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narrator: Previously on
"The Thing About Pam."
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This time chemo wasn't bad.
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I feel kinda good.
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So what happened to Betsy?
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Some kind of accident
or something?
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She's not accidentally dead.
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She's not naturally dead.
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Some lady on Sumac
got stabbed,
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20, maybe 60 times.
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Textbook spousal homicide.
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He was kinda not nice
verbally to her.
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Real aggressive.
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Pam is a good person.
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And I just don't care
for his type.
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[sinister music]
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narrator: A grieving family
is a family in need,
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and Pam is all helping hands.
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♪
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Who would think
such a nice lady
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was there to help herself?
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God, such a hassle.
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All those people in your hair
on a day like this.
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You need a pick-me-up.
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Aunt Tammy,
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I've been trying
to call my dad all day
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and he's not answering.
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Bet they took his phone.
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Why--why would they
take his phone?
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I'm gonna go find him.
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Sweetie, sweetie.
Why don't you stay?
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No. He's--he's all alone.
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Two sugars, right?
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I'll just have
a little cream. Thanks.
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I wouldn't worry too much
about Russ.
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You know, they always
look at the husband first.
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Big surprise.
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You're not surprised
they got Russ?
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He could be scary.
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Oh, I know.
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One time he said,
"You women are such asses."
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And I was like, "Excuse me,
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"just trying to get directions
to the house.
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No need for that."
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One time he chased
my ex-boyfriend
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out the house
with a baseball bat.
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- No.
- Yeah.
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Lord knows
Russ isn't perfect,
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but don't go around saying
that the police have got him.
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We just don't need the whole
town talking like he--
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like he--
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narrator:
Oh, there will be talk.
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A whole lot of talk
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from some more than others.
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[sinister music]
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♪
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What does a lie
look like anyway?
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Is it a line on a graph?
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Did you kill Betsy Faria?
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No.
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Do you know
who killed Betsy Faria?
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No.
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Is today December 28th, 2011?
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Yes.
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I think we got what we need.
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[unsettling music]
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♪
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[machinery beeping]
[exhales deeply]
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♪
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- - I, uh--
- I--
- [chuckling]
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I need to see my dad,
Russ Faria.
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Um, he's gonna be back there
for a while.
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I wouldn't bother waiting.
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Hi,
I'm Russ Faria's daughter.
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I'm looking for my dad and--
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[indistinct chatter]
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[unsettling music]
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♪
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Got the results
of your polygraph back.
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Whoo.
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You failed.
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Epically. 100%.
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I did?
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You may as well confess,
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make everything easier
on yourself.
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I don't even know
why I'm here.
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[chuckles] Well, I guess
this is gonna take a while.
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♪
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All right, Russ.
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Let's go over this
one more time.
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narrator: Can a lie
be detected by a machine
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or squeezed out
under pressure?
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It's been 24 hours.
You have to let him go.
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And get us something we can use
to bring him back for good.
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narrator: Can a lie sneak into
our lives like a Trojan horse
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without us
even knowing it's there?
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Or is a lie more like a virus
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spread through the air
from one person to the next?
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So I was at Betsy's mom's
and Russ wasn't around.
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So they must still
be holding him.
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You know what that means.
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We're looking closely at him.
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You really think he did it.
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The DA told my mom
everything points to Russ.
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Mm-hmm.
How 'bout that 911 call?
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Crying like a baby.
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I mean,
I could act better than that
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and I'm only
second semester theater.
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[sighs]
Listen, Janet. I apologize.
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We don't have enough
to charge him yet,
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but the detectives are close.
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You get him, Ms. Askey.
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I'm not sure what you mean
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you don't have enough
to charge him.
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Uh...
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I need probable cause
for the judge.
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So like, a witness, evidence,
stuff like that?
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Yeah, stuff like that.
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Uh, listen, Janet,
you will be the first person
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to find out
when we make the arrest.
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And again, I am so sorry, okay?
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Bye now.
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Sorry, but she's wrong.
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Why would the police lie?
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He's out now though, right?
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Whoa. Whoa, whoa.
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- Oh, I am--
- I mean--
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I'm sorry, sweetheart.
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You can't see Russ anymore.
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That's not a good idea.
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I can't see my dad?
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And I'll never see
my mom again.
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So what, you're just gonna
make me like--like an orphan?
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Well, he's not your real dad.
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[soft emotional music]
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♪
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He's the only dad
I ever knew.
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Well, you got
your grandmother.
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♪
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She was tired.
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You just let her leave.
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She should have stayed with us.
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I know sweetie.
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- I--
- I didn't get my hug.
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♪
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narrator: Can a lie
be folded into a hug...
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[uneasy music]
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♪
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even from the ones you trust?
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[phone rings]
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- Hello?
- Hey.
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Um, a detective called
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and he wants to come by
and talk to me.
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- When?
- Couple days.
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Could you make it any sooner?
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Well, we have that
big mold inspection tomorrow.
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We'll reschedule it, Mark.
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Pretty sure the police
need our help.
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[dramatic music]
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narrator: Back in 2007,
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Betsy's light shined on Pam.
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They were friends,
good friends.
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Pam even asked Betsy
to DJ her daughter's wedding.
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Hey, Travis!
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Travis!
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Come "Hokey Pokey"
with your mom!
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Boo!
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["Hokey Pokey" playing]
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Can we get
the bride up in here?
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[cheers and applause]
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- Yay!
- Yeah, Sarah!
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Everybody, backside!
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narrator: Pam took pride in
making all the right moves.
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A purposeful choreography
through life.
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Look at that mama
of the bride!
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Who knew she could
get down like this?
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Well, Sarah didn't.
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She didn't want me
to pay you, Bets.
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She said we could
just use an iPod.
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Mom!
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Well, happy to give you
the friend rate.
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No, no, no. You get full pay.
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I was telling her,
Bets needs the work.
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Pam, why don't you just
go ahead and give me the mic.
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I'm so sorry, Betsy.
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For what?
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I'm paying
for this whole shebang.
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Hey, you know what?
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I'm so happy to be here.
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We're having a good time.
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This--this gig's on me.
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No. Really?
No charge?
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- No charge.
- [gasps]
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Congratulations, Sarah.
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Okay, everybody. Here we go.
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Put your whole self in.
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♪ Put your whole self in,
put your whole self out ♪
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narrator:
They say when someone
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shows you who they are,
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believe it.
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But would Lincoln County
detectives see Pam
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and believe her?
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You boys want a cookie?
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I'm baking up a storm
for the holidays.
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- I don't mind if I do.
- Oh.
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No need to take up
any of your time, Mrs. Hupp.
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We only need to talk
to your husband.
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Sure. No problem.
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Okay, so, Mr. Hupp,
on the night of the 27th,
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you were at home?
- Yes.
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Oh, you play ball?
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AAA down in Florida.
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Oh.
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- Till he threw out his arm.
- Mm.
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[crunching loudly]
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Um...
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hon, why don't you play that
voicemail Betsy left ya?
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[phone beeps]
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Happy Christmas, Mark.
Hope you're good.
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Thanks for loaning me Pam.
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So full of life.
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That was 7:00? Mm.
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Yep, 7:04.
- Mm, mm.
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So I take it
you knew Betsy then.
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Through Pam.
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Didn't know Russ though.
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Who did, honestly?
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I've been through how many
of their separations
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and I'm still on the tip
of the iceberg over here.
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And just some of the stuff
she'd say.
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Did you guys
ever find that letter
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that Betsy was writing?
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- No.
- Oh.
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Some of the officers
the other day
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seemed really interested.
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Kept asking me.
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Um, it was just some letter
or something
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that Bets was gonna email
to tell me about
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something Russ did to her.
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I don't know if she deleted it
or whatever.
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Why would she email it to you
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versus talking to you about it?
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Uh, I mean,
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Betsy emailed all the time.
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You know, she emailed people.
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She'd email about this and that
and just general stuff.
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You know, she loved email.
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Knowing Bets, uh, she probably
got charged to text,
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so that's why email.
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Save the money.
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- Got it.
- [chuckles]
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Do you know what was
in this email?
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Russ started
playing this game
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of putting a pillow
over her face.
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And he'd say this is
what it's gonna feel like
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when you die or whatever. Um,
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I didn't really know the guy,
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but just from what Bets said,
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he seemed sorta--
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- Abusive?
- Real abusive.
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Mm-hmm.
- Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And I was like,
well, email it to me.
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But I never got it.
268
00:12:50,552 --> 00:12:52,989
And would you be willing
to testify to all this?
269
00:12:53,033 --> 00:12:57,864
If you think it'd be helpful.
270
00:12:57,907 --> 00:12:59,387
[sighs]
271
00:12:59,430 --> 00:13:02,346
[unsettling music]
272
00:13:02,390 --> 00:13:04,044
♪
273
00:13:04,087 --> 00:13:05,045
[sniffs]
274
00:13:05,088 --> 00:13:07,656
♪
275
00:13:07,699 --> 00:13:11,138
Tina, call the judge!
276
00:13:11,181 --> 00:13:13,488
We have our probable cause.
277
00:13:16,273 --> 00:13:17,884
So you given
any more thought
278
00:13:17,927 --> 00:13:19,886
to your cousin's offer?
279
00:13:19,929 --> 00:13:21,844
Joel, that's the lawyer,
280
00:13:21,888 --> 00:13:24,412
he said that
you would be the one
281
00:13:24,455 --> 00:13:26,501
to have to contact him first.
282
00:13:26,544 --> 00:13:27,894
I don't know.
283
00:13:27,937 --> 00:13:29,765
Feels like
getting a lawyer means
284
00:13:29,809 --> 00:13:31,767
that I'm somebody
who needs a lawyer, you know?
285
00:13:31,811 --> 00:13:35,640
- I just--
- I just want to get past this.
286
00:13:35,684 --> 00:13:37,294
Mom, come on.
You can do that later.
287
00:13:37,338 --> 00:13:39,209
Otherwise, it'll stick.
288
00:13:39,253 --> 00:13:40,558
Are you gonna do these dishes?
289
00:13:40,602 --> 00:13:42,430
Sorry, what?
Didn't get that.
290
00:13:42,473 --> 00:13:43,866
[chuckles]
291
00:13:43,910 --> 00:13:45,259
[door slams open]
- Sheriff's Department!
292
00:13:45,302 --> 00:13:46,782
[screams]
293
00:13:47,652 --> 00:13:49,089
[breathing heavily]
294
00:13:49,132 --> 00:13:51,178
[door slams open]
295
00:13:51,221 --> 00:13:52,396
Russell Faria,
you're under arrest
296
00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,572
for the murder of Betsy Faria.
297
00:13:54,616 --> 00:13:56,444
- It's okay.
- No!
298
00:13:56,487 --> 00:13:59,055
Ah--
[handcuffs clicking]
299
00:13:59,099 --> 00:14:00,100
- Get up.
- [grunts]
300
00:14:00,143 --> 00:14:01,884
[silverware clattering]
301
00:14:01,928 --> 00:14:03,886
Russ, it's okay!
302
00:14:03,930 --> 00:14:06,846
[sinister music]
303
00:14:06,889 --> 00:14:09,544
♪
304
00:14:09,587 --> 00:14:14,114
[siren wailing]
305
00:14:14,157 --> 00:14:17,160
♪
306
00:14:17,204 --> 00:14:18,814
I want a lawyer.
307
00:14:18,858 --> 00:14:20,860
♪
308
00:14:24,298 --> 00:14:26,735
narrator:
He rolled in from the city,
309
00:14:26,778 --> 00:14:29,433
a busy man from
a high-rise firm in St. Louis.
310
00:14:29,477 --> 00:14:32,915
Russ' new lawyer,
Joel Schwartz
311
00:14:32,959 --> 00:14:35,526
was about to encounter--
312
00:14:35,570 --> 00:14:38,616
well, he had no idea.
313
00:14:38,660 --> 00:14:40,792
Green Gables?
314
00:14:40,836 --> 00:14:42,185
It's not even green.
315
00:14:42,229 --> 00:14:46,276
Wait, it's not?
I Yelped and--
316
00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:50,150
and this definitely looked
like the best hotel in town.
317
00:14:50,193 --> 00:14:54,632
Um, but there is a--
a Holiday Inn down the 47.
318
00:14:54,676 --> 00:14:57,766
Do you want me to check that?
- What color are their gables?
319
00:14:57,809 --> 00:15:00,073
I can check.
320
00:15:00,116 --> 00:15:01,813
- [chuckles]
- Oh, you're kidding.
321
00:15:01,857 --> 00:15:03,250
- Yeah, I'm kidding.
- Oh, right.
322
00:15:03,293 --> 00:15:04,512
It's our first day
working together.
323
00:15:04,555 --> 00:15:05,774
You get a pass.
324
00:15:05,817 --> 00:15:07,428
Hey, I just got
a probable cause statement
325
00:15:07,471 --> 00:15:10,126
from the Lincoln County
Sheriff's office.
326
00:15:10,170 --> 00:15:11,780
Looks like an eight-year-old
wrote it.
327
00:15:11,823 --> 00:15:14,130
There's gotta be a more
substantial report coming.
328
00:15:14,174 --> 00:15:16,828
Should we wait before
we sit down with Russell then?
329
00:15:16,872 --> 00:15:18,961
No. No.
We've got a guy with a temper,
330
00:15:19,005 --> 00:15:20,267
volatile relationship,
331
00:15:20,310 --> 00:15:22,312
marriage breaking up,
getting back together.
332
00:15:22,356 --> 00:15:25,576
And strangers don't stab
their victims 50 plus times.
333
00:15:25,620 --> 00:15:28,318
So, uh, I take it
you've represented
334
00:15:28,362 --> 00:15:31,321
a lot of guys
like Russ then before.
335
00:15:31,365 --> 00:15:32,627
Oh, yeah.
336
00:15:32,670 --> 00:15:35,586
Oh, yeah, it's kinda my jam.
- Yeah, mine too.
337
00:15:35,630 --> 00:15:37,588
Um, you know, I think so.
338
00:15:37,632 --> 00:15:41,549
Because this is
my first murder trial.
339
00:15:41,592 --> 00:15:44,421
In my experience,
the stats aren't wrong.
340
00:15:44,465 --> 00:15:46,075
We got the husband
of the victim here.
341
00:15:46,119 --> 00:15:48,077
- Right.
- Right?
342
00:15:48,121 --> 00:15:52,690
♪
343
00:15:52,734 --> 00:15:54,388
[sighs]
344
00:15:54,431 --> 00:15:57,608
♪
345
00:15:57,652 --> 00:15:59,001
Hey, Pam, you heard?
346
00:15:59,045 --> 00:16:01,351
Betsy Faria's husband
got arrested.
347
00:16:01,395 --> 00:16:02,657
No way.
348
00:16:02,700 --> 00:16:04,964
Mm-hmm. News just said so.
349
00:16:05,007 --> 00:16:06,182
He goes to my sister's church.
350
00:16:06,226 --> 00:16:08,358
Can you believe that?
351
00:16:08,402 --> 00:16:10,012
I guess you never know
what's going on
352
00:16:10,056 --> 00:16:11,535
inside other people's houses.
353
00:16:11,579 --> 00:16:14,408
♪
354
00:16:14,451 --> 00:16:15,626
[slurps]
355
00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:21,981
We're here to see Russ Faria.
356
00:16:22,024 --> 00:16:24,287
He's in holding.
You can wait over there.
357
00:16:25,941 --> 00:16:27,595
Hey, excuse me.
358
00:16:28,857 --> 00:16:30,163
You can't go in there.
359
00:16:30,206 --> 00:16:31,164
Why are you talking
to my client
360
00:16:31,207 --> 00:16:33,340
after he asked for a lawyer?
361
00:16:33,383 --> 00:16:34,689
Huh?
362
00:16:38,432 --> 00:16:41,130
That's him.
That's Joel Schwartz.
363
00:16:41,174 --> 00:16:43,002
I like his style.
364
00:16:43,045 --> 00:16:45,352
He looks like Tom Hanks
from "Splash."
365
00:16:45,395 --> 00:16:46,744
How much do you think
that haircut cost?
366
00:16:46,788 --> 00:16:49,573
He already put in
a request for evidence.
367
00:16:49,617 --> 00:16:51,401
He's good.
368
00:16:51,445 --> 00:16:55,231
We don't let guys like that
dick us around, Tina.
369
00:16:57,233 --> 00:16:59,322
Thanks for coming.
370
00:17:01,107 --> 00:17:03,674
Yeah, well, we're here
to help you, Russ.
371
00:17:03,718 --> 00:17:05,763
First off, is it true
that you talked to the police
372
00:17:05,807 --> 00:17:07,896
for 24 hours straight?
373
00:17:07,939 --> 00:17:10,725
Yeah.
374
00:17:10,768 --> 00:17:13,075
How much did you tell them?
375
00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,035
All of it.
376
00:17:16,078 --> 00:17:17,949
All of what?
377
00:17:17,993 --> 00:17:19,342
The truth.
378
00:17:25,348 --> 00:17:29,613
Am I really going to have
to go in front of a jury
379
00:17:29,657 --> 00:17:31,615
because you two
can't get a confession
380
00:17:31,659 --> 00:17:33,095
out of this maniac?
381
00:17:33,139 --> 00:17:34,444
The guy's a good liar.
382
00:17:34,488 --> 00:17:36,359
He's sticking to his Arby's
and game night.
383
00:17:36,403 --> 00:17:38,318
I wish to God
I hadn't gone to game night,
384
00:17:38,361 --> 00:17:40,146
but that's where I was,
385
00:17:40,189 --> 00:17:42,191
so how can everybody
think I did this?
386
00:17:42,235 --> 00:17:43,627
It doesn't matter
what everyone thinks.
387
00:17:43,671 --> 00:17:46,804
It matters what
the prosecution can prove.
388
00:17:46,848 --> 00:17:49,285
Wait.
389
00:17:49,329 --> 00:17:52,288
Do you think I killed Betsy?
390
00:17:52,332 --> 00:17:54,116
I don't know
what I think yet, Russ.
391
00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:55,335
Okay.
392
00:17:55,378 --> 00:17:59,121
But...don't you
have to believe me?
393
00:17:59,165 --> 00:18:01,515
Isn't that, like, part of this?
394
00:18:01,558 --> 00:18:05,432
I'm bumping on
the same thing you are.
395
00:18:05,475 --> 00:18:06,824
I'm not even sure
why we're sitting here
396
00:18:06,868 --> 00:18:08,783
if your alibi checks out.
397
00:18:08,826 --> 00:18:10,611
Talk to my friends then.
398
00:18:13,831 --> 00:18:15,920
That alibi's still
tough to get around.
399
00:18:15,964 --> 00:18:19,010
We could widen the net,
look at a few more suspects.
400
00:18:19,054 --> 00:18:20,447
You're the detective,
401
00:18:20,490 --> 00:18:21,926
but just because
a pocket square
402
00:18:21,970 --> 00:18:25,234
rolls in from the city
doesn't mean that we're wrong.
403
00:18:25,278 --> 00:18:26,496
So what do we have?
404
00:18:26,540 --> 00:18:27,758
There must've been a cleanup.
405
00:18:27,802 --> 00:18:30,021
There wasn't blood
on Russ' clothing?
406
00:18:30,065 --> 00:18:31,588
Not a drop.
407
00:18:32,633 --> 00:18:34,548
Do we have
the luminol photos back?
408
00:18:34,591 --> 00:18:39,248
Those would show
if there was blood cleaned up.
409
00:18:39,292 --> 00:18:40,815
Camera malfunctioned.
410
00:18:40,858 --> 00:18:42,121
Photos showed nothing.
411
00:18:42,164 --> 00:18:44,035
Totally blank.
412
00:18:44,079 --> 00:18:47,126
Should we take a look
just to be sure?
413
00:18:47,169 --> 00:18:48,518
If he says they're blank,
they're blank.
414
00:18:48,562 --> 00:18:49,389
What's the point?
415
00:18:49,432 --> 00:18:52,305
Get over here, McCarrick!
416
00:18:52,348 --> 00:18:54,524
This guy stabbed
his wife 57 times
417
00:18:54,568 --> 00:18:56,526
and he didn't do it stark naked
418
00:18:56,570 --> 00:18:58,485
spraying Lysol out of his ass,
419
00:18:58,528 --> 00:19:01,183
so he must've missed a spot.
420
00:19:01,227 --> 00:19:04,186
If you were at game night,
421
00:19:04,230 --> 00:19:06,188
then who took Betsy home?
422
00:19:06,232 --> 00:19:07,711
Her friend, Pam.
423
00:19:07,755 --> 00:19:08,973
Pam.
424
00:19:09,017 --> 00:19:11,541
Why don't you
tell me about Pam?
425
00:19:11,585 --> 00:19:13,152
She's--
426
00:19:13,195 --> 00:19:14,588
I don't know.
427
00:19:14,631 --> 00:19:16,590
Nice lady.
428
00:19:16,633 --> 00:19:18,809
"Nice lady."
429
00:19:18,853 --> 00:19:23,074
Okay, and what about
your stepdaughter, Lily?
430
00:19:23,118 --> 00:19:24,119
She got an ex-boyfriend?
431
00:19:24,163 --> 00:19:27,122
Oh, he's a huge tool,
432
00:19:27,166 --> 00:19:29,733
but I don't think
he could've done this.
433
00:19:29,777 --> 00:19:31,213
Well, we should
still check him out
434
00:19:31,257 --> 00:19:34,216
just to dot the Ts
and cross the--
435
00:19:37,132 --> 00:19:38,438
Okay, Russ.
436
00:19:38,481 --> 00:19:40,831
Well, that should be
enough for us to start.
437
00:19:40,875 --> 00:19:44,226
Whoa.
What happens now?
438
00:19:44,270 --> 00:19:46,228
Well, you'll be held
until trial.
439
00:19:46,272 --> 00:19:49,927
You mean in jail?
440
00:19:49,971 --> 00:19:52,930
[soft music]
441
00:19:52,974 --> 00:19:54,671
♪
442
00:19:54,715 --> 00:19:57,761
Nate and I are gonna
sort this out, okay?
443
00:19:57,805 --> 00:20:00,242
In the meantime, you do not
talk to the police without me,
444
00:20:00,286 --> 00:20:02,592
you understand?
445
00:20:02,636 --> 00:20:09,556
♪
446
00:20:12,385 --> 00:20:13,603
Why would he ask us
447
00:20:13,647 --> 00:20:15,475
to interview
five independent witnesses?
448
00:20:15,518 --> 00:20:17,955
That's just gonna
make him look bad.
449
00:20:17,999 --> 00:20:19,130
[sighs]
450
00:20:19,174 --> 00:20:20,480
I'm sorry.
451
00:20:20,523 --> 00:20:22,264
I'm still trying to pick up
on your social cues.
452
00:20:22,308 --> 00:20:23,613
What's the sign?
453
00:20:23,657 --> 00:20:25,093
I've represented
a lot of guilty people,
454
00:20:25,136 --> 00:20:27,443
but it's the innocent ones
that keep me up at night.
455
00:20:27,487 --> 00:20:29,793
Wait, you think
that he didn't do this?
456
00:20:29,837 --> 00:20:33,449
♪
457
00:20:33,493 --> 00:20:36,235
I guess
the pressure's on now.
458
00:20:36,278 --> 00:20:38,672
♪
459
00:20:38,715 --> 00:20:41,196
If the clothes he was wearing
don't have blood on them,
460
00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,243
then he must've changed,
washed up.
461
00:20:44,286 --> 00:20:45,635
Was there blood
in the bathroom?
462
00:20:45,679 --> 00:20:47,768
Did you take apart the shower?
463
00:20:47,811 --> 00:20:49,378
Morning, Leah.
464
00:20:49,422 --> 00:20:51,467
You guys are just sitting
around sucking on your thumbs
465
00:20:51,511 --> 00:20:53,513
and you have no confession,
which means you've just laid
466
00:20:53,556 --> 00:20:56,429
ten times
the amount of work at my feet.
467
00:20:56,472 --> 00:20:59,127
You were just elected DA,
what, a month ago?
468
00:20:59,170 --> 00:21:01,608
It shows.
469
00:21:01,651 --> 00:21:03,087
I thought you were excited
about the big case.
470
00:21:03,131 --> 00:21:04,828
Well, not if I'm gonna lose.
471
00:21:04,872 --> 00:21:06,830
I have to show people
why they elected me.
472
00:21:06,874 --> 00:21:10,181
Maybe someone could do
a test drive from Arby's.
473
00:21:10,225 --> 00:21:12,009
I saw the receipt.
It's timestamped.
474
00:21:12,053 --> 00:21:15,491
Thank you, Tina,
who is not a detective.
475
00:21:15,535 --> 00:21:17,928
How could we ever show
that it was possible
476
00:21:17,972 --> 00:21:21,323
for Russ to get home from
Arby's in time to kill Betsy?
477
00:21:21,367 --> 00:21:23,064
He must've gone
over the speed limit.
478
00:21:23,107 --> 00:21:24,370
I'll take care of it.
479
00:21:24,413 --> 00:21:27,416
Now, you two, please
take apart the house
480
00:21:27,460 --> 00:21:29,462
and find me the blood.
481
00:21:29,505 --> 00:21:32,203
[upbeat rock music]
482
00:21:32,247 --> 00:21:33,509
11:41 a.m.
483
00:21:33,553 --> 00:21:35,511
Detective Brian McCarrick here.
484
00:21:35,555 --> 00:21:37,905
Leaving Arby's
en route to 130 Sumac Drive.
485
00:21:37,948 --> 00:21:39,733
[tires squealing]
486
00:21:39,776 --> 00:21:46,696
♪
487
00:21:59,100 --> 00:22:02,538
[tires squealing]
488
00:22:05,106 --> 00:22:06,281
Boom!
489
00:22:06,325 --> 00:22:07,543
Plenty of time to kill you.
490
00:22:07,587 --> 00:22:09,197
[chuckles]
Yah!
491
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,242
♪
492
00:22:11,286 --> 00:22:13,549
What the friggin' hell?
493
00:22:14,420 --> 00:22:17,205
[sniffs]
Ugh!
494
00:22:17,248 --> 00:22:20,164
The entire floor
stinks like that?
495
00:22:20,208 --> 00:22:23,646
- Mold. It's bad.
- Ugh.
496
00:22:23,690 --> 00:22:26,997
We might have to dip into
the Florida money.
497
00:22:27,041 --> 00:22:28,608
It's gone.
498
00:22:30,784 --> 00:22:32,046
All of it?
499
00:22:32,089 --> 00:22:33,874
How'd you think
I paid for that flip house
500
00:22:33,917 --> 00:22:35,136
when we're behind the mortgage
here?
501
00:22:35,179 --> 00:22:36,398
- - Well, I--
- I don't know.
502
00:22:36,442 --> 00:22:38,879
Maybe your disability money.
503
00:22:38,922 --> 00:22:42,361
I told you about that
stupid letter I got, Mark.
504
00:22:42,404 --> 00:22:44,450
They said I don't
qualify anymore.
505
00:22:45,625 --> 00:22:48,976
But your bad leg.
506
00:22:49,019 --> 00:22:51,239
Tell it to the man.
507
00:22:51,282 --> 00:22:52,632
[unsettling music]
508
00:22:52,675 --> 00:22:56,940
[garbage disposal rumbling]
509
00:22:56,984 --> 00:22:59,900
I'll get us the money.
510
00:22:59,943 --> 00:23:06,863
♪
511
00:23:10,911 --> 00:23:12,303
Hey.
512
00:23:12,347 --> 00:23:14,436
I just got back from seeing
all those gamer guys.
513
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,351
Super sweet group of dudes.
514
00:23:16,395 --> 00:23:19,310
I've got five people
515
00:23:19,354 --> 00:23:21,835
who said that
Russ left at 9:00.
516
00:23:21,878 --> 00:23:23,619
Well, you can't be
at game night and the Arby's
517
00:23:23,663 --> 00:23:26,796
at the same time
you're killing your wife.
518
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,755
So I was looking
at these autopsy--
519
00:23:28,798 --> 00:23:30,147
do you mind if I show this to
you while you're eating lunch?
520
00:23:30,191 --> 00:23:31,192
- No.
- Okay.
521
00:23:31,235 --> 00:23:33,934
It looks like there is a bruise
522
00:23:33,977 --> 00:23:36,153
on Betsy's neck here.
- Mm.
523
00:23:36,197 --> 00:23:37,546
And then it looks like
the knife
524
00:23:37,590 --> 00:23:40,027
was stuck into that same spot
525
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:42,072
after she was dead.
526
00:23:42,116 --> 00:23:44,858
Maybe the bruise means
she was strangled first?
527
00:23:44,901 --> 00:23:47,904
And then put the knife there
to cover up the fingerprints.
528
00:23:47,948 --> 00:23:50,516
Yeah, it's weird.
529
00:23:50,559 --> 00:23:52,996
She has so many stab wounds
on her back, Joel,
530
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,477
but there's no blood
on the carpet.
531
00:23:55,521 --> 00:23:56,739
And they're all the same size,
532
00:23:56,783 --> 00:23:59,394
same depth,
all made post-mortem.
533
00:23:59,438 --> 00:24:00,961
Methodical, not passionate,
534
00:24:01,004 --> 00:24:02,528
but trying to make it
look like that.
535
00:24:02,571 --> 00:24:05,052
Is that the number one
criminal defense attorney
536
00:24:05,095 --> 00:24:06,488
in all of St. Louis?
537
00:24:06,532 --> 00:24:08,098
[chuckles]
Number two, actually.
538
00:24:08,142 --> 00:24:10,013
- That's right. Number two.
- Yeah.
539
00:24:10,057 --> 00:24:11,406
And you must be,
540
00:24:11,450 --> 00:24:13,190
let me guess,
our district attorney.
541
00:24:13,234 --> 00:24:14,409
You can call me Leah.
542
00:24:14,453 --> 00:24:15,845
- Leah. Oh, Leah--
- Yes.
543
00:24:15,889 --> 00:24:18,369
We still haven't received
our luminol photos
544
00:24:18,413 --> 00:24:20,067
from the crime scene.
545
00:24:20,110 --> 00:24:22,809
Photos didn't come out.
There was a camera malfunction.
546
00:24:22,852 --> 00:24:25,028
- Oh, well, that's too bad.
- Yeah.
547
00:24:25,072 --> 00:24:26,334
We're still gonna need
to see those.
548
00:24:26,377 --> 00:24:28,945
And the polygraph
results too.
549
00:24:28,989 --> 00:24:31,208
Photos and polygraph
coming right up.
550
00:24:31,252 --> 00:24:32,819
Okay.
551
00:24:32,862 --> 00:24:35,822
Hey, Danny, this one's on me.
552
00:24:35,865 --> 00:24:38,389
They're guests in our town.
553
00:24:38,433 --> 00:24:39,521
Night, boys.
554
00:24:39,565 --> 00:24:41,958
- Thank you.
- Thank you.
555
00:24:43,307 --> 00:24:44,700
Uh...
- Oh, boy.
556
00:24:44,744 --> 00:24:47,224
Okay, okay. What's next?
557
00:24:47,268 --> 00:24:48,878
- Let's go to motive to kill.
- All right.
558
00:24:48,922 --> 00:24:52,055
So based on
the detectives' interviews,
559
00:24:52,099 --> 00:24:53,535
it seems like
they're gonna go with the fact
560
00:24:53,579 --> 00:24:55,624
that Russ was this rage monster
who snapped--
561
00:24:55,668 --> 00:24:57,844
Askey will go with
that, sure, but if she's smart,
562
00:24:57,887 --> 00:24:59,541
she'll pile on
a bunch of other reasons.
563
00:24:59,585 --> 00:25:01,021
Or it could be insurance.
564
00:25:01,064 --> 00:25:02,457
Do you want me to check to see
if Betsy had a policy?
565
00:25:02,501 --> 00:25:04,198
She was terminally ill.
566
00:25:04,241 --> 00:25:05,547
I mean, if he was gonna
kill her for the money,
567
00:25:05,591 --> 00:25:08,898
why wouldn't he just wait
a couple of months?
568
00:25:08,942 --> 00:25:15,122
What about SODDIs?
"Some other dude did it."
569
00:25:15,165 --> 00:25:16,427
- Oh.
- Yeah.
570
00:25:16,471 --> 00:25:17,907
[chuckles]
571
00:25:17,951 --> 00:25:19,996
I just went through 500 pages
572
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,434
of the daughter's boyfriend's
text messages.
573
00:25:23,478 --> 00:25:25,045
- And?
- I wouldn't date the guy,
574
00:25:25,088 --> 00:25:27,569
but he didn't kill Betsy.
575
00:25:27,613 --> 00:25:30,224
What about that Pam lady?
576
00:25:30,267 --> 00:25:32,748
I mean, she was the last one
to see Betsy alive.
577
00:25:32,792 --> 00:25:34,271
We definitely need
to see her cell records.
578
00:25:34,315 --> 00:25:35,751
I have tried.
579
00:25:35,795 --> 00:25:38,275
But the DA doesn't seem
to think that we need them.
580
00:25:38,319 --> 00:25:40,147
Yeah, well, that's because
Pam doesn't fit into
581
00:25:40,190 --> 00:25:41,975
what Askey wants to see.
582
00:25:42,018 --> 00:25:43,454
- That's a good point.
- Right?
583
00:25:43,498 --> 00:25:46,414
[dramatic music]
584
00:25:46,457 --> 00:25:48,024
♪
585
00:25:48,068 --> 00:25:49,591
[sighs]
586
00:25:49,635 --> 00:25:51,158
♪
587
00:25:51,201 --> 00:25:52,768
I have to go home
and tuck in the kids
588
00:25:52,812 --> 00:25:55,597
or Chris will get his panties
in a twist.
589
00:25:55,641 --> 00:25:57,381
Yeah, we wouldn't want that,
would we?
590
00:25:57,425 --> 00:26:00,602
Mm-mm.
591
00:26:00,646 --> 00:26:02,604
Well, let's see.
592
00:26:02,648 --> 00:26:05,738
There's the bloody smear
on the light switch.
593
00:26:05,781 --> 00:26:07,827
- Test that against Russ.
- Okay.
594
00:26:07,870 --> 00:26:11,787
And then there's
the bloody slippers.
595
00:26:11,831 --> 00:26:13,876
That is a wrinkle.
596
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,183
Why would he put his slippers
back in the closet
597
00:26:16,226 --> 00:26:17,880
after he killed her?
598
00:26:17,924 --> 00:26:19,621
And weird that there's blood
on the slippers,
599
00:26:19,665 --> 00:26:22,015
but not on his clothes.
600
00:26:24,452 --> 00:26:27,760
Maybe he did kill her naked.
601
00:26:28,935 --> 00:26:31,590
So test that against Russ.
Anyone else?
602
00:26:31,633 --> 00:26:34,941
Why?
603
00:26:34,984 --> 00:26:37,204
It's my first
major murder case.
604
00:26:37,247 --> 00:26:39,510
I--
[inhales deeply]
605
00:26:39,554 --> 00:26:42,557
it's a lot.
606
00:26:50,391 --> 00:26:52,219
All right.
- [clears throat]
607
00:26:52,262 --> 00:26:55,396
Well, if you're leaving,
608
00:26:55,439 --> 00:26:58,094
you should probably
take a look at that first.
609
00:26:58,138 --> 00:27:01,054
[dramatic music]
610
00:27:01,097 --> 00:27:05,493
♪
611
00:27:05,536 --> 00:27:08,365
narrator: Pam was always
working on something
612
00:27:08,409 --> 00:27:11,412
as she worked her way
to the top.
613
00:27:11,455 --> 00:27:15,634
[phone ringing]
614
00:27:17,157 --> 00:27:19,028
Hello?
615
00:27:19,072 --> 00:27:20,987
Yeah, that's me.
616
00:27:23,206 --> 00:27:26,688
Yeah, I could do that.
617
00:27:26,732 --> 00:27:29,125
See you then.
618
00:27:29,169 --> 00:27:31,084
Mm-hmm.
619
00:27:33,956 --> 00:27:36,872
The DA wants to talk to me.
620
00:27:36,916 --> 00:27:38,526
Again?
621
00:27:38,569 --> 00:27:40,920
No, Travis, try and keep up.
622
00:27:40,963 --> 00:27:43,966
That was the cops
I talked to last time.
623
00:27:44,010 --> 00:27:45,576
[grunts]
624
00:27:45,620 --> 00:27:47,361
This is the DA.
625
00:27:47,404 --> 00:27:50,451
narrator: Just now,
she had a story to tell
626
00:27:50,494 --> 00:27:54,673
and just the right person
to tell it to.
627
00:27:57,719 --> 00:28:00,591
[indistinct chatter]
628
00:28:04,900 --> 00:28:06,772
Joel.
629
00:28:06,815 --> 00:28:08,121
I like your pocket square.
630
00:28:08,164 --> 00:28:09,731
There's not many men
that can pull off
631
00:28:09,775 --> 00:28:12,299
a pink pocket square.
632
00:28:12,342 --> 00:28:14,649
We're here
for Pam Hupp's cell data.
633
00:28:14,693 --> 00:28:16,172
Yeah.
634
00:28:16,216 --> 00:28:18,871
You can go ahead
and analyze the phone anytime.
635
00:28:18,914 --> 00:28:20,873
No, not the phone itself.
636
00:28:20,916 --> 00:28:23,353
The raw data is converted
into a readable map
637
00:28:23,397 --> 00:28:25,965
for both sides.
- Okay.
638
00:28:26,008 --> 00:28:27,053
Go for it.
639
00:28:27,096 --> 00:28:28,315
The state's analysis center
640
00:28:28,358 --> 00:28:29,316
is the one that makes the map.
641
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:30,578
And you and I both know
642
00:28:30,621 --> 00:28:32,754
that we don't have access
to those services.
643
00:28:32,798 --> 00:28:35,191
Only you can make that request
to the Sheriff's office.
644
00:28:35,235 --> 00:28:36,410
So how do you suggest
645
00:28:36,453 --> 00:28:39,761
we convert raw cell data
on our own?
646
00:28:39,805 --> 00:28:41,110
I don't know, Joel.
647
00:28:41,154 --> 00:28:43,896
Google it?
648
00:28:43,939 --> 00:28:45,071
- Nah.
- No.
649
00:28:45,114 --> 00:28:46,986
No, you'll send me
the cell map
650
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:49,205
and the luminol photos.
- Which I have been requesting.
651
00:28:49,249 --> 00:28:51,207
And the physical evidence and
everything else that you have
652
00:28:51,251 --> 00:28:52,905
because that is how this works.
653
00:28:52,948 --> 00:28:54,776
Right, you old pro.
654
00:28:54,820 --> 00:28:57,126
I'm gonna have Tina
put together a disc for you.
655
00:28:57,170 --> 00:28:58,954
A really nice disc.
656
00:28:58,998 --> 00:29:00,173
Look forward to that.
657
00:29:00,216 --> 00:29:02,088
That was easy.
658
00:29:02,131 --> 00:29:03,698
Thanks for coming
all the way down!
659
00:29:05,091 --> 00:29:07,093
What a baby.
660
00:29:07,136 --> 00:29:10,052
[soft emotional music]
661
00:29:10,096 --> 00:29:17,233
♪
662
00:29:22,935 --> 00:29:24,632
Mom would have hated this.
663
00:29:24,675 --> 00:29:26,765
They really tore
the place apart.
664
00:29:26,808 --> 00:29:30,159
♪
665
00:29:30,203 --> 00:29:33,206
- - Um, I'm--
- I'm just gonna get my new kitten
666
00:29:33,249 --> 00:29:37,993
and then we can
just get out of here.
667
00:29:38,037 --> 00:29:45,174
♪
668
00:30:03,497 --> 00:30:05,673
How can you even look at him?
669
00:30:05,716 --> 00:30:07,153
Just because
you don't like him--
670
00:30:07,196 --> 00:30:08,502
He called me the C-word.
671
00:30:08,545 --> 00:30:10,069
'Cause you stole money
from Grandma.
672
00:30:10,112 --> 00:30:11,853
Shut up.
673
00:30:11,897 --> 00:30:15,683
- Whatever. Let's just go.
- Come on.
674
00:30:17,598 --> 00:30:19,905
Mom always left those on.
675
00:30:19,948 --> 00:30:26,868
♪
676
00:30:34,136 --> 00:30:36,704
Wait.
677
00:30:36,747 --> 00:30:38,358
It looks like Pam
took two showers.
678
00:30:38,401 --> 00:30:40,534
One the night Betsy died,
679
00:30:40,577 --> 00:30:41,883
and one the next morning.
680
00:30:41,927 --> 00:30:43,319
What the hell?
681
00:30:43,363 --> 00:30:45,713
This latest cell phone info
from the prosecution,
682
00:30:45,756 --> 00:30:47,106
it's useless.
683
00:30:47,149 --> 00:30:49,412
This is thousands of pages,
684
00:30:49,456 --> 00:30:51,719
thousands of pages of garbage.
685
00:30:53,634 --> 00:30:55,636
Nothing in this case is easy.
686
00:30:58,944 --> 00:31:01,511
narrator: Here they were,
together at last.
687
00:31:01,555 --> 00:31:03,513
[slurping]
narrator: Pam and Leah Askey,
688
00:31:03,557 --> 00:31:05,733
just two public servants
689
00:31:05,776 --> 00:31:08,431
working for the common good.
690
00:31:08,475 --> 00:31:10,564
- Hi.
- Hi.
691
00:31:10,607 --> 00:31:13,523
Sorry I am
such a sweaty Betty.
692
00:31:13,567 --> 00:31:15,525
I came straight from Zumba.
693
00:31:15,569 --> 00:31:17,484
You do Zumba?
I do Zumba.
694
00:31:17,527 --> 00:31:20,052
- Tuesday, Thursday.
- I'm Wednesday, Friday.
695
00:31:20,095 --> 00:31:21,618
[chuckles]
696
00:31:21,662 --> 00:31:23,969
It is so nice
to officially meet you.
697
00:31:24,012 --> 00:31:26,362
- Mm-hmm.
- Have a seat.
698
00:31:26,406 --> 00:31:31,759
You have been through so much.
699
00:31:33,369 --> 00:31:36,851
Joel, look at this.
700
00:31:36,895 --> 00:31:39,941
That's to do
with the life insurance.
701
00:31:39,985 --> 00:31:41,203
Oh, Russ,
702
00:31:41,247 --> 00:31:44,424
he was just getting
really creepy, you know?
703
00:31:44,467 --> 00:31:48,036
And--and he was making
her really nervous...
704
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,081
Mm-hmm.
705
00:31:49,124 --> 00:31:50,560
- With the pillow.
- Mm-hmm.
706
00:31:50,604 --> 00:31:51,910
And, you know,
she'd turn around
707
00:31:51,953 --> 00:31:54,347
and he'd just be,
like, staring at her.
708
00:31:54,390 --> 00:31:55,652
Stuff like that.
709
00:31:55,696 --> 00:31:57,437
And four days
before he killed her...
710
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,571
Betsy changed the beneficiary
from Russ to Pam.
711
00:32:03,486 --> 00:32:05,793
We got Pam's motive to kill.
712
00:32:05,836 --> 00:32:07,012
SODDI.
713
00:32:10,580 --> 00:32:12,974
This change of beneficiary
thing is really
714
00:32:13,018 --> 00:32:15,759
gonna help our case.
- Oh, my God.
715
00:32:15,803 --> 00:32:17,674
You think Russ found out
about it
716
00:32:17,718 --> 00:32:19,415
and that's what made him snap.
717
00:32:19,459 --> 00:32:20,634
Yep.
718
00:32:20,677 --> 00:32:21,852
Betsy took him off the policy
719
00:32:21,896 --> 00:32:23,767
and he killed her
in a fit of rage.
720
00:32:23,811 --> 00:32:26,727
- Well, that makes total sense.
- Unfortunately,
721
00:32:26,770 --> 00:32:29,469
Betsy's like a lot of
abused women I've seen,
722
00:32:29,512 --> 00:32:31,775
just trapped in a bad marriage,
723
00:32:31,819 --> 00:32:33,777
trying to make it okay
for the kids.
724
00:32:33,821 --> 00:32:35,692
Right. That was the idea.
725
00:32:35,736 --> 00:32:36,998
And everyone knows that
726
00:32:37,042 --> 00:32:39,000
Russ is kinda rough
around the edges.
727
00:32:39,044 --> 00:32:41,524
Well, I'm gonna make him pay
for what he's done.
728
00:32:41,568 --> 00:32:45,311
But I need someone
who really knows
729
00:32:45,354 --> 00:32:48,662
Betsy and Russ' relationship.
730
00:32:48,705 --> 00:32:51,143
To testify, you mean.
731
00:32:51,186 --> 00:32:53,319
Yeah.
732
00:32:53,362 --> 00:32:56,670
Well, I know everything
about it
733
00:32:56,713 --> 00:32:59,194
'cause Betsy told me.
734
00:32:59,238 --> 00:33:01,196
That's great.
735
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,286
Thank you
for agreeing to testify.
736
00:33:04,330 --> 00:33:07,246
narrator: Sometimes,
it's best to let the fish
737
00:33:07,289 --> 00:33:10,510
think it's catching you.
738
00:33:10,553 --> 00:33:11,990
I was just trying
to help her out.
739
00:33:12,033 --> 00:33:14,514
So when Bets says she wanted
to put my name on policy,
740
00:33:14,557 --> 00:33:17,125
I said,
"Whatever you think is best."
741
00:33:17,169 --> 00:33:21,782
She was like, "Well,
anything's better than Russ."
742
00:33:21,825 --> 00:33:24,045
narrator: Sometimes you cast
so many lines
743
00:33:24,089 --> 00:33:26,178
into that little pond,
744
00:33:26,221 --> 00:33:28,136
it makes a web.
745
00:33:28,180 --> 00:33:30,269
[sighs]
746
00:33:30,312 --> 00:33:32,401
He's not good with money.
747
00:33:32,445 --> 00:33:36,362
Mm. Mm.
748
00:33:36,405 --> 00:33:37,667
I guess Betsy was just like
749
00:33:37,711 --> 00:33:40,279
a lot of women out there,
you know?
750
00:33:40,322 --> 00:33:43,325
Just a bad marriage,
751
00:33:43,369 --> 00:33:45,893
trying to take care
of the kids.
752
00:33:45,936 --> 00:33:48,678
Mm.
753
00:33:48,722 --> 00:33:50,680
Now that's all on me.
754
00:33:50,724 --> 00:33:53,335
Well, I can sort that out
for you.
755
00:33:53,379 --> 00:33:54,554
Oh, no.
756
00:33:54,597 --> 00:33:56,860
- Or--or Tammy can.
- No, I got it.
757
00:33:56,904 --> 00:33:58,601
I can take care of those girls.
758
00:33:58,645 --> 00:34:01,691
Set up a trust for 'em
and everything.
759
00:34:01,735 --> 00:34:04,477
I have been
760
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:09,395
thanking God for you
every night, Pam.
761
00:34:09,438 --> 00:34:12,093
Don't thank Him for me yet.
762
00:34:12,137 --> 00:34:17,968
I still gotta testify
against Russ.
763
00:34:18,012 --> 00:34:19,492
Well,
764
00:34:19,535 --> 00:34:24,062
Janet was practically
begging me to handle the money.
765
00:34:24,105 --> 00:34:27,935
You know what I had
to do to get it.
766
00:34:27,978 --> 00:34:29,763
Hell and back.
767
00:34:29,806 --> 00:34:32,287
State Acres has this
new phone tree thing.
768
00:34:32,331 --> 00:34:33,941
When you call,
it takes forever.
769
00:34:33,984 --> 00:34:36,987
Finally got an old contact
of mine from HQ, Dusty.
770
00:34:37,031 --> 00:34:39,729
Seems like Dusty's got
bumped up through the ranks.
771
00:34:39,773 --> 00:34:41,601
Totally remembered me too.
772
00:34:41,644 --> 00:34:44,473
"Oh, Pam, how you doing?
How's Mark?"
773
00:34:44,517 --> 00:34:45,953
- That's good.
- Yeah, so, you know.
774
00:34:45,996 --> 00:34:48,651
I said, "Good. Betsy's dead.
Can I get that money?"
775
00:34:48,695 --> 00:34:52,655
And he pulled the trigger
for me right then.
776
00:34:52,699 --> 00:34:54,440
So you're good?
777
00:34:54,483 --> 00:34:56,616
Yeah.
778
00:34:58,487 --> 00:35:00,185
Don't stress about the house.
779
00:35:00,228 --> 00:35:04,537
Get a whole team out there
to kill that mold.
780
00:35:04,580 --> 00:35:07,105
I'll bet you'll get
that facelift
781
00:35:07,148 --> 00:35:09,368
you've been wanting.
782
00:35:09,411 --> 00:35:13,459
Mom, I don't know
what you're even talking about.
783
00:35:13,502 --> 00:35:15,461
Well, your face does.
784
00:35:15,504 --> 00:35:18,333
[unsettling music]
785
00:35:18,377 --> 00:35:19,334
♪
786
00:35:19,378 --> 00:35:22,250
[chuckles]
787
00:35:22,294 --> 00:35:24,252
Oops.
788
00:35:24,296 --> 00:35:29,649
[laughs]
789
00:35:32,782 --> 00:35:38,440
[soft guitar strumming]
790
00:35:38,484 --> 00:35:42,575
So, um, I was able to run
Pam's record one more time.
791
00:35:42,618 --> 00:35:43,576
Came back clean.
792
00:35:43,619 --> 00:35:45,621
♪ We got a spotless queen
793
00:35:45,665 --> 00:35:46,970
It does sound like
she likes to bring on
794
00:35:47,014 --> 00:35:48,624
a lot of lawsuits.
795
00:35:48,668 --> 00:35:50,583
Her neighbors said
Pam talked about suing
796
00:35:50,626 --> 00:35:52,454
the hospital
where her son was born
797
00:35:52,498 --> 00:35:54,891
for giving him cerebral palsy.
798
00:35:54,935 --> 00:35:56,371
Guess that didn't work out.
799
00:35:56,415 --> 00:35:58,330
♪ Hoped to sue for palsy
800
00:35:58,373 --> 00:36:00,158
Then she claimed that
a filing cabinet
801
00:36:00,201 --> 00:36:02,160
fell on her head at work.
802
00:36:02,203 --> 00:36:03,683
♪ Well,
that's pretty ballsy ♪
803
00:36:03,726 --> 00:36:05,163
[chuckles]
804
00:36:05,206 --> 00:36:07,817
♪ Hupp, Hupp, Hupp it up
805
00:36:07,861 --> 00:36:09,950
♪ Hupp, Hupp
- Hey, will you check this out?
806
00:36:09,993 --> 00:36:12,170
[whistling]
807
00:36:12,213 --> 00:36:14,781
[unsettling music]
808
00:36:14,824 --> 00:36:16,783
Is that Leah Askey?
809
00:36:16,826 --> 00:36:18,176
That is Chris Mennemeyer,
810
00:36:18,219 --> 00:36:20,308
who, by the way,
gave out homemade cookies
811
00:36:20,352 --> 00:36:21,962
when she ran
for the judge's seat.
812
00:36:22,005 --> 00:36:25,139
So the judge and Leah Askey
went to high school together?
813
00:36:25,183 --> 00:36:26,836
Should we be worried?
814
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,186
So we had this--
815
00:36:28,229 --> 00:36:29,535
narrator:
There are a lot of things
816
00:36:29,578 --> 00:36:32,059
you could say about Pam Hupp.
817
00:36:32,102 --> 00:36:33,539
A--a ten-year plan.
818
00:36:33,582 --> 00:36:36,324
narrator: One is that
she is cooperative.
819
00:36:36,368 --> 00:36:37,978
Well, the ten-year
turned to 12,
820
00:36:38,021 --> 00:36:40,502
'cause 2008, the bottom
falls out, hits really hard,
821
00:36:40,546 --> 00:36:43,288
so we flip houses on the side
and got plenty of money.
822
00:36:43,331 --> 00:36:44,941
- Okay. It's--
- And a couple of months ago
823
00:36:44,985 --> 00:36:48,206
um, I had to put my mom
in a home and it's pricey.
824
00:36:48,249 --> 00:36:49,598
You know, my mom's got Alzheimer
825
00:36:49,642 --> 00:36:51,339
and dementia and all of that.
- Sure.
826
00:36:51,383 --> 00:36:53,472
That's why
the insurance money
827
00:36:53,515 --> 00:36:55,343
is just sitting there.
I'm too busy.
828
00:36:55,387 --> 00:36:56,866
Of course, I want to set up
that trust though.
829
00:36:56,910 --> 00:36:58,607
Right, right, right, right.
So thanks for coming in
830
00:36:58,651 --> 00:37:00,218
to talk about
the insurance payout.
831
00:37:00,261 --> 00:37:02,220
- Mm-hmm.
- Okay, the 150,000,
832
00:37:02,263 --> 00:37:04,787
that's in a separate account
than your own.
833
00:37:04,831 --> 00:37:11,098
Uh, it's just sitting
in my checking account.
834
00:37:11,925 --> 00:37:14,014
Okay.
835
00:37:14,057 --> 00:37:16,146
We can go to the computer
and pull it up right now.
836
00:37:16,190 --> 00:37:18,279
No, no, no, no. I--
837
00:37:18,323 --> 00:37:20,150
No, no, I'm just saying,
838
00:37:20,194 --> 00:37:24,285
to me, in my world,
150K is not that much.
839
00:37:24,329 --> 00:37:26,809
And if I really,
I mean, I hate to say it,
840
00:37:26,853 --> 00:37:28,420
but if I wanted the money,
841
00:37:28,463 --> 00:37:32,554
my mom is worth half a million
that I get when she dies.
842
00:37:32,598 --> 00:37:35,296
So--and I know that
that sounds--
843
00:37:35,340 --> 00:37:36,602
that sounds morbid
and stuff like that--
844
00:37:36,645 --> 00:37:38,517
So--but you intend
to set up--
845
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,083
I'm her life insurance person.
846
00:37:40,127 --> 00:37:41,128
I know. I know.
847
00:37:41,171 --> 00:37:42,434
But you do intend on
848
00:37:42,477 --> 00:37:44,218
setting up the trust
for Betsy's girls.
849
00:37:44,262 --> 00:37:46,264
Absolutely. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
850
00:37:46,307 --> 00:37:48,091
Just as soon
as we flip this house.
851
00:37:48,135 --> 00:37:49,571
'Cause, you know,
money's tied up
852
00:37:49,615 --> 00:37:52,270
and I still have physical
problems I see doctors for.
853
00:37:52,313 --> 00:37:53,401
It would be good
for you, Pam,
854
00:37:53,445 --> 00:37:55,273
and it'll help
our case against Russ
855
00:37:55,316 --> 00:37:57,449
if that money's no longer
in your possession.
856
00:37:57,492 --> 00:37:59,407
How does it help me exactly?
857
00:37:59,451 --> 00:38:01,061
Well, you know, Schwartz,
858
00:38:01,104 --> 00:38:02,715
he might say you had
something to do with the murder
859
00:38:02,758 --> 00:38:05,979
'cause of a--because
of a financial windfall.
860
00:38:06,022 --> 00:38:07,807
[scoffs]
861
00:38:07,850 --> 00:38:09,330
[sighs]
862
00:38:09,374 --> 00:38:11,332
Here I am trying to help
Betsy's family
863
00:38:11,376 --> 00:38:13,682
on top of my own, and--
864
00:38:13,726 --> 00:38:15,945
What are the possibilities?
I'm sorry for interrupting,
865
00:38:15,989 --> 00:38:18,339
but what are the possibilities
you get this trust set up
866
00:38:18,383 --> 00:38:22,604
for the girls before the trial?
867
00:38:22,648 --> 00:38:24,476
A hundred.
868
00:38:24,519 --> 00:38:28,306
100% it will be set up.
869
00:38:28,349 --> 00:38:31,787
And you'll call me
when you do it?
870
00:38:31,831 --> 00:38:33,354
Yeah, I will.
871
00:38:33,398 --> 00:38:37,227
narrator: That's Pam, working
toward a common goal...
872
00:38:37,271 --> 00:38:38,620
I will.
873
00:38:38,664 --> 00:38:41,580
narrator: Even if
it'll come back to haunt
874
00:38:41,623 --> 00:38:43,973
the Lincoln County
Sheriff's office.
875
00:38:44,017 --> 00:38:46,846
♪
876
00:38:48,500 --> 00:38:50,763
Did Arby's today.
877
00:38:50,806 --> 00:38:52,417
Turns out the timestamp
on the receipt
878
00:38:52,460 --> 00:38:55,333
is when the order was placed,
not received.
879
00:38:55,376 --> 00:38:56,638
Well, there you go.
880
00:38:56,682 --> 00:38:58,727
That adds at least
five minutes to Russ' drive.
881
00:38:58,771 --> 00:38:59,989
There's no way
he could've gotten home
882
00:39:00,033 --> 00:39:01,469
in time to kill Betsy.
883
00:39:01,513 --> 00:39:03,341
Yeah, and I still don't see
any luminol photos
884
00:39:03,384 --> 00:39:06,518
in this latest bundle
from Askey.
885
00:39:06,561 --> 00:39:08,520
So they found Russ'
bloody slippers in the closet,
886
00:39:08,563 --> 00:39:09,956
but no luminol photos to show
887
00:39:09,999 --> 00:39:11,610
that any bloody footprints
were cleaned up.
888
00:39:11,653 --> 00:39:13,525
Nope.
889
00:39:13,568 --> 00:39:16,484
I've been thinking a lot
about these murder slippers.
890
00:39:16,528 --> 00:39:20,270
How they look like
they were dipped in blood.
891
00:39:20,314 --> 00:39:22,838
There's also blood
on Betsy's socks.
892
00:39:22,882 --> 00:39:24,971
Like, why is there blood
on Betsy's socks
893
00:39:25,014 --> 00:39:28,148
if all of the blood loss
is around her neck and arms?
894
00:39:28,191 --> 00:39:29,671
And the socks
are only on halfway,
895
00:39:29,715 --> 00:39:32,021
like someone put them
back on her in a hurry.
896
00:39:32,065 --> 00:39:34,546
They used the sock gloves
897
00:39:34,589 --> 00:39:37,287
to transport
the murder slippers?
898
00:39:37,331 --> 00:39:39,115
Yes?
899
00:39:39,159 --> 00:39:40,943
Right? I play it out.
900
00:39:40,987 --> 00:39:43,381
They take the slippers,
they dip 'em in blood.
901
00:39:43,424 --> 00:39:44,947
They get blood on the socks.
902
00:39:44,991 --> 00:39:46,035
They're in a rush.
903
00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:48,037
They hit the bedroom
light switch,
904
00:39:48,081 --> 00:39:49,996
which is why it looks
like a bloody smear--
905
00:39:50,039 --> 00:39:53,391
And not a fingerprint.
906
00:39:53,434 --> 00:39:56,698
No fingerprints,
no evidence of a cleanup.
907
00:39:56,742 --> 00:39:58,744
But even if Askey says
those luminol photos
908
00:39:58,787 --> 00:40:00,223
didn't turn out,
we still need 'em.
909
00:40:00,267 --> 00:40:01,573
No, I'll stay on her.
910
00:40:01,616 --> 00:40:03,270
And we still need
polygraph results too,
911
00:40:03,313 --> 00:40:05,054
if those even exist.
912
00:40:05,098 --> 00:40:06,882
They said--
you can't fail
913
00:40:06,926 --> 00:40:08,841
a polygraph 100%, right?
914
00:40:08,884 --> 00:40:10,016
It's not a thing.
915
00:40:10,059 --> 00:40:11,583
Well, they can't use it
in court anyway.
916
00:40:11,626 --> 00:40:13,846
And don't forget about
the dozen phone calls
917
00:40:13,889 --> 00:40:15,543
from Pam to Betsy,
918
00:40:15,587 --> 00:40:19,678
but we don't have any records
from Pam's phone, so--
919
00:40:19,721 --> 00:40:21,593
Even without all of that,
920
00:40:21,636 --> 00:40:24,378
we can still prove
he got home too late.
921
00:40:24,422 --> 00:40:27,076
Got his alibi.
922
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,296
We got a SODDI.
923
00:40:31,951 --> 00:40:36,303
[line ringing]
924
00:40:37,435 --> 00:40:39,959
Hey, Russ. How you doing?
925
00:40:40,002 --> 00:40:41,656
Not great.
926
00:40:41,700 --> 00:40:44,093
I haven't heard from my girls.
927
00:40:44,137 --> 00:40:46,139
I mean, radio silence.
928
00:40:46,182 --> 00:40:48,750
It's not like Mariah.
929
00:40:48,794 --> 00:40:50,926
I just--
930
00:40:50,970 --> 00:40:53,233
I want to make things better,
I guess.
931
00:40:53,276 --> 00:40:55,322
Yeah, well, the trial's
right around the corner
932
00:40:55,365 --> 00:40:58,412
and I'm going to make sure
they see the Pam of it. Okay.
933
00:40:58,456 --> 00:41:01,067
And you are gonna
get your girls back
934
00:41:01,110 --> 00:41:03,765
because we got one thing
on our side that they don't,
935
00:41:03,809 --> 00:41:07,987
and it's a luxury that
I'm used to working without.
936
00:41:08,030 --> 00:41:10,032
What's that?
937
00:41:10,076 --> 00:41:12,513
The truth.
938
00:41:12,557 --> 00:41:16,125
narrator: Ah, truth.
A powerful thing.
939
00:41:16,169 --> 00:41:18,780
[upbeat jazzy music]
940
00:41:18,824 --> 00:41:22,958
But can it prevail in
a tight-knit town like Troy?
941
00:41:23,002 --> 00:41:25,352
Schwartz might want to keep
wife killers on the streets,
942
00:41:25,395 --> 00:41:26,832
but by the grace of God,
943
00:41:26,875 --> 00:41:30,183
I am putting this one away.
Whoo!
944
00:41:30,226 --> 00:41:31,445
Cheers to you!
945
00:41:31,489 --> 00:41:38,583
♪
946
00:41:42,456 --> 00:41:44,850
Yes. Yes!
947
00:41:44,893 --> 00:41:46,286
Whoo-hoo!
948
00:41:46,329 --> 00:41:48,549
♪
949
00:41:48,593 --> 00:41:52,858
Hey, let's get this hero
another shot!
950
00:41:52,901 --> 00:41:54,860
♪
951
00:41:54,903 --> 00:41:56,339
Um, sir?
952
00:41:56,383 --> 00:41:57,993
Another Shirley Temple, sir.
953
00:41:58,037 --> 00:41:59,865
Sir? Hello?
954
00:41:59,908 --> 00:42:06,828
♪
955
00:42:08,743 --> 00:42:11,224
narrator:
A tight-knit town indeed.
956
00:42:11,267 --> 00:42:14,227
♪
957
00:42:14,270 --> 00:42:17,230
[sinister music]
958
00:42:17,273 --> 00:42:24,411
♪