1 00:00:06,702 --> 00:00:07,050 . 2 00:00:07,094 --> 00:00:09,270 narrator: Previously on "The Thing About Pam"... 3 00:00:09,313 --> 00:00:10,619 - Something happened, Minnie. 4 00:00:10,662 --> 00:00:11,663 Something terrible. 5 00:00:11,707 --> 00:00:13,143 - There's been a murder. A big one. 6 00:00:13,187 --> 00:00:14,927 - Textbook spousal homicide. 7 00:00:14,971 --> 00:00:16,233 - I can't see my dad, 8 00:00:16,277 --> 00:00:18,018 and I'll never see my mom again. 9 00:00:18,061 --> 00:00:19,149 - I didn't do this. 10 00:00:19,193 --> 00:00:20,455 - What about that Pam lady? 11 00:00:20,498 --> 00:00:22,239 She was the last one to see Betsy alive. 12 00:00:22,283 --> 00:00:24,285 - Janet was practically begging me 13 00:00:24,328 --> 00:00:25,416 to handle the money. 14 00:00:25,460 --> 00:00:27,636 - I bet you'll get that facelift 15 00:00:27,679 --> 00:00:29,768 you've been wanting. 16 00:00:31,074 --> 00:00:33,990 [soft dramatic music] 17 00:00:34,034 --> 00:00:36,210 ♪ 18 00:00:36,253 --> 00:00:39,474 narrator: Who is Pam Hupp? 19 00:00:39,517 --> 00:00:43,956 Mother, wife, philanthropist, 20 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:48,048 and now, star witness? 21 00:00:48,091 --> 00:00:51,442 Of course, if you ask her, 22 00:00:51,486 --> 00:00:53,183 she's all of these, 23 00:00:53,227 --> 00:00:55,490 and so much more. 24 00:00:55,533 --> 00:00:56,926 - We've been waiting for you. 25 00:00:56,969 --> 00:01:00,016 [Enya's "Orinoco Flow [Sail Away]"] 26 00:01:00,060 --> 00:01:03,106 ♪ 27 00:01:03,150 --> 00:01:04,499 - ♪ Let me sail, let me sail 28 00:01:04,542 --> 00:01:08,024 - All Pams rise. Court is now in session. 29 00:01:08,068 --> 00:01:11,375 - ♪ Let me reach, let me beach on the shores of Tripoli ♪ 30 00:01:11,419 --> 00:01:13,464 ♪ Let me sail, let me sail 31 00:01:13,508 --> 00:01:16,293 ♪ Sail away, sail away, sail away ♪ 32 00:01:16,337 --> 00:01:21,168 [CPAP whirring] 33 00:01:21,211 --> 00:01:24,345 [muttering indistinctly] 34 00:01:32,266 --> 00:01:34,137 - You're talking in your sleep. - Oh. 35 00:01:34,181 --> 00:01:37,749 Yeah, it's the trial. 36 00:01:37,793 --> 00:01:39,055 - You're gonna do great. 37 00:01:39,099 --> 00:01:44,016 - I know I am, but what about everyone else? 38 00:01:44,060 --> 00:01:47,411 Askey, Judge Mennemeyer, 39 00:01:47,455 --> 00:01:51,415 all the Hoosiers on the jury. 40 00:01:51,459 --> 00:01:54,940 I wish there was more of me to go around. 41 00:01:54,984 --> 00:01:58,553 - Now, we'd all be better off with more Pams. 42 00:01:58,596 --> 00:01:59,641 - Ha. 43 00:01:59,684 --> 00:02:01,773 [sinister music] 44 00:02:01,817 --> 00:02:03,166 Kiss-ass. 45 00:02:03,210 --> 00:02:06,561 [CPAP whirring] 46 00:02:06,604 --> 00:02:08,389 narrator: The pressure was on. 47 00:02:08,432 --> 00:02:11,435 The trial loomed close. 48 00:02:11,479 --> 00:02:15,178 But could Pam be everywhere at once? 49 00:02:15,222 --> 00:02:21,402 ♪ 50 00:02:22,011 --> 00:02:25,232 - So Pam and Betsy called Mark at 7:04 p.m. 51 00:02:25,275 --> 00:02:26,668 from Betsy's driveway, 52 00:02:26,711 --> 00:02:28,800 and then Pam says she called Betsy 53 00:02:28,844 --> 00:02:32,282 21 minutes later to say that she was home. 54 00:02:32,326 --> 00:02:33,457 - That's not possible. 55 00:02:33,501 --> 00:02:35,198 - No, and now we can prove it. Look. 56 00:02:35,242 --> 00:02:37,418 The cell map shows that Pam was 57 00:02:37,461 --> 00:02:39,246 less than 3 miles from Betsy's house 58 00:02:39,289 --> 00:02:41,726 when she made that second call. 59 00:02:41,770 --> 00:02:44,555 So she not only lied about when she left the message... 60 00:02:44,599 --> 00:02:48,168 - Pam could have been calling from inside the house. 61 00:02:48,211 --> 00:02:49,691 - We got her. 62 00:02:51,345 --> 00:02:54,217 [tense music] 63 00:02:54,261 --> 00:02:55,349 Something's still not right. 64 00:02:55,392 --> 00:02:58,090 I mean, Askey gives us a cell map 65 00:02:58,134 --> 00:02:59,353 two days before the trial, 66 00:02:59,396 --> 00:03:00,571 we still haven't seen any luminol photos-- 67 00:03:00,615 --> 00:03:02,269 - Yeah, we knew to ask for those. 68 00:03:02,312 --> 00:03:07,230 ♪ 69 00:03:07,274 --> 00:03:08,927 - So what's the other shoe? 70 00:03:08,971 --> 00:03:10,190 - The murder slippers? 71 00:03:10,233 --> 00:03:11,800 No, we have photos of the murder slippers. 72 00:03:11,843 --> 00:03:13,584 They're in the-- 73 00:03:13,628 --> 00:03:15,195 when's the other shoe gonna drop? 74 00:03:15,238 --> 00:03:16,848 - [laughs] 75 00:03:16,892 --> 00:03:18,981 - I got it. - Yeah, you're no fun. 76 00:03:22,202 --> 00:03:26,945 - Ooh. Ooh. 77 00:03:26,989 --> 00:03:28,599 - Do you know they won't let me in the courtroom 78 00:03:28,643 --> 00:03:30,079 until I take the stand? 79 00:03:30,122 --> 00:03:31,602 Some kind of rule or something. 80 00:03:31,646 --> 00:03:33,517 - You'll still be on TV, right? 81 00:03:33,561 --> 00:03:34,866 - You know what kills me? 82 00:03:34,910 --> 00:03:37,260 That lawyer can say whatever about Betsy, 83 00:03:37,304 --> 00:03:39,610 and I can't do a thing about it. 84 00:03:39,654 --> 00:03:41,786 - Well, you're still gonna be on TV, right? 85 00:03:41,830 --> 00:03:44,354 - Yes, Min, probably. - Good. 86 00:03:44,398 --> 00:03:46,008 - Mark and Travis have to work, 87 00:03:46,051 --> 00:03:50,708 and I'd ask Sarah to go, but she's busy too. 88 00:03:50,752 --> 00:03:54,973 I just wish I could know what's happening. 89 00:03:55,017 --> 00:03:56,279 - I could stand up for you. 90 00:03:56,323 --> 00:03:59,587 - Oh, I don't know. 91 00:03:59,630 --> 00:04:01,328 Are you sure? - Oh, I've always wanted 92 00:04:01,371 --> 00:04:03,199 to be a spy. 93 00:04:03,243 --> 00:04:05,680 I could wear a wig! - [laughs] 94 00:04:05,723 --> 00:04:09,249 No, just--just text me what's going on, 95 00:04:09,292 --> 00:04:11,860 especially if Schwartz is talking 96 00:04:11,903 --> 00:04:14,079 about me and Betsy, okay? 97 00:04:14,123 --> 00:04:15,080 - You got it. 98 00:04:15,124 --> 00:04:16,734 - Okay. 99 00:04:16,778 --> 00:04:18,388 - You got it. 100 00:04:18,432 --> 00:04:20,172 You know... 101 00:04:20,216 --> 00:04:22,653 his associate, he called me. 102 00:04:22,697 --> 00:04:24,786 He wanted to know if your car was in the driveway 103 00:04:24,829 --> 00:04:26,309 the night Betsy was killed, and-- 104 00:04:26,353 --> 00:04:27,832 - Well, you know it was. 105 00:04:27,876 --> 00:04:30,008 - I know. That's what I told him. 106 00:04:30,052 --> 00:04:31,880 But, you know, I didn't see it exactly 107 00:04:31,923 --> 00:04:33,925 because I was watching "The Biggest Loser." 108 00:04:33,969 --> 00:04:35,927 - He's desperate, Min. 109 00:04:35,971 --> 00:04:39,322 But that doesn't mean that he can go harassing you. 110 00:04:39,366 --> 00:04:41,498 - Okay. 111 00:04:41,542 --> 00:04:44,022 - I'll take care of it. 112 00:04:44,066 --> 00:04:45,850 - [chuckles] 113 00:04:45,894 --> 00:04:52,335 ♪ 114 00:04:52,379 --> 00:04:54,337 [barking] 115 00:04:54,381 --> 00:04:56,339 - Ugh. 116 00:04:56,383 --> 00:04:57,862 Whoa. 117 00:04:57,906 --> 00:05:04,782 ♪ 118 00:05:04,826 --> 00:05:07,176 - Order whatever you want. It's on me. 119 00:05:07,219 --> 00:05:08,699 - I work here. 120 00:05:08,743 --> 00:05:10,440 - I'm so glad we could find a meeting place 121 00:05:10,484 --> 00:05:12,747 that was so convenient for you. 122 00:05:14,966 --> 00:05:16,620 [sighs heavily] How are you? 123 00:05:16,664 --> 00:05:19,580 You holding up all right? 124 00:05:19,623 --> 00:05:22,017 - I'm--I'm just broke. 125 00:05:22,060 --> 00:05:25,455 Pam says we can't get our money until our mom's trial's over. 126 00:05:25,499 --> 00:05:26,804 Can--can she even do that? 127 00:05:26,848 --> 00:05:28,415 - I wouldn't worry about Pam. 128 00:05:28,458 --> 00:05:29,807 She's just trying to do what she can 129 00:05:29,851 --> 00:05:31,896 to help your family get justice. 130 00:05:33,115 --> 00:05:37,467 - God, if--if my dad goes to prison, um-- 131 00:05:37,511 --> 00:05:41,123 - Look, I know you love your dad. 132 00:05:43,691 --> 00:05:46,346 But I also know you love your mom, 133 00:05:46,389 --> 00:05:48,783 and you want to do right by her. 134 00:05:50,654 --> 00:05:52,613 - What do you mean? 135 00:05:52,656 --> 00:05:55,877 - Well, I mean by testifying. 136 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:57,748 For your mom. 137 00:05:59,446 --> 00:06:02,187 - But how can you even be sure it was him? 138 00:06:02,231 --> 00:06:03,928 - I'm sorry. 139 00:06:03,972 --> 00:06:05,800 Everything I've got points to Russ. 140 00:06:05,843 --> 00:06:08,193 I have mountains of evidence. 141 00:06:08,237 --> 00:06:10,674 And you're gonna hear it all during the trial. 142 00:06:10,718 --> 00:06:12,459 - Okay, so why do you need me? 143 00:06:12,502 --> 00:06:14,199 - Well, I have to prove 144 00:06:14,243 --> 00:06:16,376 that someone committed a crime. 145 00:06:16,419 --> 00:06:19,901 ♪ 146 00:06:19,944 --> 00:06:22,730 And I would hate to force you to have to testify. 147 00:06:22,773 --> 00:06:24,732 What are you gonna get? 148 00:06:26,255 --> 00:06:28,518 - I don't--I don't know. 149 00:06:28,562 --> 00:06:30,520 narrator: As the case grew ever warmer, 150 00:06:30,564 --> 00:06:34,785 the story traveled, as stories will. 151 00:06:34,829 --> 00:06:38,223 And a television producer in Chicago caught the scent. 152 00:06:38,267 --> 00:06:40,835 Her name: Cathy Singer. 153 00:06:40,878 --> 00:06:42,706 - Apologies for the messages, Ms. Askey, 154 00:06:42,750 --> 00:06:44,578 but we'd really love the chance to speak with you. 155 00:06:44,621 --> 00:06:47,319 Again, this is Cathy Singer with "Dateline." 156 00:06:47,363 --> 00:06:49,191 You have my number. Thanks. 157 00:06:49,234 --> 00:06:51,062 Whitney! You there? 158 00:06:53,500 --> 00:06:54,544 Would you mind finding the number 159 00:06:54,588 --> 00:06:56,111 of the defense attorney for me? 160 00:06:56,154 --> 00:06:58,243 It's Schwartz something. 161 00:06:58,287 --> 00:07:02,073 And see what you can dig up on Pamela Hupp. 162 00:07:02,117 --> 00:07:03,553 The papers say she was the last person 163 00:07:03,597 --> 00:07:05,294 to see the victim alive. - Will do. 164 00:07:05,337 --> 00:07:07,731 The prosecutor hasn't returned my calls yet. 165 00:07:07,775 --> 00:07:09,733 - Hasn't picked up mine either. 166 00:07:09,777 --> 00:07:11,431 - Okay. No, no, yeah. 167 00:07:11,474 --> 00:07:12,475 Now grab it. Grab it. 168 00:07:12,519 --> 00:07:14,042 Grab it! Grab it! 169 00:07:14,085 --> 00:07:15,870 - I want to play something else, Mom. 170 00:07:15,913 --> 00:07:17,088 This one cheats. 171 00:07:17,132 --> 00:07:18,220 - No, no, no, no, honey, 172 00:07:18,263 --> 00:07:20,048 we already have tokens in this machine. 173 00:07:20,091 --> 00:07:21,789 Come on, give it another go. Let's go. 174 00:07:21,832 --> 00:07:23,486 - There's a-- there's a trick to it. 175 00:07:23,530 --> 00:07:24,966 - Oh, Chris, good. - You want help? 176 00:07:25,009 --> 00:07:26,010 - Yeah, we could use your help. 177 00:07:26,054 --> 00:07:28,709 - [laughs] Okay. Let me at it. 178 00:07:28,752 --> 00:07:31,451 Cold. Cold, cold. These are gonna be tighter. 179 00:07:31,494 --> 00:07:33,583 Okay, got it. 180 00:07:33,627 --> 00:07:36,194 - Well, he's scaring the neighbors. 181 00:07:36,238 --> 00:07:37,761 Don't know what to tell 'em. 182 00:07:37,805 --> 00:07:39,850 - He's just desperate. - I know. 183 00:07:39,894 --> 00:07:41,983 - Yeah, he's picking on you to confuse the jury. 184 00:07:42,026 --> 00:07:43,288 - Yeah. 185 00:07:43,332 --> 00:07:45,465 I told the whole block that he'd say anything 186 00:07:45,508 --> 00:07:47,031 to make his money. 187 00:07:47,075 --> 00:07:50,774 - Well, I'd put his money on us. 188 00:07:50,818 --> 00:07:53,603 See the lady at the claw machine? 189 00:07:53,647 --> 00:07:56,214 - Oh, we got it. - That's our judge. 190 00:07:56,258 --> 00:07:58,478 Our kids are on the same softball team. 191 00:07:58,521 --> 00:08:00,610 - No way. - Way. 192 00:08:00,654 --> 00:08:01,829 I know, I've known her since tenth grade. 193 00:08:01,872 --> 00:08:03,744 We used to call her Cankles. They did. 194 00:08:03,787 --> 00:08:05,049 They called her Cankles, not me. 195 00:08:05,093 --> 00:08:06,311 She's a good woman. 196 00:08:06,355 --> 00:08:07,530 God-fearing. 197 00:08:07,574 --> 00:08:09,314 A mother like us. 198 00:08:09,358 --> 00:08:11,273 - Thank God. - Oh, yeah. 199 00:08:11,316 --> 00:08:13,362 She's gonna see right through Schwartz. 200 00:08:13,405 --> 00:08:14,972 Don't worry. 201 00:08:15,016 --> 00:08:17,627 Here. Join the party! 202 00:08:17,671 --> 00:08:19,542 - [chuckles weakly] 203 00:08:19,586 --> 00:08:24,634 ♪ 204 00:08:24,678 --> 00:08:26,680 - Russell. - Hey. 205 00:08:26,723 --> 00:08:27,898 - These should keep you occupied. 206 00:08:27,942 --> 00:08:29,552 - Volume Two. You remembered. 207 00:08:29,596 --> 00:08:32,903 - [chuckling] Yeah. 208 00:08:32,947 --> 00:08:37,560 So...we got the prosecution's witness list. 209 00:08:37,604 --> 00:08:39,257 They're calling Lily and Mariah. 210 00:08:39,301 --> 00:08:41,521 You haven't been in touch with them at all, right? 211 00:08:41,564 --> 00:08:42,913 - No. 212 00:08:42,957 --> 00:08:45,220 - Well, calling them first tells us her strategy. 213 00:08:45,263 --> 00:08:48,440 She's gonna be going after your character. 214 00:08:48,484 --> 00:08:49,529 They're gonna try to make you out 215 00:08:49,572 --> 00:08:50,617 to be the kind of guy 216 00:08:50,660 --> 00:08:53,184 who would do something like this. 217 00:08:53,228 --> 00:08:55,665 Every fight, every argument, every misunderstanding, 218 00:08:55,709 --> 00:08:57,275 they're gonna bring it up. 219 00:08:57,319 --> 00:09:00,931 And we're gonna have to rebut your daughters' testimonies. 220 00:09:00,975 --> 00:09:03,107 So anything you got would help. 221 00:09:03,151 --> 00:09:05,588 Any history of lying or shoplifting? 222 00:09:05,632 --> 00:09:07,590 - I don't know. 223 00:09:07,634 --> 00:09:09,331 I'm not gonna do that. 224 00:09:09,374 --> 00:09:11,202 And they won't say anything bad about me. 225 00:09:11,246 --> 00:09:12,464 I was good to them. 226 00:09:12,508 --> 00:09:15,598 - You're facing life in prison. 227 00:09:15,642 --> 00:09:17,165 - [scoffs] 228 00:09:17,208 --> 00:09:20,429 They're not perfect, but I'm innocent. 229 00:09:20,472 --> 00:09:22,692 We shouldn't need to throw my kids under the bus. 230 00:09:22,736 --> 00:09:25,042 - I know. I know you love them. 231 00:09:25,086 --> 00:09:26,870 And they know it. 232 00:09:26,914 --> 00:09:29,046 But the stakes are simply too high. 233 00:09:29,090 --> 00:09:32,659 - So Askey just filed six motions. 234 00:09:32,702 --> 00:09:34,748 - What? Today? - Yeah. 235 00:09:34,791 --> 00:09:36,967 It's the other shoe. The, uh, other, other one. 236 00:09:37,011 --> 00:09:38,621 Not murder slipper one. 237 00:09:38,665 --> 00:09:39,970 - Do I even want to ask? 238 00:09:40,014 --> 00:09:42,364 - You don't, you didn't, but I'm gonna tell you. 239 00:09:42,407 --> 00:09:46,281 The largest shoe is her motion to block 240 00:09:46,324 --> 00:09:48,196 any implication that Pam Hupp was involved. 241 00:09:48,239 --> 00:09:51,721 - [chuckles] That's a Hail Mary. 242 00:09:51,765 --> 00:09:53,636 The judge dismissed it out of hand, right? 243 00:09:53,680 --> 00:09:55,682 - She wants to hear all the motions 244 00:09:55,725 --> 00:09:57,814 tomorrow, 7:00 a.m., in chambers. 245 00:09:57,858 --> 00:09:59,250 - Guys, what's that mean? 246 00:09:59,294 --> 00:10:00,512 - Well, it looks like we're facing 247 00:10:00,556 --> 00:10:02,079 a homecourt advantage, Russ. 248 00:10:02,123 --> 00:10:04,125 Leah and the judge go all the way back. 249 00:10:04,168 --> 00:10:06,170 - And if Askey can prevent us from showing 250 00:10:06,214 --> 00:10:07,781 whatever it is that we have on Pam... 251 00:10:07,824 --> 00:10:09,652 - We're in trouble? 252 00:10:09,696 --> 00:10:11,349 - No, no, no. We're fine. 253 00:10:11,393 --> 00:10:14,309 [solemn music] 254 00:10:14,352 --> 00:10:15,615 ♪ 255 00:10:15,658 --> 00:10:17,355 [exhales] 256 00:10:24,275 --> 00:10:24,449 . 257 00:10:24,493 --> 00:10:26,495 - Mr. Schwartz, you're known for representing 258 00:10:26,538 --> 00:10:28,410 murderers and drug dealers. 259 00:10:28,453 --> 00:10:30,934 Does that mean that Russ Faria's guilty? 260 00:10:30,978 --> 00:10:32,936 - Russ is an innocent man. 261 00:10:32,980 --> 00:10:34,242 I just want to see justice prevail. 262 00:10:34,285 --> 00:10:37,245 [dramatic music] 263 00:10:37,288 --> 00:10:41,641 ♪ 264 00:10:41,684 --> 00:10:42,772 [snorts] 265 00:10:47,124 --> 00:10:48,604 - Chocolate almond butter cookie cup? 266 00:10:48,648 --> 00:10:50,562 They're gluten-free. - Ooh, no thanks. 267 00:10:50,606 --> 00:10:51,868 - Yeah. 268 00:10:51,912 --> 00:10:53,087 Hey, it's what they eat in California, huh? 269 00:10:53,130 --> 00:10:54,697 [laughter] 270 00:10:54,741 --> 00:10:56,264 - Have a California cookie, Joel. 271 00:10:56,307 --> 00:10:57,744 - Yeah. [both laugh] 272 00:10:57,787 --> 00:10:58,832 Yeah, thank you. 273 00:10:58,875 --> 00:11:00,398 - Leah, you sure you don't want one? 274 00:11:02,096 --> 00:11:03,184 Mmm. So good. 275 00:11:03,227 --> 00:11:05,490 - [chuckles] - Super rich. 276 00:11:05,534 --> 00:11:06,927 - Yeah. - Mmm. 277 00:11:06,970 --> 00:11:08,580 Well, state, you can go ahead. - Thank you. 278 00:11:08,624 --> 00:11:12,323 We filed several motions to, one, preclude the defendant 279 00:11:12,367 --> 00:11:14,021 from bringing into evidence any claims 280 00:11:14,064 --> 00:11:15,457 about the insurance policy, 281 00:11:15,500 --> 00:11:18,329 and, two, to preclude any evidence 282 00:11:18,373 --> 00:11:20,462 regarding a witness, Pamela Hupp. 283 00:11:20,505 --> 00:11:22,333 - Your Honor, Pamela Hupp was the last person 284 00:11:22,377 --> 00:11:23,726 to see Betsy alive. - You don't know that. 285 00:11:23,770 --> 00:11:25,249 - And four days prior to Betsy's murder, 286 00:11:25,293 --> 00:11:27,295 Pamela Hupp became the beneficiary 287 00:11:27,338 --> 00:11:29,297 on Betsy's life insurance policy. 288 00:11:29,340 --> 00:11:31,168 - Ah, yes, the insurance policies. 289 00:11:31,212 --> 00:11:32,866 Is there any evidence that shows 290 00:11:32,909 --> 00:11:35,129 that those insurance papers were done incorrectly 291 00:11:35,172 --> 00:11:38,001 or signed under coercion or anything? 292 00:11:38,045 --> 00:11:38,959 - Uh, no. - No. 293 00:11:39,002 --> 00:11:40,308 - Uh, no. No. 294 00:11:40,351 --> 00:11:41,962 And to be honest, we're not exactly sure why 295 00:11:42,005 --> 00:11:44,529 Betsy decided to sign the life insurance policy 296 00:11:44,573 --> 00:11:46,662 over to Mrs. Hupp, but we do have 297 00:11:46,706 --> 00:11:48,795 cell phone records that prove that she lied 298 00:11:48,838 --> 00:11:50,405 about where she was at the time of the crime. 299 00:11:50,448 --> 00:11:51,580 - Pamela Hupp is not a suspect. 300 00:11:51,623 --> 00:11:53,277 - Yeah, well, she should be. 301 00:11:53,321 --> 00:11:55,192 - The point of the motion is to keep the defense 302 00:11:55,236 --> 00:11:57,978 from saying that Mrs. Hupp is a murderer 303 00:11:58,021 --> 00:12:00,894 with no direct evidence connecting her to a crime. 304 00:12:00,937 --> 00:12:02,156 - Unreasonable. 305 00:12:02,199 --> 00:12:03,766 There is no case law that prevents us 306 00:12:03,810 --> 00:12:05,463 from establishing a third party's connection 307 00:12:05,507 --> 00:12:07,161 to this crime, okay? - Ooh, maybe I will have one. 308 00:12:07,204 --> 00:12:09,337 - On those grounds alone, this motion should be denied. 309 00:12:09,380 --> 00:12:13,167 [tense music] 310 00:12:13,210 --> 00:12:14,472 - So what do you think, Your Honor? 311 00:12:14,516 --> 00:12:17,171 - Um... state's motion is granted. 312 00:12:17,214 --> 00:12:19,651 Insurance policies will only cause confusion with the jury. 313 00:12:19,695 --> 00:12:20,696 That also goes for Ms. Hupp. 314 00:12:20,740 --> 00:12:22,132 There's no direct evidence here 315 00:12:22,176 --> 00:12:23,438 that connects her to the crime. 316 00:12:23,481 --> 00:12:25,440 - Your Honor, I strenuously object to this-- 317 00:12:25,483 --> 00:12:26,484 both: Strenuously? 318 00:12:26,528 --> 00:12:27,834 - Ooh. - Okay, well, sorry, 319 00:12:27,877 --> 00:12:30,271 but gonna do things fair and square here, okay? 320 00:12:30,314 --> 00:12:31,185 Don't worry, you'll get your chance 321 00:12:31,228 --> 00:12:33,274 to present your case. 322 00:12:33,317 --> 00:12:35,493 - You know what? They can have Pam. 323 00:12:35,537 --> 00:12:37,844 Saudi was just a bonus. We don't need her. 324 00:12:37,887 --> 00:12:40,063 [vending machine clunks] 325 00:12:40,107 --> 00:12:42,544 There she is. Don't look. 326 00:12:43,980 --> 00:12:45,721 I cannot believe that Askey 327 00:12:45,765 --> 00:12:47,636 was gonna let a murderer walk just to win a case. 328 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:49,812 - Aren't you pretty famous for doing exactly that? 329 00:12:49,856 --> 00:12:52,380 - Okay, wait, here she comes. Here she comes. Here she comes. 330 00:12:54,556 --> 00:12:55,687 [clears throat] 331 00:12:55,731 --> 00:12:58,038 - Little something for you boys. 332 00:12:58,081 --> 00:13:00,823 Good luck in there. 333 00:13:00,867 --> 00:13:04,914 - Pay Day. That has to be intentional. 334 00:13:04,958 --> 00:13:06,960 - You never know with her. 335 00:13:07,003 --> 00:13:09,005 The evidence will show that this crime 336 00:13:09,049 --> 00:13:10,833 was an absolute tragedy. 337 00:13:10,877 --> 00:13:13,749 It was a tragedy for the Meyer-Faria family. 338 00:13:13,793 --> 00:13:16,447 It was also a tragedy for Russell Faria, 339 00:13:16,491 --> 00:13:18,406 hardworking father to two stepdaughters 340 00:13:18,449 --> 00:13:21,409 who may not have been his daughters by blood, 341 00:13:21,452 --> 00:13:22,845 but he raised them as if they were his own. 342 00:13:22,889 --> 00:13:24,107 [phone chimes and buzzes] 343 00:13:24,151 --> 00:13:27,241 - "I just got home from my friend's house, 344 00:13:27,284 --> 00:13:29,330 and my wife killed herself." 345 00:13:29,373 --> 00:13:32,812 That's what the defendant said 346 00:13:32,855 --> 00:13:36,380 when he saw his wife lying dead 347 00:13:36,424 --> 00:13:39,862 with 56 stab wounds in her. 348 00:13:39,906 --> 00:13:41,951 [phone chimes and buzzes] 349 00:13:41,995 --> 00:13:43,692 - [coughs] 350 00:13:43,735 --> 00:13:46,782 - Can't believe they put us all in here together. 351 00:13:46,826 --> 00:13:50,090 - In fact, you'll hear him wailing 352 00:13:50,133 --> 00:13:53,571 to the 911 operator, trying to convince himself 353 00:13:53,615 --> 00:13:56,270 that he didn't just kill his wife. 354 00:13:56,313 --> 00:13:57,619 - Okay, Your Honor, objection. 355 00:13:57,662 --> 00:14:00,274 She can't make arguments in her opening statement. 356 00:14:00,317 --> 00:14:02,319 - I'll withdraw. [phone chimes and buzzes] 357 00:14:03,277 --> 00:14:05,627 - [coughing] 358 00:14:05,670 --> 00:14:08,325 - Drink this. Here. 359 00:14:08,369 --> 00:14:10,501 You gotta keep a clear head up there. 360 00:14:10,545 --> 00:14:13,548 [dramatic music] 361 00:14:13,591 --> 00:14:16,638 - This is not your average game. 362 00:14:16,681 --> 00:14:18,640 I'm not talking about poker. 363 00:14:18,683 --> 00:14:22,470 Not talking about pool or bowling. 364 00:14:22,513 --> 00:14:25,299 No, this is a game 365 00:14:25,342 --> 00:14:28,215 where grown men 366 00:14:28,258 --> 00:14:30,304 project their fantasies 367 00:14:30,347 --> 00:14:33,481 by ripping the heads off of wizards 368 00:14:33,524 --> 00:14:35,831 and gutting their opponents like fish, 369 00:14:35,875 --> 00:14:38,573 all while drunk and smacked off pot. 370 00:14:38,616 --> 00:14:40,270 - Your Honor. 371 00:14:40,314 --> 00:14:42,577 - Are you gonna object to my entire opening statement? 372 00:14:42,620 --> 00:14:44,622 - If you keep saying objectionable things, yeah. 373 00:14:44,666 --> 00:14:46,711 - Counselors, let's just move on. 374 00:14:46,755 --> 00:14:48,931 - You'll hear evidence that the defendant was well aware 375 00:14:48,975 --> 00:14:51,368 that Betsy had three insurance policies 376 00:14:51,412 --> 00:14:52,848 totaling-- - Objection. 377 00:14:52,892 --> 00:14:55,372 I'm asking for a mistrial based on that statement. 378 00:14:55,416 --> 00:14:57,113 May we approach? - [scoffs] 379 00:14:59,289 --> 00:15:01,596 - The state cannot bring up insurance policies' existence, 380 00:15:01,639 --> 00:15:02,989 yet keep us from arguing 381 00:15:03,032 --> 00:15:04,425 about the policies being changed. 382 00:15:04,468 --> 00:15:06,514 You just ruled that that was inadmissible. 383 00:15:06,557 --> 00:15:07,994 - No, that's mischaracterization 384 00:15:08,037 --> 00:15:09,517 of my order. - No, that's what you said. 385 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:10,561 - No, no, no. - No, I'm saying 386 00:15:10,605 --> 00:15:12,215 that the policies go to motive. 387 00:15:12,259 --> 00:15:13,521 When Russ found out 388 00:15:13,564 --> 00:15:14,957 that Betsy gave Pam the policy, he snapped. 389 00:15:15,001 --> 00:15:16,959 - You have no proof to support that claim. 390 00:15:17,003 --> 00:15:18,482 Your Honor, mistrial. 391 00:15:18,526 --> 00:15:20,049 - Let's just dial down the melodrama, okay? 392 00:15:20,093 --> 00:15:22,573 The court will not be granting a mistrial. 393 00:15:22,617 --> 00:15:25,011 Ms. Askey, are you ready to call your first witness? 394 00:15:25,054 --> 00:15:27,100 Thank you. 395 00:15:28,579 --> 00:15:30,016 - What was that all about? 396 00:15:30,059 --> 00:15:32,888 - Well, they're taking away all of our defenses. 397 00:15:32,932 --> 00:15:35,369 Let's just hope you were right about your daughter. 398 00:15:35,412 --> 00:15:38,372 [tense music] 399 00:15:38,415 --> 00:15:45,596 ♪ 400 00:16:01,482 --> 00:16:01,699 . 401 00:16:01,743 --> 00:16:04,006 - How do you know the defendant? 402 00:16:04,050 --> 00:16:06,748 - He's my dad. 403 00:16:06,791 --> 00:16:08,968 Well, he--he raised me. 404 00:16:09,011 --> 00:16:11,100 - So he's your stepfather. 405 00:16:13,494 --> 00:16:16,105 Can you identify him? 406 00:16:16,149 --> 00:16:18,934 - He's over there in the middle, 407 00:16:18,978 --> 00:16:20,327 wearing a gray suit. 408 00:16:20,370 --> 00:16:22,155 - Let the record reflect that the witness 409 00:16:22,198 --> 00:16:26,333 has identified the defendant. 410 00:16:26,376 --> 00:16:29,684 So your mother married your stepfather 411 00:16:29,727 --> 00:16:31,468 when you were five. 412 00:16:31,512 --> 00:16:35,255 How would you describe the family dynamic? 413 00:16:35,298 --> 00:16:38,649 - Mom and Dad bickered a lot. 414 00:16:38,693 --> 00:16:42,044 Sometimes it was funny, like a grumpy old couple. 415 00:16:43,959 --> 00:16:45,874 But sometimes they'd fight. 416 00:16:45,917 --> 00:16:47,223 - Can you describe what you mean 417 00:16:47,267 --> 00:16:49,486 by "sometimes they'd fight"? 418 00:16:52,272 --> 00:16:55,014 - They cussed at each other, 419 00:16:55,057 --> 00:16:58,365 and they yelled across the house a lot. 420 00:16:58,408 --> 00:17:01,542 - Was your stepdad's cursing directed at your mother? 421 00:17:01,585 --> 00:17:03,457 [somber music] 422 00:17:03,500 --> 00:17:05,981 - Yeah. 423 00:17:06,025 --> 00:17:07,852 - Anyone else? 424 00:17:07,896 --> 00:17:09,419 - He, uh-- 425 00:17:09,463 --> 00:17:13,554 he cussed at me and my sister too. 426 00:17:13,597 --> 00:17:16,078 - Joel, that landed. 427 00:17:16,122 --> 00:17:17,732 Should we be doing something? 428 00:17:17,775 --> 00:17:19,342 - No, not yet. 429 00:17:19,386 --> 00:17:24,565 - Were you ever fearful of Russ' temper? 430 00:17:24,608 --> 00:17:28,090 - At times, yeah. 431 00:17:28,134 --> 00:17:35,271 ♪ 432 00:17:39,145 --> 00:17:41,147 - Nothing further. 433 00:17:48,154 --> 00:17:51,113 - Hey, you hang in there, all right? 434 00:17:51,157 --> 00:17:52,767 All right, that's gonna be the worst of it. 435 00:17:52,810 --> 00:17:59,991 ♪ 436 00:18:01,471 --> 00:18:04,474 [plastic bottle crackling] 437 00:18:13,831 --> 00:18:15,485 - How'd it go? 438 00:18:18,184 --> 00:18:21,448 Did you tell them about the yelling? 439 00:18:23,885 --> 00:18:27,018 - [sniffling] 440 00:18:31,458 --> 00:18:33,851 Dad-- - Let him go. 441 00:18:33,895 --> 00:18:36,898 Let him go. - [sobs] 442 00:18:36,941 --> 00:18:38,117 Dad. 443 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,771 - All you did was tell the truth. 444 00:18:40,815 --> 00:18:42,164 God knows. 445 00:18:43,731 --> 00:18:46,299 Hey. - [sobbing] 446 00:18:46,342 --> 00:18:49,084 - Your mom would be so proud of you. 447 00:18:52,870 --> 00:18:54,176 [phone chimes and buzzes] 448 00:18:54,220 --> 00:18:57,136 [tense music] 449 00:18:57,179 --> 00:19:04,012 ♪ 450 00:19:04,055 --> 00:19:07,711 - [sighs] - What happened? 451 00:19:07,755 --> 00:19:09,191 - Leah doesn't need me. 452 00:19:09,235 --> 00:19:10,453 Schwartz is too scared to call me up. 453 00:19:10,497 --> 00:19:13,543 - [groans] Oh, he's a son of a bitch. 454 00:19:13,587 --> 00:19:14,805 - Yeah. 455 00:19:14,849 --> 00:19:17,460 - You know, he's trying to act like my car 456 00:19:17,504 --> 00:19:20,594 wasn't in my driveway when I called Janet and Betsy. 457 00:19:20,637 --> 00:19:23,858 - [scoffs] That dummy should know. 458 00:19:23,901 --> 00:19:25,729 We can track any phone. 459 00:19:25,773 --> 00:19:28,950 - Yeah, you can. - Yeah. 460 00:19:28,993 --> 00:19:31,213 You're gonna kill it up there. 461 00:19:31,257 --> 00:19:34,129 Thanks for being so cool through all this. 462 00:19:34,173 --> 00:19:35,783 - Yeah. It's been hard. 463 00:19:35,826 --> 00:19:38,351 Kind of stuff that keeps you up at night, you know? 464 00:19:38,394 --> 00:19:41,745 And I already got a bad back. [chuckles] 465 00:19:41,789 --> 00:19:44,705 Ugh, this whole thing's been a mess. 466 00:19:44,748 --> 00:19:46,837 Not that you didn't do a great job. 467 00:19:46,881 --> 00:19:48,796 Really. 468 00:19:48,839 --> 00:19:50,276 Really great. 469 00:19:50,319 --> 00:19:52,887 But now I'm gonna-- 470 00:19:52,930 --> 00:19:54,715 I got it from here. 471 00:19:54,758 --> 00:19:58,458 - Detective Merkel... 472 00:19:58,501 --> 00:20:02,288 you stated there was blood 473 00:20:02,331 --> 00:20:05,987 all over the living room, but none on the defendant. 474 00:20:06,030 --> 00:20:08,250 Is that unusual? 475 00:20:08,294 --> 00:20:09,556 - I wouldn't say that it's unusual, 476 00:20:09,599 --> 00:20:11,558 but it's something that gave me pause. 477 00:20:11,601 --> 00:20:12,994 - Could he have washed it off? 478 00:20:13,037 --> 00:20:13,995 - It's very possible. 479 00:20:14,038 --> 00:20:17,041 - Calls for speculation. 480 00:20:17,085 --> 00:20:18,478 - I'll rephrase. 481 00:20:20,436 --> 00:20:22,133 Did you look for blood 482 00:20:22,177 --> 00:20:24,397 that could have been washed up 483 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,050 after Betsy was murdered? 484 00:20:26,094 --> 00:20:27,922 - We did. - And what did you find? 485 00:20:27,965 --> 00:20:29,837 - We found that blood had been cleaned up 486 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,318 at the scene, in the kitchen. 487 00:20:32,361 --> 00:20:33,667 - How do you know this? 488 00:20:33,710 --> 00:20:35,582 - Luminol photos were taken at the scene. 489 00:20:35,625 --> 00:20:38,672 Those photos indicated the perpetrator cleaned up. 490 00:20:38,715 --> 00:20:40,282 - Objection, Your Honor. 491 00:20:40,326 --> 00:20:41,370 We've never seen these photos. 492 00:20:41,414 --> 00:20:43,198 - Nothing further. 493 00:20:43,242 --> 00:20:45,418 - When you reviewed the so-called photos 494 00:20:45,461 --> 00:20:47,811 in question, uh, what did they show? 495 00:20:47,855 --> 00:20:48,943 - Absolutely nothing. 496 00:20:48,986 --> 00:20:50,118 - Absolutely nothing. 497 00:20:50,161 --> 00:20:51,902 And why is that? 498 00:20:51,946 --> 00:20:53,774 - The camera malfunctioned. 499 00:20:53,817 --> 00:20:56,167 - So there is no actual proof of a cleanup. 500 00:20:56,211 --> 00:20:58,779 - The photos were damaged, but I saw the blood reaction 501 00:20:58,822 --> 00:21:00,346 to the luminol solution, 502 00:21:00,389 --> 00:21:02,435 and there was blood in the kitchen. 503 00:21:02,478 --> 00:21:03,523 - So there is no proof. 504 00:21:03,566 --> 00:21:04,741 - Mr. Schwartz-- - There's no proof. 505 00:21:04,785 --> 00:21:07,135 - Mr. Schwartz, I suggest you just move on. 506 00:21:07,178 --> 00:21:08,876 [intense music] 507 00:21:08,919 --> 00:21:11,313 - And you sent officers to confirm the alibis 508 00:21:11,357 --> 00:21:12,445 of Sean Walker... 509 00:21:12,488 --> 00:21:14,882 - Objection. Hearsay. 510 00:21:14,925 --> 00:21:17,232 - I'm asking what he sent the officers to do. 511 00:21:17,276 --> 00:21:18,451 - But also what they learned, 512 00:21:18,494 --> 00:21:20,453 so, actually, double hearsay. 513 00:21:20,496 --> 00:21:21,802 - Are you--[gavel bangs] Kidding me? 514 00:21:21,845 --> 00:21:23,804 - Enough, Mr. Schwartz. Enough. 515 00:21:23,847 --> 00:21:25,458 I won't hesitate to hold you in contempt. 516 00:21:25,501 --> 00:21:26,763 - Okay, Your Honor-- - Okay, that's it. 517 00:21:26,807 --> 00:21:27,938 That's lunch. 518 00:21:27,982 --> 00:21:29,418 [indistinct chatter] 519 00:21:29,462 --> 00:21:31,638 - My God, that was brutal. 520 00:21:31,681 --> 00:21:34,597 Askey really put a dent in the Saudi defense. 521 00:21:34,641 --> 00:21:36,207 - Swanson. - Mike Warren. 522 00:21:36,251 --> 00:21:37,992 - Hey. - Hey. 523 00:21:38,035 --> 00:21:39,210 You're working in Troy? 524 00:21:39,254 --> 00:21:41,300 - DA's office. Nothing major. 525 00:21:41,343 --> 00:21:43,345 DUI jockey, parking tickets. 526 00:21:43,389 --> 00:21:45,086 - I'm here on the Faria case. 527 00:21:45,129 --> 00:21:46,261 Uh, Mike, this is Joel Schwartz. 528 00:21:46,305 --> 00:21:47,436 - I know. 529 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,003 I actually watched it all go down. 530 00:21:49,046 --> 00:21:50,831 - Yeah, down's the word. 531 00:21:50,874 --> 00:21:52,398 - I'll let you guys tend to your wounds. 532 00:21:52,441 --> 00:21:53,834 Good luck. - Hey. 533 00:21:53,877 --> 00:21:56,837 Nice to meet you, Mike. - Good to see you. 534 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:57,881 - Mike went to law school 535 00:21:57,925 --> 00:21:59,274 with one of my fraternity brothers. 536 00:21:59,318 --> 00:22:03,017 He's a good guy. - Oh, small world. 537 00:22:03,060 --> 00:22:04,932 - Small town. 538 00:22:04,975 --> 00:22:08,196 [rock music playing] 539 00:22:08,239 --> 00:22:11,025 Are you okay? 540 00:22:11,068 --> 00:22:14,507 - Yeah. 541 00:22:14,550 --> 00:22:16,552 That reporter was right, though. 542 00:22:16,596 --> 00:22:19,381 I have represented some very bad people. 543 00:22:19,425 --> 00:22:21,688 - Okay, but you're not now. 544 00:22:21,731 --> 00:22:23,298 Don't they say every defense attorney's 545 00:22:23,342 --> 00:22:25,344 gotta do one good thing? - [chuckles] 546 00:22:25,387 --> 00:22:28,259 My one good thing. 547 00:22:28,303 --> 00:22:30,523 We should get back to strategy. 548 00:22:30,566 --> 00:22:33,700 How to get through Pam Hupp. 549 00:22:33,743 --> 00:22:37,921 All right, we sink her... - We sink Askey. 550 00:22:37,965 --> 00:22:40,402 - All right, we know she's gonna lie, right? 551 00:22:40,446 --> 00:22:42,230 So we have to hold her to one story. 552 00:22:42,273 --> 00:22:43,710 - Yeah, it's not easy. 553 00:22:43,753 --> 00:22:46,060 I mean, she's created this entire web of lies. 554 00:22:46,103 --> 00:22:47,496 Everyone is caught in it. 555 00:22:47,540 --> 00:22:49,933 - Yeah, well, not us. 556 00:22:49,977 --> 00:22:51,457 No sir. 557 00:22:51,500 --> 00:22:54,460 narrator: Funny thing about spider webs, 558 00:22:54,503 --> 00:22:56,723 they're deceptive. 559 00:22:56,766 --> 00:22:59,769 People think a web is there to catch the prey 560 00:22:59,813 --> 00:23:03,860 when the web is really there to protect the spider. 561 00:23:03,904 --> 00:23:06,820 - The prosecution calls Pamela Hupp to the stand. 562 00:23:06,863 --> 00:23:09,823 [sinister music] 563 00:23:09,866 --> 00:23:16,786 ♪ 564 00:23:25,099 --> 00:23:25,273 . 565 00:23:25,316 --> 00:23:27,014 - So Bets came over one day 566 00:23:27,057 --> 00:23:28,624 complaining about gaining weight. 567 00:23:28,668 --> 00:23:30,887 [dramatic music] 568 00:23:30,931 --> 00:23:33,237 Her stomach was real bloated. 569 00:23:33,281 --> 00:23:35,457 [monitor beeping] 570 00:23:35,501 --> 00:23:38,329 I didn't think it was fat. 571 00:23:38,373 --> 00:23:39,766 I told her... 572 00:23:39,809 --> 00:23:42,072 that's a sign of cancer. 573 00:23:42,116 --> 00:23:43,509 - So you were the one that told her 574 00:23:43,552 --> 00:23:44,771 to go to the doctor. 575 00:23:44,814 --> 00:23:46,773 - Mm. - What? 576 00:23:46,816 --> 00:23:47,861 - Shh. 577 00:23:47,904 --> 00:23:50,864 [solemn music] 578 00:23:50,907 --> 00:23:52,474 ♪ 579 00:23:52,518 --> 00:23:54,389 - Thank you. 580 00:23:54,433 --> 00:23:57,174 Yeah. Correct. 581 00:23:57,218 --> 00:23:59,873 And that's when she found out 582 00:23:59,916 --> 00:24:04,530 that the cancer came back in her liver. 583 00:24:04,573 --> 00:24:07,707 [sniffs] She didn't take it well. 584 00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:09,883 And I knew she was gonna need me, 585 00:24:09,926 --> 00:24:12,102 so I made sure to be by her side, 586 00:24:12,146 --> 00:24:16,716 keeping her busy, even when I could barely drive. 587 00:24:16,759 --> 00:24:19,370 - You could barely drive? Why is that? 588 00:24:19,414 --> 00:24:20,502 - [clicks tongue] 589 00:24:22,417 --> 00:24:24,201 I'm disabled. 590 00:24:24,245 --> 00:24:26,552 Um, I-- 591 00:24:26,595 --> 00:24:28,510 I lost some disks. 592 00:24:28,554 --> 00:24:31,295 Got a plate in my neck 593 00:24:31,339 --> 00:24:33,515 and a TENS unit 594 00:24:33,559 --> 00:24:37,563 to stimulate the nerves down my left leg. 595 00:24:37,606 --> 00:24:39,434 But I'm fine. 596 00:24:39,478 --> 00:24:42,263 Doing great. 597 00:24:42,306 --> 00:24:44,439 Had to, for Bets. 598 00:24:46,136 --> 00:24:47,834 - And while you were getting to know Betsy, 599 00:24:47,877 --> 00:24:50,271 did you spend any time with her husband? 600 00:24:51,925 --> 00:24:55,102 - Um, I'd go over to her house a lot, 601 00:24:55,145 --> 00:24:58,584 and he'd be there sometimes, 602 00:24:58,627 --> 00:25:02,544 you know, hanging out, smoking. 603 00:25:02,588 --> 00:25:04,720 - The defendant would smoke in front of his wife 604 00:25:04,764 --> 00:25:06,461 who was dying of cancer? 605 00:25:06,505 --> 00:25:08,289 - I've never smoked around Pam. 606 00:25:08,332 --> 00:25:09,986 She--she couldn't name the brand I use. 607 00:25:10,030 --> 00:25:11,771 She hardly knows me. - Okay, okay. 608 00:25:11,814 --> 00:25:13,250 Don't worry, I'll get her on cross. 609 00:25:13,294 --> 00:25:15,035 - It's one of the reasons me and my husband, Mark, 610 00:25:15,078 --> 00:25:17,994 never socialized with him. 611 00:25:18,038 --> 00:25:19,996 And Betsy... 612 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,346 she was afraid. 613 00:25:22,390 --> 00:25:23,304 Oh, boy. 614 00:25:23,347 --> 00:25:26,002 He could be scary at times. 615 00:25:27,351 --> 00:25:30,441 But I stuck around, for Betsy. 616 00:25:33,183 --> 00:25:37,100 - You testified that Russ was degrading, 617 00:25:37,144 --> 00:25:38,972 but you told officers that you didn't know him well, 618 00:25:39,015 --> 00:25:41,627 and that you'd only met him three times. 619 00:25:41,670 --> 00:25:43,411 - Mm. 620 00:25:43,454 --> 00:25:45,500 I don't know. 621 00:25:45,544 --> 00:25:46,632 Probably. 622 00:25:46,675 --> 00:25:48,329 - So you didn't tell officers that? 623 00:25:48,372 --> 00:25:49,722 - Oh, I'm not saying that, I just-- 624 00:25:49,765 --> 00:25:51,201 I just don't remember. 625 00:25:51,245 --> 00:25:54,988 Don't forget, you know, brain injury over here. 626 00:25:55,031 --> 00:25:57,294 - Well, would it refresh your recollection 627 00:25:57,338 --> 00:25:59,601 if I showed you the statement you gave police? 628 00:25:59,645 --> 00:26:01,821 - No, it wouldn't. 629 00:26:01,864 --> 00:26:02,952 - What if I played you the recording 630 00:26:02,996 --> 00:26:04,301 with you on it? 631 00:26:04,345 --> 00:26:06,390 - Well, if you said I said it, that's fine. 632 00:26:06,434 --> 00:26:08,479 Alls I'm saying is that Betsy talked about it 633 00:26:08,523 --> 00:26:09,480 all the time. 634 00:26:09,524 --> 00:26:11,221 Everyone knew. 635 00:26:11,265 --> 00:26:13,354 - Let's jump ahead to the night of Betsy's murder. 636 00:26:13,397 --> 00:26:15,008 You took her home, even though she told you 637 00:26:15,051 --> 00:26:16,183 she didn't need a ride? 638 00:26:16,226 --> 00:26:17,837 - I'm sorry, what is the question? 639 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,101 - I'll rephrase. 640 00:26:21,144 --> 00:26:22,537 Hours before Betsy's death, 641 00:26:22,581 --> 00:26:24,626 you volunteered to drive her to her home in Troy. 642 00:26:24,670 --> 00:26:26,715 - No. She asked me. 643 00:26:26,759 --> 00:26:28,935 - She didn't tell you she already had a ride? 644 00:26:28,978 --> 00:26:30,676 - She asked me, could I take her, 645 00:26:30,719 --> 00:26:33,069 and then she would tell Russ. 646 00:26:33,113 --> 00:26:34,941 - I'm sorry, I'm just trying to make this make sense. 647 00:26:34,984 --> 00:26:38,509 So you drove to Betsy's mother's house, 648 00:26:38,553 --> 00:26:40,642 found out she didn't need a ride, 649 00:26:40,686 --> 00:26:42,383 but you took her home anyway. 650 00:26:42,426 --> 00:26:45,168 What, were you trying to track her down? 651 00:26:45,212 --> 00:26:47,344 - "Track her down"? 652 00:26:47,388 --> 00:26:49,520 I knew she was at her mom's. 653 00:26:49,564 --> 00:26:51,784 I didn't have to track her down. 654 00:26:51,827 --> 00:26:54,525 - So when you got to Betsy's house, 655 00:26:54,569 --> 00:26:56,658 you knew what time it was because you made a call 656 00:26:56,702 --> 00:26:58,921 to your husband at 7:04 p.m., correct? 657 00:26:58,965 --> 00:27:01,707 - Mm-hmm. Betsy wanted to chat. 658 00:27:01,750 --> 00:27:03,230 They hadn't talked in a while. 659 00:27:03,273 --> 00:27:05,536 - Mm-hmm, and you stayed for, what, 20 minutes? 660 00:27:05,580 --> 00:27:07,408 - Not sure. 661 00:27:07,451 --> 00:27:10,367 - Well, initially, you told police that-- 662 00:27:10,411 --> 00:27:12,021 that you never went in the house. 663 00:27:12,065 --> 00:27:13,675 - Not what I said. 664 00:27:13,719 --> 00:27:15,242 - Did you go in the house? Yes or no? 665 00:27:15,285 --> 00:27:17,244 - No, I did go in the house. 666 00:27:17,287 --> 00:27:18,462 - Well, then you changed your story. 667 00:27:18,506 --> 00:27:19,420 - No. 668 00:27:19,463 --> 00:27:21,378 No, I didn't change my story. 669 00:27:21,422 --> 00:27:23,990 I just didn't remember at the time. 670 00:27:24,033 --> 00:27:25,382 I mean... 671 00:27:25,426 --> 00:27:28,255 my friend was just murdered. 672 00:27:28,298 --> 00:27:31,301 So I told them the real story later. 673 00:27:31,345 --> 00:27:33,956 - The--the real story. 674 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,524 [laughs] 675 00:27:36,567 --> 00:27:39,745 Mrs. Hupp, what do you remember? 676 00:27:39,788 --> 00:27:42,704 [tense music] 677 00:27:42,748 --> 00:27:44,619 - I don't know. 678 00:27:44,663 --> 00:27:46,752 I feel like you're trying to get me to say something 679 00:27:46,795 --> 00:27:48,101 that I don't remember. 680 00:27:48,144 --> 00:27:50,016 - Your Honor, this feels personal. 681 00:27:50,059 --> 00:27:53,715 - Look, I'm simply questioning Mrs. Hupp's inconsistencies, 682 00:27:53,759 --> 00:27:55,412 something nobody else has done even though she was 683 00:27:55,456 --> 00:27:57,110 the last person to see Betsy alive. 684 00:27:57,153 --> 00:27:58,807 - This is improper impeachment. 685 00:27:58,851 --> 00:28:00,069 - This is not impeachment. 686 00:28:00,113 --> 00:28:01,462 These are her words. It's what she said. 687 00:28:01,505 --> 00:28:03,203 - He's trying to blame her. 688 00:28:03,246 --> 00:28:04,552 - Yeah, Mr. Schwartz, I'm gonna ask you 689 00:28:04,595 --> 00:28:06,206 to please refrain from bullying the witness. 690 00:28:06,249 --> 00:28:08,121 Ms. Hupp is not on trial. 691 00:28:08,164 --> 00:28:09,296 - Okay, fine. 692 00:28:09,339 --> 00:28:11,820 Mrs. Hupp, a few more questions. 693 00:28:11,864 --> 00:28:14,301 On December 23rd, 694 00:28:14,344 --> 00:28:16,433 four days before Betsy's murder, 695 00:28:16,477 --> 00:28:19,219 she made you the beneficiary of a life insurance policy 696 00:28:19,262 --> 00:28:20,960 that had been in Russ' name for eight years. 697 00:28:21,003 --> 00:28:22,613 - Objection, it's been decided 698 00:28:22,657 --> 00:28:25,007 counsel cannot question Mrs. Hupp 699 00:28:25,051 --> 00:28:27,401 regarding insurance policies. 700 00:28:27,444 --> 00:28:29,359 - Where's--where's the line of questioning going here? 701 00:28:29,403 --> 00:28:31,492 - It's an offer of proof. 702 00:28:31,535 --> 00:28:34,277 It is no different than Askey suggesting 703 00:28:34,321 --> 00:28:35,757 Russ' connection to the policy, 704 00:28:35,801 --> 00:28:38,629 if I could just get a little bit of latitude here. 705 00:28:38,673 --> 00:28:39,935 - Okay, fine. 706 00:28:39,979 --> 00:28:41,371 In the interest of balance, I'll consider it. 707 00:28:41,415 --> 00:28:42,677 - Okay. - Okay. 708 00:28:42,721 --> 00:28:44,635 Oh, uh, but I just-- 709 00:28:44,679 --> 00:28:46,072 I want to hear it first before deciding 710 00:28:46,115 --> 00:28:48,509 if the jury's gonna hear it, okay? 711 00:28:48,552 --> 00:28:49,989 I just want to hear it first. 712 00:28:50,032 --> 00:28:51,730 Uh, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, 713 00:28:51,773 --> 00:28:53,906 the court will now excuse you for just a brief moment 714 00:28:53,949 --> 00:28:55,124 while the defendant here provides me 715 00:28:55,168 --> 00:28:56,560 with an offer of proof. 716 00:28:56,604 --> 00:28:58,258 Thank you. 717 00:28:58,301 --> 00:29:00,086 Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. 718 00:29:02,044 --> 00:29:03,176 What you got? 719 00:29:03,219 --> 00:29:06,875 - I submit defendant's exhibit C. 720 00:29:06,919 --> 00:29:08,050 - Mm-hmm. - That is a copy 721 00:29:08,094 --> 00:29:09,704 of the adjusted policy. 722 00:29:09,748 --> 00:29:12,533 Mrs. Hupp, why did Betsy make you the beneficiary 723 00:29:12,576 --> 00:29:14,013 on the policy instead of somebody 724 00:29:14,056 --> 00:29:15,188 in her own family? 725 00:29:15,231 --> 00:29:16,493 - Betsy wanted to make sure 726 00:29:16,537 --> 00:29:18,495 her daughters got the money, 727 00:29:18,539 --> 00:29:21,803 and she couldn't trust Russ to do that. 728 00:29:21,847 --> 00:29:24,240 - Why did you tell the insurance company 729 00:29:24,284 --> 00:29:27,722 to give Betsy's daughters no money because 730 00:29:27,766 --> 00:29:29,115 "Lily was on drugs 731 00:29:29,158 --> 00:29:31,987 and Mariah had blown money away before"? 732 00:29:32,031 --> 00:29:33,946 - Say that again? 733 00:29:33,989 --> 00:29:36,557 - You said that Lily was on drugs 734 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,864 and Mariah had blown money away before. 735 00:29:38,907 --> 00:29:40,996 - No. No. No, no, no, no. 736 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:42,041 Not how I worded it. 737 00:29:42,084 --> 00:29:43,869 - I have a business record proving 738 00:29:43,912 --> 00:29:45,087 that these are your words. 739 00:29:45,131 --> 00:29:47,307 - I'm going through menopause. 740 00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:50,223 And it's been a long time. 741 00:29:50,266 --> 00:29:52,051 I cannot tell you every detail 742 00:29:52,094 --> 00:29:54,227 of everything that I said. 743 00:29:54,270 --> 00:29:55,881 - Your Honor-- - But I didn't say that. 744 00:29:55,924 --> 00:29:59,058 - It is paramount that the jury hears these answers. 745 00:29:59,101 --> 00:30:00,581 It will show that the wrong person 746 00:30:00,624 --> 00:30:02,235 is on trial here. - Mr. Schwartz, 747 00:30:02,278 --> 00:30:04,237 I just don't see the connection to Ms. Hupp. 748 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:05,412 The state has questioned her. 749 00:30:05,455 --> 00:30:07,588 They found no motive. No evidence. 750 00:30:07,631 --> 00:30:09,372 I think it's unnecessary, and honestly, I think 751 00:30:09,416 --> 00:30:12,506 it's just a little unfair to keep pointing the finger 752 00:30:12,549 --> 00:30:15,074 at somebody who's not even a suspect. 753 00:30:15,117 --> 00:30:16,597 - All right. 754 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,599 Let the record show that I'd asked for a mistrial. 755 00:30:20,993 --> 00:30:28,130 ♪ 756 00:30:39,663 --> 00:30:42,188 - Did she have that limp before? 757 00:30:42,231 --> 00:30:44,016 - No. 758 00:30:44,059 --> 00:30:46,235 No, she did not. 759 00:30:50,979 --> 00:30:52,415 [door creaks] 760 00:30:54,853 --> 00:30:56,202 - What you heard in there... - You lied to us. 761 00:30:56,245 --> 00:30:57,899 - Wasn't true. I didn't lie to you. 762 00:30:57,943 --> 00:30:59,335 I didn't. It's just-- 763 00:30:59,379 --> 00:31:02,425 I didn't tell you the truth to save your feelings. 764 00:31:02,469 --> 00:31:04,210 - Just give us our money, Pam. 765 00:31:04,253 --> 00:31:06,212 - Or we'll sue you. - Listen, okay? 766 00:31:06,255 --> 00:31:07,604 I promised your mom that I would 767 00:31:07,648 --> 00:31:09,737 look after you girls, and that's what I'm doing. 768 00:31:09,780 --> 00:31:11,260 Hand to God. 769 00:31:11,304 --> 00:31:13,306 - We'll believe you once we get our money. 770 00:31:13,349 --> 00:31:15,264 - Excuse me. 771 00:31:17,527 --> 00:31:19,834 - What am I supposed to do? 772 00:31:19,878 --> 00:31:23,316 I set up that trust, and-- and now they want to sue me. 773 00:31:23,359 --> 00:31:25,405 - [sighs] - That won't look good. 774 00:31:25,448 --> 00:31:27,233 Not for anyone. 775 00:31:28,364 --> 00:31:29,888 - I'll take care of it. 776 00:31:29,931 --> 00:31:35,545 ♪ 777 00:31:37,939 --> 00:31:38,157 . 778 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,072 - What happened to all the peanuts? 779 00:31:40,115 --> 00:31:42,465 They keep eating all the peanuts. 780 00:31:42,509 --> 00:31:44,293 - You know, you keep feeding them like that, 781 00:31:44,337 --> 00:31:45,425 they'll never go away. 782 00:31:45,468 --> 00:31:46,861 - [laughs] 783 00:31:46,905 --> 00:31:49,646 Why would I ever want them to go away? 784 00:31:49,690 --> 00:31:50,909 - Right. 785 00:31:50,952 --> 00:31:52,693 - Oh, you were so great on the stand. 786 00:31:52,736 --> 00:31:54,129 You're such a tough girl. 787 00:31:54,173 --> 00:31:55,957 And, oh, I just can't believe I'm seeing it. 788 00:31:56,001 --> 00:31:58,307 It's all live. It's just like a movie. 789 00:31:58,351 --> 00:32:00,527 And it's all anybody's talking about. 790 00:32:00,570 --> 00:32:02,964 And "Dateline" is here. 791 00:32:03,008 --> 00:32:04,313 - Oh, yeah? - Yeah. 792 00:32:04,357 --> 00:32:06,315 This lady came up to me, Cathy something. 793 00:32:06,359 --> 00:32:07,969 She gave me her card. 794 00:32:08,013 --> 00:32:09,971 - Was she wearing a suit? - Yes. 795 00:32:10,015 --> 00:32:11,277 She is a big-time producer. 796 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,409 They're making a whole show about Betsy. 797 00:32:13,453 --> 00:32:14,845 She's very sweet, 798 00:32:14,889 --> 00:32:16,978 and she asked me about you too. 799 00:32:17,022 --> 00:32:18,545 - What'd you tell her? - Just that you were 800 00:32:18,588 --> 00:32:20,851 Betsy's best friend, and-- 801 00:32:20,895 --> 00:32:23,115 and I'm sure she's gonna reach out to you. 802 00:32:23,158 --> 00:32:24,681 - Wow. [both laugh] 803 00:32:24,725 --> 00:32:26,901 - All these people asking questions 804 00:32:26,945 --> 00:32:28,859 that are none of their business. 805 00:32:28,903 --> 00:32:30,774 And you keep talking to 'em. 806 00:32:30,818 --> 00:32:32,863 [tense music] 807 00:32:32,907 --> 00:32:35,997 - Well--so, you excited about closing arguments? 808 00:32:36,041 --> 00:32:39,435 - No. I did my part. 809 00:32:39,479 --> 00:32:40,871 - Oh, okay. 810 00:32:40,915 --> 00:32:42,743 Well... [chuckles] 811 00:32:42,786 --> 00:32:44,353 Can't let my squirrels go hungry 812 00:32:44,397 --> 00:32:46,355 because, you know, Bushy Tail is always stealing 813 00:32:46,399 --> 00:32:49,489 Skinny Tail's share, so I'll--I'll see you later. 814 00:32:49,532 --> 00:32:51,099 narrator: It's hard to know when you've stepped 815 00:32:51,143 --> 00:32:53,754 on a land mine with Pam Hupp. 816 00:32:53,797 --> 00:32:56,017 The explosion may take its time. 817 00:32:56,061 --> 00:32:58,019 - How do you know Russell Faria? 818 00:32:58,063 --> 00:33:01,718 - We met playing games about 15 years ago. 819 00:33:01,762 --> 00:33:03,590 Every Tuesday at my place. 820 00:33:03,633 --> 00:33:04,895 - Playing games? What do you mean? 821 00:33:04,939 --> 00:33:08,203 - Card games, board games, 822 00:33:08,247 --> 00:33:11,902 Warhammer, Dungeons & Dragons, Witch Warriors. 823 00:33:11,946 --> 00:33:13,513 - Can you explain those a little? 824 00:33:13,556 --> 00:33:15,167 - Role-playing games. 825 00:33:15,210 --> 00:33:16,646 I'm an elf king. 826 00:33:16,690 --> 00:33:19,388 Russ was a archer monk. 827 00:33:19,432 --> 00:33:22,043 He could fly. 828 00:33:22,087 --> 00:33:24,002 - Tell me about December 27th. 829 00:33:24,045 --> 00:33:27,875 - Well, we finally attacked the Lord of Entropy. 830 00:33:29,094 --> 00:33:30,530 - We had some beers, 831 00:33:30,573 --> 00:33:32,358 smoked a little you-know-what. 832 00:33:32,401 --> 00:33:36,579 - We spoke to the police three times, 833 00:33:36,623 --> 00:33:38,668 together and separately. 834 00:33:38,712 --> 00:33:40,322 - And your story has never changed? 835 00:33:40,366 --> 00:33:41,410 - Not once. 836 00:33:41,454 --> 00:33:42,585 I can guarantee you 837 00:33:42,629 --> 00:33:46,502 between the hours of 6:00 and 9:00 p.m., 838 00:33:46,546 --> 00:33:48,243 Russ was at my place, 839 00:33:48,287 --> 00:33:49,592 sitting next to the five of us. 840 00:33:49,636 --> 00:33:50,811 - Greg Chatton. 841 00:33:50,854 --> 00:33:53,074 I am a computer forensic specialist, 842 00:33:53,118 --> 00:33:55,598 qualified as an expert in cellular mapping. 843 00:33:55,642 --> 00:33:57,426 We were able to track the defendant's phone 844 00:33:57,470 --> 00:33:59,211 because a cell phone will connect 845 00:33:59,254 --> 00:34:00,951 to the tower with the strongest signal. 846 00:34:00,995 --> 00:34:02,040 From those towers, 847 00:34:02,083 --> 00:34:03,432 we can approximate his location. 848 00:34:03,476 --> 00:34:05,913 And at 9:09 p.m., Russell Faria's phone 849 00:34:05,956 --> 00:34:07,784 was at least ten miles from his home. 850 00:34:07,828 --> 00:34:10,396 - And you were able to put him at or near the Arby's 851 00:34:10,439 --> 00:34:11,875 at the time of the time-stamped receipt? 852 00:34:11,919 --> 00:34:12,963 - Yes. 853 00:34:13,007 --> 00:34:15,140 - The way I see it, 854 00:34:15,183 --> 00:34:18,882 he can't be two places at one time, 855 00:34:18,926 --> 00:34:21,276 so... 856 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,931 - Okay, let's just take a brief recess 857 00:34:23,974 --> 00:34:25,367 before hearing closing arguments. 858 00:34:25,411 --> 00:34:26,412 [gavel bangs] 859 00:34:26,455 --> 00:34:27,978 - [grunts] Just a little further. 860 00:34:28,022 --> 00:34:29,980 - Let it hurt - You can do it. 861 00:34:30,024 --> 00:34:32,374 - [grunting] [indistinct chatter] 862 00:34:32,418 --> 00:34:34,289 - You're so close! 863 00:34:34,333 --> 00:34:37,249 [all cheering] 864 00:34:39,033 --> 00:34:40,295 - I can't believe Joel's gonna rest 865 00:34:40,339 --> 00:34:42,471 his entire case on four man-babies. 866 00:34:42,515 --> 00:34:43,733 Look at them. 867 00:34:43,777 --> 00:34:45,474 - Save me those pretzels, baby. 868 00:34:45,518 --> 00:34:46,910 Save me those pretzels. 869 00:34:46,954 --> 00:34:49,217 - Man versus machine, battle of the ages. 870 00:34:49,261 --> 00:34:51,001 - She's realizing she blew it. 871 00:34:51,045 --> 00:34:53,003 - I don't really think she has that 872 00:34:53,047 --> 00:34:54,788 in her character. - Oh, come on. 873 00:34:54,831 --> 00:34:56,137 She made Russ look like a killer, 874 00:34:56,181 --> 00:34:57,486 she kept us away from Pam, 875 00:34:57,530 --> 00:34:59,793 but she never told us how he could have done it. 876 00:34:59,836 --> 00:35:02,012 She never touched the alibi witnesses, 877 00:35:02,056 --> 00:35:03,144 never explained the Arby's receipt, 878 00:35:03,188 --> 00:35:04,319 game night, any of it. 879 00:35:04,363 --> 00:35:06,234 She never told a cohesive story. 880 00:35:06,278 --> 00:35:08,802 That is reasonable doubt 100%, and she knows it. 881 00:35:08,845 --> 00:35:11,805 - For the last three days, 882 00:35:11,848 --> 00:35:16,636 we have heard all about Betsy Faria's death. 883 00:35:17,985 --> 00:35:20,901 But for just a minute, 884 00:35:20,944 --> 00:35:24,470 I want to talk to you about her life. 885 00:35:24,513 --> 00:35:26,385 Who was Betsy? 886 00:35:26,428 --> 00:35:28,474 She was a mom. 887 00:35:28,517 --> 00:35:30,911 She had two daughters. 888 00:35:30,954 --> 00:35:32,869 She loved music, 889 00:35:32,913 --> 00:35:34,697 and she loved to DJ. 890 00:35:34,741 --> 00:35:37,178 - Let's talk about proof. 891 00:35:37,222 --> 00:35:38,962 She talked about reasonable doubt. 892 00:35:39,006 --> 00:35:40,573 Let's not go to reasonable doubt, not yet. 893 00:35:40,616 --> 00:35:42,227 Proof. 894 00:35:42,270 --> 00:35:44,533 - Who else was Betsy Faria? 895 00:35:44,577 --> 00:35:48,624 I think she was a victim of domestic violence. 896 00:35:48,668 --> 00:35:50,191 We heard from her daughters, 897 00:35:50,235 --> 00:35:53,194 we heard from her close friend, Pam Hupp, 898 00:35:53,238 --> 00:35:56,545 that there were a lot of arguments, 899 00:35:56,589 --> 00:36:00,419 profanity, disrespect. 900 00:36:00,462 --> 00:36:03,422 That's just the shred of what we got to see 901 00:36:03,465 --> 00:36:04,379 into her life. 902 00:36:04,423 --> 00:36:07,295 - There were no wounds on Russ. 903 00:36:07,339 --> 00:36:08,383 There wasn't even a scratch. 904 00:36:08,427 --> 00:36:09,732 He had no blood on his hands, 905 00:36:09,776 --> 00:36:11,908 no blood underneath his fingernails, nothing. 906 00:36:11,952 --> 00:36:14,259 - He's cunning. 907 00:36:14,302 --> 00:36:18,437 He made all these stops to establish an alibi. 908 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,615 But I am here to tell you that nothing is what it seems. 909 00:36:22,658 --> 00:36:25,183 - We know that Russ went to the pet store. 910 00:36:25,226 --> 00:36:26,967 And thanks to a time-stamped receipt, 911 00:36:27,010 --> 00:36:28,403 confirmed by cell phone data, 912 00:36:28,447 --> 00:36:30,927 we know that he simply didn't have enough time 913 00:36:30,971 --> 00:36:32,233 to get his food, to drive home, 914 00:36:32,277 --> 00:36:34,496 to murder his wife, to take a shower, 915 00:36:34,540 --> 00:36:35,889 call the police-- 916 00:36:35,932 --> 00:36:37,760 it is impossible. 917 00:36:37,804 --> 00:36:41,373 - I think he got a steak knife from his own kitchen, 918 00:36:41,416 --> 00:36:45,246 I think he stood over his wife, 919 00:36:45,290 --> 00:36:47,944 and he stabbed her. 920 00:36:47,988 --> 00:36:50,686 This was personal. 921 00:36:50,730 --> 00:36:52,645 But then get got careless. 922 00:36:52,688 --> 00:36:54,255 He took a shower, 923 00:36:54,299 --> 00:36:56,039 getting rid of any evidence. 924 00:36:56,083 --> 00:36:57,171 He thought of everything. 925 00:36:57,215 --> 00:37:00,261 It was perfectly staged, 926 00:37:00,305 --> 00:37:02,872 except the slippers. 927 00:37:02,916 --> 00:37:06,267 He forgot about the slippers when he stepped in her blood. 928 00:37:06,311 --> 00:37:08,617 - Don't be fooled by these slippers. 929 00:37:08,661 --> 00:37:09,966 There was no blood on the bottom 930 00:37:10,010 --> 00:37:12,273 of the slippers, only on the top, 931 00:37:12,317 --> 00:37:15,798 as if they were dipped in blood. 932 00:37:15,842 --> 00:37:18,975 And there was a lot of blood at the residence, 933 00:37:19,019 --> 00:37:21,674 but not one iota on the defendant. 934 00:37:21,717 --> 00:37:25,417 - And why wasn't there any blood on his clothes? 935 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,335 I don't think he was wearing clothes. 936 00:37:30,378 --> 00:37:33,468 And folks, I am gonna tell you that I don't think 937 00:37:33,512 --> 00:37:38,125 this stabbing was suicide or even looked like one. 938 00:37:38,168 --> 00:37:40,475 - Today, you saw four people testify 939 00:37:40,519 --> 00:37:43,173 that they were with Russ at the time of the murder. 940 00:37:43,217 --> 00:37:45,045 Now that--that's proof. 941 00:37:45,088 --> 00:37:46,829 - Sure. 942 00:37:46,873 --> 00:37:49,223 Russ went home to Troy. 943 00:37:49,267 --> 00:37:51,747 But then I submit to you 944 00:37:51,791 --> 00:37:55,273 that Sean Walker went to the Arby's, not Russ. 945 00:37:55,316 --> 00:37:57,144 Walker got the receipts. 946 00:37:57,187 --> 00:37:59,712 He drove to Russell's in Troy. 947 00:37:59,755 --> 00:38:01,322 They exchanged phones. 948 00:38:01,366 --> 00:38:02,758 They all text. 949 00:38:02,802 --> 00:38:04,064 They coordinate, 950 00:38:04,107 --> 00:38:07,197 making sure the defendant's alibi 951 00:38:07,241 --> 00:38:08,808 is sealed. - Your Honor, 952 00:38:08,851 --> 00:38:12,028 she just accused four people of being complicit to a murder 953 00:38:12,072 --> 00:38:13,203 without a sliver of evidence. 954 00:38:13,247 --> 00:38:15,205 - This goes to planning, accomplices. 955 00:38:15,249 --> 00:38:17,120 - Yeah, I'm gonna allow it. 956 00:38:17,164 --> 00:38:19,297 - I think he had help. 957 00:38:19,340 --> 00:38:23,213 They all helped him kill Betsy. 958 00:38:23,257 --> 00:38:25,694 They were all in on it. 959 00:38:25,738 --> 00:38:29,132 ♪ 960 00:38:29,176 --> 00:38:30,308 - What do you think it feels like to be 961 00:38:30,351 --> 00:38:32,353 one of these four right now, huh? 962 00:38:32,397 --> 00:38:34,834 At home just hanging out, playing board games, 963 00:38:34,877 --> 00:38:38,141 and then some desperate person accuses you 964 00:38:38,185 --> 00:38:39,708 of being an accomplice to a murder. 965 00:38:39,752 --> 00:38:42,624 That is insane. That is absolutely insane. 966 00:38:42,668 --> 00:38:44,278 We have video. We have receipts. 967 00:38:44,322 --> 00:38:46,367 We have eyewitnesses. 968 00:38:46,411 --> 00:38:49,805 Shame on anybody who's judging Russ. 969 00:38:49,849 --> 00:38:52,068 Shame on anyone who's judging Russ' grief. 970 00:38:52,112 --> 00:38:53,766 Shame, shame, shame. 971 00:38:53,809 --> 00:38:55,768 Leah Askey has no proof 972 00:38:55,811 --> 00:38:58,553 that connects Russ to Betsy's murder. 973 00:38:58,597 --> 00:39:01,861 Russ could not be in two places at one time. 974 00:39:01,904 --> 00:39:05,255 Find him not guilty, please, 975 00:39:05,299 --> 00:39:08,563 because he's an innocent man. 976 00:39:08,607 --> 00:39:10,304 Thank you. 977 00:39:13,220 --> 00:39:15,440 Well, it's in the jury's hands now. 978 00:39:18,878 --> 00:39:20,096 - Would the defendant please rise 979 00:39:20,140 --> 00:39:21,402 to receive the verdict? 980 00:39:21,446 --> 00:39:24,362 [suspenseful music] 981 00:39:24,405 --> 00:39:26,668 ♪ 982 00:39:26,712 --> 00:39:28,409 [clears throat] 983 00:39:31,456 --> 00:39:34,589 "As to count one, we the jury find 984 00:39:34,633 --> 00:39:39,942 Russell Faria guilty of murder in the first degree." 985 00:39:39,986 --> 00:39:43,946 - No! [crowd muttering] 986 00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:45,905 [both crying] 987 00:39:45,948 --> 00:39:47,123 - "We declare the punishment 988 00:39:47,167 --> 00:39:48,168 for murder in the first degree"... 989 00:39:48,211 --> 00:39:49,517 - Yes! 990 00:39:49,561 --> 00:39:51,127 - "Is imprisonment for life 991 00:39:51,171 --> 00:39:54,304 "without the eligibility for parole. 992 00:39:54,348 --> 00:39:56,916 "As to count two, we the jury find 993 00:39:56,959 --> 00:40:00,136 Russell Faria guilty of armed criminal action." 994 00:40:00,180 --> 00:40:03,139 [solemn music] 995 00:40:03,183 --> 00:40:09,189 ♪ 996 00:40:09,232 --> 00:40:10,538 - We love you, Russ. 997 00:40:13,323 --> 00:40:16,414 [applause] 998 00:40:22,681 --> 00:40:24,160 - Come on, let's get out of here. 999 00:40:24,204 --> 00:40:31,341 ♪ 1000 00:40:42,483 --> 00:40:44,485 - Mr. Schwartz. 1001 00:40:44,529 --> 00:40:46,705 Cathy Singer. We spoke on the phone? 1002 00:40:46,748 --> 00:40:48,533 - Oh, I'm sorry we couldn't give you much of a story. 1003 00:40:48,576 --> 00:40:50,448 - Well, I actually think there's something here. 1004 00:40:50,491 --> 00:40:52,014 I'm gonna stick around a bit. 1005 00:40:52,058 --> 00:40:53,538 - Well, that's good. 1006 00:40:53,581 --> 00:40:55,235 'Cause we're not done. 1007 00:40:55,278 --> 00:40:56,497 - We're not? - No. 1008 00:40:56,541 --> 00:40:58,107 I can't imagine Russ is gonna get 1009 00:40:58,151 --> 00:40:59,413 a fair trial in this town, 1010 00:40:59,457 --> 00:41:01,371 but I am not gonna quit until he's free. 1011 00:41:01,415 --> 00:41:02,634 All right? Have a good day. 1012 00:41:03,809 --> 00:41:05,550 - We'll start from the top down. 1013 00:41:05,593 --> 00:41:07,813 Your brow position is reasonably good. 1014 00:41:07,856 --> 00:41:09,336 - Good to know. 1015 00:41:09,379 --> 00:41:13,819 - And then we'll clean up your upper and lower eyelids. 1016 00:41:13,862 --> 00:41:17,213 And some structural fat grafting in your cheeks 1017 00:41:17,257 --> 00:41:19,389 and T-zone area. 1018 00:41:19,433 --> 00:41:22,218 And last, it's your neck. 1019 00:41:22,262 --> 00:41:24,133 This will take the most work, 1020 00:41:24,177 --> 00:41:26,048 but we want it to be consistent. 1021 00:41:26,092 --> 00:41:27,528 - I like consistence. 1022 00:41:27,572 --> 00:41:29,791 I want all of me to look as good 1023 00:41:29,835 --> 00:41:30,966 as the rest of me. 1024 00:41:31,010 --> 00:41:32,272 When do I pay? 1025 00:41:32,315 --> 00:41:34,404 - There's a $2,500 deposit. 1026 00:41:34,448 --> 00:41:37,059 The front desk will explain everything. 1027 00:41:37,103 --> 00:41:39,540 - Hey, it's Pamela Hupp. 1028 00:41:39,584 --> 00:41:41,107 - Can you give me your name one more time? 1029 00:41:41,150 --> 00:41:44,197 - H-U-P-P. Yeah. 1030 00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:45,894 I set up a trust for the daughters 1031 00:41:45,938 --> 00:41:47,330 of Betsy Faria... 1032 00:41:47,374 --> 00:41:49,115 narrator: Pam wasn't one to leave a stone 1033 00:41:49,158 --> 00:41:50,943 left unturned. 1034 00:41:50,986 --> 00:41:53,032 [sinister music] 1035 00:41:53,075 --> 00:41:55,904 Or an itch left unscratched. 1036 00:41:55,948 --> 00:42:01,214 ♪ 1037 00:42:01,257 --> 00:42:03,738 - [gasps] 1038 00:42:03,782 --> 00:42:07,220 [screaming] 1039 00:42:07,263 --> 00:42:09,265 - I'd like to transfer the balance 1040 00:42:09,309 --> 00:42:10,832 to my personal checking. 1041 00:42:10,876 --> 00:42:12,921 - All of it? - Yeah, the whole thing. 1042 00:42:12,965 --> 00:42:15,141 - Okay, I'll have to put you on hold for a second. 1043 00:42:15,184 --> 00:42:17,317 - Sure, I can hold. 1044 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,406 narrator: Sure, she could hold. 1045 00:42:19,449 --> 00:42:21,060 - [sniffs] 1046 00:42:21,103 --> 00:42:22,975 narrator: For how long?