1 00:00:02,042 --> 00:00:03,542 - Tonight on "The Proof Is Out There," 2 00:00:03,542 --> 00:00:06,292 an Arizona UFO that somehow splits in two. 3 00:00:06,583 --> 00:00:09,458 Is it tied to one of the most famous UFO incidents 4 00:00:09,458 --> 00:00:10,750 of all time? 5 00:00:10,750 --> 00:00:12,833 - Several people believe that this was a coverup 6 00:00:12,833 --> 00:00:16,333 and something else was operating over Phoenix that night. 7 00:00:16,333 --> 00:00:19,708 - [Tony] Where did this girl get the power to scale walls? 8 00:00:19,708 --> 00:00:21,042 - It's incredible, 9 00:00:21,042 --> 00:00:23,292 and it doesn't seem like it should be possible. 10 00:00:23,292 --> 00:00:26,417 The internet actually nicknamed her Spider-Girl. 11 00:00:26,417 --> 00:00:28,292 - [Tony] Is this remote island home 12 00:00:28,292 --> 00:00:30,583 to a Bigfoot that can swim? 13 00:00:30,583 --> 00:00:34,833 - Sasquatches do not fear the water at all. 14 00:00:34,833 --> 00:00:36,583 - [Tony] And does this ancient pair 15 00:00:36,583 --> 00:00:39,625 of footprints prove a giant walked the earth? 16 00:00:39,625 --> 00:00:43,542 - For a person to make a 30-foot-long stride, 17 00:00:43,542 --> 00:00:47,958 they would have to stand at least 60 feet tall. 18 00:00:47,958 --> 00:00:52,292 [suspenseful music] [switch clicking] 19 00:00:52,292 --> 00:00:54,167 - [Tony] Around the globe are videos. 20 00:00:54,167 --> 00:00:55,875 - [Observer] What are those things? 21 00:00:55,875 --> 00:00:57,292 - [Bystander] It's moving. 22 00:00:57,292 --> 00:01:00,958 - [Tony] Photos and sounds that defy explanation. 23 00:01:00,958 --> 00:01:05,042 [air squeaking] [suspenseful music continues] 24 00:01:06,292 --> 00:01:08,375 - [Kirsten] We don't know where they come from, 25 00:01:08,375 --> 00:01:09,708 who made them, or how they operate. 26 00:01:09,708 --> 00:01:10,750 - [Tony] What are they? 27 00:01:10,750 --> 00:01:12,667 - [Commenter] Some sort of bizarre mutation. 28 00:01:12,667 --> 00:01:14,417 - [Expert] What's exciting is nobody really knows. 29 00:01:14,417 --> 00:01:17,917 - Extraordinary claims need extraordinary proof. 30 00:01:17,917 --> 00:01:19,583 [flame whooshing] [victim thumping] 31 00:01:19,583 --> 00:01:21,000 - I'm Tony Harris, 32 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,208 and as a journalist for more than 30 years, 33 00:01:23,208 --> 00:01:26,125 I've followed the facts where they take me. 34 00:01:26,125 --> 00:01:28,375 Now I'm bringing that spirit of investigation 35 00:01:28,375 --> 00:01:31,042 to the world's strangest sounds and images. 36 00:01:32,208 --> 00:01:34,042 We'll analyze each one with top experts. 37 00:01:34,042 --> 00:01:35,042 [vehicle crashing] 38 00:01:35,042 --> 00:01:36,375 - It's a credible case, 39 00:01:36,375 --> 00:01:38,167 it's a credible video. 40 00:01:38,167 --> 00:01:40,958 - [Tony] And pass a verdict on what it is. 41 00:01:40,958 --> 00:01:42,875 - This video was clearly faked. 42 00:01:42,875 --> 00:01:45,083 - The proof starts now. 43 00:01:45,625 --> 00:01:48,083 [suspenseful music] 44 00:01:52,667 --> 00:01:54,000 Good evening, everyone, 45 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:55,750 and welcome to "The Proof is Out There." 46 00:01:55,750 --> 00:01:58,333 Arizona is famous in UFO circles 47 00:01:58,333 --> 00:02:01,167 for the Phoenix Lights incident of 1997, 48 00:02:01,167 --> 00:02:03,417 but most people don't know that's only one 49 00:02:03,417 --> 00:02:05,375 of several similar incidents reported 50 00:02:05,375 --> 00:02:07,458 in the area over the years. 51 00:02:07,458 --> 00:02:10,500 Are they connected and are they legit? 52 00:02:10,500 --> 00:02:11,542 Check this out. 53 00:02:11,542 --> 00:02:15,208 It's October 12th, 2004 in Phoenix, Arizona. 54 00:02:15,208 --> 00:02:19,208 At around 7:45 PM, local resident Jeff Woolwine 55 00:02:19,208 --> 00:02:21,458 has set up a camera to film the night sky 56 00:02:21,458 --> 00:02:24,458 when he captures something out of this world. 57 00:02:25,667 --> 00:02:28,708 His video shows a bright white oblong-shaped light 58 00:02:28,708 --> 00:02:30,208 hovering in the sky. 59 00:02:30,208 --> 00:02:31,875 Eventually the light begins to blink 60 00:02:31,875 --> 00:02:35,625 and then remarkably it appears to slowly split apart, 61 00:02:35,625 --> 00:02:37,417 transforming from one single object 62 00:02:37,417 --> 00:02:39,792 into two separate entities. 63 00:02:39,792 --> 00:02:41,625 Shortly after they break apart, 64 00:02:41,625 --> 00:02:45,958 the two lights gradually disappear, one after the other. 65 00:02:45,958 --> 00:02:47,417 [tape rewinding] 66 00:02:47,417 --> 00:02:49,042 - It's amazing, you know, because you're out there, 67 00:02:49,042 --> 00:02:50,542 and you're watching, 68 00:02:50,542 --> 00:02:53,542 and these things just magically appear in the sky. 69 00:02:53,542 --> 00:02:56,000 There's no airplanes dropping these things out. 70 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,375 There's no explanation on why these things are here. 71 00:02:59,375 --> 00:03:00,917 - [Tony] Jeff says this is exactly 72 00:03:00,917 --> 00:03:03,250 what he's spent years looking for. 73 00:03:03,250 --> 00:03:05,250 - I've been seeing these Phoenix Lights 74 00:03:05,250 --> 00:03:07,625 ever since I was a kid, and you know, 75 00:03:07,625 --> 00:03:10,250 it really made me go on a quest to find out what 76 00:03:10,250 --> 00:03:13,417 is really going on here in our Phoenix skies. 77 00:03:13,417 --> 00:03:16,750 - [Tony] So since this is Phoenix, the big question is, 78 00:03:16,750 --> 00:03:18,250 is Jeff's footage related 79 00:03:18,250 --> 00:03:21,417 to the most well-known UFO sightings here ever? 80 00:03:21,417 --> 00:03:25,708 Journalist MJ Banias takes us back to March 13th, 1997, 81 00:03:25,708 --> 00:03:28,625 the night that would make the term Phoenix Lights 82 00:03:28,625 --> 00:03:30,042 famous worldwide. 83 00:03:30,042 --> 00:03:34,292 - Multiple people reported seeing very strange lights 84 00:03:34,292 --> 00:03:36,125 hovering over Phoenix, Arizona. 85 00:03:36,125 --> 00:03:38,958 They formed a large V-shaped object 86 00:03:38,958 --> 00:03:41,708 that hovered for several hours. 87 00:03:41,708 --> 00:03:44,875 Other reports circulated of individual lights moving 88 00:03:44,875 --> 00:03:46,292 around Phoenix as well. 89 00:03:46,292 --> 00:03:49,167 There's some photographs of lines of lights 90 00:03:49,167 --> 00:03:50,875 that kind of show up in the sky. 91 00:03:50,875 --> 00:03:52,250 - [Tony] At the time, 92 00:03:52,250 --> 00:03:55,083 some felt the V-shape formed one massive craft, 93 00:03:55,083 --> 00:03:59,292 estimated to be the size of more than 10 Boeing 747s. 94 00:03:59,292 --> 00:04:00,500 With so many witnesses, 95 00:04:00,500 --> 00:04:02,500 the government was forced to investigate. 96 00:04:02,500 --> 00:04:03,833 - It took several months, 97 00:04:03,833 --> 00:04:06,542 but eventually the US military confessed 98 00:04:06,542 --> 00:04:09,542 that they were actually running operations over Phoenix. 99 00:04:09,542 --> 00:04:11,625 The operation was known as Snowbird. 100 00:04:11,625 --> 00:04:14,583 A whole bunch of A-10 aircraft were in the sky, 101 00:04:14,583 --> 00:04:18,417 and they were testing out different models of flares. 102 00:04:18,417 --> 00:04:21,792 - [Tony] But was that the real story or a cover story? 103 00:04:21,792 --> 00:04:23,875 - Several people believed that this was a coverup 104 00:04:23,875 --> 00:04:26,125 and that the military was essentially trying 105 00:04:26,125 --> 00:04:28,083 to hide the fact that something else 106 00:04:28,083 --> 00:04:30,167 was operating over Phoenix that night. 107 00:04:30,167 --> 00:04:33,458 And Jeff believes that his video seems to show 108 00:04:33,458 --> 00:04:35,917 that perhaps there is some sort of resurgence 109 00:04:35,917 --> 00:04:37,958 of the Phoenix Lights. 110 00:04:37,958 --> 00:04:39,583 [screen whooshing] 111 00:04:39,583 --> 00:04:41,583 - It turns out Phoenix Lights 112 00:04:41,583 --> 00:04:43,625 is actually a bit of a misnomer. 113 00:04:43,625 --> 00:04:47,333 The first sightings in 1997 occurred earlier that night 114 00:04:47,333 --> 00:04:49,042 near Henderson, Nevada, 115 00:04:49,042 --> 00:04:51,333 nearly 300 miles from Phoenix. 116 00:04:51,333 --> 00:04:54,042 So two separate events could have been conflated 117 00:04:54,042 --> 00:04:55,750 into a single moment. 118 00:04:55,750 --> 00:04:58,417 Either way, the question still remains, 119 00:04:58,417 --> 00:05:02,667 is Jeff's footage proof that the Phoenix Lights are back? 120 00:05:02,667 --> 00:05:06,792 [suspenseful music] [letters clicking] 121 00:05:06,792 --> 00:05:09,708 Rich Hoffman of the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies 122 00:05:09,708 --> 00:05:12,417 begins by comparing Jeff's footage 123 00:05:12,417 --> 00:05:15,875 with the reports from that fateful night in March of 1997. 124 00:05:15,875 --> 00:05:19,083 - The Phoenix Lights were a triangular shape, 125 00:05:19,083 --> 00:05:21,792 not two lights in the sky like this. 126 00:05:21,792 --> 00:05:24,500 The residents were describing one structure 127 00:05:24,500 --> 00:05:27,208 that was having multiple lights and this is like one, 128 00:05:27,208 --> 00:05:28,708 so there's no comparison there. 129 00:05:28,708 --> 00:05:30,417 - [Tony] Yet, even if this isn't related 130 00:05:30,417 --> 00:05:31,750 to the Phoenix Lights, 131 00:05:31,750 --> 00:05:34,208 how does one explain the mind-boggling moment 132 00:05:34,208 --> 00:05:36,625 when Jeff's alleged UFO appears 133 00:05:36,625 --> 00:05:39,042 to divide into two separate objects, 134 00:05:39,042 --> 00:05:40,833 which then disappear? 135 00:05:40,833 --> 00:05:43,542 Astronomer and video effects designer Marc D'Antonio 136 00:05:43,542 --> 00:05:45,083 thinks he may know. 137 00:05:45,083 --> 00:05:49,000 - Earlier in the video, it looks like it's just one object 138 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:53,000 because they're probably behind each other, 139 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,708 but later on as the objects move apart from each other, 140 00:05:56,708 --> 00:05:58,333 it gets more and more elongated, 141 00:05:58,333 --> 00:06:01,583 and then you start to see two distinct and separate objects. 142 00:06:01,583 --> 00:06:04,958 So is this a splitting UFO 143 00:06:04,958 --> 00:06:08,208 or is it two objects behind each other? 144 00:06:08,208 --> 00:06:09,792 - [Tony] If it is two objects, 145 00:06:09,792 --> 00:06:13,917 are they decidedly less exotic than alien craft? 146 00:06:13,917 --> 00:06:15,000 - Are they balloons? 147 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:16,375 Are they drones? 148 00:06:16,375 --> 00:06:17,500 Are they aircraft? 149 00:06:17,500 --> 00:06:19,750 Well, this was 2004. 150 00:06:20,875 --> 00:06:23,458 It's not very likely that they were drones, 151 00:06:23,458 --> 00:06:26,167 unless it was some kind of military drone. 152 00:06:26,167 --> 00:06:29,042 - [Tony] The main type of unmanned military aircraft 153 00:06:29,042 --> 00:06:33,417 in use in 2004 was the remotely operated predator drone. 154 00:06:33,417 --> 00:06:36,208 It's the size and shape of a small airplane, 155 00:06:36,208 --> 00:06:39,708 which also doesn't explain how the lights on it could split 156 00:06:39,708 --> 00:06:41,625 like we see in this video. 157 00:06:41,625 --> 00:06:45,208 So does that mean we need to call this a UFO after all? 158 00:06:45,208 --> 00:06:47,667 D'Antonio has his doubts. 159 00:06:47,667 --> 00:06:51,875 - This was probably a launch of two sky lanterns. 160 00:06:51,875 --> 00:06:54,750 - [Tony] A sky lantern is a miniature hot air balloon 161 00:06:54,750 --> 00:06:57,417 made out of oiled paper and a wire frame 162 00:06:57,417 --> 00:06:59,500 with an opening at the bottom for a candle 163 00:06:59,500 --> 00:07:01,417 or other small source of fire. 164 00:07:01,417 --> 00:07:04,125 - [Marc] The giveaway is that they vanish. 165 00:07:04,125 --> 00:07:05,542 [graphics whooshing] 166 00:07:05,542 --> 00:07:08,542 That's because the flame packets are fuel 167 00:07:08,542 --> 00:07:11,958 and that fuel gets exhausted after a little while, 168 00:07:11,958 --> 00:07:15,417 and when it gets exhausted, the flame goes out. 169 00:07:15,417 --> 00:07:17,542 And that's just what we see here. 170 00:07:17,542 --> 00:07:21,000 [suspenseful music] [letters clicking] 171 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:22,500 - Our verdict? 172 00:07:22,500 --> 00:07:26,042 This splitting object or objects remain unidentified. 173 00:07:26,042 --> 00:07:29,000 D'Antonio's sky lantern idea is intriguing, 174 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,208 but how could they fly so close together 175 00:07:31,208 --> 00:07:33,292 that they appear as one? 176 00:07:33,292 --> 00:07:34,750 The original Phoenix Lights 177 00:07:34,750 --> 00:07:38,333 and similar incidents in the Phoenix area in the 2000s 178 00:07:38,333 --> 00:07:40,208 have been attributed to flares set off 179 00:07:40,208 --> 00:07:42,417 by the military and others, 180 00:07:42,417 --> 00:07:44,917 yet there are still those who are skeptical 181 00:07:44,917 --> 00:07:47,917 of these down-to- earth explanations. 182 00:07:47,917 --> 00:07:49,250 [graphics whooshing] 183 00:07:49,250 --> 00:07:50,708 Since this show began, 184 00:07:50,708 --> 00:07:53,167 we've been interested in a legendary beast said 185 00:07:53,167 --> 00:07:56,625 to lurk in the depths of Canada's Okanagan Lake. 186 00:07:56,625 --> 00:07:58,250 We have promised to stay on the story 187 00:07:58,250 --> 00:08:01,208 whenever there's a new sighting caught on camera. 188 00:08:01,208 --> 00:08:03,042 Well, it's happened again. 189 00:08:04,250 --> 00:08:07,792 October 2020, Frind Estate Winery 190 00:08:07,792 --> 00:08:10,583 on Okanagan Lake, British Columbia. 191 00:08:10,583 --> 00:08:12,792 It's a really calm day on the lake. 192 00:08:12,792 --> 00:08:15,833 Adam Schwartz and his family step onto a pier 193 00:08:15,833 --> 00:08:20,833 for a scenic view of the water when Adam spots this, 194 00:08:20,833 --> 00:08:24,500 an odd formation of waves undulating against the current. 195 00:08:24,500 --> 00:08:26,125 Let's take a closer look. 196 00:08:26,125 --> 00:08:30,292 You see what looked like humps here, here and here. 197 00:08:30,292 --> 00:08:33,208 Schwartz thinks this may be the legendary monster. 198 00:08:33,208 --> 00:08:35,583 - Well, there's no boats out here and, of course, 199 00:08:35,583 --> 00:08:37,417 Kelowna and Lake Okanagan 200 00:08:37,417 --> 00:08:39,500 is known for its sea monster, 201 00:08:39,500 --> 00:08:40,833 the Ogopogo. 202 00:08:41,625 --> 00:08:42,958 And everyone who's seen it on the news 203 00:08:42,958 --> 00:08:45,375 or friends and family that we've shown it to, 204 00:08:45,375 --> 00:08:47,625 think, oh, that looks very convincing, 205 00:08:47,625 --> 00:08:48,958 like something's out there. 206 00:08:48,958 --> 00:08:51,125 [eerie music] 207 00:08:51,125 --> 00:08:52,708 - This is Lake Okanagan. 208 00:08:52,708 --> 00:08:55,750 It has a long history and tradition 209 00:08:55,750 --> 00:08:59,458 of lake monster sightings that go back centuries. 210 00:08:59,458 --> 00:09:00,792 The local natives talked 211 00:09:00,792 --> 00:09:04,042 about something called the N'ha-a-itk, 212 00:09:04,042 --> 00:09:06,500 which was a great serpentine animal that lived in the lake. 213 00:09:06,500 --> 00:09:07,958 - [Tony] These indigenous people 214 00:09:07,958 --> 00:09:11,042 would even leave sacrificed animals in the water, 215 00:09:11,042 --> 00:09:14,042 believing that allowed them safe passage from the monster. 216 00:09:14,875 --> 00:09:16,708 According to Ken Gerhard, 217 00:09:16,708 --> 00:09:20,500 the Ogopogo has more compelling photographic evidence 218 00:09:20,500 --> 00:09:23,333 than any lake monster around the world. 219 00:09:23,333 --> 00:09:24,875 - In fact, about a month earlier, 220 00:09:24,875 --> 00:09:28,458 a couple sailing out on Lake Okanagan saw the head 221 00:09:28,458 --> 00:09:30,333 of some type of strange animal 222 00:09:30,333 --> 00:09:32,458 that almost looks like a dragon. 223 00:09:32,458 --> 00:09:33,667 [camera clicking] - [Tony] In this photo, 224 00:09:33,667 --> 00:09:35,792 you can see the creature's brownish tone 225 00:09:35,792 --> 00:09:38,417 and what appear to be two horns jutting 226 00:09:38,417 --> 00:09:40,042 from the sides of its head. 227 00:09:40,042 --> 00:09:44,042 - Many of the descriptions of the Ogopogo include something 228 00:09:44,042 --> 00:09:47,125 that has horns and will describe the head 229 00:09:47,125 --> 00:09:51,208 as having a horse-like or sheep-like shape to it. 230 00:09:51,208 --> 00:09:53,792 - [Tony] The majority of these Ogopogo sightings 231 00:09:53,792 --> 00:09:56,542 are clustered in the months of September and October, 232 00:09:56,542 --> 00:09:57,958 like this one. 233 00:09:57,958 --> 00:10:00,417 Gerhard believes there's a good reason for that. 234 00:10:00,417 --> 00:10:01,792 - It's important because those 235 00:10:01,792 --> 00:10:05,542 are the peak salmon fishing months at the lake. 236 00:10:05,542 --> 00:10:08,542 The salmon runs in British Columbia come in, 237 00:10:08,542 --> 00:10:10,833 starting in June and July and August, 238 00:10:10,833 --> 00:10:13,417 and then the salmon begin to spawn in the lake 239 00:10:13,417 --> 00:10:15,208 in September and October. 240 00:10:15,208 --> 00:10:19,375 So if this creature is feeding on salmon, 241 00:10:19,375 --> 00:10:21,750 then it would make sense that there are more sightings 242 00:10:21,750 --> 00:10:24,000 of the Ogopogo during those months. 243 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,417 [suspenseful music] [graphics whposhing] 244 00:10:26,417 --> 00:10:29,333 - Fans of the show may recall that our experts were unable 245 00:10:29,333 --> 00:10:34,333 to explain this alleged Ogopogo video from 2019. 246 00:10:34,333 --> 00:10:37,583 Will they be able to solve this mysterious sighting? 247 00:10:37,583 --> 00:10:41,042 [suspenseful music] [letters clicking] 248 00:10:41,042 --> 00:10:43,917 Marine biologist Dr. Shea Steingass dives 249 00:10:43,917 --> 00:10:45,750 into one of the prevailing theories 250 00:10:45,750 --> 00:10:47,417 that this is just the result 251 00:10:47,417 --> 00:10:49,375 of something called the thermocline. 252 00:10:49,375 --> 00:10:50,833 - When different densities 253 00:10:50,833 --> 00:10:54,250 and temperatures of water collide in a lake, 254 00:10:54,250 --> 00:10:57,542 you can get these really large-scale disturbances 255 00:10:57,542 --> 00:11:00,167 that appear to propagate through the water 256 00:11:00,167 --> 00:11:03,625 and maybe look a bit like a sea serpent. 257 00:11:05,125 --> 00:11:09,292 But this is a pretty calm day and being in a lake like this, 258 00:11:09,292 --> 00:11:13,500 you would be less likely to have such a dynamic thermal wave 259 00:11:13,500 --> 00:11:15,958 interrupting the water like we see here. 260 00:11:15,958 --> 00:11:19,458 - [Tony] So could it be the legendary Ogopogo we're seeing? 261 00:11:19,458 --> 00:11:21,167 Steingass is doubtful 262 00:11:21,167 --> 00:11:23,750 due to the frigid temperature of the lake. 263 00:11:23,750 --> 00:11:28,583 - Ogopogo is said to be 15 feet long or longer. 264 00:11:28,583 --> 00:11:30,333 An animal like this would not be able 265 00:11:30,333 --> 00:11:33,500 to the thermoregulate in Lake Okanagan. 266 00:11:33,500 --> 00:11:37,208 When you look at aquatic animals and cold environments, 267 00:11:37,208 --> 00:11:41,042 you often see what is known as a fusiform body shape, 268 00:11:41,042 --> 00:11:43,917 essentially the body that's shaped like a football. 269 00:11:43,917 --> 00:11:46,750 They have less surface area to warm up 270 00:11:46,750 --> 00:11:48,292 and to thermoregulate. 271 00:11:48,292 --> 00:11:50,542 A long, sinuous sea monster 272 00:11:50,542 --> 00:11:53,000 would simply have too much surface area 273 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:54,958 that it would have to constantly heat. 274 00:11:54,958 --> 00:11:56,958 It would simply be too cold. 275 00:11:58,042 --> 00:11:59,333 - [Tony] And as for that horned creature 276 00:11:59,333 --> 00:12:01,208 that was photographed a month earlier, 277 00:12:01,208 --> 00:12:03,917 many have pointed out that if you look closely, 278 00:12:03,917 --> 00:12:05,708 you can see what appears to be the head 279 00:12:05,708 --> 00:12:08,125 and bill of an upside down duck. 280 00:12:08,125 --> 00:12:12,042 And these horns are most likely just a pair of webbed feet. 281 00:12:12,042 --> 00:12:16,875 So if the Ogopogo is a myth, then just what is this thing? 282 00:12:16,875 --> 00:12:19,917 We turn to wildlife biologist Dr. Stephanie Manka. 283 00:12:19,917 --> 00:12:21,375 - What I believe is happening 284 00:12:21,375 --> 00:12:24,458 is that wind is hitting this part of the lake 285 00:12:24,458 --> 00:12:29,250 and creating a wave effect and the wave is casting a shadow. 286 00:12:29,250 --> 00:12:32,750 If there was an animal swimming and it came to the surface, 287 00:12:32,750 --> 00:12:35,708 you would expect circles rippling. 288 00:12:35,708 --> 00:12:38,208 We don't see anything like that. 289 00:12:38,208 --> 00:12:41,208 So people think that they're seeing an animal in the water, 290 00:12:41,208 --> 00:12:43,917 but really it's the shadow of a wave. 291 00:12:43,917 --> 00:12:46,333 [suspenseful music] [letters clicking] 292 00:12:48,333 --> 00:12:49,875 - Our verdict? 293 00:12:49,875 --> 00:12:53,042 We are calling this a visual effect created by wind. 294 00:12:53,042 --> 00:12:56,708 So we did not find Ogopogo this time, 295 00:12:56,708 --> 00:12:58,792 but there have been enough alleged sightings 296 00:12:58,792 --> 00:12:59,792 to keep us on the hunt. 297 00:13:03,792 --> 00:13:06,208 - Any superhero fan knows that once Peter Parker 298 00:13:06,208 --> 00:13:09,375 was bitten by a radioactive spider, he became Spider-Man, 299 00:13:09,375 --> 00:13:11,708 able to climb walls and catch thieves. 300 00:13:11,708 --> 00:13:14,083 But that's all comic book stuff, right? 301 00:13:14,083 --> 00:13:15,667 Certainly no one in the real world 302 00:13:15,667 --> 00:13:17,875 could possess those abilities. 303 00:13:17,875 --> 00:13:20,833 Well, this next video might change your mind. 304 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,917 It's July 9th, 2023 in Pingtan, China, 305 00:13:25,917 --> 00:13:28,167 known as the County of Islands. 306 00:13:28,167 --> 00:13:30,625 A mother and her children are at home watching something 307 00:13:30,625 --> 00:13:32,208 on television when something 308 00:13:32,208 --> 00:13:35,000 in their own living room steals the show. 309 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,042 The family's home surveillance camera is rolling 310 00:13:37,042 --> 00:13:39,708 as one of the kids climbs onto the back of the sectional 311 00:13:39,708 --> 00:13:41,875 and then makes her way up the wall, 312 00:13:41,875 --> 00:13:45,167 perching herself in the upper corner of the room. 313 00:13:46,333 --> 00:13:48,875 Another video, this one taken on a phone camera, 314 00:13:48,875 --> 00:13:51,167 shows a closer angle of the eight year old 315 00:13:51,167 --> 00:13:53,542 demonstrating her wall climbing talent. 316 00:13:53,542 --> 00:13:55,125 - It's incredible, 317 00:13:55,125 --> 00:13:57,875 and it doesn't seem like it should be possible. 318 00:13:57,875 --> 00:14:00,875 The girl's mother uploaded the video 319 00:14:00,875 --> 00:14:04,167 and the internet actually nicknamed her Spider-Girl 320 00:14:04,167 --> 00:14:06,875 because what we're seeing here is very similar 321 00:14:06,875 --> 00:14:09,125 to the abilities that Spider-Man has. 322 00:14:09,125 --> 00:14:10,542 - [Tony] Some have even compared the video 323 00:14:10,542 --> 00:14:14,208 to another alleged wall climber we've shown you before. 324 00:14:14,208 --> 00:14:17,375 - That video shows a woman climbing a wall 325 00:14:17,375 --> 00:14:20,542 and she's actually holding another woman by her hair 326 00:14:20,542 --> 00:14:21,917 as she climbs. 327 00:14:21,917 --> 00:14:24,042 And when the woman reaches the top of the wall, 328 00:14:24,042 --> 00:14:26,458 she lets the other woman go. [victim screaming] 329 00:14:26,458 --> 00:14:27,708 Our experts determined 330 00:14:27,708 --> 00:14:30,500 that that video was a fake, thankfully. 331 00:14:31,917 --> 00:14:34,750 This video, though, appears pretty authentic, 332 00:14:34,750 --> 00:14:37,833 so maybe it is the real deal. 333 00:14:37,833 --> 00:14:38,875 [graphics whooshing] 334 00:14:38,875 --> 00:14:40,333 - If this girl keeps going, 335 00:14:40,333 --> 00:14:43,750 she may one day scale the heights of Alain Robert, 336 00:14:43,750 --> 00:14:46,000 also known as the Human Spider. 337 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:49,708 In 2015, Robert broke the world record 338 00:14:49,708 --> 00:14:51,167 for most buildings climbed 339 00:14:51,167 --> 00:14:56,000 after he scaled his 121st skyscraper. 340 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,500 So is this footage a fraud 341 00:14:58,500 --> 00:15:02,125 or do this girl's wall climbing talents stick? 342 00:15:02,125 --> 00:15:04,375 Let's find out what our experts think. 343 00:15:04,375 --> 00:15:08,667 [suspenseful music] [letters clicking] 344 00:15:08,667 --> 00:15:11,042 First, is the video for real? 345 00:15:11,042 --> 00:15:14,250 - As you watch, you can see the subject's reflection, 346 00:15:14,250 --> 00:15:17,125 the way that the feet are positioned, the hand motions, 347 00:15:17,125 --> 00:15:19,792 and even the hair all appear 348 00:15:19,792 --> 00:15:22,083 to be consistent with one another, 349 00:15:22,083 --> 00:15:24,792 so the video appears to be genuine. 350 00:15:24,792 --> 00:15:26,375 - [Tony] Then, does this girl really 351 00:15:26,375 --> 00:15:28,542 have spider-like climbing abilities? 352 00:15:28,542 --> 00:15:31,917 To answer that, we need to know how spiders really climb. 353 00:15:31,917 --> 00:15:34,208 - First of all, spiders are really light 354 00:15:34,208 --> 00:15:36,042 so that works towards their advantage 355 00:15:36,042 --> 00:15:39,542 because gravity is not acting upon them as much. 356 00:15:39,542 --> 00:15:42,708 Also, they have small hairs on their feet 357 00:15:42,708 --> 00:15:45,792 and those hairs have smaller hairs called setules, 358 00:15:45,792 --> 00:15:48,208 and they form triangular tips. 359 00:15:48,208 --> 00:15:50,875 And what happens is there's temporary forces 360 00:15:50,875 --> 00:15:52,375 that form between the spider feet 361 00:15:52,375 --> 00:15:55,500 and the walls called Van der Waals forces. 362 00:15:55,500 --> 00:15:57,375 - [Tony] Named for the Dutch physicist, 363 00:15:57,375 --> 00:16:01,250 Johannes Diderik van der Waals, who first proposed the idea, 364 00:16:01,250 --> 00:16:04,208 a Van der Waals force is an electrostatic attraction 365 00:16:04,208 --> 00:16:07,375 that occurs between molecules in extremely close proximity, 366 00:16:07,375 --> 00:16:09,750 like a 25 millionth of an inch. 367 00:16:09,750 --> 00:16:12,042 This is due to the positive and negative charges 368 00:16:12,042 --> 00:16:14,000 within molecules attracting each other 369 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:15,708 like opposing magnets. 370 00:16:15,708 --> 00:16:20,292 - These small hairs enable spiders to grip to surfaces 371 00:16:20,292 --> 00:16:25,042 with a force 107 times greater than their weight. 372 00:16:25,042 --> 00:16:26,958 - [Tony] But this girl clearly lacks a number 373 00:16:26,958 --> 00:16:28,542 of these arachnid features. 374 00:16:28,542 --> 00:16:32,042 - She doesn't have the tiny spider hairs 375 00:16:32,042 --> 00:16:34,208 and her skin looks pretty smooth. 376 00:16:34,208 --> 00:16:37,583 She's also not obviously as light as a spider, 377 00:16:37,583 --> 00:16:40,042 - [Tony] So is there some other way she's defying 378 00:16:40,042 --> 00:16:42,375 the relentless force of gravity here on earth? 379 00:16:42,375 --> 00:16:45,042 Physicist Dr. Michio Kaku explains what he thinks 380 00:16:45,042 --> 00:16:46,542 is actually going on, 381 00:16:46,542 --> 00:16:48,917 and it has something to do with the location 382 00:16:48,917 --> 00:16:50,208 where this was filmed, 383 00:16:50,208 --> 00:16:52,625 on an island right off the mainland. 384 00:16:52,625 --> 00:16:55,167 - Notice that A, she's small, 385 00:16:55,167 --> 00:16:59,042 B, the amount of muscle mass per kilogram 386 00:16:59,042 --> 00:17:03,417 is higher for small objects than for big objects. 387 00:17:03,417 --> 00:17:05,208 The fact that they're near the ocean 388 00:17:05,208 --> 00:17:08,000 and the air is humid helps to a degree. 389 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,042 If there's too much water vapor in the air, 390 00:17:11,042 --> 00:17:13,167 then you slip and fall down. 391 00:17:13,167 --> 00:17:17,292 If there's only a little bit, then you stick. 392 00:17:17,292 --> 00:17:19,750 - [Tony] That's because the small amount of water sandwiched 393 00:17:19,750 --> 00:17:23,708 between the girl's skin and the wall acts as a binding glue, 394 00:17:23,708 --> 00:17:27,000 increasing the friction and causing the skin to stick. 395 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,125 - So the fact that she's small, 396 00:17:29,125 --> 00:17:32,083 she's skinny and she sweats a little bit, 397 00:17:32,083 --> 00:17:34,125 allows her to perform these feats 398 00:17:34,125 --> 00:17:37,625 that a large person could never perform. 399 00:17:37,625 --> 00:17:39,667 - [Tony] So while she may not be Spider-Girl, 400 00:17:39,667 --> 00:17:42,042 her technique does bear some resemblance 401 00:17:42,042 --> 00:17:44,542 to the arachnids, in principle. 402 00:17:44,542 --> 00:17:47,500 - It's somewhat similar to what spiders do in 403 00:17:47,500 --> 00:17:51,083 that her skin is resisting the wall 404 00:17:51,083 --> 00:17:53,292 and becoming kinda like sticky to it, 405 00:17:53,292 --> 00:17:55,708 but she has another wall to support her, 406 00:17:55,708 --> 00:17:57,250 where spiders are just working 407 00:17:57,250 --> 00:18:00,625 with the bottoms of their legs and the one wall surface. 408 00:18:00,625 --> 00:18:05,708 [suspenseful music] [letters clicking] 409 00:18:06,542 --> 00:18:07,833 - Our verdict? 410 00:18:07,833 --> 00:18:10,708 This is the result of the muscle mass on the girl 411 00:18:10,708 --> 00:18:12,667 and the moisture in the air. 412 00:18:12,667 --> 00:18:14,125 We don't have to test out 413 00:18:14,125 --> 00:18:15,875 this girl's web spinning abilities 414 00:18:15,875 --> 00:18:18,208 to know she's not exactly Spider-Girl, 415 00:18:18,208 --> 00:18:19,875 but that doesn't make her talent 416 00:18:19,875 --> 00:18:22,125 for wall climbing any less impressive. 417 00:18:25,917 --> 00:18:29,125 - Syria is one of the oldest continuously inhabited regions 418 00:18:29,125 --> 00:18:30,167 of the world, 419 00:18:30,458 --> 00:18:32,375 but a mid-20th century archaeological excavation 420 00:18:32,375 --> 00:18:36,500 has left some wondering if a giant human once lived there 421 00:18:36,500 --> 00:18:40,208 who would've towered over most dinosaurs. 422 00:18:40,208 --> 00:18:43,958 It's 1955 in the village of Ain Dara, Syria 423 00:18:43,958 --> 00:18:46,292 on the east bank of the Afrin River. 424 00:18:46,292 --> 00:18:48,000 An archaeologist has discovered 425 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,417 a 3,000-year-old Hittite temple 426 00:18:50,417 --> 00:18:55,375 with stone sculptures of lions, sphinxes and mountain gods, 427 00:18:56,417 --> 00:18:58,417 but among the usual carvings and sculptures 428 00:18:58,417 --> 00:19:02,375 lie enormous imprints of mysterious origin, 429 00:19:02,375 --> 00:19:05,875 two three-foot long human-like footprints emerge out 430 00:19:05,875 --> 00:19:07,875 of the stone floor at the portico 431 00:19:07,875 --> 00:19:09,708 where the temple once stood. 432 00:19:09,708 --> 00:19:13,750 Another left footprint lies a few feet in front of the pair, 433 00:19:13,750 --> 00:19:15,333 and a final right footprint 434 00:19:15,333 --> 00:19:18,583 is embedded at the threshold of the main hall, 435 00:19:18,583 --> 00:19:20,125 some 30 feet away. 436 00:19:20,125 --> 00:19:22,333 - We don't see the right footprint 437 00:19:22,333 --> 00:19:25,083 until the other side of this enclosure. 438 00:19:25,083 --> 00:19:27,375 For someone to make a 30-foot stride, 439 00:19:27,375 --> 00:19:30,750 that person would have to be at least 65 feet tall. 440 00:19:30,750 --> 00:19:34,083 We have to wonder if these aren't some type of ancient gods 441 00:19:34,083 --> 00:19:36,583 or giants that walked upon the earth. 442 00:19:36,583 --> 00:19:38,708 - [Tony] Now, the Hittites were an ancient people 443 00:19:38,708 --> 00:19:41,375 who first occupied what is now western Turkey. 444 00:19:41,375 --> 00:19:43,875 They began expanding into northern Syria 445 00:19:43,875 --> 00:19:45,667 and by 1340 BC, 446 00:19:45,667 --> 00:19:48,917 became one of the most dominant powers in the Middle East. 447 00:19:48,917 --> 00:19:50,583 And coincidentally, 448 00:19:50,583 --> 00:19:54,292 godly giants were depicted in the Hittite empire. 449 00:19:54,292 --> 00:19:55,792 - One of the biblical tales 450 00:19:55,792 --> 00:19:58,875 is that fallen angels actually came down 451 00:19:58,875 --> 00:20:01,542 and mated with human females, 452 00:20:01,542 --> 00:20:05,250 and the offspring of this were known as the Nephilim, 453 00:20:05,250 --> 00:20:09,750 half god, half man, very violent, large giants. 454 00:20:09,750 --> 00:20:13,208 Is it possible that Ain Dara is one of the actual locations 455 00:20:13,208 --> 00:20:15,917 where the Nephilim may have resided? 456 00:20:17,167 --> 00:20:19,417 - [Tony] And Martell says that Ain Dara 457 00:20:19,417 --> 00:20:22,333 isn't the only place where ancient gods 458 00:20:22,333 --> 00:20:25,792 and their giant offspring once reportedly roamed. 459 00:20:25,792 --> 00:20:27,167 - In Baalbek in Lebanon, 460 00:20:27,167 --> 00:20:31,792 there are huge trilithon stones stacked to make a platform. 461 00:20:31,792 --> 00:20:35,667 Across the globe in Mexico, we have in Teotihuacan, 462 00:20:35,667 --> 00:20:39,542 large step pyramids that look as though they were built just 463 00:20:39,542 --> 00:20:42,542 for the gods to walk down these large steps. 464 00:20:42,542 --> 00:20:44,500 Many of these locations all seem 465 00:20:44,500 --> 00:20:47,708 to have similar properties which speak to the idea 466 00:20:47,708 --> 00:20:50,750 that at one point giants did walk upon the earth. 467 00:20:52,125 --> 00:20:53,833 [graphics whooshing] 468 00:20:54,542 --> 00:20:59,583 - In 1577, a large skeleton found near Lucerne, Switzerland 469 00:21:00,375 --> 00:21:02,708 was interpreted as the bones of an ancient giant. 470 00:21:02,708 --> 00:21:05,208 The skeleton measured about 19 feet tall, 471 00:21:05,208 --> 00:21:07,375 but was later determined to belong to a mammoth 472 00:21:07,375 --> 00:21:10,542 or some similar form of ancient elephant. 473 00:21:10,542 --> 00:21:14,417 Yet these prints in Ain Dara can't be mistaken 474 00:21:14,417 --> 00:21:16,000 for those of an elephant. 475 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:17,667 So let's ask our experts 476 00:21:17,667 --> 00:21:21,875 to put their stamp on these enigmatic indentations. 477 00:21:21,875 --> 00:21:24,917 [suspenseful music] [letters clicking] 478 00:21:26,417 --> 00:21:28,958 Anthropologist Kathy Strain says there is evidence that 479 00:21:28,958 --> 00:21:33,208 giants once roamed the earth, but were they giant enough? 480 00:21:33,208 --> 00:21:36,417 - In 1998, Emory University did a study 481 00:21:36,417 --> 00:21:39,667 where they found this gene called the X lineage 482 00:21:39,667 --> 00:21:44,375 and some believe that it leads to taller people. 483 00:21:44,375 --> 00:21:48,083 In the 1800s, the Smithsonian was doing excavations 484 00:21:48,083 --> 00:21:50,500 when they found some skeletons 485 00:21:50,500 --> 00:21:54,875 that were roughly seven foot, six inches tall. 486 00:21:54,875 --> 00:21:57,958 We know that there are other people in the eight foot range, 487 00:21:57,958 --> 00:21:59,750 and so it's possible 488 00:21:59,750 --> 00:22:04,583 that this X lineage does lead to taller people. 489 00:22:04,583 --> 00:22:07,708 However, it's still not going to get you in the range 490 00:22:07,708 --> 00:22:10,250 of 65 feet tall. 491 00:22:10,250 --> 00:22:12,417 - [Tony] Archaeologist Dr. Ed Barnhart says 492 00:22:12,417 --> 00:22:15,042 there's also something about these imprints 493 00:22:15,042 --> 00:22:16,542 that just doesn't add up. 494 00:22:16,542 --> 00:22:19,375 - There are really only four footprints. 495 00:22:19,375 --> 00:22:23,000 If indeed this was made by some giant being, 496 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,000 we could track those footprints out much farther 497 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:30,708 across the stone than simply the last four steps. 498 00:22:30,708 --> 00:22:34,208 And if it was actually a 65-foot-tall person 499 00:22:34,208 --> 00:22:35,917 in a Hittite world, 500 00:22:35,917 --> 00:22:39,917 there would be a giant temple with a giant tomb, 501 00:22:39,917 --> 00:22:41,708 with a giant body. 502 00:22:41,708 --> 00:22:45,292 I'm an archaeologist, show me the artifacts. 503 00:22:45,292 --> 00:22:48,333 - [Tony] So were these footprints forged? 504 00:22:48,333 --> 00:22:51,667 - To me these represents carved footprints. 505 00:22:51,667 --> 00:22:55,333 They were meant to have the sense that the god 506 00:22:55,333 --> 00:22:59,583 or the goddess is walking in, standing in their own temple, 507 00:22:59,583 --> 00:23:03,417 and then walking to where they would sit to be worshiped. 508 00:23:03,417 --> 00:23:05,292 - They are symbols 509 00:23:05,292 --> 00:23:08,833 that a giant person had walked into this temple 510 00:23:08,833 --> 00:23:12,500 to pray there or perhaps to be prayed to. 511 00:23:12,500 --> 00:23:16,042 An archaeological site usually is hiding secrets. 512 00:23:16,042 --> 00:23:18,417 Maybe there was something that would illuminate 513 00:23:18,417 --> 00:23:21,750 what these footprints meant to the Hittite people, 514 00:23:22,708 --> 00:23:25,875 but unfortunately in 2018, 515 00:23:25,875 --> 00:23:28,875 the Turkish Air Force bombed the site. 516 00:23:28,875 --> 00:23:30,000 [bomb exploding] 517 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,583 - [Tony] The temple was sadly a casualty 518 00:23:31,583 --> 00:23:34,042 in a Turkish offensive against Kurdish forces 519 00:23:34,042 --> 00:23:37,000 in northwestern Syria during the Civil War. 520 00:23:38,542 --> 00:23:41,875 - And so, a lot of the site was ruined in that bombing 521 00:23:41,875 --> 00:23:44,500 and we can't recover what's now lost. 522 00:23:45,500 --> 00:23:48,000 [suspenseful music] [letters clicking] 523 00:23:49,542 --> 00:23:50,458 - Our verdict? 524 00:23:50,458 --> 00:23:51,875 These footprints 525 00:23:51,875 --> 00:23:54,792 are likely manmade symbolic representations. 526 00:23:54,792 --> 00:23:57,583 Tragically, the remaining secrets of this site 527 00:23:57,583 --> 00:23:58,792 are now lost to history. 528 00:24:02,917 --> 00:24:05,208 - Is Bigfoot stalking the wilderness of Canada? 529 00:24:05,208 --> 00:24:06,792 If that feels like a no brainer, 530 00:24:06,792 --> 00:24:08,625 let me give you another one. 531 00:24:08,625 --> 00:24:12,708 Is Bigfoot swimming in the waters of Canada? 532 00:24:12,708 --> 00:24:15,583 That question might just be answered in our next video, 533 00:24:15,583 --> 00:24:18,500 but the footage is still a mystery in itself. 534 00:24:19,708 --> 00:24:22,500 While the true origins of this video remain unknown, 535 00:24:22,500 --> 00:24:24,625 internet rumors suggest this footage 536 00:24:24,625 --> 00:24:29,167 was filmed in Ontario, Canada, sometime in 2022. 537 00:24:29,167 --> 00:24:32,667 Two boaters are recording their voyage when their camera pans 538 00:24:32,667 --> 00:24:35,417 to the shoreline of an unpopulated island 539 00:24:35,417 --> 00:24:39,042 and they spot something emerging from the woods. 540 00:24:39,042 --> 00:24:43,583 It's large, seemingly uniform in color and bipedal. 541 00:24:43,583 --> 00:24:46,208 Let's zoom in on the footage and slow it down. 542 00:24:46,208 --> 00:24:48,083 The creature appears to be almost 543 00:24:48,083 --> 00:24:49,708 indistinguishable in color 544 00:24:49,708 --> 00:24:51,708 from the forest behind it 545 00:24:51,708 --> 00:24:54,625 and it bears at least one striking similarity 546 00:24:54,625 --> 00:24:57,875 to the most famous alleged Bigfoot ever caught on camera. 547 00:24:57,875 --> 00:25:00,375 - It is leaning forward at the waist 548 00:25:00,375 --> 00:25:02,208 about five degrees or so, 549 00:25:02,208 --> 00:25:05,500 which is also seen in the "Patterson-Gimlin film," 550 00:25:05,500 --> 00:25:07,458 which is of course the best example 551 00:25:07,458 --> 00:25:09,875 of the way a Sasquatch moves. 552 00:25:09,875 --> 00:25:13,208 It quickly goes back into cover because Sasquatches, 553 00:25:13,208 --> 00:25:14,458 is like all wild animals, 554 00:25:14,458 --> 00:25:16,458 don't particularly like to be observed. 555 00:25:16,458 --> 00:25:18,750 That mottled color to the fur 556 00:25:18,750 --> 00:25:21,958 is actually a benefit if you're trying to camouflage 557 00:25:21,958 --> 00:25:24,667 that would help it blend into its environment. 558 00:25:24,667 --> 00:25:27,417 - [Tony] One wrinkle though, this is on an island, 559 00:25:27,417 --> 00:25:31,000 and though most mammals are able to swim instinctively, 560 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,750 a notable exception is the great apes. 561 00:25:33,750 --> 00:25:36,667 So what does Bigfoot think of aquatic activity? 562 00:25:36,667 --> 00:25:40,042 - Sasquatches do not fear the water at all. 563 00:25:40,042 --> 00:25:43,042 They've been seen swimming off of southeast Alaska 564 00:25:43,042 --> 00:25:45,292 and wading through lakes in Minnesota. 565 00:25:45,292 --> 00:25:47,417 They're very often seen foraging 566 00:25:47,417 --> 00:25:49,625 for plants around the edge of water. 567 00:25:49,625 --> 00:25:51,417 - [Tony] Another theory worth considering, 568 00:25:51,417 --> 00:25:53,875 could we be seeing a hermit or mountain man 569 00:25:53,875 --> 00:25:56,292 who has forsaken modern civilization 570 00:25:56,292 --> 00:25:57,708 for a life in the wilderness? 571 00:25:57,708 --> 00:25:59,958 - There's a certain type of person 572 00:25:59,958 --> 00:26:02,708 that lives in far-flung corners of the continent, 573 00:26:02,708 --> 00:26:05,042 whether it's Ontario or Alaska, 574 00:26:05,042 --> 00:26:06,167 the type of person 575 00:26:06,167 --> 00:26:08,458 that doesn't wanna be around other people, 576 00:26:08,458 --> 00:26:10,042 a lot like Sasquatches. 577 00:26:10,042 --> 00:26:12,417 These people like very often live alone 578 00:26:12,417 --> 00:26:13,958 in a very rough life. 579 00:26:13,958 --> 00:26:17,292 So is what we're seeing in this particular footage 580 00:26:17,292 --> 00:26:20,625 just a glimpse of one of these hermits living off the grid 581 00:26:20,625 --> 00:26:21,875 and perhaps wearing fur 582 00:26:21,875 --> 00:26:24,167 to stay warm in such harsh environments? 583 00:26:24,167 --> 00:26:25,708 [graphics whooshing] 584 00:26:25,708 --> 00:26:29,500 - Perhaps the most famous American hermit was Chris Knight 585 00:26:29,500 --> 00:26:31,958 who spent 27 years living in the woods 586 00:26:31,958 --> 00:26:35,708 and stealing from homes in the North Pond area of Maine 587 00:26:35,708 --> 00:26:38,000 until his arrest in 2013. 588 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,667 So what are we looking at here? 589 00:26:39,667 --> 00:26:43,708 A criminal on the land, a Sasquatch out for a swim, 590 00:26:43,708 --> 00:26:45,167 or something else? 591 00:26:45,167 --> 00:26:47,917 [suspenseful music] [letters clicking] 592 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,375 First, let's start with a simpler theory. 593 00:26:51,375 --> 00:26:53,625 Ontario's black bear population 594 00:26:53,625 --> 00:26:55,708 is the second largest in North America, 595 00:26:55,708 --> 00:26:57,625 and we know they can swim. 596 00:26:57,625 --> 00:26:59,375 Could that be what we're seeing? 597 00:26:59,375 --> 00:27:00,750 - The hair color kind of matches 598 00:27:00,750 --> 00:27:03,375 with what you would think of a bear. 599 00:27:03,375 --> 00:27:05,250 However, even though bears 600 00:27:05,250 --> 00:27:09,458 can walk on two legs for a short distance, 601 00:27:09,458 --> 00:27:11,083 the legs are shorter. 602 00:27:11,083 --> 00:27:14,792 So I can safely rule out that that is a bear. 603 00:27:14,792 --> 00:27:16,250 - [Tony] If it isn't a black bear, 604 00:27:16,250 --> 00:27:19,083 could it be a person simply living off the grid? 605 00:27:19,083 --> 00:27:22,042 - The gait and how it walks is very human-like. 606 00:27:22,042 --> 00:27:24,833 It's got two arms that swing as it walks, 607 00:27:24,833 --> 00:27:26,792 just like what humans do, 608 00:27:26,792 --> 00:27:28,708 and the proportions of the legs 609 00:27:28,708 --> 00:27:31,917 to the arms look correct for humans. 610 00:27:31,917 --> 00:27:35,042 - [Tony] But anatomy is one thing, covering is another. 611 00:27:35,042 --> 00:27:37,042 - I can't see anything like clothing, 612 00:27:37,042 --> 00:27:39,042 belts or anything like that. 613 00:27:39,042 --> 00:27:42,333 So I can conclude that it's not wearing clothing. 614 00:27:42,333 --> 00:27:45,833 What we are seeing is something that has fur or hair. 615 00:27:45,833 --> 00:27:48,042 Because it's covered head to toe with hair, 616 00:27:48,042 --> 00:27:50,583 we can rule out that it's a human being. 617 00:27:50,583 --> 00:27:52,542 - [Tony] Professor of anatomy Dr. Jeff Meldrum 618 00:27:52,542 --> 00:27:55,167 explores the idea that this could be a Bigfoot 619 00:27:55,167 --> 00:27:56,375 that swam to the island. 620 00:27:56,375 --> 00:27:59,583 He says it's true great apes can't swim instinctively, 621 00:27:59,583 --> 00:28:01,167 but some have learned. 622 00:28:01,167 --> 00:28:04,000 - There are examples of apes that have learned to swim 623 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,042 and frequent swimming pools, even utilize aqua lungs, 624 00:28:08,042 --> 00:28:11,375 clear regulators and swim in the deep end of the pool. 625 00:28:11,375 --> 00:28:14,917 It's really quite fascinating, the potential that they have, 626 00:28:14,917 --> 00:28:18,875 that possibility does exist amongst the great apes as well. 627 00:28:18,875 --> 00:28:20,708 - [Tony] However, for Meldrum, 628 00:28:20,708 --> 00:28:23,583 the issue isn't the swimming, it's the walking. 629 00:28:23,583 --> 00:28:26,167 - The thing that concerns me is the gait. 630 00:28:26,167 --> 00:28:28,667 The stoop seems overly exaggerated. 631 00:28:28,667 --> 00:28:31,792 It doesn't have that natural spontaneity 632 00:28:31,792 --> 00:28:34,167 that we see in the "Patterson-Gimlin film" 633 00:28:34,167 --> 00:28:36,792 where the subject does in fact lean forward 634 00:28:36,792 --> 00:28:39,042 about five degrees consistently. 635 00:28:39,042 --> 00:28:42,833 This looks like a very self-conscious stoop 636 00:28:42,833 --> 00:28:47,417 as if it were encumbered with artificial feet 637 00:28:47,417 --> 00:28:50,083 and on an uneven surface. 638 00:28:50,083 --> 00:28:52,833 [suspenseful music] [letters clicking] 639 00:28:54,167 --> 00:28:57,542 - Our verdict, it's not a hairy Bigfoot or a hermit. 640 00:28:57,542 --> 00:28:59,875 We're calling this a hoax. 641 00:28:59,875 --> 00:29:01,250 It's this kind of stuff 642 00:29:01,250 --> 00:29:04,500 that gives serious Bigfoot research a bad name. 643 00:29:04,500 --> 00:29:08,125 On the other hand, it makes doing this show a lot of fun. 644 00:29:12,208 --> 00:29:14,458 - In 2010, an airport in China was shut down 645 00:29:14,458 --> 00:29:15,875 for more than an hour 646 00:29:15,875 --> 00:29:18,458 after air traffic controllers saw what they believed 647 00:29:18,458 --> 00:29:20,583 to be a UFO buzzing around. 648 00:29:20,583 --> 00:29:23,208 Chinese officials later denied the incident even happened, 649 00:29:23,208 --> 00:29:26,417 claiming it must have been military exercises. 650 00:29:26,417 --> 00:29:29,708 But can that be said for this next Chinese incident? 651 00:29:31,333 --> 00:29:33,667 December 19th, 2022. 652 00:29:33,667 --> 00:29:36,000 It's a clear night in Ordos City, 653 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,167 located in China's Inner Mongolia region. 654 00:29:39,167 --> 00:29:41,792 Suddenly something appears in the sky above 655 00:29:41,792 --> 00:29:43,875 that grabs everyone's attention. 656 00:29:43,875 --> 00:29:47,417 One man points his phone up and captures this. 657 00:29:52,917 --> 00:29:54,708 - A large spotlight in the shape 658 00:29:54,708 --> 00:29:57,542 of an upside-down jellyfish seems to expand 659 00:29:57,542 --> 00:29:59,250 and take over the heavens. 660 00:29:59,250 --> 00:30:03,542 In its center, a bright cone of light descends right here. 661 00:30:03,542 --> 00:30:07,167 Underneath it, a tadpole-shaped beam, 662 00:30:07,167 --> 00:30:11,667 like a small lightning bolt, appears frozen in time. 663 00:30:11,667 --> 00:30:13,000 What is this thing? 664 00:30:19,708 --> 00:30:21,042 - We did have plenty of speculation 665 00:30:21,042 --> 00:30:23,042 regarding this phenomena being some sort 666 00:30:23,042 --> 00:30:24,875 of extraterrestrial event. 667 00:30:24,875 --> 00:30:27,208 - [Tony] Some believe China's UFO story begins 668 00:30:27,208 --> 00:30:29,875 with a set of disks found near the Tibetan border 669 00:30:29,875 --> 00:30:31,250 called the Dropa stones, 670 00:30:31,250 --> 00:30:33,833 which allegedly are 12,000 years old 671 00:30:33,833 --> 00:30:36,833 and tell the tale of an alien spaceship crash. 672 00:30:36,833 --> 00:30:38,875 Today, like the United States, 673 00:30:38,875 --> 00:30:41,125 China has its own investigatory body 674 00:30:41,125 --> 00:30:43,042 for unidentified aerial objects. 675 00:30:43,042 --> 00:30:45,167 It's run by the People's Liberation Army, 676 00:30:45,167 --> 00:30:48,333 or PLA, China's principal military force. 677 00:30:48,333 --> 00:30:49,917 - According to the PLA, 678 00:30:49,917 --> 00:30:51,917 they refer to UAP, 679 00:30:51,917 --> 00:30:55,875 or unidentified aerial phenomena as UAC, 680 00:30:55,875 --> 00:30:58,458 or unidentified air conditions. 681 00:30:58,458 --> 00:30:59,792 - [Tony] So what did the PLA 682 00:30:59,792 --> 00:31:02,167 have to say about this sighting at Ordos? 683 00:31:02,167 --> 00:31:04,500 - There is limited intelligence 684 00:31:04,500 --> 00:31:07,708 because China is keeping it very close to its chest 685 00:31:07,708 --> 00:31:10,208 and not releasing very much about it. 686 00:31:10,208 --> 00:31:12,875 - [Tony] Banias notes that silence has led some to wonder 687 00:31:12,875 --> 00:31:15,208 if instead of a war of the worlds, 688 00:31:15,208 --> 00:31:18,500 we should worry about a conflict much closer to home. 689 00:31:18,500 --> 00:31:20,750 There's been speculation this could be connected 690 00:31:20,750 --> 00:31:23,417 to some secret Chinese space weapon. 691 00:31:23,417 --> 00:31:25,167 It wouldn't be the first. 692 00:31:25,167 --> 00:31:28,833 - Space, just like any domain, is going to be a battlefield. 693 00:31:28,833 --> 00:31:31,625 One particularly interesting weapon that China has developed 694 00:31:31,625 --> 00:31:35,250 is the Shijian 17 satellite. 695 00:31:35,250 --> 00:31:39,167 Essentially it's an object that has a grappling arm on it 696 00:31:39,167 --> 00:31:43,042 and grabs onto the adversarial satellite 697 00:31:43,042 --> 00:31:46,333 so they can de-orbit the satellite making it unusable. 698 00:31:46,333 --> 00:31:48,292 Fundamentally, this could very well be used 699 00:31:48,292 --> 00:31:50,917 as a weapon should somebody need it to. 700 00:31:50,917 --> 00:31:52,667 [graphics whooshing] 701 00:31:52,667 --> 00:31:54,458 - What have we got here? 702 00:31:54,458 --> 00:31:57,500 So far the only peep we've heard from the Chinese government 703 00:31:57,500 --> 00:32:00,542 came through the local Inner Mongolia Weather Bureau, 704 00:32:00,542 --> 00:32:04,083 which said it was not a weather phenomenon. 705 00:32:04,083 --> 00:32:06,375 Will our experts reach the same conclusion? 706 00:32:06,375 --> 00:32:09,000 [suspenseful music] [letters clicking] 707 00:32:10,292 --> 00:32:13,375 We begin with military aviation expert Tim McMillan. 708 00:32:13,375 --> 00:32:17,750 By the end of 2022, there were nearly 7,000 satellites 709 00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:19,208 in orbit around the earth, 710 00:32:19,208 --> 00:32:22,250 and on average one falls back to earth every week. 711 00:32:22,250 --> 00:32:25,667 Could it be a crashing satellite like the Shijian 17? 712 00:32:25,667 --> 00:32:27,375 - No, for a couple of reasons. 713 00:32:27,375 --> 00:32:31,875 One being a satellite as it reenters the Earth's atmosphere, 714 00:32:31,875 --> 00:32:35,250 you're gonna see that same level of motion 715 00:32:35,250 --> 00:32:37,083 that you would expect from a shooting star. 716 00:32:37,083 --> 00:32:38,958 But we don't see anything 717 00:32:38,958 --> 00:32:40,542 that resembles that in these videos. 718 00:32:40,542 --> 00:32:42,458 - [Tony] Then, is the object a candidate 719 00:32:42,458 --> 00:32:46,500 for what the PLA calls an unidentified air condition, 720 00:32:46,500 --> 00:32:48,167 what we call a UFO? 721 00:32:48,167 --> 00:32:50,792 McMillan has a hunch we're seeing something very much 722 00:32:50,792 --> 00:32:52,208 from this planet. 723 00:32:52,208 --> 00:32:54,042 - To be honest with you, if I walked outta my house 724 00:32:54,042 --> 00:32:57,208 and saw this in the night sky, I'd probably freak out. 725 00:32:57,208 --> 00:32:59,375 But there are telltale signs 726 00:32:59,375 --> 00:33:01,125 that as otherworldly as it looks, 727 00:33:01,125 --> 00:33:03,000 this is gonna be a manmade object. 728 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,708 We can tell from the video here, 729 00:33:04,708 --> 00:33:08,167 these bright plumes are actually calls from an interaction 730 00:33:08,167 --> 00:33:11,292 between different gases in the Earth's atmosphere. 731 00:33:11,292 --> 00:33:12,875 All of the characteristics point to it, 732 00:33:12,875 --> 00:33:15,042 very likely a multi-stage rocket, 733 00:33:15,042 --> 00:33:17,708 which is why we see the kind of differing variances 734 00:33:17,708 --> 00:33:19,417 of light there. 735 00:33:19,417 --> 00:33:21,042 - [Tony] Astronomer and video effects designer 736 00:33:21,042 --> 00:33:24,458 Mark D'Antonio agrees, and sees even more clues. 737 00:33:24,458 --> 00:33:27,750 - To me, this is the early smoke trail rising in the air, 738 00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:30,500 and then as it gets up higher, we're looking up into it. 739 00:33:30,500 --> 00:33:32,792 - [Tony] D'Antonio notes that smoke trail 740 00:33:32,792 --> 00:33:35,042 has the hallmarks of an exhaust plume, 741 00:33:35,042 --> 00:33:36,583 specifically from a rocket. 742 00:33:36,583 --> 00:33:38,625 - Then the rocket changes perspective 743 00:33:38,625 --> 00:33:41,542 and looks like it changes its angle of attack. 744 00:33:41,542 --> 00:33:43,917 It's now heading more toward the horizon, 745 00:33:43,917 --> 00:33:45,333 toward the horizontal. 746 00:33:45,333 --> 00:33:47,833 - [Tony] In fact, he believes it all adds up 747 00:33:47,833 --> 00:33:49,375 to a rocket launch. 748 00:33:49,375 --> 00:33:52,542 - So in the anatomy of this, we have the beginning plume, 749 00:33:52,542 --> 00:33:55,375 we have the later plume of the launch, 750 00:33:55,375 --> 00:33:58,625 and then we see here this is where it all emanates from. 751 00:33:58,625 --> 00:34:00,875 - [Tony] As for the type of rocket this could be, 752 00:34:00,875 --> 00:34:02,792 D'Antonio offers a theory. 753 00:34:02,792 --> 00:34:06,875 - I think that it's one of the ICBMs, which stands for 754 00:34:06,875 --> 00:34:08,708 Intercontinental Ballistic Missile. 755 00:34:08,708 --> 00:34:12,250 - [Tony] ICBMs can have a range of over 3,500 miles 756 00:34:12,250 --> 00:34:16,208 and are primarily designed for nuclear weapons delivery. 757 00:34:16,208 --> 00:34:17,917 According to news reports, 758 00:34:17,917 --> 00:34:19,167 the People's Liberation Army 759 00:34:19,167 --> 00:34:21,833 began building an ICBM test site 760 00:34:21,833 --> 00:34:25,667 in nearby Ordos City in 2021. 761 00:34:25,667 --> 00:34:28,083 If this is an ICBM test, 762 00:34:28,083 --> 00:34:31,000 it could mean that site is now fully operational. 763 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,417 [suspenseful music] [letters clicking] 764 00:34:34,833 --> 00:34:38,667 Government secrets are tough to crack, especially in China. 765 00:34:38,667 --> 00:34:40,125 Our verdict? 766 00:34:40,125 --> 00:34:43,667 All we can say is this is a Chinese rocket launch, 767 00:34:43,667 --> 00:34:45,417 but what was it carrying, 768 00:34:45,417 --> 00:34:48,583 a satellite, some new kind of space weapon? 769 00:34:48,583 --> 00:34:50,167 For now, that's unknown. 770 00:34:54,208 --> 00:34:56,542 - In earlier episodes, we've featured videos from Italy 771 00:34:56,542 --> 00:35:00,292 of oddities in the sky that couldn't be easily explained, 772 00:35:00,292 --> 00:35:02,583 but this next clip may be one of the most compelling 773 00:35:02,583 --> 00:35:05,125 to ever come out of that ancient land. 774 00:35:05,125 --> 00:35:07,292 Take a look and you'll see what I mean. 775 00:35:07,292 --> 00:35:08,917 In the early 2000s, 776 00:35:08,917 --> 00:35:12,083 journalist Paola Harris is handed a mysterious videotape 777 00:35:12,083 --> 00:35:14,125 with an alleged UFO sighting. 778 00:35:14,125 --> 00:35:16,500 Paola isn't told any details about the recording, 779 00:35:16,500 --> 00:35:18,292 including when it was filmed. 780 00:35:18,292 --> 00:35:21,083 All she knows is that it took place near the town 781 00:35:21,083 --> 00:35:22,500 of Aviano, Italy. 782 00:35:22,500 --> 00:35:24,708 - We didn't get the name of the photographer. 783 00:35:24,708 --> 00:35:26,208 There was no return address, 784 00:35:26,208 --> 00:35:29,417 so I didn't know what I was getting until I got home. 785 00:35:29,417 --> 00:35:31,125 - [Tony] And when Paola plays the cassette, 786 00:35:31,125 --> 00:35:33,208 she is shocked by what she sees. 787 00:35:34,542 --> 00:35:38,042 An aerial craft shaped like a saucer flies gracefully 788 00:35:38,042 --> 00:35:40,375 along what appears to be a riverbed. 789 00:35:40,375 --> 00:35:42,458 As the UFO gets closer to the camera, 790 00:35:42,458 --> 00:35:45,250 we see it appears to have several vents 791 00:35:45,250 --> 00:35:47,208 and flaps on its oval body. 792 00:35:47,208 --> 00:35:48,667 - It's a pretty big object 793 00:35:48,667 --> 00:35:52,250 and it's very clear it's a classic disc 794 00:35:52,250 --> 00:35:54,125 and it almost had like lights 795 00:35:54,125 --> 00:35:56,750 around the circumference of it. 796 00:35:56,750 --> 00:35:59,208 - [Tony] Then, after hovering for a few seconds, 797 00:35:59,208 --> 00:36:01,583 we see the craft start to move again, 798 00:36:01,583 --> 00:36:03,958 before quickly zooming off into the clouds. 799 00:36:03,958 --> 00:36:05,583 Writer MJ Banias says Italy 800 00:36:05,583 --> 00:36:08,208 has a long history of UFO sightings. 801 00:36:08,208 --> 00:36:10,583 In fact, in June 2023, 802 00:36:10,583 --> 00:36:13,792 former intelligence officer- turned-whistleblower David Grush 803 00:36:13,792 --> 00:36:15,583 made a startling claim. 804 00:36:15,583 --> 00:36:18,375 - David Grush believes that the Vatican 805 00:36:18,375 --> 00:36:21,792 was responsible for the coverup of UFOs. 806 00:36:21,792 --> 00:36:25,083 He makes the claim that in 1933, 807 00:36:25,083 --> 00:36:28,083 there was a UFO crash in Italy and the Italian government 808 00:36:28,083 --> 00:36:29,625 as well as the Church 809 00:36:29,625 --> 00:36:31,500 essentially attempted to hush it up 810 00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:34,292 and secure the downed object. 811 00:36:34,292 --> 00:36:37,042 - [Tony] And when it comes to UFOs near Aviano, 812 00:36:37,042 --> 00:36:38,583 this wouldn't be the first. 813 00:36:38,583 --> 00:36:42,375 - There is a bit of history with Aviano and UFO encounters. 814 00:36:42,375 --> 00:36:45,833 - [Tony] The area is home to a NATO air base. 815 00:36:45,833 --> 00:36:48,333 And on July 1st, 1977, 816 00:36:48,333 --> 00:36:51,292 an air force guard observed a strange craft 817 00:36:51,292 --> 00:36:53,417 hovering over the base, 818 00:36:53,417 --> 00:36:56,875 which housed two secret jet fighters in a large hangar. 819 00:36:56,875 --> 00:37:00,625 - This particular object had a sort of dome-shaped top. 820 00:37:00,625 --> 00:37:03,208 It was emitting multiple colored lights 821 00:37:03,208 --> 00:37:06,292 and it was 45 meter in diameter about the size 822 00:37:06,292 --> 00:37:09,625 of the Navy Pier Ferris wheel in Chicago. 823 00:37:09,625 --> 00:37:11,208 - [Tony] A team of military guards 824 00:37:11,208 --> 00:37:12,917 and radar personnel purportedly tried 825 00:37:12,917 --> 00:37:15,833 to capture that aerial object, but when they did, 826 00:37:15,833 --> 00:37:18,042 they were hit with a mysterious power outage 827 00:37:18,042 --> 00:37:19,875 and the craft disappeared. 828 00:37:19,875 --> 00:37:21,125 But what about this craft 829 00:37:21,125 --> 00:37:23,708 seen hovering over the river near Aviano? 830 00:37:23,708 --> 00:37:26,458 Is it an alien encounter with a military base? 831 00:37:26,458 --> 00:37:27,875 [graphics whooshing] 832 00:37:27,875 --> 00:37:31,042 To date, the Aviano footage has garnered nearly eight 833 00:37:31,042 --> 00:37:33,250 and a half million views on YouTube. 834 00:37:33,250 --> 00:37:36,000 A number of netizens have identified the location 835 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,375 as somewhere near this bridge, 836 00:37:38,375 --> 00:37:41,042 which crosses the Ceolini stream. 837 00:37:41,042 --> 00:37:42,500 But let's see what our experts think 838 00:37:42,500 --> 00:37:44,167 about what this thing really is. 839 00:37:44,167 --> 00:37:46,625 [suspenseful music] [letters clicking] 840 00:37:47,958 --> 00:37:50,292 We begin with military aviation expert Tim McMillan, 841 00:37:50,292 --> 00:37:53,375 who points out this UFO flying over the river 842 00:37:53,375 --> 00:37:55,583 may not be as alien as you think. 843 00:37:55,583 --> 00:37:59,000 - That particular shape is not exclusive 844 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,250 to the UFO alien kind of lore. 845 00:38:01,250 --> 00:38:03,625 And in fact, going back to the 1930s, 846 00:38:03,625 --> 00:38:06,917 the flying disc or lenticular design, 847 00:38:06,917 --> 00:38:08,500 was already identified 848 00:38:08,500 --> 00:38:12,167 as really being an exceptional aerodynamic shape. 849 00:38:12,167 --> 00:38:13,333 - [Tony] One of the most well-known 850 00:38:13,333 --> 00:38:16,458 saucer-shaped machines is the Avro Car. 851 00:38:16,458 --> 00:38:18,875 It was developed as part of a US military project 852 00:38:18,875 --> 00:38:21,875 carried out in the early years of the Cold War. 853 00:38:21,875 --> 00:38:24,667 - That particular program never got off the ground, 854 00:38:24,667 --> 00:38:26,917 both figuratively and literally. 855 00:38:26,917 --> 00:38:28,708 The Avro Car was only able 856 00:38:28,708 --> 00:38:31,042 to achieve a few feet off the ground 857 00:38:31,042 --> 00:38:32,375 for just several moments. 858 00:38:32,375 --> 00:38:35,417 And there's a more recent attempt at this 859 00:38:35,417 --> 00:38:37,958 with a smaller drone called the ADIFO, 860 00:38:37,958 --> 00:38:40,167 which integrates fans 861 00:38:40,167 --> 00:38:43,542 and then also a rotating jet engine on it 862 00:38:43,542 --> 00:38:46,708 to try to replicate this flying saucer flight. 863 00:38:46,708 --> 00:38:48,458 - [Tony] As the footage was taken so close 864 00:38:48,458 --> 00:38:50,042 to a military base, 865 00:38:50,042 --> 00:38:54,125 could this be some sort of early-2000s military craft? 866 00:38:54,125 --> 00:38:55,583 Well, hold on. 867 00:38:55,583 --> 00:38:57,875 McMillan notices something off about the footage. 868 00:38:57,875 --> 00:39:00,208 - One of the major problems that I see is the fact 869 00:39:00,208 --> 00:39:04,375 that this object is flying really close over the surface. 870 00:39:04,375 --> 00:39:08,208 Just imagine a helicopter that's flying extremely low, 871 00:39:08,208 --> 00:39:09,333 that should be generating 872 00:39:09,333 --> 00:39:11,833 significant displacement on the ground. 873 00:39:11,833 --> 00:39:13,042 We don't see that there. 874 00:39:13,042 --> 00:39:16,167 How is it able to hover over without having any type 875 00:39:16,167 --> 00:39:18,542 of external effect on the ground? 876 00:39:18,542 --> 00:39:19,875 - [Tony] Rich Hoffman 877 00:39:19,875 --> 00:39:22,292 of the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies agrees, 878 00:39:22,292 --> 00:39:24,375 there's something not quite right here. 879 00:39:24,375 --> 00:39:27,167 - You don't have an original video 880 00:39:27,167 --> 00:39:28,875 and you don't have metadata or anything to go on. 881 00:39:28,875 --> 00:39:31,375 Could I create CGI to look like this? 882 00:39:31,375 --> 00:39:33,417 The answer is yes, I could. 883 00:39:33,417 --> 00:39:35,500 - [Tony] For Hoffman, the most suspicious parts 884 00:39:35,500 --> 00:39:37,042 of the video occur at the end. 885 00:39:37,042 --> 00:39:41,125 - When I saw the object become that indistinct line or blur, 886 00:39:41,125 --> 00:39:43,625 to me that suggested it was like more 887 00:39:43,625 --> 00:39:46,417 like a CGI type of an artifact. 888 00:39:46,417 --> 00:39:48,208 And I'm giving you the illusion 889 00:39:48,208 --> 00:39:50,583 that it's taking off at a very fast clip. 890 00:39:50,583 --> 00:39:52,083 - [Tony] With the red flags flying, 891 00:39:52,083 --> 00:39:55,417 we head to our video forensics expert, Michael Primeau. 892 00:39:55,417 --> 00:39:57,875 - We don't know where this file came from, 893 00:39:57,875 --> 00:39:59,375 structural attributes 894 00:39:59,375 --> 00:40:00,792 to be able to say whether 895 00:40:00,792 --> 00:40:03,000 or not it's a genuine recording. 896 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,375 With the reduction in the quality it becomes challenging, 897 00:40:06,375 --> 00:40:07,917 because we can't see detail. 898 00:40:07,917 --> 00:40:10,125 - [Tony] But surprise, unlike Hoffman, 899 00:40:10,125 --> 00:40:13,000 Primeau doesn't detect the use of any special effects. 900 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:14,542 - No evidence of CGI, 901 00:40:14,542 --> 00:40:16,583 no evidence of third party editing applications. 902 00:40:16,583 --> 00:40:18,083 But again, those things can be stripped 903 00:40:18,083 --> 00:40:21,917 and anti-forensic technology essentially can be introduced, 904 00:40:21,917 --> 00:40:22,958 in which case the result 905 00:40:22,958 --> 00:40:25,167 of this authentication is inconclusive. 906 00:40:25,167 --> 00:40:27,250 Without more information about the chain of custody, 907 00:40:27,250 --> 00:40:29,917 we can't opine as to whether or not this actually occurred. 908 00:40:29,917 --> 00:40:32,583 [suspenseful music] [letters clicking] 909 00:40:33,708 --> 00:40:36,042 - So this thing remains unidentified 910 00:40:36,042 --> 00:40:38,042 and it is certainly flying, 911 00:40:38,042 --> 00:40:41,083 but we're not certain if this is even an object 912 00:40:41,083 --> 00:40:42,875 or just a video hoax. 913 00:40:42,875 --> 00:40:46,208 And with the ongoing military presence at Aviano Air Base, 914 00:40:46,208 --> 00:40:47,667 something tells me 915 00:40:47,667 --> 00:40:50,208 we'll be seeing more anomalous incidents there 916 00:40:50,208 --> 00:40:51,208 in the future. 917 00:40:51,208 --> 00:40:52,458 And that's our show for tonight. 918 00:40:52,458 --> 00:40:54,458 Thank you so much for watching, 919 00:40:54,458 --> 00:40:56,417 and keep those cameras rolling. 920 00:40:56,417 --> 00:40:59,542 [suspenseful music]