "Who's this?" 177 00:11:54,213 --> 00:11:56,298 CHRISTINE: I had just spent two years in Brazil 178 00:11:56,590 --> 00:11:58,426 and so my Portuguese was then pretty good. 179 00:11:59,176 --> 00:12:01,095 And we had this meeting in the patient's room 180 00:12:01,220 --> 00:12:04,181 and I said, "He would like to go home." 181 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,101 I said, "Okay. That's fine to do that, 182 00:12:07,476 --> 00:12:11,605 "but he's gotta understand, these ulcers are not completely healed. 183 00:12:11,814 --> 00:12:14,191 "He's gotta keep his legs elevated 184 00:12:14,483 --> 00:12:17,069 and he's gotta change the dressings frequently." 185 00:12:17,695 --> 00:12:20,406 So, he speaks Portuguese back. (MUMBLES) 186 00:12:20,489 --> 00:12:22,408 I'm, sort of, sitting there waiting to hear. 187 00:12:22,658 --> 00:12:26,787 The patient said to me... (SCOFFS) "There's no way I'm going to do that. 188 00:12:27,371 --> 00:12:32,168 I'm going to go to the beach every day." He lived on the beach, near the beach. 189 00:12:32,334 --> 00:12:36,046 "And I'm going to go dancing at night. I've been in the hospital for months 190 00:12:36,213 --> 00:12:38,758 and you expect me to go home and sit with my leg in the air?" 191 00:12:39,049 --> 00:12:43,429 And I, sort of, gulped and thought, what the heck am I going to do now? 192 00:12:43,512 --> 00:12:45,431 She turned to me and looked at me 193 00:12:45,556 --> 00:12:49,226 and said, "He said he's gonna do exactly like you said." 194 00:12:49,769 --> 00:12:51,353 I said, "Good. You can go." 195 00:12:54,899 --> 00:12:58,903 CHRISTINE: A day later, I saw Dr. Fauci in the hallway, 196 00:12:59,153 --> 00:13:01,655 who said to me, "I'd like to see you in my office." 197 00:13:02,198 --> 00:13:06,535 And I was certain that I was caught 198 00:13:06,619 --> 00:13:10,372 and going to be either reprimanded or fired. 199 00:13:11,123 --> 00:13:14,293 So, she comes into the office with a great deal of trepidation. 200 00:13:14,502 --> 00:13:18,172 She sits down and I look at her and I say, 201 00:13:18,380 --> 00:13:20,341 "Would you like to go to dinner?" (LAUGHS) 202 00:13:23,427 --> 00:13:25,679 So, that was the beginning. 203 00:13:33,813 --> 00:13:36,398 DR. FAUCI: When we got to know each other really well, she says, 204 00:13:36,482 --> 00:13:40,277 "You know, remember that conversation that we had in the room? 205 00:13:40,402 --> 00:13:43,948 Well, I actually told you a white lie." (LAUGHS) 206 00:13:46,909 --> 00:13:51,163 CHRISTINE: I think Tony came to the NIH young and ambitious 207 00:13:51,288 --> 00:13:54,750 and looking for a challenge, I think, and found it. 208 00:14:05,219 --> 00:14:10,057 DR. FAUCI: I was sitting in my office and I saw this... article... 209 00:14:10,516 --> 00:14:14,645 in a publication called MMWR. 210 00:14:14,895 --> 00:14:21,360 Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. And it reported five men... 211 00:14:21,819 --> 00:14:28,325 curiously all gay men, who developed a very strange pneumonia 212 00:14:28,701 --> 00:14:30,578 called pneumocystis pneumonia. 213 00:14:30,828 --> 00:14:34,790 And, being a busy young investigator at the time, 214 00:14:35,082 --> 00:14:39,295 I took it, I put it in my desk and I said, "This must be a fluke. 215 00:14:39,420 --> 00:14:40,713 It's gonna go away." 216 00:14:42,423 --> 00:14:47,261 One month later, another MMWR appears. 217 00:14:48,012 --> 00:14:52,349 This time, 26 gay men... 218 00:14:53,017 --> 00:14:56,437 who not only had pneumocystis pneumonia, 219 00:14:56,979 --> 00:15:01,817 but had Kaposi's sarcoma, a tumor, a cancer, 220 00:15:02,610 --> 00:15:06,947 seen in people whose immune system is remarkably suppressed. 221 00:15:07,239 --> 00:15:12,453 And I remember looking at that and going, "Oh, my God. 222 00:15:12,995 --> 00:15:16,123 "There's no way that this is a fluke. 223 00:15:16,999 --> 00:15:19,335 This is a brand new disease." 224 00:15:21,462 --> 00:15:22,922 I actually got goosebumps. 225 00:15:24,590 --> 00:15:28,636 So, I made a decision that I was going to completely change 226 00:15:28,761 --> 00:15:30,179 the direction of my research. 227 00:15:32,848 --> 00:15:36,894 CHRISTINE: He had lots of critics on the NIH campus. 228 00:15:38,187 --> 00:15:42,942 They thought he was making a mistake. That he was taking on a disease 229 00:15:43,108 --> 00:15:45,486 in an area of science that was going nowhere 230 00:15:45,611 --> 00:15:48,197 and that he was gonna ruin his career basically. 231 00:15:49,281 --> 00:15:52,576 DR. FAUCI: So, I wrote an article in 1981... 232 00:15:53,494 --> 00:15:59,416 saying that if we think this disease is gonna stay confined 233 00:15:59,959 --> 00:16:02,544 to a very discreet group of people, 234 00:16:02,878 --> 00:16:06,048 that it's not gonna explode, we're kidding ourselves. 235 00:16:06,507 --> 00:16:08,384 I submitted it to a major journal. 236 00:16:09,093 --> 00:16:12,262 They rejected it because one of the reviewers said 237 00:16:12,346 --> 00:16:14,014 I was being too alarmist. 238 00:16:15,432 --> 00:16:19,269 CHRISTINE: So right away, he had to fight... Not fight but push back on, 239 00:16:19,436 --> 00:16:21,146 you know, people who said, "But wait a minute, 240 00:16:21,271 --> 00:16:25,567 you can't put money into this and take it away from other things." 241 00:16:25,734 --> 00:16:27,194 And he said, "But we have to, 242 00:16:27,277 --> 00:16:29,196 because we have to learn about this disease." 243 00:16:29,989 --> 00:16:32,574 DR. FAUCI: I recruited young people to work with me. 244 00:16:32,908 --> 00:16:36,829 Henry Masur, who was on the junior faculty at Cornell, 245 00:16:37,162 --> 00:16:39,707 Cliff Lane had just finished his fellowship 246 00:16:40,249 --> 00:16:45,337 and the three of us became the Three Musketeers of HIV 247 00:16:45,421 --> 00:16:46,588 here at NIH. 248 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:52,011 Our focus at the time was the adult human immune system. 249 00:16:52,094 --> 00:16:54,763 There weren't a lot of groups that had that as a focus. 250 00:16:54,972 --> 00:16:57,057 You just knew you had to do something. 251 00:16:57,224 --> 00:16:58,892 Because you thought you could do something. 252 00:16:59,018 --> 00:17:03,897 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 253 00:17:04,023 --> 00:17:06,692 TOM BROKAW: Scientists at the National Center For Disease Control 254 00:17:06,817 --> 00:17:09,445 in Atlanta today released the results of a study 255 00:17:09,570 --> 00:17:13,240 which shows that the lifestyle of some male homosexuals 256 00:17:13,449 --> 00:17:16,493 has triggered an epidemic of a rare form of cancer. 257 00:17:16,618 --> 00:17:19,246 ROBERT BAZELL: Researchers know of 413 people 258 00:17:19,371 --> 00:17:21,790 who have contracted the condition in the past year. 259 00:17:22,082 --> 00:17:24,710 One third have died and none have been cured. 260 00:17:24,918 --> 00:17:26,837 How many friends have you lost to this disease? 261 00:17:26,962 --> 00:17:28,005 Twenty. 262 00:17:28,088 --> 00:17:29,173 -JANE PAULEY: Twenty? -Yes. 263 00:17:29,256 --> 00:17:31,383 JANE: And you have still more friends who are sick? 264 00:17:31,467 --> 00:17:32,509 Very ill. 265 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:36,180 Jane, can you imagine what it must be like if you had lost 20 of your friends 266 00:17:36,263 --> 00:17:38,307 -in the last 18 months? -JANE: No. 267 00:17:38,432 --> 00:17:42,061 -And you don't know why? -No cause, no cure. 268 00:17:42,269 --> 00:17:44,063 BAZELL: Investigators have examined the habits 269 00:17:44,188 --> 00:17:45,731 of homosexuals for clues. 270 00:17:45,856 --> 00:17:49,526 That I was in the fast lane at one time in terms of the way that I lived my life 271 00:17:49,651 --> 00:17:50,778 and now I'm not. 272 00:17:50,861 --> 00:17:53,197 A-I-D-S. AIDS. 273 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,532 The most frightening initials in America today. 274 00:17:55,783 --> 00:17:58,577 A medical mystery that destroys the immune system 275 00:17:58,911 --> 00:18:03,123 and leaves our bodies defenseless against unusual and deadly infections. 276 00:18:04,708 --> 00:18:06,794 MALE VOICE 1: I was going out and meeting people, 277 00:18:06,919 --> 00:18:07,961 trying to find a lover. 278 00:18:08,087 --> 00:18:10,798 I didn't know that, you know, that there were things out there 279 00:18:10,881 --> 00:18:14,551 so secretly hidden that it was gonna destroy my life. 280 00:18:20,099 --> 00:18:23,769 DR. FAUCI: I had been trained as an infectious disease doc... 281 00:18:24,353 --> 00:18:25,771 and as an immunologist. 282 00:18:26,063 --> 00:18:29,983 If ever there was a disease that I was made for... 283 00:18:30,859 --> 00:18:32,194 it's this disease. 284 00:18:34,321 --> 00:18:36,990 DAVID HARTMAN: Dr. Fauci, can you tell us what do we know? 285 00:18:37,074 --> 00:18:38,367 What are the best clues you've got? 286 00:18:38,492 --> 00:18:40,911 DR. FAUCI: We do have some clues that it may be a viral agent 287 00:18:41,036 --> 00:18:44,915 that is likely infecting immune cells that are necessary to fight 288 00:18:45,082 --> 00:18:46,291 certain types of infections... 289 00:18:46,375 --> 00:18:52,256 We didn't know what it was. We strongly suspected it was a virus. 290 00:18:52,506 --> 00:18:57,678 There is, right now at the present time, no known cure for AIDS. 291 00:18:57,761 --> 00:19:01,390 We don't even know what the agent is, much less how to cure it. 292 00:19:01,765 --> 00:19:03,725 GERALDO RIVERA: Like ink spreading on a blotter, 293 00:19:03,809 --> 00:19:07,146 AIDS has now been identified in over 35 states 294 00:19:07,271 --> 00:19:09,064 and 16 foreign countries. 295 00:19:09,398 --> 00:19:12,442 DR. FAUCI: It was an evolving picture... 296 00:19:13,318 --> 00:19:15,154 rapidly and frighteningly. 297 00:19:16,113 --> 00:19:18,073 MALE REPORTER: For the first time North America, 298 00:19:18,407 --> 00:19:21,493 the world's leading experts on sexually transmitted diseases 299 00:19:21,577 --> 00:19:23,996 meet to share the latest research data. 300 00:19:24,329 --> 00:19:28,167 From the National Institutes of Health, Dr. Anthony Fauci, 301 00:19:28,417 --> 00:19:32,129 who directs the research on how AIDS affects the body's immune system. 302 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:36,800 From what we know now, once you get the underlying immune defect, 303 00:19:37,009 --> 00:19:40,512 you do not recover from it, which is a very, very important thing. 304 00:19:40,679 --> 00:19:43,348 FRANK SESNO: A small army of dedicated medical warriors 305 00:19:43,432 --> 00:19:45,142 is trying to combat this killer. 306 00:19:45,559 --> 00:19:48,770 In the laboratories, researchers are scrambling for a cure. 307 00:19:48,937 --> 00:19:51,231 In the hospitals and doctors' offices, 308 00:19:51,398 --> 00:19:53,901 the front line soldiers face a losing battle 309 00:19:54,067 --> 00:19:57,196 and must content themselves with the little victories for now. 310 00:19:58,906 --> 00:20:01,033 DR. FAUCI: You know, every once in a while when you're involved 311 00:20:01,116 --> 00:20:03,160 in a difficult situation you get bad news, 312 00:20:03,285 --> 00:20:06,288 bad news and then sometimes encouraging news comes along 313 00:20:06,413 --> 00:20:07,497 to make you feel a little better. 314 00:20:07,581 --> 00:20:10,584 It was all bad, bad, worse, bad, worse, bad, worse. 315 00:20:13,253 --> 00:20:17,341 It was just so unbelievably... frustrating 316 00:20:17,883 --> 00:20:21,887 when you're used to... being able to fix things 317 00:20:22,387 --> 00:20:25,057 and you're just not really fixing anything. 318 00:20:26,725 --> 00:20:30,479 CHRISTINE: It is very difficult to work with young people who you care for, 319 00:20:30,646 --> 00:20:34,775 become quite attached to and in some cases even identify with 320 00:20:34,858 --> 00:20:38,820 and to watch them overtime get sicker and die. 321 00:20:39,363 --> 00:20:43,867 It is not just one patient, but one after another after another. 322 00:20:43,951 --> 00:20:48,705 And I had had jobs prior to this one where people were very sick 323 00:20:49,164 --> 00:20:53,502 and many of my patients had died, but this was different... 324 00:20:55,379 --> 00:20:59,800 because everybody was, sort of, at the prime of their life. 325 00:21:03,303 --> 00:21:07,140 Back then, when you got sick you were gone fast. 326 00:21:08,308 --> 00:21:11,186 Seven, eight, nine months and it was horrible deaths. 327 00:21:14,815 --> 00:21:17,526 It was a time when all of us were very scared 328 00:21:17,693 --> 00:21:20,862 and there was very little that we could do. 329 00:21:22,906 --> 00:21:28,453 I found out in late '85, November 1985... 330 00:21:29,288 --> 00:21:30,414 I was 24. 331 00:21:30,998 --> 00:21:33,458 I didn't know anything about the politics of AIDS. 332 00:21:33,583 --> 00:21:37,337 I just knew that it was all of a sudden this terrible scare story 333 00:21:37,462 --> 00:21:42,134 and the country was in a panic about it and that it was 100 percent fatal. 334 00:21:43,093 --> 00:21:45,887 ROBERT VAZQUEZ PACHECO: I was living in the Bronx 335 00:21:45,971 --> 00:21:51,268 with my lover Jeff, who was diagnosed with Kaposi's sarcoma. 336 00:21:51,810 --> 00:21:55,355 For me, the AIDS epidemic started then. 337 00:21:56,398 --> 00:22:00,610 MICHAEL MANGANIELLO: I went to my doctor and the minute he put the needle in my arm 338 00:22:00,736 --> 00:22:04,281 I knew I was positive, I knew it. And then I avoided his calls. 339 00:22:04,406 --> 00:22:07,784 For three and a half weeks, I was able to avoid his calls... 340 00:22:08,410 --> 00:22:12,414 and then he found me and he said that I was HIV positive. 341 00:22:12,664 --> 00:22:16,043 I said, "Well, what's the prognosis or..." 342 00:22:16,918 --> 00:22:18,628 He said, "18 months." 343 00:22:20,422 --> 00:22:22,215 Breathe in and out with your mouth open. 344 00:22:23,175 --> 00:22:26,887 DR. FAUCI: You know, one of my patients who had cytomegalovirus retinitis. 345 00:22:27,346 --> 00:22:31,141 Cytomegalovirus is a virus that chews up the retina. 346 00:22:32,434 --> 00:22:35,270 And he was gradually losing vision. 347 00:22:36,271 --> 00:22:38,648 He would walk in, he'd say, "Dr. Fauci, how are you?" 348 00:22:38,815 --> 00:22:40,609 He was always upbeat. He'd walk in. 349 00:22:40,817 --> 00:22:42,861 I would smile. You know, he'd make comments, 350 00:22:42,986 --> 00:22:45,030 "I love your smile. You have a great smile." 351 00:22:45,322 --> 00:22:48,158 And I'd go in every day and morning, afternoon, evening 352 00:22:48,241 --> 00:22:50,160 and then, one day, 353 00:22:50,369 --> 00:22:54,081 we walked in in the morning and I walked in and went up to the desk 354 00:22:54,164 --> 00:22:56,041 and he said, "Who's there?" 355 00:22:56,583 --> 00:23:01,797 And it was clear, you know, that he gone completely blind. 356 00:23:02,005 --> 00:23:03,590 And it was like... (GRUNTS) 357 00:23:04,257 --> 00:23:08,845 And we were standing around the bed saying, "Now what?" you know? 358 00:23:09,012 --> 00:23:12,432 And it was... it was terrible, because he lost his vision completely. 359 00:23:12,808 --> 00:23:13,975 Yeah. 360 00:23:14,434 --> 00:23:15,685 INTERVIEWER: It's affecting you now. 361 00:23:15,936 --> 00:23:17,479 -Yeah. -INTERVIEWER: Why? 362 00:23:20,607 --> 00:23:22,275 (CRIES) 363 00:23:28,532 --> 00:23:32,202 (SNIFFS) Uh, post-traumatic stress syndrome. 364 00:23:41,420 --> 00:23:42,546 That's what it is. 365 00:23:44,089 --> 00:23:50,220 (SOFT MELANCHOLIC MUSIC PLAYING) 366 00:23:51,847 --> 00:23:55,225 JENNY FAUCI: My early understanding of what my dad was doing was... 367 00:23:55,767 --> 00:23:58,353 there's something happening that's affecting people, 368 00:23:58,437 --> 00:24:00,272 that's hurting people, that's killing people. 369 00:24:01,648 --> 00:24:05,902 When I think about my dad growing up, I certainly think about that seriousness, 370 00:24:05,986 --> 00:24:10,365 that intensity and working hard and wanting to do the right thing. 371 00:24:10,907 --> 00:24:12,117 That's his compass. 372 00:24:13,577 --> 00:24:18,415 At the same time, I also think about a person that I think 373 00:24:18,540 --> 00:24:20,750 very few people get to see. (LAUGHS) 374 00:24:21,126 --> 00:24:24,629 Which is someone who is funny 375 00:24:24,713 --> 00:24:27,424 and weird and really playful. 376 00:24:28,133 --> 00:24:32,220 This is a record for the month of July, 1988. 377 00:24:32,387 --> 00:24:34,598 We've been over 100, so how many days in a row? 378 00:24:35,056 --> 00:24:36,308 -Several. -CHRISTINE: Too many. 379 00:24:36,975 --> 00:24:40,187 Well, we're just sitting here hanging out by the pool on a Sunday... 380 00:24:41,813 --> 00:24:42,939 Sunday morning. 381 00:24:44,107 --> 00:24:46,151 CHRISTINE: Jenny and Daddy are gonna go swimming! 382 00:24:46,234 --> 00:24:47,819 Are you gonna go swimming? Are you gonna show everybody 383 00:24:47,944 --> 00:24:49,779 how you could stay up straight in the water? 384 00:24:50,739 --> 00:24:53,408 -Show Mommy. -CHRISTINE: Come on. 385 00:24:54,534 --> 00:24:57,412 Yeah. You've got water in your eye? 386 00:24:57,537 --> 00:25:03,376 DR. FAUCI: When Chris and I were knee deep in responding to this historic pandemic. 387 00:25:03,919 --> 00:25:07,756 We wanted to and did raise a family. 388 00:25:08,381 --> 00:25:09,966 -Now you've got us all? -NAN: Yeah. 389 00:25:10,133 --> 00:25:11,551 -Okay, Nan. -(LAUGHS) 390 00:25:12,260 --> 00:25:13,970 -Here we are. -Here we are. 391 00:25:14,346 --> 00:25:17,432 Here's Jenny and her baby sister. Jennifer, Mommy, and Daddy. 392 00:25:17,557 --> 00:25:19,100 Jennifer and her baby sister Megan. 393 00:25:19,184 --> 00:25:20,352 DR. FAUCI: Hi, Megan. 394 00:25:20,435 --> 00:25:22,229 -Oh, don't you look pretty! -CHRISTINE: Look, it's coming off. 395 00:25:22,312 --> 00:25:27,400 DR. FAUCI: It's March 30th, 1989... 396 00:25:28,401 --> 00:25:30,487 and Megan is getting herself a bath. 397 00:25:31,404 --> 00:25:34,157 DR. FAUCI: Jenny first and Megan, then Alison. 398 00:25:34,407 --> 00:25:36,535 -Hi, Momma. -CHRISTINE: Are you the audience with me? 399 00:25:36,660 --> 00:25:37,661 Yes. 400 00:25:37,744 --> 00:25:39,788 -CHRISTINE: Merry Christmas. -(SCREAMS) 401 00:25:39,913 --> 00:25:42,374 CHRISTINE: (LAUGHS) Whoa, don't fall! 402 00:25:42,499 --> 00:25:43,708 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 403 00:25:43,875 --> 00:25:46,628 January seventh, the blizzard of 1996. 404 00:25:46,711 --> 00:25:49,714 Probably the largest snow storm in the history of Washington, D.C... 405 00:25:49,965 --> 00:25:53,301 A foot. It's a foot and it's gonna be two feet. 406 00:25:55,262 --> 00:25:58,807 When our children were little, he used to work all the time. 407 00:25:59,391 --> 00:26:02,561 And there were times when they wouldn't see him 408 00:26:02,727 --> 00:26:04,604 for a couple of days sometimes. 409 00:26:05,855 --> 00:26:08,525 DR. FAUCI: I wouldn't say I neglected the raising of the children, 410 00:26:08,650 --> 00:26:13,780 but I did not sacrifice professional things... 411 00:26:14,781 --> 00:26:16,324 as much as maybe I should have. 412 00:26:16,616 --> 00:26:17,742 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 413 00:26:17,826 --> 00:26:21,871 DR. FAUCI: I was not going to every soccer match, 414 00:26:21,955 --> 00:26:25,792 every track meet, every swim meet. 415 00:26:26,585 --> 00:26:28,587 -Yes. -CHRISTINE: Whoo! Yeah. 416 00:26:29,504 --> 00:26:31,548 DR. FAUCI: Chris did everything. 417 00:26:32,882 --> 00:26:37,512 But we did something that I think physically is a little unhealthy, 418 00:26:37,846 --> 00:26:41,224 I don't recommend it for people, but it worked. 419 00:26:41,725 --> 00:26:43,977 We decided that we were gonna have dinner... 420 00:26:44,853 --> 00:26:49,149 together every night no matter how late the dinner was. 421 00:26:51,151 --> 00:26:55,405 JENNY: He would come home from like a 12 or 13-hour day of work 422 00:26:55,655 --> 00:26:59,117 and he would come in the kitchen and start dancing with my mom. 423 00:26:59,367 --> 00:27:03,872 I'm like, "Dad, we want to eat dinner. Please come and sit down." 424 00:27:05,665 --> 00:27:10,712 But we understood that when he's working, which is all of the time, 425 00:27:10,795 --> 00:27:13,340 he's laser focused. 426 00:27:17,177 --> 00:27:19,012 DR. FAUCI: Rather than name each and every one of these, 427 00:27:19,095 --> 00:27:21,306 why don't I just talk about asthma analogy, 428 00:27:21,431 --> 00:27:25,977 I'll mention transportation, autoimmunity, vaccine developments, skip cancer, 429 00:27:26,102 --> 00:27:28,271 go to immune mediated disease and then end up with AIDS. 430 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,400 PETER THOMAS: AIDS brings a new level of pressure and public attention to NIH, 431 00:27:32,651 --> 00:27:34,569 and especially to Dr. Fauci, 432 00:27:34,694 --> 00:27:38,031 who already manages three full time jobs at NIH. 433 00:27:38,114 --> 00:27:41,451 Administrator, physician, research scientist. 434 00:27:41,701 --> 00:27:44,162 Pardon my eating, I'm having my lunch before the hearing, 435 00:27:44,245 --> 00:27:46,665 so if I'm eating in your ear, don't worry. 436 00:27:46,748 --> 00:27:49,250 We don't have the answer. We're trying to get the answer, 437 00:27:49,376 --> 00:27:52,796 but we're letting the science take us where it's taking us. 438 00:27:53,088 --> 00:27:54,589 Researchers believe that they have made 439 00:27:54,673 --> 00:27:57,300 a monumental breakthrough in the fight against AIDS. 440 00:27:57,384 --> 00:28:00,512 The deadly disease that attacks the body's immune system. 441 00:28:00,804 --> 00:28:03,098 US Government scientists announced in Washington today, 442 00:28:03,181 --> 00:28:06,184 they have isolated a virus they believe causes AIDS. 443 00:28:06,309 --> 00:28:09,354 The breakthrough came at the National Institutes of Health, 444 00:28:09,521 --> 00:28:12,107 where a way was found to mass produce the AIDS virus, 445 00:28:12,524 --> 00:28:15,735 study it and most importantly, to test blood for it. 446 00:28:16,236 --> 00:28:18,655 -REPORTER: Fauci? -DR. FAUCI: F-A-U-C-I. 447 00:28:18,822 --> 00:28:22,742 DR. FAUCI: We found that we had a virus. It was really quite transforming. 448 00:28:23,118 --> 00:28:25,829 Now I have it in my hand, I know what the hell it is. 449 00:28:25,995 --> 00:28:29,624 You know, I have it in a test tube. It's not like this thing 450 00:28:29,708 --> 00:28:31,793 that's floating around that we have no idea what it is. 451 00:28:33,545 --> 00:28:35,630 (SOFT MUSIC PLAYING) 452 00:28:36,214 --> 00:28:39,843 (ABULANCE SIREN WAILING) 453 00:28:43,054 --> 00:28:48,518 There is an inherent fear... built into viruses. 454 00:28:49,561 --> 00:28:51,104 MIGUEL ALMAGUER: The lives of millions of Americans 455 00:28:51,271 --> 00:28:54,441 are being severely disrupted by the coronavirus pandemic. 456 00:28:54,899 --> 00:28:58,945 Schools, work, even iconic institutions like Broadway and Disneyworld 457 00:28:59,028 --> 00:29:00,905 are shut down. Experts say... 458 00:29:01,531 --> 00:29:04,242 When we hear about one that is taking off... 459 00:29:04,784 --> 00:29:07,287 it really rings all of the alarm bells. 460 00:29:09,247 --> 00:29:11,291 DR. FAUCI: Seeing a vibrant city like New York 461 00:29:11,583 --> 00:29:17,005 resembling a bit of a ghost town was a moving... feeling for me. 462 00:29:17,088 --> 00:29:18,923 -Very emotional... -(AMBULANCE SIREN WAILING) 463 00:29:19,048 --> 00:29:22,927 ...because, you know, I grew up as a kid roaming around Manhattan. 464 00:29:23,011 --> 00:29:26,097 And to see it empty was just very, very shocking 465 00:29:26,181 --> 00:29:27,182 in many respects. 466 00:29:28,099 --> 00:29:30,185 But community spread was rampant 467 00:29:30,518 --> 00:29:33,563 and we had to make a decision to shut everything down. 468 00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:35,774 GABE GUTIERREZ: The tri-state region now topping 469 00:29:35,857 --> 00:29:40,820 90,000 confirmed cases of COVID-19 and more than 1,500 deaths. 470 00:29:40,945 --> 00:29:43,698 JOHN BERMAN: Hospitals are reeling with New York City's mayor, 471 00:29:43,907 --> 00:29:46,659 warning they will run out of supplies by this weekend. 472 00:29:49,913 --> 00:29:51,498 DR. FAUCI: Okay. VRC. 473 00:29:51,873 --> 00:29:52,874 MALE VOICE: Sure. 474 00:29:56,211 --> 00:29:57,796 DR. FAUCI: As soon as we heard 475 00:29:58,379 --> 00:30:02,675 that in Wuhan these cases apparently appeared, 476 00:30:02,926 --> 00:30:06,262 we had no idea if it was gonna turn out to be bad. 477 00:30:06,346 --> 00:30:10,892 We just knew it is conceivable that this could turn out to be a pandemic. 478 00:30:11,893 --> 00:30:15,438 My group here in the Vaccine Research Center said... 479 00:30:16,439 --> 00:30:20,318 "As soon as we get a sequence, let's go for it." 480 00:30:21,277 --> 00:30:23,404 The sequence came out, I believe, on the ninth. 481 00:30:23,530 --> 00:30:25,949 We had the meeting on the tenth. By the time we got to the 15th, 482 00:30:26,199 --> 00:30:28,284 we were already in the process of making it 483 00:30:28,368 --> 00:30:32,247 and then 63, 65 days later, we were in a phase one trial. 484 00:30:32,413 --> 00:30:36,626 Scientists all across the world are now racing to find a vaccine 485 00:30:36,751 --> 00:30:39,254 that can help combat the coronavirus in the future. 486 00:30:39,337 --> 00:30:41,089 DAVID SPUNT: The National Institutes of Health 487 00:30:41,172 --> 00:30:42,799 and a Massachusetts company Moderna 488 00:30:42,882 --> 00:30:45,260 are behind the record speed clinical trials. 489 00:30:45,426 --> 00:30:47,554 We've been hearing a lot about the Moderna vaccine, 490 00:30:47,637 --> 00:30:49,055 that's an mRNA vaccine. 491 00:30:49,138 --> 00:30:50,807 ALISYN: This is different from other vaccines. 492 00:30:50,890 --> 00:30:54,018 It uses mRNA to basically teach the body how to fight the virus. 493 00:30:54,102 --> 00:30:57,355 But never before have we seen a successful mRNA vaccine. 494 00:30:57,856 --> 00:30:59,983 When we were confronted with this virus, 495 00:31:00,316 --> 00:31:04,153 there are a lot of very smart people at the NIH who put their heads together 496 00:31:04,487 --> 00:31:08,157 and realized that mRNA vaccines could be a real option. 497 00:31:08,241 --> 00:31:11,995 SANJAY GUPTA: If it works, it's a potentially safer and faster path. 498 00:31:12,370 --> 00:31:16,040 Shortening the development process from decades to years. 499 00:31:16,124 --> 00:31:19,627 Even though we didn't all know about it, there was a lot of research being done 500 00:31:19,711 --> 00:31:24,090 for many, many years with the NIH towards making mRNA vaccines. 501 00:31:24,632 --> 00:31:26,968 -DR. FAUCI: I think it's gonna work. -MALE VOICE: I do too. 502 00:31:27,051 --> 00:31:28,219 I mean, I really do. 503 00:31:29,345 --> 00:31:33,349 We had been priming the pump for years before 504 00:31:33,683 --> 00:31:36,936 with the platform technology, in this case mRNA. 505 00:31:37,395 --> 00:31:41,232 So, as soon as we found out that we were dealing with a brand new virus, 506 00:31:41,399 --> 00:31:46,988 we said, "This what we do. We make vaccines. Let's do it." 507 00:31:47,071 --> 00:31:50,575 This is a very exciting technology at the mRNA vaccines 508 00:31:50,867 --> 00:31:52,118 and it's extremely exciting, 509 00:31:52,201 --> 00:31:54,787 but I don't believe a single one of them has ever reached market. 510 00:31:56,497 --> 00:31:58,458 APOORVA MANDAVILLI: It's incredibly impressive 511 00:31:58,583 --> 00:32:01,711 that they made that call, because it's a bold one. 512 00:32:02,128 --> 00:32:06,382 It took some amount of courage to move forward with something 513 00:32:06,466 --> 00:32:08,551 that you know isn't an absolute certainty. 514 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,720 I talked to Tony Fauci yesterday, 515 00:32:10,803 --> 00:32:13,306 the Head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. 516 00:32:13,473 --> 00:32:16,309 A vaccine is in the works, but it's a couple of years away. 517 00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:19,729 The fastest we had ever developed a vaccine before that was for mumps 518 00:32:19,812 --> 00:32:20,855 and that took four years. 519 00:32:20,939 --> 00:32:22,732 And so, we're able to move very, very fast, 520 00:32:22,857 --> 00:32:26,235 so as soon as we get the phase one dose out of the NIH, 521 00:32:26,527 --> 00:32:28,196 we'll be able to start phase two right away. 522 00:32:28,446 --> 00:32:31,157 You're talking over the next few months you think you could have a vaccine? 523 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:32,992 -Correct. -With phase two. 524 00:32:33,701 --> 00:32:37,330 Yeah. You won't have a vaccine. You'll have a vaccine to go into testing. 525 00:32:37,538 --> 00:32:38,581 MALE VOICE: Testing, yes. 526 00:32:39,248 --> 00:32:42,418 Well, you have the greatest companies in the world sitting around the table. 527 00:32:42,502 --> 00:32:45,838 I mean, Johnson & Johnson and Pfizer and all of the companies. Gilead. 528 00:32:46,214 --> 00:32:49,217 Uh, you have all of these great companies and that's what they're saying, 529 00:32:49,384 --> 00:32:50,802 so I think that... 530 00:32:51,052 --> 00:32:53,846 DR. FAUCI: Would you make sure you get the President the information 531 00:32:53,930 --> 00:32:57,850 that a vaccine that you make and start testing in a year 532 00:32:57,934 --> 00:32:59,811 is not a vaccine that's deployable. 533 00:33:00,061 --> 00:33:03,481 So, he's asking the question "When is it gonna be deployable?" 534 00:33:03,815 --> 00:33:07,610 and that is gonna be, at the earliest, a year to a year and half, 535 00:33:07,694 --> 00:33:09,320 no matter how fast you go. 536 00:33:09,654 --> 00:33:13,408 I met with the President and with Tony and a few others in the room 537 00:33:13,491 --> 00:33:14,575 on a couple of occasions. 538 00:33:15,702 --> 00:33:19,789 Oftentimes it was Tony who was seen as the main proponent 539 00:33:19,872 --> 00:33:21,374 of the unpopular view. 540 00:33:21,457 --> 00:33:25,211 You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that would have an impact 541 00:33:25,294 --> 00:33:27,171 or much of an impact on corona? 542 00:33:27,338 --> 00:33:28,923 DR. FAUCI: No, no. Probably not. 543 00:33:29,966 --> 00:33:33,177 INTERVIEWER: Can you talk about your early meetings 544 00:33:33,261 --> 00:33:36,347 with the President and your impressions of him? 545 00:33:36,597 --> 00:33:38,141 Is that something that you're willing to share? 546 00:33:38,808 --> 00:33:39,809 Yikes! 547 00:33:41,561 --> 00:33:44,022 How deep do you want to get? (LAUGHS) 548 00:33:44,313 --> 00:33:49,193 (SOFT MUSIC PLAYING) 549 00:33:49,861 --> 00:33:54,699 DR. FAUCI: We had task force meetings very regularly. 550 00:33:54,907 --> 00:33:58,619 First, a few times a week and then, almost literally every single day. 551 00:33:59,996 --> 00:34:03,207 MALE REPORTER: We're live now at the White House in the briefing room, 552 00:34:03,332 --> 00:34:06,085 where moments from now President Trump will hold a news conference 553 00:34:06,252 --> 00:34:08,504 talking about his administration's response 554 00:34:08,588 --> 00:34:10,506 to the coronavirus outbreak. 555 00:34:10,590 --> 00:34:12,675 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 556 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:17,805 DR. FAUCI: We had press conferences that were a hybrid of a press conference. 557 00:34:17,930 --> 00:34:21,017 It wasn't totally dominated by the scientists. 558 00:34:21,601 --> 00:34:22,685 Thank you very much. 559 00:34:22,769 --> 00:34:25,229 DR. FAUCI: The President would get up with his style 560 00:34:25,772 --> 00:34:29,484 and... for reasons that none of us could understand, 561 00:34:29,567 --> 00:34:33,029 it was always confronting the press. 562 00:34:33,196 --> 00:34:36,449 What do you say to Americans who are watching right now who are scared? 563 00:34:36,657 --> 00:34:40,453 I say that you're a terrible reporter. That's what I say. Go ahead. 564 00:34:40,661 --> 00:34:42,789 DR. FAUCI: Because of that, the public health messages 565 00:34:43,122 --> 00:34:44,582 got a bit muddled. 566 00:34:45,249 --> 00:34:48,961 The President might get up, and out of nowhere, say something 567 00:34:49,420 --> 00:34:51,881 that we would all go, "What's that all about?" 568 00:34:51,964 --> 00:34:54,634 JAKE TAPPER: President Trump's been touting an anti-malaria drug 569 00:34:54,717 --> 00:34:56,719 that he says could help treat the coronavirus. 570 00:34:56,803 --> 00:34:59,055 So, how beneficial is hydroxychloroquine? 571 00:34:59,180 --> 00:35:02,725 My next guest says doctors are already using this treatment 572 00:35:02,809 --> 00:35:04,519 in the United States successfully. 573 00:35:04,602 --> 00:35:09,023 For me, I'm absolutely convinced this is what saved my life. 574 00:35:09,107 --> 00:35:12,819 It was the typical example that we scientists shudder at. 575 00:35:12,985 --> 00:35:18,366 Joe Jones tells you that I did this and I got better, therefore, it works. 576 00:35:18,991 --> 00:35:22,537 And it was very clear that there was no evidence whatsoever 577 00:35:22,787 --> 00:35:25,623 that hydroxychloroquine... worked. 578 00:35:26,207 --> 00:35:29,043 And that's when things got complicated. 579 00:35:29,210 --> 00:35:30,086 Yes, John. 580 00:35:30,461 --> 00:35:33,047 JOHN ROBERTS: A question for Dr. Fauci, if I could. 581 00:35:33,172 --> 00:35:36,717 Dr. Fauci, it was explained yesterday there has been some promise 582 00:35:36,801 --> 00:35:38,344 with hydroxychloroquine, 583 00:35:38,427 --> 00:35:41,806 this potential therapy for people who are infected with coronavirus. 584 00:35:42,098 --> 00:35:45,518 Is there any evidence to suggest that, as with malaria, 585 00:35:45,601 --> 00:35:48,104 it might be used as a prophylaxis against COVID-19? 586 00:35:48,271 --> 00:35:52,650 No. The answer is no and the evidence that you're talking about, John, 587 00:35:52,733 --> 00:35:54,235 is anecdotal evidence. 588 00:35:54,318 --> 00:35:58,114 That was the first time that publicly, with all the cameras rolling, 589 00:35:58,322 --> 00:36:02,326 I just had to get up and contradict him. 590 00:36:02,827 --> 00:36:05,538 But the information that you are referring to specifically 591 00:36:05,663 --> 00:36:08,833 is anecdotal. It was not done in a controlled clinical trial, 592 00:36:08,958 --> 00:36:11,377 so you really can't make any definitive statement about it. 593 00:36:12,795 --> 00:36:14,630 DR. FAUCI: When I stepped back from the podium, 594 00:36:14,714 --> 00:36:21,387 I remembered the advice that I got decades earlier by my good friend 595 00:36:21,470 --> 00:36:26,809 who said, "Whenever you go into the White House, you should assume 596 00:36:26,893 --> 00:36:30,104 "that there's a possibility that you're not gonna get asked back, 597 00:36:30,521 --> 00:36:34,066 because you might have to tell somebody something they didn't want to hear." 598 00:36:34,233 --> 00:36:37,820 And as I stepped back I said, "Well, this may be it." 599 00:36:38,112 --> 00:36:40,740 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 600 00:36:40,823 --> 00:36:44,994 I think... (CLEARS THROAT) ...without saying too much, 601 00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:50,458 I'm probably more of a fan of that than... maybe than anybody. 602 00:36:50,750 --> 00:36:54,921 He was so much in his own world that... I don't... 603 00:36:55,004 --> 00:36:57,924 He didn't react in a way of saying 604 00:36:58,049 --> 00:37:00,259 how dare you contradict me I'm the President? 605 00:37:00,384 --> 00:37:03,012 It was like, I'll say what I'm gonna say, you say what you're gonna say. 606 00:37:03,387 --> 00:37:06,682 Let's see if it works. It might and it might not. 607 00:37:06,807 --> 00:37:09,393 I happen to feel good about it, but who knows? 608 00:37:09,518 --> 00:37:12,104 I've been right a lot. Let's see what happens. 609 00:37:12,188 --> 00:37:13,564 -John. -JOHN: Can I come back to the science 610 00:37:13,648 --> 00:37:15,316 -and the logistics? -You ought to be ashamed of yourself. 611 00:37:15,399 --> 00:37:17,944 JOHN: The units that were ordered, are they for... 612 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,824 SANJAY: It just was a remarkable sort of back and forth 613 00:37:23,908 --> 00:37:26,661 between someone who's using their gut instincts, 614 00:37:26,744 --> 00:37:29,247 not scientifically based, not evidence based 615 00:37:29,497 --> 00:37:32,208 against, you know, a venerable scientist who kept 616 00:37:32,500 --> 00:37:36,671 sort of, on the fly, it seems, trying to fact check the President. 617 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,550 I just had never seen anything like it. 618 00:37:41,634 --> 00:37:45,388 I think Tony Fauci probably has one of the hardest jobs in America right now. 619 00:37:48,099 --> 00:37:50,434 (KEYBOARD KEYS CLATTERING) 620 00:37:50,726 --> 00:37:55,106 Communication is not ancillary to fighting an epidemic. 621 00:37:55,439 --> 00:37:58,150 Communication is central to fighting an epidemic. 622 00:37:58,526 --> 00:38:02,697 I'd like to provide some basic but important facts about Ebola 623 00:38:02,905 --> 00:38:04,115 and its transmission. 624 00:38:04,282 --> 00:38:07,076 SUSAN RICE: During the crises that we faced in the Obama Administration, 625 00:38:07,201 --> 00:38:11,914 it was particularly Dr. Fauci who brought this extraordinary sobriety... 626 00:38:12,498 --> 00:38:18,087 and rationality and fact based, evidence based leadership to the table. 627 00:38:18,212 --> 00:38:21,966 -(AMBULANCE SIREN WAILING) -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) 628 00:38:26,387 --> 00:38:28,264 MATT LAUER: The Centers for Disease Control 629 00:38:28,347 --> 00:38:32,143 is closely monitoring what's become the largest Ebola outbreak in history. 630 00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:35,187 NANCY SNYDERMAN: Ebola has been ravaging West Africa since March 631 00:38:35,313 --> 00:38:38,524 and shocked disease specialists when it hopped a border by plane. 632 00:38:39,984 --> 00:38:43,279 TOM FRIEDEN: The moment Ebola began spreading in cities, 633 00:38:43,821 --> 00:38:45,740 we were at the edge of an abyss. 634 00:38:46,407 --> 00:38:48,242 TOM COSTELLO: From the front lines of West Africa 635 00:38:48,367 --> 00:38:52,621 to the front door of America, an all-out push to get ahead of Ebola. 636 00:38:52,955 --> 00:38:55,374 I think we've got to let the science guide us. 637 00:38:57,043 --> 00:38:58,461 SEAN HANNITY: The outbreak that the President said 638 00:38:58,586 --> 00:39:00,838 was unlikely to come here is now here. 639 00:39:02,882 --> 00:39:07,887 FRANCIS COLLINS: Our nation was really wired into a frenzy of anxiety 640 00:39:07,970 --> 00:39:10,890 about whether this is gonna sweep across the country 641 00:39:11,098 --> 00:39:12,433 and take us all with it. 642 00:39:12,516 --> 00:39:16,228 Right now we have a devastating epidemic in West Africa 643 00:39:16,312 --> 00:39:18,731 and we're having an epidemic of fear in the United States, 644 00:39:18,856 --> 00:39:21,192 so we've got to continue to try and educate people 645 00:39:21,275 --> 00:39:23,986 about what they need to or do not need to be afraid of. 646 00:39:24,111 --> 00:39:28,783 Dr. Fauci clearly understood and clearly conveyed 647 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,578 that there was a wise, scientifically driven way 648 00:39:32,661 --> 00:39:35,498 to deal with this and a hysterical way to deal with it. 649 00:39:35,831 --> 00:39:39,251 The reason we are having this very difficult situation 650 00:39:39,418 --> 00:39:41,003 in the African countries 651 00:39:41,087 --> 00:39:45,132 is because they don't have the system to be able to contain it. 652 00:39:45,299 --> 00:39:48,052 If they had the system, we would not be seeing 653 00:39:48,177 --> 00:39:50,054 all of this suffering and dying in West Africa. 654 00:39:50,262 --> 00:39:53,599 If that's the case and if it's one case in the United States now, 655 00:39:53,682 --> 00:39:54,725 as we know it is... 656 00:39:55,643 --> 00:39:57,561 why are we having news conferences like this 657 00:39:57,686 --> 00:39:58,979 and why are we all so afraid? 658 00:39:59,397 --> 00:40:01,941 SUSAN: Ebola is a terrifying virus. 659 00:40:02,066 --> 00:40:05,611 It causes you to bleed through your orifices. 660 00:40:06,278 --> 00:40:09,824 It's transmissible through bodily fluids. 661 00:40:10,074 --> 00:40:15,287 It's not, therefore as easy to catch as a COVID-19 or a flu virus 662 00:40:15,413 --> 00:40:16,705 because it's not airborne. 663 00:40:17,331 --> 00:40:19,166 But it is much more deadly. 664 00:40:22,878 --> 00:40:26,632 The American part of dealing with Ebola here in this country 665 00:40:27,007 --> 00:40:29,301 took basically a 90 degree turn this weekend. 666 00:40:29,885 --> 00:40:32,721 MALE REPOTER: A nurse in Dallas becomes the first person 667 00:40:32,847 --> 00:40:35,599 to contract Ebola in the United States. 668 00:40:35,724 --> 00:40:40,271 Just moments ago, Nurse Nina Pham left the city for an NIH facility. 669 00:40:40,396 --> 00:40:42,481 DON LEMON: I believe that it's Nina Pham. 670 00:40:42,606 --> 00:40:44,859 SANJAY: It looks like she's walking off the plane there, Don. 671 00:40:44,984 --> 00:40:47,445 -DON: Yeah, very slowly. -When we were called upon... 672 00:40:48,028 --> 00:40:52,116 to care for one of the nurses who got infected, Tony led that charge. 673 00:40:52,241 --> 00:40:56,412 She came here at 11:54. All of us have been up all night. 674 00:40:56,620 --> 00:40:58,456 We haven't learned a lot about the virus yet. 675 00:40:58,581 --> 00:41:00,082 We're taking care of the patient. 676 00:41:00,291 --> 00:41:03,419 DR. FAUCI: Even some of our staff and our community 677 00:41:03,919 --> 00:41:07,631 were a little reluctant to go near the doctors and the nurses 678 00:41:08,090 --> 00:41:11,302 who were taking care of Ebola patients because they thought 679 00:41:11,385 --> 00:41:13,762 we were going to infect people in the community, 680 00:41:13,929 --> 00:41:16,056 which was impossible. That was not gonna happen. 681 00:41:17,725 --> 00:41:20,060 So, when Nina completely recovered, 682 00:41:20,144 --> 00:41:22,730 we decided we would publicly discharge her. 683 00:41:23,564 --> 00:41:26,358 As we were waiting in the lobby, I was saying, 684 00:41:26,525 --> 00:41:31,822 "Maybe I should do something here that could change around the stigma." 685 00:41:31,906 --> 00:41:36,368 Our patient Nina Pham is free of Ebola. 686 00:41:36,577 --> 00:41:37,578 Nina? 687 00:41:37,703 --> 00:41:43,209 (CROWD APPLAUDS, CHEERS) 688 00:41:43,417 --> 00:41:44,919 DR. FAUCI: I wanted people to see 689 00:41:45,127 --> 00:41:50,174 that I was not afraid of hugging someone who was completely recovered. 690 00:41:51,550 --> 00:41:54,553 I mean, it was, like, click, click, click, click all over the place. 691 00:41:54,762 --> 00:41:56,514 -MALE REPORTER 20: We love you, Nina. -FEMALE VOICE 2: Yeah. 692 00:41:58,849 --> 00:42:01,352 FRANCIS: To be able to turn that around and say, 693 00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:04,313 "Here's somebody who had it and she's fine," 694 00:42:04,605 --> 00:42:08,984 it's a counter to that visceral fear of contagion. 695 00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:11,570 (SOFT MUSIC PLAYING) 696 00:42:11,904 --> 00:42:14,532 LAURIE GARRETT: Tony has an ability to deal with fear 697 00:42:14,782 --> 00:42:17,201 and a really serious understanding 698 00:42:17,284 --> 00:42:21,914 of how to speak about... uncertainty 699 00:42:22,373 --> 00:42:27,545 and threat... to a terrified general population. 700 00:42:28,379 --> 00:42:32,508 (SOFT MUSIC PLAYING) 701 00:42:32,591 --> 00:42:35,427 The AIDS problem in America is only getting worse 702 00:42:35,511 --> 00:42:37,471 with every passing day and there is no sign 703 00:42:37,596 --> 00:42:39,181 that it will get better any time soon. 704 00:42:40,182 --> 00:42:41,600 MALE REPORTER: The National Academy of Sciences 705 00:42:41,684 --> 00:42:43,477 is warning of an AIDS catastrophe 706 00:42:43,561 --> 00:42:47,147 unless the government is willing to spend big money for education and research. 707 00:42:47,940 --> 00:42:51,902 Had this disease afflicted children or members of the chamber of commerce, 708 00:42:52,194 --> 00:42:54,697 I'm sure the Reagan Administration would have been breaking down 709 00:42:54,822 --> 00:42:56,448 all doors in order to deal with it. 710 00:42:57,074 --> 00:43:00,953 As the numbers increase, so does something else. Fear. 711 00:43:01,328 --> 00:43:02,621 -(PHONE RINGING) -The AIDS hotline. 712 00:43:02,705 --> 00:43:04,331 FEMALE REPORTER: Most of the callers besieging 713 00:43:04,415 --> 00:43:07,376 the country's AIDS hotlines are heterosexuals, 714 00:43:07,543 --> 00:43:10,963 panicked at the realization that they too could be at risk. 715 00:43:11,422 --> 00:43:16,302 I personally will tell my child if someone has AIDS, stay away from them. 716 00:43:17,386 --> 00:43:18,679 DR. FAUCI: At the time, 717 00:43:18,762 --> 00:43:22,099 people were very concerned about transmission. 718 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:26,353 We knew how this was transmitted, but there was still this crazy stigma. 719 00:43:27,938 --> 00:43:31,567 Even though I was a researcher and a physician scientist, 720 00:43:31,734 --> 00:43:34,194 I really wanted to get out and address that. 721 00:43:34,903 --> 00:43:37,489 MALE REPORTER 2: One of the nation's outstanding researchers on AIDS 722 00:43:37,823 --> 00:43:39,241 is Dr. Anthony Fauci. 723 00:43:39,366 --> 00:43:41,744 Dr. Fauci, thank you very much for coming in today. 724 00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:45,247 PHIL DONAHUE: Anthony Fauci, MD, National Institute of Health, 725 00:43:45,331 --> 00:43:47,916 make us feel better about these anxieties. 726 00:43:48,292 --> 00:43:53,339 It appears that the transmissibility of AIDS is through repeated sexual contact 727 00:43:53,672 --> 00:43:56,508 and/or in IV drug users in sharing needles. 728 00:43:56,759 --> 00:44:00,846 There is absolutely no evidence at all that AIDS can be transmitted 729 00:44:01,055 --> 00:44:03,974 by casual contact, by touching, 730 00:44:04,058 --> 00:44:07,478 by any kind of normal social interactions that you might have with anyone. 731 00:44:07,936 --> 00:44:11,482 So, I think that the fears may be understandable, 732 00:44:11,732 --> 00:44:13,525 but they're not scientifically sound. 733 00:44:13,901 --> 00:44:16,904 DR. FAUCI: One of the issues I had to push back against 734 00:44:16,987 --> 00:44:19,948 is that this was kind of somebody else's disease. 735 00:44:20,282 --> 00:44:22,076 FEMALE VOICE: Do you think that maybe the guilt 736 00:44:22,159 --> 00:44:24,453 that the gay community has been dealing with 737 00:44:24,536 --> 00:44:27,122 could be a reason for the breakdown of the immune system? 738 00:44:27,331 --> 00:44:28,290 No. 739 00:44:28,415 --> 00:44:32,044 What is your response to those who say only a small, unsavory group of people 740 00:44:32,127 --> 00:44:33,253 is affected by it? 741 00:44:33,337 --> 00:44:36,382 Therefore, it is not something that those who lead the straight and narrow life 742 00:44:36,465 --> 00:44:38,050 should be as concerned about there. 743 00:44:38,133 --> 00:44:40,386 To say because someone has a particular lifestyle 744 00:44:40,469 --> 00:44:43,055 that they're unsavory, I think is objectionable. 745 00:44:43,972 --> 00:44:45,641 These individuals who are infected, 746 00:44:45,724 --> 00:44:48,394 be they homosexuals or IV drug abusers, are people. 747 00:44:48,477 --> 00:44:52,731 People who deserve compassion, who deserve care and who deserve concern. 748 00:44:52,940 --> 00:44:56,568 We need to distinguish between unfair discrimination 749 00:44:56,652 --> 00:44:59,029 -and fair discrimination. -AUDIENCE: Oh! 750 00:44:59,154 --> 00:45:03,617 And they are reservoir of a host of contagious diseases. 751 00:45:03,701 --> 00:45:06,036 I'm gonna have to remove the mic and we'll move on down this way. 752 00:45:06,161 --> 00:45:07,830 In the light of that extraordinary outburst, 753 00:45:07,913 --> 00:45:09,832 I think, from a scientific standpoint, 754 00:45:09,915 --> 00:45:12,418 it should be really established so that everybody understands 755 00:45:12,501 --> 00:45:15,212 that there's nothing intrinsic about homosexuality 756 00:45:15,295 --> 00:45:19,466 that has to do with AIDS, and her response was a very good example 757 00:45:19,591 --> 00:45:21,468 of the kind of discrimination that we're talking about. 758 00:45:22,594 --> 00:45:25,389 EUGENE CLARK: There's only one source of the AIDS plague, 759 00:45:25,597 --> 00:45:28,475 the homosexual community is committing genocide 760 00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:30,936 and we are not speaking and telling the truth to them. 761 00:45:31,353 --> 00:45:35,232 LAURIE: There's religious groups claiming this is God's revenge 762 00:45:35,399 --> 00:45:40,195 and HIV gave them the excuse to increase their level of hatred 763 00:45:40,279 --> 00:45:41,822 and their level of discrimination. 764 00:45:41,947 --> 00:45:43,907 Some people have been evicted from their homes, 765 00:45:43,991 --> 00:45:46,368 either by their roommates or by their landlords, 766 00:45:46,577 --> 00:45:48,579 because of people's fear of contamination 767 00:45:48,662 --> 00:45:50,456 through their kind of casual social contact. 768 00:45:51,081 --> 00:45:54,418 DONOVAN CAMPBELL: If one is against the reservoir of the disease, 769 00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:57,171 then he's got to be against the reservoir of the disease, 770 00:45:57,296 --> 00:46:01,675 whether it's cows or monkeys or homosexuals. 771 00:46:02,092 --> 00:46:04,803 The risk for AIDS is not being a homosexual man 772 00:46:05,053 --> 00:46:07,806 and the risk for AIDS is not any of the other groups. 773 00:46:07,890 --> 00:46:11,018 The risk is the behavior. That's a very important thing. 774 00:46:11,185 --> 00:46:12,186 (INTENSE MUSIC PLAYING) 775 00:46:12,269 --> 00:46:15,230 DR. FAUCI: It was an important experience, because it got me 776 00:46:15,397 --> 00:46:19,485 to see beyond the individual patient... 777 00:46:20,569 --> 00:46:23,238 beyond the research and development of the drugs... 778 00:46:23,822 --> 00:46:26,533 what this disease was doing in society. 779 00:46:27,075 --> 00:46:29,369 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 780 00:46:29,661 --> 00:46:31,622 PAT BUCHANAN: With some 40,000 reported cases 781 00:46:31,789 --> 00:46:35,918 and 20,000 dead or dying, AIDS remains the gay plague. 782 00:46:36,084 --> 00:46:38,545 There's some similarities with this pandemic 783 00:46:38,670 --> 00:46:42,883 in the sense that people naturally want to look for someone to blame. 784 00:46:43,050 --> 00:46:45,135 -(INDISTICT CHATTER) -TRUMP: We had the greatest year 785 00:46:45,219 --> 00:46:47,971 and then, we got hit with the China plague, right? 786 00:46:48,055 --> 00:46:49,765 We got hit with the China plague. 787 00:46:50,015 --> 00:46:56,104 China has put 40,000,000 Americans out of work and killed 100,000 Americans. 788 00:46:56,939 --> 00:47:00,984 It's really convenient for politicians to have a scapegoat like that, 789 00:47:01,068 --> 00:47:05,405 because if they can blame another country, if they can blame another group of people, 790 00:47:05,656 --> 00:47:08,200 then they can absolve themselves of responsibility. 791 00:47:17,626 --> 00:47:20,295 JUDY WOODRUFF: Tensions over when and how fast to reopen 792 00:47:20,754 --> 00:47:26,093 dominate American life. States and cities weigh two overriding factors. 793 00:47:26,301 --> 00:47:27,344 Economic devastation 794 00:47:27,511 --> 00:47:31,306 and nearly 84,000 deaths in the United States. 795 00:47:34,059 --> 00:47:36,770 When you pull back and the virus is doing this, 796 00:47:36,895 --> 00:47:40,607 it's only gonna do that. It's not gonna turn around and come down. 797 00:47:42,276 --> 00:47:45,070 DR. FAUCI: Some people may think it's gonna be like a light switch, 798 00:47:45,237 --> 00:47:47,823 on and off. You know, we're either out and we're in. 799 00:47:48,115 --> 00:47:49,241 It's just not gonna be that way. 800 00:47:51,952 --> 00:47:53,287 RAND PAUL: I don't think you're the end-all, 801 00:47:53,370 --> 00:47:55,914 I don't think you're the one person that gets to make a decision. 802 00:47:55,998 --> 00:47:58,709 We can listen to your advice, but there are people on the other side 803 00:47:58,792 --> 00:48:00,294 saying there's not going to be a surge 804 00:48:00,377 --> 00:48:03,672 and that we can safely open the economy and the facts will bear this out. 805 00:48:03,797 --> 00:48:07,175 DR. FAUCI: I have never made myself out to be the end all and only voice of this. 806 00:48:07,676 --> 00:48:10,721 I'm a scientist, a physician and a public health official. 807 00:48:11,096 --> 00:48:14,182 I give advice according to the best scientific evidence. 808 00:48:17,311 --> 00:48:20,939 This phenomena of just telling the truth, you know, 809 00:48:21,064 --> 00:48:26,486 has made him both, an enemy and a rock star, you know, all at once. 810 00:48:27,154 --> 00:48:30,198 I want people to know who they're getting in Tony Fauci. 811 00:48:31,241 --> 00:48:35,245 The head and the heart that comes together in your body is the real deal. 812 00:48:35,829 --> 00:48:38,916 You're on socks, you're on mugs. There's Fauci Friday. 813 00:48:38,999 --> 00:48:43,837 Yeah, the National Institutes of hotness! Just try to stay six feet away. 814 00:48:44,338 --> 00:48:47,007 TREVOR NOAH: The man is out there fighting to keep people healthy 815 00:48:47,090 --> 00:48:51,261 and everyone is just, like, "Drop you pants. Show us that PhD." 816 00:48:52,262 --> 00:48:55,933 JENNY: It's been totally surreal to walk past a bookstore 817 00:48:56,058 --> 00:48:59,853 in my neighborhood and see, like, a candle with my dad's face on it. 818 00:48:59,978 --> 00:49:03,482 It's like, I don't know that that will ever feel... (LAUGHS) 819 00:49:03,899 --> 00:49:08,528 ...um, not totally disorienting and strange. 820 00:49:09,029 --> 00:49:12,074 Excuse me, don't go outside without your mask. 821 00:49:13,033 --> 00:49:15,786 Called it Fauci Spring and people kinda freaked out 822 00:49:15,911 --> 00:49:16,912 about this one. 823 00:49:16,995 --> 00:49:20,374 I've just found him very honest, trustworthy. Kind of like a super hero. 824 00:49:21,291 --> 00:49:25,295 It's amusing, it's interesting, but you can't take it seriously, 825 00:49:25,379 --> 00:49:28,173 because then you'll start thinking that you're something that you're not. 826 00:49:30,550 --> 00:49:35,097 However, built into that... are some fun things. 827 00:49:35,222 --> 00:49:38,016 MALE COMMENTATOR: We welcome Dr. Anthony Fauci. 828 00:49:38,100 --> 00:49:39,434 (AUDIENCE CHEERING) 829 00:49:39,601 --> 00:49:43,105 NICOLE WALLACE: Fauci's throw was just a bit outside. 830 00:49:43,313 --> 00:49:45,440 Unfortunately, it turns out the man, like all of us, 831 00:49:45,524 --> 00:49:46,566 -has a flaw. -(LAUGHS) 832 00:49:47,401 --> 00:49:49,361 DOREEN GENTZLER: There's a campaign to make you 833 00:49:49,486 --> 00:49:52,280 the People Magazine Sexiest Man of the Year. 834 00:49:52,364 --> 00:49:54,366 -Why is this happening? -(LAUGHS) 835 00:49:54,908 --> 00:49:59,287 DR. FAUCI: I have become "a symbol for something that isn't really me." 836 00:49:59,496 --> 00:50:01,707 It's something that has been created. 837 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,626 Which, I'm fine with that, as long as it helps people. 838 00:50:04,918 --> 00:50:08,588 But they need to realize that when the world gets back to normal, 839 00:50:09,131 --> 00:50:12,676 for sure, I am not the sexiest man in the world. (LAUGHS) 840 00:50:13,468 --> 00:50:15,762 APOORVA: In the US, before this pandemic, 841 00:50:15,929 --> 00:50:20,058 if you pushed someone to name a scientist, I bet they couldn't have. 842 00:50:20,517 --> 00:50:22,352 And now they can say Tony Fauci. 843 00:50:23,812 --> 00:50:28,942 But, along with all of this attention and fame came the criticism. 844 00:50:29,818 --> 00:50:31,570 MALE VOICE: Anthony Fauci is doing blogs, 845 00:50:31,695 --> 00:50:33,238 he's doing Steph Curry's podcasts. 846 00:50:33,363 --> 00:50:35,741 Can't he get on a lab coat and make some progress? 847 00:50:35,824 --> 00:50:38,618 He's running for something. Does anybody know what? 848 00:50:38,869 --> 00:50:41,079 Because, above all, you must never mock 849 00:50:41,163 --> 00:50:42,998 the sainted Anthony Fauci. 850 00:50:44,041 --> 00:50:47,335 Tony's been criticized for a lot of things during this pandemic. 851 00:50:47,753 --> 00:50:50,297 Some of those he deserves, like the mask guidance. 852 00:50:50,380 --> 00:50:52,049 I think that was confusing for people. 853 00:50:52,466 --> 00:50:54,342 In March, Fauci told 60 Minutes 854 00:50:54,468 --> 00:50:56,928 there's no reason to be walking around with a mask. 855 00:50:57,804 --> 00:50:58,972 Well, there was. 856 00:50:59,181 --> 00:51:03,351 He felt he was going by the best of what science offered at the time 857 00:51:03,477 --> 00:51:05,854 and he's obviously been beaten up about it quite a bit. 858 00:51:07,105 --> 00:51:09,399 But it still is something I wonder about. 859 00:51:11,693 --> 00:51:14,529 DR. FAUCI: Early on, the White House Coronavirus Task Force 860 00:51:14,613 --> 00:51:17,240 was told we really have a shortage of masks. 861 00:51:17,699 --> 00:51:19,493 And we didn't know at the time 862 00:51:20,077 --> 00:51:23,663 that there was a lot of asymptomatic spread. 863 00:51:23,872 --> 00:51:25,040 We didn't know that. 864 00:51:25,207 --> 00:51:28,794 Under those circumstances I said, "We shouldn't really be wearing masks." 865 00:51:30,587 --> 00:51:34,591 And then when we found out that 50 percent of the transmissions 866 00:51:34,674 --> 00:51:38,428 occur from someone without symptoms, then it became clear, 867 00:51:38,512 --> 00:51:41,431 holy smokes, we really should be wearing a mask. 868 00:51:46,186 --> 00:51:48,021 ALISYN: There's been questions over the past couple of weeks, 869 00:51:48,105 --> 00:51:49,272 where is Dr. Fauci? 870 00:51:49,648 --> 00:51:51,650 WOLF BLITZER: Dr. Fauci's role minimized. 871 00:51:51,817 --> 00:51:55,529 Yeah, apparently he hasn't spoken directly with the President since June second. 872 00:51:57,864 --> 00:52:00,784 PETER STALEY: We're seeing uptakes again and nobody's hearing from you. 873 00:52:00,867 --> 00:52:01,952 DR. FAUCI: Yeah. 874 00:52:02,035 --> 00:52:04,913 PETER: Do you still feel you have some positive influence 875 00:52:04,996 --> 00:52:09,835 through the Task Force or is it just a waste of time now... 876 00:52:09,918 --> 00:52:12,170 -Well... -PETER: From the exterior, 877 00:52:12,254 --> 00:52:16,091 it seems like a waste of time and Trump is on a very different direction. 878 00:52:16,633 --> 00:52:19,427 DR. FAUCI: Well, I think you just nailed it there, 879 00:52:19,553 --> 00:52:24,558 because right now everything is about opening the economy 880 00:52:24,850 --> 00:52:26,476 and opening all the states. 881 00:52:27,894 --> 00:52:31,815 PETER: To my mind, that's why the turning off 882 00:52:31,898 --> 00:52:34,109 of your voice is such a tragedy. 883 00:52:35,443 --> 00:52:41,241 You know, tell me to shut up... (LAUGHING) ...because I keep blogging it... 884 00:52:42,159 --> 00:52:47,497 but if you had a Twitter account, you'd get literally millions of followers 885 00:52:47,706 --> 00:52:50,417 -within the first 24 hours. -DR. FAUCI: So, let me ask you a question. 886 00:52:50,750 --> 00:52:53,295 What does having a Twitter account actually mean? 887 00:52:53,545 --> 00:52:57,591 You've got to type some stuff in and just send it, is that what it is? 888 00:52:58,008 --> 00:53:00,844 Do you got to respond to things? I don't have any minutes. 889 00:53:00,927 --> 00:53:02,512 PETER: No, you don't have to respond to anything. 890 00:53:02,637 --> 00:53:05,223 I don't have any minutes in the day. 891 00:53:05,348 --> 00:53:07,642 PETER: You're gonna get a million responses... 892 00:53:08,310 --> 00:53:09,936 and you ignore them all 893 00:53:10,395 --> 00:53:15,859 and then you start delivering your classic public health messages, 894 00:53:16,151 --> 00:53:18,236 avoiding politics... 895 00:53:19,029 --> 00:53:21,573 but you've got millions of people listening to you 896 00:53:21,698 --> 00:53:24,159 and it's something the White House wouldn't vet, 897 00:53:24,534 --> 00:53:27,621 as long as you didn't cross into the political realm. 898 00:53:27,746 --> 00:53:28,788 Right. 899 00:53:28,872 --> 00:53:33,460 (AUDIENCE CHEERING) 900 00:53:33,793 --> 00:53:37,088 Here's the bad part. When you do testing to that extent, 901 00:53:37,172 --> 00:53:39,549 you're gonna find more people, you're gonna find more cases. 902 00:53:39,925 --> 00:53:43,803 So I said to my people, "Slow the testing down, please." 903 00:53:45,722 --> 00:53:47,766 FRANK PALLONE: So, Dr. Fauci, do you agree with that? 904 00:53:48,433 --> 00:53:49,476 It's the opposite. 905 00:53:49,601 --> 00:53:51,394 We're gonna be doing more testing, not less. 906 00:53:51,478 --> 00:53:55,523 When you want to give the American people confidence 907 00:53:55,732 --> 00:53:58,944 that they can trust the knowledge and the wisdom 908 00:53:59,069 --> 00:54:03,073 coming out the US government. it behooves us to put the scientists 909 00:54:03,156 --> 00:54:04,783 and the doctors front and center. 910 00:54:07,953 --> 00:54:09,329 DR. FAUCI: We're going in the wrong direction. 911 00:54:09,537 --> 00:54:12,707 If you look at the curves of the new cases, 912 00:54:12,916 --> 00:54:15,293 clearly we are not in total control right now. 913 00:54:15,627 --> 00:54:19,005 Well, Dr. Doom himself, spreading more COVID panic 914 00:54:19,172 --> 00:54:20,882 and undermining Trump's agenda. 915 00:54:21,049 --> 00:54:23,677 NED RYUN: Honestly, I think Trump needs to send him back to his office 916 00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,470 and shut the door and say, "Very nice. 917 00:54:25,595 --> 00:54:27,806 "Thank you so much for your thoughts. We're moving on." 918 00:54:28,223 --> 00:54:31,810 DR. FAUCI: As a country, we went up, came down, 919 00:54:31,977 --> 00:54:33,895 but instead of going all the way down 920 00:54:34,062 --> 00:54:37,816 we plateaued at around 20,000 cases per day. 921 00:54:37,899 --> 00:54:41,528 Trade advisor Peter Navarro wrote this Op-Ed saying, 922 00:54:41,611 --> 00:54:43,280 "Anthony Fauci has been wrong 923 00:54:43,363 --> 00:54:46,324 about everything I have interacted with him on." 924 00:54:47,409 --> 00:54:50,453 DR. FAUCI: What I've been trying to do is to get people to realize 925 00:54:50,537 --> 00:54:55,000 how important it is to do the fundamental public health measures, 926 00:54:55,208 --> 00:54:56,543 because if we don't do that, 927 00:54:56,710 --> 00:54:59,045 we are afraid things could actually get worse. 928 00:54:59,212 --> 00:55:03,717 Why on earth would your Administration be involved in a campaign at this point 929 00:55:03,842 --> 00:55:05,927 to discredit Dr. Fauci? 930 00:55:06,011 --> 00:55:07,220 Because we're not. 931 00:55:07,554 --> 00:55:11,141 If one man from my Administration doesn't like him 932 00:55:11,308 --> 00:55:12,934 because he made a few mistakes. 933 00:55:13,018 --> 00:55:14,853 Look, Dr. Fauci said, "Don't wear masks," 934 00:55:15,145 --> 00:55:18,064 Dr. Fauci told me not to ban China, it would be a big mistake. 935 00:55:18,189 --> 00:55:20,608 (CROWD CHANTING) Fire Fauci! 936 00:55:20,900 --> 00:55:24,571 Fire Fauci, fire Fauci, fire Fauci! 937 00:55:24,696 --> 00:55:28,241 JENNY: Of course he was disturbed by any way 938 00:55:28,325 --> 00:55:31,703 in which these attacks muddied the message 939 00:55:32,078 --> 00:55:36,041 or created a distraction from the real set of issues, 940 00:55:36,916 --> 00:55:40,837 but the more personal stuff that was upsetting to me 941 00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:42,464 and my sisters and my mom. 942 00:55:42,922 --> 00:55:45,425 He, as best as he could and I don't know how he did it, 943 00:55:45,508 --> 00:55:46,593 just put that off the table. 944 00:55:47,927 --> 00:55:52,140 (SOFT MUSIC PLAYING) 945 00:55:56,144 --> 00:56:00,565 DR. FAUCI: When someone attacks I don't immediately fight back. 946 00:56:00,774 --> 00:56:01,983 That's not my style. 947 00:56:03,610 --> 00:56:05,195 I don't get into the fray. 948 00:56:06,654 --> 00:56:10,075 And over the years, which became decades, 949 00:56:10,700 --> 00:56:12,452 that became my mantra. 950 00:56:13,620 --> 00:56:16,790 Using the Godfather as the great book of philosophy, 951 00:56:17,332 --> 00:56:19,501 it's nothing personal, it's strictly business. 952 00:56:19,709 --> 00:56:21,586 We'll never be silent again. 953 00:56:21,669 --> 00:56:23,088 -We'll never be silent again. -CROWD: Fight back. 954 00:56:23,171 --> 00:56:24,672 MICHAEL HIRSCH: Nineteen thousand people a day. 955 00:56:24,756 --> 00:56:28,968 If 19,000 grandmothers or boy scouts or 11 boy scouts had died, 956 00:56:29,177 --> 00:56:30,637 we'd go bananas in this country. 957 00:56:30,845 --> 00:56:32,722 Murder! Murder! Murder! 958 00:56:32,806 --> 00:56:35,809 LARRY: The only people in charge of AIDS are incompetent hacks. 959 00:56:36,059 --> 00:56:38,144 You know, the rage is so intense, 960 00:56:38,353 --> 00:56:41,856 what do you do to make a government fight to do something 961 00:56:41,981 --> 00:56:44,359 to save 40,000 people? 962 00:56:44,442 --> 00:56:47,570 (AUDIENCE APPLAUD) 963 00:56:49,906 --> 00:56:54,911 My first evidence that there was anger out there... 964 00:56:56,204 --> 00:57:00,792 at the government's response to HIV-AIDS was an article 965 00:57:00,959 --> 00:57:04,963 which had the headline, "An Open Letter To Incompetent Idiot. 966 00:57:05,046 --> 00:57:07,424 "I Call You A Murderer, Dr. Anthony Fauci." 967 00:57:08,341 --> 00:57:12,011 And went on saying just what a complete disaster I was. 968 00:57:12,262 --> 00:57:14,222 I didn't know what I was doing. I was this, I was that. 969 00:57:14,347 --> 00:57:17,142 And I said, "Oh, my God, what did I do to this guy?" 970 00:57:17,225 --> 00:57:20,395 Dr. Anthony Fauci is God in AIDS research. 971 00:57:21,646 --> 00:57:24,691 He's just been inhumane, I guess, is the only thing I can say. 972 00:57:25,733 --> 00:57:28,736 DR. FAUCI: It was written by a man named Larry Kramer, 973 00:57:29,696 --> 00:57:34,784 who was a firebrand that was leading a group called ACT UP. 974 00:57:35,118 --> 00:57:38,788 PROTESTERS: Act up! Stand tall! It's time for action, City Hall! 975 00:57:38,872 --> 00:57:40,999 If you go ACT UP to a scientist they go... (GASPS) 976 00:57:41,082 --> 00:57:44,794 You know, ACT UP, my God. You know, run away from ACT UP. 977 00:57:45,336 --> 00:57:47,839 PETER JENNINGS: The demonstrations are the work of ACT UP. 978 00:57:48,590 --> 00:57:51,509 A group which believes that with 76,000 Americans 979 00:57:51,593 --> 00:57:53,219 already dead as a result of AIDS, 980 00:57:53,303 --> 00:57:55,763 it is imperative to get the message across, 981 00:57:55,847 --> 00:57:59,350 even if people are sometimes given to outrage because of the message. 982 00:58:00,685 --> 00:58:02,979 PETER: As the deaths mounted... 983 00:58:03,688 --> 00:58:07,317 there was a realization that if we didn't do something, 984 00:58:07,484 --> 00:58:11,654 we were all going to die and the country would just let us die. 985 00:58:13,198 --> 00:58:14,491 MICHAEL: I'll never forget the first meeting. 986 00:58:14,574 --> 00:58:18,453 It was in the West Village. And I went in and there was this energy. 987 00:58:18,578 --> 00:58:20,246 It was just like, it... 988 00:58:20,830 --> 00:58:25,960 It was indescribable. And I felt hopeful for the first time. 989 00:58:26,628 --> 00:58:28,838 DAVID BARR: None of us had a background in science. 990 00:58:30,340 --> 00:58:33,843 I was a lawyer, somebody else was a graphic designer, 991 00:58:33,968 --> 00:58:36,262 somebody else studied Russian poetry. 992 00:58:37,972 --> 00:58:41,809 Science was not where we came from, but we began to learn. 993 00:58:42,477 --> 00:58:46,105 And... we started having questions about the studies. 994 00:58:46,272 --> 00:58:49,025 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 995 00:58:49,192 --> 00:58:52,570 I'd probably come over Fauci's name during my own research, 996 00:58:52,654 --> 00:58:55,406 but it hadn't really clicked yet, 997 00:58:55,490 --> 00:59:00,286 but all of a sudden we were talking about Tony Fauci at ACT UP meetings. 998 00:59:00,828 --> 00:59:04,040 Tony Fauci was... the enemy. 999 00:59:09,963 --> 00:59:14,259 For me, I had just lost my partner. I was... 1000 00:59:14,968 --> 00:59:20,139 in grief and we needed drugs. We needed them yesterday. 1001 00:59:20,306 --> 00:59:23,810 ACT UP's focus was always drugs into bodies. 1002 00:59:23,893 --> 00:59:25,645 That's what the motto was. 1003 00:59:28,147 --> 00:59:29,524 Make sure that we could find treatment 1004 00:59:29,649 --> 00:59:31,442 for HIV and AIDS for people 1005 00:59:31,651 --> 00:59:33,945 and make sure that it was accessible to everyone. 1006 00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:39,242 AIDS patients breaking the law, in a desperate battle 1007 00:59:39,367 --> 00:59:40,660 to save their own lives. 1008 00:59:40,785 --> 00:59:42,453 TOM JARRIEL: Many are now treating themselves 1009 00:59:42,579 --> 00:59:45,039 with medications not yet approved by the government. 1010 00:59:46,457 --> 00:59:50,336 DAVID: We were fighting with the FDA over access to an experimental drug 1011 00:59:50,628 --> 00:59:54,215 to treat the pneumonia that was the leading cause of death 1012 00:59:54,465 --> 00:59:56,134 amongst people with AIDS. 1013 00:59:56,301 --> 00:59:59,262 It was an approved drug already for cancer patients 1014 00:59:59,345 --> 01:00:02,015 that had immune suppression and it worked for them. 1015 01:00:03,433 --> 01:00:08,313 And Tony said "No, we're not really interested in that. 1016 01:00:09,022 --> 01:00:11,149 "We're interested in this drug AZT 1017 01:00:11,232 --> 01:00:13,443 and that's where we're gonna put our resources." 1018 01:00:14,402 --> 01:00:16,696 PETER: About a year later, 1019 01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:23,369 I think 16 or 18,000 people with AIDS died of PCP pneumonia. 1020 01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:27,165 And we accused him of causing those deaths. 1021 01:00:28,374 --> 01:00:31,711 LARRY: This government isn't equipped to put 10,000 people into a trial. 1022 01:00:31,836 --> 01:00:32,837 It is so disorganized. 1023 01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:34,505 HOST: There are so many committees. 1024 01:00:34,589 --> 01:00:35,923 But it could be equipped. 1025 01:00:36,007 --> 01:00:37,842 If Tony Fauci were courageous enough to whisper... 1026 01:00:37,925 --> 01:00:39,427 I want to stay away from the politics. 1027 01:00:39,510 --> 01:00:42,639 ...in President Bush's ear let's do something about this plague. 1028 01:00:42,889 --> 01:00:49,187 It was a little confusing because I, who had been knocking myself out, 1029 01:00:49,771 --> 01:00:55,485 trying to do the right thing, was the object of the anger. 1030 01:00:55,693 --> 01:00:58,112 (VOILIN PLAYING) 1031 01:00:58,321 --> 01:01:02,033 DR. FAUCI: But then something happened within me and I said, 1032 01:01:02,784 --> 01:01:06,079 "You know, something's going on that I'm missing here." 1033 01:01:09,290 --> 01:01:13,670 And that's when I started to really reach out. 1034 01:01:13,836 --> 01:01:15,546 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 1035 01:01:15,672 --> 01:01:17,799 PETER: It was pretty much the first and only time, I think, 1036 01:01:17,882 --> 01:01:23,096 in ACT UP's early history where anybody in government came to us. 1037 01:01:23,596 --> 01:01:25,348 ACT UP REP 1: 1038 01:01:26,349 --> 01:01:29,644 DAVID: We invited him to come to an ACT UP meeting. 1039 01:01:30,019 --> 01:01:35,692 He knew that he was gonna face an audience that was hostile and distrustful. 1040 01:01:36,109 --> 01:01:38,736 ACT UP MEMBER 1: 1041 01:01:54,794 --> 01:01:58,965 DR. FAUCI: It was quite a scene. I went up there to listen to them 1042 01:01:59,173 --> 01:02:01,759 and to try and explain to them the rationale 1043 01:02:01,926 --> 01:02:05,847 for why we were doing what we were doing, even though they did not agree. 1044 01:02:06,347 --> 01:02:09,016 ACT UP MEMBER 2: 1045 01:02:14,814 --> 01:02:15,898 DR. FAUCI: 1046 01:02:21,863 --> 01:02:26,117 The criticism, the hostility, it didn't really seem to phase him. 1047 01:02:42,216 --> 01:02:46,095 My first impression was that we're dealing with Brooklyn here. 1048 01:02:46,804 --> 01:02:50,516 He got a complete grilling and continued the conversation. 1049 01:02:50,808 --> 01:02:52,852 DR FAUCI: 1050 01:03:01,944 --> 01:03:04,113 DR. FAUCI: We didn't agree on everything in that first meeting, 1051 01:03:04,197 --> 01:03:06,365 but their instincts were right. 1052 01:03:08,993 --> 01:03:13,456 And that started a series of dialogs 1053 01:03:14,081 --> 01:03:18,169 that did not stop the demonstrations. 1054 01:03:18,419 --> 01:03:22,048 CROWD: It's a lie, it's a sham, it won't work! 1055 01:03:22,256 --> 01:03:23,883 It's a lie, it's a sham! 1056 01:03:24,050 --> 01:03:25,927 DR. FAUCI: Although we were making progress 1057 01:03:26,385 --> 01:03:30,598 in coming to some rapprochement, as it were, 1058 01:03:30,932 --> 01:03:36,270 they still thought that something wasn't happening quickly enough. 1059 01:03:38,481 --> 01:03:42,777 PETER: He did not want to do anything that was considered rocking the boat 1060 01:03:42,902 --> 01:03:46,072 about scientific norms and the scientific establishment. 1061 01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:50,868 DR. FAUCI: If you don't forge ahead, you get accused of being too slow. 1062 01:03:51,536 --> 01:03:54,539 I'm just gonna have to do what's right and do my job 1063 01:03:54,622 --> 01:03:57,291 and know that this is the right thing for biomedical science, 1064 01:03:57,458 --> 01:03:59,502 the right thing for the health of this country. 1065 01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:04,882 DR. FAUCI: How you design a clinical trial and how you evaluate those results, 1066 01:04:05,007 --> 01:04:10,304 the time it takes to go from the beginning up to the time it actually gets approved 1067 01:04:11,138 --> 01:04:15,351 were what you would refer to as sacrosanct processes. 1068 01:04:16,394 --> 01:04:19,397 Rigidity was perfection. 1069 01:04:21,190 --> 01:04:25,278 The reasons I can't get any of these drugs is because the leadership in this country 1070 01:04:25,361 --> 01:04:28,114 has failed to come up with a plan of action. 1071 01:04:28,948 --> 01:04:30,032 PETER: Bottom line. 1072 01:04:30,408 --> 01:04:34,203 The government's AIDS research effort, which he is supposedly in charge of... 1073 01:04:35,204 --> 01:04:36,330 isn't producing. 1074 01:04:36,831 --> 01:04:40,835 ACT UP REP 1: The Federal Government's AIDS research program is flawed. 1075 01:04:41,502 --> 01:04:44,297 So, we're going to have a small but tasteful little gathering 1076 01:04:44,422 --> 01:04:47,466 at the National Institutes of Health on May 21st. 1077 01:04:47,592 --> 01:04:50,052 -(AUDIENCE APPLAUD) -ACT UP REP 2: Storm the NIH. 1078 01:04:50,428 --> 01:04:53,264 PETER: I called Tony and I said, "We're coming." 1079 01:04:55,766 --> 01:04:56,809 And it was game on. 1080 01:04:57,768 --> 01:05:01,272 -(FAST MUSIC PLAYING) -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) 1081 01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:03,900 Every 12 minutes someone dies. 1082 01:05:05,276 --> 01:05:07,153 SUSAN KIDD: A group calling itself ACT UP 1083 01:05:07,236 --> 01:05:08,863 wants changes in AIDS research. 1084 01:05:08,946 --> 01:05:12,617 Asking for wider and faster testing of AIDS fighting drugs. 1085 01:05:12,700 --> 01:05:16,829 Here's your money, NIH! Here's your money, NIH! 1086 01:05:17,204 --> 01:05:19,999 SUSAN SPENCER: Mounted police and others wearing rubber gloves 1087 01:05:20,082 --> 01:05:22,126 confronted about 1,000 AIDS activists. 1088 01:05:22,293 --> 01:05:27,131 (INDISTINCT CHATTER CONTINUES) 1089 01:05:28,090 --> 01:05:29,800 MALE PROTESTOR: They won't test any of these drugs 1090 01:05:29,884 --> 01:05:33,971 that will keep people alive. No Peptide T, no Compound Q. 1091 01:05:34,180 --> 01:05:36,265 Anthony Fauci, I piss on you. 1092 01:05:36,432 --> 01:05:39,602 The NIH is lying! Women with AIDS are dying! 1093 01:05:41,187 --> 01:05:45,524 Their decisions for our women, children, people of color is always no. 1094 01:05:45,691 --> 01:05:48,653 Dr. Anthony Fauci and a lot of other hotshot scientists 1095 01:05:48,861 --> 01:05:51,113 are having conferences deciding research priorities. 1096 01:05:52,657 --> 01:05:54,700 We think we should be deciding the research priorities. 1097 01:05:54,825 --> 01:05:56,285 These are the people who know what's going on 1098 01:05:56,369 --> 01:05:58,079 because they're dealing with it every day. 1099 01:06:00,706 --> 01:06:04,377 DR. FAUCI: I started to put myself into their shoes 1100 01:06:04,585 --> 01:06:07,421 and finally I realized what they really wanted 1101 01:06:07,546 --> 01:06:09,423 is to be part of the process. 1102 01:06:10,132 --> 01:06:13,094 I have a disease. I'm gonna be dead in X number of months. 1103 01:06:13,177 --> 01:06:16,013 You've just given me a plan that something is gonna happen 1104 01:06:16,138 --> 01:06:17,181 in three years. 1105 01:06:17,306 --> 01:06:19,266 Thank you very much, but I'm gonna be dead. 1106 01:06:19,558 --> 01:06:21,394 So we need to do a little bit more about that. 1107 01:06:21,477 --> 01:06:24,397 Typical day at the NIH watching people die! 1108 01:06:25,022 --> 01:06:27,024 DR. FAUCI: And I started to feel, 1109 01:06:27,233 --> 01:06:29,527 and my staff thought I was completely nuts... 1110 01:06:30,361 --> 01:06:33,072 almost an affinity... to them. 1111 01:06:37,118 --> 01:06:41,163 I pulled a banner out of my backpack and I'm starting to tape it up 1112 01:06:41,414 --> 01:06:45,292 and then all of a sudden, all these cops are lifting each other up. 1113 01:06:45,918 --> 01:06:48,170 They're angry that they've been fooled. 1114 01:06:52,383 --> 01:06:56,595 And they lower me down into the arms of all the other cops. 1115 01:06:58,681 --> 01:07:01,726 And the commander says, "Take him through the building." 1116 01:07:03,936 --> 01:07:08,524 Halfway down the hall I see a very familiar sight. 1117 01:07:09,316 --> 01:07:13,946 A short man in a white coat. (LAUGHS) 1118 01:07:16,699 --> 01:07:21,203 And, uh, he goes... "Peter?" 1119 01:07:21,287 --> 01:07:25,207 And Peter looks me in the eye, he says, "Tony, I did it. I got arrested. 1120 01:07:25,291 --> 01:07:26,792 "I told you I'd get arrested." 1121 01:07:27,001 --> 01:07:31,005 And the cop looks at me and says, "What the shit is going on here? 1122 01:07:31,255 --> 01:07:33,674 "Who is this guy? He's your friend?" 1123 01:07:33,883 --> 01:07:36,802 (CHUCKLES) Because he knows this is the Director of the Building 1124 01:07:37,011 --> 01:07:40,389 and, like, "Who the hell is this guy I'm arresting?" 1125 01:07:40,598 --> 01:07:43,851 We completely befuddled the police. 1126 01:07:46,187 --> 01:07:49,899 DAVID: Tony understood that what we were doing was political theater 1127 01:07:50,024 --> 01:07:51,817 to move an issue along. 1128 01:07:53,319 --> 01:07:55,321 He never stopped being open. 1129 01:07:55,780 --> 01:07:59,408 He never said, "The way you treated me at that demonstration, 1130 01:07:59,533 --> 01:08:01,285 "I'm never gonna talk to you people again." 1131 01:08:01,660 --> 01:08:04,955 Instead, it was exactly the opposite. It's "We need to talk more." 1132 01:08:08,626 --> 01:08:14,173 DR. FAUCI: There was a lot of push back on the part of some of my own staff, 1133 01:08:14,548 --> 01:08:18,677 that I was compromising the scientific process. 1134 01:08:19,053 --> 01:08:23,557 You can't have activists involved in our meetings 1135 01:08:23,641 --> 01:08:26,602 where we discuss the design of a clinical trial. 1136 01:08:29,605 --> 01:08:32,650 PETER: By that summer, with the International AIDS Conference 1137 01:08:32,817 --> 01:08:34,860 about to happen in San Francisco, 1138 01:08:35,027 --> 01:08:37,905 the relationship between the scientific establishment 1139 01:08:38,364 --> 01:08:41,867 and ACT UP was at a breaking point. 1140 01:08:44,411 --> 01:08:46,789 FORREST SAWYER: About 100 protesters have already been arrested 1141 01:08:46,914 --> 01:08:50,209 at the International AIDS Conference that began today in San Francisco. 1142 01:08:50,793 --> 01:08:53,045 MALE VOICE 17: Researchers feel that they're undervalued. 1143 01:08:53,295 --> 01:08:55,464 If they feel that they're gonna be demonstrated against, 1144 01:08:55,589 --> 01:08:57,842 they'll just get out and do their work in cancer 1145 01:08:58,050 --> 01:09:00,386 and Alzheimer's disease and heart, what have you. 1146 01:09:00,469 --> 01:09:02,763 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 1147 01:09:02,847 --> 01:09:06,767 You can beat them down by this constant harassment. 1148 01:09:07,852 --> 01:09:12,481 PETER: Larry Kramer called for riots. It was getting out of hand. 1149 01:09:13,065 --> 01:09:16,610 And then the organizers of the conference tried to placate ACT UP. 1150 01:09:17,403 --> 01:09:20,823 They said "If you want to speak, it's yours." 1151 01:09:21,282 --> 01:09:22,741 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 1152 01:09:22,867 --> 01:09:27,413 PETER: Exactly 30 days ago, all of us here in the front 1153 01:09:28,164 --> 01:09:31,250 stood up for what we believed in and vocalized our commitment 1154 01:09:31,542 --> 01:09:34,628 on the beautiful grounds of the National Institutes of Health. 1155 01:09:36,463 --> 01:09:39,091 When we make mistakes, what's the fallout? 1156 01:09:39,925 --> 01:09:43,220 Some people become offended and begin to hate ACT UP. 1157 01:09:44,555 --> 01:09:48,350 Whereas, when government or scientific community makes a mistake, 1158 01:09:48,684 --> 01:09:50,853 thousands of people can die. 1159 01:09:53,105 --> 01:09:58,152 It became patently clear to me that they were making absolute sense. 1160 01:09:58,235 --> 01:10:00,571 It gives me great pleasure to welcome Dr. Fauci. 1161 01:10:00,654 --> 01:10:01,822 It's an honor to have him here. 1162 01:10:01,947 --> 01:10:05,951 (AUDIENCE APPLAUD) 1163 01:10:09,371 --> 01:10:13,042 AIDS in the 1990s has revolutionized the relationship 1164 01:10:13,125 --> 01:10:14,752 between the public and scientists. 1165 01:10:15,586 --> 01:10:18,964 The politically charged nature of the epidemic has put researchers 1166 01:10:19,048 --> 01:10:21,592 under an extraordinary degree of public scrutiny. 1167 01:10:22,676 --> 01:10:26,555 They are confronted with the accusation by some that they are not doing enough 1168 01:10:26,639 --> 01:10:28,224 and that they are moving too slowly. 1169 01:10:28,349 --> 01:10:32,353 (AUDIENCE APPLAUD, CHEER) 1170 01:10:32,478 --> 01:10:33,562 I'm not finished. 1171 01:10:36,774 --> 01:10:40,486 The scientific process is often seen as overly restrictive 1172 01:10:40,569 --> 01:10:42,279 and even an impediment to solution. 1173 01:10:43,197 --> 01:10:48,369 The most vocal, provocative and articulate groups among these 1174 01:10:48,494 --> 01:10:49,995 are the AIDS Activists. 1175 01:10:50,371 --> 01:10:54,583 Some of them are better informed than many scientists can possibly imagine. 1176 01:10:59,004 --> 01:11:01,924 Yet they are sometimes incorrect. 1177 01:11:02,049 --> 01:11:03,133 (CHUCKLES) 1178 01:11:05,261 --> 01:11:06,845 Believe it or not. (LAUGHS) 1179 01:11:06,929 --> 01:11:08,222 (AUDIENCE LAUGHS) 1180 01:11:08,305 --> 01:11:10,849 However, in the interactions 1181 01:11:10,933 --> 01:11:13,352 between physicians, scientists and activists, 1182 01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:16,188 mistakes have been made by both sides. 1183 01:11:17,064 --> 01:11:22,236 Activists are mistaken when they assume that scientists do not care about them. 1184 01:11:23,279 --> 01:11:25,948 This is devastating to a physician scientist 1185 01:11:26,073 --> 01:11:28,325 who has devoted years to AIDS research, 1186 01:11:28,492 --> 01:11:30,494 particularly when they themselves 1187 01:11:30,619 --> 01:11:33,497 see so many of their own patients suffering and dying. 1188 01:11:34,581 --> 01:11:38,085 On the other hand, scientists cannot dismiss activists 1189 01:11:38,335 --> 01:11:42,214 merely on the basis of the fact that they are not trained scientists. 1190 01:11:43,007 --> 01:11:46,510 Activists bring a very special insight into the disease 1191 01:11:46,719 --> 01:11:49,013 that they can actually be helpful 1192 01:11:49,263 --> 01:11:52,683 in the way that we design our scientific approaches. 1193 01:11:53,892 --> 01:11:58,605 (AUDIENCE APPLAUD) 1194 01:12:00,274 --> 01:12:03,986 We must join together, for together we a formidable force 1195 01:12:04,194 --> 01:12:05,487 with a common goal. 1196 01:12:05,779 --> 01:12:09,533 We must never lose sight of the fact that the people whom we serve 1197 01:12:09,616 --> 01:12:12,786 are the HIV infected people throughout the world. Thank you. 1198 01:12:19,001 --> 01:12:25,341 (AUDIENCE APPLAUD, CHEER) 1199 01:12:29,053 --> 01:12:32,056 DR. FAUCI: During that speech, I'm saying something 1200 01:12:32,139 --> 01:12:34,683 and you have the activists clap. 1201 01:12:35,184 --> 01:12:38,270 Then I say something and the scientists clap. 1202 01:12:38,771 --> 01:12:44,943 The beauty of it is that... at the end of it, everybody was clapping. 1203 01:12:48,614 --> 01:12:51,075 ROBERT VAZQUEZ-PACHECO: The AIDS activists went from being the adversaries 1204 01:12:51,533 --> 01:12:53,410 to actually the people who were sitting down 1205 01:12:53,494 --> 01:12:55,662 at the table with us discussing what is happening. 1206 01:12:56,914 --> 01:13:01,835 And that is a huge shift. That changed everything. 1207 01:13:02,378 --> 01:13:06,423 We were able to redesign clinical trials for HIV. 1208 01:13:07,591 --> 01:13:11,095 Black people, Brown people, pregnant women, 1209 01:13:11,220 --> 01:13:13,472 young people were included. 1210 01:13:13,931 --> 01:13:17,601 I'm putting myself at your disposal now. If I don't have an answer for it... 1211 01:13:17,684 --> 01:13:19,937 ED BRADLEY: And your thinking, has it changed your approach 1212 01:13:20,062 --> 01:13:21,688 to research on life threatening disease? 1213 01:13:21,772 --> 01:13:24,650 Rather than a real abrupt change, I think it's an evolution. 1214 01:13:25,818 --> 01:13:31,115 You try harder to put yourself into the position of a patient. 1215 01:13:33,075 --> 01:13:35,911 DAVID: This whole notion of understanding that we have a value 1216 01:13:36,537 --> 01:13:37,830 in those discussions 1217 01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:41,834 changed the shape of clinical research and drug development. 1218 01:13:42,251 --> 01:13:44,420 And it went well beyond AIDS. 1219 01:13:44,628 --> 01:13:46,839 -What do we want? -A cure! 1220 01:13:47,005 --> 01:13:49,049 -When do we want it? -Now! 1221 01:13:51,009 --> 01:13:53,887 DAVID: Now it happens in cancer and it happens in Alzheimer's 1222 01:13:54,012 --> 01:13:56,557 and it happens in all these different disease areas. 1223 01:13:58,851 --> 01:14:00,394 Science has realized 1224 01:14:00,519 --> 01:14:02,980 you need to include these voices in the process 1225 01:14:03,063 --> 01:14:05,065 because it makes for better science. 1226 01:14:06,483 --> 01:14:09,611 And Tony is the one who opened that door. 1227 01:14:10,487 --> 01:14:13,991 We're the ones who knocked on that door and pushed that door 1228 01:14:14,199 --> 01:14:15,534 and barged our way in. 1229 01:14:15,742 --> 01:14:18,120 But Tony understood the value of it early on. 1230 01:14:18,203 --> 01:14:21,457 (AUDIENCE APPLAUDS, CHEERS) 1231 01:14:22,291 --> 01:14:26,253 DR. FAUCI: The difference now is that divisiveness 1232 01:14:26,670 --> 01:14:30,007 is dominating COVID-19. 1233 01:14:32,301 --> 01:14:35,304 I don't see them ever clapping together. 1234 01:14:36,054 --> 01:14:37,598 I think we're gonna get through it. 1235 01:14:39,433 --> 01:14:45,772 But we're gonna get through it in spite of this divisiveness 1236 01:14:45,939 --> 01:14:47,983 and this politicization. 1237 01:14:48,817 --> 01:14:51,987 We're not gonna get through it because of it. 1238 01:15:02,706 --> 01:15:05,292 (PHONE RINGING) 1239 01:15:08,003 --> 01:15:10,714 -DR. FAUCI: Peter! -PETER: Hey. How are you? 1240 01:15:11,673 --> 01:15:13,008 DR. FAUCI: Oh, I'm all right. 1241 01:15:13,550 --> 01:15:18,055 These fucking dark web people 1242 01:15:18,138 --> 01:15:19,890 -are really, really getting bad. -PETER: All right. 1243 01:15:19,973 --> 01:15:22,601 They're really, really harassing Chris. 1244 01:15:22,893 --> 01:15:27,606 One of them called up... with violent threats, 1245 01:15:27,940 --> 01:15:30,192 like eight times today on her cell phone 1246 01:15:30,317 --> 01:15:32,569 until she figured I've got to just change my cell phone. 1247 01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:37,908 You know, they're harassing my daughters constantly, 1248 01:15:37,991 --> 01:15:40,077 which it really bothers me more than anything else. 1249 01:15:40,619 --> 01:15:43,247 PETER: Remind her that almost all of them are cowards. 1250 01:15:43,455 --> 01:15:44,665 -Yeah. -PETER: All just... 1251 01:15:44,957 --> 01:15:47,125 Well, that's what my Secret Service detail says. 1252 01:15:47,209 --> 01:15:48,293 -They say... I mean... -PETER: Yeah. 1253 01:15:48,377 --> 01:15:50,212 Because they have a lot of experience with this. 1254 01:15:50,587 --> 01:15:52,923 And, you know, they don't want to make light of it, 1255 01:15:53,048 --> 01:15:56,301 but they say that most of them are just a bunch of fricking cowards. 1256 01:15:57,219 --> 01:16:00,055 PETER: They want to scare you all. 1257 01:16:00,138 --> 01:16:02,349 -Right. -PETER: They want you to back down. 1258 01:16:02,474 --> 01:16:03,600 Right. 1259 01:16:04,226 --> 01:16:07,479 (SOFT MUSIC PLAYING) 1260 01:16:07,646 --> 01:16:12,067 When COVID hit, at first, it was like, oh, my God, 1261 01:16:12,234 --> 01:16:15,153 give Tony space while he does his thing. 1262 01:16:15,487 --> 01:16:17,197 Uh, don't overwhelm him. 1263 01:16:17,906 --> 01:16:19,783 Let's try to figure out what's going wrong. 1264 01:16:20,659 --> 01:16:26,164 And then when he became this target, 1265 01:16:26,456 --> 01:16:28,250 I just kept checking in. 1266 01:16:31,503 --> 01:16:33,088 (ENGINE STARTING) 1267 01:16:33,380 --> 01:16:37,342 JENNY: For me and my sisters this was really, really new territory. 1268 01:16:38,260 --> 01:16:42,264 We heard about what he went through in the HIV AIDS pandemic. 1269 01:16:43,765 --> 01:16:46,560 Like seeing signs, you know, "Fauci is a murderer." 1270 01:16:47,853 --> 01:16:50,606 And I remember asking him, like, "Is this what it was like? 1271 01:16:50,731 --> 01:16:54,234 "Was I just not old enough to understand, but this is actually what it was like?" 1272 01:16:54,735 --> 01:16:57,195 And, you know, his response is something like, 1273 01:16:57,654 --> 01:17:00,991 "You can't even compare the two. This is so beyond the beyond." 1274 01:17:04,244 --> 01:17:06,371 DR. FAUCI: The whole atmosphere... 1275 01:17:07,039 --> 01:17:11,251 strains your concept of what normality is. 1276 01:17:14,713 --> 01:17:16,923 You know, and just when you think everything is okay, 1277 01:17:17,007 --> 01:17:19,217 I was sitting at my desk and I opened up a letter 1278 01:17:19,384 --> 01:17:21,178 and a puff of powder came up. 1279 01:17:22,179 --> 01:17:26,183 It was on my shirt, my tie, my pants, my hands and my chin. 1280 01:17:26,767 --> 01:17:28,393 The first thing I thought of was, 1281 01:17:28,518 --> 01:17:30,979 "Holy shit, why did I open up this letter?" 1282 01:17:32,814 --> 01:17:36,652 And then the options started to crystallize in my mind. 1283 01:17:37,694 --> 01:17:40,572 One, it's a hoax. 1284 01:17:41,114 --> 01:17:45,702 Two, it's anthrax and I'm gonna get sick, 1285 01:17:45,786 --> 01:17:47,996 but I'm gonna take Cipro and I'm gonna be okay. 1286 01:17:48,538 --> 01:17:52,501 Or three, it's Ricin and I'm freakin' dead. 1287 01:17:58,090 --> 01:18:00,884 Fortunately, it turned out to be a hoax. 1288 01:18:02,219 --> 01:18:05,013 JENNY: My sisters and I were really worried. 1289 01:18:06,348 --> 01:18:08,642 And that was... 1290 01:18:09,685 --> 01:18:12,979 It continues to be really disturbing, really unsettling. 1291 01:18:17,526 --> 01:18:20,070 I don't understand the hate that people have. 1292 01:18:20,570 --> 01:18:23,657 And the hate that leads them to do something 1293 01:18:23,824 --> 01:18:25,784 that could hurt somebody or kill somebody. 1294 01:18:26,076 --> 01:18:31,957 I mean, it sort of... reduces my trust in humanity 1295 01:18:32,708 --> 01:18:35,711 in a way that is probably impossible to measure. 1296 01:18:35,794 --> 01:18:37,462 But certainly, I felt it. 1297 01:18:49,683 --> 01:18:50,934 (GRUNTS) 1298 01:19:08,910 --> 01:19:13,457 I never, for a moment, thought that I should resign. 1299 01:19:14,708 --> 01:19:17,127 I just never thought about it. 1300 01:19:21,131 --> 01:19:22,591 I just said to myself... 1301 01:19:23,550 --> 01:19:26,303 focus on what you're trying to do. 1302 01:19:29,181 --> 01:19:34,186 Is what you're trying to do more important than all of this other peripheral crap? 1303 01:19:36,271 --> 01:19:40,358 If it is, just focus like a laser and go for it. 1304 01:19:42,944 --> 01:19:43,987 Okay. 1305 01:19:44,571 --> 01:19:47,073 I just realized that I haven't had a good night's sleep 1306 01:19:47,199 --> 01:19:48,533 in a very, very long time. 1307 01:19:48,825 --> 01:19:52,871 I'm waiting until the first person enters into the phase three trial... 1308 01:19:52,996 --> 01:19:54,164 (MAN LAUGHING) 1309 01:19:54,247 --> 01:19:56,541 ...and then, I'll have a good night's sleep, so. 1310 01:19:57,125 --> 01:19:58,835 FEMALE VOICE: That will be Moderna, mRNA. 1311 01:19:59,002 --> 01:20:01,671 No, no. I know that, but I'm holding my breath 1312 01:20:02,297 --> 01:20:03,507 until that happens. 1313 01:20:04,549 --> 01:20:06,468 It must be something psychological. 1314 01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:10,096 I keep waking up at 2:30 'til quarter to three in the morning. 1315 01:20:12,057 --> 01:20:16,061 DR. FAUCI: Despite this extraordinary divisiveness... 1316 01:20:16,853 --> 01:20:20,232 it was very clear we were dealing with a common enemy 1317 01:20:20,774 --> 01:20:23,401 and the common enemy was the virus. 1318 01:20:25,445 --> 01:20:29,950 I really do hope that somehow or other there is a realization 1319 01:20:30,325 --> 01:20:33,036 that we can't go on this way, 1320 01:20:33,370 --> 01:20:37,374 because it's a lesson that will be, I think, important for us 1321 01:20:37,582 --> 01:20:39,793 to adequately respond to the next outbreak, 1322 01:20:39,918 --> 01:20:42,087 which inevitably will occur. 1323 01:20:42,212 --> 01:20:46,466 Maybe not in my lifetime, maybe it will, but it will occur. 1324 01:20:50,262 --> 01:20:54,140 My dad said on TV, on the radio, to me, to my mom, 1325 01:20:54,266 --> 01:20:57,727 to my sisters, like, "We're gonna get through it." 1326 01:20:58,270 --> 01:21:01,523 And he's held that with him through this whole thing, 1327 01:21:01,940 --> 01:21:04,568 when so many people, the whole country, 1328 01:21:04,651 --> 01:21:07,070 so many of us have struggled to think, are we ever gonna get through this thing? 1329 01:21:07,696 --> 01:21:10,156 -Are you all set? -MALE VOICE: I know. 1330 01:21:10,282 --> 01:21:12,409 JENNY: Somehow he's been able to hold onto that 1331 01:21:12,492 --> 01:21:17,247 because he's lived in times where it felt like a thing couldn't end. 1332 01:21:18,915 --> 01:21:20,584 (KEYBOARD KEYS CLATTERING) 1333 01:21:24,254 --> 01:21:26,631 (MUSIC PLAYING) 1334 01:21:27,132 --> 01:21:29,384 BROKAW: The search for an AIDS vaccine... 1335 01:21:29,885 --> 01:21:31,636 that hope now has dimmed. 1336 01:21:32,095 --> 01:21:35,974 More than a decade into the AIDS epidemic, we're still nowhere close to a cure. 1337 01:21:36,725 --> 01:21:38,768 KEN ARMINGTON: Since the late '80s, we've seen 1338 01:21:38,852 --> 01:21:40,145 pretty splashy reports in the media 1339 01:21:40,270 --> 01:21:42,272 about drugs that worked well in the test tube 1340 01:21:42,522 --> 01:21:45,650 and then find out in a few months that they did not work in people. 1341 01:21:46,943 --> 01:21:49,446 FEMALE REPORTER: This is the bitter new reality of AIDS. 1342 01:21:49,821 --> 01:21:53,074 There are more drugs around to prolong patients' lives, 1343 01:21:53,491 --> 01:21:56,286 but their deaths are more excruciating than ever. 1344 01:21:56,912 --> 01:21:59,748 The biomedical research community is suffering, 1345 01:21:59,956 --> 01:22:01,583 for not having solved the problem. 1346 01:22:02,083 --> 01:22:04,753 Our country says, "Why can't you guys do this?" 1347 01:22:05,712 --> 01:22:07,756 DR. FAUCI: It is conceivable that we will never get a vaccine. 1348 01:22:07,839 --> 01:22:09,549 I think we have to face that reality. 1349 01:22:09,633 --> 01:22:11,468 People sometimes hesitate to talk about that 1350 01:22:11,551 --> 01:22:14,346 because it gets taken out of context and people say well, they're giving up. 1351 01:22:14,429 --> 01:22:15,639 No-one is giving up. 1352 01:22:19,434 --> 01:22:21,269 DR. FAUCI: There were a number of studies that were going on 1353 01:22:21,353 --> 01:22:23,521 that were funded by my institute. 1354 01:22:24,564 --> 01:22:27,359 We had gradual progress... 1355 01:22:28,193 --> 01:22:30,070 but never the home run. 1356 01:22:31,488 --> 01:22:35,659 And then, in 1996, there are a couple of studies 1357 01:22:36,034 --> 01:22:42,207 that incorporated protease inhibitors as one of three drugs 1358 01:22:42,624 --> 01:22:44,167 that were given in combination. 1359 01:22:44,501 --> 01:22:45,794 On Close Up this morning, 1360 01:22:45,877 --> 01:22:48,088 reports of possible new treatments for AIDS. 1361 01:22:48,213 --> 01:22:50,799 ELIZABETH KALEDIN: AIDS drugs known as protease inhibitors 1362 01:22:50,882 --> 01:22:54,511 may actually eliminate the AIDS virus in human tissue. 1363 01:22:56,429 --> 01:22:58,932 I'd had the pneumonias and I was getting skinnier... 1364 01:22:59,641 --> 01:23:01,518 and I didn't have much fight left in me. 1365 01:23:02,227 --> 01:23:06,022 And I got down here with NIH in 1995 1366 01:23:06,606 --> 01:23:08,942 and I was one of the first people in the country 1367 01:23:09,067 --> 01:23:10,360 that was given the cocktail. 1368 01:23:11,069 --> 01:23:13,738 And seven days later, my numbers had started to change. 1369 01:23:14,698 --> 01:23:17,033 And my T cells started to rise and... 1370 01:23:18,952 --> 01:23:20,954 my viral burden started to go down. 1371 01:23:23,623 --> 01:23:25,166 I just need a second. Uh... 1372 01:23:30,338 --> 01:23:32,590 (SIGHS) Um... 1373 01:23:36,344 --> 01:23:38,054 That was the moment that changed my life. 1374 01:23:41,057 --> 01:23:43,268 I started getting better. 1375 01:23:46,855 --> 01:23:50,025 LAURIE: Immune systems are restoring back to normalcy, 1376 01:23:50,483 --> 01:23:52,152 the virus is disappearing. 1377 01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:55,447 It's gotten to levels so low, it can't even be found. 1378 01:23:55,697 --> 01:23:57,741 It's called the AIDS cocktail. 1379 01:23:57,991 --> 01:24:01,536 And the success of the cocktail is the first real sign 1380 01:24:01,619 --> 01:24:04,372 that the AIDS epidemic may not be invincible. 1381 01:24:05,582 --> 01:24:08,168 CLIFF: It really was, like, the most amazing thing 1382 01:24:08,668 --> 01:24:12,422 to go from a physician to terminally ill patients 1383 01:24:12,839 --> 01:24:15,341 to a physician who could prevent people from dying. 1384 01:24:16,885 --> 01:24:19,971 DR. FAUCI: It's the best we've seen thus far with any drugs. 1385 01:24:20,722 --> 01:24:22,015 The effects are profound. 1386 01:24:22,098 --> 01:24:26,144 I'm certain they're going to be translated into positive clinical benefits. 1387 01:24:26,561 --> 01:24:29,022 DAVID SANFORD: I no longer feel as though I'm dying, I no longer crave it. 1388 01:24:29,105 --> 01:24:32,275 I don't have contingency plans to end my life. 1389 01:24:32,358 --> 01:24:36,738 I'm not in that mode at all. I'm back among the living. 1390 01:24:37,113 --> 01:24:39,074 I'm a grandmother, but that's only one grandchild. 1391 01:24:39,157 --> 01:24:41,034 I still have two other children that don't have children. 1392 01:24:41,367 --> 01:24:42,952 You know, I want a house full. 1393 01:24:43,369 --> 01:24:46,164 And if I keep taking my medicine I'm gonna be here 1394 01:24:46,247 --> 01:24:48,166 to rock every single one of them on my lap. 1395 01:24:48,249 --> 01:24:52,712 It's nice to have new things down the road to look forward to. 1396 01:24:52,879 --> 01:24:55,131 Yeah, I feel like I'm 16 again, it's great. (LAUGHS) 1397 01:24:56,007 --> 01:24:58,301 Every birthday since I've been 35... 1398 01:24:59,511 --> 01:25:01,596 there isn't one birthday, not one, 1399 01:25:02,347 --> 01:25:06,684 that I don't thank him for what he has done for me. 1400 01:25:14,025 --> 01:25:19,697 My dad turned 80 this year and it was the first birthday, 1401 01:25:19,781 --> 01:25:23,034 Christmas Eve, Christmas that we weren't all together. 1402 01:25:25,578 --> 01:25:27,330 Since I was a little kid, 1403 01:25:27,455 --> 01:25:29,040 I've often taken the role of... 1404 01:25:30,917 --> 01:25:33,628 you know, telling him, like, "You have to take a break. 1405 01:25:33,753 --> 01:25:35,797 "You have to slow down. You have to take care of yourself." 1406 01:25:37,215 --> 01:25:40,260 But I saw that as long as the COVID pandemic 1407 01:25:40,677 --> 01:25:43,096 was happening, he was gonna be all in. 1408 01:25:44,264 --> 01:25:48,768 So, I tried to be there for him in a different kind of way from afar. 1409 01:25:50,311 --> 01:25:54,232 Checking in with him, calling him, sending him text messages of birds, 1410 01:25:54,357 --> 01:25:57,193 sending him pictures of my dog. Something to keep him going. 1411 01:26:00,029 --> 01:26:02,907 DR. FAUCI: Right now, what I'm going through... 1412 01:26:03,950 --> 01:26:07,912 is kind of like a diabolical repeat... 1413 01:26:08,872 --> 01:26:13,960 of what went on back when they were children growing up. 1414 01:26:14,961 --> 01:26:21,134 But now they're adults and they see what I'm going through... 1415 01:26:21,968 --> 01:26:23,428 and what Chris is going through. 1416 01:26:24,387 --> 01:26:30,768 And... they are just amazingly supportive 1417 01:26:31,227 --> 01:26:32,437 and proud. 1418 01:26:33,438 --> 01:26:36,774 -CHRISTINE: Hi, Ali. -DR. FAUCI: Hey, Ali, babe. Hey, Jane. 1419 01:26:37,108 --> 01:26:38,943 -CHRISTINE: Megan's there too. -DR. FAUCI: Hey, Megan D. 1420 01:26:39,402 --> 01:26:42,197 Hi, sweet thing. I love you. 1421 01:26:42,780 --> 01:26:44,073 -I love you too. -DR. FAUCI: Take care. 1422 01:26:44,866 --> 01:26:46,284 I wish you guys were here. 1423 01:26:49,454 --> 01:26:51,164 (WATER RUNNING) 1424 01:26:51,497 --> 01:26:54,167 JENNY: As much as I've given my dad a hard time my whole life, 1425 01:26:54,792 --> 01:26:59,214 I'm so grateful to see an example of what it means 1426 01:26:59,422 --> 01:27:03,301 to stay committed to who you are and stay committed to what you believe in. 1427 01:27:03,468 --> 01:27:06,638 (BELL RINGING) 1428 01:27:10,266 --> 01:27:11,351 DR. FAUCI: With HIV AIDS, 1429 01:27:11,684 --> 01:27:14,687 when we finally nailed down the triple combination 1430 01:27:14,771 --> 01:27:17,565 that brought down the level of virus to below detectable, 1431 01:27:17,941 --> 01:27:19,817 it was close to euphoria. 1432 01:27:21,069 --> 01:27:22,320 People were going back 1433 01:27:22,403 --> 01:27:27,367 to what turned out to be a semi normal existence. 1434 01:27:27,742 --> 01:27:32,747 But that then shined a bright light on the disparity 1435 01:27:33,206 --> 01:27:35,959 between the developed world and the developing world. 1436 01:27:36,167 --> 01:27:39,462 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 1437 01:27:48,012 --> 01:27:49,514 PETER MUGYENYI: 1438 01:28:10,660 --> 01:28:15,123 BONO: Inequality raises its head in many different ways in our world. 1439 01:28:15,623 --> 01:28:18,209 HIV AIDS, it was very clear... 1440 01:28:19,043 --> 01:28:21,754 we could get those pills for those people or not. 1441 01:28:22,964 --> 01:28:26,301 What would that cost to give patients the drugs that they need? 1442 01:28:26,634 --> 01:28:28,553 Six hundred US dollars per month. 1443 01:28:28,803 --> 01:28:30,972 And a man like this, how much would he make a month? 1444 01:28:31,097 --> 01:28:33,016 Maybe five, ten dollars. 1445 01:28:33,349 --> 01:28:34,684 MUGYENYI: 1446 01:28:48,031 --> 01:28:52,327 TOM: The perspective was, we'll never be able to do that in Africa, 1447 01:28:52,410 --> 01:28:54,203 for all sorts of crazy reasons. 1448 01:28:54,829 --> 01:28:57,206 Not enough money, people wouldn't take medications, 1449 01:28:57,332 --> 01:28:58,374 it's impossible. 1450 01:28:58,499 --> 01:29:01,711 These drugs have to be administered during a certain sequence 1451 01:29:01,878 --> 01:29:03,087 at a time during the day 1452 01:29:03,338 --> 01:29:05,006 and when you say, "Take it at ten o'clock." 1453 01:29:05,131 --> 01:29:07,425 People will say, "What do you mean by ten o'clock?" 1454 01:29:08,217 --> 01:29:10,011 If you've traveled rural Africa, you know this. 1455 01:29:10,136 --> 01:29:12,263 This is not a criticism, just a different world. 1456 01:29:12,722 --> 01:29:14,974 People do not know what watches and clocks are. 1457 01:29:15,058 --> 01:29:19,479 They do not use Western means for telling the time. They use the sun. 1458 01:29:21,981 --> 01:29:25,276 GEORGE BUSH: Early in my Administration, Condi Rice said "Mr. President, 1459 01:29:25,401 --> 01:29:29,322 "are you aware there's a pandemic destroying an entire generation of people 1460 01:29:29,405 --> 01:29:30,698 in the continent of Africa?" 1461 01:29:31,449 --> 01:29:33,242 I said, "We need to do something about it." 1462 01:29:33,951 --> 01:29:37,580 People in my Administration whose judgment I trust said, you know, 1463 01:29:37,705 --> 01:29:38,706 "Unleash Fauci." 1464 01:29:41,334 --> 01:29:43,753 Tony Fauci doesn't come in the Oval Office and say, 1465 01:29:43,836 --> 01:29:46,047 "I'm gonna make you look good politically." 1466 01:29:47,423 --> 01:29:48,800 He's not a politician. 1467 01:29:50,802 --> 01:29:54,347 Tony Fauci says, "I think we can solve this problem. 1468 01:29:54,722 --> 01:29:55,848 "Here are the facts, 1469 01:29:56,015 --> 01:29:58,684 and here's my recommendation for a way forward." 1470 01:30:00,645 --> 01:30:04,107 DR. FAUCI: So, President Bush told me, "Go to Africa 1471 01:30:04,190 --> 01:30:07,902 and scout it out. See if there's something that we can do." 1472 01:30:11,447 --> 01:30:15,326 DR. FAUCI: In Uganda, what we saw was, I believe, 1473 01:30:15,410 --> 01:30:18,204 what many people think would not be able to be effected... 1474 01:30:18,329 --> 01:30:22,625 ...and that is groups of volunteers on motorcycles and jeeps 1475 01:30:22,834 --> 01:30:28,047 going into the very, very rural areas, into the homes of people 1476 01:30:28,214 --> 01:30:30,299 and delivering drugs. 1477 01:30:30,716 --> 01:30:32,176 MUGYENYI: 1478 01:30:39,392 --> 01:30:42,353 DR. FAUCI: I remember going into a thatched hut. 1479 01:30:42,854 --> 01:30:44,147 "How are you doing?" "Fine." 1480 01:30:44,397 --> 01:30:47,567 "You're taking your medicines?" "Yes, I'm taking them very regularly." 1481 01:30:47,900 --> 01:30:49,902 "You understand what the medicine is doing?" 1482 01:30:50,611 --> 01:30:53,948 "Yes, it's blocking the virus that's killing my CD4 cells." 1483 01:30:54,282 --> 01:30:56,033 Like, what? (LAUGHS) 1484 01:30:57,493 --> 01:31:00,121 All of this stuff that people were saying, 1485 01:31:00,204 --> 01:31:03,332 that Africans don't have whatever it is it takes 1486 01:31:03,916 --> 01:31:07,253 to understand the importance of taking their drug regularly 1487 01:31:07,628 --> 01:31:11,048 was clearly, you know, unmitigated bullshit. 1488 01:31:12,717 --> 01:31:18,890 We put together a model that was a phenomenally expanded version 1489 01:31:19,307 --> 01:31:21,184 of what Peter Mugyenyi was already doing. 1490 01:31:21,976 --> 01:31:25,897 He had people delivering drugs that weren't even nurses 1491 01:31:26,022 --> 01:31:30,610 on motorcycles into the bush. You know, hundreds of miles away. 1492 01:31:31,068 --> 01:31:32,778 And people would take the drug. 1493 01:31:32,862 --> 01:31:35,406 They knew what they were doing. You could get their viral load down. 1494 01:31:35,698 --> 01:31:37,575 All you needed to do was to give them the drugs. 1495 01:31:38,910 --> 01:31:44,624 So, I put forth to the president a 15 billion dollar program called PEPFAR. 1496 01:31:45,458 --> 01:31:48,794 The President's Emergency Plan For AIDS Relief. 1497 01:31:50,087 --> 01:31:52,673 I ask the Congress to commit 15 billion dollars 1498 01:31:52,757 --> 01:31:54,091 over the next five years, 1499 01:31:54,425 --> 01:31:56,969 including nearly ten billion dollars in new money 1500 01:31:57,512 --> 01:32:01,390 to turn the tide against AIDS in the most afflicted nations of Africa 1501 01:32:01,557 --> 01:32:02,642 and the Caribbean. 1502 01:32:03,434 --> 01:32:06,854 (AUDIENCE APPLAUD) 1503 01:32:07,230 --> 01:32:13,694 Fifteen billion dollars. Boom! It was just the most magnificent moment, 1504 01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:17,198 uh, because I knew what that really meant. 1505 01:32:18,866 --> 01:32:20,910 MUGYENYI: 1506 01:32:34,924 --> 01:32:38,302 DR. FAUCI: We're talking about preventing seven million infections. 1507 01:32:38,386 --> 01:32:42,640 In other words, seven million people who otherwise would have gotten infected 1508 01:32:42,723 --> 01:32:44,934 and with no therapy would have died. 1509 01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:48,437 MUGYENYI: 1510 01:32:57,029 --> 01:32:59,073 FEMALE VOICE: 1511 01:33:04,495 --> 01:33:07,373 BILL GATES: PEPFAR was a huge milestone, 1512 01:33:07,498 --> 01:33:10,668 this, you know, miraculous AIDS intervention 1513 01:33:10,793 --> 01:33:15,131 that... continues to save tens of millions of lives. 1514 01:33:15,798 --> 01:33:18,801 TOM: It's the largest bilateral program in health 1515 01:33:18,968 --> 01:33:20,511 ever created anywhere 1516 01:33:20,595 --> 01:33:24,432 and Tony was an early architect of it and it changed the world. 1517 01:33:25,433 --> 01:33:31,147 BONO: Tony's been made the size of the tasks he takes on. 1518 01:33:31,439 --> 01:33:36,527 He becomes the size of the challenge he faces each time. 1519 01:33:38,404 --> 01:33:42,033 AIDS is one of the most devastating scourges in human history. 1520 01:33:42,575 --> 01:33:46,412 The US President's Emergency Plan For AIDS Relief has done heroic work 1521 01:33:46,495 --> 01:33:49,248 in making AIDS drugs available to those who need them. 1522 01:33:49,832 --> 01:33:53,294 Striving for universal access to AIDS therapies 1523 01:33:53,377 --> 01:33:58,841 is a public health and moral imperative that should be embraced by all. 1524 01:33:58,966 --> 01:34:03,054 (AUDIENCE APPLAUD) 1525 01:34:03,638 --> 01:34:09,018 I mean that, to me, is, you know, one of the great success stories 1526 01:34:09,101 --> 01:34:10,436 in all of medicine. 1527 01:34:12,313 --> 01:34:14,565 When you have a global pandemic, 1528 01:34:14,982 --> 01:34:19,028 you absolutely need a global solution. 1529 01:34:21,697 --> 01:34:24,533 To think that you can take care of yourself 1530 01:34:24,784 --> 01:34:28,871 without taking care of the rest of the world is just folly. 1531 01:34:37,046 --> 01:34:40,925 (SOFT MUSIC PLAYING) 1532 01:34:42,843 --> 01:34:47,723 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 1533 01:34:51,727 --> 01:34:55,898 DR. FAUCI: What the NIH has accomplished, can accomplish and will accomplish, 1534 01:34:56,482 --> 01:34:59,819 to me, that's the embodiment of the American spirit. 1535 01:35:00,695 --> 01:35:05,825 The experience that you can do anything if you put your mind to it, anything. 1536 01:35:06,200 --> 01:35:07,993 -FEMALE VOICE: Hi, Dr. Azar. -DR. FAUCI: Hi, guys. 1537 01:35:08,285 --> 01:35:11,038 -Hi, Dr. Fauci. -These are out health care workers. 1538 01:35:11,122 --> 01:35:12,915 -Good morning, Dr. Fauci. -DR. FAUCI: How are you doing? 1539 01:35:13,290 --> 01:35:15,042 -Good. How are you? -And one behind us here. 1540 01:35:15,126 --> 01:35:16,127 DR. FAUCI: I'm good. 1541 01:35:16,252 --> 01:35:17,420 (WOMEN LAUGHING) 1542 01:35:17,545 --> 01:35:20,673 And I have to take one with you. My daughter will kill me if I don't. 1543 01:35:21,298 --> 01:35:25,553 DR. FAUCI: Having lived through this extraordinary, historic experience, 1544 01:35:25,761 --> 01:35:31,642 it just confirms it's always the sustained investment in science 1545 01:35:32,101 --> 01:35:33,853 that rises to the occasion. 1546 01:35:34,353 --> 01:35:37,565 COLLEEN MCGOWEN: It is fitting that we gather here today on NIH campus 1547 01:35:38,065 --> 01:35:41,277 to administer vaccines designed to battle COVID-19. 1548 01:35:42,153 --> 01:35:46,115 DR. FAUCI: The young people in medicine really need to understand 1549 01:35:46,240 --> 01:35:47,408 what is possible 1550 01:35:48,325 --> 01:35:53,622 when the biomedical research community of this country and the world 1551 01:35:54,123 --> 01:35:59,336 decides that they're going after a problem in a very serious way. 1552 01:35:59,920 --> 01:36:01,964 COLLEEN: Next we have Dr. Tony Fauci. 1553 01:36:02,131 --> 01:36:04,884 (AUDIENCE APPLAUD) 1554 01:36:05,301 --> 01:36:06,510 COLLEEN: Many in our nation are saying 1555 01:36:06,635 --> 01:36:09,430 if Dr. Fauci gets the vaccine, I'm gonna get the vaccine. 1556 01:36:09,555 --> 01:36:11,390 So, tell us a little bit why it's important? 1557 01:36:12,016 --> 01:36:14,393 DR. FAUCI: Well, to me, it's important for two reasons. 1558 01:36:14,518 --> 01:36:18,606 One is that I'm an attending physician here on the staff 1559 01:36:18,689 --> 01:36:20,858 at the National Institutes of Health Clinical Center 1560 01:36:21,275 --> 01:36:25,029 and so I do see patients. But, as important, or more important, 1561 01:36:25,154 --> 01:36:29,575 is as a symbol to the rest of the country that I feel extreme confidence 1562 01:36:30,159 --> 01:36:32,495 in the safety and the efficacy of this vaccine 1563 01:36:32,620 --> 01:36:35,956 and I want to encourage everyone who has the opportunity 1564 01:36:36,248 --> 01:36:40,085 to get vaccinated so that we can have a veil of protection over this country 1565 01:36:40,377 --> 01:36:41,921 that would end this pandemic. 1566 01:36:47,176 --> 01:36:49,178 JUDY CHEN: Thank you, Dr. Fauci for coming today. 1567 01:36:51,514 --> 01:36:54,308 -Any last minute questions, concerns? -DR. FAUCI: No. 1568 01:36:57,812 --> 01:36:59,230 JUDY: Thank you so much. 1569 01:37:00,147 --> 01:37:02,733 -(AUDIENCE APPLAUD) -Bye, Dr. Fauci. 1570 01:37:02,900 --> 01:37:04,777 POPPY HARLOW: Dr. Fauci, you know him well, 1571 01:37:05,027 --> 01:37:07,655 getting this vaccine, saying how important it is 1572 01:37:07,780 --> 01:37:09,740 to show the American people it is safe. 1573 01:37:09,907 --> 01:37:12,618 ELIZABETH COHEN: What a moment for the man who played such a role 1574 01:37:12,785 --> 01:37:15,830 in developing this vaccine, to get the vaccine himself. 1575 01:37:16,497 --> 01:37:17,498 DR. FAUCI: Excellent. 1576 01:37:18,791 --> 01:37:19,792 APOORVA: In March 2020, 1577 01:37:19,875 --> 01:37:22,795 when we were first envisioning vaccines for this coronavirus, 1578 01:37:23,045 --> 01:37:25,840 nobody thought that we would have them by the end of the year. 1579 01:37:26,465 --> 01:37:27,591 ALEX AZAR: How do you feel, Tony? 1580 01:37:28,092 --> 01:37:29,343 DR. FAUCI: Nothing. Feeling good. 1581 01:37:29,885 --> 01:37:31,804 -DR. FAUCI: Feeling good. -ALEX: (LAUGHING) Excellent. 1582 01:37:32,429 --> 01:37:34,974 APOORVA: There have been many times in previous administrations 1583 01:37:35,057 --> 01:37:37,560 where people have not wanted to fund the NIH quite as much 1584 01:37:37,643 --> 01:37:40,437 because they thought, "well, this is just a bunch of scientists 1585 01:37:40,521 --> 01:37:43,774 doing lab work. How does that help the regular person?" 1586 01:37:44,149 --> 01:37:45,776 This is how it helps the regular person. 1587 01:37:46,986 --> 01:37:48,445 -PHOTOGRAPHER: Thank you. -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) 1588 01:37:48,571 --> 01:37:52,366 -(PEOPLE APPLAUD) -(SOFT MUSIC PLAYING) 1589 01:37:54,702 --> 01:37:59,331 SUSAN: A public servant is somebody who gives their skill, 1590 01:37:59,415 --> 01:38:05,296 their intellect, their experience to the people of the United States. 1591 01:38:06,589 --> 01:38:08,549 You don't do it because you want to make money, 1592 01:38:09,091 --> 01:38:13,012 you don't do it for the glory. You do it because you care. 1593 01:38:13,345 --> 01:38:17,850 (SOFT MUSIC PLAYING) 1594 01:38:51,675 --> 01:38:54,303 DR. FAUCI: The two most devastating pandemics 1595 01:38:54,428 --> 01:38:55,971 in the last 100 years 1596 01:38:56,305 --> 01:38:59,600 are, sort of, like bookends on my career and my life. 1597 01:39:04,229 --> 01:39:10,277 When you're involved in a race to stop a horrible disease... 1598 01:39:12,363 --> 01:39:17,117 you always feel you're not doing things quickly enough... or well enough. 1599 01:39:24,917 --> 01:39:29,129 You know, it just reminds me so much of when we were struggling 1600 01:39:29,213 --> 01:39:32,633 to develop effective therapies for HIV. 1601 01:39:35,761 --> 01:39:37,972 If we had just gotten it 1602 01:39:38,097 --> 01:39:40,975 a day earlier, a week earlier, a month earlier... 1603 01:39:41,684 --> 01:39:43,852 these number of people would not have died. 1604 01:39:55,114 --> 01:39:59,284 One of the most mysterious aspects of our universe 1605 01:39:59,576 --> 01:40:06,000 is how viruses have transformed our civilization. 1606 01:40:13,382 --> 01:40:16,427 There was a Nobel Prize-winning bacteriologist 1607 01:40:16,677 --> 01:40:21,432 named Joshua Lederberg, who says, "It's a never-ending battle 1608 01:40:21,765 --> 01:40:27,146 "between viruses' spectacular genetic capability, 1609 01:40:27,229 --> 01:40:28,731 "and our wits." 1610 01:40:38,365 --> 01:40:40,951 As someone at my age and my stage in life, 1611 01:40:41,827 --> 01:40:44,163 it's natural to look ahead and say, 1612 01:40:44,288 --> 01:40:46,790 "What are my children gonna be faced with?" 1613 01:40:48,042 --> 01:40:51,587 And the one thing I can hope for... really hope for, 1614 01:40:52,171 --> 01:40:57,468 is that emerging infections don't inevitably become pandemics. 1615 01:41:01,847 --> 01:41:05,517 I am optimistic that the lessons that we've learned 1616 01:41:06,310 --> 01:41:08,020 will prevent that from happening. 1617 01:41:15,694 --> 01:41:18,238 I hope that if historians look back... 1618 01:41:19,114 --> 01:41:22,076 if they ever would wanna look back... (LAUGHS) 1619 01:41:22,576 --> 01:41:25,287 ...at what I've done, and my life. 1620 01:41:26,789 --> 01:41:30,667 Maybe somebody says, "Hey, that guy was pretty good." 1621 01:41:33,128 --> 01:41:37,758 (SOFT MUSIC PLAYING)