1 00:00:02,125 --> 00:00:03,500 - Tonight, on "The Proof Is Out There." 2 00:00:03,500 --> 00:00:05,417 Was a legendary Birdman caught on camera? 3 00:00:05,417 --> 00:00:08,167 - [Ken] The Birdman was a supernatural deity 4 00:00:08,167 --> 00:00:09,833 that was much revered. 5 00:00:09,833 --> 00:00:12,458 - [Tony] Is an ancient alien satellite orbiting earth? 6 00:00:12,458 --> 00:00:15,083 - The Black Knight satellite is a UFO theory 7 00:00:15,083 --> 00:00:17,917 that's been bouncing around since before the internet. 8 00:00:17,917 --> 00:00:19,708 - [Tony] Is a behemoth crying out 9 00:00:19,708 --> 00:00:20,875 from the bottom of the sea? 10 00:00:20,875 --> 00:00:22,917 (cry resounding) 11 00:00:22,917 --> 00:00:24,875 - This is a really eerie sound 12 00:00:24,875 --> 00:00:29,375 that reminds you of something a deep sea monster would make. 13 00:00:29,375 --> 00:00:31,458 - [Tony] And does this UFO footage from Germany 14 00:00:31,458 --> 00:00:34,250 help explain a mystery of World War II? 15 00:00:34,250 --> 00:00:36,958 - Nothing in the sky should be moving like this. 16 00:00:36,958 --> 00:00:39,250 (dramatic music) 17 00:00:41,375 --> 00:00:43,250 - [Tony] Around the globe are videos... 18 00:00:43,250 --> 00:00:45,042 - [Eyewitness] What are those things? 19 00:00:45,042 --> 00:00:46,292 - [Eyewitness] It's moving. 20 00:00:46,292 --> 00:00:49,583 - [Tony] Photos and sounds that defy explanation. 21 00:00:49,583 --> 00:00:52,208 (electric static hissing) 22 00:00:55,083 --> 00:00:57,125 - [Kathy] We don't know where they come from, 23 00:00:57,125 --> 00:00:58,833 who made them, or how they operate. 24 00:00:58,833 --> 00:01:00,000 - [Tony] What are they? 25 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,000 - [MJ] Some sort of bizarre mutation. 26 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:03,708 - [Marc] What's exciting is nobody really knows. 27 00:01:03,708 --> 00:01:07,125 - Extraordinary claims need extraordinary proof. 28 00:01:08,708 --> 00:01:10,042 - I'm Tony Harris, 29 00:01:10,042 --> 00:01:12,208 and as a journalist for more than 30 years, 30 00:01:12,208 --> 00:01:15,083 I've followed the facts where they take me. 31 00:01:15,083 --> 00:01:17,542 Now, I'm bringing that spirit of investigation 32 00:01:17,542 --> 00:01:20,292 to the world's strangest sounds and images. 33 00:01:21,333 --> 00:01:23,542 We'll analyze each one with top experts. 34 00:01:23,542 --> 00:01:26,667 - It's a credible case, it's a credible video. 35 00:01:26,667 --> 00:01:29,792 - [Tony] And pass a verdict on what it is. 36 00:01:29,792 --> 00:01:31,875 - This video was clearly faked. 37 00:01:31,875 --> 00:01:34,042 - The proof starts now. 38 00:01:34,042 --> 00:01:36,333 (dramatic music) 39 00:01:42,458 --> 00:01:45,458 Good evening and welcome to "The Proof Is Out There." 40 00:01:45,458 --> 00:01:47,917 More than 40% of homes in America 41 00:01:47,917 --> 00:01:49,917 have some kind of surveillance camera. 42 00:01:49,917 --> 00:01:53,583 And while the majority are installed for security reasons, 43 00:01:53,583 --> 00:01:55,208 we have been able to take advantage 44 00:01:55,208 --> 00:01:57,292 of another added benefit, 45 00:01:57,292 --> 00:02:00,792 recordings of strange creatures in the night. 46 00:02:00,792 --> 00:02:03,042 August 27th, 2017. 47 00:02:03,042 --> 00:02:04,708 It's just after midnight in a quiet, 48 00:02:04,708 --> 00:02:07,542 residential neighborhood near Youngstown, Ohio. 49 00:02:07,542 --> 00:02:09,583 Suddenly, a motion detector camera 50 00:02:09,583 --> 00:02:12,208 is triggered by a movement in the driveway. 51 00:02:14,208 --> 00:02:16,875 Let's take another frightening look. 52 00:02:18,125 --> 00:02:20,750 A strange creature races past a parked car, 53 00:02:20,750 --> 00:02:22,917 then disappears into the night. 54 00:02:22,917 --> 00:02:24,542 It appears to have a white head, 55 00:02:24,542 --> 00:02:27,375 dark body, while running on two legs. 56 00:02:27,375 --> 00:02:29,583 According to field researcher Ken Gerhard, 57 00:02:29,583 --> 00:02:32,792 no one, including the homeowner, knew what they were seeing. 58 00:02:32,792 --> 00:02:34,083 - When this footage came out, 59 00:02:34,083 --> 00:02:35,833 I remember it created a bit of a stir 60 00:02:35,833 --> 00:02:37,250 in the cryptozoology community. 61 00:02:37,250 --> 00:02:39,083 The owner claimed that this thing 62 00:02:39,083 --> 00:02:41,708 was some type of bipedal, bird-like creature 63 00:02:41,708 --> 00:02:46,542 with black plumage, a white beak, and very long white legs. 64 00:02:46,542 --> 00:02:48,875 She estimated it was about three to five feet tall, 65 00:02:48,875 --> 00:02:50,042 but what's really remarkable 66 00:02:50,042 --> 00:02:52,292 is how fast this thing is moving, 67 00:02:52,292 --> 00:02:54,292 about 15 feet in only two seconds. 68 00:02:54,292 --> 00:02:55,667 The owner ultimately claimed 69 00:02:55,667 --> 00:02:57,917 that she saw this creature multiple times 70 00:02:57,917 --> 00:02:59,750 making clicking noises. 71 00:02:59,750 --> 00:03:02,125 And she even claimed she found some massive piles 72 00:03:02,125 --> 00:03:04,458 of what looked like bird droppings. 73 00:03:04,458 --> 00:03:06,417 - [Tony] A birdman or bird-like creature 74 00:03:06,417 --> 00:03:09,125 roaming the streets of Ohio? 75 00:03:09,125 --> 00:03:10,958 It may not be as farfetched as you think. 76 00:03:10,958 --> 00:03:12,708 Gerhard says this type of creature 77 00:03:12,708 --> 00:03:15,958 has been part of Native American folklore for centuries. 78 00:03:15,958 --> 00:03:19,250 - There is something known as the Cahokia Birdman, 79 00:03:19,250 --> 00:03:22,208 a carving in sandstone of an anthropomorphic, 80 00:03:22,208 --> 00:03:24,208 half-man, half-bird-like creature 81 00:03:24,208 --> 00:03:26,750 found in East St. Louis in 1971 82 00:03:26,750 --> 00:03:30,042 and dated to be about 900 years old. 83 00:03:30,042 --> 00:03:31,708 - [Tony] Another theory online is that 84 00:03:31,708 --> 00:03:35,417 this was an escaped exotic animal like an ostrich. 85 00:03:35,417 --> 00:03:37,625 Ohio has seen that before. 86 00:03:37,625 --> 00:03:41,500 In 2011, a Zanesville man made national news 87 00:03:41,500 --> 00:03:43,208 when he released his massive collection 88 00:03:43,208 --> 00:03:45,625 of 50 animals into the wild, 89 00:03:45,625 --> 00:03:48,792 including 18 tigers, 17 lions, 90 00:03:48,792 --> 00:03:51,500 8 bears, and 3 cougars. 91 00:03:51,500 --> 00:03:54,875 Why couldn't a renegade ostrich be running the streets? 92 00:03:57,417 --> 00:03:59,875 There's apparently been no shortage of strange creatures 93 00:03:59,875 --> 00:04:02,542 spotted in Ohio over the years. 94 00:04:02,542 --> 00:04:04,292 The Loveland Frogman is supposedly 95 00:04:04,292 --> 00:04:05,708 a four-foot-tall cryptid 96 00:04:05,708 --> 00:04:08,833 that has been spotted numerous times in Loveland, Ohio 97 00:04:08,833 --> 00:04:12,375 since the 1950s and even inspired a musical. 98 00:04:12,375 --> 00:04:14,375 Could this alleged birdman 99 00:04:14,375 --> 00:04:16,917 of Youngstown soon be heading to Broadway? 100 00:04:16,917 --> 00:04:20,042 Let's check in with the experts to see what we've got here. 101 00:04:20,042 --> 00:04:22,333 (tense music) 102 00:04:23,292 --> 00:04:26,250 If it's not a Birdman, is it just a man? 103 00:04:26,250 --> 00:04:28,417 Could this just be an elaborate prank? 104 00:04:28,417 --> 00:04:30,875 Biologist, Stephanie Manka explains the footage. 105 00:04:30,875 --> 00:04:34,000 - I don't think this is a human in a costume. 106 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,750 It doesn't seem to have the head shape of a human. 107 00:04:36,750 --> 00:04:39,792 The legs are too tall and the torso's too short. 108 00:04:39,792 --> 00:04:42,917 And overall, it's small compared to the car here. 109 00:04:42,917 --> 00:04:45,125 - [Tony] Okay, so Manka believes 110 00:04:45,125 --> 00:04:46,875 we can definitely rule out the man, 111 00:04:46,875 --> 00:04:48,125 but what about the bird? 112 00:04:48,125 --> 00:04:49,667 - It does look like a bird. 113 00:04:49,667 --> 00:04:52,917 The fact that massive, bird-dropping-like things 114 00:04:52,917 --> 00:04:55,042 were left behind makes sense. 115 00:04:55,042 --> 00:04:57,625 - [Tony] Some speculated this could be a wild turkey, 116 00:04:57,625 --> 00:05:00,250 with an estimated length of up to 49 inches 117 00:05:00,250 --> 00:05:02,250 and droppings nearly three inches long. 118 00:05:02,250 --> 00:05:06,250 There are 160-180,000 of them in Ohio. 119 00:05:06,250 --> 00:05:08,042 - I don't think it's a wild turkey, 120 00:05:08,042 --> 00:05:11,750 because the legs look too long to be a turkey, 121 00:05:11,750 --> 00:05:14,750 the head looks too thick and too light, 122 00:05:14,750 --> 00:05:17,750 and the body doesn't look round enough. 123 00:05:17,750 --> 00:05:20,042 - [Tony] However, Manka does see similarities 124 00:05:20,042 --> 00:05:21,625 to another type of bird, 125 00:05:21,625 --> 00:05:23,583 albeit not native to the United States. 126 00:05:23,583 --> 00:05:26,500 - Ostriches and emus can run fast like this, 127 00:05:26,500 --> 00:05:28,208 but it's not big enough. 128 00:05:28,208 --> 00:05:31,583 And then I looked into rios, which are smaller ground birds 129 00:05:31,583 --> 00:05:36,042 that can run pretty fast, and I was thinking it was that. 130 00:05:36,042 --> 00:05:38,500 - [Tony] But wildlife biologist Floyd Hayes 131 00:05:38,500 --> 00:05:41,250 thinks we're looking at another kind of creature altogether. 132 00:05:41,250 --> 00:05:43,500 - This animal cannot be a bird. 133 00:05:43,500 --> 00:05:45,292 Instead, it is a mammal. 134 00:05:45,292 --> 00:05:47,917 It looks like it's running on two legs. 135 00:05:47,917 --> 00:05:51,500 Possibly because of the angle from the camera 136 00:05:51,500 --> 00:05:53,292 and the low resolution, 137 00:05:53,292 --> 00:05:55,917 they're not really seeing the front limbs 138 00:05:55,917 --> 00:05:57,292 of a four-legged animal. 139 00:05:57,292 --> 00:05:59,500 - [Tony] But what kind of four-legged animal? 140 00:05:59,500 --> 00:06:01,375 Hayes notes the coloration eliminates 141 00:06:01,375 --> 00:06:03,375 typical nocturnal predators. 142 00:06:03,375 --> 00:06:05,458 - Foxes and coyotes and wolves 143 00:06:05,458 --> 00:06:07,333 tend to be relatively uniformly colored. 144 00:06:07,333 --> 00:06:08,792 In this particular animal, 145 00:06:08,792 --> 00:06:10,875 it looks like we have a white-ish head, 146 00:06:10,875 --> 00:06:13,542 a black-ish body, and white-ish legs. 147 00:06:13,542 --> 00:06:15,958 - [Tony] Instead, Hayes believes this is an animal 148 00:06:15,958 --> 00:06:19,500 much more likely to be roaming suburban neighborhoods at night. 149 00:06:19,500 --> 00:06:23,542 - To me, this looks like a medium-sized dog that's running. 150 00:06:23,542 --> 00:06:25,583 We're not able to see the tail very well, 151 00:06:25,583 --> 00:06:28,083 but I think I'm seeing glimpses of it 152 00:06:28,083 --> 00:06:29,792 as it's moving through the video. 153 00:06:29,792 --> 00:06:31,875 - [Tony] But Manka has her doubts. 154 00:06:31,875 --> 00:06:35,417 - I can't make out any of the front half of the animal. 155 00:06:35,417 --> 00:06:38,542 I can't see four legs or paws or anything. 156 00:06:38,542 --> 00:06:40,625 So I don't think this is a dog. 157 00:06:42,292 --> 00:06:44,583 (tense music) 158 00:06:46,042 --> 00:06:49,708 - Our verdict, we're going with unidentified mammal. 159 00:06:49,708 --> 00:06:53,875 Hayes's analysis convinces us this is some sort of mammal 160 00:06:53,875 --> 00:06:56,375 and not a bird running through the driveway. 161 00:06:56,375 --> 00:06:58,542 But exactly what kind, we're not sure. 162 00:06:58,542 --> 00:07:00,625 In the meantime, we're still on the lookout 163 00:07:00,625 --> 00:07:03,375 for evidence of the Loveland Frogman. 164 00:07:03,375 --> 00:07:06,458 So, Ohioans, keep those cameras at the ready. 165 00:07:08,750 --> 00:07:11,458 Now for one of our favorite kind of stories, 166 00:07:11,458 --> 00:07:13,750 the kind you send us. 167 00:07:13,750 --> 00:07:15,917 History's first satellite, Sputnik, 168 00:07:15,917 --> 00:07:20,042 was launched into orbit almost 70 years ago by the USSR. 169 00:07:20,042 --> 00:07:22,042 But there's a group of UFO theorists who insist 170 00:07:22,042 --> 00:07:24,542 there's a satellite up there that's older. 171 00:07:24,542 --> 00:07:26,708 In fact, ancient. 172 00:07:26,708 --> 00:07:30,000 And one hardcore proof fan thinks he caught it on camera. 173 00:07:31,125 --> 00:07:33,042 It's November 2018. 174 00:07:33,042 --> 00:07:35,875 Nicos Vouris is walking with his daughter Nika 175 00:07:35,875 --> 00:07:38,792 along the beach in Cape Town, South Africa. 176 00:07:38,792 --> 00:07:42,708 Around 7:00 PM, Nika spies something strange in the air, 177 00:07:42,708 --> 00:07:46,375 something that may have been watching us for centuries. 178 00:07:46,375 --> 00:07:49,458 - [Nicos] This is a UFO of some sort. 179 00:07:49,458 --> 00:07:50,792 - [Tony] Look closely. 180 00:07:52,083 --> 00:07:56,625 A strange, malleable, black shape hovers high above Nicos 181 00:07:56,625 --> 00:07:57,917 and his family. 182 00:07:57,917 --> 00:08:00,458 It seems to float without obvious direction, 183 00:08:00,458 --> 00:08:02,708 silently, holding position. 184 00:08:02,708 --> 00:08:06,250 - We thought, "Okay, this can't be like a normal drone." 185 00:08:06,250 --> 00:08:07,875 And it's just hovering there. 186 00:08:07,875 --> 00:08:10,208 It did weird, wonderful maneuvers like that, 187 00:08:10,208 --> 00:08:11,542 like by going vertically, 188 00:08:11,542 --> 00:08:12,708 then horizontal, then vertical again. 189 00:08:12,708 --> 00:08:15,375 It was just amazing to see. 190 00:08:15,375 --> 00:08:17,208 - [Tony] But while many, at first sight, 191 00:08:17,208 --> 00:08:21,042 would think this is a drone or possibly a spy balloon, 192 00:08:21,042 --> 00:08:24,083 Nicos believes it's something much more extraordinary. 193 00:08:24,083 --> 00:08:25,542 - I'm an untrained observer. 194 00:08:25,542 --> 00:08:28,125 But in terms of what I saw, 195 00:08:28,125 --> 00:08:32,083 it was very much reminiscent of the Black Knight satellite. 196 00:08:33,042 --> 00:08:36,083 - [Tony] What is the Black Knight satellite? 197 00:08:36,083 --> 00:08:38,083 Writer Amy Tietel explains. 198 00:08:38,083 --> 00:08:40,125 - The Black Knight satellite is a UFO theory 199 00:08:40,125 --> 00:08:43,417 that's been bouncing around since before the internet. 200 00:08:43,417 --> 00:08:44,875 - [Tony] Believers say the satellite 201 00:08:44,875 --> 00:08:47,875 is an alien surveillance and communication device 202 00:08:47,875 --> 00:08:51,292 that has been in a polar orbit for thousands of years, 203 00:08:51,292 --> 00:08:54,667 inserting itself into human history when it sees fit. 204 00:08:54,667 --> 00:08:56,833 - Some people have even gone so far 205 00:08:56,833 --> 00:08:58,750 as to say that this satellite 206 00:08:58,750 --> 00:09:01,042 is what Nikola Tesla was communicating with 207 00:09:01,042 --> 00:09:05,625 during his radio experiments in Colorado Springs in 1899. 208 00:09:05,625 --> 00:09:08,125 He heard some kind of frequency 209 00:09:08,125 --> 00:09:10,042 and some people believe 210 00:09:10,042 --> 00:09:12,750 that he was actually speaking to the Black Knight satellite 211 00:09:12,750 --> 00:09:15,708 and it was communicating with him through math, 212 00:09:15,708 --> 00:09:17,958 using numbers as the universal language. 213 00:09:17,958 --> 00:09:19,708 - [Tony] For years, this remained 214 00:09:19,708 --> 00:09:22,667 a science fiction theory that was kind of cool, kind of scary, 215 00:09:22,667 --> 00:09:24,417 but still just a theory, 216 00:09:24,417 --> 00:09:26,708 until a strange object was spotted 217 00:09:26,708 --> 00:09:28,875 about 200 miles above the Earth. 218 00:09:28,875 --> 00:09:31,750 - In 1998, during the STS-88 mission, 219 00:09:31,750 --> 00:09:33,708 astronauts photographed something 220 00:09:33,708 --> 00:09:36,625 hovering above the Earth's horizon line. 221 00:09:37,583 --> 00:09:39,375 And this became a big mystery. 222 00:09:39,375 --> 00:09:41,500 Some people have used this photograph 223 00:09:41,500 --> 00:09:43,208 as definitive proof that there are aliens 224 00:09:43,208 --> 00:09:45,208 interacting with our planet. 225 00:09:47,042 --> 00:09:49,625 - For many, what makes the Black Knight satellite 226 00:09:49,625 --> 00:09:52,042 so compelling is the logic behind it. 227 00:09:52,042 --> 00:09:54,500 If an alien race wanted to study the Earth, 228 00:09:54,500 --> 00:09:56,542 why wouldn't they send a probe? 229 00:09:56,542 --> 00:09:58,750 The same way NASA sent Voyager I 230 00:09:58,750 --> 00:10:02,208 to explore other planets in our solar system. 231 00:10:02,208 --> 00:10:03,625 So what is this thing? 232 00:10:03,625 --> 00:10:07,625 ET satellite, balloon, or something else? 233 00:10:07,625 --> 00:10:09,833 (tense music) 234 00:10:10,875 --> 00:10:13,208 Astrophotographer Andrew McCarthy 235 00:10:13,208 --> 00:10:14,958 is a Black Knight skeptic. 236 00:10:14,958 --> 00:10:17,042 He says the most famous piece of evidence, 237 00:10:17,042 --> 00:10:20,458 that 1998 NASA photo, was more a visual trick 238 00:10:20,458 --> 00:10:22,792 than proof of alien spacecraft. 239 00:10:22,792 --> 00:10:25,833 - It's outside of the window of the space shuttle 240 00:10:25,833 --> 00:10:28,083 that was not in direct sunlight 241 00:10:28,083 --> 00:10:31,250 so appears dark against the bright contrast of the Earth 242 00:10:31,250 --> 00:10:32,958 and the surrounding space. 243 00:10:32,958 --> 00:10:36,458 Seems to be just a normal piece of space debris. 244 00:10:36,458 --> 00:10:37,875 - [Tony] Astronaut Jerry Ross, 245 00:10:37,875 --> 00:10:40,167 who took part in the STS-88 mission, 246 00:10:40,167 --> 00:10:43,042 confirms the object from the 1998 photo 247 00:10:43,042 --> 00:10:45,833 is a wayward thermal blanket that broke loose 248 00:10:45,833 --> 00:10:48,625 while his team tried to attach an American module 249 00:10:48,625 --> 00:10:51,333 to a Russian module on the ISS. 250 00:10:51,333 --> 00:10:54,250 But just because the 1998 picture can be debunked, 251 00:10:54,250 --> 00:10:55,875 we still have to ask, 252 00:10:55,875 --> 00:10:58,958 could Nicos's footage be of a genuine alien satellite? 253 00:10:58,958 --> 00:11:01,542 We take that question to video analyst Mick West. 254 00:11:01,542 --> 00:11:03,375 - I don't think this is a satellite. 255 00:11:03,375 --> 00:11:05,750 We simply wouldn't be able to see a satellite 256 00:11:05,750 --> 00:11:07,208 at that distance. 257 00:11:07,208 --> 00:11:09,250 But the closest satellites from Earth 258 00:11:09,250 --> 00:11:11,917 are about 200 miles up. 259 00:11:11,917 --> 00:11:13,208 The International Space Station 260 00:11:13,208 --> 00:11:15,042 is the largest satellite that's up there, 261 00:11:15,042 --> 00:11:19,042 and you can only really see that as a dot of light 262 00:11:19,042 --> 00:11:21,417 and you can't see it at all during the daytime. 263 00:11:21,417 --> 00:11:24,417 - [Tony] Could the object Nicos captured be a spy balloon? 264 00:11:24,417 --> 00:11:26,917 - It could be a spy balloon. 265 00:11:26,917 --> 00:11:28,542 Typically, a spy balloon 266 00:11:28,542 --> 00:11:30,625 would have something dangling underneath it, 267 00:11:30,625 --> 00:11:34,000 but it could be a type of spy balloon where the the payload 268 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:35,875 is actually attached to the balloon itself. 269 00:11:35,875 --> 00:11:37,958 - [Tony] In February 2023, 270 00:11:37,958 --> 00:11:42,833 US military jets shot down a suspected Chinese spy balloon. 271 00:11:42,833 --> 00:11:45,625 The 200-foot tall balloon had multiple antennas 272 00:11:45,625 --> 00:11:48,375 and a solar array that government officials say 273 00:11:48,375 --> 00:11:51,417 was capable of capturing imagery and signals 274 00:11:51,417 --> 00:11:52,708 from military sites 275 00:11:52,708 --> 00:11:55,125 and sending them back to China in real time. 276 00:11:55,125 --> 00:11:57,625 Did Nicos see one over South Africa? 277 00:11:57,625 --> 00:11:59,333 McCarthy has his doubts. 278 00:11:59,333 --> 00:12:01,708 - This object doesn't fit the profile of a spy balloon 279 00:12:01,708 --> 00:12:03,333 because it's way too obvious. 280 00:12:03,333 --> 00:12:06,042 Those balloons are much higher altitude 281 00:12:06,042 --> 00:12:08,125 and usually white to blend in with the sky 282 00:12:08,125 --> 00:12:12,167 and to reflect the sun's energy back out and not overheat. 283 00:12:12,167 --> 00:12:14,542 - [Tony] So if it's not spying on us, 284 00:12:14,542 --> 00:12:16,667 could it be another type of balloon? 285 00:12:16,667 --> 00:12:18,958 - A solar balloon is a type of hot air balloon 286 00:12:18,958 --> 00:12:24,333 which uses the heat of the sun to warm up a balloon. 287 00:12:24,333 --> 00:12:27,750 And they do that by making the balloon out of black plastic. 288 00:12:27,750 --> 00:12:29,583 - [Tony] Because black absorbs heat, 289 00:12:29,583 --> 00:12:32,750 the air trapped in the balloon expands, creating lift. 290 00:12:32,750 --> 00:12:34,708 - But I think we can rule that out 291 00:12:34,708 --> 00:12:36,708 because the shape of this object 292 00:12:36,708 --> 00:12:38,625 would be consistent if it was, 293 00:12:38,625 --> 00:12:40,042 as as the air heats, 294 00:12:40,042 --> 00:12:42,167 the material around it becomes taut 295 00:12:42,167 --> 00:12:44,500 and can no longer change its shape. 296 00:12:44,500 --> 00:12:45,792 - [Tony] So while it might not be 297 00:12:45,792 --> 00:12:48,292 a functioning, inflated solar balloon, 298 00:12:48,292 --> 00:12:50,125 couldn't Nicos's Black Knight satellite 299 00:12:50,125 --> 00:12:51,958 simply be a deflated balloon 300 00:12:51,958 --> 00:12:55,500 or even airborne trash caught in the air currents? 301 00:12:55,500 --> 00:12:59,125 - Pilots are always seeing things like balloons 302 00:12:59,125 --> 00:13:02,000 or wind blown debris, things like plastic bags. 303 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,625 This is one of the big problems the UAP Task Force had, 304 00:13:04,625 --> 00:13:06,875 which was dealing with airborne clutter. 305 00:13:06,875 --> 00:13:09,208 (tense music) 306 00:13:10,208 --> 00:13:12,792 - Our verdict, a trash bag or balloon 307 00:13:12,792 --> 00:13:14,708 caught in air currents. 308 00:13:14,708 --> 00:13:16,000 Sorry, Nicos. 309 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,375 This might not be the sexiest answer, 310 00:13:18,375 --> 00:13:20,250 but because of its size, movement, 311 00:13:20,250 --> 00:13:22,625 and through process of elimination, 312 00:13:22,625 --> 00:13:24,125 that's what we have to conclude. 313 00:13:28,125 --> 00:13:28,708 - Germany has its own history of UFOs 314 00:13:29,375 --> 00:13:32,375 going back at least as far as World War II. 315 00:13:32,375 --> 00:13:33,833 This next puzzling footage 316 00:13:33,833 --> 00:13:36,500 is a much more recent sighting out of Deutschland. 317 00:13:36,500 --> 00:13:37,875 And whatever it is, 318 00:13:37,875 --> 00:13:41,792 we know it's not one of the 99 luftballons. 319 00:13:42,875 --> 00:13:45,917 September 29th, 2014. 320 00:13:45,917 --> 00:13:48,417 It's a beautiful day in Berau, Germany, 321 00:13:48,417 --> 00:13:51,833 a rural southern village near the Swiss border. 322 00:13:51,833 --> 00:13:53,792 A photographer sets up his camera 323 00:13:53,792 --> 00:13:55,750 to film the perfect sunset. 324 00:13:55,750 --> 00:13:57,917 But when he watches the footage back, 325 00:13:57,917 --> 00:14:00,208 he has captured something else entirely. 326 00:14:01,875 --> 00:14:05,208 A bright, streaking orb jetting across the sky. 327 00:14:08,083 --> 00:14:11,708 Suddenly, the object seems to zigzag violently 328 00:14:11,708 --> 00:14:13,750 before continuing downward. 329 00:14:13,750 --> 00:14:15,083 Let's see that again. 330 00:14:17,250 --> 00:14:21,000 Journalist Eric Grundhauser is intrigued by that hard turn. 331 00:14:21,958 --> 00:14:23,250 - [Eric] The way that it moves, 332 00:14:23,250 --> 00:14:24,625 it doesn't look like the behavior 333 00:14:24,625 --> 00:14:28,708 that any earthly vessel could possibly undertake. 334 00:14:28,708 --> 00:14:30,708 - [Tony] Much of the online speculation 335 00:14:30,708 --> 00:14:33,208 centers on the location of a sighting, 336 00:14:33,208 --> 00:14:35,833 a place considered by some to be the birthplace 337 00:14:35,833 --> 00:14:38,292 of the modern UFO phenomenon. 338 00:14:38,292 --> 00:14:41,375 It was 1944, behind German lines, 339 00:14:41,375 --> 00:14:44,375 the elite 415 Night Fighter Squadron reported 340 00:14:44,375 --> 00:14:47,208 strange phenomena in the skies over Germany. 341 00:14:47,208 --> 00:14:50,625 - The incident involved a Bristol Beaufighter crew 342 00:14:50,625 --> 00:14:54,375 led by pilot Edward Schlueter and his crew mates 343 00:14:54,375 --> 00:14:59,083 who were flying over the Rhine Valley near Strasbourg. 344 00:14:59,083 --> 00:15:03,042 The crew described 8 to 10 orange orbs 345 00:15:03,042 --> 00:15:06,250 flying at high speeds off of their left wing. 346 00:15:06,250 --> 00:15:08,042 - [Tony] The lights appeared from nowhere 347 00:15:08,042 --> 00:15:11,250 moving at erratic angles, dancing around the planes. 348 00:15:11,250 --> 00:15:14,042 The puzzled squadron could not shoot them down. 349 00:15:14,042 --> 00:15:16,042 They also never appeared on radar. 350 00:15:16,042 --> 00:15:19,125 The pilots dubbed the bright light bogies, 351 00:15:19,125 --> 00:15:22,958 allegedly captured in this photo, "foo fighters." 352 00:15:22,958 --> 00:15:25,792 - Since the foo fighters caused no damage, 353 00:15:25,792 --> 00:15:28,042 the American crewmen doubted 354 00:15:28,042 --> 00:15:31,542 that they were actually German secret weapons. 355 00:15:31,542 --> 00:15:35,083 German pilots claim to have seen foo fighters as well, 356 00:15:35,083 --> 00:15:36,958 and they were just as baffled. 357 00:15:37,958 --> 00:15:39,542 - [Tony] But there are other modern instances 358 00:15:39,542 --> 00:15:42,792 of similar bright orbs descending on planes too. 359 00:15:42,792 --> 00:15:44,500 On a previous episode, 360 00:15:44,500 --> 00:15:47,667 we analyzed this 2020 sighting from the Mexican skies 361 00:15:47,667 --> 00:15:49,250 where veteran military 362 00:15:49,250 --> 00:15:52,000 and commercial pilot, Captain Eric Delgado, 363 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:53,917 recorded this footage. 364 00:15:53,917 --> 00:15:55,458 - [Eric] Oh man, that is phenomenal. 365 00:15:55,458 --> 00:15:57,542 And you saw it dropped out of the sky 366 00:15:57,542 --> 00:15:59,167 and just stop? 367 00:15:59,167 --> 00:16:01,250 - [Tony] The UFO paced Delgado's plane 368 00:16:01,250 --> 00:16:03,125 before shooting off at a sharp angle, 369 00:16:03,125 --> 00:16:06,458 generating G-forces no human could withstand. 370 00:16:06,458 --> 00:16:08,417 It's the kind of inexplicable maneuver 371 00:16:08,417 --> 00:16:12,125 we've come to associate with UFOs, from foo fighters 372 00:16:12,125 --> 00:16:14,792 to those encountered more recently by Navy pilots, 373 00:16:14,792 --> 00:16:16,333 to this very video. 374 00:16:18,083 --> 00:16:19,542 Both the foo fighters legend 375 00:16:19,542 --> 00:16:22,542 and the modern footage shot by Captain Delgado 376 00:16:22,542 --> 00:16:24,000 remain mysteries. 377 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,208 How will this German orb footage 378 00:16:26,208 --> 00:16:28,542 hold up to our experts' scrutiny? 379 00:16:28,542 --> 00:16:30,875 Time for our team to dig in and find out. 380 00:16:30,875 --> 00:16:33,208 (tense music) 381 00:16:34,458 --> 00:16:37,542 Is it possible all these highly maneuverable UFOs 382 00:16:37,542 --> 00:16:41,000 are a single type of craft and this is one of them? 383 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,208 First, physicist Matthew Szydagis 384 00:16:43,208 --> 00:16:45,208 dissects the motion of the object. 385 00:16:45,208 --> 00:16:48,000 - It does seem to be going extremely fast 386 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:52,417 and also at one point, executes a remarkable turn. 387 00:16:53,375 --> 00:16:55,000 - [Tony] That single hairpin turn 388 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,125 might match foo fighter reports, 389 00:16:57,125 --> 00:16:58,625 but Szydagis is quick to point out 390 00:16:58,625 --> 00:17:01,167 the object doesn't repeat the impressive move 391 00:17:01,167 --> 00:17:03,333 the way alleged foo fighters did. 392 00:17:03,333 --> 00:17:07,042 - The object appears to move in a straight line. 393 00:17:07,042 --> 00:17:11,292 It doesn't do anything particularly spectacular. 394 00:17:11,292 --> 00:17:15,333 Foo fighters were known to track aircraft 395 00:17:15,333 --> 00:17:22,583 and I don't see this ball or circle tracking any aircraft. 396 00:17:22,583 --> 00:17:25,375 So, I don't think that this is a foo fighter. 397 00:17:26,375 --> 00:17:29,292 - [Tony] So if it's not a foo fighter, could it be a meteor? 398 00:17:29,292 --> 00:17:31,750 Szydagis says timing is everything. 399 00:17:31,750 --> 00:17:33,458 - This is a time-lapse video, 400 00:17:33,458 --> 00:17:36,125 which means that we're looking at the sun 401 00:17:36,125 --> 00:17:39,250 setting over a long period of time. 402 00:17:39,250 --> 00:17:41,667 If that's the case, 403 00:17:41,667 --> 00:17:46,042 this is way too slow, actually, to be a meteor. 404 00:17:46,042 --> 00:17:47,958 - [Tony] Most meteors are visible for seconds, 405 00:17:47,958 --> 00:17:49,667 burning up in a flash. 406 00:17:49,667 --> 00:17:52,333 So the revelation that this is a time-lapse video 407 00:17:52,333 --> 00:17:54,375 rules that out altogether. 408 00:17:54,375 --> 00:17:56,542 The skip in time from the time-lapse 409 00:17:56,542 --> 00:17:59,125 could also explain the erratic movement. 410 00:17:59,125 --> 00:18:02,250 So, it's not a meteor or an alien spacecraft. 411 00:18:02,250 --> 00:18:05,375 Could it be a non-alien spacecraft like a satellite? 412 00:18:05,375 --> 00:18:07,375 - This could not be a satellite 413 00:18:07,375 --> 00:18:09,292 because it's still way too bright 414 00:18:09,292 --> 00:18:11,833 to see even the brightest satellites. 415 00:18:11,833 --> 00:18:15,167 Satellites do come out at sunset, 416 00:18:15,167 --> 00:18:17,542 but only after the sun goes down. 417 00:18:17,542 --> 00:18:19,750 - [Tony] Instead, astronomer Marc D'Antonio 418 00:18:19,750 --> 00:18:22,833 thinks the object is something inside the camera. 419 00:18:22,833 --> 00:18:24,542 - Here's the thing with cameras, 420 00:18:24,542 --> 00:18:26,375 whenever you point them into the sun, 421 00:18:26,375 --> 00:18:29,417 you're gonna get things you don't expect or don't want 422 00:18:29,417 --> 00:18:32,000 because the sun is immensely brighter 423 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:35,250 than anything else in the field of view. 424 00:18:35,250 --> 00:18:37,375 So if this is something up in the sky, 425 00:18:37,375 --> 00:18:39,667 as soon as it starts to go down toward the horizon, 426 00:18:39,667 --> 00:18:41,083 it should slow down. 427 00:18:41,083 --> 00:18:42,458 To your eye, it's not. 428 00:18:42,458 --> 00:18:45,375 It stays the exact same speed. 429 00:18:45,375 --> 00:18:49,292 That tells me that it's probably a camera artifact of some kind. 430 00:18:50,167 --> 00:18:52,458 (tense music) 431 00:18:54,208 --> 00:18:56,875 - Our verdict, lens flare, 432 00:18:56,875 --> 00:18:59,208 or another kind of camera artifact. 433 00:18:59,208 --> 00:19:00,750 We wish we could say this video 434 00:19:00,750 --> 00:19:03,875 brought us closer to an answer on the foo fighter legend, 435 00:19:03,875 --> 00:19:05,000 but not this time. 436 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:06,375 Those mysteries continue. 437 00:19:10,375 --> 00:19:11,583 - Now, we go from the air to the ocean. 438 00:19:11,583 --> 00:19:13,417 On this show, we love nothing more 439 00:19:13,417 --> 00:19:15,375 than a good, deep sea mystery, 440 00:19:15,375 --> 00:19:18,208 especially when there's a very large creature involved. 441 00:19:18,208 --> 00:19:21,250 And this next video is so mind-bending, 442 00:19:21,250 --> 00:19:23,292 it would have Jules Verne himself saying, 443 00:19:23,292 --> 00:19:25,208 "Come on, Monsieur." 444 00:19:27,292 --> 00:19:30,375 2017, the Mediterranean Sea. 445 00:19:31,417 --> 00:19:34,708 A team working a debris sweep along ocean pipelines 446 00:19:34,708 --> 00:19:37,083 comes across what at first 447 00:19:37,083 --> 00:19:41,375 looks like just another deep sea carcass to be cleared away. 448 00:19:41,375 --> 00:19:46,125 But closer inspection reveals this is truly something unusual. 449 00:19:46,125 --> 00:19:48,583 What appears to be a 90-foot-long, dusty spine 450 00:19:48,583 --> 00:19:52,000 sits undisturbed on the bottom of the ocean. 451 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:53,792 A remote controlled crane reaches out 452 00:19:53,792 --> 00:19:55,250 to investigate the skeleton, 453 00:19:55,250 --> 00:19:58,542 turning over one of the vertebrae, which disintegrates. 454 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,792 British podcaster and investigator Debbie Hatswell 455 00:20:02,792 --> 00:20:05,583 was one of the first people to see this intriguing film 456 00:20:05,583 --> 00:20:08,333 after a member of the pipeline maintenance team 457 00:20:08,333 --> 00:20:09,875 reached out to her. 458 00:20:09,875 --> 00:20:12,750 - He said, "I've seen a lot of carcasses on the sea floor. 459 00:20:12,750 --> 00:20:15,500 And I've seen whale carcasses and all fish and all that, 460 00:20:15,500 --> 00:20:16,667 and it just doesn't fit. 461 00:20:16,667 --> 00:20:18,375 It doesn't fit with what they are." 462 00:20:18,375 --> 00:20:20,958 He's saying this is an anomaly. 463 00:20:20,958 --> 00:20:23,708 And he's felt that it was a very, very old animal 464 00:20:23,708 --> 00:20:24,875 of some kind. 465 00:20:24,875 --> 00:20:28,500 So I reached out to a number of marine biologists, 466 00:20:28,500 --> 00:20:31,292 and nobody really got back to me with it as to what it was. 467 00:20:31,292 --> 00:20:33,667 - [Tony] Field researcher Ken Gerhard 468 00:20:33,667 --> 00:20:36,708 explores the idea that perhaps these are the remains 469 00:20:36,708 --> 00:20:40,833 of a long extinct ocean predator, the dreaded megalodon. 470 00:20:40,833 --> 00:20:45,208 - In 2022, the Atlantic Shark Institute out of Rhode Island 471 00:20:45,208 --> 00:20:46,708 was deploying sonar 472 00:20:46,708 --> 00:20:49,250 when they encountered what they believed to be a shark 473 00:20:49,250 --> 00:20:51,417 of unbelievable proportions. 474 00:20:51,417 --> 00:20:54,375 Perhaps 50 to 60 feet in length. 475 00:20:54,375 --> 00:20:57,833 Now, if so, this would be the best account 476 00:20:57,833 --> 00:20:59,292 of a modern megalodon. 477 00:20:59,292 --> 00:21:00,667 - [Tony] The megalodon, 478 00:21:00,667 --> 00:21:02,417 a nautical nightmare that experts believe 479 00:21:02,417 --> 00:21:04,708 could weigh as much as 50 tons, 480 00:21:04,708 --> 00:21:07,375 has been thought extinct for nearly 3 million years. 481 00:21:07,375 --> 00:21:08,958 Have these Rhode Island researchers 482 00:21:08,958 --> 00:21:12,042 uncovered a modern day version of this historical monster? 483 00:21:12,042 --> 00:21:14,125 And if so, could we be looking 484 00:21:14,125 --> 00:21:16,708 at the remnants of one in this video? 485 00:21:16,708 --> 00:21:19,292 - This would certainly fit within the paradigm 486 00:21:19,292 --> 00:21:21,667 of what we know about megalodon. 487 00:21:21,667 --> 00:21:23,375 - [Tony] Gerhard also sees a connection 488 00:21:23,375 --> 00:21:24,667 between this discovery 489 00:21:24,667 --> 00:21:27,375 and the classic mythology of the region. 490 00:21:27,375 --> 00:21:29,333 - In Greek mythology, different sea monsters 491 00:21:29,333 --> 00:21:33,042 like Cetus, Charybdis, the Lernaean Hydra, 492 00:21:33,042 --> 00:21:35,542 were said to live throughout the Mediterranean Sea. 493 00:21:35,542 --> 00:21:37,708 - [Tony] And while there are many suspects, 494 00:21:37,708 --> 00:21:40,292 there's one sea dragon sighting in particular 495 00:21:40,292 --> 00:21:42,625 that Gerhard thinks could be connected. 496 00:21:42,625 --> 00:21:48,542 - In October 1907, fishermen on the island of Corsica 497 00:21:48,542 --> 00:21:50,583 claimed that they were terrorized 498 00:21:50,583 --> 00:21:53,417 by a horrible, 200-foot sea dragon 499 00:21:53,417 --> 00:21:55,542 that actually ripped apart their nets. 500 00:21:55,542 --> 00:21:59,458 And the fishermen were so scared to go back out and fish 501 00:21:59,458 --> 00:22:02,208 that they actually called on the government 502 00:22:02,208 --> 00:22:05,208 to bring in a torpedo boat in order to kill the monster. 503 00:22:05,208 --> 00:22:07,458 And that just happens to be the location 504 00:22:07,458 --> 00:22:11,375 where we've got this footage of a 90-foot spinal column. 505 00:22:14,500 --> 00:22:16,250 - Sea dragons can be found 506 00:22:16,250 --> 00:22:18,208 in all sorts of ancient texts and tales 507 00:22:18,208 --> 00:22:20,583 dating back thousands of years. 508 00:22:20,583 --> 00:22:23,042 From Norse mythology's Midgard serpent 509 00:22:23,042 --> 00:22:26,333 to the ancient Babylonian's saltwater dragon Tiamat, 510 00:22:26,333 --> 00:22:28,250 who many say was rebranded 511 00:22:28,250 --> 00:22:30,917 as the Leviathan in the Old Testament, 512 00:22:30,917 --> 00:22:32,708 is there a connection here? 513 00:22:32,708 --> 00:22:36,875 Let's see if our experts can help slay this oceanic mystery. 514 00:22:36,875 --> 00:22:38,958 (tense music) 515 00:22:40,917 --> 00:22:44,083 Marine biologist Dr. Shea Steingass strongly doubts 516 00:22:44,083 --> 00:22:47,542 these are the remains of a sea dragon of ancient myth. 517 00:22:47,542 --> 00:22:50,958 - It's been hypothesized that this might be a sea dragon. 518 00:22:50,958 --> 00:22:52,542 That's probably not the case 519 00:22:52,542 --> 00:22:55,542 'cause we really don't have any scientific evidence 520 00:22:55,542 --> 00:22:57,792 of these creatures existing. 521 00:22:57,792 --> 00:23:00,250 - [Tony] Steingass also points to the fact 522 00:23:00,250 --> 00:23:02,708 that we can see what appears to be a pelvis, 523 00:23:02,708 --> 00:23:04,750 something not found in the numerous depictions 524 00:23:04,750 --> 00:23:06,542 of these serpent-like creatures. 525 00:23:06,542 --> 00:23:08,042 - What we're actually seeing here 526 00:23:08,042 --> 00:23:12,042 is a very old skeleton of some kind of modern animal. 527 00:23:12,042 --> 00:23:14,833 - [Tony] But the only documented modern marine animal 528 00:23:14,833 --> 00:23:17,542 that could possibly grow to this length would be a whale. 529 00:23:17,542 --> 00:23:19,375 Could that be what this is? 530 00:23:19,375 --> 00:23:21,125 - I would say the chances that this 531 00:23:21,125 --> 00:23:23,750 is a really large whale skeleton are really slim 532 00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:27,458 because we would likely see other types of large bones 533 00:23:27,458 --> 00:23:30,417 like a skull, if we were to see a spinal column. 534 00:23:30,417 --> 00:23:32,042 These remains aren't like anything 535 00:23:32,042 --> 00:23:33,667 I've really seen before. 536 00:23:33,667 --> 00:23:35,708 - [Tony] With Dr. Steingass at a loss, 537 00:23:35,708 --> 00:23:38,542 we checked with wildlife biologist Stephanie Manka 538 00:23:38,542 --> 00:23:40,875 to see if this could be a modern megalodon 539 00:23:40,875 --> 00:23:43,375 like the one thought to be discovered near Rhode Island. 540 00:23:43,375 --> 00:23:45,542 - If it were a megalodon, 541 00:23:45,542 --> 00:23:49,917 I wouldn't expect to see the bone as intact as this. 542 00:23:49,917 --> 00:23:53,875 Megalodons, like other sharks, instead of bone skeletons, 543 00:23:53,875 --> 00:23:57,208 they have cartilage skeletons which don't fossilize well. 544 00:23:57,208 --> 00:23:59,958 Bone contains minerals, whereas cartilage doesn't. 545 00:23:59,958 --> 00:24:02,250 Bones are much harder. 546 00:24:02,250 --> 00:24:04,042 And if you think about your ear, 547 00:24:04,042 --> 00:24:07,500 this part where it bends, is the cartilage, 548 00:24:07,500 --> 00:24:10,375 and that's what shark's skeletons are made of. 549 00:24:10,375 --> 00:24:11,958 - [Tony] When cartilage breaks down, 550 00:24:11,958 --> 00:24:14,083 it turns into a jelly-like substance 551 00:24:14,083 --> 00:24:15,833 that dissolves into the water, 552 00:24:15,833 --> 00:24:18,500 which is why the only proof we have for megalodons 553 00:24:18,500 --> 00:24:20,375 are their teeth. 554 00:24:20,375 --> 00:24:22,458 And as for that alleged megalodon spotted 555 00:24:22,458 --> 00:24:25,458 by the Atlantic Shark Institute of Rhode Island, 556 00:24:25,458 --> 00:24:28,042 further research indicates this sonar image 557 00:24:28,042 --> 00:24:31,042 is more likely a large school of Atlantic mackerel. 558 00:24:31,042 --> 00:24:33,417 So with all of our theories ruled out, 559 00:24:33,417 --> 00:24:35,250 what is Manka's best guess? 560 00:24:35,250 --> 00:24:37,875 - I believe that this is a whale. 561 00:24:37,875 --> 00:24:40,708 What is probably going on here is the whale skeleton 562 00:24:40,708 --> 00:24:43,042 has been on the ocean floor for so long 563 00:24:43,042 --> 00:24:47,417 that organisms have eaten away at the bone 564 00:24:47,417 --> 00:24:49,667 and there are fin whales in the Mediterranean, 565 00:24:49,667 --> 00:24:51,708 which are the second largest whale species. 566 00:24:51,708 --> 00:24:54,500 They usually don't get up to 30 meters, 567 00:24:54,500 --> 00:24:57,917 so there is a little size discrepancy, 568 00:24:57,917 --> 00:25:02,917 but everything else seems to elude that it is a whale. 569 00:25:04,042 --> 00:25:06,125 (tense music) 570 00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:10,375 - Our verdict, unknown sea beast. 571 00:25:10,375 --> 00:25:12,208 Stephanie Manka thinks it could be 572 00:25:12,208 --> 00:25:14,042 an abnormally large whale, 573 00:25:14,042 --> 00:25:17,917 but our marine biologist, Dr. Steingass, says no way. 574 00:25:17,917 --> 00:25:19,875 Until there is further investigation 575 00:25:19,875 --> 00:25:22,917 of the skeleton itself beyond this video evidence, 576 00:25:22,917 --> 00:25:25,000 these bones will remain a mystery. 577 00:25:28,875 --> 00:25:29,833 - Imagine you're in the open ocean. 578 00:25:30,333 --> 00:25:33,708 Visibility is good and there's nothing to see for miles. 579 00:25:33,708 --> 00:25:37,125 Then, out of nowhere, you hear a massive, guttural cry 580 00:25:37,125 --> 00:25:38,708 like some giant sea monster 581 00:25:38,708 --> 00:25:41,375 waking from a centuries-long slumber. 582 00:25:41,375 --> 00:25:42,958 Scary, right? 583 00:25:42,958 --> 00:25:45,042 Well, take a listen to our next story. 584 00:25:45,708 --> 00:25:47,792 It's March 1st, 1999, 585 00:25:47,792 --> 00:25:50,583 and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, 586 00:25:50,583 --> 00:25:53,667 or NOAA, is continuing its deep sea research 587 00:25:53,667 --> 00:25:55,542 along the frozen waters of Antarctica. 588 00:25:55,542 --> 00:25:57,875 As they record audio of the water 589 00:25:57,875 --> 00:26:00,375 using an autonomous hydrophone array, 590 00:26:00,375 --> 00:26:02,792 an unexpected sound emerges. 591 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,208 (cry resounding) 592 00:26:07,625 --> 00:26:10,417 We hear a strange, otherworldly moaning sound 593 00:26:10,417 --> 00:26:12,667 emanating from the bowels of the deep. 594 00:26:12,667 --> 00:26:15,750 (cry resounding) 595 00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:19,542 If some sea beast is making this noise, it has to be huge. 596 00:26:19,542 --> 00:26:21,583 The sound is loud enough to be heard 597 00:26:21,583 --> 00:26:23,333 over a range of 3,000 miles, 598 00:26:23,333 --> 00:26:26,375 but where it's coming from exactly, no one knows. 599 00:26:26,375 --> 00:26:28,792 (cry resounding) 600 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,875 Journalist Erin McCarthy says experts 601 00:26:31,875 --> 00:26:34,042 were confounded by this underwater roar. 602 00:26:34,042 --> 00:26:36,208 - It's believed to have originated 603 00:26:36,208 --> 00:26:39,333 between the Bransfield Straits and Cape Adare in Antarctica. 604 00:26:39,333 --> 00:26:42,875 The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration 605 00:26:42,875 --> 00:26:46,792 nicknamed this seriously loud noise the "Julia" sound. 606 00:26:46,792 --> 00:26:51,708 The Antarctic is home to plenty of wildlife, 607 00:26:51,708 --> 00:26:55,167 so one theory is that maybe a known creature 608 00:26:55,167 --> 00:26:58,375 created this loud sound. 609 00:26:58,375 --> 00:27:01,083 (cry resounding) 610 00:27:02,708 --> 00:27:05,167 - [Tony] In fact, the Antarctic waters are home 611 00:27:05,167 --> 00:27:08,125 to the largest and loudest documented animal in the world, 612 00:27:08,125 --> 00:27:10,708 the Atlantic blue whale. 613 00:27:10,708 --> 00:27:12,875 Weighing more than half a million pounds, 614 00:27:12,875 --> 00:27:16,250 the blue whale calls can be heard for hundreds of miles 615 00:27:16,250 --> 00:27:19,375 and can reach decibels louder than a jet engine. 616 00:27:19,375 --> 00:27:21,000 But according to Erin McCarthy, 617 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,542 theories began to emerge that the sound was made 618 00:27:23,542 --> 00:27:26,167 by something more monstrous. 619 00:27:26,167 --> 00:27:28,125 (cry resounding) 620 00:27:28,125 --> 00:27:30,167 - Some have wondered if the Julia noise 621 00:27:30,167 --> 00:27:33,625 is actually the sea monster, possibly the Kraken. 622 00:27:33,625 --> 00:27:35,417 - [Tony] The Kraken, 623 00:27:35,417 --> 00:27:38,375 one of the most legendary monsters of the deep, 624 00:27:38,375 --> 00:27:41,542 was a giant, multi-tentacled, squid-like creature 625 00:27:41,542 --> 00:27:44,375 that dominated the nightmares of sea folk 626 00:27:44,375 --> 00:27:45,625 since the 12th century. 627 00:27:46,708 --> 00:27:48,292 And while many consider the Kraken 628 00:27:48,292 --> 00:27:49,792 to be nothing more than a myth, 629 00:27:49,792 --> 00:27:52,875 recent discoveries of ichthyosaur dinosaur bones, 630 00:27:52,875 --> 00:27:54,708 some found right here in Antarctica, 631 00:27:54,708 --> 00:27:57,583 suggest something killed these 30-foot marine beasts 632 00:27:57,583 --> 00:28:00,542 by crushing their chests and twisting their necks 633 00:28:00,542 --> 00:28:02,375 by using large tentacles. 634 00:28:02,375 --> 00:28:04,167 - Could this be a Kraken? 635 00:28:05,833 --> 00:28:07,333 - Cape Adare is the site 636 00:28:07,333 --> 00:28:10,583 of the first documented landing on Antarctica. 637 00:28:10,583 --> 00:28:13,000 Norwegian explorers arrived there in 1895 638 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,292 and later built two huts there, 639 00:28:15,292 --> 00:28:18,333 the first known human structures erected on the continent. 640 00:28:18,333 --> 00:28:20,292 More than a hundred years later, 641 00:28:20,292 --> 00:28:22,375 what could be causing the mysterious sounds 642 00:28:22,375 --> 00:28:26,500 emanating from the depths of the continent's remote waters? 643 00:28:26,500 --> 00:28:28,750 (tense music) 644 00:28:30,042 --> 00:28:34,167 Marine biologist Shea Steingass vetoes the Kraken theory. 645 00:28:34,167 --> 00:28:37,333 - The Kraken, which is an incredibly large, 646 00:28:37,333 --> 00:28:39,250 squid-like sea monster, 647 00:28:39,250 --> 00:28:42,333 wouldn't even have the right organs or anatomy 648 00:28:42,333 --> 00:28:43,958 to make these sounds. 649 00:28:43,958 --> 00:28:46,167 Squids are just cephalopods. 650 00:28:46,167 --> 00:28:50,208 Cephalopods don't even really have vocal cords and lungs, 651 00:28:50,208 --> 00:28:53,833 because they're actually just ocean dwelling invertebrates. 652 00:28:53,833 --> 00:28:55,375 - [Tony] While all marine mammals 653 00:28:55,375 --> 00:28:56,917 can communicate with sound, 654 00:28:56,917 --> 00:29:00,542 as can certain fish and even loud clicking crustaceans, 655 00:29:00,542 --> 00:29:03,500 cephalopods remain stealthily silent. 656 00:29:03,500 --> 00:29:07,208 - So there's nothing on a Kraken or squid or octopus 657 00:29:07,208 --> 00:29:09,250 that can even make this kind of a sound. 658 00:29:09,250 --> 00:29:10,375 - [Tony] In any case, 659 00:29:10,375 --> 00:29:12,958 we checked with forensic sound expert Rob Maher, 660 00:29:12,958 --> 00:29:16,375 who first tests the Julia sound against the blue whale. 661 00:29:16,375 --> 00:29:19,208 - Comparing the frequency range of the the blue whale 662 00:29:19,208 --> 00:29:21,000 to the Julia sound, 663 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,875 the blue whale is at a lower frequency 664 00:29:22,875 --> 00:29:25,208 than the Julia sound. 665 00:29:25,208 --> 00:29:27,792 (deep resonating) 666 00:29:27,792 --> 00:29:31,000 (cry resounding) 667 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,875 The characteristics of a biological sound underwater 668 00:29:34,875 --> 00:29:38,792 don't match what we would see in the Julia sound. 669 00:29:38,792 --> 00:29:41,500 - [Tony] Maher also rules out mechanical sounds 670 00:29:41,500 --> 00:29:42,958 like deep sea drills, 671 00:29:42,958 --> 00:29:45,417 since those tend to be regular and rhythmic. 672 00:29:45,417 --> 00:29:47,250 This thing sure isn't. 673 00:29:47,250 --> 00:29:49,708 (machinery whirring) 674 00:29:49,708 --> 00:29:52,417 (cry resounding) 675 00:29:53,542 --> 00:29:55,000 So what does that leave us? 676 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,875 Maher thinks there's only one remaining possibility 677 00:29:57,875 --> 00:29:59,250 that makes sense. 678 00:29:59,250 --> 00:30:01,458 - It's likely from geological sources. 679 00:30:01,458 --> 00:30:03,083 (ice rumbling) 680 00:30:03,083 --> 00:30:06,167 We also have ice and glaciers that are entering the ocean. 681 00:30:06,167 --> 00:30:10,083 And the motion of the ice rubbing against other ice, 682 00:30:10,083 --> 00:30:13,208 or against the ground, or the ocean surface, 683 00:30:13,208 --> 00:30:14,833 will create sound. 684 00:30:14,833 --> 00:30:16,667 - [Tony] Icebergs make sounds? 685 00:30:16,667 --> 00:30:20,500 Turns out, we only discovered that in the past 25 years. 686 00:30:20,500 --> 00:30:23,750 In fact, these sounds are some of the loudest in the ocean. 687 00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:26,042 The equivalent of 200 super tankers 688 00:30:26,042 --> 00:30:29,542 on par with undersea volcanoes and earthquakes, 689 00:30:29,542 --> 00:30:32,583 and can be picked up thousands of kilometers away. 690 00:30:32,583 --> 00:30:35,583 - If we compare this sound shown here 691 00:30:35,583 --> 00:30:38,292 of an actual iceberg event... 692 00:30:38,292 --> 00:30:39,833 (ice rumbling) 693 00:30:39,833 --> 00:30:42,208 (cry resounding) 694 00:30:42,208 --> 00:30:44,250 The characteristics of this tone 695 00:30:44,250 --> 00:30:47,875 are similar to what we see in the Julia sound. 696 00:30:47,875 --> 00:30:50,167 (tense music) 697 00:30:51,625 --> 00:30:53,250 - Our verdict, icebergs. 698 00:30:53,250 --> 00:30:55,708 Such a massive sound like Julia 699 00:30:55,708 --> 00:30:58,208 requires a massive force behind it. 700 00:30:58,208 --> 00:31:01,417 And in Antarctica, nothing comes bigger. 701 00:31:01,417 --> 00:31:02,875 As for our Kraken, 702 00:31:02,875 --> 00:31:04,833 he will just have to stay dormant for now. 703 00:31:08,625 --> 00:31:09,833 - On this show, 704 00:31:10,125 --> 00:31:11,333 we've told you about rocks that grow, rocks that sail, 705 00:31:11,583 --> 00:31:15,208 and even rocks that look like encrypted alien messages. 706 00:31:15,208 --> 00:31:18,375 But have you ever heard of rocks that sing? 707 00:31:18,375 --> 00:31:19,583 Well, you're about to. 708 00:31:20,750 --> 00:31:24,208 It's July 2020, outside Butte, Montana. 709 00:31:24,208 --> 00:31:27,208 Photographer Nickolas Warner has traveled to Dry Mountain 710 00:31:27,208 --> 00:31:29,625 to witness one of the strangest natural wonders 711 00:31:29,625 --> 00:31:31,958 in Big Sky Country. 712 00:31:31,958 --> 00:31:34,375 His drone footage shows a massive pile 713 00:31:34,375 --> 00:31:36,042 of rust-colored boulders 714 00:31:36,042 --> 00:31:38,375 that seem oddly out of place in contrast 715 00:31:38,375 --> 00:31:41,250 with the drab gray of the rocks lying nearby. 716 00:31:41,250 --> 00:31:43,042 And when struck lightly with a hammer... 717 00:31:43,042 --> 00:31:46,125 (metallic ringing) 718 00:31:47,500 --> 00:31:50,167 Each boulder produces a bell like tone. 719 00:31:50,167 --> 00:31:52,708 - Some rocks, depending on where you hit them, 720 00:31:52,708 --> 00:31:54,417 they come up with a different sound. 721 00:31:54,417 --> 00:31:56,500 (metallic ringing) 722 00:31:56,500 --> 00:31:57,958 I'm still kind of baffled 723 00:31:57,958 --> 00:32:00,833 by how it was able to make such a loud, 724 00:32:00,833 --> 00:32:03,125 distinct ringing sound. 725 00:32:03,125 --> 00:32:06,167 For whatever reason, this specific pile of rocks 726 00:32:06,167 --> 00:32:09,042 has some sort of strange quality to it. 727 00:32:09,042 --> 00:32:12,458 (metallic ringing) 728 00:32:12,458 --> 00:32:14,250 - [Tony] What's especially strange 729 00:32:14,250 --> 00:32:16,500 is that when rocks have been removed from this site, 730 00:32:16,500 --> 00:32:18,208 they no longer ring. 731 00:32:18,208 --> 00:32:19,792 Nickolas says the whole area 732 00:32:19,792 --> 00:32:21,542 has a kind of creepy feeling to it. 733 00:32:21,542 --> 00:32:23,917 - It was that feeling where someone is watching you. 734 00:32:23,917 --> 00:32:25,375 It felt very uncanny. 735 00:32:25,375 --> 00:32:28,042 I would say that there's definitely 736 00:32:28,042 --> 00:32:30,583 some sort of mystical qualities to the area. 737 00:32:31,875 --> 00:32:33,583 - [Tony] The bell rocks of Montana 738 00:32:33,583 --> 00:32:34,875 aren't the only ancient stones 739 00:32:34,875 --> 00:32:38,542 to produce this unique brand of rock music. 740 00:32:38,542 --> 00:32:41,167 Many civilizations believe these areas, 741 00:32:41,167 --> 00:32:43,208 where rocks ring like they are hollow, 742 00:32:43,208 --> 00:32:45,875 were special places of great mystical 743 00:32:45,875 --> 00:32:48,292 and spiritual significance. 744 00:32:48,292 --> 00:32:50,375 Ringing rocks and gongs of various types 745 00:32:50,375 --> 00:32:53,917 and with differing sounds are found around the world 746 00:32:53,917 --> 00:32:56,417 at sites in the US, Mexico, 747 00:32:56,417 --> 00:32:59,917 Europe, Africa, India, and Australia. 748 00:33:02,208 --> 00:33:03,958 But where did these massive, 749 00:33:03,958 --> 00:33:07,000 seemingly out of place stones come from? 750 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,000 Author Jason Martell says some think 751 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,750 sound helped build the Egyptian pyramids 752 00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:13,833 and maybe move these rocks as well 753 00:33:13,833 --> 00:33:15,292 - Around the world, 754 00:33:15,292 --> 00:33:18,167 there's theories that using vibrational sound 755 00:33:18,167 --> 00:33:21,000 can actually levitate large stones. 756 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,542 I think that perhaps they were moved here 757 00:33:23,542 --> 00:33:27,083 using some type of a sound frequency. 758 00:33:27,083 --> 00:33:29,375 - [Tony] Experiments have proven it's possible 759 00:33:29,375 --> 00:33:33,083 to levitate objects by using high frequency sound waves 760 00:33:33,083 --> 00:33:34,875 to create a standing wave 761 00:33:34,875 --> 00:33:38,042 that acts as a force to counteract gravity. 762 00:33:38,042 --> 00:33:40,458 But can it work for something as big as boulders? 763 00:33:42,542 --> 00:33:44,833 There may be several sites around the world 764 00:33:44,833 --> 00:33:47,000 known for their ringing rocks, 765 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,875 but there has been less investigation 766 00:33:48,875 --> 00:33:50,917 into the special property of these stones 767 00:33:50,917 --> 00:33:52,667 than you would expect, 768 00:33:52,667 --> 00:33:55,042 especially considering that humans have used them 769 00:33:55,042 --> 00:33:57,375 as musical and ritualistic instruments 770 00:33:57,375 --> 00:33:59,625 since before written history. 771 00:33:59,625 --> 00:34:01,042 So what's going on here? 772 00:34:01,042 --> 00:34:04,042 Our experts leave no stone unturned. 773 00:34:04,042 --> 00:34:06,375 (tense music) 774 00:34:07,708 --> 00:34:09,083 We take the footage 775 00:34:09,083 --> 00:34:11,375 to our forensic audio analyst Dr. Rob Maher 776 00:34:11,375 --> 00:34:14,333 and deduce if the rocks were put here intentionally. 777 00:34:14,333 --> 00:34:17,292 First, he compares them to church bells. 778 00:34:17,292 --> 00:34:20,333 - The ringing rock have this characteristic here, 779 00:34:20,333 --> 00:34:24,375 which is loud and then it dies out as the ring goes away. 780 00:34:24,375 --> 00:34:27,125 (slowed metallic ringing) 781 00:34:28,208 --> 00:34:29,958 And for the church bells here... 782 00:34:29,958 --> 00:34:32,417 (bell ringing) 783 00:34:33,750 --> 00:34:36,583 We can see the same characteristic of the sound. 784 00:34:36,583 --> 00:34:39,875 We can see the start of that, and then the decay. 785 00:34:39,875 --> 00:34:41,792 So the two sounds are distinctive. 786 00:34:41,792 --> 00:34:43,833 Our ear can tell the difference, 787 00:34:43,833 --> 00:34:46,667 but they share many of the same kind of characteristics. 788 00:34:46,667 --> 00:34:49,417 - [Tony] So maybe these rocks were placed here on purpose 789 00:34:49,417 --> 00:34:52,417 to designate a spot as sacred as a church? 790 00:34:52,417 --> 00:34:54,708 But while the bell rocks share similar properties 791 00:34:54,708 --> 00:34:56,458 with a church bell, Maher says 792 00:34:56,458 --> 00:34:59,917 they don't show signs of being intentionally arranged. 793 00:34:59,917 --> 00:35:01,500 - The orchestral chimes will ring 794 00:35:01,500 --> 00:35:03,792 for a much longer period of time. 795 00:35:03,792 --> 00:35:06,083 (chimes ringing) 796 00:35:06,083 --> 00:35:07,708 They're designed very specifically 797 00:35:07,708 --> 00:35:10,375 to give that sustained sort of quality 798 00:35:10,375 --> 00:35:14,167 so that they will have a longer duration of vibration 799 00:35:14,167 --> 00:35:16,292 and give us a different sound quality 800 00:35:16,292 --> 00:35:19,708 than the random collection of minerals in that rock. 801 00:35:19,708 --> 00:35:22,417 - [Tony] So if nobody put these ringing rocks here, 802 00:35:22,417 --> 00:35:25,542 where'd they come from and why do they ring? 803 00:35:25,542 --> 00:35:28,042 NASA geologist Dr. Bob Anderson weighs in. 804 00:35:28,042 --> 00:35:30,083 - It looks like a pile of rocks that somebody 805 00:35:30,083 --> 00:35:31,667 might have dropped off, it's not. 806 00:35:31,667 --> 00:35:35,042 What it is, it's an old, what we call a plug or a batholith 807 00:35:35,042 --> 00:35:37,375 from a volcano that has been exposed 808 00:35:37,375 --> 00:35:39,250 and is breaking apart into all these pieces 809 00:35:39,250 --> 00:35:40,333 because of weathering. 810 00:35:40,333 --> 00:35:42,375 - [Tony] A batholith is a large mass 811 00:35:42,375 --> 00:35:44,042 of intrusive igneous rock, 812 00:35:44,042 --> 00:35:46,208 which forms from magma that's cooled 813 00:35:46,208 --> 00:35:48,958 after rising into the Earth's crust. 814 00:35:48,958 --> 00:35:50,958 Perhaps the most famous batholith 815 00:35:50,958 --> 00:35:53,708 is Half Dome in Yosemite National Park. 816 00:35:53,708 --> 00:35:56,417 Anderson says the secret behind the ringing 817 00:35:56,417 --> 00:35:58,333 is most likely a combination 818 00:35:58,333 --> 00:36:00,333 of the mineral composition of the rocks 819 00:36:00,333 --> 00:36:02,750 and the way joining patterns have developed 820 00:36:02,750 --> 00:36:04,500 as the rocks have eroded. 821 00:36:04,500 --> 00:36:06,583 That's why they only ring here. 822 00:36:06,583 --> 00:36:09,583 The resonance depends on how they are connected. 823 00:36:09,583 --> 00:36:12,042 - Most of these rocks are basalts, 824 00:36:12,042 --> 00:36:13,917 And basalts are igneous rocks 825 00:36:13,917 --> 00:36:16,458 that come up from the underground. 826 00:36:16,458 --> 00:36:19,208 What happens over the years, the rocks are breaking apart. 827 00:36:19,208 --> 00:36:22,250 Each of those rocks, as long as they're in connection, 828 00:36:22,250 --> 00:36:26,208 has that resonant standing wave that'll ring as a unit. 829 00:36:26,208 --> 00:36:28,167 But when you start seeing all these little pieces, 830 00:36:28,167 --> 00:36:30,208 now you're making up the orchestra. 831 00:36:30,208 --> 00:36:31,667 And so all the little pieces 832 00:36:31,667 --> 00:36:33,500 have a different pitch and different tone 833 00:36:33,500 --> 00:36:35,958 as they break apart and weather away. 834 00:36:35,958 --> 00:36:38,250 (tense music) 835 00:36:39,917 --> 00:36:43,667 - Our verdict, this is a natural geological phenomenon. 836 00:36:43,667 --> 00:36:45,500 But we still can't explain why people feel 837 00:36:45,500 --> 00:36:48,542 a mystical presence around the ringing rocks. 838 00:36:48,542 --> 00:36:51,375 If you make the trip out there, maybe you'll feel it too. 839 00:36:51,375 --> 00:36:54,292 Just make sure you leave the rocks as you find them. 840 00:36:58,125 --> 00:36:59,083 - In an earlier episode, 841 00:36:59,250 --> 00:37:00,167 we brought you a story of a ghoulish, 842 00:37:00,458 --> 00:37:03,375 unidentified creature that left us baffled. 843 00:37:03,375 --> 00:37:06,833 But thanks to our loyal viewers, new information has emerged 844 00:37:06,833 --> 00:37:10,542 that may help us solve this rather grotesque puzzle. 845 00:37:11,542 --> 00:37:14,375 While it remains uncertain where this footage was taken, 846 00:37:14,375 --> 00:37:16,458 the story supposedly first unfolded 847 00:37:16,458 --> 00:37:19,000 in a small village in Russia. 848 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,875 We're told a local farmer alleges 849 00:37:20,875 --> 00:37:25,000 that his home has been shaken by a large explosion nearby. 850 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,250 While looking for the source, 851 00:37:27,250 --> 00:37:29,958 the farmer stumbles upon this. 852 00:37:29,958 --> 00:37:33,750 Some remains that look nothing like the usual local wildlife. 853 00:37:35,375 --> 00:37:36,542 Take a good look. 854 00:37:36,542 --> 00:37:38,292 The creature has a strange head 855 00:37:38,292 --> 00:37:40,208 and an even stranger torso and limbs, 856 00:37:40,208 --> 00:37:42,875 and the state it's in is even more puzzling. 857 00:37:42,875 --> 00:37:45,208 It appears petrified. 858 00:37:45,208 --> 00:37:47,417 According to the source who gave us this video, 859 00:37:47,417 --> 00:37:50,208 the cause of the explosion was never found 860 00:37:50,208 --> 00:37:52,125 but residents of the town were more frightened 861 00:37:52,125 --> 00:37:55,292 by what this creature could portend for their village. 862 00:37:55,292 --> 00:37:56,708 In our first go around, 863 00:37:56,708 --> 00:37:58,458 journalist Erin McCarthy suggests 864 00:37:58,458 --> 00:38:01,250 that the answer may tie back to climate change. 865 00:38:01,250 --> 00:38:04,167 - Permafrost is melting in Russia 866 00:38:04,167 --> 00:38:05,417 and with that melting, 867 00:38:05,417 --> 00:38:07,875 all kinds of extinct creatures are popping up 868 00:38:07,875 --> 00:38:10,542 like mammoths and rhinos. 869 00:38:10,542 --> 00:38:13,000 - [Tony] Melting permafrost has revealed a plethora 870 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,042 of long forgotten life forms, 871 00:38:15,042 --> 00:38:17,375 from a 3,500-year-old mummified bear 872 00:38:17,375 --> 00:38:20,333 to potentially deadly ancient viruses. 873 00:38:20,333 --> 00:38:23,042 In fact, many think a deer carcass thawed in Siberia 874 00:38:23,042 --> 00:38:26,542 caused an anthrax outbreak throughout a remote village. 875 00:38:26,542 --> 00:38:28,417 Could this creature be the latest reveal 876 00:38:28,417 --> 00:38:30,000 from the permafrost? 877 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,917 We turn to our resident biologist, Dr. Floyd Hayes. 878 00:38:32,917 --> 00:38:36,542 - It's possible that this is an extinct species of animal 879 00:38:36,542 --> 00:38:40,625 that formerly lived in Russia that is no longer there today. 880 00:38:42,833 --> 00:38:45,708 - Our experts were stumped when they first saw this clip. 881 00:38:45,708 --> 00:38:47,083 But after running this piece, 882 00:38:47,083 --> 00:38:50,292 we got word from our most important armchair experts: 883 00:38:50,292 --> 00:38:51,583 You. 884 00:38:51,583 --> 00:38:53,708 And that changed everything. 885 00:38:53,708 --> 00:38:55,708 (tense music) 886 00:38:56,708 --> 00:38:58,667 After our first story aired, 887 00:38:58,667 --> 00:39:01,375 Joyce Driscoll, one of our eagle-eyed viewers, 888 00:39:01,375 --> 00:39:03,750 reached out to share some much needed intel. 889 00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:06,250 - The first time I saw that episode, 890 00:39:06,250 --> 00:39:08,917 I said, "I know what that is." 891 00:39:08,917 --> 00:39:13,083 I remembered this shop called The Witch's Shop in Bolivia. 892 00:39:13,083 --> 00:39:15,500 One of these things was hanging from the ceiling. 893 00:39:15,500 --> 00:39:17,708 It was a llama fetus. 894 00:39:17,708 --> 00:39:19,708 - [Tony] Wait a second, a llama fetus? 895 00:39:19,708 --> 00:39:21,583 And from Bolivia, not Russia? 896 00:39:21,583 --> 00:39:23,333 - They look exactly like that 897 00:39:23,333 --> 00:39:25,417 because they're actually hung by cords 898 00:39:25,417 --> 00:39:26,792 at the back of the neck, 899 00:39:26,792 --> 00:39:29,292 just like the one in your show is, 900 00:39:29,292 --> 00:39:31,667 and they're hanging all over that shop. 901 00:39:31,667 --> 00:39:34,333 The things in there were used for good luck 902 00:39:34,333 --> 00:39:38,125 or, you know, good harvest, bring rain, 903 00:39:38,125 --> 00:39:42,417 traditional, native-type stuff for the the local people. 904 00:39:42,417 --> 00:39:45,542 I don't know how a llama fetus could do all that, 905 00:39:45,542 --> 00:39:49,375 but that's what they said. (laughs) 906 00:39:49,375 --> 00:39:51,292 - [Tony] We checked back with Floyd Hayes 907 00:39:51,292 --> 00:39:53,125 about this surprising revelation. 908 00:39:53,125 --> 00:39:56,708 And after this second glance, he concurred with our viewer. 909 00:39:56,708 --> 00:40:00,000 - As it turns out, the creature was a llama fetus. 910 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,500 Llamas, they're preserved and kept by Bolivians. 911 00:40:03,500 --> 00:40:06,042 - [Tony] But Hayes feels no shame in being corrected 912 00:40:06,042 --> 00:40:07,500 by one of our audience members. 913 00:40:07,500 --> 00:40:08,875 - I was pleased to learn 914 00:40:08,875 --> 00:40:10,708 that the true identity of the animal 915 00:40:10,708 --> 00:40:12,833 was provided by a viewer of the show. 916 00:40:12,833 --> 00:40:14,625 - [Tony] As for our viewer Joyce, 917 00:40:14,625 --> 00:40:16,833 the respect is more than mutual. 918 00:40:16,833 --> 00:40:19,417 - I did not mean to one-up your experts. 919 00:40:19,417 --> 00:40:21,417 They do a fantastic job on your show 920 00:40:21,417 --> 00:40:23,458 and that's one of the reasons I watch it, 921 00:40:23,458 --> 00:40:26,042 because I like that expert opinion. 922 00:40:26,042 --> 00:40:28,167 (tense music) 923 00:40:29,708 --> 00:40:32,333 - Our new verdict, llama fetus. 924 00:40:32,333 --> 00:40:35,000 Our intrepid viewers may have solved this one 925 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,333 and raised serious doubts 926 00:40:36,333 --> 00:40:39,000 about where this footage came from. 927 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,833 Russia? I don't know. 928 00:40:40,833 --> 00:40:43,208 Bolivia seems much more likely. 929 00:40:43,208 --> 00:40:44,792 This much we do know, 930 00:40:44,792 --> 00:40:47,250 we couldn't have explained this story without your help. 931 00:40:47,250 --> 00:40:48,792 And that's our show for tonight. 932 00:40:48,792 --> 00:40:52,000 If you have any tips for us, we'd love to hear from you. 933 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:56,042 So drop us a line and keep those cameras rolling. 934 00:40:56,042 --> 00:40:58,417 (dramatic music)