1 00:00:13,752 --> 00:00:16,712 [uneasy music] 2 00:00:16,799 --> 00:00:18,714 ♪ 3 00:00:18,801 --> 00:00:20,237 [news reporter] Little was convicted of three murders 4 00:00:20,368 --> 00:00:22,022 in Los Angeles but has since confessed 5 00:00:22,152 --> 00:00:25,112 to strangling 93 women. 6 00:00:25,199 --> 00:00:28,637 That number is incomprehensible. 7 00:00:28,724 --> 00:00:31,944 But that is the number of lives lost. 8 00:00:32,032 --> 00:00:33,511 [Bobby] The sheriff office 9 00:00:33,642 --> 00:00:35,470 just said there was no foul play. 10 00:00:35,644 --> 00:00:37,472 ♪ 11 00:00:37,602 --> 00:00:40,605 We talking about you beat beyond recognition, 12 00:00:40,736 --> 00:00:41,867 and you mean to tell me there's no foul play? 13 00:00:41,998 --> 00:00:43,217 Man, who you fooling? 14 00:00:43,347 --> 00:00:46,959 This is-this is a joke, man. 15 00:00:47,090 --> 00:00:48,396 [Tomeka] Had they investigated, 16 00:00:48,526 --> 00:00:49,397 they would've discovered a serial killer. 17 00:00:49,527 --> 00:00:50,485 [Nire] That's right. 18 00:00:50,615 --> 00:00:51,834 Tonight time is running out 19 00:00:51,964 --> 00:00:53,923 to verify his confessions 20 00:00:54,054 --> 00:00:56,360 and provide closure to the victims' families. 21 00:00:56,491 --> 00:00:59,102 [Jillian] The urgency for me is to try 22 00:00:59,233 --> 00:01:01,713 to identify more victims 23 00:01:01,844 --> 00:01:04,890 and dig through these cold cases. 24 00:01:05,021 --> 00:01:06,066 [dramatic music] 25 00:01:06,196 --> 00:01:07,763 This is Alice. 26 00:01:07,893 --> 00:01:11,245 A woman that Sam strangled 27 00:01:11,375 --> 00:01:13,290 here in Los Angeles. 28 00:01:14,204 --> 00:01:16,337 Anything we know about Alice right now, 29 00:01:16,424 --> 00:01:17,686 we know from Sam. 30 00:01:17,816 --> 00:01:19,514 And this is the drive that Sam 31 00:01:19,644 --> 00:01:21,646 would have taken with Alice 32 00:01:21,777 --> 00:01:24,127 before he killed her. 33 00:01:24,214 --> 00:01:26,173 [Rick] This is Imperial Highway. 34 00:01:26,303 --> 00:01:28,175 [Jillian] So this could be the overpass. 35 00:01:28,305 --> 00:01:31,047 He also said he went all the way to the beach. 36 00:01:31,134 --> 00:01:33,267 [scoffs] And there is no beach. 37 00:01:33,354 --> 00:01:34,703 [Rick] Right. 38 00:01:34,833 --> 00:01:38,010 [Jillian] But I did find an article, 39 00:01:38,141 --> 00:01:39,969 but it's from a totally different location 40 00:01:40,100 --> 00:01:43,103 of where he said he dumped her. 41 00:01:43,190 --> 00:01:46,758 If we can confirm this is the right location, 42 00:01:46,889 --> 00:01:49,718 we might actually help solve the Alice case. 43 00:01:49,892 --> 00:01:52,460 ♪ 44 00:01:52,634 --> 00:01:55,550 ♪ 45 00:02:13,611 --> 00:02:15,222 [Jillian] Sure. We're a team. 46 00:02:15,352 --> 00:02:17,137 It's me and you. 47 00:02:19,661 --> 00:02:21,445 [sighs] 48 00:02:21,576 --> 00:02:23,926 You fucking asshole. 49 00:02:24,013 --> 00:02:26,842 [dark music] 50 00:02:26,929 --> 00:02:29,888 ♪ 51 00:02:31,368 --> 00:02:34,589 These are letters from Sam. 52 00:02:34,676 --> 00:02:37,722 I-I have upwards of 100, I would say. 53 00:02:37,853 --> 00:02:39,507 "I will hug you in a death hold 54 00:02:39,637 --> 00:02:41,813 "and put you into my world 55 00:02:41,944 --> 00:02:44,033 "of only you and I. 56 00:02:44,164 --> 00:02:45,817 "For eternity only you and I. 57 00:02:45,948 --> 00:02:48,342 "Please come to me and give me your spirit. 58 00:02:48,472 --> 00:02:49,734 "I want to devour it 59 00:02:49,865 --> 00:02:51,127 "like a piece of cake. 60 00:02:51,258 --> 00:02:53,129 "My beautiful angel. 61 00:02:53,260 --> 00:02:56,176 Mr. Sam." 62 00:02:56,306 --> 00:02:59,962 The analyst from the FBI who went and saw Sam 63 00:03:00,092 --> 00:03:02,269 felt like it would be irresponsible 64 00:03:02,399 --> 00:03:06,273 if I wasn't informed that he plans to kill me, 65 00:03:06,403 --> 00:03:08,492 and I was like, "I-I know." 66 00:03:08,623 --> 00:03:10,494 [laughs] 67 00:03:10,625 --> 00:03:13,628 If I could go back and do it again, 68 00:03:13,758 --> 00:03:16,935 if I could never have heard the name Sam Little, 69 00:03:17,022 --> 00:03:19,024 I probably would. 70 00:03:19,155 --> 00:03:21,549 I never, in a million years, 71 00:03:21,679 --> 00:03:24,508 would have anticipated what it's done to me. 72 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,598 [eerie music] 73 00:03:27,685 --> 00:03:30,079 It's not one murder. 74 00:03:30,210 --> 00:03:31,559 It's not five murders. 75 00:03:31,689 --> 00:03:33,169 It's 93 murders. 76 00:03:33,343 --> 00:03:34,431 ♪ 77 00:03:34,562 --> 00:03:37,042 The sheer magnitude of it... 78 00:03:37,173 --> 00:03:39,436 it's upended my life for almost two years now, 79 00:03:39,523 --> 00:03:41,395 and my health has suffered. 80 00:03:41,525 --> 00:03:43,005 My family has suffered. 81 00:03:43,135 --> 00:03:45,616 I wake up in a cold sweat, 82 00:03:45,747 --> 00:03:47,923 just yelling... 83 00:03:48,097 --> 00:03:51,100 ♪ 84 00:03:51,187 --> 00:03:52,754 ...more mornings than not. 85 00:03:52,841 --> 00:03:54,799 ♪ 86 00:04:05,723 --> 00:04:06,637 [Jillian] Mm-hmm. 87 00:04:26,527 --> 00:04:29,878 ♪ 88 00:04:30,661 --> 00:04:32,141 [news reporter] The FBI calls Samuel Little 89 00:04:32,272 --> 00:04:34,361 America's most prolific serial killer. 90 00:04:34,491 --> 00:04:37,407 [Sam] If you want me to tell my secrets to you, 91 00:04:37,538 --> 00:04:39,627 come down here and look me in my eye 92 00:04:39,757 --> 00:04:41,542 while I do. 93 00:04:41,672 --> 00:04:44,762 [Jillian] My deal with the devil is, 94 00:04:44,893 --> 00:04:48,592 "You will not die alone if you tell me the truth." 95 00:04:48,723 --> 00:04:50,028 [Sam] I'm not gonna admit to those girls. 96 00:04:50,159 --> 00:04:51,465 [Jillian] I don't believe you. 97 00:04:51,552 --> 00:04:53,989 So you tell me the truth right now. 98 00:04:54,119 --> 00:04:56,121 [news reporter] Little strangled 93 victims 99 00:04:56,252 --> 00:04:59,342 between 1970 and 2005. 100 00:04:59,429 --> 00:05:01,039 [Jillian] He was tried and got off 101 00:05:01,170 --> 00:05:02,650 again and again and again. 102 00:05:02,737 --> 00:05:04,304 [news reporter] Investigators believe 103 00:05:04,434 --> 00:05:05,783 that Samuel Little killed more people 104 00:05:05,870 --> 00:05:07,872 than serial killers Ted Bundy, 105 00:05:07,959 --> 00:05:11,267 John Wayne Gacy, and Jeffrey Dahmer combined. 106 00:05:12,224 --> 00:05:13,051 [Jillian] If you weren't locked up, 107 00:05:13,182 --> 00:05:15,663 I'd probably be dead by now. 108 00:05:15,793 --> 00:05:17,621 [Sam] You're right. 109 00:05:22,757 --> 00:05:24,889 [Jillian] Okay. 110 00:05:25,020 --> 00:05:26,238 [melancholy music] 111 00:05:26,326 --> 00:05:27,631 [Scott] There's some stuff up here 112 00:05:27,762 --> 00:05:30,591 that we vowed never to bring down. 113 00:05:30,721 --> 00:05:32,375 [Jillian] Which? 114 00:05:32,506 --> 00:05:33,811 Oh, we'll find out when we bring it down. 115 00:05:33,942 --> 00:05:35,552 -[laughs] -There's just some horrific 116 00:05:35,639 --> 00:05:37,206 things in here: 117 00:05:37,293 --> 00:05:39,861 pictures and... keepsakes 118 00:05:39,991 --> 00:05:42,080 and old family heirlooms 119 00:05:42,211 --> 00:05:44,909 that trigger a bunch of old memories. 120 00:05:45,997 --> 00:05:48,043 [Jillian] I-I'm an obsessive documentarian. 121 00:05:48,173 --> 00:05:49,566 I've kept a journal every day of my life 122 00:05:49,697 --> 00:05:51,263 since I was eight years old, 123 00:05:51,394 --> 00:05:54,310 but, um, I never, ever look back at it. 124 00:05:55,442 --> 00:05:57,574 Here. 125 00:05:57,705 --> 00:06:00,490 Um, this is--let's see. 126 00:06:00,621 --> 00:06:03,624 This is my first... book, 127 00:06:03,754 --> 00:06:05,800 the first book I published, anyway. 128 00:06:05,930 --> 00:06:09,847 Um... and, uh, it's my memoir, 129 00:06:09,934 --> 00:06:11,240 Some Girls: My Life in a Harem. 130 00:06:11,327 --> 00:06:12,807 It is about the fact 131 00:06:12,937 --> 00:06:14,722 that I lived in a harem in Southeast Asia 132 00:06:14,852 --> 00:06:17,159 when I was 18. 133 00:06:17,289 --> 00:06:19,248 Oh. 134 00:06:19,379 --> 00:06:22,251 Look, here's a signed... 135 00:06:22,382 --> 00:06:24,949 signed copy of Scott's CD. 136 00:06:26,211 --> 00:06:28,431 This is actually one of my favorite albums of theirs. 137 00:06:28,562 --> 00:06:31,695 It's Everything Will Be Alright in the End. 138 00:06:31,826 --> 00:06:34,655 What's your favorite of-of your recent albums? 139 00:06:34,785 --> 00:06:36,352 Probably Make Believefor me. 140 00:06:36,483 --> 00:06:37,745 And that was so--yeah. 141 00:06:37,875 --> 00:06:39,486 Yeah, I--that was... 142 00:06:39,573 --> 00:06:42,489 probably the last time I had, like, a real blast 143 00:06:42,619 --> 00:06:43,490 making a whole record was with-- 144 00:06:43,620 --> 00:06:45,448 [Jillian] Make Believe? 145 00:06:45,579 --> 00:06:46,623 No, the Everything Will Be Alright in the End... 146 00:06:46,754 --> 00:06:47,668 [Jillian] Everything?Yeah. 147 00:06:47,798 --> 00:06:49,191 ...'cause it was Ric Ocasek, 148 00:06:49,321 --> 00:06:50,497 -and we were there every day... -Yeah. 149 00:06:50,627 --> 00:06:52,020 ...and the whole band was there. 150 00:06:52,150 --> 00:06:52,760 Okay, this one, the "photos and keeps," 151 00:06:52,890 --> 00:06:53,543 not that one. 152 00:06:53,630 --> 00:06:55,284 This is, like... 153 00:06:55,415 --> 00:06:56,372 [Scott] You-you just wanna just steady it there 154 00:06:56,503 --> 00:06:57,329 and I'll come grab it? 155 00:06:57,460 --> 00:06:59,288 [Jillian grunts] 156 00:06:59,419 --> 00:07:02,291 My husband on a Sunday night 157 00:07:02,422 --> 00:07:05,816 has to, you know, be making a pot of spaghetti 158 00:07:05,947 --> 00:07:07,688 while I come home from prison, 159 00:07:07,818 --> 00:07:09,516 and then I unload it all on him. 160 00:07:09,646 --> 00:07:10,952 [laughs] 161 00:07:11,082 --> 00:07:14,477 That's a lot... for anyone. 162 00:07:14,608 --> 00:07:17,828 Oh, wait, no! Look, here's a cute one of us. 163 00:07:17,959 --> 00:07:19,395 [disquieting music] 164 00:07:23,573 --> 00:07:25,053 [Jillian] Yeah, I love him with all my heart, 165 00:07:25,140 --> 00:07:27,621 and he is-- 166 00:07:27,751 --> 00:07:30,450 you know, he's my partner in life. 167 00:07:30,580 --> 00:07:34,366 I feel like he's-- like you were with Jean, 168 00:07:34,497 --> 00:07:37,021 we have the same kind of path, 169 00:07:37,152 --> 00:07:39,981 and he's my road dog, 170 00:07:40,111 --> 00:07:42,984 and he is the father of my sons. 171 00:07:43,114 --> 00:07:44,681 Yes, I love him. 172 00:08:02,786 --> 00:08:04,309 ♪ 173 00:08:04,396 --> 00:08:06,398 You know, as-as uncomfortable as it is 174 00:08:06,529 --> 00:08:08,749 to-to be around and to hear 175 00:08:08,879 --> 00:08:11,491 her talking to him, you know, 176 00:08:11,621 --> 00:08:14,929 and to kind of see the damage that it's done to her, 177 00:08:15,016 --> 00:08:17,235 you know, coming home from prison on Sunday 178 00:08:17,366 --> 00:08:18,889 or every day on the phone, 179 00:08:19,020 --> 00:08:21,457 you know, for however many months, 180 00:08:21,544 --> 00:08:24,591 you know, I just keep thinking about the victims' families 181 00:08:24,721 --> 00:08:27,724 and how the--all these women 182 00:08:27,855 --> 00:08:30,379 were just kind of, like, just brushed off. 183 00:08:30,510 --> 00:08:31,815 It's not about me. 184 00:08:31,946 --> 00:08:33,948 It's just, like, "How can I support you 185 00:08:34,078 --> 00:08:35,471 "in getting this project done, 186 00:08:35,602 --> 00:08:39,562 "which we agreed is gonna ruin our lives 187 00:08:39,693 --> 00:08:41,782 "and possibly institutionalize us, 188 00:08:41,912 --> 00:08:43,958 "but, uh, with the goal to be the-- 189 00:08:44,088 --> 00:08:47,527 to do some, you know-- to help?" 190 00:08:47,657 --> 00:08:49,441 And that we were strong enough 191 00:08:49,572 --> 00:08:51,139 and our marriage was strong enough 192 00:08:51,269 --> 00:08:53,445 that we could get through it, you know, 193 00:08:53,576 --> 00:08:55,230 and we can recover. 194 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,928 You know, and then it trickles down into the kids too. 195 00:08:58,059 --> 00:09:03,020 I miss my kids' soccer games 196 00:09:03,151 --> 00:09:06,676 to go to a prison an hour and a half away... 197 00:09:06,807 --> 00:09:08,199 Can I open my present? 198 00:09:08,330 --> 00:09:10,027 [Tariku] Yes. 199 00:09:10,158 --> 00:09:12,421 [Jillian] ...you know, and-and spend my Sundays 200 00:09:12,552 --> 00:09:15,859 in a men's maximum security prison... 201 00:09:15,990 --> 00:09:17,339 Oh, they're beautiful! 202 00:09:17,469 --> 00:09:18,819 And they're real. 203 00:09:18,949 --> 00:09:21,169 [Jillian] ...eating Lay's potato chips 204 00:09:21,299 --> 00:09:24,433 with a man who, 205 00:09:24,564 --> 00:09:27,392 as much as we talk about everything, 206 00:09:27,523 --> 00:09:30,482 I hate his fucking guts. 207 00:09:30,613 --> 00:09:34,008 Uh, pretty much the main thing we talk about is murder 208 00:09:34,138 --> 00:09:37,489 at this point, so a year and a half of murder. 209 00:09:37,620 --> 00:09:39,230 -[Jillian] A lot of murder. -We're a little murdered out. 210 00:09:39,361 --> 00:09:40,928 [laughs] 211 00:09:41,058 --> 00:09:42,973 [Jillian] I'm not scared of Sam Little, 212 00:09:43,104 --> 00:09:45,976 and it's not because... 213 00:09:46,107 --> 00:09:49,240 he can't or won't hurt me 214 00:09:49,327 --> 00:09:50,459 or doesn't want to, 'cause he does. 215 00:09:50,590 --> 00:09:52,592 Of course he does. 216 00:09:52,722 --> 00:09:54,202 He-he tells me as much. 217 00:09:54,376 --> 00:09:55,725 ♪ 218 00:09:55,856 --> 00:09:57,379 You know-- 219 00:09:58,467 --> 00:10:00,643 [Jillian] I was just scared you were gonna kill me. 220 00:10:03,994 --> 00:10:05,169 [Jillian] Well, not now, 221 00:10:05,256 --> 00:10:07,868 'cause prison. 222 00:10:07,998 --> 00:10:10,784 But I'm not scared of him, 'cause I just won't be. 223 00:10:10,958 --> 00:10:12,960 ♪ 224 00:10:13,090 --> 00:10:14,744 I just won't be. 225 00:10:14,918 --> 00:10:17,268 ♪ 226 00:10:17,399 --> 00:10:19,967 I just refuse to be. 227 00:10:20,097 --> 00:10:23,231 He feeds off women's fear, 228 00:10:23,361 --> 00:10:24,928 and I won't give it to him. 229 00:10:25,102 --> 00:10:26,669 ♪ 230 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:28,192 Her going through these cases 231 00:10:28,279 --> 00:10:30,499 and poring over these stories 232 00:10:30,630 --> 00:10:33,850 and looking through the-the victims' histories 233 00:10:33,937 --> 00:10:37,114 and then hearing Sam, you know, tell her about it 234 00:10:37,245 --> 00:10:39,160 and what she's had to do to get Sam 235 00:10:39,290 --> 00:10:41,728 to open up to her and trust her, 236 00:10:41,815 --> 00:10:44,382 uh, and then the effect on her 237 00:10:44,513 --> 00:10:46,080 has just been devastating. 238 00:10:46,254 --> 00:10:49,213 ♪ 239 00:10:50,867 --> 00:10:54,001 [crying] 240 00:10:54,131 --> 00:10:56,656 Feels to me like he's trying to kill her 241 00:10:56,786 --> 00:10:58,440 like, through the phone, basically. 242 00:10:58,614 --> 00:11:01,530 ♪ 243 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,840 She kind of has to go emotionally to a place 244 00:11:06,927 --> 00:11:10,278 that would destroy most humans. 245 00:11:10,452 --> 00:11:12,846 ♪ 246 00:11:12,933 --> 00:11:15,413 I can't talk to this piece of shit anymore. 247 00:11:17,024 --> 00:11:18,895 [Scott] And even though she's, you know, 248 00:11:18,982 --> 00:11:22,682 definitely one of the toughest people I've ever met, it's... 249 00:11:22,812 --> 00:11:26,120 it's just--it's ruinous. 250 00:11:26,250 --> 00:11:30,864 This story, this man, is fucking ruinous. 251 00:11:31,038 --> 00:11:33,910 ♪ 252 00:11:37,435 --> 00:11:40,090 [Jillian] You never get used to it. 253 00:11:40,221 --> 00:11:43,920 Sam's memory is imbued with rich detail. 254 00:11:44,007 --> 00:11:46,531 Every time he tells me about a murder, 255 00:11:46,662 --> 00:11:49,883 I find myself irrationally hoping 256 00:11:50,013 --> 00:11:53,060 this will be the one that got away, 257 00:11:53,190 --> 00:11:55,323 but she never does. 258 00:11:55,497 --> 00:11:58,413 ♪ 259 00:12:08,510 --> 00:12:13,080 I'm actively looking into the confessions 260 00:12:13,210 --> 00:12:17,475 that haven't been matched yet to cold cases 261 00:12:17,562 --> 00:12:21,131 and Jane Does because I have access to him, 262 00:12:21,262 --> 00:12:22,742 so I can find something out, 263 00:12:22,829 --> 00:12:25,483 then go ask him some questions about it, 264 00:12:25,614 --> 00:12:28,748 and I-I've been focusing on Los Angeles 265 00:12:28,878 --> 00:12:30,837 because that's where I live, 266 00:12:30,924 --> 00:12:33,578 so I can go and look at the spots 267 00:12:33,709 --> 00:12:36,407 and actually see what he's talking about, 268 00:12:36,538 --> 00:12:38,279 see what works or doesn't work. 269 00:12:44,764 --> 00:12:46,026 [Jillian] Uh-huh. 270 00:12:46,156 --> 00:12:47,331 Tell me more about Alice. 271 00:13:14,228 --> 00:13:17,144 ♪ 272 00:13:24,804 --> 00:13:26,980 [Jillian] My friend Justin Hairston 273 00:13:27,110 --> 00:13:28,068 is coming over. 274 00:13:28,198 --> 00:13:29,678 Hey. 275 00:13:29,809 --> 00:13:31,332 He's a very dear friend of my family. 276 00:13:31,462 --> 00:13:33,856 He's also our boxing coach, 277 00:13:33,943 --> 00:13:37,947 and he is a highly trained combat veteran, 278 00:13:38,078 --> 00:13:41,559 so he'll sometimes come along with me on research trips 279 00:13:41,690 --> 00:13:43,387 if I'm going to areas 280 00:13:43,474 --> 00:13:45,215 that can be dangerous 281 00:13:45,346 --> 00:13:47,391 so I have somebody watching my back. 282 00:13:47,522 --> 00:13:48,523 Thanks for coming over today. 283 00:13:48,653 --> 00:13:50,090 [Justin] No problem. 284 00:13:50,220 --> 00:13:51,743 [Jillian] He's been really helpful to me 285 00:13:51,874 --> 00:13:55,051 because he sees things that I don't see, 286 00:13:55,138 --> 00:13:58,446 and he asks me questions 287 00:13:58,576 --> 00:14:03,407 that sometimes spark ideas or plans. 288 00:14:03,494 --> 00:14:05,366 So what are we getting into today? 289 00:14:05,496 --> 00:14:08,282 Mm, I'm gonna show you. 290 00:14:08,412 --> 00:14:13,113 We've been focusing on the LA confessions. 291 00:14:13,243 --> 00:14:15,898 The victim that we're looking at today 292 00:14:15,985 --> 00:14:19,771 is a woman that Sam strangled 293 00:14:19,902 --> 00:14:21,904 around 1991, 294 00:14:22,035 --> 00:14:24,559 probably sometime June, July, 295 00:14:24,689 --> 00:14:26,735 sometime in the summer; he remembers it was warm. 296 00:14:26,866 --> 00:14:30,870 He said her name was Alice, 297 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:32,088 and the way that he described it, 298 00:14:32,219 --> 00:14:35,048 he described a particular motel 299 00:14:35,178 --> 00:14:39,139 that he picked her up at on Central and 55th Street. 300 00:14:39,269 --> 00:14:40,662 [desolate music] 301 00:14:40,792 --> 00:14:44,361 Did you meet Alice at that motel? 302 00:14:57,374 --> 00:14:59,420 [Jillian] It's-it's not a motel anymore, 303 00:14:59,550 --> 00:15:02,249 but I'm looking at it right now. 304 00:15:03,250 --> 00:15:05,948 He was able to identify the building 305 00:15:06,035 --> 00:15:07,645 when I showed him a picture of it 306 00:15:07,776 --> 00:15:09,604 as, um, the building where he picked up Alice. 307 00:15:09,734 --> 00:15:11,432 [Justin] Right. 308 00:15:11,562 --> 00:15:14,348 [Jillian] Now we need to follow his directions from there 309 00:15:14,435 --> 00:15:16,916 to try to locate the place where he killed her. 310 00:15:17,090 --> 00:15:19,788 ♪ 311 00:15:19,875 --> 00:15:24,401 So this is the map that he drew for me. 312 00:15:24,488 --> 00:15:27,578 He said he drove down Central, strangled her, 313 00:15:27,709 --> 00:15:31,408 left her under an overpass of some kind 314 00:15:31,539 --> 00:15:32,975 or a bridge. 315 00:15:47,511 --> 00:15:49,165 [Jillian] Okay. 316 00:15:49,296 --> 00:15:51,646 And I just keep-keep going, keep going. 317 00:15:51,776 --> 00:15:52,952 Where did you stop? 318 00:15:59,915 --> 00:16:01,786 [Jillian] So, like, west, toward the beach? 319 00:16:05,877 --> 00:16:08,880 [Jillian] Initially when he told me about it, 320 00:16:09,011 --> 00:16:10,839 he was like, "It's all the way down Central, 321 00:16:10,926 --> 00:16:13,494 toward the beach, toward the beach," 322 00:16:13,624 --> 00:16:15,365 and I was just like-- 323 00:16:15,496 --> 00:16:17,411 you know, I'm looking at the map, and I'm like, 324 00:16:17,541 --> 00:16:19,587 "Central doesn't go to the beach." 325 00:16:19,674 --> 00:16:20,980 [Justin] Right. 326 00:16:21,110 --> 00:16:23,112 And like many of his confessions, 327 00:16:23,243 --> 00:16:24,940 it's frustrating, because there'll be 328 00:16:25,071 --> 00:16:27,508 three or four things that are, like, perfect 329 00:16:27,595 --> 00:16:30,946 and then one thing that doesn't fit. 330 00:16:31,947 --> 00:16:34,863 He says that he heard from someone on the street 331 00:16:34,994 --> 00:16:37,170 that there had been an article in the newspaper 332 00:16:37,257 --> 00:16:40,651 that a bicyclist riding over an overpass 333 00:16:40,782 --> 00:16:41,783 had spotted the body. 334 00:16:57,842 --> 00:16:59,801 [foreboding music] 335 00:16:59,931 --> 00:17:01,150 I've been searching and searching 336 00:17:01,281 --> 00:17:02,456 and searching for that article... 337 00:17:02,586 --> 00:17:06,242 -Mm-hmm. -...and, uh... 338 00:17:06,373 --> 00:17:08,723 I could not find one 339 00:17:08,853 --> 00:17:11,769 for either one of these overpasses 340 00:17:11,900 --> 00:17:14,772 I already looked at on Central. 341 00:17:14,903 --> 00:17:16,513 But we just had a little wild card 342 00:17:16,644 --> 00:17:17,906 thrown into this, 343 00:17:18,037 --> 00:17:22,171 because I did find an article, 344 00:17:22,258 --> 00:17:24,391 but it's from a totally different location 345 00:17:24,521 --> 00:17:26,958 ten miles south of where he said he dumped her. 346 00:17:27,089 --> 00:17:29,396 It's in the city of Long Beach. 347 00:17:29,526 --> 00:17:32,834 It's from the LA Times, June 12, 1991, 348 00:17:32,964 --> 00:17:35,967 about a woman who had been strangled 349 00:17:36,055 --> 00:17:39,188 who was discovered by a cyclist, 350 00:17:39,319 --> 00:17:41,756 and it says, "A man walking with his wife and child 351 00:17:41,843 --> 00:17:44,933 "near the Metro Rail Blue Line in Long Beach 352 00:17:45,020 --> 00:17:47,153 "stumbled across the body of a woman Monday night 353 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,546 "about 500 feet south 354 00:17:49,677 --> 00:17:52,201 "of the dead end of Dominguez Street 355 00:17:52,332 --> 00:17:54,203 "around 7:30 p.m. 356 00:17:54,334 --> 00:17:56,162 "Detectives believe she died elsewhere 357 00:17:56,249 --> 00:17:58,773 and that her body was dumped near the tracks," 358 00:17:58,903 --> 00:18:01,950 which would be consistent with what he generally did. 359 00:18:02,081 --> 00:18:03,430 -[Justin] Right. -[Jillian] No visible signs 360 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:04,909 of trauma on the woman, 361 00:18:04,996 --> 00:18:07,086 that also was often true for him 362 00:18:07,216 --> 00:18:08,304 because strangulation-- 363 00:18:08,435 --> 00:18:09,262 -Strangulation, right. -Mm-hmm. 364 00:18:09,392 --> 00:18:10,915 "Twenty or 30 years old, 365 00:18:11,046 --> 00:18:12,830 "fully clothed but no shoes, 366 00:18:12,917 --> 00:18:14,963 purse, money, or identification." 367 00:18:15,094 --> 00:18:16,138 [Justin] What did he do with their belongings? 368 00:18:16,225 --> 00:18:17,400 [Jillian] Also smart. 369 00:18:17,531 --> 00:18:18,401 You know, he would throw them out 370 00:18:18,488 --> 00:18:19,707 in different locations. 371 00:18:19,837 --> 00:18:21,535 -Oh, just get rid of them? -Mm-hmm. 372 00:18:21,665 --> 00:18:22,144 He wouldn't keep stuff, would he, like trophies or-- 373 00:18:22,231 --> 00:18:23,189 No. 374 00:18:30,718 --> 00:18:32,285 [Jillian] We need to drive down to Long Beach 375 00:18:32,415 --> 00:18:35,114 and try to find the location from this article. 376 00:18:35,244 --> 00:18:37,855 I'm really looking forward to actually looking 377 00:18:37,942 --> 00:18:41,859 at the geography of the locations 378 00:18:41,990 --> 00:18:45,428 and seeing how it matches or doesn't match 379 00:18:45,559 --> 00:18:46,777 his descriptions. 380 00:18:46,864 --> 00:18:49,824 [somber music] 381 00:18:49,954 --> 00:18:52,174 Do you remember when you strangled her? 382 00:18:52,305 --> 00:18:54,133 Can you tell me about that? 383 00:19:04,926 --> 00:19:05,796 [Jillian] Uh-huh. 384 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:27,949 [Jillian] We're gonna imagine ourselves 385 00:19:28,079 --> 00:19:29,559 looking through his eyes and seeing 386 00:19:29,690 --> 00:19:32,345 if this site makes sense, 387 00:19:32,475 --> 00:19:35,391 based on the story that he told me. 388 00:19:35,478 --> 00:19:38,307 [ominous music] 389 00:19:38,438 --> 00:19:41,876 This is a totally new spot 390 00:19:41,963 --> 00:19:45,619 that we just found from finding this article. 391 00:19:45,793 --> 00:19:47,490 ♪ 392 00:19:47,577 --> 00:19:49,797 [Justin] It says to go-- is that a street? 393 00:19:49,884 --> 00:19:50,972 Okay, that's a street. 394 00:19:51,102 --> 00:19:52,713 [Jillian] Here's the Blue Line. 395 00:19:52,887 --> 00:19:56,107 ♪ 396 00:19:56,195 --> 00:19:58,719 [Justin] You wanna go back to the train tracks-- 397 00:19:58,849 --> 00:19:59,937 [Jillian] Hang on, let me just figure out 398 00:20:00,068 --> 00:20:01,809 where Dominguez Street is, 399 00:20:01,939 --> 00:20:03,854 and then-and then we'll have it. 400 00:20:03,985 --> 00:20:06,422 [cell phone ringing] 401 00:20:07,641 --> 00:20:08,859 [Jillian] It's Sam. 402 00:20:08,990 --> 00:20:10,383 -[Justin] Samuel. -[Jillian] Sam. 403 00:20:11,862 --> 00:20:13,429 [operator] This is Global Tel Link. 404 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:15,779 You have a prepaid call from... 405 00:20:15,910 --> 00:20:17,390 [Sam] Mr. Sam. 406 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:18,391 [line beeps] 407 00:20:19,740 --> 00:20:20,871 [Jillian] Mr. Sam. 408 00:20:23,222 --> 00:20:25,311 [Jillian] You managed to call. 409 00:20:25,441 --> 00:20:27,182 I wanna tell you that right now, 410 00:20:27,313 --> 00:20:29,619 I'm looking for Alice. 411 00:20:29,706 --> 00:20:32,579 I'm in--almost to Long Beach, 412 00:20:32,709 --> 00:20:34,450 and I am looking 413 00:20:34,581 --> 00:20:38,106 at one other overpass 414 00:20:38,237 --> 00:20:40,935 that I found in an article 415 00:20:41,065 --> 00:20:43,546 where there was a body found. 416 00:20:43,677 --> 00:20:47,246 So there might yet be one more place. 417 00:20:48,421 --> 00:20:50,553 [Jillian] It was 1991. 418 00:20:50,684 --> 00:20:51,554 [Sam] Hmm. 419 00:20:51,685 --> 00:20:53,948 Almost to Long Beach, 420 00:20:54,078 --> 00:20:56,342 and it was an overpass. 421 00:21:03,479 --> 00:21:05,612 I-I am in an area right now 422 00:21:05,742 --> 00:21:08,049 that I-I read an article about. 423 00:21:18,929 --> 00:21:21,628 [Jillian] I think you-you drove long distances 424 00:21:21,758 --> 00:21:22,759 pretty easily. 425 00:21:27,677 --> 00:21:29,853 Well, I'm not-I'm not sure it was yours. 426 00:21:29,984 --> 00:21:31,551 I'm just here looking around. 427 00:21:31,681 --> 00:21:33,292 I'm doing--here doing my thing. 428 00:21:36,425 --> 00:21:37,513 [Jillian] Okay, Mr. Sam. 429 00:21:38,993 --> 00:21:40,299 Bye-bye. 430 00:21:41,952 --> 00:21:45,129 Um, so, uh... 431 00:21:45,260 --> 00:21:49,786 we now know he may have driven to Long Beach, he says. 432 00:21:49,917 --> 00:21:52,093 We're gonna go take a look at the geography 433 00:21:52,223 --> 00:21:53,834 and get the lay of the land 434 00:21:53,921 --> 00:21:56,053 and see what fits and what doesn't. 435 00:21:56,184 --> 00:21:58,752 We're just gonna go straight. 436 00:21:58,882 --> 00:22:00,144 [Justin] And left on Dominguez right there. 437 00:22:00,275 --> 00:22:01,581 [Jillian] And left-- 438 00:22:01,668 --> 00:22:02,886 so it's, like, the second street. 439 00:22:03,017 --> 00:22:04,497 That looks like it. 440 00:22:04,627 --> 00:22:06,020 That's definitely where the street dead-ends. 441 00:22:06,150 --> 00:22:07,717 [Justin clears throat] 442 00:22:07,891 --> 00:22:10,764 ♪ 443 00:22:12,983 --> 00:22:15,551 [Jillian] Here we go. 444 00:22:15,638 --> 00:22:18,337 So it's 500 feet south 445 00:22:18,467 --> 00:22:20,730 of the dead end 446 00:22:20,861 --> 00:22:21,949 -of Dominguez Street. -[Justin] Okay. 447 00:22:22,123 --> 00:22:25,169 ♪ 448 00:22:25,256 --> 00:22:26,649 -[Jillian] Is that a trail? -[Justin] South. 449 00:22:26,780 --> 00:22:28,651 [Justin] Let's see. 450 00:22:28,782 --> 00:22:29,957 [Jillian] Is there, like, a bike path 451 00:22:30,044 --> 00:22:31,045 that goes over there? 452 00:22:31,175 --> 00:22:32,742 I think there is. 453 00:22:32,829 --> 00:22:35,354 [Justin] There is. So--oh, there's an overpass. 454 00:22:37,704 --> 00:22:39,706 [Jillian] Oh, yeah, look, and it's right near the road, 455 00:22:39,836 --> 00:22:42,230 and there's an overpass with a bike-- 456 00:22:47,366 --> 00:22:52,022 So a woman's body found near Blue Line tracks 457 00:22:52,153 --> 00:22:54,895 June 12, 1991. 458 00:22:55,025 --> 00:22:56,897 And the tracks are... 459 00:22:57,027 --> 00:22:59,029 For--oh, yeah, right up there. 460 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,423 -You ready? -[Jillian] Let's do it. 461 00:23:01,510 --> 00:23:04,339 [investigative music] 462 00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:06,036 I-I think that that's a pedestrian 463 00:23:06,167 --> 00:23:08,299 or a bicycle trail 464 00:23:08,387 --> 00:23:10,214 up there somewhere, 465 00:23:10,345 --> 00:23:12,391 um, and this is the... 466 00:23:14,175 --> 00:23:16,743 ...this is the Long Beach Freeway, 467 00:23:16,873 --> 00:23:19,354 so this is 710 here. 468 00:23:19,528 --> 00:23:22,444 ♪ 469 00:23:25,404 --> 00:23:27,536 So one of the things he said 470 00:23:27,623 --> 00:23:30,583 was that if she had rolled two or three feet, 471 00:23:30,670 --> 00:23:31,801 she would've been on the freeway. 472 00:23:31,975 --> 00:23:34,195 ♪ 473 00:23:34,325 --> 00:23:38,199 He said looked up and saw an overpass. 474 00:23:38,329 --> 00:23:39,722 That is a pedestrian overpass. 475 00:23:41,550 --> 00:23:44,466 Hey, yo, and come this way. 476 00:23:44,597 --> 00:23:45,554 [Jillian] Oh, yeah. Look at that. 477 00:23:45,685 --> 00:23:46,686 [Justin] Yeah. 478 00:23:48,209 --> 00:23:49,428 Goes all the way up. 479 00:23:51,081 --> 00:23:52,996 -Got it? -[Jillian] Yup. 480 00:23:53,127 --> 00:23:54,563 [Justin] There's train tracks. 481 00:23:54,737 --> 00:23:56,391 ♪ 482 00:23:56,522 --> 00:23:57,610 [Jillian] God, would you be walking 483 00:23:57,740 --> 00:23:59,350 your bicycle by here... 484 00:24:01,614 --> 00:24:02,832 -...or would you be walking... -[Justin] That's the overpass. 485 00:24:02,963 --> 00:24:04,617 [Jillian] ...your bicycle over there? 486 00:24:04,747 --> 00:24:05,922 [Justin] So that's the-- 'cause the end of Dominguez, 487 00:24:06,053 --> 00:24:07,010 -and then that's south. -[Jillian] Yeah. 488 00:24:07,141 --> 00:24:08,621 So we came south... 489 00:24:08,751 --> 00:24:10,231 -Five hundred feet. -We're at the tracks... 490 00:24:10,361 --> 00:24:11,275 -Yeah. -...the train tracks, 491 00:24:11,406 --> 00:24:12,407 so we're, like--we're close. 492 00:24:12,538 --> 00:24:14,104 [Jillian] This is it. 493 00:24:14,235 --> 00:24:17,673 I mean, th-this is where it's describing, for sure. 494 00:24:17,847 --> 00:24:20,981 ♪ 495 00:24:21,111 --> 00:24:25,725 Whether it was Sam's victim, we don't know, 496 00:24:25,812 --> 00:24:29,380 but it sure looks like a lot of Sam's crime scenes. 497 00:24:29,555 --> 00:24:32,471 ♪ 498 00:24:35,909 --> 00:24:38,389 Coming here at night gave me a chance 499 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,261 to see it through his eyes, 500 00:24:40,391 --> 00:24:45,092 and this spot feels very Sam to me. 501 00:24:45,222 --> 00:24:47,137 [melancholy music] 502 00:24:47,224 --> 00:24:50,663 ♪ 503 00:24:51,664 --> 00:24:53,274 Well, the first questions that I have 504 00:24:53,404 --> 00:24:55,102 are gonna be for law enforcement, 505 00:24:55,232 --> 00:24:58,192 because I wanna know, uh, was this case closed? 506 00:24:58,322 --> 00:25:00,542 You know, is--or is it still a cold case? 507 00:25:00,716 --> 00:25:02,675 ♪ 508 00:25:02,805 --> 00:25:04,285 And if it's still cold, 509 00:25:04,372 --> 00:25:06,330 could the victim be Alice? 510 00:25:06,417 --> 00:25:09,595 [uneasy music] 511 00:25:09,725 --> 00:25:13,947 It's easy to look at from the outside and say, 512 00:25:14,077 --> 00:25:16,427 "Well, why can't you just find this case? 513 00:25:16,558 --> 00:25:18,560 "He says he killed this woman 514 00:25:18,691 --> 00:25:20,997 on this corner in this year." 515 00:25:22,346 --> 00:25:25,436 There's this... conception 516 00:25:25,567 --> 00:25:29,092 that he has this photographic memory, 517 00:25:29,223 --> 00:25:32,792 which is sort of a myth. 518 00:25:32,922 --> 00:25:36,578 Yes, some details are really specific, 519 00:25:36,709 --> 00:25:39,494 but when I started really looking into it, 520 00:25:39,625 --> 00:25:42,758 the dates are all off. 521 00:25:42,889 --> 00:25:46,545 He doesn't know anyone's name for the most part. 522 00:25:47,850 --> 00:25:50,157 What I learned was 523 00:25:50,244 --> 00:25:53,464 that if you can find the key 524 00:25:53,595 --> 00:25:56,206 to unlock 525 00:25:56,293 --> 00:26:00,080 the detail where he's wrong... 526 00:26:00,254 --> 00:26:02,473 ♪ 527 00:26:02,604 --> 00:26:05,781 ...you can start to follow the thread. 528 00:26:05,868 --> 00:26:07,566 ♪ 529 00:26:07,696 --> 00:26:10,873 And then maybe I can then pass that on 530 00:26:11,004 --> 00:26:13,093 to law enforcement 531 00:26:13,223 --> 00:26:15,443 and they can translate that 532 00:26:15,574 --> 00:26:17,706 into a solve of a case. 533 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,752 ♪ 534 00:26:19,882 --> 00:26:21,536 [news reporter] The FBI is asking for help 535 00:26:21,667 --> 00:26:23,756 connecting victims to this man 536 00:26:23,886 --> 00:26:25,279 you see right now on your screen. 537 00:26:25,409 --> 00:26:26,628 This is Samuel Little. 538 00:26:26,759 --> 00:26:29,239 He confessed to 93 murders. 539 00:26:29,413 --> 00:26:32,286 ♪ 540 00:26:37,508 --> 00:26:39,119 This is a map 541 00:26:39,249 --> 00:26:43,036 of all of Sam's known and suspected murders. 542 00:26:43,210 --> 00:26:45,429 ♪ 543 00:26:45,516 --> 00:26:48,607 The black pins represent solves, 544 00:26:48,737 --> 00:26:51,479 meaning the victim has been identified, 545 00:26:51,566 --> 00:26:55,831 and the red pins represent unsolveds, 546 00:26:55,918 --> 00:26:58,225 which means that the victim 547 00:26:58,355 --> 00:27:00,531 has not been identified yet. 548 00:27:01,968 --> 00:27:04,231 [melancholy music] 549 00:27:04,361 --> 00:27:06,712 I keep this, and it reminds me 550 00:27:06,842 --> 00:27:09,802 of really, truly the-the scope 551 00:27:09,932 --> 00:27:13,153 of the wreckage that he caused. 552 00:27:13,327 --> 00:27:15,982 ♪ 553 00:27:16,112 --> 00:27:17,810 It's important for me 554 00:27:17,940 --> 00:27:21,465 to see visually 555 00:27:21,552 --> 00:27:24,077 what 93 dead women 556 00:27:24,207 --> 00:27:27,471 looks like. 557 00:27:27,602 --> 00:27:29,996 It-it's really hard to wrap your head 558 00:27:30,126 --> 00:27:31,780 around that number. 559 00:27:31,911 --> 00:27:34,522 Just to keep it in perspective is, 560 00:27:34,653 --> 00:27:38,569 I imagine, um, there are-are 93 houses... 561 00:27:38,744 --> 00:27:40,441 ♪ 562 00:27:40,571 --> 00:27:43,531 ...like a street with 93 houses on it, 563 00:27:43,662 --> 00:27:45,054 and every single one of those houses 564 00:27:45,141 --> 00:27:47,404 has a family in it, 565 00:27:47,535 --> 00:27:50,407 and every one of them suffered 566 00:27:50,538 --> 00:27:55,543 a loss that is very... 567 00:27:55,630 --> 00:27:57,719 difficult for most of us to imagine. 568 00:27:57,893 --> 00:28:00,330 ♪ 569 00:28:00,461 --> 00:28:02,158 [news reporter] Thirty-four unsolved murders 570 00:28:02,245 --> 00:28:03,769 have been linked to Little. 571 00:28:03,899 --> 00:28:06,293 Now the FBI is trying to solve several more 572 00:28:06,423 --> 00:28:09,122 with help from the public and haunting paintings 573 00:28:09,252 --> 00:28:11,515 drawn by the monster who claims he killed them. 574 00:28:11,646 --> 00:28:13,430 The FBI is hoping to solve as many cases 575 00:28:13,561 --> 00:28:15,345 as quickly as possible. 576 00:28:15,476 --> 00:28:17,565 Sam Little is 78 years old and in poor health. 577 00:28:17,739 --> 00:28:20,089 ♪ 578 00:28:20,220 --> 00:28:23,005 [Jillian] Do I think that these families 579 00:28:23,136 --> 00:28:24,354 deserve answers? 580 00:28:24,485 --> 00:28:26,617 Yes. 581 00:28:26,748 --> 00:28:29,838 But "closure" is a tough word. 582 00:28:29,969 --> 00:28:33,712 I have not talked to one family member 583 00:28:33,842 --> 00:28:38,194 of a murder victim who has ever said that word. 584 00:28:38,325 --> 00:28:42,155 I feel like it's a word that other people use... 585 00:28:43,722 --> 00:28:47,551 ...to reconcile themselves 586 00:28:47,638 --> 00:28:49,466 with violence. 587 00:28:49,597 --> 00:28:51,033 [ethereal music] 588 00:28:51,164 --> 00:28:52,861 Here's Mary Brosley. 589 00:28:53,035 --> 00:28:55,516 ♪ 590 00:28:55,646 --> 00:28:58,388 Here's Rose Evans. 591 00:28:58,519 --> 00:29:01,435 This is Denise Brothers. 592 00:29:01,565 --> 00:29:04,525 This is Agatha White Buffalo. 593 00:29:04,655 --> 00:29:08,137 What I try to do is piece together 594 00:29:08,268 --> 00:29:11,619 something like the truth. 595 00:29:11,793 --> 00:29:14,100 ♪ 596 00:29:14,187 --> 00:29:17,364 I truly believe that all of these cases 597 00:29:17,494 --> 00:29:18,887 can be matched. 598 00:29:19,061 --> 00:29:20,280 ♪ 599 00:29:20,410 --> 00:29:22,543 This is an unidentified victim. 600 00:29:22,673 --> 00:29:25,546 [uneasy music] 601 00:29:25,676 --> 00:29:28,070 Gulfport. 602 00:29:28,201 --> 00:29:29,332 You remember Gulfport? 603 00:29:33,946 --> 00:29:35,382 [news reporter] Little confessed to killing 604 00:29:35,469 --> 00:29:37,079 five women in Gulfport, Mississippi, 605 00:29:37,166 --> 00:29:40,866 between the years of 1977 and 1992. 606 00:29:40,953 --> 00:29:42,519 Three of these victims have been identified 607 00:29:42,650 --> 00:29:44,783 as Julia Critchfield, 608 00:29:44,913 --> 00:29:46,610 Tina Taylor, 609 00:29:46,741 --> 00:29:48,787 and Tracy Lynn Johnson. 610 00:29:48,917 --> 00:29:50,353 The names of the other two victims 611 00:29:50,484 --> 00:29:53,095 are still unknown. 612 00:29:53,226 --> 00:29:56,055 You strangled two friends in one night, right, 613 00:29:56,185 --> 00:29:57,143 in Gulfport? 614 00:30:08,023 --> 00:30:11,505 ♪ 615 00:30:12,549 --> 00:30:14,595 [Jeremy] In the early '90s, about '92, 616 00:30:14,682 --> 00:30:16,423 I called my father, 617 00:30:16,553 --> 00:30:18,207 wanted to just check in on him, 618 00:30:18,338 --> 00:30:20,557 and, uh, he told me, "Son, 619 00:30:20,688 --> 00:30:22,298 they found somebody dead round here." 620 00:30:22,472 --> 00:30:24,474 ♪ 621 00:30:24,605 --> 00:30:26,172 Tina Taylor: 622 00:30:26,302 --> 00:30:29,044 light-skinned complexion, petite girl. 623 00:30:29,175 --> 00:30:32,134 You know, she had about two or three kids, 624 00:30:32,221 --> 00:30:34,745 and her mother and her brother were looking for her. 625 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,358 ♪ 626 00:30:39,272 --> 00:30:42,188 [news reporter] The body of 27-year-old Tina Taylor 627 00:30:42,318 --> 00:30:44,668 was found under a pile of tires in 1992 628 00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:46,192 in Gulfport. 629 00:30:46,322 --> 00:30:48,150 Jermaine Taylor was ten, 630 00:30:48,237 --> 00:30:50,326 his brother Marcus just seven. 631 00:30:50,457 --> 00:30:52,894 [Marcus] I wonder if my mama screamed out for help. 632 00:30:53,025 --> 00:30:54,243 I wonder if my mama thought about us 633 00:30:54,374 --> 00:30:56,376 when it was going on. 634 00:30:56,506 --> 00:30:57,899 [news reporter] Investigators checking Little's confessions 635 00:30:58,030 --> 00:30:59,901 say he is giving them specific details 636 00:31:00,032 --> 00:31:02,861 of the murders that no one but the killer would know. 637 00:31:02,991 --> 00:31:05,080 You know, you can never be at peace 638 00:31:05,211 --> 00:31:06,734 with losing your mama, 639 00:31:06,865 --> 00:31:08,518 but you can be at peace 640 00:31:08,649 --> 00:31:10,651 knowing that, you know, hey, you know what happened. 641 00:31:10,825 --> 00:31:13,175 ♪ 642 00:31:13,306 --> 00:31:14,655 [Jeremy] Tracy was a nice girl too. 643 00:31:14,742 --> 00:31:16,135 I growed up with her. 644 00:31:16,265 --> 00:31:18,964 I remember we used to play kickball. 645 00:31:19,094 --> 00:31:20,661 We used to swim out here. 646 00:31:21,923 --> 00:31:23,272 She knew everybody round here. 647 00:31:23,403 --> 00:31:25,057 We all knew her. 648 00:31:25,187 --> 00:31:26,580 [news reporter] Christmas has never been the same 649 00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:28,930 for the family of Tracy Lynn Johnson, 650 00:31:29,061 --> 00:31:31,193 the 19-year-old who went missing from Gulfport 651 00:31:31,324 --> 00:31:33,630 in December 1992. 652 00:31:33,717 --> 00:31:36,242 A few weeks later, in January of 1993, 653 00:31:36,372 --> 00:31:38,418 Johnson's body was found, 654 00:31:38,548 --> 00:31:40,768 and her family learned she had been murdered. 655 00:31:40,855 --> 00:31:44,032 It's just disbelief, knowing that this happened 656 00:31:44,119 --> 00:31:46,600 in-in such a small town, Mississippi. 657 00:31:46,687 --> 00:31:48,080 The pictures that we have here, 658 00:31:48,210 --> 00:31:49,733 you will see her smile. 659 00:31:49,864 --> 00:31:50,952 It lit up the room, 660 00:31:51,083 --> 00:31:53,520 and that was her. 661 00:31:53,650 --> 00:31:55,130 [Jeremy] Tracy, 662 00:31:55,261 --> 00:31:56,392 you know, I think about her sometimes, 663 00:31:56,523 --> 00:31:58,351 you know. 664 00:31:58,481 --> 00:32:00,744 You know, what kind of person would she have been? 665 00:32:00,831 --> 00:32:03,008 Would she have been-- would she have children? 666 00:32:03,138 --> 00:32:04,705 You know? 667 00:32:04,792 --> 00:32:07,838 What kind of occupation would she have had? 668 00:32:07,969 --> 00:32:10,972 We didn't know all these years till up to now 669 00:32:11,103 --> 00:32:13,018 this man, Samuel Little, 670 00:32:13,148 --> 00:32:16,412 was the one that actually was picking these girls up, 671 00:32:16,543 --> 00:32:18,023 taking them off, and killing them. 672 00:32:18,197 --> 00:32:21,200 ♪ 673 00:32:21,287 --> 00:32:24,507 Took mothers from daughters, mothers from fathers, 674 00:32:24,594 --> 00:32:26,945 sisters from brothers. 675 00:32:27,075 --> 00:32:29,338 Somebody's being held accountable now, 676 00:32:29,469 --> 00:32:30,949 and that's what we want. 677 00:32:32,515 --> 00:32:33,952 [news reporter] The district attorney 678 00:32:34,082 --> 00:32:35,170 has issued a warrant for the arrest 679 00:32:35,301 --> 00:32:36,998 of 78-year-old Samuel Little, 680 00:32:37,129 --> 00:32:38,652 and the Harrison County Sheriff's Department 681 00:32:38,782 --> 00:32:40,393 believes he is responsible 682 00:32:40,523 --> 00:32:42,351 for the unsolved 1978 murder 683 00:32:42,482 --> 00:32:44,832 of Julia Critchfield. 684 00:32:44,963 --> 00:32:47,617 Can you tell me about Julia? 685 00:32:47,704 --> 00:32:48,967 [Sam] Who? 686 00:32:49,097 --> 00:32:52,144 [Jillian] Julia Critchfield 687 00:32:52,274 --> 00:32:53,449 in Gulfport. 688 00:32:56,757 --> 00:32:57,845 Mm-hmm. 689 00:33:03,329 --> 00:33:04,417 [Jillian] Mm-hmm. 690 00:33:09,857 --> 00:33:11,990 [mournful music] 691 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:13,426 [June] There's Mama. 692 00:33:13,556 --> 00:33:14,340 [Coyce] That's where I got it from. 693 00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:15,384 [June] Oh, the bangs. 694 00:33:15,471 --> 00:33:17,996 That reminds me of her. 695 00:33:18,126 --> 00:33:19,910 I was 15 696 00:33:20,041 --> 00:33:23,088 when my mother was taken from me. 697 00:33:23,175 --> 00:33:24,872 I remember my mother 698 00:33:25,003 --> 00:33:29,703 as a very loving, nurturing, caring person 699 00:33:29,833 --> 00:33:31,879 with a-a huge heart. 700 00:33:32,053 --> 00:33:34,186 ♪ 701 00:33:34,316 --> 00:33:36,101 They say you get closure 702 00:33:36,231 --> 00:33:39,104 after all this time has passed, you know. 703 00:33:39,234 --> 00:33:41,367 "Now you've got him behind bars. 704 00:33:41,497 --> 00:33:42,890 Oh, you got closure," you know? 705 00:33:43,021 --> 00:33:45,545 But it's so not true. 706 00:33:45,675 --> 00:33:48,591 I can't change my heart. 707 00:33:48,678 --> 00:33:51,464 Them feelings are just like they were yesterday 708 00:33:51,551 --> 00:33:52,726 because I relive it. 709 00:33:52,900 --> 00:33:56,034 ♪ 710 00:33:56,164 --> 00:33:57,731 [Coyce] My mother was taken from us 711 00:33:57,861 --> 00:33:59,776 from an evil person. 712 00:33:59,863 --> 00:34:02,040 I have no closure. 713 00:34:02,170 --> 00:34:03,519 I have no closure 714 00:34:03,650 --> 00:34:05,695 until I see the interrogation 715 00:34:05,826 --> 00:34:07,045 and I see him convicted. 716 00:34:08,829 --> 00:34:10,265 That will be mine. 717 00:34:10,396 --> 00:34:12,224 That will be my peace. 718 00:34:12,398 --> 00:34:15,401 ♪ 719 00:34:15,488 --> 00:34:17,577 [Jillian] Sam has confessed to me, 720 00:34:17,707 --> 00:34:21,668 Sam has confessed to law enforcement officials 721 00:34:21,798 --> 00:34:22,930 across the country, 722 00:34:23,017 --> 00:34:25,367 and that's wonderful, 723 00:34:25,498 --> 00:34:27,891 but a courtroom 724 00:34:28,022 --> 00:34:31,373 is a different kind of confession, 725 00:34:31,504 --> 00:34:34,985 and I do think that there is an aspect 726 00:34:35,116 --> 00:34:37,727 of the ritual of a trial. 727 00:34:37,858 --> 00:34:41,296 It is what we've agreed upon as a society 728 00:34:41,427 --> 00:34:44,430 as the best we can do, 729 00:34:44,517 --> 00:34:47,128 imperfect as it is, for justice. 730 00:34:47,215 --> 00:34:50,000 [disquieting music] 731 00:34:50,175 --> 00:34:53,091 ♪ 732 00:34:56,790 --> 00:34:57,617 [Jillian] Mm-hmm. 733 00:34:59,619 --> 00:35:00,881 [Jillian] Mm-hmm. 734 00:35:05,451 --> 00:35:06,452 [Jillian] Mm-hmm. 735 00:35:09,107 --> 00:35:10,369 [Jillian] I will be there. 736 00:35:12,284 --> 00:35:14,112 What's happening today is, 737 00:35:14,242 --> 00:35:15,852 we're here in Cleveland, 738 00:35:15,983 --> 00:35:18,290 and we are going to the courthouse 739 00:35:18,377 --> 00:35:21,902 to watch Samuel Little plead, by Skype, 740 00:35:22,032 --> 00:35:26,559 guilty to two murders here. 741 00:35:26,689 --> 00:35:29,779 The victims are Mary Jo Peyton 742 00:35:29,910 --> 00:35:31,738 and Rose Evans. 743 00:35:33,609 --> 00:35:37,135 They were both sex workers. 744 00:35:37,265 --> 00:35:40,486 Mary Jo was killed in the mid-'80s, 745 00:35:40,616 --> 00:35:42,966 and Rose was murdered 746 00:35:43,097 --> 00:35:45,621 in the early '90s. 747 00:35:45,752 --> 00:35:47,449 You know, there was always a chance 748 00:35:47,580 --> 00:35:51,105 that any of these women could have... 749 00:35:51,192 --> 00:35:52,802 pulled their life together, 750 00:35:52,933 --> 00:35:56,110 could have made any number of choices, 751 00:35:56,241 --> 00:35:58,156 and he really took all of those choices 752 00:35:58,286 --> 00:36:00,070 away from them. 753 00:36:00,245 --> 00:36:03,161 ♪ 754 00:36:04,684 --> 00:36:05,772 I'm nervous. 755 00:36:05,902 --> 00:36:09,384 He's always a wild card, so... 756 00:36:09,471 --> 00:36:12,082 you never really know what he's gonna do. 757 00:36:12,953 --> 00:36:15,085 He is a psycho, 758 00:36:15,173 --> 00:36:17,044 so... [laughs] 759 00:36:17,131 --> 00:36:20,308 ...they're notoriously hard to count on. 760 00:36:20,482 --> 00:36:23,137 ♪ 761 00:36:23,268 --> 00:36:24,617 I have never, 762 00:36:24,747 --> 00:36:28,751 in an official and legal context, 763 00:36:28,838 --> 00:36:31,363 heard the word "guilty" come out of his mouth, 764 00:36:31,493 --> 00:36:33,669 and I am very much looking forward 765 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,584 to seeing that. 766 00:36:35,671 --> 00:36:37,195 [bailiff] All rise. 767 00:36:37,325 --> 00:36:39,153 The court of common pleas is now open. 768 00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:40,981 The Honorable John J. Russo presiding. 769 00:36:41,068 --> 00:36:43,679 ♪ 770 00:36:43,810 --> 00:36:45,377 All right, thank you. You may be seated. 771 00:36:45,551 --> 00:36:48,336 ♪ 772 00:36:48,467 --> 00:36:49,642 Mr. Bell. 773 00:36:50,947 --> 00:36:52,122 [Richard] Thank you, Your Honor. 774 00:36:53,472 --> 00:36:57,302 Some people have asked, "Why? 775 00:36:57,432 --> 00:36:59,260 "Why go forward with these cases 776 00:36:59,391 --> 00:37:02,350 if he's already serving time in prison?" 777 00:37:02,437 --> 00:37:04,570 This defendant needs to be held accountable 778 00:37:04,700 --> 00:37:06,615 for each of these crimes, 779 00:37:06,746 --> 00:37:08,748 so we've taken the position that he must plead guilty 780 00:37:08,835 --> 00:37:09,966 before this court. 781 00:37:11,794 --> 00:37:16,451 The defendant has killed 93 women across America. 782 00:37:16,582 --> 00:37:18,323 In my 30 years' experience, Your Honor, 783 00:37:18,453 --> 00:37:19,846 I've never seen anything like this 784 00:37:19,976 --> 00:37:23,110 or met anyone that was this callous. 785 00:37:23,241 --> 00:37:25,895 This particular case, this man here, 786 00:37:26,026 --> 00:37:27,593 if you can call him that, 787 00:37:27,723 --> 00:37:29,856 he's gotten away with it for a long period of time. 788 00:37:29,943 --> 00:37:31,945 After meeting him, it's clear 789 00:37:32,075 --> 00:37:34,164 anyone who followed his pattern 790 00:37:34,295 --> 00:37:36,079 could definitely get away. 791 00:37:37,646 --> 00:37:39,387 I know that people have said, you know, 792 00:37:39,518 --> 00:37:42,042 he's the luckiest guy in the world 793 00:37:42,172 --> 00:37:45,480 that he got away with this for so long. 794 00:37:45,567 --> 00:37:48,701 Uh, I don't find it a function of luck. 795 00:37:48,831 --> 00:37:52,531 I think that it was a failure of the criminal justice system. 796 00:37:52,705 --> 00:37:54,837 ♪ 797 00:37:54,968 --> 00:37:58,276 It's racism, and it's misogyny, 798 00:37:58,406 --> 00:38:02,280 and-and it's embedded in our society, 799 00:38:02,410 --> 00:38:05,021 and it's embedded in our criminal justice system, 800 00:38:05,152 --> 00:38:09,852 and hopefully this story is... 801 00:38:09,983 --> 00:38:12,942 making a little dent in that. 802 00:38:13,856 --> 00:38:15,815 [John] Mr. Little, sir, how do you now plead 803 00:38:15,945 --> 00:38:19,253 to count one, the aggravated murder charge, 804 00:38:19,384 --> 00:38:21,951 causing the death with purpose 805 00:38:22,082 --> 00:38:24,040 and prior calculation and design 806 00:38:24,127 --> 00:38:26,173 of Mary Jo Peyton, sir? 807 00:38:26,304 --> 00:38:29,481 How do you plead, guilty or not guilty? 808 00:38:29,611 --> 00:38:31,396 Guilty. 809 00:38:31,526 --> 00:38:32,658 [John] All right, sir, I accept your plea of guilty 810 00:38:32,788 --> 00:38:34,442 and find you guilty. 811 00:38:34,573 --> 00:38:36,662 Sir, how do you plead to count six, 812 00:38:36,792 --> 00:38:38,272 aggravated murder, 813 00:38:38,403 --> 00:38:39,882 where you purposely, 814 00:38:39,969 --> 00:38:42,320 with prior calculation and design, 815 00:38:42,450 --> 00:38:45,192 did cause the death of Rose Evans? 816 00:38:45,323 --> 00:38:47,020 Guilty or not guilty? 817 00:38:47,934 --> 00:38:49,544 Guilty. 818 00:38:49,675 --> 00:38:50,937 All right, sir, I'll accept your plea of guilty 819 00:38:51,024 --> 00:38:53,374 on count six and find you guilty. 820 00:38:53,505 --> 00:38:54,941 Um, Mr. Little would like me 821 00:38:55,071 --> 00:38:56,812 to read from the following statement. 822 00:38:56,943 --> 00:38:59,337 Mr. Little sincerely apologizes 823 00:38:59,467 --> 00:39:00,990 for the two Cleveland deaths 824 00:39:01,077 --> 00:39:03,515 of Mary Jo Peyton and Rose Evans. 825 00:39:08,389 --> 00:39:10,870 [Jillian] No, you're not. I don't believe you. 826 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,352 I think you know you're supposed to say 827 00:39:14,482 --> 00:39:16,223 that you're ashamed 828 00:39:16,354 --> 00:39:19,705 because that's, like, what most people 829 00:39:19,835 --> 00:39:21,620 would feel, 830 00:39:21,707 --> 00:39:24,362 but I don't think you actually feel that way. 831 00:39:24,492 --> 00:39:25,624 Am I right? 832 00:39:37,026 --> 00:39:38,288 [Jillian] Of course. 833 00:39:38,419 --> 00:39:40,769 Again, he sincerely apologizes 834 00:39:40,900 --> 00:39:42,510 for causing the deaths 835 00:39:42,641 --> 00:39:46,166 of Mary Jo Peyton and Rose Evans. 836 00:39:46,340 --> 00:39:49,430 ♪ 837 00:39:49,561 --> 00:39:52,085 All right, Mr. Little, the heinous crimes 838 00:39:52,172 --> 00:39:54,174 that you committed against these women 839 00:39:54,304 --> 00:39:56,263 all across the United States 840 00:39:56,394 --> 00:39:59,179 have left many people with, uh, 841 00:39:59,309 --> 00:40:01,442 what I would say, a hole in their lives 842 00:40:01,573 --> 00:40:04,445 because they didn't have an opportunity for closure. 843 00:40:04,576 --> 00:40:06,055 You know, 93 women 844 00:40:06,186 --> 00:40:07,448 and the-and the pain and suffering 845 00:40:07,579 --> 00:40:09,450 that you've caused the families 846 00:40:09,581 --> 00:40:11,409 is, uh, indescribable, 847 00:40:11,539 --> 00:40:14,586 unacceptable, and inhuman, 848 00:40:14,673 --> 00:40:16,762 uh, and at this time, we'll conclude today's hearing. 849 00:40:16,892 --> 00:40:18,285 We'll adjourn. 850 00:40:18,459 --> 00:40:21,506 ♪ 851 00:40:21,636 --> 00:40:23,769 I just wanted to thank you personally. 852 00:40:23,856 --> 00:40:26,032 I've been following this case for a year and a half, 853 00:40:26,119 --> 00:40:27,337 and this is the first time 854 00:40:27,468 --> 00:40:28,730 I got to watch the word "guilty" 855 00:40:28,861 --> 00:40:30,340 come out of his mouth. 856 00:40:30,471 --> 00:40:32,473 I--this was really important to me. 857 00:40:32,604 --> 00:40:34,388 -Thank you for saying that. -Thank you. 858 00:40:34,519 --> 00:40:35,998 Thanks for being here. 859 00:40:36,129 --> 00:40:37,870 Yes. Thank you. 860 00:40:37,957 --> 00:40:40,568 [brooding music] 861 00:40:40,699 --> 00:40:43,919 It made a difference to sit in that courtroom in Cleveland 862 00:40:44,050 --> 00:40:46,008 and watch him plead guilty. 863 00:40:46,139 --> 00:40:49,403 It was tremendously moving for me, 864 00:40:49,490 --> 00:40:51,710 because whether or not this man 865 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,104 is ever a risk on the street again, 866 00:40:55,235 --> 00:40:58,804 the public acknowledgment 867 00:40:58,934 --> 00:41:01,589 of what he did, 868 00:41:01,720 --> 00:41:05,680 of what these victims suffered, 869 00:41:05,811 --> 00:41:09,075 it honors the victims, 870 00:41:09,205 --> 00:41:12,774 and it's important for the families. 871 00:41:13,775 --> 00:41:17,692 Do you think the families of your victims 872 00:41:17,779 --> 00:41:19,433 who you murdered 873 00:41:19,564 --> 00:41:20,695 should forgive you? 874 00:41:39,366 --> 00:41:42,804 What I really hope to do with this work 875 00:41:42,935 --> 00:41:45,720 ultimately is to bring some visibility 876 00:41:45,851 --> 00:41:49,550 to the issue of violence against women. 877 00:41:49,681 --> 00:41:52,771 The story about Sam Little's victims 878 00:41:52,901 --> 00:41:54,729 is a story about violence against women 879 00:41:54,860 --> 00:41:57,558 on a massive scale. 880 00:41:57,645 --> 00:41:59,125 But this is also something 881 00:41:59,255 --> 00:42:01,693 that's an epidemic in our society. 882 00:42:04,130 --> 00:42:06,872 [melancholy music] 883 00:42:07,046 --> 00:42:09,788 ♪ 884 00:42:18,057 --> 00:42:20,320 All right, so what's next? 885 00:42:20,450 --> 00:42:22,235 We're not waiting around for a phone call. 886 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,414 I sent everything Justin and I found in Long Beach 887 00:42:27,501 --> 00:42:30,548 straight to Rick Jackson, 888 00:42:30,678 --> 00:42:31,766 and he was like, "Hang on a second. 889 00:42:31,897 --> 00:42:33,420 "Let me call the Long Beach PD 890 00:42:33,551 --> 00:42:36,597 "to find out, has this been solved? 891 00:42:36,728 --> 00:42:38,599 "Was that body ever identified? 892 00:42:38,730 --> 00:42:41,123 You know, was anyone ever arrested for it?" 893 00:42:41,254 --> 00:42:43,038 I haven't heard back from him yet. 894 00:42:44,910 --> 00:42:47,913 I'm gonna text Rick, and I sent him this article, 895 00:42:48,043 --> 00:42:50,263 and--but that was before we visited the site, 896 00:42:50,393 --> 00:42:54,659 and, um, so we just looked at these overhead maps... 897 00:42:55,790 --> 00:42:58,576 ...and we found a bike path. 898 00:42:58,706 --> 00:43:00,926 There's a bike path right above it. 899 00:43:01,013 --> 00:43:02,492 ♪ 900 00:43:02,623 --> 00:43:04,756 So I'm just gonna text Rick right now and see 901 00:43:04,886 --> 00:43:06,801 if he contacted his friends 902 00:43:06,888 --> 00:43:08,629 at Long Beach PD. 903 00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,763 Rick's got a lot of street cred, 904 00:43:11,893 --> 00:43:15,549 so, um, an introduction wouldn't hurt. 905 00:43:15,636 --> 00:43:17,333 ♪ 906 00:43:17,464 --> 00:43:21,033 Rick talked to Long Beach PD, 907 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:22,338 and he said he can hook me up with somebody there 908 00:43:22,469 --> 00:43:23,775 who works cold cases. 909 00:43:26,691 --> 00:43:28,780 -[Rick] Hello. -Hey, Rick. 910 00:43:28,910 --> 00:43:30,172 [Rick] How are you? 911 00:43:30,259 --> 00:43:32,000 I'm doing well today. How are you? 912 00:43:32,131 --> 00:43:33,785 [Rick] Well, I just talked to Long Beach. 913 00:43:33,915 --> 00:43:35,221 [Jillian] Oh, okay. 914 00:43:35,308 --> 00:43:36,570 [Rick] And they found the case. 915 00:43:36,701 --> 00:43:38,311 [gasps] Uh-huh? 916 00:43:38,441 --> 00:43:40,792 [Rick] And it happened on June 10th in '91. 917 00:43:40,922 --> 00:43:43,142 It's unsolved still. 918 00:43:43,272 --> 00:43:45,231 Oh, last name is Duvall. 919 00:43:45,361 --> 00:43:47,146 [Jillian] Uh-huh, do they say if it was-was 920 00:43:47,276 --> 00:43:49,365 a white or Black woman? 921 00:43:49,496 --> 00:43:50,628 [Rick] She's a Black woman, 922 00:43:50,758 --> 00:43:52,455 35, from LA, 923 00:43:52,586 --> 00:43:54,457 and her first name happens to be Alice. 924 00:43:54,588 --> 00:43:57,069 [gasps] Really? 925 00:43:57,199 --> 00:43:59,027 -[Rick] Congratulations. -Really? 926 00:43:59,114 --> 00:44:01,116 Oh, yeah, and we went there last night. 927 00:44:01,203 --> 00:44:03,336 I mean, obviously that's not a confirmation 928 00:44:03,466 --> 00:44:05,033 or anything, but we went there last night-- 929 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:06,469 [Rick] Pretty much-- it pretty much is. 930 00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,471 -[laughs] -[Rick] Pretty much is. 931 00:44:08,602 --> 00:44:10,386 So yeah, when he said that, I said, you know, 932 00:44:10,517 --> 00:44:11,866 "Her first name's Alice." 933 00:44:11,997 --> 00:44:13,955 He goes, like, "Alice Duvall? 934 00:44:14,086 --> 00:44:15,000 And I said, "You're shitting me." 935 00:44:15,130 --> 00:44:16,479 -He goes, "No." -[laughs] 936 00:44:16,566 --> 00:44:18,046 [Rick] Um, she was strangled. 937 00:44:18,177 --> 00:44:21,354 Um, uh, she was a prostitute. 938 00:44:21,484 --> 00:44:23,530 Um, they had--you know, they got that much. 939 00:44:23,661 --> 00:44:26,664 So it's right down the line. It-it's her. 940 00:44:26,794 --> 00:44:29,536 Okay, they're gonna assign somebody to it, 941 00:44:29,667 --> 00:44:31,059 and then they will reach out to you. 942 00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:32,757 You'll probably go down there. 943 00:44:32,887 --> 00:44:34,976 I told them you have drawings of Alice. 944 00:44:35,107 --> 00:44:37,152 [Jillian] Oh, Rick, thank you so much 945 00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,024 for making that call, and thank you. 946 00:44:39,111 --> 00:44:40,721 -[Rick] Yeah, no problem. -Thank you for everything. 947 00:44:40,808 --> 00:44:42,984 -[Rick] I'll just pass on-- -[line clicks] 948 00:44:43,071 --> 00:44:44,290 Oops, they're calling me right now. 949 00:44:44,420 --> 00:44:45,900 -I'll call you back. -Okay. 950 00:44:45,987 --> 00:44:46,988 -All right, thanks, Rick. -[Rick] Okay, bye. 951 00:44:48,294 --> 00:44:50,600 [laughs] 952 00:44:50,688 --> 00:44:53,691 [gentle music] 953 00:44:53,821 --> 00:44:56,302 Oh, my God. Oh, my God. 954 00:44:56,389 --> 00:44:59,131 [laughter and crying] 955 00:44:59,305 --> 00:45:02,221 ♪ 956 00:45:08,923 --> 00:45:13,145 [Amaia] I found her on ancestry.com, 957 00:45:13,275 --> 00:45:15,625 and then from there, I was-- mother's maiden name. 958 00:45:15,756 --> 00:45:17,366 [Jillian] Wait, go back. I wanna see that. 959 00:45:17,497 --> 00:45:20,326 [Amaia] I found her on three other people's 960 00:45:20,456 --> 00:45:21,719 family trees, 961 00:45:21,849 --> 00:45:23,416 and so these are the family tree, 962 00:45:23,503 --> 00:45:25,548 people who have saved her on their family tree. 963 00:45:26,898 --> 00:45:28,813 And there's her mother. 964 00:45:28,900 --> 00:45:31,206 [soft piano music] 965 00:45:31,337 --> 00:45:32,599 [Della] So cute. 966 00:45:32,730 --> 00:45:33,861 I know. She's so cute. 967 00:45:33,992 --> 00:45:35,167 [Jillian] She's adorable. 968 00:45:35,341 --> 00:45:37,430 ♪ 969 00:45:38,561 --> 00:45:41,956 Once the Long Beach PD 970 00:45:42,043 --> 00:45:45,177 confirms the case and closes it 971 00:45:45,307 --> 00:45:48,528 and notifies the family, then... 972 00:45:48,658 --> 00:45:51,096 we can potentially reach out, but yeah. 973 00:45:51,183 --> 00:45:54,142 ♪ 974 00:45:59,713 --> 00:46:02,237 I'm putting Alice's picture up on the board. 975 00:46:03,586 --> 00:46:07,068 It's Alice Denise Duvall. 976 00:46:07,242 --> 00:46:10,115 ♪ 977 00:46:16,686 --> 00:46:19,907 [gulls calling] 978 00:46:20,038 --> 00:46:22,823 [somber music] 979 00:46:22,997 --> 00:46:25,870 ♪ 980 00:46:33,834 --> 00:46:35,227 Are you Detective Hubbard? 981 00:46:35,357 --> 00:46:36,837 [Hubbard] Yes, I'm Detective Hubbard. 982 00:46:36,968 --> 00:46:38,230 -Hi. So nice to meet you. -Thanks for coming out. 983 00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:39,405 This is my partner, Detective Gamboa. 984 00:46:39,535 --> 00:46:40,798 -Hi. -Nice to meet you. 985 00:46:40,885 --> 00:46:42,016 So if you would, we will come upstairs, 986 00:46:42,103 --> 00:46:43,278 and we can do our interview. 987 00:46:43,409 --> 00:46:45,367 [Jillian] Okay, great. 988 00:46:45,498 --> 00:46:48,109 There has not been anything more gratifying 989 00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:50,024 for me in my life 990 00:46:50,155 --> 00:46:54,159 than contributing to solving these murders, 991 00:46:54,289 --> 00:46:56,814 and I'm not gonna stop. 992 00:46:56,901 --> 00:46:59,294 [suspenseful music] 993 00:46:59,381 --> 00:47:02,297 ♪ 994 00:47:05,083 --> 00:47:06,736 Hey, can I ask you guys a question? 995 00:47:06,867 --> 00:47:07,868 Yeah, okay. 996 00:47:07,955 --> 00:47:10,001 There are still 16 more 997 00:47:10,131 --> 00:47:12,742 unsolved homicides I'm looking into 998 00:47:12,830 --> 00:47:15,658 that took place here in Los Angeles. 999 00:47:15,789 --> 00:47:18,531 So I'm looking for any information 1000 00:47:18,661 --> 00:47:22,187 about a woman; she was killed right around this area. 1001 00:47:23,971 --> 00:47:26,669 I hope I can help law enforcement 1002 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,846 identify more of Sam's victims. 1003 00:47:30,325 --> 00:47:31,587 This is a woman who used to hang out 1004 00:47:31,718 --> 00:47:33,241 at the liquor store, 1005 00:47:33,372 --> 00:47:35,635 went missing about the mid-mid-'90s. 1006 00:47:35,722 --> 00:47:38,116 She was a prostitute. 1007 00:47:38,246 --> 00:47:40,248 We're trying to find out who she was 1008 00:47:40,379 --> 00:47:42,642 so that we can tell her family. 1009 00:47:42,816 --> 00:47:44,949 ♪ 1010 00:47:46,254 --> 00:47:49,692 [Mitzi] Prostitutes, drug users, 1011 00:47:49,823 --> 00:47:52,086 they were easy prey. 1012 00:47:52,217 --> 00:47:54,175 And I think Jillian puts it-puts it best. 1013 00:47:54,262 --> 00:47:56,438 She calls them the "less dead," 1014 00:47:56,569 --> 00:47:59,702 'cause they just didn't seem to mean as much to society. 1015 00:47:59,833 --> 00:48:02,183 And that was the brilliance of Sam Little. 1016 00:48:02,314 --> 00:48:04,751 He knew that he would pick these victims 1017 00:48:04,882 --> 00:48:09,843 and that nobody was going to fight for them. 1018 00:48:10,409 --> 00:48:12,324 It sickened me to think 1019 00:48:12,411 --> 00:48:15,153 how many times he could've been stopped 1020 00:48:15,283 --> 00:48:17,590 had the system done its job. 1021 00:48:18,852 --> 00:48:20,941 [Jillian] Does this woman look familiar to you at all? 1022 00:48:21,072 --> 00:48:22,377 Is this the only picture you have? 1023 00:48:22,464 --> 00:48:24,510 -Why don't you take this one? -Okay. 1024 00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,381 I'm gonna put my number on it. 1025 00:48:28,296 --> 00:48:30,472 [Tomeka] I don't think the justice system 1026 00:48:30,603 --> 00:48:32,997 treats all victims the same. 1027 00:48:33,127 --> 00:48:35,260 People low on the totem pole 1028 00:48:35,347 --> 00:48:37,784 that's prostitutes, drug addicts, 1029 00:48:37,871 --> 00:48:40,743 I don't think they get the proper, you know, 1030 00:48:40,874 --> 00:48:42,528 investigation, 1031 00:48:42,658 --> 00:48:46,532 the TLC it takes to, you know, solve a case. 1032 00:48:46,706 --> 00:48:49,839 ♪ 1033 00:48:49,927 --> 00:48:51,929 [Jillian] They are out here somewhere... 1034 00:48:54,105 --> 00:48:56,107 ...and I wanna know 1035 00:48:56,237 --> 00:48:58,936 that I left no stone unturned. 1036 00:48:59,110 --> 00:49:01,939 ♪ 1037 00:49:02,069 --> 00:49:02,983 [Beth] And you wanna be able to close 1038 00:49:03,070 --> 00:49:04,942 as many cases as you can 1039 00:49:05,072 --> 00:49:06,204 'cause you wanna be able 1040 00:49:06,334 --> 00:49:08,032 to bring answers to families 1041 00:49:08,119 --> 00:49:10,034 who have been waiting for decades. 1042 00:49:10,121 --> 00:49:11,949 It's not closure. 1043 00:49:12,079 --> 00:49:14,125 It's a sense of justice. 1044 00:49:14,255 --> 00:49:17,171 [pensive music] 1045 00:49:17,258 --> 00:49:20,131 ♪ 1046 00:49:24,135 --> 00:49:25,484 [Sam] There we are. 1047 00:49:26,964 --> 00:49:28,835 [Marsh] Mr. Little, you have signed 1048 00:49:28,966 --> 00:49:31,969 both of these guilty-finding pleas, haven't you? 1049 00:49:32,056 --> 00:49:33,448 [Sam] Yes. 1050 00:49:33,535 --> 00:49:35,320 They start, "I, Samuel Little, 1051 00:49:35,450 --> 00:49:38,236 "hereby freely and voluntarily 1052 00:49:38,323 --> 00:49:41,195 "withdraw my former plea of not guilty 1053 00:49:41,326 --> 00:49:43,676 and enter a plea of guilty." 1054 00:49:43,806 --> 00:49:47,332 Mr. Little, what is your plea to the charge of murder 1055 00:49:47,462 --> 00:49:50,378 of victim Anna Stewart 1056 00:49:50,509 --> 00:49:52,641 and a Jane Doe victim? 1057 00:49:52,772 --> 00:49:54,948 Guilty. 1058 00:49:55,122 --> 00:49:58,038 ♪ 1059 00:50:01,694 --> 00:50:04,175 [Jillian] I don't have to try 1060 00:50:04,305 --> 00:50:06,394 to make these victims important. 1061 00:50:06,525 --> 00:50:08,440 They are important, 1062 00:50:08,570 --> 00:50:10,224 and they're important to me. 1063 00:50:10,398 --> 00:50:12,705 ♪ 1064 00:50:12,835 --> 00:50:14,794 They don't have to have been good. 1065 00:50:14,924 --> 00:50:16,839 They don't have to have been right. 1066 00:50:16,970 --> 00:50:20,365 They don't have to have done anything. 1067 00:50:20,495 --> 00:50:21,931 They are important. 1068 00:50:22,106 --> 00:50:24,238 ♪ 1069 00:50:24,369 --> 00:50:27,502 Even when I turn in the book, 1070 00:50:27,633 --> 00:50:29,591 I feel like it's my responsibility 1071 00:50:29,722 --> 00:50:32,203 to pursue these unsolved cases 1072 00:50:32,333 --> 00:50:35,423 until I've exhausted every possibility 1073 00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:38,296 and that I can live with myself. 1074 00:50:39,253 --> 00:50:41,212 Are you okay? Are you feeling okay? 1075 00:50:43,649 --> 00:50:44,693 [Jillian] Okay. 1076 00:50:48,784 --> 00:50:51,483 No, you know what you have to do? 1077 00:50:51,570 --> 00:50:54,790 You-you do have something more to do, Mr. Sam. 1078 00:50:59,491 --> 00:51:01,232 [Jillian] Yeah, so... 1079 00:51:01,319 --> 00:51:03,538 you can stay alive for that, okay? 1080 00:51:08,152 --> 00:51:10,023 [Jillian] That's our deal, right? 1081 00:51:10,154 --> 00:51:11,546 [suspenseful music] 1082 00:51:11,677 --> 00:51:13,113 My deal with Sam 1083 00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,507 ends when Sam dies. 1084 00:51:15,637 --> 00:51:17,248 [Sam] Yeah, I love you. 1085 00:51:17,378 --> 00:51:18,771 [Jillian] So until then, 1086 00:51:18,901 --> 00:51:20,947 I'll stick around, 1087 00:51:21,078 --> 00:51:23,515 and I'll take his calls. 1088 00:51:23,602 --> 00:51:26,605 ♪ 1089 00:51:26,735 --> 00:51:28,563 This is not a story 1090 00:51:28,650 --> 00:51:31,436 that will ever end for me 1091 00:51:31,566 --> 00:51:33,742 till he's dead. 1092 00:51:33,873 --> 00:51:34,961 [sighs] 1093 00:51:48,017 --> 00:51:50,933 ♪