1 00:00:07,094 --> 00:00:09,835 Narrator: Previously, on "The Thing About Pam"... 2 00:00:09,879 --> 00:00:12,925 [gasps] Ah! 3 00:00:12,969 --> 00:00:15,885 - Just give us our money, Pam. - Or we'll sue you. 4 00:00:15,928 --> 00:00:17,365 What deposition? 5 00:00:17,408 --> 00:00:19,758 The one for the girls' lawsuit against you. 6 00:00:19,802 --> 00:00:22,674 - Hi, this is DA Askey. - I'd like the sheriff's office 7 00:00:22,718 --> 00:00:25,329 to draw up a destruction of evidence order. 8 00:00:25,373 --> 00:00:26,765 How do you like working for her? 9 00:00:26,809 --> 00:00:29,116 - I don't work for Leah. - I work for the county. 10 00:00:29,159 --> 00:00:31,161 - Mike Wood. - You working in Troy? 11 00:00:31,205 --> 00:00:33,076 - The DA's office. - Nothing major. 12 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:34,686 The court finds the defendant, 13 00:00:34,730 --> 00:00:37,385 Russell Scott Faria, not guilty. 14 00:00:42,825 --> 00:00:46,089 So Mom's killer just gets to walk away and that's it? 15 00:00:47,656 --> 00:00:50,180 Looks like it. 16 00:00:50,224 --> 00:00:52,443 Well, this is what you wanted. 17 00:00:52,487 --> 00:00:55,664 I can't do anything without you. 18 00:00:55,707 --> 00:00:57,579 [screaming] 19 00:01:01,235 --> 00:01:04,151 [sinister music] 20 00:01:04,194 --> 00:01:10,679 ♪ 21 00:01:10,722 --> 00:01:14,509 Narrator: The past is a powerful thing. 22 00:01:19,122 --> 00:01:23,648 How it shapes us, changes us. 23 00:01:24,693 --> 00:01:29,741 And, of course, how it can inform the future. 24 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,231 Hey, what's all this? 25 00:01:41,275 --> 00:01:43,233 Um, it's money. 26 00:01:45,105 --> 00:01:48,151 - Whose? - Mine. 27 00:01:48,195 --> 00:01:49,457 From where? 28 00:01:49,500 --> 00:01:51,067 Do you still have that big suitcase? 29 00:01:51,111 --> 00:01:52,349 You know, the one with the tassels? 30 00:01:52,373 --> 00:01:53,374 I couldn't find it. 31 00:01:53,417 --> 00:01:56,333 Pam, do not do this. 32 00:01:56,377 --> 00:01:59,728 I just came from the house on Berrywood. 33 00:01:59,771 --> 00:02:01,773 I thought we were gonna make an offer. 34 00:02:01,817 --> 00:02:03,819 We... we were gonna make things work here. 35 00:02:03,862 --> 00:02:05,647 It's hot today, isn't it? 36 00:02:08,171 --> 00:02:09,781 It's hot every day. 37 00:02:09,825 --> 00:02:11,870 You really need to check out Berrywood. 38 00:02:11,914 --> 00:02:13,785 It's gonna go fast. 39 00:02:13,829 --> 00:02:18,834 See, that is the problem with Florida. 40 00:02:18,877 --> 00:02:20,531 It's always hot. 41 00:02:20,575 --> 00:02:22,446 I don't... I don't wanna wait till the holidays 42 00:02:22,490 --> 00:02:24,927 to move to Missouri. I wanna go now. 43 00:02:28,017 --> 00:02:31,542 - But we had a plan here. - Well, plans change. 44 00:02:31,586 --> 00:02:35,155 I changed my whole life to move to Florida for your baseball. 45 00:02:35,198 --> 00:02:37,461 We all know how that went. 46 00:02:39,681 --> 00:02:41,770 Okay, but does all this have something to do 47 00:02:41,813 --> 00:02:43,293 with all of that? 48 00:02:43,337 --> 00:02:46,078 Well, that's just wet cash. 49 00:02:46,122 --> 00:02:48,603 You always read into things. 50 00:02:48,646 --> 00:02:52,824 This is about what's best for us, okay? 51 00:02:52,868 --> 00:02:56,393 Okay. I just don't see what's the hurry. 52 00:02:56,437 --> 00:02:58,308 I need a change, okay? 53 00:02:58,352 --> 00:03:02,007 I wanna get away from all these people. 54 00:03:02,051 --> 00:03:03,574 What people? 55 00:03:03,618 --> 00:03:07,012 Ugh, Mrs. Fitzgerald and all of them, everybody. 56 00:03:07,056 --> 00:03:09,406 Isn't Mrs. Fitzgerald the one with the gout? 57 00:03:09,450 --> 00:03:10,625 I thought she already died. 58 00:03:10,668 --> 00:03:12,192 Yeah, and all of a sudden, 59 00:03:12,235 --> 00:03:14,106 her family's got some problem with me. 60 00:03:14,150 --> 00:03:16,326 They won't even let me plan the memorial service 61 00:03:16,370 --> 00:03:17,980 even though I got them an in 62 00:03:18,023 --> 00:03:21,592 with the hottest funeral director in Naples. 63 00:03:21,636 --> 00:03:23,420 Okay. 64 00:03:23,464 --> 00:03:26,336 We don't even have a place to live up in Missouri. 65 00:03:26,380 --> 00:03:28,860 We'll stay at my mom's. 66 00:03:28,904 --> 00:03:31,211 She said that Sarah is not allowed in her house. 67 00:03:31,254 --> 00:03:32,821 She disowned her. 68 00:03:32,864 --> 00:03:35,040 That's just Mom. 69 00:03:35,084 --> 00:03:37,521 Just, here, help me out. 70 00:03:39,088 --> 00:03:40,568 Here. 71 00:03:44,441 --> 00:03:47,575 [dryer whirring] 72 00:03:53,929 --> 00:03:56,888 [sinister music] 73 00:03:56,932 --> 00:04:00,544 ♪ 74 00:04:06,463 --> 00:04:08,770 Need to return this. Didn't have a tag. 75 00:04:08,813 --> 00:04:10,467 I don't know why it never had a tag. 76 00:04:10,511 --> 00:04:13,818 And I don't have the receipt neither. Sorry. 77 00:04:13,862 --> 00:04:16,386 We can only do store credit with no receipt. Is that okay? 78 00:04:16,430 --> 00:04:19,781 Mm. I bought this for my dog. 79 00:04:19,824 --> 00:04:23,001 He broke his legs. His back legs. Both of them. 80 00:04:23,045 --> 00:04:25,395 - Oh. - He has a little wheelie cart. 81 00:04:25,439 --> 00:04:28,790 You know those? So cute, but sad. 82 00:04:28,833 --> 00:04:31,271 Now, I just wanted him to have something nice, 83 00:04:31,314 --> 00:04:33,577 but it's too small. 84 00:04:33,621 --> 00:04:36,058 Look, it barely fits on my wrist. 85 00:04:36,101 --> 00:04:39,279 He's gained some weight. You know, because... 86 00:04:39,322 --> 00:04:40,976 - Right. - I paid cash for it. 87 00:04:41,019 --> 00:04:42,499 Can I have cash back? 88 00:04:42,543 --> 00:04:45,372 I'm sorry, it's policy. 89 00:04:45,415 --> 00:04:47,809 Well, can you talk to your manager? 90 00:04:47,852 --> 00:04:49,463 Or I can? 91 00:04:49,506 --> 00:04:51,769 Sure, no problem. 92 00:04:54,206 --> 00:04:56,948 [indistinct whispers] 93 00:04:56,992 --> 00:05:00,865 - Wait, that's Pam Hupp? - Like from the "Dateline" show? 94 00:05:00,909 --> 00:05:02,214 Yeah. 95 00:05:02,258 --> 00:05:03,781 Narrator: Here she was, 96 00:05:03,825 --> 00:05:06,697 the once anonymous housewife and mother, 97 00:05:06,741 --> 00:05:10,440 now the TV star, the talk of the town. 98 00:05:10,484 --> 00:05:13,400 The famous Pam Hupp. 99 00:05:13,443 --> 00:05:15,837 She killed that woman, right? 100 00:05:17,882 --> 00:05:22,539 Narrator: Was Pam realizing she might not be famous, 101 00:05:22,583 --> 00:05:25,325 so much as infamous? 102 00:05:33,333 --> 00:05:35,291 - How you doing, Mike? - Hey. 103 00:05:35,335 --> 00:05:36,640 Sorry I'm late. 104 00:05:36,684 --> 00:05:38,816 No, no, I appreciate you taking the time. 105 00:05:38,860 --> 00:05:42,167 - Of course. - Nate says hello, by the way. 106 00:05:42,211 --> 00:05:44,692 Oh, I owe him a beer. 107 00:05:44,735 --> 00:05:48,173 So I saw you in the latest "Dateline" piece. 108 00:05:48,217 --> 00:05:50,132 [chuckling] 109 00:05:50,175 --> 00:05:53,135 You still believe Pam Hupp was involved? 110 00:05:53,178 --> 00:05:55,398 Yeah, I always have. 111 00:05:55,442 --> 00:05:57,966 Unfortunately, my opinion, no matter how well supported, 112 00:05:58,009 --> 00:05:59,402 doesn't change anything. 113 00:05:59,446 --> 00:06:00,684 Unless, of course, you can convince 114 00:06:00,708 --> 00:06:03,145 Leah Askey to reopen the case. 115 00:06:03,188 --> 00:06:06,235 Yeah, I think she's rather swallow glass, to be honest. 116 00:06:06,278 --> 00:06:08,672 It's the truth. 117 00:06:08,716 --> 00:06:12,502 But what if I ran against her for DA? 118 00:06:14,461 --> 00:06:15,699 And what if the thing to get her out 119 00:06:15,723 --> 00:06:18,247 is doing exactly what you wanted? 120 00:06:18,290 --> 00:06:20,162 Showing who really did it. 121 00:06:20,205 --> 00:06:22,033 Pam Hupp. 122 00:06:22,077 --> 00:06:23,687 What else do you know? 123 00:06:23,731 --> 00:06:27,082 What else can you tell me? I want the facts to come out. 124 00:06:29,258 --> 00:06:31,391 We can talk about Pam, sure. 125 00:06:32,435 --> 00:06:34,872 But what else? 126 00:06:34,916 --> 00:06:36,047 That's it. 127 00:06:36,091 --> 00:06:38,049 That's it? 128 00:06:38,093 --> 00:06:41,139 You're gonna build an entire campaign around one person? 129 00:06:41,183 --> 00:06:42,706 An anti-Pam platform? 130 00:06:42,750 --> 00:06:44,273 No, I'm building it around the idea 131 00:06:44,316 --> 00:06:45,970 that one person hid the truth. 132 00:06:46,014 --> 00:06:48,320 That I'm the guy that can find it, prosecute it, 133 00:06:48,364 --> 00:06:50,932 and get real justice. 134 00:06:54,501 --> 00:06:55,763 Okay. 135 00:06:59,244 --> 00:07:01,072 So Pam. 136 00:07:03,335 --> 00:07:05,076 Pam. Where do I begin? 137 00:07:06,687 --> 00:07:08,166 And, I don't know, I just get 138 00:07:08,210 --> 00:07:09,864 this weird energy and stuff, you know? 139 00:07:09,907 --> 00:07:11,102 I don't know, I can't put my finger on it. 140 00:07:11,126 --> 00:07:12,780 But people were looking at me weird. 141 00:07:12,823 --> 00:07:15,173 I can't even make a return without getting chased out. 142 00:07:15,217 --> 00:07:16,629 Everybody's treating me like I killed Betsy 143 00:07:16,653 --> 00:07:18,438 'cause that's what the TV says. 144 00:07:18,481 --> 00:07:20,614 Hey, Mom, could you just...? 145 00:07:20,657 --> 00:07:23,660 The whole town has turned their backs on me. 146 00:07:23,704 --> 00:07:25,662 I think I'm gonna cry. 147 00:07:31,407 --> 00:07:32,756 Ugh. What? 148 00:07:36,064 --> 00:07:38,980 - Maybe we think about moving. - What? 149 00:07:40,416 --> 00:07:41,591 Whoa, whoa. 150 00:07:41,635 --> 00:07:43,854 Well, it's not just you. 151 00:07:43,898 --> 00:07:47,075 Travis and Sarah and I have been getting the blowback too. 152 00:07:47,945 --> 00:07:52,472 You all are being a big bunch of babies. 153 00:07:52,515 --> 00:07:54,735 I'm the one taking the hits here. 154 00:07:54,778 --> 00:07:58,086 And you don't see me running away, do you? 155 00:07:58,129 --> 00:08:00,784 And what would you have us do about Derby Road? 156 00:08:00,828 --> 00:08:02,569 It's a quick flip too. 157 00:08:02,612 --> 00:08:04,614 Sarah will buy it, as soon as we're done. 158 00:08:04,658 --> 00:08:06,050 I wouldn't count on that, Mom. 159 00:08:06,094 --> 00:08:08,139 Then we can buy up Greenleaf Street. 160 00:08:08,183 --> 00:08:10,707 There's a fixer-upper hitting the market in a month. 161 00:08:10,751 --> 00:08:13,754 I don't know. If you lose this insurance trial, 162 00:08:13,797 --> 00:08:16,583 we're gonna need the Derby money to pay Betsy's girls. 163 00:08:16,626 --> 00:08:20,848 - "If we lose." - You think I'm gonna lose? 164 00:08:20,891 --> 00:08:24,112 All I'm saying is when we came back from Florida, 165 00:08:24,155 --> 00:08:25,505 it was your idea. 166 00:08:25,548 --> 00:08:27,332 - Yeah. - A great one. 167 00:08:27,376 --> 00:08:30,597 We all got a fresh start and it worked out, right? 168 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,164 - Yeah. - Mm-hmm. Exactly. 169 00:08:33,208 --> 00:08:34,426 Yeah. 170 00:08:34,470 --> 00:08:37,865 - It's working out. - So why would we leave? 171 00:08:37,908 --> 00:08:40,345 You want to stay in Florida and keep flipping, remember? 172 00:08:40,389 --> 00:08:45,220 That's all's I'm saying now. Stay and flip. 173 00:08:45,263 --> 00:08:48,397 Hey, I'm on your side here. 174 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,792 So what's the problem? 175 00:08:51,835 --> 00:08:55,012 [sinister music] 176 00:08:55,056 --> 00:08:57,362 ♪ 177 00:08:57,406 --> 00:08:59,016 It's no problem. 178 00:09:16,512 --> 00:09:18,122 I'm telling you, it ain't. 179 00:09:18,166 --> 00:09:20,342 The coroner ruled it an accident. 180 00:09:20,385 --> 00:09:22,649 But her system had 14 times 181 00:09:22,692 --> 00:09:24,389 the recommended dosage of Ambien. 182 00:09:24,433 --> 00:09:27,088 Now, if Shirley had tripped and fallen into the railing, 183 00:09:27,131 --> 00:09:30,526 it would have been only 425 pounds of force max. 184 00:09:30,570 --> 00:09:33,921 But our engineering expert tells me that it would take 185 00:09:33,964 --> 00:09:37,228 at least 2,000 pounds of force to cause any damage. 186 00:09:37,272 --> 00:09:39,274 You think someone kicked off the railing 187 00:09:39,317 --> 00:09:40,536 to break it on purpose? 188 00:09:40,580 --> 00:09:42,669 Wait, well, we don't know who did what. 189 00:09:42,712 --> 00:09:44,235 But what we do know is this. 190 00:09:44,279 --> 00:09:46,368 Someone left a pitcher of water on Shirley's balcony 191 00:09:46,411 --> 00:09:49,284 as if she fell while watering her plants. 192 00:09:49,327 --> 00:09:51,242 But it was raining that day. 193 00:09:51,286 --> 00:09:52,766 And for the second time, 194 00:09:52,809 --> 00:09:55,682 Pam Hupp collected money when someone close to her died. 195 00:09:55,725 --> 00:09:58,293 $120,000 of Shirley's investments 196 00:09:58,336 --> 00:10:00,687 and a share of her life insurance policy. 197 00:10:00,730 --> 00:10:02,993 One theory is that Pam Hupp killed her friend 198 00:10:03,037 --> 00:10:05,648 and then her own mother, simply for the money. 199 00:10:11,567 --> 00:10:13,743 Pam was always here. 200 00:10:13,787 --> 00:10:15,266 Always taking care of Shirley, 201 00:10:15,310 --> 00:10:17,965 who wasn't an easy customer, let me tell you. 202 00:10:18,008 --> 00:10:20,402 - So she was attentive. - That's great. 203 00:10:20,445 --> 00:10:21,795 But did you find it curious 204 00:10:21,838 --> 00:10:24,101 when the night before Shirley's accident, 205 00:10:24,145 --> 00:10:27,539 Pam said Shirley wouldn't be down for dinner 206 00:10:27,583 --> 00:10:30,412 and not to worry about breakfast the next day either? 207 00:10:30,455 --> 00:10:32,806 No. Not at the time. 208 00:10:32,849 --> 00:10:34,634 May I ask why? 209 00:10:35,678 --> 00:10:38,986 She's just such a nice lady. 210 00:10:39,029 --> 00:10:41,815 That's what I keep hearing. 211 00:10:41,858 --> 00:10:44,339 I don't think she's so nice anymore though. 212 00:10:44,382 --> 00:10:47,255 I'm not sure what I think about Pam. 213 00:10:51,999 --> 00:10:55,219 Narrator: Pam was an avid reader of crime novels, 214 00:10:55,263 --> 00:10:57,395 a fascination that would intersect 215 00:10:57,439 --> 00:11:00,181 with her own reality. 216 00:11:00,224 --> 00:11:03,140 [phone ringing] 217 00:11:07,754 --> 00:11:11,018 Hi, it's Cathy Singer from "Dateline." 218 00:11:11,061 --> 00:11:13,194 - Hey, Cat. - Good to hear from you. 219 00:11:13,237 --> 00:11:14,717 How's Chicago? 220 00:11:14,761 --> 00:11:18,895 Well, actually, I'm wrapping things up here in Troy. 221 00:11:18,939 --> 00:11:20,723 Oh. You're in town. 222 00:11:20,767 --> 00:11:24,771 - Yeah, that's why I called. - I heard about Shirley. 223 00:11:24,814 --> 00:11:27,774 Yeah, I didn't kill my mom, if that's what you're asking. 224 00:11:27,817 --> 00:11:29,819 The balcony did. 225 00:11:31,516 --> 00:11:34,824 Well, we're doing another "Dateline," and we should talk. 226 00:11:34,868 --> 00:11:37,479 Hear your side of things. 227 00:11:37,522 --> 00:11:40,874 Oh, really? Another one? 228 00:11:40,917 --> 00:11:42,745 Figured that'd be all wrapped up. 229 00:11:42,789 --> 00:11:44,616 No, not at all. 230 00:11:44,660 --> 00:11:46,793 Especially with Russ's exoneration. 231 00:11:48,098 --> 00:11:50,797 So what do you say? 232 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:52,712 Can we set a time to chat? 233 00:11:52,755 --> 00:11:54,844 No, thanks. 234 00:11:54,888 --> 00:11:57,717 [dramatic music] 235 00:11:57,760 --> 00:11:59,588 Narrator: That funny feeling 236 00:11:59,631 --> 00:12:04,071 when you're the subject of a story that just won't end. 237 00:12:09,424 --> 00:12:09,641 . 238 00:12:09,685 --> 00:12:12,209 [humming] 239 00:12:12,253 --> 00:12:15,430 Narrator: Five years since their mother's death, 240 00:12:15,473 --> 00:12:17,911 Betsy's girls were still coping. 241 00:12:19,390 --> 00:12:22,480 And still hadn't seen a dime 242 00:12:22,524 --> 00:12:24,526 of the insurance money. 243 00:12:26,484 --> 00:12:28,356 Hey, let me make you some tea instead. 244 00:12:28,399 --> 00:12:29,400 You'll sleep better. 245 00:12:29,444 --> 00:12:31,707 No, thanks. 246 00:12:31,751 --> 00:12:34,710 Well, that looks pretty full. 247 00:12:34,754 --> 00:12:37,582 Must have a lot to write about. 248 00:12:37,626 --> 00:12:38,975 I just write about Mom. 249 00:12:41,891 --> 00:12:44,633 Letters, poems. 250 00:12:44,676 --> 00:12:47,157 - Letters? - Yeah. 251 00:12:47,201 --> 00:12:50,247 Yep. Stuff I wish I said. 252 00:12:56,732 --> 00:12:58,908 Sometimes, I write to Russ. 253 00:13:00,954 --> 00:13:02,782 My perspective on things. 254 00:13:07,917 --> 00:13:10,702 I don't send them though. It's just for me. 255 00:13:10,746 --> 00:13:12,139 Oh. 256 00:13:12,182 --> 00:13:15,795 Well, you better get some rest. Big day tomorrow. 257 00:13:30,418 --> 00:13:33,769 [dialing, line ringing] 258 00:13:33,813 --> 00:13:36,380 It's Pam. Leave a message. 259 00:13:36,424 --> 00:13:39,427 Hey, Pam, it's Janet. 260 00:13:39,470 --> 00:13:40,883 I know it's late, but if you could give me 261 00:13:40,907 --> 00:13:44,954 a call back, we could get this figured out tonight. 262 00:13:44,998 --> 00:13:49,089 There's no need to go to court tomorrow when... 263 00:13:49,132 --> 00:13:50,612 Well, you know the right thing. 264 00:13:50,655 --> 00:13:54,311 Just give the girls their money. 265 00:13:55,617 --> 00:13:58,359 That's what you told Betsy you were gonna do. 266 00:13:58,402 --> 00:14:01,449 [dramatic music] 267 00:14:01,492 --> 00:14:05,061 ♪ 268 00:14:05,105 --> 00:14:06,454 - Pam! - Pam! 269 00:14:06,497 --> 00:14:07,585 - Here! - Pam! 270 00:14:07,629 --> 00:14:09,587 - Over here! - Pam! 271 00:14:16,943 --> 00:14:19,293 I think we're all aware this is a long shot. 272 00:14:19,336 --> 00:14:21,077 The paperwork's paperwork. 273 00:14:21,121 --> 00:14:23,514 But we're gonna do our best to show Pam's hand in this. 274 00:14:23,558 --> 00:14:25,603 And are we gonna go up on the stand? 275 00:14:25,647 --> 00:14:27,954 I'm not sure you girls testifying is a good idea. 276 00:14:27,997 --> 00:14:31,435 Pam's guy will poke holes and turn sympathy against you. 277 00:14:31,479 --> 00:14:33,481 They made us testify in the last trials 278 00:14:33,524 --> 00:14:35,178 and now we're not allowed? 279 00:14:35,222 --> 00:14:38,529 You're allowed, I just would advise against it in this case. 280 00:14:40,531 --> 00:14:42,316 [dramatic music] 281 00:14:42,359 --> 00:14:43,970 Sit here, Mom. 282 00:14:44,013 --> 00:14:49,714 ♪ 283 00:14:49,758 --> 00:14:51,151 Maybe he's here for us. 284 00:14:51,194 --> 00:14:52,563 He kills Mom and then he wants to see us 285 00:14:52,587 --> 00:14:54,110 get the money? I doubt it. 286 00:14:56,330 --> 00:14:59,289 [sinister music] 287 00:14:59,333 --> 00:15:05,382 ♪ 288 00:15:05,426 --> 00:15:07,732 Here comes Pam and her creepy husband. 289 00:15:07,776 --> 00:15:09,299 Don't look at them. 290 00:15:09,343 --> 00:15:10,910 - I can't help it. - They're so weird. 291 00:15:10,953 --> 00:15:11,954 I know. 292 00:15:16,306 --> 00:15:17,873 Thanks. 293 00:15:29,189 --> 00:15:30,930 Raise your right hand. 294 00:15:30,973 --> 00:15:33,454 Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, 295 00:15:33,497 --> 00:15:36,326 and nothing but the truth so help you God? 296 00:15:36,370 --> 00:15:38,589 - I do. - You may take the stand. 297 00:15:52,386 --> 00:15:53,909 State your name for the record. 298 00:15:53,953 --> 00:15:56,738 Pamela Marie Hupp, H-U-P-P. 299 00:15:56,781 --> 00:15:57,913 And you're the defendant, 300 00:15:57,957 --> 00:15:59,397 the party being sued in this lawsuit? 301 00:15:59,436 --> 00:16:03,484 - Mm-hmm. - I can... I can hardly hear you. 302 00:16:03,527 --> 00:16:06,574 - Did you hear the question? - I did. 303 00:16:06,617 --> 00:16:08,358 Judge, I'd like to treat the witness 304 00:16:08,402 --> 00:16:09,925 as hostile at this time. 305 00:16:09,969 --> 00:16:11,796 You may. 306 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:13,233 You just raised your hand 307 00:16:13,276 --> 00:16:16,540 and you took an oath to tell the whole truth, correct? 308 00:16:20,501 --> 00:16:21,893 Yes. 309 00:16:21,937 --> 00:16:23,480 The same oath you took when you testified 310 00:16:23,504 --> 00:16:25,375 in the Russ Faria trial? 311 00:16:25,419 --> 00:16:26,898 Yes. 312 00:16:26,942 --> 00:16:28,833 You understood at that time that you're obligated 313 00:16:28,857 --> 00:16:31,991 to testify truthfully, and you did, correct? 314 00:16:33,557 --> 00:16:35,777 Mm-hmm. 315 00:16:35,820 --> 00:16:38,519 I have a traumatic brain injury 316 00:16:38,562 --> 00:16:41,130 and concussion syndrome from an accident. 317 00:16:43,089 --> 00:16:44,457 Did you have any these memory problems 318 00:16:44,481 --> 00:16:47,615 - during that deposition? - I didn't think I did. 319 00:16:47,658 --> 00:16:50,400 I don't feel like I do when I'm talking, 320 00:16:50,444 --> 00:16:52,881 but I obviously do. 321 00:16:52,924 --> 00:16:54,815 Would you please read the letter in front of you? 322 00:16:54,839 --> 00:16:56,276 No, I can't read that. 323 00:16:56,319 --> 00:16:59,801 I need my glasses from my husband. 324 00:16:59,844 --> 00:17:02,543 So you gave law enforcement incorrect information? 325 00:17:02,586 --> 00:17:05,111 Yes, that is a correct statement. 326 00:17:05,154 --> 00:17:08,157 Uh, there are also other statements in there 327 00:17:08,201 --> 00:17:11,117 that do not say that. 328 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:12,988 They attacked me. 329 00:17:13,032 --> 00:17:15,295 I don't understand what you're saying. 330 00:17:15,338 --> 00:17:18,080 Detective McCarrick pressured me to open that trust. 331 00:17:18,124 --> 00:17:19,995 It's on video. Mm-hmm. 332 00:17:20,039 --> 00:17:21,301 I can't hear you. 333 00:17:21,344 --> 00:17:24,652 $100,000 of that I put in a trust for the girls 334 00:17:24,695 --> 00:17:27,916 and $50,000 of that I was trying to give 335 00:17:27,959 --> 00:17:30,092 to this other friend of mine who was dying. 336 00:17:30,136 --> 00:17:31,528 It was harassment. 337 00:17:31,572 --> 00:17:33,226 It wasn't just them. 338 00:17:33,269 --> 00:17:34,662 I changed my mind. 339 00:17:34,705 --> 00:17:36,011 I can't hear you. 340 00:17:36,055 --> 00:17:37,621 She was obsessed. 341 00:17:37,665 --> 00:17:39,928 Brain injury, remember? 342 00:17:42,235 --> 00:17:43,714 Oh, I remember. 343 00:17:45,716 --> 00:17:47,762 Ms. Hupp, I see you closed the trust 344 00:17:47,805 --> 00:17:50,156 for the Day sisters in December of 2013. 345 00:17:50,199 --> 00:17:54,073 Also in December 2013, you deposited $134,000 346 00:17:54,116 --> 00:17:56,553 into your personal checking account. 347 00:17:56,597 --> 00:17:57,902 Where did $134,000... 348 00:17:57,946 --> 00:17:59,141 Wait, what? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. 349 00:17:59,165 --> 00:18:00,862 Whoa, whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. 350 00:18:00,905 --> 00:18:02,907 - Your honor... - Whoa, whoa, whoa! 351 00:18:04,257 --> 00:18:06,172 I don't know what you're talking about. 352 00:18:06,215 --> 00:18:09,175 This has nothing to do with me drawing up a trust. 353 00:18:09,218 --> 00:18:10,456 I'd like the court to have the witness 354 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,003 answer the question. 355 00:18:12,047 --> 00:18:13,242 If you don't understand the question, 356 00:18:13,266 --> 00:18:14,895 - you can ask him to rephrase. - Okay, okay. 357 00:18:14,919 --> 00:18:16,201 But don't volunteer testimony, ma'am, 358 00:18:16,225 --> 00:18:17,681 that's not in response to the question. 359 00:18:17,705 --> 00:18:19,359 That's not in response to... 360 00:18:19,402 --> 00:18:21,796 It's... the trust wasn't made until after her death. 361 00:18:21,839 --> 00:18:24,407 So that's got nothing to do with it. 362 00:18:24,451 --> 00:18:26,017 She didn't even know I made it. 363 00:18:26,061 --> 00:18:27,647 Well, if there's an objection to the question, 364 00:18:27,671 --> 00:18:29,282 then your lawyers, they will make it. 365 00:18:29,325 --> 00:18:34,678 Otherwise, just answer the question, okay? 366 00:18:34,722 --> 00:18:37,290 You deposited $134,000 into your personal 367 00:18:37,333 --> 00:18:40,206 checking account in December 2013, correct? 368 00:18:40,249 --> 00:18:41,424 Yes. 369 00:18:41,468 --> 00:18:42,836 That's a lot of money for one deposit 370 00:18:42,860 --> 00:18:43,924 into your checking account. 371 00:18:43,948 --> 00:18:45,385 Where did it come from? 372 00:18:45,428 --> 00:18:47,169 What, do you think I'm poor? 373 00:18:47,213 --> 00:18:49,258 My money could've come from anywhere. 374 00:18:49,302 --> 00:18:52,957 Everywhere. A bunch of different places. 375 00:18:53,001 --> 00:18:55,743 Have you lied to anybody else about what you were gonna do 376 00:18:55,786 --> 00:18:58,485 with these life insurance proceeds? 377 00:18:58,528 --> 00:19:01,357 I lie when people bug me. 378 00:19:01,401 --> 00:19:02,880 And bug me and bug me. 379 00:19:02,924 --> 00:19:06,101 [sinister music] 380 00:19:06,145 --> 00:19:13,064 ♪ 381 00:19:17,982 --> 00:19:19,375 I have no further questions. 382 00:19:23,249 --> 00:19:25,207 He got her. 383 00:19:25,251 --> 00:19:27,383 The court will stand at recess until 1:30. 384 00:19:39,265 --> 00:19:41,005 I got it. 385 00:19:42,877 --> 00:19:44,400 [clears throat] 386 00:19:58,806 --> 00:20:01,330 - Well, I think that went well. - Yeah. 387 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,465 What's up with you? 388 00:20:05,508 --> 00:20:07,945 Your IBS? I got pills. 389 00:20:07,989 --> 00:20:11,122 No, no, no. I'm fine, I just... 390 00:20:11,166 --> 00:20:13,516 I just can't believe all those awful things 391 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:14,909 they said about you. 392 00:20:14,952 --> 00:20:17,085 Well, then don't. 393 00:20:17,128 --> 00:20:19,043 But you said you were a liar. 394 00:20:19,087 --> 00:20:22,830 - Everybody lies, Winnie. - That's the world. 395 00:20:24,266 --> 00:20:26,355 Right. Yeah. 396 00:20:26,399 --> 00:20:29,010 You sure you're okay? 397 00:20:29,053 --> 00:20:30,446 You don't seem like yourself. 398 00:20:30,490 --> 00:20:32,840 Oh, well, I'm not feeling that well. 399 00:20:32,883 --> 00:20:34,755 I've got a sore throat. 400 00:20:34,798 --> 00:20:37,061 Well, maybe I have something. 401 00:20:38,715 --> 00:20:41,675 [sinister music] 402 00:20:41,718 --> 00:20:47,289 ♪ 403 00:20:47,333 --> 00:20:50,727 - What's that? - It's a lozenge. 404 00:20:52,120 --> 00:20:54,905 You got a sore throat, you need a lozenge. 405 00:21:17,406 --> 00:21:19,843 [clears throat] 406 00:21:19,887 --> 00:21:21,367 Okay? 407 00:21:29,244 --> 00:21:30,376 Hey. 408 00:21:30,419 --> 00:21:33,204 I should've just said I'm sorry to him. 409 00:21:33,248 --> 00:21:34,554 No, don't. 410 00:21:34,597 --> 00:21:36,295 They won't even look at me. 411 00:21:36,338 --> 00:21:38,297 Well, I would've slammed the door in his face. 412 00:21:38,340 --> 00:21:41,909 I know, I just thought that maybe he wanted to talk. 413 00:21:41,952 --> 00:21:44,520 Like maybe there was some part of him 414 00:21:44,564 --> 00:21:46,305 that wanted to see us win. 415 00:21:48,002 --> 00:21:49,240 I can't talk to them here anyway. 416 00:21:49,264 --> 00:21:50,874 We'd have to go through Jill 417 00:21:50,918 --> 00:21:54,487 because we don't want any he said, she said. 418 00:21:54,530 --> 00:21:57,011 It's fine, you know? 419 00:21:57,054 --> 00:21:59,970 Those girls said all they need to say on the stand. 420 00:22:00,884 --> 00:22:02,495 That's that. 421 00:22:02,538 --> 00:22:04,323 Maybe we should just go. 422 00:22:06,325 --> 00:22:07,456 Nah. 423 00:22:11,199 --> 00:22:14,028 I came to see Pam lose. 424 00:22:16,987 --> 00:22:17,379 . 425 00:22:17,423 --> 00:22:19,686 - So is that it? - Are we gonna get to talk? 426 00:22:20,556 --> 00:22:22,036 I don't know. 427 00:22:26,954 --> 00:22:29,565 That's it. It's time for closing statements. 428 00:22:29,609 --> 00:22:31,001 Really? Are you... 429 00:22:31,045 --> 00:22:32,394 Are you sure? 430 00:22:32,438 --> 00:22:35,571 We... we can still testify. 431 00:22:35,615 --> 00:22:37,573 Pam just said she opened the trust back up, 432 00:22:37,617 --> 00:22:39,401 right in front of our faces. 433 00:22:39,445 --> 00:22:40,707 It's a can of worms. 434 00:22:40,750 --> 00:22:42,752 Trust me. It's cleaner this way. 435 00:22:45,146 --> 00:22:47,278 Okay. 436 00:22:47,322 --> 00:22:50,586 - If you think so. - Yeah. 437 00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:52,109 To be honest, Mrs. Hupp, 438 00:22:52,153 --> 00:22:53,783 you didn't do yourself any favors up there. 439 00:22:53,807 --> 00:22:56,287 Well, it was ridiculousness. 440 00:22:56,331 --> 00:22:57,767 What was I supposed to say? 441 00:22:57,811 --> 00:22:59,769 - Not that. - Counselor. 442 00:22:59,813 --> 00:23:01,336 Excuse me. 443 00:23:02,642 --> 00:23:04,905 Your Honor, if Mrs. Faria's intent 444 00:23:04,948 --> 00:23:07,124 was to pass this money on to her children, 445 00:23:07,168 --> 00:23:09,692 the best way to do that would've been to name them. 446 00:23:09,736 --> 00:23:11,738 But neither one of her children are named on 447 00:23:11,781 --> 00:23:14,654 any of the three policies that she had. 448 00:23:14,697 --> 00:23:18,353 We've heard from not only Pam Hupp, but multiple people 449 00:23:18,397 --> 00:23:19,757 who've said that Betsy had concerns 450 00:23:19,789 --> 00:23:21,443 as to whether her children 451 00:23:21,487 --> 00:23:25,099 were even reliable enough to handle the money. 452 00:23:25,142 --> 00:23:29,451 And I'm not about to argue for Pam's credibility. 453 00:23:29,495 --> 00:23:31,497 She's not a credible witness. 454 00:23:31,540 --> 00:23:33,455 But that's not the issue here. 455 00:23:35,675 --> 00:23:37,894 If you want to know Betsy's true intent... 456 00:23:40,114 --> 00:23:42,159 This is her intent. 457 00:23:42,203 --> 00:23:45,511 Everything else is just he said, she said. 458 00:23:48,775 --> 00:23:51,647 I'll ask you this one more time, Mr. Evers. 459 00:23:51,691 --> 00:23:53,257 Where is the evidence 460 00:23:53,301 --> 00:23:56,870 that indicates what Betsy intended to do with the money? 461 00:23:56,913 --> 00:23:59,481 The evidence is that it was intended for the girls 462 00:23:59,525 --> 00:24:01,440 to get the money when they're older. 463 00:24:01,483 --> 00:24:02,789 It has been four years. 464 00:24:06,793 --> 00:24:08,640 Well, I can't just pull something out of thin air. 465 00:24:08,664 --> 00:24:10,884 It has to be based in evidence. 466 00:24:15,105 --> 00:24:18,065 [dramatic music] 467 00:24:18,108 --> 00:24:25,072 ♪ 468 00:24:29,337 --> 00:24:30,512 She admitted that she lied 469 00:24:30,556 --> 00:24:32,122 and she still gets to keep our money? 470 00:24:32,166 --> 00:24:34,342 I do like it any more than you do, 471 00:24:34,385 --> 00:24:35,865 but you know that your mother 472 00:24:35,909 --> 00:24:38,738 did not always do everything by the book. 473 00:24:38,781 --> 00:24:40,696 It's just one of those things. 474 00:24:40,740 --> 00:24:42,002 Yeah, she trusted people! 475 00:24:42,045 --> 00:24:43,699 So did I even when I shouldn't have. 476 00:24:43,743 --> 00:24:47,137 Hey, you made a good effort. 477 00:24:49,270 --> 00:24:51,490 I guess. 478 00:24:51,533 --> 00:24:53,666 I still didn't get a voice in anything. 479 00:24:53,709 --> 00:24:56,059 - I told you it'd all work out. - I never doubted you. 480 00:24:56,103 --> 00:24:59,976 - Are they literally skipping? - So what now? 481 00:25:01,587 --> 00:25:03,545 Now that nobody's gonna take our money, 482 00:25:03,589 --> 00:25:05,939 what do you say? A new car? 483 00:25:05,982 --> 00:25:09,856 One of those SUVs with the TVs on the seat, like an airplane? 484 00:25:09,899 --> 00:25:11,945 Oh, and we need new carpet. 485 00:25:11,988 --> 00:25:13,381 What money? 486 00:25:13,424 --> 00:25:15,862 We already got a buyer for Derby. 487 00:25:15,905 --> 00:25:18,081 I say we get our next flip. 488 00:25:18,125 --> 00:25:19,866 You really want to hang around here? 489 00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:22,999 Oh, things will go back to normal. 490 00:25:23,043 --> 00:25:24,131 There she is. 491 00:25:24,174 --> 00:25:27,047 I think that's the "Dateline" crew. 492 00:25:27,090 --> 00:25:28,918 Say hi to Cathy! 493 00:25:36,883 --> 00:25:39,755 - Mariah? - What's up? 494 00:25:39,799 --> 00:25:42,453 Mariah. Hey, you got a letter. 495 00:25:42,497 --> 00:25:43,716 For me, here? 496 00:25:43,759 --> 00:25:45,282 Yeah, I don't know, but there it is. 497 00:25:45,326 --> 00:25:47,478 Listen, I'm gonna need you to do another tub of roll-ups 498 00:25:47,502 --> 00:25:49,373 before dinner, please. 499 00:25:49,417 --> 00:25:52,159 Hello? Mariah? Okay? 500 00:25:58,208 --> 00:26:00,297 What, are you getting mail here now? 501 00:26:00,341 --> 00:26:02,082 It's from Russ. 502 00:26:06,260 --> 00:26:09,176 [solemn music] 503 00:26:09,219 --> 00:26:10,917 ♪ 504 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,614 What? 505 00:26:15,182 --> 00:26:17,576 Well, even for Russ, that's pretty harsh. 506 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,635 But I don't get it. 507 00:26:33,679 --> 00:26:36,029 We're halfway through escrow. 508 00:26:36,072 --> 00:26:38,814 And these people just back out? 509 00:26:38,858 --> 00:26:41,077 - They just got cold feet. - It happens. 510 00:26:41,121 --> 00:26:45,560 But, like, they loved the house. 511 00:26:45,604 --> 00:26:48,258 Mark got rid of that family of racoons. 512 00:26:48,302 --> 00:26:50,739 We built a whole new deck. 513 00:26:50,783 --> 00:26:52,741 It's beautiful. They love it. 514 00:26:52,785 --> 00:26:57,050 So I don't get why they'd just back out. 515 00:26:57,093 --> 00:26:59,661 I don't... I don't know. It... 516 00:26:59,705 --> 00:27:03,099 It really could be one of a million reasons. 517 00:27:03,143 --> 00:27:06,363 - Mm-hmm. - Don't lie to me, Sally. 518 00:27:06,407 --> 00:27:09,192 [tense music] 519 00:27:09,236 --> 00:27:10,367 ♪ 520 00:27:10,411 --> 00:27:12,848 It was because of you, okay? 521 00:27:14,415 --> 00:27:17,200 They canceled once they heard who the seller was. 522 00:27:17,244 --> 00:27:18,941 Mm. 523 00:27:21,117 --> 00:27:24,207 [laughing] 524 00:27:25,252 --> 00:27:26,993 Mm-hmm. 525 00:27:32,433 --> 00:27:33,913 Fix it. 526 00:27:43,357 --> 00:27:45,664 Request for destruction of evidence? 527 00:27:47,448 --> 00:27:51,278 Tina. Hey. 528 00:27:51,321 --> 00:27:52,801 Hey, Tina. 529 00:27:52,845 --> 00:27:56,022 Mrs. Hupp, as I told you on the phone several times, 530 00:27:56,065 --> 00:27:59,286 Ms. Askey is unavailable, and she just left for the day. 531 00:27:59,329 --> 00:28:00,983 She just left? 532 00:28:17,391 --> 00:28:20,350 [dramatic music] 533 00:28:20,394 --> 00:28:27,314 ♪ 534 00:28:31,492 --> 00:28:32,711 Leah! 535 00:28:33,581 --> 00:28:35,322 Leah! 536 00:28:37,237 --> 00:28:39,065 Leah! 537 00:28:40,719 --> 00:28:42,285 Hey. 538 00:28:42,329 --> 00:28:45,071 - How's it going, Pam? - Not good. 539 00:28:45,114 --> 00:28:48,030 Keith Morrison and Cathy stirring stuff up. 540 00:28:48,074 --> 00:28:51,077 Everyone thinks I'm some killer who steals money from orphans. 541 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,296 And, like, who cares because it's all lies? 542 00:28:53,340 --> 00:28:56,473 But now it's screwing stuff up for my business. 543 00:28:56,517 --> 00:28:57,997 Orphans? 544 00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:59,781 You mean Lily and Mariah Day? 545 00:28:59,825 --> 00:29:01,217 - Yeah. - Yeah. 546 00:29:01,261 --> 00:29:02,610 Those girls. 547 00:29:02,653 --> 00:29:05,134 Ugh. They did this to me, you know. 548 00:29:05,178 --> 00:29:07,310 If they hadn't sued, then nobody would be pissed 549 00:29:07,354 --> 00:29:09,312 that I'm taking what's already mine. 550 00:29:09,356 --> 00:29:13,055 Well, winning the civil suit didn't exactly help your image. 551 00:29:13,099 --> 00:29:15,144 Well, as the judge said, 552 00:29:15,188 --> 00:29:17,973 that money went to the person Betsy intended. 553 00:29:18,017 --> 00:29:21,890 And somehow I've got the bad reputation here? 554 00:29:21,934 --> 00:29:24,763 I mean, how does that happen? 555 00:29:24,806 --> 00:29:26,765 Because it's hard to look like a victim 556 00:29:26,808 --> 00:29:28,984 when you keep winning, you understand? 557 00:29:29,028 --> 00:29:30,812 Oh, right, I see. 558 00:29:30,856 --> 00:29:32,683 That's what's going on here. I'm winning. 559 00:29:32,727 --> 00:29:35,774 - I'm sure it'll flitter away. - You know how small towns are. 560 00:29:35,817 --> 00:29:37,427 I don't want it to flitter, okay? 561 00:29:37,471 --> 00:29:41,040 I want you... I want you to make it go away. 562 00:29:41,910 --> 00:29:44,086 What am I supposed to do? 563 00:29:45,740 --> 00:29:47,002 If you have a problem, 564 00:29:47,046 --> 00:29:48,545 you should file a complaint with the police. 565 00:29:48,569 --> 00:29:49,831 File what? 566 00:29:49,875 --> 00:29:53,748 A restraining order against the whole town? 567 00:29:53,792 --> 00:29:55,030 I don't know what to tell you, Pam. 568 00:29:55,054 --> 00:29:56,533 I've got problems, too, you know. 569 00:29:56,577 --> 00:30:02,148 My reelection. And this isn't great for me. 570 00:30:02,191 --> 00:30:03,323 So maybe... 571 00:30:03,366 --> 00:30:05,934 Right, your job. 572 00:30:05,978 --> 00:30:07,544 So important. 573 00:30:07,588 --> 00:30:08,763 Yeah. 574 00:30:08,807 --> 00:30:10,199 I get it. I get it. 575 00:30:10,243 --> 00:30:13,333 It's the most important thing in the world, huh? 576 00:30:13,376 --> 00:30:14,464 See? You get it. 577 00:30:15,596 --> 00:30:18,555 [sinister music] 578 00:30:18,599 --> 00:30:25,519 ♪ 579 00:30:32,874 --> 00:30:33,266 . 580 00:30:33,309 --> 00:30:34,658 She just can't help. 581 00:30:34,702 --> 00:30:36,573 For all I've done for her, 582 00:30:36,617 --> 00:30:39,750 Leah Askey could give a squirt of a piss. 583 00:30:39,794 --> 00:30:42,188 If she just put me on the stand, 584 00:30:42,231 --> 00:30:43,711 we'd have won that retrial, 585 00:30:43,754 --> 00:30:45,713 and Russ's ass would still be locked up. 586 00:30:45,756 --> 00:30:48,585 Now the whole world is gonna bug me. 587 00:30:48,629 --> 00:30:51,110 Because Keith and Cathy are making 588 00:30:51,153 --> 00:30:54,330 another "Dateline" about it. 589 00:30:54,374 --> 00:30:57,943 Smearing me all over again. 590 00:30:57,986 --> 00:31:01,685 You know she wouldn't have a job if weren't for me. 591 00:31:01,729 --> 00:31:05,298 I'm the best thing that's ever happened to "Dateline." 592 00:31:05,341 --> 00:31:08,562 Well, Mom, we should just move already. 593 00:31:08,605 --> 00:31:10,912 I mean, like, with all the stuff going on, 594 00:31:10,956 --> 00:31:13,045 - it's not worth it. - You've been talking to him? 595 00:31:13,088 --> 00:31:15,221 No. 596 00:31:15,264 --> 00:31:18,398 - Or not. - Or, no, or whatever. I... 597 00:31:18,441 --> 00:31:21,009 - Hi. I'm Mariah. - I'll be your serv... 598 00:31:22,968 --> 00:31:26,058 My goodness, Mary-Ann. 599 00:31:26,101 --> 00:31:28,321 How nice to see you. 600 00:31:28,364 --> 00:31:30,845 I didn't know you worked here. 601 00:31:30,889 --> 00:31:32,064 Mariah. 602 00:31:32,107 --> 00:31:35,284 Travis and I will have the... 603 00:31:36,982 --> 00:31:38,984 Burger en frites. 604 00:31:42,204 --> 00:31:45,251 - Great. - For you? 605 00:31:45,294 --> 00:31:47,166 Oh, he's not hungry. 606 00:31:47,209 --> 00:31:49,908 Not feeling himself tonight. 607 00:31:49,951 --> 00:31:52,823 In fact, can we get those burgers to go? 608 00:31:59,308 --> 00:32:01,223 Yeah, maybe Leah's right. 609 00:32:01,267 --> 00:32:03,486 And I should just cut off the people 610 00:32:03,530 --> 00:32:04,966 who don't support me. 611 00:32:06,837 --> 00:32:08,317 Long list. 612 00:32:13,844 --> 00:32:16,021 I cannot believe she just showed up here. 613 00:32:16,064 --> 00:32:17,476 I mean, the bitch steals everything from us 614 00:32:17,500 --> 00:32:19,502 and, what, still not enough? 615 00:32:23,985 --> 00:32:25,378 But I didn't spit in it. 616 00:32:25,421 --> 00:32:28,207 - No, no, no, no, no, no, no. - No, no, no. No. No. 617 00:32:28,250 --> 00:32:29,817 - Pam. - Mm-hmm. 618 00:32:32,863 --> 00:32:34,343 Yep. 619 00:32:54,059 --> 00:32:56,757 Fast. Good service. 620 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,890 I like it. Keep the change. 621 00:33:05,418 --> 00:33:07,724 Hey. Hey. Are you okay? 622 00:33:09,204 --> 00:33:10,553 Mariah? 623 00:33:13,382 --> 00:33:14,688 It's okay. 624 00:33:15,558 --> 00:33:17,647 You're fine. 625 00:33:17,691 --> 00:33:20,868 [dramatic music] 626 00:33:20,911 --> 00:33:25,960 ♪ 627 00:33:26,004 --> 00:33:27,004 What's going on? 628 00:33:29,224 --> 00:33:31,661 Are you okay? 629 00:33:31,705 --> 00:33:33,620 Pam wrote Russ' letter. 630 00:33:36,405 --> 00:33:38,451 - Wait, wait. - Where are you going? 631 00:33:38,494 --> 00:33:43,064 ♪ 632 00:33:43,108 --> 00:33:44,457 Hey, Pam! 633 00:33:46,459 --> 00:33:48,591 Oh, we forget something? 634 00:33:49,853 --> 00:33:54,554 For the first time since my mom was killed, 635 00:33:54,597 --> 00:33:57,078 I'm done being mad. 636 00:33:57,122 --> 00:33:59,776 I'm done giving you control. 637 00:34:00,951 --> 00:34:03,476 There's nothing left for you to take. 638 00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:06,218 I'm done. 639 00:34:06,261 --> 00:34:08,437 I win. 640 00:34:09,438 --> 00:34:11,310 Feel better? 641 00:34:11,353 --> 00:34:12,789 Yeah. 642 00:34:14,530 --> 00:34:18,969 - Well, nice to see ya. - We'll be back. 643 00:34:26,151 --> 00:34:29,110 Narrator: If so many people bug her and bug her 644 00:34:29,154 --> 00:34:31,286 and bug her, 645 00:34:31,330 --> 00:34:34,420 how can Pam possibly keep up? 646 00:34:34,463 --> 00:34:37,379 [sinister music] 647 00:34:37,423 --> 00:34:44,560 ♪ 648 00:34:53,482 --> 00:34:55,441 One thing about Pam, 649 00:34:55,484 --> 00:34:59,706 she always manages to find time for other people. 650 00:35:09,107 --> 00:35:11,152 Leah! 651 00:35:13,546 --> 00:35:15,287 Hey. 652 00:35:15,330 --> 00:35:19,334 My daughter's baby shoes. Her first little pair. 653 00:35:19,378 --> 00:35:21,510 - Her first pair? - You don't want to save those? 654 00:35:21,554 --> 00:35:24,165 No. I still have my son's. 655 00:35:24,209 --> 00:35:26,298 - Well, thanks, Pam. - I'm sure you have a busy day. 656 00:35:26,341 --> 00:35:27,560 You always do. 657 00:35:29,083 --> 00:35:30,563 Hi. 658 00:35:35,002 --> 00:35:38,701 Pam Hupp. Vote for Askey. 659 00:35:39,702 --> 00:35:42,618 Pam Hupp. Vote Askey. 660 00:35:45,621 --> 00:35:47,623 - Hmm. - Hmm. 661 00:35:47,667 --> 00:35:50,278 Well, luck with the campaign. 662 00:35:50,322 --> 00:35:52,672 You know you've got my vote. 663 00:35:52,715 --> 00:35:54,456 See you around. 664 00:35:54,500 --> 00:35:55,936 Soon, I hope. 665 00:35:55,979 --> 00:35:57,242 Yeah. 666 00:35:58,678 --> 00:36:01,159 You live over on Kenton Street, right? 667 00:36:02,551 --> 00:36:04,597 Gorgeous place. 668 00:36:09,210 --> 00:36:12,170 [sinister music] 669 00:36:12,213 --> 00:36:16,652 ♪ 670 00:36:18,741 --> 00:36:19,133 . 671 00:36:19,177 --> 00:36:21,222 [upbeat dance music playing] 672 00:36:21,266 --> 00:36:24,617 ♪ Shake your body, let's go ♪ 673 00:36:24,660 --> 00:36:26,053 Class is full today. 674 00:36:26,096 --> 00:36:28,795 Yeah, right. Let's Zumba! 675 00:36:28,838 --> 00:36:31,450 Class is full. 676 00:36:33,843 --> 00:36:36,194 Oh. 677 00:36:36,237 --> 00:36:38,196 It's full. 678 00:36:39,545 --> 00:36:42,330 Hmm. Come on, Minnie, let's go. 679 00:36:43,723 --> 00:36:46,421 I know it was you with the dead squirrel. 680 00:36:46,465 --> 00:36:49,903 What? What dead squirrel? 681 00:36:49,946 --> 00:36:52,340 We all talked about it. 682 00:36:52,384 --> 00:36:54,212 No one could've done it but you. 683 00:36:55,561 --> 00:36:58,520 Okay, Pam, I think it's time you left. 684 00:36:58,564 --> 00:36:59,869 Oh, you do? 685 00:36:59,913 --> 00:37:02,829 [laughing] 686 00:37:06,876 --> 00:37:08,661 Okay. 687 00:37:08,704 --> 00:37:10,358 Minnie, we should go. 688 00:37:10,402 --> 00:37:12,752 You're sick, in no condition for working out. 689 00:37:12,795 --> 00:37:13,883 Come on. 690 00:37:13,927 --> 00:37:15,276 No, I'm good. 691 00:37:21,630 --> 00:37:24,285 [tense music] 692 00:37:24,329 --> 00:37:26,505 ♪ 693 00:37:26,548 --> 00:37:27,549 Boo! 694 00:37:27,593 --> 00:37:28,942 [all gasping] 695 00:37:28,985 --> 00:37:32,119 [chuckling] 696 00:37:38,691 --> 00:37:41,650 [dramatic music] 697 00:37:41,694 --> 00:37:46,742 ♪ 698 00:37:46,786 --> 00:37:49,919 Pamela Hupp took Betsy's life away. 699 00:37:49,963 --> 00:37:52,705 But killers can't get away with it on their own. 700 00:37:52,748 --> 00:37:54,402 They need help. 701 00:37:54,446 --> 00:37:57,579 Help from a prosecutor protects them. 702 00:37:57,623 --> 00:37:59,494 It's time for the District Attorney's office 703 00:37:59,538 --> 00:38:03,324 - to stand for justice again. - Stop Leah Askey. 704 00:38:03,368 --> 00:38:05,892 Vote for a true champion of justice. 705 00:38:05,935 --> 00:38:10,288 Vote Mike Wood for Lincoln County District Attorney. 706 00:38:11,985 --> 00:38:14,857 [line ringing] 707 00:38:16,511 --> 00:38:18,948 - Hey, Pam. - Hey. 708 00:38:18,992 --> 00:38:22,256 See that funny new commercial, political thing? 709 00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:23,779 Something about how I killed Betsy 710 00:38:23,823 --> 00:38:25,303 and you let me go free? 711 00:38:25,346 --> 00:38:26,913 Yeah, I saw it, it's Mike Wood. 712 00:38:26,956 --> 00:38:29,655 His whole campaign is about us. 713 00:38:29,698 --> 00:38:31,047 Mm-hmm. 714 00:38:31,091 --> 00:38:34,224 Seems I'm not the only one with the bad reputation. 715 00:38:34,268 --> 00:38:36,444 Think it'll just flitter away? 716 00:38:36,488 --> 00:38:38,533 No, I don't think it'll flitter away. 717 00:38:38,577 --> 00:38:41,101 If Mike Wood takes over my job, he will reopen the Betsy case, 718 00:38:41,144 --> 00:38:43,408 and he's gonna go after you as his main suspect. 719 00:38:43,451 --> 00:38:45,845 [tense music] 720 00:38:45,888 --> 00:38:47,847 - Why would I care? - I didn't do anything. 721 00:38:49,501 --> 00:38:52,373 Pam, Mike Wood winning means we both lose. 722 00:38:52,417 --> 00:38:56,029 No. You lose. I'll be fine. 723 00:38:56,072 --> 00:38:59,032 [sinister music] 724 00:38:59,075 --> 00:39:06,213 ♪ 725 00:39:11,914 --> 00:39:15,309 California, it's so far. 726 00:39:15,353 --> 00:39:18,356 Well, far is kind of the point. 727 00:39:18,399 --> 00:39:20,358 I need a fresh start. 728 00:39:20,401 --> 00:39:22,403 Somewhere where I can just be me. 729 00:39:22,447 --> 00:39:24,449 You can't do that here? 730 00:39:24,492 --> 00:39:26,581 Here is where Mom got murdered. 731 00:39:26,625 --> 00:39:28,496 Russ won't even speak to me. 732 00:39:28,540 --> 00:39:30,542 And Pam wins every time. 733 00:39:32,195 --> 00:39:34,023 I just need a break. 734 00:39:34,067 --> 00:39:35,547 I get it. 735 00:39:39,246 --> 00:39:43,381 Oh, just don't get hooked on marijuana out there, okay? 736 00:39:43,424 --> 00:39:46,296 [laughs] Okay, I won't. 737 00:39:49,212 --> 00:39:51,954 You need car snacks. 738 00:39:51,998 --> 00:39:53,565 I'll be right back. 739 00:40:00,963 --> 00:40:03,270 I got you something. 740 00:40:03,313 --> 00:40:06,665 You need a fresh one, right? For all your new adventures. 741 00:40:08,623 --> 00:40:09,885 Thanks. 742 00:40:11,452 --> 00:40:13,367 So you're really going, huh? 743 00:40:13,411 --> 00:40:15,413 You could come too. 744 00:40:15,456 --> 00:40:18,851 But, like, who's just gonna watch Grandma? 745 00:40:26,902 --> 00:40:28,600 I'll miss you. 746 00:40:29,514 --> 00:40:32,952 Yeah. I'm gonna miss you too. 747 00:40:33,735 --> 00:40:38,000 - Watch out for Pam, okay? - [scoffs] Yeah, okay. 748 00:40:46,269 --> 00:40:49,272 [coughing] 749 00:40:49,316 --> 00:40:52,232 [sinister music] 750 00:40:52,275 --> 00:40:59,500 ♪ 751 00:41:00,196 --> 00:41:02,895 Pam, what are you doing here? 752 00:41:02,938 --> 00:41:05,550 - You're sick. - I'm taking care of you. 753 00:41:08,988 --> 00:41:12,905 You know, I was thinking what a great neighbor you've been. 754 00:41:12,948 --> 00:41:16,691 Gee, I wonder if Minnie would miss me if I moved. 755 00:41:18,954 --> 00:41:22,697 - Of course... - Of course I would miss you. 756 00:41:22,741 --> 00:41:26,179 - [chuckles] - See, you lie too, Minnie. 757 00:41:26,222 --> 00:41:28,529 You think I killed Bushy Tail. 758 00:41:28,573 --> 00:41:30,618 Why would you miss me? 759 00:41:32,794 --> 00:41:34,492 Oh. 760 00:41:37,364 --> 00:41:39,714 So... so you... 761 00:41:39,758 --> 00:41:42,238 You're gonna move, you think? 762 00:41:42,282 --> 00:41:43,936 I was thinking about it. 763 00:41:43,979 --> 00:41:46,808 But then I realized running away from obstacles 764 00:41:46,852 --> 00:41:49,071 is not how you deal with them. 765 00:41:49,115 --> 00:41:55,077 ♪ 766 00:42:01,301 --> 00:42:04,434 Leah. Cathy. 767 00:42:04,478 --> 00:42:06,828 Mariah. Joel. 768 00:42:08,656 --> 00:42:10,528 They're just all things in my way. 769 00:42:12,181 --> 00:42:15,010 When there's stuff in your way, 770 00:42:15,054 --> 00:42:16,882 what you got to do... 771 00:42:18,579 --> 00:42:20,189 Is get rid of it. 772 00:42:20,233 --> 00:42:22,540 [sinister music] 773 00:42:23,671 --> 00:42:27,632 ♪ Ooh, got my eyes on you 774 00:42:27,675 --> 00:42:30,286 ♪ Got my eyes on you 775 00:42:30,330 --> 00:42:35,204 ♪ Ooh, got my eyes on you 776 00:42:35,248 --> 00:42:36,945 ♪ 777 00:42:36,989 --> 00:42:41,384 ♪ Ooh, got my eyes on you 778 00:42:41,428 --> 00:42:43,865 ♪ Got my eyes on you 779 00:42:43,909 --> 00:42:48,957 ♪ Ooh, got my eyes on you 780 00:42:49,001 --> 00:42:55,921 ♪