1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:03,042 - Tonight, on "The Proof is Out There." 2 00:00:03,042 --> 00:00:05,292 Lasers in the Hawaiian sky. 3 00:00:05,292 --> 00:00:07,250 Is this a secret space weapon? 4 00:00:07,250 --> 00:00:09,208 - These lasers are very sinister. 5 00:00:09,208 --> 00:00:10,958 They're part of a targeting system 6 00:00:10,958 --> 00:00:13,125 that was targeting the state of Hawaii. 7 00:00:13,125 --> 00:00:15,042 - [Tony] A mysterious claw. 8 00:00:15,042 --> 00:00:17,417 Did a sea monster attack a navy ship? 9 00:00:17,417 --> 00:00:19,625 - Really one of the most remarkable things 10 00:00:19,625 --> 00:00:22,792 that has ever happened involving an unknown sea creature 11 00:00:22,792 --> 00:00:25,000 of gigantic proportions. 12 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,833 - [Tony] Does a remarkable photo prove Bigfoot 13 00:00:27,833 --> 00:00:30,333 or his cousin is after your dogs? 14 00:00:30,333 --> 00:00:31,750 - You've heard of Bigfoot, 15 00:00:31,750 --> 00:00:33,542 but have you heard of Gugwe? 16 00:00:34,750 --> 00:00:36,042 - [Misty] That is weird. 17 00:00:36,042 --> 00:00:38,042 - [Tony] And what's that ring of lights 18 00:00:38,042 --> 00:00:40,083 near a historic government lab? 19 00:00:40,083 --> 00:00:41,667 - This area has been a hotspot 20 00:00:41,667 --> 00:00:43,958 for UFO sightings for 70 years. 21 00:00:43,958 --> 00:00:47,500 [dramatic music] 22 00:00:49,125 --> 00:00:50,917 - [Tony] Around the globe are videos. 23 00:00:50,917 --> 00:00:52,250 - [Witness] What are those things? 24 00:00:52,250 --> 00:00:53,792 - [Bystander] It's moving. 25 00:00:53,792 --> 00:00:57,042 - [Tony] Photos and sounds that defy explanation. 26 00:00:57,042 --> 00:00:59,542 [noise screeching] 27 00:00:59,542 --> 00:01:02,667 [dramatic music] 28 00:01:02,667 --> 00:01:04,542 - [Female Expert] We don't know where they come from, 29 00:01:04,542 --> 00:01:06,083 who made them, or how they operate. 30 00:01:06,083 --> 00:01:07,542 - [Tony] What are they? 31 00:01:07,542 --> 00:01:09,417 - [Male Expert] Some sort of bizarre mutation. 32 00:01:09,417 --> 00:01:11,208 - [Enthusiast] What's exciting is nobody really knows. 33 00:01:11,208 --> 00:01:14,458 - Extraordinary claims need extraordinary proof. 34 00:01:14,458 --> 00:01:16,208 [dramatic music] 35 00:01:16,208 --> 00:01:17,542 - I'm Tony Harris. 36 00:01:17,542 --> 00:01:20,000 And as a journalist for more than 30 years, 37 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,708 I've followed the facts where they take me. 38 00:01:22,708 --> 00:01:25,208 Now I'm bringing that spirit of investigation 39 00:01:25,208 --> 00:01:27,667 to the world's strangest sounds and images. 40 00:01:28,958 --> 00:01:30,917 We'll analyze each one with top experts. 41 00:01:30,917 --> 00:01:32,250 [vehicle crashing] 42 00:01:32,250 --> 00:01:34,667 - It's a credible case, it's a credible video. 43 00:01:34,667 --> 00:01:37,458 - [Tony] And pass a verdict on what it is. 44 00:01:37,458 --> 00:01:39,750 - This video was clearly faked. 45 00:01:39,750 --> 00:01:41,542 - The proof starts now. 46 00:01:42,125 --> 00:01:45,750 [dramatic music] 47 00:01:49,875 --> 00:01:51,167 Good evening, everyone, 48 00:01:51,167 --> 00:01:53,542 and welcome to "The Proof is Out There." 49 00:01:53,542 --> 00:01:57,542 Since laser beams were first introduced in the 1960s, 50 00:01:57,542 --> 00:01:59,250 they've been put to many good uses, 51 00:01:59,250 --> 00:02:00,792 from lifesaving surgeries 52 00:02:00,792 --> 00:02:03,417 to laser-triggered home alarms. 53 00:02:03,417 --> 00:02:05,292 But this next video will leave you wondering 54 00:02:05,292 --> 00:02:09,208 if lasers are also being used for more sinister purposes, 55 00:02:09,208 --> 00:02:11,167 specifically in the sky. 56 00:02:12,375 --> 00:02:16,125 It's January 2023, on the big island of Hawaii, 57 00:02:16,125 --> 00:02:18,917 atop the summit of the Mauna Kea volcano, 58 00:02:18,917 --> 00:02:21,125 a camera on the Subaru telescope 59 00:02:21,125 --> 00:02:24,708 captures the early morning sky over the Pacific. 60 00:02:24,708 --> 00:02:26,583 The camera is livestreaming 61 00:02:26,583 --> 00:02:29,458 when from out of nowhere a series of green lasers 62 00:02:29,458 --> 00:02:32,708 appears to sweep across the sky from left to right. 63 00:02:32,708 --> 00:02:34,375 [mysterious music] 64 00:02:34,375 --> 00:02:36,917 Take another look. It only lasts for about a second. 65 00:02:36,917 --> 00:02:38,375 And when we freeze it, 66 00:02:38,375 --> 00:02:41,042 we can clearly see the parallel green lines 67 00:02:41,042 --> 00:02:43,500 beam down from above, 68 00:02:43,500 --> 00:02:48,542 then flicker, and disappear as quickly as they came. 69 00:02:49,708 --> 00:02:51,208 Astrophotography expert Andrew McCarthy says 70 00:02:51,208 --> 00:02:53,208 some wonder if these beams of light 71 00:02:53,208 --> 00:02:55,000 could be a directed energy weapon. 72 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,167 - Directed energy weapons use concentrated energy, 73 00:02:58,167 --> 00:03:00,375 like from a laser, instead of projectiles, 74 00:03:00,375 --> 00:03:02,208 to destroy a target. 75 00:03:02,208 --> 00:03:03,708 This technology was first deployed 76 00:03:03,708 --> 00:03:06,625 in 2014 on the USS Ponce. 77 00:03:06,625 --> 00:03:10,125 - [Tony] The Ponce's 30-kilowatt infrared laser beam 78 00:03:10,125 --> 00:03:12,708 is a defensive weapon that can fry sensors, 79 00:03:12,708 --> 00:03:15,917 burn out motors, and detonate explosive materials. 80 00:03:15,917 --> 00:03:17,625 [explosion] 81 00:03:17,625 --> 00:03:20,875 It has demonstrated that it can down a small drone 82 00:03:20,875 --> 00:03:22,458 in less than two seconds. 83 00:03:22,458 --> 00:03:24,417 - Since then, the US has floated the idea 84 00:03:24,417 --> 00:03:27,292 of using space-based DEWs 85 00:03:27,292 --> 00:03:29,708 specifically to prevent missile attacks. 86 00:03:29,708 --> 00:03:31,667 - [Tony] McCarthy adds that technically 87 00:03:31,667 --> 00:03:34,333 the use of such weapons for offensive purposes 88 00:03:34,333 --> 00:03:36,125 can be deemed illegal. 89 00:03:36,125 --> 00:03:38,542 - The Outer Space Treaty in 1967 90 00:03:38,542 --> 00:03:41,625 forbade the use of any weapons of mass destruction, 91 00:03:41,625 --> 00:03:44,500 military bases, or other weapons in space. 92 00:03:44,500 --> 00:03:47,042 However, many speculate the militarization 93 00:03:47,042 --> 00:03:48,917 of space is already underway. 94 00:03:48,917 --> 00:03:52,208 - [Tony] Still, others question if these strange lights 95 00:03:52,208 --> 00:03:53,792 could have a more alien origin. 96 00:03:53,792 --> 00:03:57,375 - What this video reminds me of is a story from 1969 97 00:03:57,375 --> 00:03:59,375 in Berkshire County, Massachusetts. 98 00:03:59,375 --> 00:04:00,750 There were 40 eyewitnesses 99 00:04:00,750 --> 00:04:03,500 that claimed to see UFOs in the sky 100 00:04:03,500 --> 00:04:06,250 and that coincided with abduction stories 101 00:04:06,250 --> 00:04:09,042 where people claimed tractor beams, 102 00:04:09,042 --> 00:04:12,208 much like these green laser beams, 103 00:04:12,208 --> 00:04:13,958 were used to abduct them. 104 00:04:13,958 --> 00:04:17,333 [gentle dramatic music] 105 00:04:17,333 --> 00:04:19,042 - The camera that captured this footage 106 00:04:19,042 --> 00:04:20,375 is in a remote location, 107 00:04:20,375 --> 00:04:22,875 giving us a great view of the skies. 108 00:04:22,875 --> 00:04:25,750 So did it livestream something truly out of this world 109 00:04:25,750 --> 00:04:28,208 or something that could alter the course of life 110 00:04:28,208 --> 00:04:29,875 on the planet? 111 00:04:29,875 --> 00:04:31,625 Our experts take a closer look. 112 00:04:31,625 --> 00:04:35,875 [suspenseful music] [letters clicking] 113 00:04:35,875 --> 00:04:38,208 First, could this be something natural, 114 00:04:38,208 --> 00:04:39,542 like the Northern Lights? 115 00:04:39,542 --> 00:04:41,167 - This is a level of uniformity 116 00:04:41,167 --> 00:04:43,375 that suggests this is a technology. 117 00:04:43,375 --> 00:04:45,375 This is not a naturally occurring phenomenon. 118 00:04:45,375 --> 00:04:49,458 Nature doesn't work with that much uniformity. 119 00:04:49,458 --> 00:04:50,708 - [Tony] If this isn't natural, 120 00:04:50,708 --> 00:04:52,583 could these green lights actually 121 00:04:52,583 --> 00:04:55,750 be some sort of alien technology, like tractor beams? 122 00:04:55,750 --> 00:04:59,375 - There's nothing that's characteristic of UFO sightings. 123 00:04:59,375 --> 00:05:00,667 There's nothing I see here 124 00:05:00,667 --> 00:05:03,375 that can't be accounted for by Earth technology. 125 00:05:03,375 --> 00:05:05,667 - [Tony] So could this be a directed energy weapon 126 00:05:05,667 --> 00:05:08,292 capable of shooting at Earth from space? 127 00:05:08,292 --> 00:05:11,292 DEWs are meant to pinpoint a target. 128 00:05:11,292 --> 00:05:13,708 So it's unlikely beams from a weapon 129 00:05:13,708 --> 00:05:17,208 would've moved indiscriminately across the sky like this. 130 00:05:17,208 --> 00:05:18,750 And these lasers didn't seem 131 00:05:18,750 --> 00:05:21,250 to destroy anything in the process, 132 00:05:21,250 --> 00:05:23,167 so astronomer and video effects designer 133 00:05:23,167 --> 00:05:25,458 Marc D'Antonio has his doubts. 134 00:05:25,458 --> 00:05:27,042 - At first glance, you would think 135 00:05:27,042 --> 00:05:28,542 that this could potentially 136 00:05:28,542 --> 00:05:30,917 have some type of military application, 137 00:05:30,917 --> 00:05:33,208 and that's not untrue. 138 00:05:33,208 --> 00:05:36,250 However, in-depth analysis shows 139 00:05:36,250 --> 00:05:39,458 that this is probably a scientific endeavor. 140 00:05:39,458 --> 00:05:40,875 - There was some speculation 141 00:05:40,875 --> 00:05:44,750 that this was related to NASA's ICESat-2 satellite. 142 00:05:44,750 --> 00:05:46,542 However, upon further investigation, 143 00:05:46,542 --> 00:05:49,000 it turns out that the NASA ICESat-2 satellite 144 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,500 actually wasn't in the area at that time. 145 00:05:52,500 --> 00:05:55,375 NASA did try to determine what satellite 146 00:05:55,375 --> 00:05:57,667 may have been in that particular region. 147 00:05:57,667 --> 00:06:00,500 And the satellite that NASA was able to pinpoint 148 00:06:00,500 --> 00:06:02,333 based on trajectory measurements 149 00:06:02,333 --> 00:06:04,958 was the Chinese Daqi-1. 150 00:06:04,958 --> 00:06:07,625 - [Tony] The official purpose of the Daqi-1 151 00:06:07,625 --> 00:06:11,333 is to use the laser-scanning technology, known as lidar, 152 00:06:11,333 --> 00:06:12,833 to measure pollutants. 153 00:06:12,833 --> 00:06:15,167 But security expert Richard Fisher worries 154 00:06:15,167 --> 00:06:18,542 that's not the only data this device is gathering. 155 00:06:18,542 --> 00:06:23,458 - China's space program is entirely dual use. 156 00:06:23,458 --> 00:06:26,375 Everything the Chinese put into space 157 00:06:26,375 --> 00:06:29,625 is designed to produce a military benefit. 158 00:06:29,625 --> 00:06:31,833 The environmental monitoring satellite, 159 00:06:31,833 --> 00:06:35,750 Daqi-1, also measures, very precisely, 160 00:06:35,750 --> 00:06:39,667 the density of the atmosphere over the target, 161 00:06:39,667 --> 00:06:43,583 and this is crucial information for China's latest 162 00:06:43,583 --> 00:06:47,542 hypersonic glide vehicle armed missile. 163 00:06:47,542 --> 00:06:51,667 - Having accurate maps is crucial in a warfare scenario. 164 00:06:51,667 --> 00:06:55,208 So certainly it's not beyond the realm of possibility 165 00:06:55,208 --> 00:06:57,000 that data that's being collected here 166 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,500 could be used in a military setting in the event of a war. 167 00:07:00,500 --> 00:07:03,500 [suspenseful music] [letters clicking] 168 00:07:04,708 --> 00:07:07,042 - Our verdict, these green beams 169 00:07:07,042 --> 00:07:10,625 are pollution-detecting lidar from a Chinese satellite, 170 00:07:10,625 --> 00:07:12,958 though there is a chance these lasers 171 00:07:12,958 --> 00:07:15,917 may also have had a more covert mission. 172 00:07:15,917 --> 00:07:18,917 This unusual pattern was likely visible that day 173 00:07:18,917 --> 00:07:22,458 because it was filmed with a special low-light camera, 174 00:07:22,458 --> 00:07:24,875 and dense atmospheric conditions 175 00:07:24,875 --> 00:07:27,625 caused the beams to expand and scatter. 176 00:07:27,625 --> 00:07:29,583 [gentle dramatic music] 177 00:07:29,583 --> 00:07:34,125 Now let's get deep, like deep underwater. 178 00:07:34,125 --> 00:07:37,208 We've covered many incidents involving strange encounters 179 00:07:37,208 --> 00:07:38,750 between US Navy warships 180 00:07:38,750 --> 00:07:41,667 and unidentified objects in the air. 181 00:07:41,667 --> 00:07:43,708 This story is about a famous encounter 182 00:07:43,708 --> 00:07:47,250 with an unidentified object in the ocean, 183 00:07:47,250 --> 00:07:49,875 and this one allegedly had teeth. 184 00:07:51,500 --> 00:07:55,000 1978 on the Pacific Ocean, the USS Stein, 185 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,875 a US Navy destroyer escort, is conducting routine tests, 186 00:07:58,875 --> 00:08:00,667 when suddenly the radar system 187 00:08:00,667 --> 00:08:03,292 responsible for identifying submarine threats 188 00:08:03,292 --> 00:08:04,875 becomes inoperable. 189 00:08:04,875 --> 00:08:07,708 The Stein heads for land and reaches dry dock 190 00:08:07,708 --> 00:08:10,125 where upon inspection of the sonar dome, 191 00:08:10,125 --> 00:08:12,000 the engineers find this. 192 00:08:13,208 --> 00:08:16,500 This vintage film shows the rubber no-foul coating 193 00:08:16,500 --> 00:08:18,667 of the sonar dome is shredded, 194 00:08:18,667 --> 00:08:21,458 with large tears as big as four feet long. 195 00:08:21,458 --> 00:08:23,208 And what's more, 196 00:08:23,208 --> 00:08:26,500 embedded at the bottom of the scratches are curved claws. 197 00:08:26,500 --> 00:08:28,917 - The USS Stein incident has become 198 00:08:28,917 --> 00:08:31,667 one of the most famous incidents 199 00:08:31,667 --> 00:08:33,083 in the annals of cryptozoology 200 00:08:33,083 --> 00:08:36,667 that have to deal with a possible unknown sea creature. 201 00:08:36,667 --> 00:08:38,458 And, of course, what's really remarkable 202 00:08:38,458 --> 00:08:40,792 is that we have this physical evidence 203 00:08:40,792 --> 00:08:42,625 of whatever it was that damaged 204 00:08:42,625 --> 00:08:44,792 this rubber no-foul coating. 205 00:08:44,792 --> 00:08:47,250 - [Tony] The no-foul coating is specifically designed 206 00:08:47,250 --> 00:08:50,042 to create a smooth nonstick surface 207 00:08:50,042 --> 00:08:53,500 so barnacles and other sea creatures can't stick to it. 208 00:08:53,500 --> 00:08:55,708 - The navy called in their top scientist, 209 00:08:55,708 --> 00:08:58,667 a marine biologist by the name of F.G. Wood, 210 00:08:58,667 --> 00:09:00,500 in order to investigate 211 00:09:00,500 --> 00:09:03,667 and to examine these strange tooth-like 212 00:09:03,667 --> 00:09:05,333 or claw-like structures 213 00:09:05,333 --> 00:09:07,042 that were embedded in the rubber dome 214 00:09:07,042 --> 00:09:08,875 in order to see if they could identify 215 00:09:08,875 --> 00:09:12,375 and equate them to any type of known species. 216 00:09:12,375 --> 00:09:17,583 He concluded that they most resembled the so-called teeth 217 00:09:18,542 --> 00:09:20,208 that lined the suckers of squids. 218 00:09:20,208 --> 00:09:21,375 [water gurgling] 219 00:09:21,375 --> 00:09:22,542 - [Tony] The giant squid, 220 00:09:22,542 --> 00:09:24,708 a terrifying tale amongst seafaring folk, 221 00:09:24,708 --> 00:09:26,708 that was widely considered a myth. 222 00:09:26,708 --> 00:09:29,417 But after corpses started to wash up on ocean shores, 223 00:09:29,417 --> 00:09:30,875 and a Japanese science team 224 00:09:30,875 --> 00:09:33,583 caught one on camera back in 2012, 225 00:09:33,583 --> 00:09:36,542 it proved to be a real-life monster of the deep. 226 00:09:36,542 --> 00:09:39,208 Scientists believe these colossal creatures 227 00:09:39,208 --> 00:09:41,208 could grow up to 66 feet long. 228 00:09:41,208 --> 00:09:43,708 - Giant squid, in addition to their eight tentacles, 229 00:09:43,708 --> 00:09:46,042 they have these two incredibly long predatory arms 230 00:09:46,042 --> 00:09:49,208 with hooks or teeth in its suckers 231 00:09:49,208 --> 00:09:52,417 to grasp and tear prey apart. 232 00:09:52,417 --> 00:09:55,875 Upon examination of these teeth, 233 00:09:55,875 --> 00:09:58,917 F.G. Wood determined that the squid that left them behind 234 00:09:58,917 --> 00:10:00,250 would be somewhere in the neighborhood 235 00:10:00,250 --> 00:10:02,042 of 150 feet in length, 236 00:10:02,042 --> 00:10:04,333 which essentially is about half the height 237 00:10:04,333 --> 00:10:06,167 of the Statue of Liberty. 238 00:10:06,167 --> 00:10:08,833 We know that invertebrates are pretty much unlimited 239 00:10:08,833 --> 00:10:10,625 in terms of growth potential, 240 00:10:10,625 --> 00:10:13,042 particularly in the deep ocean. 241 00:10:13,042 --> 00:10:15,208 - [Tony] But there is another possibility, 242 00:10:15,208 --> 00:10:17,083 very real and very ugly, 243 00:10:17,083 --> 00:10:19,708 the frightful fish once thought to be extinct, 244 00:10:19,708 --> 00:10:21,083 the frilled shark. 245 00:10:21,083 --> 00:10:23,292 - Until recent years, it was safe to conclude 246 00:10:23,292 --> 00:10:26,042 that the frilled shark had gone the way of the megalodon. 247 00:10:26,042 --> 00:10:28,042 - [Tony] This was mainly due to the rarity 248 00:10:28,042 --> 00:10:29,875 of sightings of the deep sea creature. 249 00:10:29,875 --> 00:10:32,208 But new research is showing that this population 250 00:10:32,208 --> 00:10:34,000 is alive and thriving, 251 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,708 and Gerhard says the teeth of these sharks 252 00:10:36,708 --> 00:10:38,042 match the evidence. 253 00:10:38,042 --> 00:10:41,208 - The frilled shark has 25 rows of teeth. 254 00:10:41,208 --> 00:10:42,583 And the fact that we found 255 00:10:42,583 --> 00:10:44,542 so many of these tooth-like structures 256 00:10:44,542 --> 00:10:47,875 embedded in the no-foul dome of the USS Stein 257 00:10:47,875 --> 00:10:51,167 would indicate that a frilled shark is one possibility. 258 00:10:51,167 --> 00:10:54,042 [gentle dramatic music] 259 00:10:54,042 --> 00:10:58,042 - In 2014, two Greenpeace submariners 260 00:10:58,042 --> 00:11:01,000 had their own "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea" experience 261 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:05,042 when a squad of red devil squid attacked their vessel. 262 00:11:05,042 --> 00:11:07,375 So, we know they can get aggressive with 263 00:11:07,375 --> 00:11:09,042 manmade sea craft. 264 00:11:09,042 --> 00:11:11,208 Could a belligerent sea creature be responsible 265 00:11:11,208 --> 00:11:13,625 for what happened to the USS Stein? 266 00:11:13,625 --> 00:11:16,167 We let our experts dig their teeth in. 267 00:11:16,167 --> 00:11:20,542 [suspenseful music] [letters clicking] 268 00:11:20,542 --> 00:11:23,125 Could the damage be from the frilled shark 269 00:11:23,125 --> 00:11:24,750 as Gerhard suggests? 270 00:11:24,750 --> 00:11:27,292 - I don't see the types of tooth marks 271 00:11:27,292 --> 00:11:29,792 that I would expect to see from a frilled shark. 272 00:11:29,792 --> 00:11:32,667 We would see evidence of serrated teeth. 273 00:11:32,667 --> 00:11:34,167 The way that a shark bites 274 00:11:34,167 --> 00:11:36,833 is by grabbing onto something with its mouth, 275 00:11:36,833 --> 00:11:39,375 and then using the serrations in its teeth 276 00:11:39,375 --> 00:11:43,792 to tear through the flesh of that animal or object. 277 00:11:43,792 --> 00:11:45,917 - [Tony] And as for those claw-like fragments 278 00:11:45,917 --> 00:11:48,042 found stuck in the sonar dome. 279 00:11:48,042 --> 00:11:52,208 - This could be the claw of some kind of cephalopod. 280 00:11:52,208 --> 00:11:54,792 It's absolutely possible 281 00:11:54,792 --> 00:11:58,167 that this could have been a giant squid. 282 00:11:58,167 --> 00:12:02,167 Giant squid and sperm whales are known enemies. 283 00:12:02,167 --> 00:12:07,000 I wonder if this wasn't some sort of a giant squid 284 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,625 that thought this sonar device was actually a sperm whale 285 00:12:10,625 --> 00:12:14,750 trying to echolocate and it attacked the boat. 286 00:12:14,750 --> 00:12:16,708 - [Tony] So the giant squid theory is seaworthy. 287 00:12:16,708 --> 00:12:19,042 But remember that by Wood's calculations, 288 00:12:19,042 --> 00:12:22,375 this squid would have to be 150 feet long. 289 00:12:22,375 --> 00:12:24,292 Impossible? Think again. 290 00:12:24,292 --> 00:12:26,917 - The idea that there's a giant squid in our ocean 291 00:12:26,917 --> 00:12:30,292 that is much larger than any other documented specimen 292 00:12:30,292 --> 00:12:32,167 is totally possible. 293 00:12:32,167 --> 00:12:34,750 We've only found a few of these animals 294 00:12:34,750 --> 00:12:37,333 'cause they live in a deep ocean environment. 295 00:12:37,333 --> 00:12:41,000 But when a large animal dies in the deep sea 296 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,042 because there's so much water pressure, 297 00:12:43,042 --> 00:12:45,292 they almost immediately sink 298 00:12:45,292 --> 00:12:47,792 and we probably would never see them. 299 00:12:47,792 --> 00:12:50,875 So imagine how many unique animals 300 00:12:50,875 --> 00:12:52,792 are living and dying in our oceans today 301 00:12:52,792 --> 00:12:54,792 that we've just never encountered, 302 00:12:54,792 --> 00:12:56,000 and this could be one of them. 303 00:12:56,958 --> 00:13:01,167 [suspenseful music] [letters clicking] 304 00:13:01,167 --> 00:13:06,375 - Our verdict, we're going with a potential giant squid. 305 00:13:06,375 --> 00:13:09,542 Our experts back up the navy scientist's original theory. 306 00:13:09,542 --> 00:13:11,042 The damage left on the ship 307 00:13:11,042 --> 00:13:13,375 seems to indicate a giant squid, 308 00:13:13,375 --> 00:13:16,958 but one that would have to be on a monstrous scale 309 00:13:16,958 --> 00:13:18,292 unlike any squid ever seen before. 310 00:13:23,208 --> 00:13:25,417 - We are always talking about Bigfoot 311 00:13:25,417 --> 00:13:29,375 potentially being the missing link between ape and man, 312 00:13:29,375 --> 00:13:31,583 but we never consider if, over the millennia, 313 00:13:31,583 --> 00:13:36,000 Bigfoot itself has evolved into a new subspecies. 314 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,917 Could this next story be proof of such an offshoot? 315 00:13:40,333 --> 00:13:44,667 June 1st, 2005, the Parc des Sept-Chutes in Quebec, Canada. 316 00:13:45,125 --> 00:13:47,083 Louie, a construction truck driver, 317 00:13:47,083 --> 00:13:49,542 was taking photos while on a hike in the park. 318 00:13:49,542 --> 00:13:52,708 When he gets home, he looks at the images he's captured, 319 00:13:52,708 --> 00:13:54,208 when he sees this. 320 00:13:55,583 --> 00:13:57,292 The figure is in the shadows. 321 00:13:57,292 --> 00:13:59,833 But as we crop the image and lighten the area, 322 00:13:59,833 --> 00:14:02,250 it sure looks like this thing has a snout 323 00:14:02,250 --> 00:14:04,208 and is carrying something white. 324 00:14:04,208 --> 00:14:05,833 Amazingly, the creature appears to be 325 00:14:05,833 --> 00:14:09,250 staring at the photographer who doesn't notice it. 326 00:14:09,250 --> 00:14:11,000 Field researcher Cliff Barackman 327 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,958 points out some key features of the creature in this image. 328 00:14:13,958 --> 00:14:16,875 - I like the color of the figure in this photograph. 329 00:14:16,875 --> 00:14:19,042 It turns out if you have a Sasquatch hair 330 00:14:19,042 --> 00:14:20,583 and you backlight it, 331 00:14:20,583 --> 00:14:22,833 they all shine red. 332 00:14:22,833 --> 00:14:24,417 Under the forest canopy, 333 00:14:24,417 --> 00:14:28,625 the sunlight is filtered by the leaves in the foliage above, 334 00:14:28,625 --> 00:14:30,750 and the first wavelengths of light 335 00:14:30,750 --> 00:14:33,500 to disappear are the red wavelengths. 336 00:14:33,500 --> 00:14:35,250 Anything red under the canopy, 337 00:14:35,250 --> 00:14:38,208 like a Sasquatch, would appear black. 338 00:14:38,208 --> 00:14:40,000 - [Tony] And while some suggested 339 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:41,500 this could be a Bigfoot, 340 00:14:41,500 --> 00:14:44,292 others believe this could be something new altogether. 341 00:14:44,292 --> 00:14:46,708 - Some people in the Bigfoot community look at this picture 342 00:14:46,708 --> 00:14:49,042 and say it's a more baboon-like species 343 00:14:49,042 --> 00:14:51,167 with a more prominent prognathism, 344 00:14:51,167 --> 00:14:53,833 a jutting forward of the jaw. 345 00:14:53,833 --> 00:14:56,083 Maybe it's a new species of Sasquatch. 346 00:14:56,083 --> 00:14:58,625 They've even put the name Gugwe on it, 347 00:14:58,625 --> 00:15:01,375 which is a local term used in this part of the country. 348 00:15:02,042 --> 00:15:03,875 - [Tony] Some say this Gugwe 349 00:15:03,875 --> 00:15:06,167 is a much more ferocious Bigfoot, 350 00:15:06,167 --> 00:15:08,750 and that this white object is actually a dog 351 00:15:08,750 --> 00:15:11,000 about to become its next meal. 352 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,292 Supposedly, the day before the image was taken, 353 00:15:13,292 --> 00:15:17,125 a woman's small dog had gone missing and was never found. 354 00:15:17,125 --> 00:15:20,667 - Sasquatch would shift their diet over to meat eating 355 00:15:20,667 --> 00:15:22,375 for probably most of the winter. 356 00:15:22,375 --> 00:15:24,208 Frankly, if you're making your living out there 357 00:15:24,208 --> 00:15:26,542 eating whatever moves, crawls, or slithers, 358 00:15:26,542 --> 00:15:28,083 you can't be too picky. 359 00:15:28,083 --> 00:15:30,208 [gentle dramatic music] 360 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:32,917 - Bigfoot made Canadian headlines, 361 00:15:32,917 --> 00:15:35,958 when, in 2018, a believer's lawsuit 362 00:15:35,958 --> 00:15:38,667 claiming that British Columbia failed in its duty 363 00:15:38,667 --> 00:15:41,208 to recognize the legendary creature 364 00:15:41,208 --> 00:15:43,250 was dismissed by the courts. 365 00:15:43,250 --> 00:15:45,458 But now, could this picture prove 366 00:15:45,458 --> 00:15:48,833 there is a large, aggressive apex creature 367 00:15:48,833 --> 00:15:50,958 hunting in the woods in Quebec? 368 00:15:50,958 --> 00:15:53,125 We turned to our experts to find out. 369 00:15:53,125 --> 00:15:57,542 [suspenseful music] [letters clicking] 370 00:15:57,542 --> 00:15:59,667 Biologist Floyd Hayes looks into whether this 371 00:15:59,667 --> 00:16:03,292 could be the misidentification of a Canadian bear. 372 00:16:03,292 --> 00:16:06,375 - The only bear that lives in Quebec is the black bear. 373 00:16:06,375 --> 00:16:08,042 But in this image, we're seeing something 374 00:16:08,042 --> 00:16:10,375 that looks like there's too much white 375 00:16:10,375 --> 00:16:14,042 in the middle of the body and up in the head. 376 00:16:14,042 --> 00:16:16,208 And bears also don't carry an object 377 00:16:16,208 --> 00:16:18,042 in a single arm like that. 378 00:16:18,042 --> 00:16:20,042 The head looks more like a baboon. 379 00:16:20,042 --> 00:16:22,375 - [Tony] A baboon in the Great White North? 380 00:16:22,375 --> 00:16:24,042 - It doesn't make sense for it to be a monkey, 381 00:16:24,042 --> 00:16:25,292 because this is in Canada. 382 00:16:25,292 --> 00:16:28,375 There are no primates in this area. 383 00:16:28,375 --> 00:16:30,542 Monkeys can't survive in the cold. 384 00:16:30,542 --> 00:16:31,875 There's only one species of monkey 385 00:16:31,875 --> 00:16:33,542 that can live in the cold, 386 00:16:33,542 --> 00:16:36,833 and they are the ones that use the hot springs 387 00:16:36,833 --> 00:16:38,583 to help them through the winter. 388 00:16:39,708 --> 00:16:41,000 - [Tony] If it isn't a baboon, 389 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,375 could it be a large primate, like a Bigfoot? 390 00:16:43,375 --> 00:16:46,833 - You cannot clearly make out a primate. 391 00:16:46,833 --> 00:16:48,625 It's really pixelated. 392 00:16:48,625 --> 00:16:52,542 And then, we also don't have other supporting evidence, 393 00:16:52,542 --> 00:16:57,125 like tracks, scat, nests, things like that. 394 00:16:57,125 --> 00:16:58,375 - [Tony] And according to Manka, 395 00:16:58,375 --> 00:17:01,208 even if this were a primate of some kind, 396 00:17:01,208 --> 00:17:04,167 it's highly unlikely that a dog would be its prey. 397 00:17:04,167 --> 00:17:06,875 - Most primates feed on meat sporadically 398 00:17:06,875 --> 00:17:08,542 or opportunistically, 399 00:17:08,542 --> 00:17:12,250 and it makes up less than 1% of the diet 400 00:17:12,250 --> 00:17:15,625 of almost all 89 primate species. 401 00:17:15,625 --> 00:17:16,542 - [Tony] Dr. Manka believes 402 00:17:16,542 --> 00:17:19,500 this could be an example of pareidolia, 403 00:17:19,500 --> 00:17:22,292 people seeing patterns that resemble something familiar 404 00:17:22,292 --> 00:17:24,708 to them and who want to believe that's what it is. 405 00:17:24,708 --> 00:17:27,375 - I can see how people can make out an animal shape, 406 00:17:27,375 --> 00:17:31,250 but it really doesn't have the level of detail 407 00:17:31,250 --> 00:17:35,083 to be seen as a baboon-like animal. 408 00:17:35,083 --> 00:17:37,542 That's really lending a lot to the imagination. 409 00:17:37,542 --> 00:17:41,000 It looks a lot like a dead tree, a tree stump. 410 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,042 [suspenseful music] [letters clicking] 411 00:17:46,375 --> 00:17:49,875 - So our experts think this is just a piece of the forest, 412 00:17:49,875 --> 00:17:51,208 like a tree stump. 413 00:17:51,208 --> 00:17:53,917 And although we're not 100% certain, 414 00:17:53,917 --> 00:17:55,875 we're inclined to agree. 415 00:17:55,875 --> 00:17:58,750 Many in the Bigfoot community remain highly interested 416 00:17:58,750 --> 00:18:01,917 in the possibility of more evidence from this area. 417 00:18:01,917 --> 00:18:04,167 If you, or someone you know 418 00:18:04,167 --> 00:18:07,125 has more images or videos of the Gugwe, 419 00:18:07,125 --> 00:18:07,458 please contact us. 420 00:18:11,875 --> 00:18:14,083 - A ring of strange lights in the sky 421 00:18:14,083 --> 00:18:16,250 is an odd sight in itself, 422 00:18:16,250 --> 00:18:18,167 but when it's seemingly buzzing 423 00:18:18,167 --> 00:18:22,167 and not far from an infamous US government laboratory, 424 00:18:22,167 --> 00:18:25,708 well, you just know we have to investigate. 425 00:18:29,708 --> 00:18:32,042 August 3rd, 2015, just after 10:00 PM, Misty Strevel, 426 00:18:32,042 --> 00:18:34,125 along with her daughter and another passenger, 427 00:18:34,125 --> 00:18:36,958 are driving on a highway in Knoxville, Tennessee, 428 00:18:36,958 --> 00:18:40,958 when Misty's daughter sees a strange sight in the night sky. 429 00:18:40,958 --> 00:18:42,292 - She's like, "Mom, what are those red 430 00:18:42,292 --> 00:18:43,792 and green lights in the sky?" 431 00:18:43,792 --> 00:18:47,208 And, first thought, I'm like, "It's an airplane." 432 00:18:47,208 --> 00:18:48,500 That is weird. 433 00:18:49,583 --> 00:18:52,500 - [Daughter] Dude, it's buzzing. - [Misty] It sure is. 434 00:18:52,500 --> 00:18:53,875 - [Tony] Misty captures a light 435 00:18:53,875 --> 00:18:56,542 floating in a sea of darkness. 436 00:18:56,542 --> 00:18:57,708 But as we zoom in, 437 00:18:57,708 --> 00:18:59,750 something even more interesting can be seen. 438 00:18:59,750 --> 00:19:03,250 It's not just one light, but, in fact, a ring of lights. 439 00:19:04,375 --> 00:19:05,667 - [Misty] You know what the crazy thing? 440 00:19:05,667 --> 00:19:07,125 The lights, on this, it's showing white, 441 00:19:07,125 --> 00:19:09,708 but that's all red and green. - [Daughter] Yeah. 442 00:19:09,708 --> 00:19:13,542 - It was maybe 50 feet above the used car lot sign. 443 00:19:13,542 --> 00:19:16,750 It was just, I've never seen anything like it. 444 00:19:16,750 --> 00:19:18,333 - [Passenger] A UFO, y'all. 445 00:19:18,333 --> 00:19:19,542 - [Daughter] Holy... 446 00:19:19,542 --> 00:19:21,292 - [Passenger] Space people coming to us. 447 00:19:21,292 --> 00:19:24,542 - [Tony] If this is a UFO, writer Amy Teitel says 448 00:19:24,542 --> 00:19:26,208 it wouldn't be the first to be seen 449 00:19:26,208 --> 00:19:28,625 over this part of Eastern Tennessee. 450 00:19:28,625 --> 00:19:32,042 - Knoxville has a really interesting history with UFOs 451 00:19:32,042 --> 00:19:34,125 dating back to the Second World War, 452 00:19:34,125 --> 00:19:36,250 when the Oak Ridge National Laboratory 453 00:19:36,250 --> 00:19:39,167 was founded about half an hour outside the city. 454 00:19:39,167 --> 00:19:40,458 - [Tony] During World War II, 455 00:19:40,458 --> 00:19:42,875 Oak Ridge was cloaked in secrecy. 456 00:19:42,875 --> 00:19:45,042 Its purpose was to enrich uranium 457 00:19:45,042 --> 00:19:46,375 for the Manhattan Project 458 00:19:46,375 --> 00:19:48,875 and Robert Oppenheimer's atomic bomb. 459 00:19:48,875 --> 00:19:51,375 [explosion blasts] 460 00:19:51,375 --> 00:19:52,833 - There were some strange phenomena 461 00:19:52,833 --> 00:19:54,042 that happened in the area 462 00:19:54,042 --> 00:19:55,667 a few years after it was established. 463 00:19:56,833 --> 00:19:59,292 In October of 1950, William Fry, 464 00:19:59,292 --> 00:20:01,750 who is the assistant chief of security at the lab, 465 00:20:01,750 --> 00:20:05,458 saw a bright, glowing light over the movie theater in town. 466 00:20:05,458 --> 00:20:09,292 It flashed red and green before finally disappearing. 467 00:20:09,292 --> 00:20:10,458 10 minutes later, 468 00:20:10,458 --> 00:20:12,708 U.S. Air Force Major Lawrence Ballweg 469 00:20:12,708 --> 00:20:15,542 saw the same thing from his house. 470 00:20:15,542 --> 00:20:18,208 Though both witnesses were extremely credible, 471 00:20:18,208 --> 00:20:20,958 neither of these sightings was ever solved. 472 00:20:20,958 --> 00:20:22,792 [suspenseful music] 473 00:20:23,417 --> 00:20:24,625 - What's even more eerie? 474 00:20:24,625 --> 00:20:26,958 Seven years after Misty's encounter, 475 00:20:26,958 --> 00:20:31,542 a similar ring of lights appeared again in 2022. 476 00:20:31,542 --> 00:20:35,083 So is what Misty saw a real-deal UFO? 477 00:20:35,083 --> 00:20:36,667 Let's see what our experts think. 478 00:20:36,667 --> 00:20:41,125 [suspenseful music] [letters clicking] 479 00:20:41,125 --> 00:20:43,667 We begin with physicist Matthew Szydagis. 480 00:20:43,667 --> 00:20:45,917 Is it possible that taking into account 481 00:20:45,917 --> 00:20:47,833 Oak Ridge's classified past, 482 00:20:47,833 --> 00:20:51,000 this light is a secret craft connected to the base? 483 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,875 - Oak Ridge National Laboratory 484 00:20:52,875 --> 00:20:57,542 is focused on nuclear physics, not aerospace. 485 00:20:57,542 --> 00:21:02,375 Oak Ridge is not Area 51 or Groom Lake. 486 00:21:02,375 --> 00:21:07,333 Moreover, you can't just fly secret craft anywhere. 487 00:21:08,750 --> 00:21:12,750 These craft are going to be tested at specific ranges, 488 00:21:13,708 --> 00:21:15,375 usually in the middle of nowhere. 489 00:21:15,375 --> 00:21:18,167 - [Tony] If it's not secret US government technology, 490 00:21:18,167 --> 00:21:20,042 is it possible these eyewitnesses 491 00:21:20,042 --> 00:21:21,500 were right on target? 492 00:21:21,500 --> 00:21:23,708 - [Passenger] A UFO, y'all. - [Daughter] Holy... 493 00:21:23,708 --> 00:21:26,292 - [Passenger] Space people coming to us. 494 00:21:26,292 --> 00:21:27,750 - Obviously something is flying, 495 00:21:27,750 --> 00:21:29,625 but we don't see the extreme behaviors 496 00:21:29,625 --> 00:21:33,750 that oftentime get attributed to UFOs. 497 00:21:33,750 --> 00:21:37,875 Misty reports to have seen lights that are red and green, 498 00:21:37,875 --> 00:21:39,958 in addition to the white light that we see. 499 00:21:39,958 --> 00:21:41,708 - [Misty] The lights, on this, it's showing white, 500 00:21:41,708 --> 00:21:44,417 but that's all red and green. - [Daughter] Yeah. 501 00:21:44,417 --> 00:21:45,750 - [Tony] That matters, 502 00:21:45,750 --> 00:21:47,917 because the FAA requires navigation lights 503 00:21:47,917 --> 00:21:50,875 to be red on the left wing, green on the right, 504 00:21:50,875 --> 00:21:52,250 and white on the tail. 505 00:21:52,250 --> 00:21:54,625 Seems unlikely aliens would take pains 506 00:21:54,625 --> 00:21:57,333 to comply with FAA regulations. 507 00:21:57,333 --> 00:22:00,750 Still, Hernandez believes this isn't an airplane. 508 00:22:00,750 --> 00:22:02,917 - It was a hot summer day across Knoxville. 509 00:22:02,917 --> 00:22:04,542 The winds overall were calm, 510 00:22:04,542 --> 00:22:07,625 which were excellent for flying drones this specific day. 511 00:22:07,625 --> 00:22:09,833 We hear the noise of the propellers. 512 00:22:11,083 --> 00:22:13,542 Very confident that what we're looking at here is a drone. 513 00:22:15,333 --> 00:22:16,500 - [Tony] But Szydagis says 514 00:22:16,500 --> 00:22:18,542 don't let your eyes and ears fool you. 515 00:22:18,542 --> 00:22:21,042 - I can explain the noise 516 00:22:21,042 --> 00:22:24,125 as simply background noise 517 00:22:24,125 --> 00:22:25,375 of a noisy environment, 518 00:22:25,375 --> 00:22:29,292 and it's impossible to judge the distance 519 00:22:29,292 --> 00:22:31,375 to an object and its speed, 520 00:22:31,375 --> 00:22:35,042 especially at night with no reference points. 521 00:22:35,042 --> 00:22:38,375 An object that is small and close to a camera 522 00:22:38,375 --> 00:22:41,375 will look the same size in the camera lens 523 00:22:41,375 --> 00:22:44,708 as an object that is both larger and far away. 524 00:22:44,708 --> 00:22:46,583 - [Tony] That's why Szydagis actually thinks 525 00:22:46,583 --> 00:22:48,542 this could be a balloon. 526 00:22:48,542 --> 00:22:51,458 - I think this is a very special kind of balloon. 527 00:22:51,458 --> 00:22:54,708 I believe that what we are seeing here 528 00:22:54,708 --> 00:22:58,750 is part of something called the Google Loon Project. 529 00:22:59,833 --> 00:23:01,917 - [Tony] Loon was Google's experiment 530 00:23:01,917 --> 00:23:03,250 to provide internet access 531 00:23:03,250 --> 00:23:05,500 to rural and remote areas across the globe. 532 00:23:05,500 --> 00:23:07,625 The company used high-altitude balloons 533 00:23:07,625 --> 00:23:09,958 about 12 miles up in the stratosphere 534 00:23:09,958 --> 00:23:12,875 to create an aerial wireless network. 535 00:23:12,875 --> 00:23:16,125 It's a plausible theory, but Hernandez disagrees. 536 00:23:16,125 --> 00:23:17,708 - Obviously, we can see this, 537 00:23:17,708 --> 00:23:20,875 but Project Loon balloons are fairly hard to notice 538 00:23:20,875 --> 00:23:23,958 given that they're about 65,000 feet above the surface, 539 00:23:23,958 --> 00:23:26,833 much higher than a commercial jet liner, 540 00:23:26,833 --> 00:23:30,417 and would be moving fairly fast with the jet stream. 541 00:23:30,792 --> 00:23:32,583 We don't see that kind of motion here. 542 00:23:32,583 --> 00:23:37,625 [suspenseful music] [letters clicking] 543 00:23:38,875 --> 00:23:41,417 - Wow, both of our experts make compelling arguments 544 00:23:41,417 --> 00:23:43,750 for two completely different things. 545 00:23:43,750 --> 00:23:48,458 So our verdict, for now, we're going with genuine UFO, 546 00:23:48,458 --> 00:23:50,042 though we certainly can't say it's an alien craft. 547 00:23:55,042 --> 00:23:57,000 - Over the years, we've investigated several recordings 548 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:58,875 of alleged Bigfoot sounds. 549 00:23:58,875 --> 00:24:02,250 Some have turned out to be amateurish fakes. 550 00:24:02,250 --> 00:24:04,500 We debunked those easily. 551 00:24:04,500 --> 00:24:06,792 But not this one, give it a listen. 552 00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:10,958 It's the night of July 2nd, 2022. 553 00:24:10,958 --> 00:24:12,667 In Loudonville, Ohio, 554 00:24:13,375 --> 00:24:15,125 Bigfoot Field Research Organization Member 555 00:24:15,125 --> 00:24:17,500 Suzanne Ferencak is with friends 556 00:24:17,500 --> 00:24:19,458 watching some early fireworks. 557 00:24:19,458 --> 00:24:22,292 Around 10:00 PM, they hear something strange. 558 00:24:22,292 --> 00:24:24,083 - When there was a quiet time, 559 00:24:24,083 --> 00:24:26,792 all five of us heard some howls. 560 00:24:26,792 --> 00:24:29,708 Immediately, we're quiet and looked at each other, 561 00:24:29,708 --> 00:24:31,333 like, "What was that?" 562 00:24:31,333 --> 00:24:32,542 You know, it was just kind of like, 563 00:24:32,542 --> 00:24:34,500 "Okay, ears up, maybe there's something 564 00:24:34,500 --> 00:24:36,208 to pay attention to." 565 00:24:36,208 --> 00:24:37,375 - [Tony] Later that night, 566 00:24:37,375 --> 00:24:40,083 Suzanne hears the same howls again, 567 00:24:40,083 --> 00:24:42,208 but this time she's recording. 568 00:24:42,208 --> 00:24:45,542 [creature howling] 569 00:24:45,542 --> 00:24:47,750 A quiet howl, increasing in pitch, 570 00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:49,458 is followed by another one. 571 00:24:49,458 --> 00:24:52,458 [creature howling] 572 00:24:54,375 --> 00:24:58,375 - This was at 3:42 AM, I heard these howls, 573 00:24:58,375 --> 00:24:59,833 and they sounded similar to the ones 574 00:24:59,833 --> 00:25:03,042 that we had heard about 10 o'clock that night. 575 00:25:03,042 --> 00:25:06,542 I was excited that I finally got something decent. 576 00:25:06,542 --> 00:25:09,292 At least, you know, I think I did. 577 00:25:09,292 --> 00:25:12,125 [creature howling] 578 00:25:14,375 --> 00:25:16,375 - Suzanne's hometown of Loudonville 579 00:25:16,375 --> 00:25:18,375 is in a rural stretch of Ohio, 580 00:25:18,375 --> 00:25:20,917 located right next to Mohican State Park, 581 00:25:20,917 --> 00:25:23,083 home to thousands of wooden acres. 582 00:25:23,083 --> 00:25:24,875 - Many, many sighting reports come out 583 00:25:24,875 --> 00:25:28,375 of the immediate vicinity near Suzanne's property, 584 00:25:28,375 --> 00:25:30,875 and for several miles in all directions. 585 00:25:30,875 --> 00:25:33,708 There is corn here for much of the year. 586 00:25:33,708 --> 00:25:36,750 And that corn not only gives Sasquatches and other animals 587 00:25:36,750 --> 00:25:39,167 places to hide and a possible food source, 588 00:25:39,167 --> 00:25:41,125 but it brings in the deer, 589 00:25:41,125 --> 00:25:45,542 the key to why Sasquatches might be in this particular area. 590 00:25:45,542 --> 00:25:46,792 - [Tony] That's because Barackman, 591 00:25:46,792 --> 00:25:48,583 and other Sasquatch researchers, 592 00:25:48,583 --> 00:25:50,708 believe the creatures are omnivores, 593 00:25:50,708 --> 00:25:53,000 eating meat, as well as vegetables. 594 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,417 And Barackman vouches for Suzanne herself. 595 00:25:55,417 --> 00:25:57,542 - Suzanne is a friend, I know her. 596 00:25:57,542 --> 00:26:00,042 So we have a recording here 597 00:26:00,042 --> 00:26:04,792 that I don't have to question the motivation of the witness. 598 00:26:04,792 --> 00:26:08,125 So the only question left here is what makes that noise? 599 00:26:08,125 --> 00:26:11,042 [creature howling] 600 00:26:11,042 --> 00:26:12,458 [suspenseful music] 601 00:26:13,042 --> 00:26:15,042 - This recording is the latest in the trove 602 00:26:15,042 --> 00:26:18,708 of Ohio Bigfoot materials we've investigated, 603 00:26:18,708 --> 00:26:21,875 including these famous 1994 Ohio howls, 604 00:26:21,875 --> 00:26:24,042 recorded by Matt Moneymaker. 605 00:26:24,042 --> 00:26:26,375 They didn't match any local animals. 606 00:26:26,375 --> 00:26:29,458 [creature howling] 607 00:26:29,458 --> 00:26:32,042 So Ohio's a hotspot for sure. 608 00:26:32,042 --> 00:26:34,750 Let's see if our experts think this sound 609 00:26:34,750 --> 00:26:36,083 could be the real deal. 610 00:26:36,083 --> 00:26:40,625 [suspenseful music] [letters clicking] 611 00:26:40,625 --> 00:26:43,375 First, forensic audio analyst Rob Maher 612 00:26:43,375 --> 00:26:45,542 authenticates the recording. 613 00:26:45,542 --> 00:26:48,583 [creature howling] 614 00:26:49,833 --> 00:26:51,708 - The background sounds are consistent throughout, 615 00:26:51,708 --> 00:26:54,333 and the unknown sounds are very prominent 616 00:26:54,333 --> 00:26:57,208 in the section of the recording where they're present. 617 00:26:57,208 --> 00:26:59,750 So it seems to be an authentic recording. 618 00:26:59,750 --> 00:27:02,375 - [Tony] So we know it's not a fake. 619 00:27:02,375 --> 00:27:04,625 Could these be the howls of coyotes? 620 00:27:04,625 --> 00:27:07,250 [coyote barking and howling] 621 00:27:07,250 --> 00:27:09,208 Coyotes aren't native to Ohio, 622 00:27:09,208 --> 00:27:12,708 but their population exploded in the early 20th century 623 00:27:12,708 --> 00:27:15,333 when settlers exterminated their main predator, 624 00:27:15,333 --> 00:27:16,875 the gray wolf. 625 00:27:16,875 --> 00:27:19,167 - If we look at a recording of an actual coyote, 626 00:27:19,167 --> 00:27:23,750 they have a very distinctive rising frequency to begin with, 627 00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:26,708 and then continue on more of a sustained pitch. 628 00:27:26,708 --> 00:27:29,625 [coyote howling] 629 00:27:31,042 --> 00:27:32,792 The frequency is a little higher 630 00:27:32,792 --> 00:27:35,500 than what we observed in the Ohio recording. 631 00:27:35,500 --> 00:27:38,167 [coyote howling] 632 00:27:40,083 --> 00:27:43,458 [creature howling] 633 00:27:43,458 --> 00:27:45,208 So although this is similar, 634 00:27:45,208 --> 00:27:47,875 there are some significant differences here. 635 00:27:47,875 --> 00:27:51,042 - [Tony] So if it's not a coyote, could it be Bigfoot? 636 00:27:51,042 --> 00:27:53,958 - To my ear, it's very reminiscent of the whoop 637 00:27:53,958 --> 00:27:56,750 produced by gibbons and siamangs. 638 00:27:56,750 --> 00:27:59,542 [siamang whooping] 639 00:27:59,542 --> 00:28:02,042 They have this inflatable throat sac 640 00:28:02,042 --> 00:28:05,083 that serves as a resonating chamber 641 00:28:05,083 --> 00:28:09,625 for projecting these extremely loud whoops 642 00:28:09,625 --> 00:28:11,208 that carry through the forest. 643 00:28:11,208 --> 00:28:14,083 I have suggested that if Sasquatch nests 644 00:28:14,083 --> 00:28:17,083 within this family of primates, 645 00:28:17,083 --> 00:28:21,333 they may as well possess these extra laryngeal sacs. 646 00:28:22,583 --> 00:28:24,375 - [Tony] Maher goes with the Bigfoot theory, 647 00:28:24,375 --> 00:28:26,042 and decides to test this audio 648 00:28:26,042 --> 00:28:30,042 against the 1971 Sierra Sounds from California, 649 00:28:30,042 --> 00:28:32,792 believed by some to be a genuine Sasquatch. 650 00:28:32,792 --> 00:28:35,125 - The Sierra Sound that's attributed to Bigfoot 651 00:28:35,125 --> 00:28:39,000 has a rising sound and then sort of a whoop. 652 00:28:39,458 --> 00:28:43,083 [creature howls and whoops] 653 00:28:44,708 --> 00:28:46,208 The initial rise we see here 654 00:28:46,208 --> 00:28:49,292 from the 300 or 400 hertz frequency range 655 00:28:49,292 --> 00:28:52,500 is very similar to the Ohio Sound recording. 656 00:28:52,500 --> 00:28:55,125 The last part of the utterance from this recording 657 00:28:55,125 --> 00:28:57,708 that has the whoop at the end 658 00:28:57,708 --> 00:28:59,875 is not present in the Ohio recording. 659 00:28:59,875 --> 00:29:03,875 [creature howls and whoops] 660 00:29:03,875 --> 00:29:07,500 [creature howling] 661 00:29:07,500 --> 00:29:09,833 So although the first part of this is very similar 662 00:29:09,833 --> 00:29:11,500 to what's observed, 663 00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:13,500 the second part is different. 664 00:29:13,500 --> 00:29:16,583 - [Tony] But how about that other famous Ohio howl 665 00:29:16,583 --> 00:29:17,583 we told you about? 666 00:29:17,583 --> 00:29:20,625 [creature howling] 667 00:29:20,625 --> 00:29:22,708 - If we compare the Ohio recording 668 00:29:22,708 --> 00:29:26,292 to the recordings from Matt Moneymaker, 669 00:29:26,292 --> 00:29:29,000 we can see the fundamental frequencies here 670 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,708 are approximately in the same vicinity. 671 00:29:31,708 --> 00:29:34,750 [creature howling] 672 00:29:35,875 --> 00:29:39,375 [creature howling] 673 00:29:39,375 --> 00:29:41,167 So the characteristics here 674 00:29:41,167 --> 00:29:44,042 seem to occupy the right frequency range 675 00:29:44,042 --> 00:29:47,375 between this example recording and the Ohio recording. 676 00:29:47,375 --> 00:29:50,417 [suspenseful music] [letters clicking] 677 00:29:51,917 --> 00:29:55,375 - Our verdict, we're going with possible Bigfoot sounds, 678 00:29:55,375 --> 00:29:58,750 but that's as far as we feel comfortable going. 679 00:29:58,750 --> 00:30:01,542 While Suzanne's recordings aren't a close match 680 00:30:01,542 --> 00:30:03,042 with the famous Sierra Sounds, 681 00:30:03,042 --> 00:30:05,250 they do possess many similarities 682 00:30:05,250 --> 00:30:09,500 to Matt Moneymaker's 1994 howls, also recorded in Ohio. 683 00:30:09,500 --> 00:30:12,292 So maybe she finally did capture the call of the big guy. 684 00:30:17,500 --> 00:30:20,833 - Can spirits of the dead contact us from beyond? 685 00:30:20,833 --> 00:30:24,125 One man in Texas says, "Yes." 686 00:30:24,125 --> 00:30:27,625 And he says this next video from his home security camera 687 00:30:27,625 --> 00:30:29,333 is what made him a believer. 688 00:30:30,500 --> 00:30:33,250 November 2020, Cypress, Texas. 689 00:30:33,250 --> 00:30:35,208 It's a quiet night in this community 690 00:30:36,542 --> 00:30:37,500 about 30 miles outside Houston. 691 00:30:37,667 --> 00:30:39,958 But then, an infrared security camera 692 00:30:39,958 --> 00:30:43,208 alerts a slumbering Chip Byas-Ortega 693 00:30:43,208 --> 00:30:46,292 that something unusual is going on outside his house. 694 00:30:46,292 --> 00:30:49,125 - We have several motion-activated cameras 695 00:30:49,125 --> 00:30:51,125 set up around our home. 696 00:30:51,125 --> 00:30:53,583 This night, they started ringing 697 00:30:53,583 --> 00:30:56,125 at about 3:30 in the morning, 698 00:30:56,125 --> 00:30:59,208 and something told me, "Get up and look at this." 699 00:30:59,208 --> 00:31:02,083 - [Tony] Chip checks out the footage and finds this. 700 00:31:03,250 --> 00:31:06,792 At first glance, nothing seems out of the ordinary, 701 00:31:06,792 --> 00:31:08,375 but look again. 702 00:31:08,375 --> 00:31:11,625 On the right side of the video is a small ball of light. 703 00:31:11,625 --> 00:31:13,875 It hovers swirling back and forth. 704 00:31:13,875 --> 00:31:17,375 A smaller secondary orb appears above the main orb 705 00:31:17,375 --> 00:31:20,958 for a split second, and then disappears. 706 00:31:20,958 --> 00:31:24,500 - I am, first of all, blown away 707 00:31:24,500 --> 00:31:27,458 that I have right in front of you on this video, 708 00:31:27,458 --> 00:31:30,208 a dancing, huge orb. 709 00:31:30,208 --> 00:31:32,000 It's unexplainable to me. 710 00:31:33,250 --> 00:31:35,375 - [Tony] Chip believes this may have been an encounter 711 00:31:35,375 --> 00:31:37,958 with the ghost of a loved one who's died. 712 00:31:37,958 --> 00:31:40,125 - My Aunt Clara and I would always talk 713 00:31:40,125 --> 00:31:45,042 about after we pass, I want a sign, do something for me. 714 00:31:45,042 --> 00:31:47,875 Aunt Clara would say, "Oh, you'll know when I'm here." 715 00:31:48,750 --> 00:31:50,583 So, Aunt Clara, hey. 716 00:31:51,958 --> 00:31:54,375 - [Tony] Texas has its own mysterious history 717 00:31:54,375 --> 00:31:55,542 with glowing orbs. 718 00:31:55,542 --> 00:31:58,042 And as journalist Alexis Brooks tells us, 719 00:31:58,042 --> 00:32:02,333 these ethereal balls of light have a name, spirit orbs. 720 00:32:02,333 --> 00:32:05,500 - Spirit orbs are these balls of energy 721 00:32:05,500 --> 00:32:07,375 that are intelligent. 722 00:32:07,375 --> 00:32:08,667 In the 1900s, 723 00:32:08,667 --> 00:32:10,542 there was another case 724 00:32:10,542 --> 00:32:12,667 that plagued East Texas, 725 00:32:12,667 --> 00:32:14,875 known as the Light of Saratoga. 726 00:32:14,875 --> 00:32:17,750 Legend has it that this railman 727 00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:20,208 was in a very, very horrible accident, 728 00:32:20,208 --> 00:32:22,042 was actually decapitated. 729 00:32:22,042 --> 00:32:25,000 And it's believed that the ghost of this brakeman 730 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,375 is actually searching for his decapitated head, 731 00:32:27,375 --> 00:32:30,708 and it's his lantern that looks to be an orb 732 00:32:30,708 --> 00:32:32,792 sort of traveling down the tracks. 733 00:32:32,792 --> 00:32:34,625 [suspenseful music] 734 00:32:35,875 --> 00:32:37,375 - You may remember when we covered 735 00:32:37,375 --> 00:32:40,042 the Marfa Lights from West Texas, 736 00:32:40,042 --> 00:32:42,542 bright orbs that have mystified eyewitnesses. 737 00:32:42,542 --> 00:32:46,542 We weren't able to determine the cause for that light show. 738 00:32:46,542 --> 00:32:48,667 Could this more intimate spirit orb 739 00:32:48,667 --> 00:32:52,083 help explain what's lighting up the Lone Star State? 740 00:32:52,083 --> 00:32:54,417 It's time to conjure our experts. 741 00:32:54,417 --> 00:32:59,042 [suspenseful music] [letters clicking] 742 00:32:59,042 --> 00:33:01,667 We begin with forensic video analyst Michael Primeau 743 00:33:01,667 --> 00:33:03,208 to answer our first question, 744 00:33:03,208 --> 00:33:06,000 is this security camera footage even authentic? 745 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,917 - Through a structural analysis, 746 00:33:07,917 --> 00:33:09,833 we were able to identify the signature 747 00:33:09,833 --> 00:33:11,625 from the Blink camera app. 748 00:33:11,625 --> 00:33:13,833 Through a manual comparison of that structural data 749 00:33:13,833 --> 00:33:15,667 with other known Blink exhibits, 750 00:33:15,667 --> 00:33:19,250 no editing signatures, no third-party signatures, no CGI. 751 00:33:19,250 --> 00:33:22,167 So, yes, this video is real. 752 00:33:23,208 --> 00:33:24,708 - [Tony] If what we're seeing is real, 753 00:33:24,708 --> 00:33:27,917 could the glow of these orbs be from a nearby light source, 754 00:33:27,917 --> 00:33:29,708 like the passing cars? 755 00:33:29,708 --> 00:33:32,625 - When headlights appear, the orbs are still there. 756 00:33:32,625 --> 00:33:35,208 When the headlights disappear, the orbs are still there. 757 00:33:35,208 --> 00:33:37,333 They're also not in alignment with those headlights. 758 00:33:37,333 --> 00:33:41,042 So it doesn't appear to be headlights. 759 00:33:41,042 --> 00:33:42,875 - [Tony] Perhaps our lights aren't emitting 760 00:33:42,875 --> 00:33:44,583 from an artificial source. 761 00:33:44,583 --> 00:33:47,250 But what about a natural one, like fireflies? 762 00:33:47,250 --> 00:33:51,042 - Fireflies that you see in some areas of the country, 763 00:33:51,042 --> 00:33:53,417 flash, but they flash by flashing on and off. 764 00:33:53,417 --> 00:33:55,042 They don't really flash in the way 765 00:33:55,042 --> 00:33:57,583 that this appears to be flashing. 766 00:33:57,583 --> 00:33:59,458 - [Tony] How about a moth? 767 00:33:59,458 --> 00:34:01,958 - Typically you would see the wings moving if it was a moth. 768 00:34:01,958 --> 00:34:04,375 I don't see any wings flapping here. 769 00:34:04,375 --> 00:34:06,708 I think this is something we actually fairly often 770 00:34:06,708 --> 00:34:10,792 on security camera footage, which is a spiderweb. 771 00:34:10,792 --> 00:34:12,208 - [Tony] A thread of spiderweb 772 00:34:12,208 --> 00:34:15,083 can be just three thousandths of a millimeter across, 773 00:34:15,083 --> 00:34:17,958 that's thinner than a strand of human hair. 774 00:34:17,958 --> 00:34:19,333 That's why we don't see the web, 775 00:34:19,333 --> 00:34:21,958 just a byproduct left behind. 776 00:34:21,958 --> 00:34:24,250 - If there's a spot on the strand, 777 00:34:24,250 --> 00:34:27,542 which sometimes is a spot of the spider's glue, 778 00:34:27,542 --> 00:34:30,542 that will reflect the light from the infrared camera. 779 00:34:30,542 --> 00:34:33,458 - [Tony] Spider glue is a substance in the spider's glands 780 00:34:33,458 --> 00:34:35,667 that makes the lines of the web sticky 781 00:34:35,667 --> 00:34:38,167 by absorbing water from the atmosphere. 782 00:34:38,167 --> 00:34:41,542 West says this orb isn't yards away from the camera, 783 00:34:41,542 --> 00:34:42,667 merely inches. 784 00:34:42,667 --> 00:34:45,208 - Here's the camera, here's the spider silk, 785 00:34:45,208 --> 00:34:47,542 just like one or two inches in front of it. 786 00:34:47,542 --> 00:34:50,417 So it's just kind of drifting around, 787 00:34:50,417 --> 00:34:53,000 and it just gradually moves across the scene, 788 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,500 and then back again. 789 00:34:54,500 --> 00:34:57,000 - [Tony] And take a look at another security cam video. 790 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,500 Here we see a spider actually weaving a web, 791 00:34:59,500 --> 00:35:01,542 and leaving the same type of orbs behind. 792 00:35:02,458 --> 00:35:05,542 [suspenseful music] [letters clicking] 793 00:35:06,875 --> 00:35:09,125 Our verdict, spiderweb. 794 00:35:09,125 --> 00:35:11,625 Much as nature intended, 795 00:35:11,625 --> 00:35:13,042 this near-invisible silk 796 00:35:13,042 --> 00:35:15,708 has us caught in its phantom thread. 797 00:35:15,708 --> 00:35:18,167 But we certainly hope the spirit of Aunt Clara 798 00:35:18,167 --> 00:35:19,083 stays with Chip forever. 799 00:35:23,292 --> 00:35:25,042 But we certainly hope thbeginning of flight,ra- e 800 00:35:25,042 --> 00:35:26,958 we think of the Wright Brothers' success 801 00:35:26,958 --> 00:35:28,625 with their twin-propeller plane 802 00:35:28,625 --> 00:35:32,250 in Kitty Hawk, North Carolina, in 1903. 803 00:35:32,250 --> 00:35:33,667 But five years earlier, 804 00:35:33,667 --> 00:35:36,208 there was a discovery in North Africa 805 00:35:36,208 --> 00:35:38,958 that has experts asking if the first flying machine 806 00:35:38,958 --> 00:35:41,750 was invented thousands of years earlier. 807 00:35:43,208 --> 00:35:46,542 Saqqara, Egypt, 1898, in a vast burial site 808 00:35:47,375 --> 00:35:48,833 near the country's oldest step pyramid, 809 00:35:48,833 --> 00:35:52,750 archaeologists make a unique and confounding find. 810 00:35:52,750 --> 00:35:54,458 This 2,200-year-old carving 811 00:35:54,458 --> 00:35:56,417 that looks like a model airplane 812 00:35:56,417 --> 00:35:58,625 is known as the Saqqara Bird. 813 00:35:59,667 --> 00:36:02,208 - The Saqqara Bird is a small figurine 814 00:36:02,208 --> 00:36:05,292 that was excavated from the tomb of Pa-di-Imen. 815 00:36:05,292 --> 00:36:07,292 It's about 5 1/2 inches long 816 00:36:07,292 --> 00:36:10,292 with a wingspan almost over seven inches, 817 00:36:10,292 --> 00:36:12,542 weighs in at about 1 1/2 ounces, 818 00:36:12,542 --> 00:36:15,458 and it's made of sycamore and maple wood. 819 00:36:15,458 --> 00:36:18,250 - [Tony] Most experts think it's a model of a bird. 820 00:36:18,250 --> 00:36:21,042 And for years it was kept with other ancient bird art 821 00:36:21,042 --> 00:36:23,250 in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo. 822 00:36:23,250 --> 00:36:25,792 But when it was rediscovered in 1969 823 00:36:25,792 --> 00:36:30,083 by Egyptologist Khalil Messiha in a box of old exhibits, 824 00:36:30,083 --> 00:36:32,625 a new more radical theory emerged. 825 00:36:32,625 --> 00:36:36,083 - All the characteristics of this model are more intrinsic 826 00:36:36,083 --> 00:36:39,208 to a modern-day airplane than that of a bird. 827 00:36:39,208 --> 00:36:42,500 Its aerodynamic precision, and shape of the wing, 828 00:36:42,500 --> 00:36:45,083 and fuselage all seem to have similarities 829 00:36:45,083 --> 00:36:46,875 to modern engineering. 830 00:36:46,875 --> 00:36:48,042 - [Tony] Messiha also noted 831 00:36:48,042 --> 00:36:50,583 that typical ancient Egyptian bird models 832 00:36:50,583 --> 00:36:52,333 have their wings folded back, 833 00:36:52,333 --> 00:36:55,083 and also have legs and painted feathers, 834 00:36:55,083 --> 00:36:57,125 but the Saqqara Bird does not. 835 00:36:57,125 --> 00:36:58,375 This led him to believe 836 00:36:58,375 --> 00:37:00,750 that this was a scale model of a glider, 837 00:37:00,750 --> 00:37:04,292 albeit, one that was lacking a key component. 838 00:37:04,292 --> 00:37:07,000 - There seems to be a missing 90-degree tail 839 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,000 that has yet to be discovered. 840 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,750 And you can see that there's a notch 841 00:37:10,750 --> 00:37:13,000 that may have contained that at some point. 842 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,792 Some researchers looked at the rear end of this craft 843 00:37:15,792 --> 00:37:18,500 and said without that missing tail fin, 844 00:37:18,500 --> 00:37:20,125 this wouldn't have the aerodynamics 845 00:37:20,125 --> 00:37:21,833 to have capable flight. 846 00:37:21,833 --> 00:37:24,375 - [Tony] Yet, Messiha claimed the back of the glider 847 00:37:24,375 --> 00:37:27,708 could serve as a rudder to keep it going straight. 848 00:37:27,708 --> 00:37:29,958 Still, how could the people of Egypt 849 00:37:29,958 --> 00:37:31,875 have such advanced aeronautics 850 00:37:31,875 --> 00:37:35,375 more than two millennia before the first plane? 851 00:37:35,375 --> 00:37:39,542 Is it possible they learned it from extraterrestrials? 852 00:37:39,542 --> 00:37:42,042 Well, British astronomer Charles Piazzi Smyth 853 00:37:42,042 --> 00:37:45,292 believed the Egyptians used the Great Pyramid of Cheops 854 00:37:45,292 --> 00:37:47,375 as an astronomical observatory, 855 00:37:47,375 --> 00:37:48,750 and there's evidence they charted 856 00:37:48,750 --> 00:37:51,750 what they saw in the skies on their tombs. 857 00:37:51,750 --> 00:37:54,208 So did the ancient Egyptians gain more knowledge 858 00:37:54,208 --> 00:37:56,292 from their observations than we'll ever know? 859 00:37:56,292 --> 00:37:57,750 - This is one of the many reasons 860 00:37:57,750 --> 00:38:00,792 why the Saqqara Bird could be so controversial. 861 00:38:00,792 --> 00:38:02,458 [dramatic music] 862 00:38:03,292 --> 00:38:05,250 - The Egyptian Ministry of Culture 863 00:38:05,250 --> 00:38:07,042 created an entire committee 864 00:38:07,042 --> 00:38:09,750 to investigate Messiha's findings, 865 00:38:09,750 --> 00:38:12,708 and agreed the Saqqara Bird does display 866 00:38:12,708 --> 00:38:15,625 advanced principles of aircraft design. 867 00:38:15,625 --> 00:38:18,583 So is the Saqqara Bird proof 868 00:38:18,583 --> 00:38:21,542 of an ancient Egyptian technology lost to time 869 00:38:21,542 --> 00:38:24,583 like its advanced pyramid building skills? 870 00:38:24,583 --> 00:38:26,208 Let's see if our experts 871 00:38:26,208 --> 00:38:28,542 can shake a tail feather on this one. 872 00:38:28,542 --> 00:38:32,708 [suspenseful music] [letters clicking] 873 00:38:32,708 --> 00:38:36,167 So the big question here is can this thing really fly? 874 00:38:36,167 --> 00:38:38,375 Aerodynamics expert Simon Sanderson 875 00:38:38,375 --> 00:38:41,333 has long been fascinated by the Saqqara Bird. 876 00:38:41,333 --> 00:38:44,458 In 2006, he built a replica five times larger 877 00:38:44,458 --> 00:38:47,750 than the original carving to test its flight worthiness. 878 00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:49,458 - I just made it in a combination 879 00:38:49,458 --> 00:38:51,750 of balsa wood for the wings, 880 00:38:51,750 --> 00:38:54,542 and polystyrene for the fuselage and tail. 881 00:38:54,542 --> 00:38:55,875 The main thing we wanted to do 882 00:38:55,875 --> 00:38:58,458 was to measure the aerodynamic properties. 883 00:38:58,458 --> 00:38:59,750 So, we took them to the 884 00:38:59,750 --> 00:39:02,417 Manchester University Wind Tunnel. 885 00:39:02,417 --> 00:39:03,583 In the wind tunnel, 886 00:39:03,583 --> 00:39:05,917 it showed that it had perfectly okay 887 00:39:05,917 --> 00:39:07,458 aerodynamic characteristics, 888 00:39:07,458 --> 00:39:10,333 not optimum but usable. 889 00:39:10,333 --> 00:39:12,042 - [Tony] Sanderson continued his research 890 00:39:12,042 --> 00:39:13,417 at Liverpool University, 891 00:39:13,417 --> 00:39:15,708 where he programmed the bird's specifications 892 00:39:15,708 --> 00:39:19,000 into a flight simulator and added a tailplane. 893 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,917 The simulation showed the design could have achieved flight, 894 00:39:21,917 --> 00:39:24,792 but likely not for long given its glide angle, 895 00:39:24,792 --> 00:39:26,542 the angle at which the flight path 896 00:39:26,542 --> 00:39:28,125 intersects with the ground. 897 00:39:28,125 --> 00:39:29,500 - [Simon] The properties are such 898 00:39:29,500 --> 00:39:32,500 that the glide angle might not be very good. 899 00:39:32,500 --> 00:39:34,083 But I would say, if anything, 900 00:39:34,083 --> 00:39:37,833 it was something that was being used to explore flight. 901 00:39:37,833 --> 00:39:39,500 - [Tony] So we might see this object 902 00:39:39,500 --> 00:39:42,292 as a sort of paper airplane or cardboard glider, 903 00:39:42,292 --> 00:39:44,875 toys we all put together when we were children. 904 00:39:44,875 --> 00:39:47,292 And anthropologist Kathy Strain wonders, 905 00:39:47,292 --> 00:39:48,708 if that's all this is. 906 00:39:48,708 --> 00:39:52,167 - I would expect that if Egyptians understood 907 00:39:52,167 --> 00:39:54,000 how to create flight, 908 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,917 that we would see hieroglyphs that depicted them flying, 909 00:39:57,917 --> 00:40:01,042 and yet we don't have anything like that. 910 00:40:01,042 --> 00:40:03,875 This, to me, is just something 911 00:40:03,875 --> 00:40:08,125 that the person loved when they were a child, 912 00:40:08,125 --> 00:40:10,333 and they buried it with them 913 00:40:10,333 --> 00:40:12,375 for him to have it on the other side. 914 00:40:12,375 --> 00:40:14,125 It's just simply a toy. 915 00:40:14,125 --> 00:40:17,042 - [Tony] Archaeologist Dr. Ed Barnhart tends to agree. 916 00:40:17,042 --> 00:40:21,167 - It is absolutely clear that the Egyptians had a love 917 00:40:21,167 --> 00:40:26,042 for creating art depicting animals, 918 00:40:26,042 --> 00:40:29,292 especially birds of prey. 919 00:40:29,292 --> 00:40:33,000 Sometimes a bird is just a bird. 920 00:40:33,375 --> 00:40:36,917 [suspenseful music] [letters clicking] 921 00:40:38,042 --> 00:40:41,375 - Our verdict, this is likely a carved-bird toy 922 00:40:41,375 --> 00:40:42,958 or ritual object. 923 00:40:42,958 --> 00:40:45,375 Since it's unique, there's still a chance 924 00:40:45,375 --> 00:40:46,917 it was an aircraft model, 925 00:40:46,917 --> 00:40:49,417 but its poor aerodynamic characteristics 926 00:40:49,417 --> 00:40:50,875 mean a full-size version 927 00:40:50,875 --> 00:40:54,167 likely wouldn't have been able to glide for very long, 928 00:40:54,167 --> 00:40:56,208 especially without a tail. 929 00:40:56,208 --> 00:40:57,333 And that's our show for tonight. 930 00:40:57,333 --> 00:40:58,875 Thank you so much for watching! 931 00:40:58,875 --> 00:41:01,708 And, as always, keep those cameras rolling. 932 00:41:01,708 --> 00:41:05,083 [gentle dramatic music]