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-In the glamorous world
of fashion,
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supermodels in the '90s
seemed to have it all.
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-The more that I saw them
in the magazines,
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the more I felt the powerful
pull of wanting to be like them.
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-But young girls, lured by
the glitz and glamour,
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discover a seedy underbelly.
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-I blacked out; I don't remember
anything after that.
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-I definitely remember hearing
whispers of things
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that were not cool.
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-Where powerful predators
hunt with impunity.
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-You are being watched
all the time.
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-He was the hot shot
of the modeling world, you know,
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and I was a nobody.
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- What happens if you say no?
- You don't work.
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-People only knew
the tip of the iceberg.
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-It's kind of like the wolves
running the chicken house.
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{\an8}-For decades, models have
influenced fashion and culture,
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but in the '90s,
they become so celebrated
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that their names are bigger than
the designers they work for.
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In January of 1990,
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Vogue magazine
puts Naomi Campbell,
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Christy Turlington,
Linda Evangelista,
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Cindy Crawford
and Tatjana Patitz
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Petites on the cover,
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inspiring George Michael
to cast them in his
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chart-topping music video
"Freedom."
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-And it's exactly at that moment
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that the '90s supermodel
phenomenon is born.
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Fashion shows went from being
little events,
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with, you know,
two editors from Vogue,
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two editors from
Harper's Bazaar,
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maybe there was
one television camera.
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Suddenly there were
a hundred TV cameras
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in what were still
little tiny rooms.
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You know, you... you sat there,
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from my privileged
front row perch,
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going, "What the...
is going on?!"
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{\an8}My name is Michael Gross
and I'm a journalist
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{\an8}and an author of books
about rich people,
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{\an8}real estate and fashion.
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A supermodel is a model
whose name is known by people
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who are not
in the fashion world...
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That if a jock drinking beer
at the University of Indiana
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has a poster of that girl
on his wall,
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she's a supermodel
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because he doesn't know
what a dolman sleeve is.
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He, you know, he just knows,
"Oh, look, that's a hot girl."
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-I had the pleasure of working
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with almost all of
the '90s supermodels,
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so I lived
with Christy Turlington
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and worked with Cindy and Naomi,
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and I worked with
all of those women.
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They were coworkers.
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{\an8}My name is Monika Schnarre
and I am a model from the '90s
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{\an8}as well as an actor
and entrepreneur.
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I look on that time fondly.
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-It was an awesome time to be
in the modeling business.
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{\an8}My name is Marie P. Anderson
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{\an8}and I was a former agent
inside of Elite Chicago.
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We were making money,
I was scouting amazing models,
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we were managing
their careers worldwide.
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-All of the top models,
they kind of defined
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this glamorous, successful world
of not just being a model,
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but like a supermodel,
like a superhero.
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The supermodels or the top
models would be the ones
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that would be
in a more powerful position
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to demand better treatment,
lower commissions, better jobs.
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But they're so rare, right?
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Like, that's not the typical
experience of most models.
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{\an8}I'm Ashley Mears.
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{\an8}I am a sociology professor
at Boston University.
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{\an8}I used to be a model as well
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{\an8}with Elite.
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-Aspiring models
begin lining up,
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hoping to mirror the success of
the newly crowned supermodels,
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but the '90 stars of the runway
obscures some dark realities
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about modeling exposed
just years before.
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-How many teenage models who
start out have you slept with?
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-Uh...
What you mean by teenage?
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-In 1988, "60 Minutes" accuses
some top agents
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of sleeping
with their young models,
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but the agents shift the blame
back onto the girls.
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-When French girls start to
play with her body,
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she knows that
she can have problem,
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she can have, start to have
problem with men.
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-In this hand, they have
your career,
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and in his hand
they have what they want,
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and your career can go up
if they get what they want.
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If they don't get it,
your career goes down.
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-But with a handful of models
now reaching superstar status,
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agents become
even more powerful.
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In the early '90s, two agencies
rule the modeling world:
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Elite model management in Paris,
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started by John Casablancas
in 1972;
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and Ford Models in New York,
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founded by Eileen Ford
and her husband in 1946.
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The two agencies approach
the business very differently.
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-Eileen Ford was considered
more conservative,
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more traditional,
a little more tame.
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She wasn't the party animal.
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And here comes
this literal Casanova,
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John Casablancas...
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Handsome, young, well dressed,
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coming in with money,
creating a splash.
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-If you thought about
what a Ford model was,
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{\an8}it was a demure blonde
who didn't speak,
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{\an8}wearing a twin set and pearls.
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You get to John Casablancas
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and it's Patti Hansen
on all fours
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in a pair of Calvin Klein jeans
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with her butt up in the air.
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John also understood
that these girls were stars.
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-On the cover of People
magazine.
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Look at this right here,
the sexiest...
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The sexiest couple alive.
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-Supermodel Naomi Campbell stars
with Michael Jackson
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in his latest video.
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-John Casablancas brought
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the entertainment business
into the modeling business.
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-With an ocean between Ford
in America and Elite in Europe,
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the companies dominate
their regions,
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managing the most
successful models in the world.
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-Both Eileen Ford
and her husband, Jerry,
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have been successfully
convincing advertisers
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to the tune of
$30 million a year
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that Ford model is the perfect
person to sell their products.
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-Then Casablancas in Paris
decides to invade America.
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-John Casablancas was ambitious,
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and he lied to Eileen Ford,
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told her he wasn't
going to open in New York,
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and then he not only opened
in New York,
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but he stole staff and models
from Eileen Ford.
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-Competition grows between
the two agencies,
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each fighting to sign
the next "it girl."
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-Looking for new models
is happening every year.
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It's incredible, the fantastic
new team of girls that's coming.
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-In his battle
to transform Elite
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into a dominating
worldwide agency,
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John Casablancas is joined
by Gerald Marie,
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the president of Elite in Paris.
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-Gerald Marie was like,
you know,
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the... the really important
shortstop on the team
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that nobody talked about,
who figures he can make a buck
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and also date
lots of fashion models.
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-Which he does.
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He even marries
Linda Evangelista,
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one of the most
successful models in the world.
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-Elite model management
during the '90s
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was seriously one of the most
powerful brands in the world.
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John Casablancas,
Gerald Marie...
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They yielded probably
the most powerful positions
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that an agent could hold
in the industry.
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-The making of a supermodel.
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-Together, Casablancas and Marie
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create a competition for models
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already within the agency called
"Look of the Year."
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-The Elite
"Look of the Year" contest
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evolved in the early '90s.
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It was very exciting.
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There was a lot of press.
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It was very glamorous.
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-During the day, the contestants
walked the runway,
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but by night they are expected
to stroll into dinners
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and parties
hosted by influential men.
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-The judging is taking place
all the time,
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and that's true.
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You are being watched
all the time.
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-John made it exciting,
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and he made sure that everybody
knew that his objective
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was to create huge models
out of anybody
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that were going to be
part of the competition.
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-I'm Lisa Shropshire and I'm 15!
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- And what position did you come?
- I came first!
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-Ford launches
its own competition
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designed to raise the profiles
of its currently signed models:
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Ford's "supermodel of the World"
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launches the careers of girls
as young as 14.
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-It was a day
that changed my life.
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-Monika just turned 14
when she's selected
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by Eileen Ford
to represent Canada.
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-There's a reason why this lady
is smiling...
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{\an8}she just won a quarter
of a million dollar
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{\an8}modeling contract
from Ford agency.
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{\an8}-And wins the grand prize
of a Vogue cover shoot.
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-I won three months
after I walked into the agency
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and six months later
I was on the cover of Vogue.
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It was that fast.
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I know.
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I was going to go with Elite,
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but my mom was most comfortable
with Ford
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because my mom
wanted me to be with a woman.
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-Monika finds success
right away,
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and her story fuels the dreams
of other young girls
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that it can happen to them
just as quickly.
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-The more that I saw all of
the top models in the magazines,
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the more I liked them,
and, like,
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really felt, you know,
like the kind of powerful pull
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of wanting to be like them.
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-Do you dream of being a model?
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Want to walk
the high fashion runways?
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-Before she signs with Elite,
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tall, thin 15-year-old
Ashley Mears
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applies to Model Search America,
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a contest not organized
by Elite or Ford,
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but still claiming to be able
to help regular girls
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catch their big break.
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-Model Search America can help
you make them come true.
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-We went, like,
on a school night
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and you go for the first...
The first screening.
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Basically, if you showed up,
they told you,
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yes, you have what it takes.
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-Events like
Model Search America
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are largely
moneymaking opportunities,
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leveraging the popularity
of supermodels.
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Still, the big agencies have
their own reasons to attend.
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-A lot of agents are very
willing to come to these events
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because the agents
want to see one another.
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So it's a networking event
for the agents.
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And then the... you know,
what bankrolls it all
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are kids like me
and their parents.
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-Fifteen year old Ashley
is approached by a scout
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with Elite model management.
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-I told them, like,
how excited I was
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about all of the models
that worked at Elite.
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I was really enamored
with the idea that,
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like, "It's happening,"
like, "this...
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This... i-it's all coming
together for me," right?
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-Elite and Ford have the power
to change a young girl's life.
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They say with great power
comes great responsibility,
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but not always.
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-I definitely remember hearing
whispers of things
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that were not cool.
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-As rumors of this
uncool behavior
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begin circulating
in the modeling world,
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some very familiar names
get mentioned.
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-I knew about John Casablancas,
Gerald Marie.
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I knew about the big names.
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But suddenly I was hearing about
people like John-Luc Brunel.
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-As president of Karin Models
in Paris,
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Jean-Luc Brunel has a reputation
for launching models' careers
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and for starting trouble.
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-There were rumors about
Jean-Luc
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and... and John Casablancas,
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but I wasn't alone
with them ever.
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People knew that, you know,
they were playboys.
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-While today the term "playboy"
is loaded and problematic,
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in the '90s, many wealthy men
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were only too willing
to celebrate
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both their financial success
and their sexual conquests.
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-Where the trouble started
was agencies in Europe
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that were run by guys who had
more than money on their mind.
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{\an8}-I'm Thysia Huisman,
I'm an author,
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{\an8}I wrote a book called Close-Up,
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{\an8}and it's a memoir about
what happened to me as a model.
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-At 18, Thysia is scouted
in Brussels.
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Modest, she is surprised, then
excited about the possibilities
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when Jean-Luc Brunel
notices her.
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-He was the king of the modeling
industry at that time.
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He met me, he was like,
"Oh, you should come to Paris,
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and I see a lot
of potential in you,
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and you can stay
also in my apartment
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and I will make sure
nothing bad happens to you."
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-But Thysia says
very bad things did happen.
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-Just as grunge music finds
its way onto the runway,
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{\an8}'90s supermodels find their way
into music videos.
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{\an8}Helena Christensen gets steamy
with Chris Isaak
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{\an8}in the "Wicked Game" video.
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{\an8}George Michael gets "Too Funky"
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{\an8}with Linda Evangelista and Tyra.
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{\an8}And while Naomi Campbell
is captivating
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{\an8}and Michael Jackson's
"In the Closet,"
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{\an8}RuPaul pulls it all together
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{\an8}with the beloved anthem
"Supermodel."
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{\an8}-♪ Sashay, shantay ♪
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-All of this attention
is music to the ears
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of young modeling hopefuls,
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especially those looking
for a better life.
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-I had a kind of
lonely childhood.
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{\an8}I was raised by my father
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{\an8}and my mother died
when I was really young.
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{\an8}So I thought that being a model,
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you know,
being in front of a camera
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would give me kind of attention
and being in the limelight,
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and that that really sounded
appealing to me.
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-But when Dutch model
Thysia Huisman
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wins a local modeling contest,
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it's not life changing
in the way she imagined.
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-They said to me, "Oh, well,
congratulations, you won,
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but you're still really young,
but that's good, you know,
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because you have to lose
the puppy fat."
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So, um, yeah,
I lost a lot of weight
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and it left me
with an eating disorder.
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{\an8}-There is a lot of agents
that are messed up in the head
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and they're in control
of these young girls.
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You've got agents
grabbing girls' butts
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and saying "you're fat";
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agents telling girls
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to eat cotton balls?!
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It's kind of like the wolves
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really running
the chicken house.
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-Even though...
Or perhaps because...
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Thysia drops to
a dangerously low weight,
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she catches the eye of top
modeling agent Jean-Luc Brunel.
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-You know, he promised me
like a pot of gold
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and... and he said that he
could, like,
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make me a supermodel.
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He also said to me, like,
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"Oh, you should come
to Paris right away."
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I told my agent in Belgium that
I was, like, kind of concerned
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that... if this was the right
thing to do, and she said,
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"No, you know, this is really
only for the special girls
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that he sees a lot of
potential in that...
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And only they can stay
in his apartment."
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Paris is... is the place
to be as a model.
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So I was like, "Okay, if she
says so, then I'll go there."
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-When Thysia arrives in Paris,
she quickly learns
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that her success may be tied
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to more
than her modeling skills.
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-There was this party that
started in Brunel's place.
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This guy started talking to me,
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and I remember
that he said to me, like,
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"Oh, well, you should be
really honored that Brunel,
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he sees a lot
of potential in you.
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And it's important to...
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If you want to succeed
as a model in Paris,
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that you are willing to do
anything, you know,
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like you are really like to...
To take the extra steps."
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-Ashley is also about
to experience
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the modeling world in Europe.
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-I had what is probably the more
typical experience
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of somebody...
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{\an8}somebody's encounter
with the modeling industry
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{\an8}in the '90s, it was, you know,
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consuming the dream from afar
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in this little
commercial market of Atlanta.
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-After years of modeling
in shopping mall fashion shows,
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when Ashley's agent at Elite
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asked her to go to Milan
for six weeks of auditions,
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she's excited
what her future holds.
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-Coming from the suburbs,
I was like ready to experience
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all of this stuff
that I fantasized
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was going to be super cool
and glamorous.
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-Thysia and Ashley show up
ready to do the hard work
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necessary to land jobs
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in the fashion capitals
of Paris and Milan.
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-I remember that I was
with my backpack
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and my portfolio under my arm,
and I was really like,
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"Wow," you know, "this is
everything I ever dreamed of."
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-I've had fantasies
that I would make a lot of money
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or I could be, you know,
seen by the right client.
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You know, what if Prada saw me
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and I could be
the face of Prada?
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-Booking jobs in Europe can make
or break a modeling career.
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But for many young models,
being a teenager far from home
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and trying to begin
a grown-up career
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can be both overwhelming
and disorienting.
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{\an8}-To look 30
and to be, you know, 14,
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{\an8}'cause my height
and when I'm made up,
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I was always treated
like a woman.
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But emotionally
and intellectually,
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my emotional intelligence
wasn't there yet.
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-I showed up in very hot Milan.
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Some, you know, nice young man
met me at the airport,
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introduced himself as intended,
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got me a cappuccino and drove me
around for my castings.
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And then when dropping me home,
was like,
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"Oh, we're going for a dinner
tonight with the agents
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and all of the other girls.
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And then we're going
to go to a party."
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And I was like, "Amazing!
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This is like...
This guy is so cool," right?
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And then I understood
after a couple of weeks
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that it was like
that every night in Milan
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and that he didn't work
for the agency,
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he actually worked
for a nightclub.
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He's one of the promoters
that the clubs hire
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to bring the girls.
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-Ashley's experience in Milan
is not unique.
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-You are in these
incredible clubs,
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and there you see also people
I only knew from movies
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and... and, like, pop stars.
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So of course, I felt starstruck
and also,
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you don't have to pay anything
because everything is paid for.
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-Of course, there's no
such thing as a free anything,
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there's always
an expectation of reciprocity.
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So the models are paying back
with their presence
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in these places
to beautify them,
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to make them look fashionable
so that the cafe or the club
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can also capitalize
on the beauty.
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-Some women were very...
Or young women
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were very, um, you know,
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focused on the work.
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And then there were others that,
um, just had the best time.
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I was in awe of these girls
just partying all night
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and showing up the next day,
and they could work.
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-But isolated and alone,
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the nightlife can become
a lifeline.
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-Think about the population
of models coming through cities
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like New York or Milan...
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It's also highly transient,
it's young people,
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it's people who don't have
their networks
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already established
in these places.
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I wasn't connected
to anybody else in Milan,
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and here was this cool guy
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who was offering me access to,
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you know, cool places
that I wouldn't otherwise know
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even where to look for,
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couldn't afford to eat in them,
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even if I knew where they were.
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And then he was introducing me
to everybody.
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So it was like this instant
network that I could connect to.
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-On one hand, it was like
everything I ever wanted,
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you know, to become a model,
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but was also really lonely
because you weren't...
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You were always on your own,
you know?
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You don't have, like, colleagues
you work in an office with.
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-And while the nightlife
helps ease Thysia's loneliness,
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when the sun goes down,
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things also become
more dangerous.
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-Brunel, he had two sides,
because during the day
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he was really charismatic
and really charming,
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but he had also another side.
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And that was especially
in the evenings
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and the night...
He became sexual harassing.
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His behavior, that was not okay,
you know,
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and I didn't feel safe.
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And... but on the other hand,
I thought, yeah,
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I can handle this guy, you know?
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-Please meet the exquisite
Naomi Campbell!
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Naomi!
- By the start of the '90s,
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the girls of the decade
are popping up everywhere,
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even on "Oprah," and they're
endorsing countless products.
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Cindy Crawford stars in this
Super Bowl commercial for Pepsi.
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{\an8}♪♪
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{\an8}Kate Moss becomes the face
of Calvin Klein...
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{\an8}And Christy Turlington
gets paid six figures
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{\an8}for 12 days of work
on a Maybelline campaign.
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-Is it true that...
That supermodels get paid
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that enormous amount of money,
£10,000 a day?
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{\an8}-I never discuss money, ever.
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-One supermodel will:
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Linda Evangelista
famously let it slip
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in an interview
that she doesn't get out of bed
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for less than $10,000.
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-And suddenly the models
were like,
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"Wait, 10,000?
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Hmm. How about 25,000?
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Maybe 50,000?"
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So then it just took
on a life of its own.
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-The era of a few high paid
supermodels means agents
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like Jean-Luc Brunel
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are bombarded
with many beautiful young girls
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looking for that
same kind of success.
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But that bright light
focused on the few
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continues to blind the many
to the warnings about men like
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Jean-Luc delivered
in the not-too-distant past.
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- He gave you a drink?
- Yes.
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- You drank it and then what?
- I blacked out.
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I don't remember
anything after that.
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-The next thing
you remember was?
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-Was being in this man's bed.
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-Who was he?
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-Do I have to say the name?
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It was Jean-Luc.
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- You were raped.
- Yes, I do know that.
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-The 1988 Diane Sawyer exposé
on "60 Minutes"
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accused top modeling agent
Jean-Luc Brunel
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of sexual assault,
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but no legal action is pursued,
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attention recedes, and Brunel
continues to flourish.
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{\an8}-I remember when that came out,
it was... it was a big deal.
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00:23:37,666 --> 00:23:39,769
{\an8}It's... it's all anyone
talked about.
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And I understood now why my mom
wouldn't let me go stay
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at Jean-Luc's house in Paris,
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00:23:46,717 --> 00:23:50,071
and why my mom didn't want me
to be with John Casablancas
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and she wanted me
to be with a woman.
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00:23:54,725 --> 00:23:57,746
-Despite the accusations,
the fashion industry chooses
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to treat them like last season's
collection and moves on.
483
00:24:02,900 --> 00:24:04,836
{\an8}-Everybody in the industry knew,
484
00:24:04,860 --> 00:24:08,006
{\an8}all the agents, they knew,
you know, and they couldn't...
485
00:24:08,030 --> 00:24:10,550
{\an8}they didn't care
because they made money.
486
00:24:10,574 --> 00:24:12,093
So they looked the other way.
487
00:24:12,117 --> 00:24:15,263
-Unfazed, Jean-Luc Brunel
learned to adapt
488
00:24:15,287 --> 00:24:18,308
and continues business as usual.
489
00:24:18,332 --> 00:24:20,727
{\an8}-Eventually, Jean-Luc Brunel
leaves Karin's.
490
00:24:20,751 --> 00:24:22,437
{\an8}And what does he do?
491
00:24:22,461 --> 00:24:24,880
He starts a whole 'nother group
of modeling agencies.
492
00:24:26,965 --> 00:24:32,113
-When you put very powerful men
into a room
493
00:24:32,137 --> 00:24:37,243
with literally hundreds
of teenage girls
494
00:24:37,267 --> 00:24:39,204
that are desperate,
495
00:24:39,228 --> 00:24:42,290
I mean desperate,
to become successful
496
00:24:42,314 --> 00:24:44,751
and be on the cover of Vogue,
497
00:24:44,775 --> 00:24:47,921
and they don't have
any parental supervision,
498
00:24:47,945 --> 00:24:53,134
{\an1}knowing that those men can make
the difference in their careers,
499
00:24:53,158 --> 00:24:57,097
the girls will just
kind of morph
500
00:24:57,121 --> 00:25:01,518
to whatever is happening
in that environment at the time,
501
00:25:01,542 --> 00:25:05,980
thinking, "This is
the way it happens.
502
00:25:06,004 --> 00:25:10,342
This is what you have to do
to become successful."
503
00:25:12,386 --> 00:25:16,658
-During her week-long stay
at Jean-Luc Brunel's in '91,
504
00:25:16,682 --> 00:25:19,661
Thysia is starting
to recognize a pattern.
505
00:25:19,685 --> 00:25:21,538
-Every night
there were like dinners;
506
00:25:21,562 --> 00:25:23,707
as a guest, you had to attend,
507
00:25:23,731 --> 00:25:27,252
and the seating
was always like this...
508
00:25:27,276 --> 00:25:30,046
Was a man and then a model,
509
00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:32,799
man, model, man, model,
man, model, you know?
510
00:25:32,823 --> 00:25:34,342
So you were like...
511
00:25:34,366 --> 00:25:36,678
And I...
I realized already back then
512
00:25:36,702 --> 00:25:39,848
that, you know,
you were entourage.
513
00:25:39,872 --> 00:25:42,851
You know, you were like
the arm candy.
514
00:25:42,875 --> 00:25:45,228
-While researching a book
about the fashion world,
515
00:25:45,252 --> 00:25:47,272
writer Michael Gross
is hearing rumors
516
00:25:47,296 --> 00:25:49,941
about this type
of predatory behavior
517
00:25:49,965 --> 00:25:52,569
where unknown models
are exploited.
518
00:25:52,593 --> 00:25:56,364
He also notices supermodels
are not at these parties...
519
00:25:56,388 --> 00:25:59,159
And he understands why.
520
00:25:59,183 --> 00:26:04,205
-They look at someone
and they see money,
521
00:26:04,229 --> 00:26:07,584
huge, vast sums of money.
522
00:26:07,608 --> 00:26:09,711
Do not mess with that girl,
523
00:26:09,735 --> 00:26:12,922
mess with that one
who's never going to be anybody.
524
00:26:12,946 --> 00:26:15,884
And that's the way
that they work.
525
00:26:15,908 --> 00:26:19,846
I took a second trip to Europe
to do follow-up interviews,
526
00:26:19,870 --> 00:26:22,515
and I fell into this nest
of vipers
527
00:26:22,539 --> 00:26:24,642
and all of these creatures
and gremlins
528
00:26:24,666 --> 00:26:26,519
and insects are pouring out.
529
00:26:26,543 --> 00:26:31,983
And I realized that people
were beginning to understand
530
00:26:32,007 --> 00:26:35,969
that I might stir some shit up.
531
00:26:40,974 --> 00:26:43,077
-In the early '90s,
stars of the fashion world
532
00:26:43,101 --> 00:26:45,163
start to blend
with other celebrities.
533
00:26:45,187 --> 00:26:48,541
Supermodels are now known for
both the clothes on their backs
534
00:26:48,565 --> 00:26:50,794
and the men on their arms.
535
00:26:50,818 --> 00:26:53,546
But before a model can make it
to the A-list,
536
00:26:53,570 --> 00:26:55,757
she must make it
through the hands of powerful
537
00:26:55,781 --> 00:26:58,593
and sometimes
predatory gatekeepers,
538
00:26:58,617 --> 00:27:01,620
something fashion writer
Michael Gross understood.
539
00:27:03,622 --> 00:27:08,311
{\an8}-There were patterns of behavior
that had been acceptable.
540
00:27:08,335 --> 00:27:09,938
-And he wants to expose it,
541
00:27:09,962 --> 00:27:12,607
but Gross will soon discover
his plan to shine a light
542
00:27:12,631 --> 00:27:15,401
on this shadowy part
of the modeling industry
543
00:27:15,425 --> 00:27:18,029
will be met with a dangerous
kind of darkness.
544
00:27:18,053 --> 00:27:22,909
-I was actually threatened
by Johnny Casablancas,
545
00:27:22,933 --> 00:27:24,994
who made a lunch date with me.
546
00:27:25,018 --> 00:27:27,205
He looked at me, he said,
"Hello," you know,
547
00:27:27,229 --> 00:27:29,624
and then he said,
"If you harm Elite,
548
00:27:29,648 --> 00:27:31,459
Elite will harm you."
549
00:27:31,483 --> 00:27:33,753
And he stood up
and he walked out.
550
00:27:33,777 --> 00:27:35,588
Wow! You know?
551
00:27:35,612 --> 00:27:40,260
It was clear to me
this was an amazing story
552
00:27:40,284 --> 00:27:43,054
and people only knew
the tip of the iceberg.
553
00:27:43,078 --> 00:27:45,682
And when John Casablancas
delivered the threat,
554
00:27:45,706 --> 00:27:48,476
I got a little paranoid
at a certain point.
555
00:27:48,500 --> 00:27:49,936
I took all my interview tapes
556
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,147
and I put them into a airline
carry on bag
557
00:27:53,171 --> 00:27:56,693
and I hid it under the bed
of a friend of ours in Paris.
558
00:27:56,717 --> 00:27:58,570
I'm not writing about the Mafia,
559
00:27:58,594 --> 00:28:00,989
I'm writing about
the fashion world,
560
00:28:01,013 --> 00:28:03,116
for God's sakes.
561
00:28:03,140 --> 00:28:06,494
You know, Jean-Luc Brunel
had a horrible habit
562
00:28:06,518 --> 00:28:08,663
of using the merchandise
563
00:28:08,687 --> 00:28:12,166
for reasons
that were not above board.
564
00:28:12,190 --> 00:28:14,419
The same thing happens
with every one of these guys.
565
00:28:14,443 --> 00:28:15,920
Look at Gerald Marie.
566
00:28:15,944 --> 00:28:18,590
It just so happened
that in his off hours,
567
00:28:18,614 --> 00:28:22,552
he was treating models
like garbage.
568
00:28:22,576 --> 00:28:25,722
-By the mid-'90s, Gerald Marie
is at the center of rumors
569
00:28:25,746 --> 00:28:28,808
about bad behavior with models.
570
00:28:28,832 --> 00:28:31,352
While on an agency retreat
in Ibiza,
571
00:28:31,376 --> 00:28:35,148
American agent Marie Anderson
overhears a conversation
572
00:28:35,172 --> 00:28:37,108
she can't ignore.
573
00:28:37,132 --> 00:28:38,902
{\an8}-It was Gerald Marie,
574
00:28:38,926 --> 00:28:40,612
{\an8}John Casablancas,
575
00:28:40,636 --> 00:28:43,823
Lisa Herzog from New York Elite,
576
00:28:43,847 --> 00:28:47,118
and Trudi Tapscott
from New York Elite,
577
00:28:47,142 --> 00:28:51,289
and both of these young women
were begging the men
578
00:28:51,313 --> 00:28:56,461
to stop sleeping
with the young teenage girls.
579
00:28:56,485 --> 00:29:01,883
And Gerald said, "We are men,
we have our needs."
580
00:29:01,907 --> 00:29:04,010
And John's response was,
581
00:29:04,034 --> 00:29:07,722
"Lisa, Trudi, it's not that big
of a deal,"
582
00:29:07,746 --> 00:29:12,477
like, "stop being so puritanical
about your ideas of sex,
583
00:29:12,501 --> 00:29:15,462
this is fine,"
and the men refused to listen.
584
00:29:17,506 --> 00:29:20,360
-Disgusted by the blatant
abuses of power,
585
00:29:20,384 --> 00:29:23,696
Marie Anderson quits her job
as an agent at Elite.
586
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,741
-I kept trying to have
this conversation,
587
00:29:26,765 --> 00:29:29,577
and people were like,
"Marie, shut up.
588
00:29:29,601 --> 00:29:32,205
Nobody wants to hear this crap.
589
00:29:32,229 --> 00:29:34,999
Don't be a Debbie Downer.
590
00:29:35,023 --> 00:29:38,294
This is part of the business.
Just accept it."
591
00:29:38,318 --> 00:29:41,839
-Accepting it seems to be
the key to understanding why
592
00:29:41,863 --> 00:29:45,176
nothing changed even after
the "60 Minutes" report
593
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:46,844
of abuse in the industry.
594
00:29:46,868 --> 00:29:48,846
-He's got the agency,
he's got the girls,
595
00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:51,849
his friends say, "Oh, Jean-Luc,
I'd like to have," you know,
596
00:29:51,873 --> 00:29:53,977
"I'd like to meet some girls and
we're having a party tonight,
597
00:29:54,001 --> 00:29:56,229
can you bring some girls?"
- And what happens
598
00:29:56,253 --> 00:29:58,755
if you say no?
- You don't work.
599
00:30:01,550 --> 00:30:03,695
-One model in particular,
600
00:30:03,719 --> 00:30:06,698
who I thought was
tough as nails,
601
00:30:06,722 --> 00:30:09,826
I warned her what was going
to happen and she's like,
602
00:30:09,850 --> 00:30:11,411
"Marie, I'll deck the guy.
603
00:30:11,435 --> 00:30:13,287
You know, that'll never happen."
604
00:30:13,311 --> 00:30:16,749
A little time passes
and she calls me crying
605
00:30:16,773 --> 00:30:19,961
and she said,
"Marie, Gerald Marie is a pig
606
00:30:19,985 --> 00:30:22,839
and he's been hitting on me
all the time,
607
00:30:22,863 --> 00:30:25,299
and he said that
if I don't sleep with him,
608
00:30:25,323 --> 00:30:28,511
I'm not going to work
and I haven't been working.
609
00:30:28,535 --> 00:30:30,179
I think I'm going
to sleep with him."
610
00:30:30,203 --> 00:30:33,266
I'm like, "Don't do it,
please, girl, don't do it.
611
00:30:33,290 --> 00:30:34,934
You'll sell your soul."
612
00:30:34,958 --> 00:30:36,686
She said, "Okay, okay, okay,
613
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:40,148
thank you for talking me
off the ledge, I won't do it."
614
00:30:40,172 --> 00:30:44,277
So months go by
and she comes home
615
00:30:44,301 --> 00:30:49,073
and she's showing me
her portfolio full of covers.
616
00:30:49,097 --> 00:30:50,950
And I'm like, "Look at you!
617
00:30:50,974 --> 00:30:53,494
Look at all these
beautiful covers!
618
00:30:53,518 --> 00:30:55,705
Aren't you proud of yourself?
619
00:30:55,729 --> 00:30:57,749
You didn't sleep with him,
620
00:30:57,773 --> 00:31:00,793
and look what you accomplished!"
621
00:31:00,817 --> 00:31:02,503
And she sat there silent,
she goes,
622
00:31:02,527 --> 00:31:03,921
"No, Marie,
623
00:31:03,945 --> 00:31:06,090
I did start sleeping with him.
624
00:31:06,114 --> 00:31:09,010
And as soon as I did,
I started booking those covers."
625
00:31:09,034 --> 00:31:13,181
{\an8}♪♪
626
00:31:13,205 --> 00:31:15,683
-He knew!
He knew.
627
00:31:15,707 --> 00:31:18,686
He knew he could control
that situation.
628
00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:21,481
-But in Paris,
18 year old model Thysia
629
00:31:21,505 --> 00:31:24,609
thinks she will be able
to control the situation.
630
00:31:24,633 --> 00:31:27,111
She books two jobs,
and on her last night,
631
00:31:27,135 --> 00:31:29,947
she says she accepts an offer
to celebrate her success
632
00:31:29,971 --> 00:31:32,909
with Jean-Luc Brunel.
633
00:31:32,933 --> 00:31:35,578
{\an8}-Brunel, he was really excited
and he was saying like,
634
00:31:35,602 --> 00:31:38,706
{\an8}"Oh, you know, you did so well
and I'm so proud of you."
635
00:31:38,730 --> 00:31:40,541
So I said, yeah,
we should celebrate.
636
00:31:40,565 --> 00:31:42,794
And...
637
00:31:42,818 --> 00:31:45,755
Of course, I didn't forget
about him being a creep,
638
00:31:45,779 --> 00:31:48,091
but on the other hand,
I was also like,
639
00:31:48,115 --> 00:31:50,218
okay, you know,
this is, you know,
640
00:31:50,242 --> 00:31:52,345
I'm moving in the right
direction, you know,
641
00:31:52,369 --> 00:31:55,431
for my career.
642
00:31:55,455 --> 00:31:57,725
I remember that he gave me
a drink and he said,
643
00:31:57,749 --> 00:31:59,727
"I made this drink,
especially for you."
644
00:31:59,751 --> 00:32:01,479
It was kind of mixed drink.
645
00:32:01,503 --> 00:32:04,482
And, um...
646
00:32:04,506 --> 00:32:07,568
Yeah, he... he said,
"Cheers to your career,"
647
00:32:07,592 --> 00:32:10,905
and... and I remember
that I drank it,
648
00:32:10,929 --> 00:32:14,784
and 20 minutes later
I started...
649
00:32:14,808 --> 00:32:17,036
to become dizzy.
650
00:32:17,060 --> 00:32:18,996
I told him,
"I don't feel so well,
651
00:32:19,020 --> 00:32:20,706
so I want to lie down."
652
00:32:20,730 --> 00:32:24,418
And he said, "Yeah, but you can
lie down in my room."
653
00:32:24,442 --> 00:32:27,588
I remember that he...
He pushed me on his bed
654
00:32:27,612 --> 00:32:29,549
and I remember that then
I blacked out.
655
00:32:29,573 --> 00:32:33,427
And the next moment
that I realized
656
00:32:33,451 --> 00:32:34,762
that he was on top of me,
657
00:32:34,786 --> 00:32:37,974
and I remember
that I was fighting him,
658
00:32:37,998 --> 00:32:42,228
but I... I remember also that
I didn't have the power,
659
00:32:42,252 --> 00:32:43,938
you know, to really fight him.
660
00:32:43,962 --> 00:32:47,733
He was, like, in between my legs
661
00:32:47,757 --> 00:32:50,611
and he was starting
to penetrate me.
662
00:32:50,635 --> 00:32:54,949
And after that,
also blackout again,
663
00:32:54,973 --> 00:32:58,786
and, uh, yeah.
664
00:32:58,810 --> 00:33:00,746
The next morning I remember
665
00:33:00,770 --> 00:33:05,877
that I woke up feeling
666
00:33:05,901 --> 00:33:08,379
like a train rode over me,
you know?
667
00:33:08,403 --> 00:33:11,257
{\an8}♪♪
668
00:33:11,281 --> 00:33:12,758
Um...
669
00:33:12,782 --> 00:33:14,594
I got my memory back, you know,
670
00:33:14,618 --> 00:33:16,095
it was kind of fragmented,
671
00:33:16,119 --> 00:33:19,182
and then I realized
what happened,
672
00:33:19,206 --> 00:33:21,374
you know, that he raped me.
673
00:33:28,381 --> 00:33:30,026
-♪ I'm too sexy for Milan,
too sexy for Milan ♪
674
00:33:30,050 --> 00:33:31,027
♪ New York and Japan ♪
675
00:33:31,051 --> 00:33:32,570
-It's big, it's colorful,
676
00:33:32,594 --> 00:33:34,864
it's theatrical,
it's haute couture...
677
00:33:34,888 --> 00:33:37,241
Original high fashion,
custom-made for
678
00:33:37,265 --> 00:33:39,285
the very few who can afford it.
679
00:33:39,309 --> 00:33:41,746
-In the seemingly glamorous
world of fashion,
680
00:33:41,770 --> 00:33:43,915
supermodels are to young girls
681
00:33:43,939 --> 00:33:46,918
what haute couture is to
mass-market fashion:
682
00:33:46,942 --> 00:33:49,337
aspirational and out of reach.
683
00:33:49,361 --> 00:33:52,048
-♪ I'm a model,
you know what I mean ♪
684
00:33:52,072 --> 00:33:55,009
♪ And I do my little turn
on the catwalk ♪
685
00:33:55,033 --> 00:33:57,345
-The handful of women at the top
sell the dream
686
00:33:57,369 --> 00:33:59,055
to the majority of models
who end up
687
00:33:59,079 --> 00:34:01,641
owning a very different
experience.
688
00:34:01,665 --> 00:34:03,935
-♪ ...on the catwalk ♪
689
00:34:03,959 --> 00:34:08,189
{\an8}♪♪
690
00:34:08,213 --> 00:34:11,359
-After a week of auditions and
staying at Brunel's apartment,
691
00:34:11,383 --> 00:34:15,571
18 year old Thysia alleges
that he drugged and raped her.
692
00:34:15,595 --> 00:34:19,784
-All I wanted to do
was escape that apartment.
693
00:34:19,808 --> 00:34:22,203
-According to Thysia,
she returns home in shock
694
00:34:22,227 --> 00:34:25,373
and keeps quiet about
what happened to her.
695
00:34:25,397 --> 00:34:29,210
-Paris was his city, you know,
it was his country,
696
00:34:29,234 --> 00:34:32,213
he was the king, he was the
hot shot of the modeling world,
697
00:34:32,237 --> 00:34:35,883
you know, and I was a nobody.
698
00:34:35,907 --> 00:34:39,178
-During your time in Paris,
Thysia books two big contracts
699
00:34:39,202 --> 00:34:41,681
and her career
is about to take off,
700
00:34:41,705 --> 00:34:43,975
but instead she steps away.
701
00:34:43,999 --> 00:34:47,728
-I quit modeling because it was
full of, you know,
702
00:34:47,752 --> 00:34:50,982
creeps that couldn't get
their hands off you.
703
00:34:51,006 --> 00:34:54,151
And... but I never told
the whole story
704
00:34:54,175 --> 00:34:56,279
because I was too
ashamed for it.
705
00:34:56,303 --> 00:34:57,822
-Speaking from experience,
706
00:34:57,846 --> 00:35:00,825
I can tell you that the predator
707
00:35:00,849 --> 00:35:03,369
relies on you being mute.
708
00:35:03,393 --> 00:35:06,831
The predator relies on you
keeping your mouth shut,
709
00:35:06,855 --> 00:35:11,127
keeping things status quo,
and knowing your place.
710
00:35:11,151 --> 00:35:14,255
-Once again is Jean-Luc Brunel
is not charged,
711
00:35:14,279 --> 00:35:18,592
but in 1995, Michael Gross
releases his book that,
712
00:35:18,616 --> 00:35:20,428
like the "60 Minutes" episode,
713
00:35:20,452 --> 00:35:23,472
exposes the ugly truth
of the modeling world,
714
00:35:23,496 --> 00:35:27,143
again accusing Brunel
and others of abuse.
715
00:35:27,167 --> 00:35:30,521
-Johnny Casablancas greets the
book by threatening to sue me,
716
00:35:30,545 --> 00:35:31,981
thereby selling, you know,
717
00:35:32,005 --> 00:35:34,984
probably tens of thousands
of copies.
718
00:35:35,008 --> 00:35:37,778
-Michael Gross has ruffled a few
feathers in the fashion world
719
00:35:37,802 --> 00:35:39,530
with his new book,
720
00:35:39,554 --> 00:35:42,241
"Model: The Ugly Business of
Beautiful Women."
721
00:35:42,265 --> 00:35:43,951
{\an8}-I don't think
the book is judgmental.
722
00:35:43,975 --> 00:35:46,912
{\an8}I think that the book
is reported
723
00:35:46,936 --> 00:35:49,206
{\an8}and people who are reading it
are drawing judgments.
724
00:35:49,230 --> 00:35:52,918
The modeling industry
basically cleaved in half.
725
00:35:52,942 --> 00:35:58,090
There were the people
who felt wronged,
726
00:35:58,114 --> 00:36:00,509
who were generally people
who I wrote about
727
00:36:00,533 --> 00:36:02,136
and told tales about.
728
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,306
And there were people
who were gleeful
729
00:36:05,330 --> 00:36:08,893
because the bad guys had finally
taken it in the throat.
730
00:36:08,917 --> 00:36:11,270
-Gross's book kicks up
a lot of dust,
731
00:36:11,294 --> 00:36:14,106
but when it settles,
the titans of the modeling world
732
00:36:14,130 --> 00:36:16,275
are still standing.
733
00:36:16,299 --> 00:36:19,320
-I had hoped that the industry
would change, but again,
734
00:36:19,344 --> 00:36:22,156
it was just like that
"60 Minutes" episode
735
00:36:22,180 --> 00:36:24,825
back in the '80s...
Nothing happened.
736
00:36:24,849 --> 00:36:28,371
-As the industry largely
dismisses Gross's allegations,
737
00:36:28,395 --> 00:36:31,082
supermodels begin
getting replaced
738
00:36:31,106 --> 00:36:33,793
on magazine covers
with actresses.
739
00:36:33,817 --> 00:36:35,920
But the marriage of film
and fashion will bring
740
00:36:35,944 --> 00:36:40,049
even more morally bankrupt
power players into the mix,
741
00:36:40,073 --> 00:36:41,884
including Harvey Weinstein,
742
00:36:41,908 --> 00:36:43,386
who goes on to executive produce
743
00:36:43,410 --> 00:36:46,305
the hit modeling reality show
"Project Runway."
744
00:36:46,329 --> 00:36:49,308
- is the chance of a lifetime.
745
00:36:49,332 --> 00:36:57,191
-By '96, the complexion
of the runway utterly changes.
746
00:36:57,215 --> 00:36:59,568
And suddenly you had
what I called
747
00:36:59,592 --> 00:37:01,445
the march of the wan blondes.
748
00:37:01,469 --> 00:37:04,281
It was like someone just came in
749
00:37:04,305 --> 00:37:09,370
and said anything
that can attract attention, no.
750
00:37:09,394 --> 00:37:13,398
We have to put the attention
back on the clothes.
751
00:37:15,733 --> 00:37:17,753
-By 1997, the fashion world
752
00:37:17,777 --> 00:37:19,880
is wrapped up
in another controversy
753
00:37:19,904 --> 00:37:22,174
when waif-like supermodel
Kate Moss
754
00:37:22,198 --> 00:37:24,802
hopes to create
the next big aesthetic,
755
00:37:24,826 --> 00:37:27,054
known as heroin chic.
756
00:37:27,078 --> 00:37:29,723
-And so here starts a new trend.
757
00:37:29,747 --> 00:37:31,475
And I don't think that,
758
00:37:31,499 --> 00:37:34,687
when they started calling girls
like her "heroin chic,"
759
00:37:34,711 --> 00:37:39,733
she knew that she had
a drug problem.
760
00:37:39,757 --> 00:37:41,610
-The ultra-thin look
sells clothes,
761
00:37:41,634 --> 00:37:45,156
but comes with a high price
when one of its photographers,
762
00:37:45,180 --> 00:37:48,308
David Sorrenti,
dies of a heroin overdose.
763
00:37:50,935 --> 00:37:52,788
-The thing that was
so interesting
764
00:37:52,812 --> 00:37:56,292
about the waifs and heroin chic
765
00:37:56,316 --> 00:38:01,046
was that politicians
latched on to it.
766
00:38:01,070 --> 00:38:04,258
-You do not need to glamorize
addiction to sell clothes.
767
00:38:04,282 --> 00:38:07,428
-And while '90s sexual
misconduct in the fashion world
768
00:38:07,452 --> 00:38:08,846
is shrugged off,
769
00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:11,307
heroin's tangential relationship
to modeling
770
00:38:11,331 --> 00:38:13,601
is something
President Bill Clinton
771
00:38:13,625 --> 00:38:15,352
feels requires his attention.
772
00:38:15,376 --> 00:38:19,106
-The images projected in fashion
photos in the last few years
773
00:38:19,130 --> 00:38:23,027
have made heroin addiction seem
glamorous and sexy and cool.
774
00:38:23,051 --> 00:38:25,779
-But heroin will only
briefly distract from
775
00:38:25,803 --> 00:38:28,264
what remains
modeling's original sin.
776
00:38:33,728 --> 00:38:36,749
In 1999, two BBC reporters,
777
00:38:36,773 --> 00:38:39,293
Donal Maclntyre
and Lisa Brinkworth,
778
00:38:39,317 --> 00:38:41,295
go undercover to gain
video proof
779
00:38:41,319 --> 00:38:43,964
of some of fashion's
biggest predators.
780
00:38:43,988 --> 00:38:47,134
-I was in the company
of some of the most powerful
781
00:38:47,158 --> 00:38:49,345
and I would say dangerous men
782
00:38:49,369 --> 00:38:50,703
in the industry.
783
00:38:55,416 --> 00:38:59,063
{\an8}-In 1999, the BBC produces
a documentary
784
00:38:59,087 --> 00:39:04,109
{\an8}with undercover footage
of Gerald Marie behaving badly.
785
00:39:04,133 --> 00:39:06,445
-I'm not quite sure
how it ended up in my hands,
786
00:39:06,469 --> 00:39:10,241
but I ended up with a VHS tape
787
00:39:10,265 --> 00:39:13,160
of the documentary,
788
00:39:13,184 --> 00:39:15,329
and I watched it and I was like,
789
00:39:15,353 --> 00:39:20,042
"Praise Jesus, finally, somebody
is talking about this stuff!"
790
00:39:20,066 --> 00:39:22,294
-When the documentary airs
in the UK,
791
00:39:22,318 --> 00:39:25,339
Casablancas is quick to react.
792
00:39:25,363 --> 00:39:27,675
He lawyers up and sues the BBC,
793
00:39:27,699 --> 00:39:29,635
claiming it was all a setup
794
00:39:29,659 --> 00:39:32,620
and the episode is banned
from airing ever again.
795
00:39:35,039 --> 00:39:36,600
But enough people
see the program
796
00:39:36,624 --> 00:39:39,687
to keep the issue alive
in the fashion world.
797
00:39:39,711 --> 00:39:43,023
Both Marie and Brunel
adamantly denied the claims
798
00:39:43,047 --> 00:39:45,734
and continue to work
under the radar
799
00:39:45,758 --> 00:39:49,446
until a powerful
movement emerges.
800
00:39:49,470 --> 00:39:51,198
-The New York Times
reported today
801
00:39:51,222 --> 00:39:54,952
Weinstein is accused of sexually
harassing female employees
802
00:39:54,976 --> 00:39:57,162
and actors for decades.
803
00:39:57,186 --> 00:40:00,291
-After years of using his power
to prey on women,
804
00:40:00,315 --> 00:40:03,377
Harvey Weinstein is brought down
when his victims speak up
805
00:40:03,401 --> 00:40:05,879
and ignite the powerful
Me Too movement
806
00:40:05,903 --> 00:40:09,341
founded by Tarana Burke in 2006.
807
00:40:09,365 --> 00:40:11,385
Their strength encourages
other women
808
00:40:11,409 --> 00:40:13,262
to hold
their abusers accountable,
809
00:40:13,286 --> 00:40:16,390
including one of America's
worst perpetrators.
810
00:40:16,414 --> 00:40:18,100
{\an8}-Sixty-six year old
Jeffrey Epstein
811
00:40:18,124 --> 00:40:20,102
{\an8}was arrested
Saturday in New Jersey
812
00:40:20,126 --> 00:40:22,563
after returning from Paris
on his private jet.
813
00:40:22,587 --> 00:40:24,523
-The arrest sparks
a memory of a party
814
00:40:24,547 --> 00:40:28,944
hosted by the person Thysia
says raped her in 1991
815
00:40:28,968 --> 00:40:30,404
and the man she met
who advised her
816
00:40:30,428 --> 00:40:33,574
to be willing
to do anything to get ahead.
817
00:40:33,598 --> 00:40:37,661
-I saw the picture of Epstein
and I recognized him directly...
818
00:40:37,685 --> 00:40:41,206
That he was the guy, you know,
that I spoke to that night
819
00:40:41,230 --> 00:40:44,710
in... in the Brunel's place.
820
00:40:44,734 --> 00:40:48,088
-Brunel finally attracts
the attention of authorities
821
00:40:48,112 --> 00:40:50,299
and in December of 2020,
822
00:40:50,323 --> 00:40:53,427
they arrest him for the alleged
procurement of girls
823
00:40:53,451 --> 00:40:56,055
to Jeffrey Epstein.
824
00:40:56,079 --> 00:40:57,473
-In his apartment,
825
00:40:57,497 --> 00:40:59,683
there were a lot of young
826
00:40:59,707 --> 00:41:02,102
Eastern European models,
827
00:41:02,126 --> 00:41:05,272
young girls, scouted by Brunel.
828
00:41:05,296 --> 00:41:09,401
They never told me
in those words,
829
00:41:09,425 --> 00:41:11,278
but you felt that they were...
830
00:41:11,302 --> 00:41:13,697
That they didn't have
the possibility
831
00:41:13,721 --> 00:41:17,326
to go back to their home country
832
00:41:17,350 --> 00:41:20,287
without, you know, money,
without a career.
833
00:41:20,311 --> 00:41:23,415
So they were kind of
stuck there.
834
00:41:23,439 --> 00:41:27,211
-In Milan, these clubs,
they're so beautiful
835
00:41:27,235 --> 00:41:28,879
and so seductive.
836
00:41:28,903 --> 00:41:30,923
And then when you get to know
the people
837
00:41:30,947 --> 00:41:33,133
who are sitting at these tables,
the models,
838
00:41:33,157 --> 00:41:35,302
you see that they're
poorly paid,
839
00:41:35,326 --> 00:41:36,970
some of them might be students,
840
00:41:36,994 --> 00:41:40,933
some of them don't have money
for the taxi to get home.
841
00:41:40,957 --> 00:41:43,852
What looks really glamorous,
in reality
842
00:41:43,876 --> 00:41:47,481
is a form of exploitative work.
843
00:41:47,505 --> 00:41:51,902
-Looking sexy maybe is like
part of your job as a model,
844
00:41:51,926 --> 00:41:55,406
but sex is never
part of the job.
845
00:41:55,430 --> 00:41:59,660
-With Brunel behind bars,
all eyes turned to Gerard Marie,
846
00:41:59,684 --> 00:42:01,286
and in 2021,
847
00:42:01,310 --> 00:42:04,665
Marie is revisited by journalist
Donal Maclntyre,
848
00:42:04,689 --> 00:42:07,751
{\an8}this time
for "60 Minutes Australia."
849
00:42:07,775 --> 00:42:10,462
{\an8}-Ah, Mr. Marie!
850
00:42:10,486 --> 00:42:12,214
{\an8}Mr. Marie, call the police.
Do you realize
851
00:42:12,238 --> 00:42:15,509
{\an8}the French prosecutors
have got 14 women charging you,
852
00:42:15,533 --> 00:42:19,722
{\an8}making allegations for assault
and sexual assault?
853
00:42:19,746 --> 00:42:21,265
-With an investigation underway
854
00:42:21,289 --> 00:42:23,600
and several of
Gerard Marie's victims
855
00:42:23,624 --> 00:42:26,186
working with the police,
those in the industry
856
00:42:26,210 --> 00:42:28,439
hope for a different future.
857
00:42:28,463 --> 00:42:34,069
{\an8}♪♪
858
00:42:34,093 --> 00:42:38,115
-I don't think that
you'll ever see a return
859
00:42:38,139 --> 00:42:40,701
to the Wild West atmosphere
860
00:42:40,725 --> 00:42:43,704
that lasted through
the supermodel era.
861
00:42:43,728 --> 00:42:47,207
We're past that now.
862
00:42:47,231 --> 00:42:51,295
-The Me Too movement really
changed everything
863
00:42:51,319 --> 00:42:54,465
as far as how we view
sexual harassment,
864
00:42:54,489 --> 00:42:57,050
because now these stories
will come out
865
00:42:57,074 --> 00:43:00,304
if you mess
with a model or an actor.
866
00:43:00,328 --> 00:43:02,371
Now we have a platform.
867
00:43:04,707 --> 00:43:07,728
-Despite the lack of legal
consequences for some,
868
00:43:07,752 --> 00:43:11,565
there is hope that exposure will
protect the next generation.
869
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:15,861
-Mothers, before they send their
daughters to New York, Paris,
870
00:43:15,885 --> 00:43:18,363
London and Milan without
a chaperone,
871
00:43:18,387 --> 00:43:22,075
can read "Model," which is still
in print 25 years later;
872
00:43:22,099 --> 00:43:24,620
can watch TV,
873
00:43:24,644 --> 00:43:26,914
can watch vice documentaries,
874
00:43:26,938 --> 00:43:29,750
can hear the truth,
875
00:43:29,774 --> 00:43:31,293
and then make their minds up...
876
00:43:31,317 --> 00:43:33,712
"Are we going to throw our
daughter in the deep end
877
00:43:33,736 --> 00:43:36,590
of this fetid pool or not?"
878
00:43:36,614 --> 00:43:40,052
You know, at least the
information is out there now.
879
00:43:40,076 --> 00:43:46,099
{\an8}-The moment that I decided
to... to come forward
880
00:43:46,123 --> 00:43:48,101
{\an8}and to tell my story
was the moment
881
00:43:48,125 --> 00:43:50,229
{\an8}that I got my power back,
you know,
882
00:43:50,253 --> 00:43:53,690
{\an8}and it felt empowering
and also, uh...
883
00:43:53,714 --> 00:43:56,109
{\an8}Yeah, good to get
the control back.
884
00:43:56,133 --> 00:44:04,133
{\an8}♪♪