1 00:00:02,785 --> 00:00:05,570 ♪ 2 00:00:05,657 --> 00:00:07,964 [dogs barking] 3 00:00:26,330 --> 00:00:28,071 [Jillian] This is the first time 4 00:00:28,202 --> 00:00:31,248 I've been back here in a year. 5 00:00:31,379 --> 00:00:34,512 It's the first crime scene 6 00:00:34,643 --> 00:00:36,036 I went and visited. 7 00:00:38,342 --> 00:00:41,084 I didn't see it at night 8 00:00:41,171 --> 00:00:44,044 the first time. 9 00:00:44,131 --> 00:00:47,090 It's a lot spookier and more threatening 10 00:00:47,221 --> 00:00:49,832 and more confusing at night. 11 00:00:50,006 --> 00:00:52,878 ♪ 12 00:00:55,490 --> 00:00:57,405 I feel like these places have memories 13 00:00:57,535 --> 00:01:01,974 and have sounds and smells. 14 00:01:02,105 --> 00:01:04,064 It's really important for me 15 00:01:04,151 --> 00:01:07,806 to walk in the victim's shoes 16 00:01:07,893 --> 00:01:10,070 when I'm trying to tell a story. 17 00:01:14,857 --> 00:01:17,599 Carol Alford was an African American woman. 18 00:01:17,686 --> 00:01:19,949 She was 41 years old. 19 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:24,040 On the night of July 12, 1987, 20 00:01:24,171 --> 00:01:26,695 she met Sam Little, 21 00:01:26,825 --> 00:01:29,959 and they spent a few hours together, 22 00:01:30,090 --> 00:01:34,006 and by the morning, she was dead. 23 00:01:34,137 --> 00:01:36,661 She had been strangled, dragged, 24 00:01:36,792 --> 00:01:37,880 beaten. 25 00:01:39,795 --> 00:01:41,666 He killed her here, 26 00:01:41,797 --> 00:01:44,321 and she was left in this alley 27 00:01:44,452 --> 00:01:47,411 with the trash. 28 00:01:47,542 --> 00:01:51,198 And I know because... 29 00:01:51,328 --> 00:01:52,895 he told me that. 30 00:01:53,025 --> 00:01:53,983 [dramatic musical sting] 31 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,221 [imitates biting] 32 00:02:23,055 --> 00:02:26,407 [tense music] 33 00:02:26,537 --> 00:02:28,670 [news reporter] The FBI calls Samuel Little 34 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:30,933 America's most prolific serial killer. 35 00:02:31,063 --> 00:02:34,154 [Sam] Now, if you want me to tell my secrets to you, 36 00:02:34,241 --> 00:02:37,940 come down here and look me in my eye while I do. 37 00:02:38,070 --> 00:02:41,030 [Jillian] My deal with the devil is, 38 00:02:41,117 --> 00:02:45,208 "You will not die alone if you tell me the truth." 39 00:02:45,339 --> 00:02:46,470 [Sam] I'm not going to admit to those girls. 40 00:02:46,601 --> 00:02:47,950 [Jillian] I don't believe you, 41 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,518 so you tell me the truth right now. 42 00:02:50,648 --> 00:02:52,650 [news reporter] Little strangled 93 victims 43 00:02:52,737 --> 00:02:55,914 between 1970 and 2005. 44 00:02:56,045 --> 00:02:57,655 [Jillian] He was tried and got off 45 00:02:57,786 --> 00:02:59,657 again and again and again. 46 00:02:59,788 --> 00:03:01,572 [news reporter] Investigators believe that Samuel Little 47 00:03:01,703 --> 00:03:04,532 killed more people than serial killers Ted Bundy, 48 00:03:04,662 --> 00:03:08,318 John Wayne Gacy, and Jeffery Dahmer combined. 49 00:03:08,449 --> 00:03:09,580 [Jillian] If you weren't locked up, 50 00:03:09,667 --> 00:03:12,192 I'd probably be dead by now. 51 00:03:12,322 --> 00:03:14,803 [Sam] You're right. 52 00:03:14,933 --> 00:03:17,675 [eerie music] 53 00:03:35,650 --> 00:03:38,435 ♪ 54 00:03:38,566 --> 00:03:40,916 [Jillian] I am Jillian Lauren. 55 00:03:41,003 --> 00:03:44,485 I'm an author and a true-crime journalist. 56 00:03:47,923 --> 00:03:52,275 I am writing a book about a serial killer... 57 00:03:52,406 --> 00:03:54,277 Samuel Little. 58 00:03:54,408 --> 00:03:57,411 Samuel Little was convicted of three murders 59 00:03:57,541 --> 00:04:02,024 in Los Angeles in 2014, 60 00:04:02,154 --> 00:04:05,854 murders he vehemently denied. 61 00:04:13,862 --> 00:04:16,256 [Jillian] But I suspect 62 00:04:16,386 --> 00:04:19,955 that he killed so many more women across the country. 63 00:04:26,004 --> 00:04:29,138 I think that I can safely say 64 00:04:29,269 --> 00:04:32,794 I have written every day of my life since I was eight. 65 00:04:32,924 --> 00:04:36,798 What storytelling does for me is that it gives me a framework 66 00:04:36,928 --> 00:04:39,191 to make sense of the world. 67 00:04:39,322 --> 00:04:42,978 It instilled a curiosity in me 68 00:04:43,108 --> 00:04:47,243 and a desire to... 69 00:04:47,374 --> 00:04:50,507 look into the more shadowy corners 70 00:04:50,594 --> 00:04:52,292 of humanity. 71 00:04:55,338 --> 00:04:59,864 In 2017, I was researching a mystery novel 72 00:04:59,995 --> 00:05:02,084 when I scored an interview 73 00:05:02,214 --> 00:05:05,217 with a veteran homicide detective. 74 00:05:05,348 --> 00:05:07,916 -[sirens wailing] -[radio chatter] 75 00:05:08,046 --> 00:05:09,831 [Mitzi] My name is Mitzi Roberts. 76 00:05:09,961 --> 00:05:12,834 I'm a detective with the Los Angeles Police Department, 77 00:05:12,964 --> 00:05:15,097 Robbery-Homicide Division. 78 00:05:15,227 --> 00:05:18,535 And I've been on the job, it's coming up on 25 years now. 79 00:05:18,622 --> 00:05:20,145 [woman on police radio] 15-80, 61... 80 00:05:20,276 --> 00:05:22,322 [Mitzi] I love working homicides. 81 00:05:22,452 --> 00:05:24,889 It's that ultimate puzzle. 82 00:05:25,020 --> 00:05:28,937 You have to be very tenacious. 83 00:05:29,024 --> 00:05:31,374 [Jillian] During my interview with Mitzi, 84 00:05:31,505 --> 00:05:35,160 I asked, "What cases are you the most proud of?" 85 00:05:35,247 --> 00:05:37,946 And she said, "Well, I'm proud of them all, 86 00:05:38,076 --> 00:05:42,733 but I did catch this serial killer once." 87 00:05:42,864 --> 00:05:47,347 Mitzi told me that there had been this serial killer 88 00:05:47,477 --> 00:05:51,916 who was active in Los Angeles in the '80s 89 00:05:52,047 --> 00:05:54,702 and that she had been 90 00:05:54,832 --> 00:05:57,835 the lead investigator on the case. 91 00:05:57,966 --> 00:06:01,535 He had been convicted of three murders, 92 00:06:01,665 --> 00:06:03,885 but she suspected there were many, many more murders 93 00:06:04,015 --> 00:06:05,060 across the country. 94 00:06:10,761 --> 00:06:14,156 And she started to tell me the story. 95 00:06:18,203 --> 00:06:20,641 [Mitzi] In the early 2000s, 96 00:06:20,771 --> 00:06:24,253 when I was working in the Cold Case Unit, 97 00:06:24,384 --> 00:06:27,604 DNA was a newer technology, 98 00:06:27,735 --> 00:06:30,651 but it was having such uh, major successes 99 00:06:30,781 --> 00:06:33,828 in solving violent crimes. 100 00:06:33,915 --> 00:06:36,918 [Rick] Mitzi and I were assigned to work together. 101 00:06:37,048 --> 00:06:41,226 We knew we had probably 10,000 102 00:06:41,357 --> 00:06:45,056 unsolved murders going back to 1960. 103 00:06:45,187 --> 00:06:46,928 It's mind-boggling. 104 00:06:47,058 --> 00:06:49,496 [tense music] 105 00:06:49,626 --> 00:06:52,412 [Mitzi] In the '80s, the crack-cocaine epidemic 106 00:06:52,542 --> 00:06:55,632 was out of control. 107 00:06:55,719 --> 00:06:57,982 There was a lot of prostitution, 108 00:06:58,113 --> 00:07:01,333 and a large portion of it was focused 109 00:07:01,464 --> 00:07:04,772 in the South Central portion of Los Angeles. 110 00:07:04,902 --> 00:07:07,383 Prostitutes oftentimes, 111 00:07:07,514 --> 00:07:10,430 drug users... 112 00:07:10,517 --> 00:07:13,215 the wayward souls... 113 00:07:13,345 --> 00:07:15,304 quite often, they were victimized, 114 00:07:15,391 --> 00:07:18,089 whether they were just raped and beat 115 00:07:18,220 --> 00:07:20,614 or murdered. 116 00:07:20,744 --> 00:07:24,008 Now we know there were multiple serial killers 117 00:07:24,095 --> 00:07:27,969 in the area at the time, 118 00:07:28,056 --> 00:07:29,231 and that was their hunting ground. 119 00:08:03,178 --> 00:08:05,789 [suspenseful music] 120 00:08:05,963 --> 00:08:08,836 ♪ 121 00:08:12,317 --> 00:08:13,710 [Mitzi] Audrey Nelson was found 122 00:08:13,841 --> 00:08:17,279 on August 14, 1989... 123 00:08:19,673 --> 00:08:23,067 ...in a trash dumpster behind a Chinese-food restaurant 124 00:08:23,154 --> 00:08:27,028 in the central downtown area of Los Angeles. 125 00:08:27,158 --> 00:08:29,770 Audrey had an extensive arrest record 126 00:08:29,900 --> 00:08:33,295 for drug and prostitution related crimes. 127 00:08:33,425 --> 00:08:37,604 She was also a mother of a young child. 128 00:08:37,734 --> 00:08:41,172 And the cause of death was manual strangulation. 129 00:08:41,303 --> 00:08:42,826 [dramatic musical sting] 130 00:08:42,957 --> 00:08:44,436 Approximately three weeks later, 131 00:08:44,567 --> 00:08:46,787 the body of Guadalupe Apodaca was found 132 00:08:46,874 --> 00:08:51,052 on September 3, 1989. 133 00:08:51,182 --> 00:08:56,013 She was found in an abandoned auto-body shop. 134 00:08:56,100 --> 00:08:58,450 Her body was shoved into a corner 135 00:08:58,581 --> 00:09:02,716 on an old discarded mattress. 136 00:09:02,803 --> 00:09:05,762 Guadalupe Apodaca was Hispanic. 137 00:09:05,893 --> 00:09:09,026 She had prior offenses 138 00:09:09,157 --> 00:09:12,639 for drug related crimes and prostitution. 139 00:09:12,769 --> 00:09:14,945 She had two sons at the time. 140 00:09:15,119 --> 00:09:18,253 ♪ 141 00:09:18,383 --> 00:09:22,474 On July 13, 1987, 142 00:09:22,562 --> 00:09:26,957 the body of Carol Alford, a Black female mother, 143 00:09:27,088 --> 00:09:29,743 was found discarded 144 00:09:29,873 --> 00:09:32,006 in an alleyway. 145 00:09:32,093 --> 00:09:34,574 Not a prostitute, 146 00:09:34,704 --> 00:09:36,793 but known to occasionally drink and-- 147 00:09:36,924 --> 00:09:39,927 and possibly had some issues with narcotics. 148 00:09:40,014 --> 00:09:42,799 [tense music] 149 00:09:42,973 --> 00:09:45,149 ♪ 150 00:09:45,236 --> 00:09:48,196 [Jillian] All of these women were beaten 151 00:09:48,326 --> 00:09:51,852 and manually strangled to death. 152 00:09:51,939 --> 00:09:56,900 And all of these murder locations 153 00:09:57,031 --> 00:09:59,120 were in a few miles of each other. 154 00:09:59,207 --> 00:10:01,557 ♪ 155 00:10:01,688 --> 00:10:05,953 As many times as you see the MO, 156 00:10:06,083 --> 00:10:09,304 it's still shocking to look at a woman's body 157 00:10:09,434 --> 00:10:11,828 discarded with trash 158 00:10:11,959 --> 00:10:14,396 and dumped by the side of the road. 159 00:10:17,225 --> 00:10:19,357 These three women, 160 00:10:19,488 --> 00:10:23,187 their homicides went unsolved for decades. 161 00:10:26,234 --> 00:10:29,454 [Mitzi] And then in 2012, 162 00:10:29,585 --> 00:10:32,153 I got a hit, a DNA hit, 163 00:10:32,283 --> 00:10:35,373 on the case of Audrey Nelson 164 00:10:35,504 --> 00:10:38,333 and Guadalupe Apodaca 165 00:10:38,463 --> 00:10:41,815 and then Carol Alford. 166 00:10:41,945 --> 00:10:44,339 They have a link basically to the same suspect. 167 00:10:46,297 --> 00:10:48,822 [Rick] Forensic analysis confirms 168 00:10:48,952 --> 00:10:51,651 that these three different cases matched 169 00:10:51,781 --> 00:10:53,609 with the same person's DNA. 170 00:10:53,740 --> 00:10:56,917 [dramatic musical sting] 171 00:10:57,047 --> 00:11:00,050 [Mitzi] And that person was Samuel Little, 172 00:11:00,137 --> 00:11:03,184 AKA Samuel McDowell. 173 00:11:03,314 --> 00:11:06,970 At the time, he was 71 years old. 174 00:11:07,101 --> 00:11:09,843 So, once I get that name, I'm off to the races. 175 00:11:09,973 --> 00:11:12,497 [tense music] 176 00:11:12,628 --> 00:11:16,153 [Beth] In 2012, Detective Roberts came to me 177 00:11:16,284 --> 00:11:18,678 because of the experience that I had handling, 178 00:11:18,808 --> 00:11:21,376 uh, you know, half a dozen or so serial killers. 179 00:11:21,506 --> 00:11:23,726 I am Beth Silverman. 180 00:11:23,857 --> 00:11:25,380 I'm a deputy district attorney 181 00:11:25,510 --> 00:11:27,382 with the LA County District Attorney's Office, 182 00:11:27,469 --> 00:11:30,690 assigned to the Major Crimes Division. 183 00:11:30,820 --> 00:11:32,648 One of the first things we did, obviously, 184 00:11:32,779 --> 00:11:35,042 was look at Sam Little's rap sheet. 185 00:11:35,129 --> 00:11:38,262 It's shocking... 186 00:11:38,393 --> 00:11:42,266 not only the level of violence 187 00:11:42,397 --> 00:11:45,356 against women... 188 00:11:45,487 --> 00:11:47,750 but how long of a rap sheet it was. 189 00:11:50,753 --> 00:11:54,583 It went back all the way until when he was a teenager. 190 00:11:55,889 --> 00:11:59,022 [Rick] What was amazing was that he had been arrested, 191 00:11:59,153 --> 00:12:03,244 I think it was in 24 different states. 192 00:12:03,374 --> 00:12:06,464 [Mitzi] Just arrest after arrest after arrest, 193 00:12:06,595 --> 00:12:10,033 many for assault, sexual assaults, 194 00:12:10,164 --> 00:12:12,427 murder. 195 00:12:12,557 --> 00:12:16,736 But he wasn't spending a lot of time in jail. 196 00:12:16,866 --> 00:12:17,737 [Mitzi] Holy crap. 197 00:12:17,867 --> 00:12:19,477 So that's disturbing 198 00:12:19,608 --> 00:12:22,045 because the potential that he's still doing 199 00:12:22,132 --> 00:12:25,222 violent crimes against women is likely. 200 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,531 [Jillian] Mitzi began to suspect 201 00:12:29,618 --> 00:12:32,882 that he might commit more murders, 202 00:12:32,969 --> 00:12:35,755 sexually motivated serial murders 203 00:12:35,842 --> 00:12:38,670 across the country. 204 00:12:38,801 --> 00:12:41,325 She knew she had to get this guy into custody, 205 00:12:41,456 --> 00:12:43,284 so she began to track him. 206 00:12:43,371 --> 00:12:46,200 [suspenseful music] 207 00:12:46,287 --> 00:12:48,071 [Mitzi] Basically I was following him 208 00:12:48,202 --> 00:12:51,771 wherever he left a digital or written trace 209 00:12:51,901 --> 00:12:53,207 of being somewhere. 210 00:12:53,381 --> 00:12:55,862 ♪ 211 00:12:55,992 --> 00:12:58,603 I'm actively tracking him, trying to find him, 212 00:12:58,734 --> 00:13:00,518 but he was on the move, 213 00:13:00,649 --> 00:13:02,956 and I was always one step behind him, 214 00:13:03,086 --> 00:13:04,958 three days behind him. 215 00:13:05,088 --> 00:13:08,265 Until somebody identifies him or his license plate, 216 00:13:08,396 --> 00:13:11,834 I'm stuck kind of only knowing the last place he went. 217 00:13:11,921 --> 00:13:15,185 ♪ 218 00:13:15,272 --> 00:13:16,883 [Beth] And then Mitzi learned 219 00:13:17,013 --> 00:13:20,451 that Sam Little was receiving 220 00:13:20,582 --> 00:13:23,063 some type of disability benefits out of state, 221 00:13:23,193 --> 00:13:25,282 and so she was able to track those benefits 222 00:13:25,413 --> 00:13:28,895 to Louisville, Kentucky. 223 00:13:29,025 --> 00:13:31,985 [Mitzi] And I'm like, "Bam, I-I got you." 224 00:13:32,115 --> 00:13:36,163 So I immediately call the U.S. Marshals. 225 00:13:36,293 --> 00:13:39,166 I want to say within no more than three hours, 226 00:13:39,296 --> 00:13:41,690 I get a call, and he's in custody. 227 00:13:41,821 --> 00:13:44,606 I said, "Bingo, they got him." 228 00:13:44,736 --> 00:13:46,738 [dramatic musical sting] 229 00:13:46,869 --> 00:13:49,654 [Beth] On September 2, 2014, 230 00:13:49,785 --> 00:13:51,831 Little was found guilty of all three counts 231 00:13:51,961 --> 00:13:54,268 of first-degree murder. 232 00:13:54,355 --> 00:13:56,748 [news reporter] A serial killer has learned his fate. 233 00:13:56,879 --> 00:13:59,403 74-year-old Samuel Little was sentenced today 234 00:13:59,490 --> 00:14:01,928 for killing three women in South Los Angeles 235 00:14:02,015 --> 00:14:04,278 -in the 1980s. -[gavel bangs] 236 00:14:04,408 --> 00:14:07,411 Crimes involved great violence, cruelty, and viciousness. 237 00:14:07,542 --> 00:14:10,066 [news reporter] Shackled to the sides of his wheelchair, 238 00:14:10,197 --> 00:14:13,287 Samuel Little was not interested in apologizing. 239 00:14:13,417 --> 00:14:16,943 This conviction was brought on by lies 240 00:14:17,073 --> 00:14:19,989 and liars coached by liars. 241 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,557 [Jillian] Throughout the entire trial, 242 00:14:22,687 --> 00:14:26,778 Sam Little vehemently denied committing these murders 243 00:14:26,909 --> 00:14:29,477 again and again and again. 244 00:14:29,607 --> 00:14:31,348 [news reporter] Today the 74-year-old was sentenced 245 00:14:31,435 --> 00:14:33,655 to three consecutive life terms 246 00:14:33,785 --> 00:14:35,787 without the possibility of parole. 247 00:14:35,918 --> 00:14:36,963 [Jillian] He's off the streets. 248 00:14:37,093 --> 00:14:41,010 They managed to put him away. 249 00:14:41,141 --> 00:14:42,925 [Mitzi] But it always nagged at me 250 00:14:43,056 --> 00:14:45,885 because I knew-- I knew he was a serial killer. 251 00:14:46,015 --> 00:14:48,191 I knew he was good for more. 252 00:14:48,322 --> 00:14:51,281 I knew there was unsolveds out there. 253 00:14:51,412 --> 00:14:55,807 And I can't get anybody interested in it, in the story. 254 00:14:55,938 --> 00:15:00,073 [Jillian] Mitzi felt that these had been underreported cases, 255 00:15:00,203 --> 00:15:03,685 in large part because Samuel Little's victims 256 00:15:03,815 --> 00:15:05,426 were in marginalized populations... 257 00:15:07,950 --> 00:15:10,735 women of color, drug addicts, prostitutes, 258 00:15:10,866 --> 00:15:13,825 women who were considered... 259 00:15:13,956 --> 00:15:14,783 unimportant. 260 00:15:16,045 --> 00:15:18,569 [eerie music] 261 00:15:18,700 --> 00:15:22,138 "This phenomenon has been referred to as being 262 00:15:22,269 --> 00:15:25,837 "'less dead.' 263 00:15:25,968 --> 00:15:29,189 "Marginalized homicide victims historically 264 00:15:29,319 --> 00:15:31,452 "are not as thoroughly investigated 265 00:15:31,582 --> 00:15:33,933 "as their wealthier, whiter, 266 00:15:34,020 --> 00:15:37,675 "and perhaps more sober counterparts. 267 00:15:37,762 --> 00:15:40,722 "Pretty, white college students are the 'most dead.' 268 00:15:40,852 --> 00:15:43,899 Black hookers are the 'least dead.'" 269 00:15:44,073 --> 00:15:46,554 ♪ 270 00:15:46,684 --> 00:15:50,732 The idea that there were so many women out there, 271 00:15:50,862 --> 00:15:54,736 potentially so many victims 272 00:15:54,823 --> 00:15:58,609 who had been brutalized and forgotten 273 00:15:58,740 --> 00:16:02,439 is not acceptable to me. 274 00:16:04,789 --> 00:16:07,270 And when I learned he was a strangler, 275 00:16:07,357 --> 00:16:10,099 that was what planted the seed in me 276 00:16:10,230 --> 00:16:13,146 to start pursuing this story, 277 00:16:13,276 --> 00:16:17,150 because I was a victim, too, 278 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:21,023 somebody uh, who was lucky enough 279 00:16:21,154 --> 00:16:24,766 to have survived. 280 00:16:24,896 --> 00:16:26,507 [solemn music] 281 00:16:26,637 --> 00:16:28,726 When I was 20 years old, 282 00:16:28,813 --> 00:16:31,164 I went to Mills College, 283 00:16:31,294 --> 00:16:34,994 which is a women's college in Oakland, California. 284 00:16:35,124 --> 00:16:38,649 I eventually was introduced 285 00:16:38,780 --> 00:16:39,955 to heroin. 286 00:16:42,088 --> 00:16:44,481 The first time I tried heroin, I... 287 00:16:44,612 --> 00:16:46,483 [sighs] 288 00:16:46,614 --> 00:16:50,748 ..was just like, "Oh. 289 00:16:50,879 --> 00:16:54,317 This is the way I've been waiting to feel." 290 00:16:54,448 --> 00:16:57,668 Really, it was just like breathing. 291 00:16:57,799 --> 00:17:01,281 It was like I finally took a full breath. 292 00:17:01,411 --> 00:17:03,848 And that was it. 293 00:17:03,979 --> 00:17:07,896 I decided I liked heroin better than I liked college. 294 00:17:07,983 --> 00:17:10,899 ♪ 295 00:17:10,986 --> 00:17:14,207 I was in a pretty dark place at that time. 296 00:17:14,337 --> 00:17:17,036 I was really lost. 297 00:17:17,166 --> 00:17:19,516 I wound up meeting this guy 298 00:17:19,647 --> 00:17:21,953 who became my boyfriend, 299 00:17:22,084 --> 00:17:26,784 and he was really explosive, 300 00:17:26,915 --> 00:17:29,831 and he was really bright and so exciting, 301 00:17:29,961 --> 00:17:33,443 and, um, uh, you know, 302 00:17:33,574 --> 00:17:35,271 and-and was also a heroin addict. 303 00:17:38,535 --> 00:17:41,973 And we were living together at the time. 304 00:17:42,104 --> 00:17:45,455 It was a-a while before he... 305 00:17:45,542 --> 00:17:48,545 became violent. 306 00:17:48,676 --> 00:17:50,417 And then he started shoving me up against a wall. 307 00:17:50,547 --> 00:17:53,202 Then he started, um, 308 00:17:53,289 --> 00:17:56,553 barricading me in the house for days. 309 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,730 He was emotionally abusive as well, 310 00:17:59,861 --> 00:18:03,169 and my friends started to get really concerned. 311 00:18:03,299 --> 00:18:05,736 And they said, you know, like, 312 00:18:05,823 --> 00:18:08,217 "We're worried. You have to get out. 313 00:18:08,348 --> 00:18:12,265 We're worried for your safety. He is very dangerous." 314 00:18:12,395 --> 00:18:14,745 So I got a storage space, 315 00:18:14,876 --> 00:18:19,359 and I made a plan to move to Los Angeles. 316 00:18:19,489 --> 00:18:21,100 [sobs] Oh, shit. 317 00:18:23,319 --> 00:18:26,061 Just give me a second, okay? 318 00:18:26,192 --> 00:18:28,194 [uneasy music] 319 00:18:28,281 --> 00:18:30,935 And I didn't tell him, 320 00:18:31,066 --> 00:18:34,765 and I was packing my stuff one day 321 00:18:34,896 --> 00:18:37,072 when he came home. 322 00:18:37,203 --> 00:18:39,030 I remember I was in the kitchen. 323 00:18:39,161 --> 00:18:42,469 I was placing each one of my glasses in a box. 324 00:18:42,599 --> 00:18:44,514 And he was, like, two feet from me, 325 00:18:44,601 --> 00:18:46,908 and he was just crying and crying. 326 00:18:47,082 --> 00:18:49,998 ♪ 327 00:18:51,782 --> 00:18:55,830 I kept packing the glasses, and, um... 328 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,224 like, the next thing I knew, I was on the floor, 329 00:18:58,311 --> 00:19:01,096 and he was on top of me, 330 00:19:01,227 --> 00:19:04,708 and his hands were around my neck. 331 00:19:04,839 --> 00:19:07,581 And I was coming to... 332 00:19:07,711 --> 00:19:10,279 [suspenseful music] 333 00:19:10,453 --> 00:19:11,976 ♪ 334 00:19:12,107 --> 00:19:15,806 ..and, uh, and it was like... 335 00:19:15,893 --> 00:19:18,200 I thought that I... I might be dead. 336 00:19:18,374 --> 00:19:21,334 ♪ 337 00:19:21,464 --> 00:19:24,554 I looked up at him, and he had his hands like this. 338 00:19:26,469 --> 00:19:28,297 He just looked so exhilarated, 339 00:19:28,384 --> 00:19:30,560 and I couldn't tell if he was exhilarated 340 00:19:30,691 --> 00:19:32,606 because he had finally tried to kill me 341 00:19:32,693 --> 00:19:34,738 or because he had stopped himself. 342 00:19:37,176 --> 00:19:39,787 I felt very confused. 343 00:19:39,917 --> 00:19:43,573 And then there was this undercurrent 344 00:19:43,704 --> 00:19:46,359 of pain and shame. 345 00:19:48,796 --> 00:19:52,278 After that, he stood up, 346 00:19:52,365 --> 00:19:55,890 and he reached his hand out to me 347 00:19:56,020 --> 00:19:58,022 to lift me off the floor. 348 00:19:58,153 --> 00:20:00,155 And he pulled me up, 349 00:20:00,242 --> 00:20:03,158 and, uh... 350 00:20:03,289 --> 00:20:05,813 it's still the moment I most regret. 351 00:20:07,945 --> 00:20:12,167 I just wish I hadn't let him pull me up. 352 00:20:12,298 --> 00:20:15,562 I just wish I had gotten back onto my feet by myself, but... 353 00:20:20,871 --> 00:20:22,395 I did eventually. 354 00:20:24,048 --> 00:20:26,964 [melancholy music] 355 00:20:27,095 --> 00:20:30,533 When you've had a painful past, 356 00:20:30,664 --> 00:20:32,970 it can create a sense of empathy. 357 00:20:34,842 --> 00:20:37,975 That's why I care about these victims. 358 00:20:38,062 --> 00:20:40,543 I want to understand 359 00:20:40,674 --> 00:20:44,721 violence against women in this culture. 360 00:20:44,852 --> 00:20:47,376 And this is the part I can play in this 361 00:20:47,507 --> 00:20:51,859 to bring some sort of voice, story, 362 00:20:51,946 --> 00:20:55,297 justice, humanity to these victims 363 00:20:55,428 --> 00:20:59,388 who are dehumanized 364 00:20:59,519 --> 00:21:01,564 by being ignored. 365 00:21:03,958 --> 00:21:07,614 An essential part of the story 366 00:21:07,744 --> 00:21:11,182 is obviously Samuel Little. 367 00:21:11,313 --> 00:21:13,272 So I started reaching out to him. 368 00:21:13,402 --> 00:21:15,404 I-I-I wrote him a letter. 369 00:21:15,535 --> 00:21:19,408 I told him I was interested in his story. 370 00:21:19,539 --> 00:21:22,542 I was scared of him in the beginning. 371 00:21:22,672 --> 00:21:25,066 I remember the first letter I opened of his, 372 00:21:25,153 --> 00:21:27,590 I wore gloves. [laughs] 373 00:21:27,721 --> 00:21:29,070 You know, like, I wore rubber gloves. 374 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,987 I was so grossed out. 375 00:21:33,074 --> 00:21:37,296 And we exchanged letters. 376 00:21:37,426 --> 00:21:40,647 Then I applied to visit him in prison, 377 00:21:40,777 --> 00:21:43,127 and I got approved. 378 00:21:43,258 --> 00:21:44,868 [Scott] I'll tell you one thing about Jillian, 379 00:21:44,955 --> 00:21:46,827 when she gets an idea in her head 380 00:21:46,957 --> 00:21:49,308 that she wants to do something, it is gonna happen. 381 00:21:49,438 --> 00:21:53,224 I am Scott G. Shriner, 382 00:21:53,355 --> 00:21:57,141 husband of Jillian Lauren, 383 00:21:57,272 --> 00:22:01,929 father of Tariku and Jovanni Shriner. 384 00:22:02,059 --> 00:22:04,235 [Jillian] My husband is the bassist 385 00:22:04,323 --> 00:22:07,021 of the band Weezer. 386 00:22:07,108 --> 00:22:10,329 And he is a shredder. And he's awesome. 387 00:22:12,026 --> 00:22:13,332 Wait, what about this one? 388 00:22:15,116 --> 00:22:15,943 What do you think about this one? 389 00:22:16,073 --> 00:22:18,337 Who's that? 390 00:22:18,467 --> 00:22:21,905 -[Jillian] Well, that's Mommy. -[Tariku] Wait, that's you? 391 00:22:22,036 --> 00:22:24,343 That doesn't look like you at all. 392 00:22:26,170 --> 00:22:29,957 I told my husband, "I'm gonna pursue this. 393 00:22:30,087 --> 00:22:32,960 It's about these victims. It's about these women." 394 00:22:33,090 --> 00:22:35,963 And I believe 395 00:22:36,050 --> 00:22:38,487 there are many more victims out there 396 00:22:38,618 --> 00:22:41,708 whose cases are unsolved. 397 00:22:41,838 --> 00:22:43,144 What do you-- what do you think of 398 00:22:43,274 --> 00:22:45,407 when you look at this picture? 399 00:22:45,538 --> 00:22:48,715 Dad looks pretty handsome in that picture. 400 00:22:48,845 --> 00:22:50,978 [Scott] I was reluctant. 401 00:22:51,065 --> 00:22:52,545 I was like, "I don't know about, you know, 402 00:22:52,675 --> 00:22:55,286 "getting friendly with the guy. 403 00:22:55,417 --> 00:22:58,028 "I mean, he's a vicious killer." 404 00:22:58,159 --> 00:23:00,379 You know, "Are you gonna be safe? 405 00:23:00,466 --> 00:23:04,078 What's this--what is this gonna do to you emotionally?" 406 00:23:04,208 --> 00:23:06,385 I got to kind of watch out for my well-being 407 00:23:06,472 --> 00:23:07,429 and our kids, too. 408 00:23:09,562 --> 00:23:12,347 And, uh, we talked about it. 409 00:23:12,478 --> 00:23:14,044 It-it did seem important, 410 00:23:14,175 --> 00:23:16,830 and it seemed like it meant a lot to her. 411 00:23:16,917 --> 00:23:19,572 These victims' stories need to be told, 412 00:23:19,659 --> 00:23:24,098 and the importance of it outweighed my reluctance. 413 00:23:24,228 --> 00:23:27,841 [Jillian] My husband was like, "I support you." 414 00:23:27,971 --> 00:23:31,192 And I said, "I'm going in there." 415 00:23:31,322 --> 00:23:34,325 [tense music] 416 00:23:34,413 --> 00:23:36,066 "I'm going in there, 417 00:23:36,153 --> 00:23:37,894 and I'm gonna talk to Sam Little." 418 00:23:38,025 --> 00:23:40,810 [dramatic music] 419 00:23:40,984 --> 00:23:43,813 ♪ 420 00:23:46,947 --> 00:23:50,298 When I drove up to the guard station, 421 00:23:50,429 --> 00:23:52,169 I had a panic attack. 422 00:23:52,300 --> 00:23:54,302 It's pretty nerve-racking. 423 00:23:54,389 --> 00:23:59,176 He is a vicious killer. 424 00:23:59,307 --> 00:24:01,048 But I just thought, 425 00:24:01,178 --> 00:24:04,051 "I'm just gonna not be afraid." 426 00:24:04,181 --> 00:24:06,009 That's what he feeds off of, 427 00:24:06,096 --> 00:24:08,577 is women's fear. 428 00:24:08,751 --> 00:24:11,798 ♪ 429 00:24:11,928 --> 00:24:15,715 When I walked inside... 430 00:24:15,802 --> 00:24:18,239 It's one of the largest prisons in the country. 431 00:24:20,937 --> 00:24:23,026 It was truly terrifying 432 00:24:23,157 --> 00:24:26,465 to walk into that giant cage. 433 00:24:26,552 --> 00:24:28,336 [indistinct chatter] 434 00:24:28,467 --> 00:24:32,122 [door creaks, thuds] 435 00:24:32,253 --> 00:24:34,168 And it is very hot. 436 00:24:34,298 --> 00:24:38,215 It really-it really is hell. 437 00:24:38,302 --> 00:24:42,045 My knees were actually, like, knocking together. 438 00:24:42,176 --> 00:24:44,874 When I finally entered 439 00:24:45,005 --> 00:24:48,312 B Block visiting room, 440 00:24:48,443 --> 00:24:51,751 I-I made it, and I got in, and I sat there, 441 00:24:51,881 --> 00:24:55,058 and I waited, and I was watching a door 442 00:24:55,145 --> 00:24:57,104 in the other side of the room, 443 00:24:57,234 --> 00:25:00,107 and Sam came out of the other door. 444 00:25:00,237 --> 00:25:02,152 By the time I noticed he was there, 445 00:25:02,283 --> 00:25:04,503 he was, like, right here. 446 00:25:06,983 --> 00:25:10,030 There was this serial killer four inches from my face. 447 00:25:12,336 --> 00:25:14,643 And he said, "You. 448 00:25:14,774 --> 00:25:16,819 You." 449 00:25:16,950 --> 00:25:21,171 And I was like, "What's gonna happen now?" 450 00:25:21,302 --> 00:25:24,261 He said, "You... 451 00:25:24,392 --> 00:25:26,437 "are my angel come to visit me from Heaven. 452 00:25:26,568 --> 00:25:27,743 What do you want to know?" 453 00:25:29,789 --> 00:25:33,967 It was almost like I couldn't move. 454 00:25:34,097 --> 00:25:36,230 I'm processing the fact that I, you know, 455 00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:40,756 I've really never sat in front of a murderer before. 456 00:25:40,887 --> 00:25:43,716 And the first thing that struck me was his eyes. 457 00:25:45,935 --> 00:25:50,113 And what I see is, like, there's nothing behind them. 458 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,333 [dramatic musical sting] 459 00:25:52,463 --> 00:25:54,161 There's nothing. 460 00:25:57,425 --> 00:25:59,558 I said, "You know, I'm a writer 461 00:25:59,688 --> 00:26:04,388 "who is-is curious about violent crime. 462 00:26:04,519 --> 00:26:07,130 I'm wondering if you might be able to help me." 463 00:26:07,261 --> 00:26:10,351 And that whole first day, 464 00:26:10,481 --> 00:26:13,876 he just fed me a line of shit. 465 00:26:14,007 --> 00:26:16,575 "You know, I was framed." 466 00:26:25,235 --> 00:26:27,150 He maintained his innocence. 467 00:26:27,281 --> 00:26:30,589 You know, "DNA is bullshit. 468 00:26:30,676 --> 00:26:34,070 "All that proves is that you were somewhere. 469 00:26:34,201 --> 00:26:36,246 "I have just been in the wrong place 470 00:26:36,377 --> 00:26:37,857 at the wrong time." 471 00:26:37,944 --> 00:26:39,336 [dramatic musical sting] 472 00:26:39,423 --> 00:26:43,471 I knew that he was lying. 473 00:26:43,558 --> 00:26:45,952 And then I said goodbye, 474 00:26:46,082 --> 00:26:48,998 and I went home. 475 00:26:49,129 --> 00:26:52,523 I was feeling pretty despondent. 476 00:26:55,875 --> 00:26:58,486 [pensive music] 477 00:26:58,617 --> 00:27:01,315 But it lit a fire in me 478 00:27:01,445 --> 00:27:03,534 and made me determined 479 00:27:03,665 --> 00:27:07,408 to look deeper into Sam's past. 480 00:27:07,538 --> 00:27:09,671 These are two 481 00:27:09,802 --> 00:27:13,066 of the 27 notebooks of research 482 00:27:13,196 --> 00:27:14,502 I have on this case, 483 00:27:14,633 --> 00:27:17,157 and this is really where it started. 484 00:27:17,287 --> 00:27:20,203 I started looking at the public records, 485 00:27:20,290 --> 00:27:22,858 calling local jurisdictions, 486 00:27:22,945 --> 00:27:25,731 and I... 487 00:27:25,861 --> 00:27:29,517 couldn't believe what I was finding. 488 00:27:29,648 --> 00:27:31,867 I read his rap sheet, 489 00:27:31,954 --> 00:27:32,781 which was... 490 00:27:34,174 --> 00:27:36,524 astounding. 491 00:27:36,655 --> 00:27:40,441 Samuel Little had a rap sheet over 100 pages long, 492 00:27:40,571 --> 00:27:44,358 everything from petty theft 493 00:27:44,488 --> 00:27:46,621 to assault to rape 494 00:27:46,752 --> 00:27:49,232 to murder. 495 00:27:49,363 --> 00:27:50,973 There have been a lot 496 00:27:51,104 --> 00:27:55,195 of sexual assault victims. 497 00:27:55,325 --> 00:27:58,807 He was tried and got off again and again and again. 498 00:27:58,938 --> 00:28:00,069 I thought, "This can't be true. 499 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,333 This is outrageous." 500 00:28:03,420 --> 00:28:06,293 I was furious. 501 00:28:06,380 --> 00:28:07,990 And when I find something hard to believe, 502 00:28:08,077 --> 00:28:09,688 I'm not gonna take it at face value. 503 00:28:09,818 --> 00:28:12,168 I'm gonna go in 504 00:28:12,255 --> 00:28:14,823 and really do the investigative work 505 00:28:14,954 --> 00:28:16,564 and confirm it, 506 00:28:16,695 --> 00:28:20,960 because I thought, "There's no way this is true. 507 00:28:21,090 --> 00:28:23,832 There must've been something else going on." 508 00:28:23,963 --> 00:28:25,791 And if there wasn't, 509 00:28:25,921 --> 00:28:27,967 why? 510 00:28:28,097 --> 00:28:31,013 Like, why did he get away with this for so long? 511 00:28:31,144 --> 00:28:32,319 And how? 512 00:28:32,449 --> 00:28:35,365 [tense music] 513 00:28:35,496 --> 00:28:39,326 So, in 2018, 514 00:28:39,456 --> 00:28:41,894 I went to Pascagoula, Mississippi, 515 00:28:42,024 --> 00:28:44,374 to meet Hilda Nelson. 516 00:28:44,505 --> 00:28:46,725 Hilda Nelson is one 517 00:28:46,855 --> 00:28:50,816 of Sam's surviving victims. 518 00:28:50,946 --> 00:28:53,296 She was attacked by Sam Little 519 00:28:53,427 --> 00:28:56,952 in July 1980... 520 00:28:57,083 --> 00:28:59,259 but somehow survived. 521 00:28:59,389 --> 00:29:02,088 [eerie music] 522 00:29:02,218 --> 00:29:03,829 When I went to Pascagoula, 523 00:29:03,959 --> 00:29:07,963 it was my first real fieldwork 524 00:29:08,094 --> 00:29:10,879 around the Sam Little case. 525 00:29:10,966 --> 00:29:13,664 This is my little recorder. 526 00:29:13,752 --> 00:29:16,363 When I do research, I, you know, 527 00:29:16,493 --> 00:29:20,193 when given permission, always record any conversation. 528 00:29:20,323 --> 00:29:24,458 Um, so this is my audio of Hilda Nelson, 529 00:29:24,545 --> 00:29:28,854 who I hoped could give me a window 530 00:29:28,984 --> 00:29:30,333 unto a world 531 00:29:30,464 --> 00:29:33,206 in which Sam operated... 532 00:29:35,034 --> 00:29:37,253 Carver Village. 533 00:29:37,384 --> 00:29:40,648 [dramatic music] 534 00:29:40,779 --> 00:29:42,998 What was it like? Describe it to me. 535 00:29:51,702 --> 00:29:52,834 [Jillian] Mm-hmm. 536 00:29:54,531 --> 00:29:55,924 [Jillian] What were the clubs like? 537 00:29:56,055 --> 00:29:58,013 Were they bars? Was there dancing? 538 00:30:06,326 --> 00:30:08,894 [Jillian] Before the incident happened with Sam, 539 00:30:09,024 --> 00:30:10,591 was there ever any violence? 540 00:30:15,814 --> 00:30:18,599 [ominous music] 541 00:30:24,431 --> 00:30:25,301 [Jillian] Mm-hmm. 542 00:30:45,104 --> 00:30:46,583 [Jillian] Mm-hmm. 543 00:30:46,670 --> 00:30:48,020 [lock clicks] 544 00:31:30,976 --> 00:31:31,890 [Jillian] Mm-hmm. 545 00:31:36,982 --> 00:31:38,070 [Jillian] Mm-hmm. 546 00:31:48,515 --> 00:31:51,039 ♪ 547 00:32:27,380 --> 00:32:29,382 [Jillian] Hilda was just like, 548 00:32:29,512 --> 00:32:32,820 "I don't count on this justice system 549 00:32:32,907 --> 00:32:35,518 "to bring any kind of accountability 550 00:32:35,649 --> 00:32:38,957 or justice to me." 551 00:32:39,087 --> 00:32:43,874 She said the only reason anyone cared 552 00:32:44,005 --> 00:32:47,922 that a Black prostitute in Mississippi was attacked 553 00:32:48,053 --> 00:32:51,099 was when a white girl went missing 554 00:32:51,230 --> 00:32:53,754 two years later. 555 00:32:53,884 --> 00:32:56,975 And that girl was Melinda LaPree. 556 00:32:57,062 --> 00:32:59,803 [eerie music] 557 00:32:59,978 --> 00:33:02,719 ♪ 558 00:33:02,850 --> 00:33:04,286 [Bob] My sister, Mindy, 559 00:33:04,417 --> 00:33:07,898 she went missing in September of 1982. 560 00:33:08,029 --> 00:33:11,554 Her boyfriend called my father 561 00:33:11,641 --> 00:33:13,643 to tell him that, you know, Mindy's missing. 562 00:33:16,907 --> 00:33:20,824 I was really worried, obviously. 563 00:33:20,911 --> 00:33:23,958 Her boyfriend, he had uh, been told 564 00:33:24,045 --> 00:33:26,265 by some of her friends that she had gotten 565 00:33:26,352 --> 00:33:30,834 into a car with a man and uh, never saw her again. 566 00:33:30,965 --> 00:33:33,620 I was certainly very, uh, concerned 567 00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:36,884 that something terrible had happened. 568 00:33:36,971 --> 00:33:39,060 That's when I started to get in contact 569 00:33:39,191 --> 00:33:41,889 with the authorities. 570 00:33:42,020 --> 00:33:43,717 [Darren] Melinda LaPree was a white female. 571 00:33:43,847 --> 00:33:45,371 She's 22 years old. 572 00:33:45,501 --> 00:33:47,155 She was a prostitute. 573 00:33:47,286 --> 00:33:49,636 She's been missing. She's not come home. 574 00:33:49,766 --> 00:33:51,812 [Bob] Their initial reaction was, 575 00:33:51,942 --> 00:33:54,510 "Well, we don't really have any reason 576 00:33:54,641 --> 00:33:56,208 "to think there has been foul play, 577 00:33:56,338 --> 00:33:58,601 "and so she may have just moved on 578 00:33:58,732 --> 00:34:01,387 and not told anybody." 579 00:34:01,517 --> 00:34:03,171 [Darren] It had only been a couple of hours, 580 00:34:03,302 --> 00:34:05,347 and the officer at the front desk 581 00:34:05,478 --> 00:34:07,654 basically told him, "Come back in the morning 582 00:34:07,741 --> 00:34:10,309 if she hasn't returned," which was typical in that day, 583 00:34:10,439 --> 00:34:13,094 for prostitutes to leave for days sometimes, 584 00:34:13,225 --> 00:34:14,791 only to come back and not really be missing. 585 00:34:14,965 --> 00:34:17,316 ♪ 586 00:34:17,446 --> 00:34:19,361 [Jillian] I suspect that Sam Little 587 00:34:19,448 --> 00:34:21,233 got away with this for so long 588 00:34:21,363 --> 00:34:23,496 because he was operating 589 00:34:23,626 --> 00:34:26,586 in communities he knew were ignored... 590 00:34:28,631 --> 00:34:30,938 ...places where he was confident 591 00:34:31,069 --> 00:34:33,071 he wouldn't get caught 592 00:34:33,201 --> 00:34:36,030 because he felt his victims were invisible. 593 00:34:36,204 --> 00:34:39,077 ♪ 594 00:34:41,862 --> 00:34:43,951 [Darren] Judson Brooks was 595 00:34:44,082 --> 00:34:46,214 one of the original investigators 596 00:34:46,345 --> 00:34:48,390 on the Melinda LaPree case in 1982. 597 00:34:48,521 --> 00:34:49,348 [door closes] 598 00:34:51,785 --> 00:34:53,003 You remember this old paper? 599 00:34:53,134 --> 00:34:54,483 Yes, I do. 600 00:34:56,006 --> 00:34:57,573 It said, "Here's a female 601 00:34:57,660 --> 00:34:59,967 "who was a witness that Melinda LaPree 602 00:35:00,098 --> 00:35:02,926 "getting into a- to a brown Pinto station wagon 603 00:35:03,013 --> 00:35:04,580 "with an Alabama tag 604 00:35:04,711 --> 00:35:06,452 the night of September the 15th." 605 00:35:06,582 --> 00:35:08,497 Right. 606 00:35:08,628 --> 00:35:11,065 Investigators that were working the case back then, 607 00:35:11,196 --> 00:35:13,807 they start interviewing some people that actually saw 608 00:35:13,894 --> 00:35:16,897 what car she got into and the-the driver behind the car. 609 00:35:17,027 --> 00:35:18,420 They watched her get in, 610 00:35:18,507 --> 00:35:19,682 and they seen him come back without her. 611 00:35:19,813 --> 00:35:21,423 Yeah. 612 00:35:21,554 --> 00:35:25,123 Well, that's not a whole lot to start with. 613 00:35:25,210 --> 00:35:28,648 [Darren] The driver behind the car was a Black male. 614 00:35:28,735 --> 00:35:30,389 There were other prostitutes that saw her 615 00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:32,304 get into a station wagon with wood-grain panels 616 00:35:32,434 --> 00:35:35,916 and an Alabama tag. 617 00:35:36,003 --> 00:35:38,832 Uh, and that's what law enforcement began looking for. 618 00:35:38,962 --> 00:35:41,313 [police radio chatter] 619 00:35:41,443 --> 00:35:44,229 [Pat] When I heard that Mindy was missing, 620 00:35:44,316 --> 00:35:46,013 I was really worried. 621 00:35:46,144 --> 00:35:47,623 And then, you know, 622 00:35:47,754 --> 00:35:49,799 one week became two weeks 623 00:35:49,930 --> 00:35:51,323 and then three weeks 624 00:35:51,453 --> 00:35:54,282 and more. 625 00:35:54,413 --> 00:35:56,589 [Bob] Here she is when she was just a cute little girl. 626 00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,460 [Pat] Mm-hmm. 627 00:35:58,547 --> 00:36:00,462 She was a happy child. Mindy would, you know, 628 00:36:00,593 --> 00:36:02,116 wake up and be in her crib in the morning, 629 00:36:02,203 --> 00:36:03,552 and she would be singing. 630 00:36:03,683 --> 00:36:05,206 Taught herself to play the flute. 631 00:36:05,337 --> 00:36:06,555 She played wonderful music, 632 00:36:06,642 --> 00:36:09,254 uh, both flute and piano and... 633 00:36:09,384 --> 00:36:11,299 We had a piano in the house. 634 00:36:11,430 --> 00:36:13,693 2:00--uh, 1:00 or 2:00 in the morning, 635 00:36:13,823 --> 00:36:15,390 3:00 in the morning, all of a sudden, 636 00:36:15,521 --> 00:36:17,349 you hear Beethoven, 637 00:36:17,479 --> 00:36:20,134 or it could be "Stairway to Heaven." 638 00:36:20,265 --> 00:36:23,181 She could play by ear. 639 00:36:23,311 --> 00:36:24,747 [Pat] She was really smart. 640 00:36:24,878 --> 00:36:26,836 She could sleep through class and get A's. 641 00:36:26,967 --> 00:36:28,186 And she did. 642 00:36:30,797 --> 00:36:32,451 It was an idyllic time, I think. 643 00:36:32,581 --> 00:36:33,756 [chuckles] 644 00:36:33,887 --> 00:36:35,671 It's kind of bittersweet to look at it. 645 00:36:35,802 --> 00:36:38,457 [solemn music] 646 00:36:38,631 --> 00:36:41,721 ♪ 647 00:36:41,851 --> 00:36:44,593 [Bob] Our father was rather, uh, emotionally cold 648 00:36:44,724 --> 00:36:47,205 and often quite violent. 649 00:36:47,335 --> 00:36:49,207 Yeah, he beat all of us, 650 00:36:49,337 --> 00:36:52,819 and Melinda and I took, I think, the brunt of it. 651 00:36:52,949 --> 00:36:55,387 [Jim] Mindy suffered pretty heavily. 652 00:36:55,474 --> 00:36:58,825 We're talking some serious beatings here. 653 00:36:58,955 --> 00:37:01,219 Melinda started acting out 654 00:37:01,349 --> 00:37:03,612 and-and-and being rebellious. 655 00:37:06,049 --> 00:37:09,227 You know, she was living kind of a raw lifestyle, 656 00:37:09,357 --> 00:37:11,490 on-the-edge kind of living. 657 00:37:11,620 --> 00:37:14,754 Sold drugs. Took drugs, sold drugs. 658 00:37:14,884 --> 00:37:17,365 And she sold herself as a sex worker. 659 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,806 [Jim] In August 1982, 660 00:37:23,937 --> 00:37:26,722 Mindy called to say 661 00:37:26,853 --> 00:37:28,898 she was having a baby. 662 00:37:28,985 --> 00:37:31,161 And she was very-- 663 00:37:31,292 --> 00:37:34,295 very upbeat and very happy about it. 664 00:37:34,426 --> 00:37:36,428 [Pat] Mindy had her son, Will, 665 00:37:36,515 --> 00:37:39,300 in August 1982. 666 00:37:43,522 --> 00:37:45,263 [Bob] And then she disappeared 667 00:37:45,393 --> 00:37:47,265 just three weeks later. 668 00:37:51,356 --> 00:37:54,141 [somber music] 669 00:37:54,228 --> 00:37:57,318 ♪ 670 00:37:57,449 --> 00:37:59,929 [Darren] Almost a month later, 671 00:38:00,060 --> 00:38:02,497 a body is found 672 00:38:02,584 --> 00:38:06,022 in a ditch in a cemetery 673 00:38:06,153 --> 00:38:08,286 in our sister city, Gautier, Mississippi. 674 00:38:11,419 --> 00:38:13,247 When we found the body, 675 00:38:13,378 --> 00:38:15,162 she was in a state of decomposition. 676 00:38:15,293 --> 00:38:17,033 She's already been out in the elements 677 00:38:17,164 --> 00:38:18,948 for almost a month. 678 00:38:21,647 --> 00:38:23,910 She was discarded like a bag of garbage. 679 00:38:26,478 --> 00:38:29,176 [ominous music] 680 00:38:29,307 --> 00:38:32,005 The autopsy report, it showed strangulation, 681 00:38:32,135 --> 00:38:33,920 manual strangulation. 682 00:38:34,094 --> 00:38:36,923 ♪ 683 00:38:41,623 --> 00:38:44,017 [Pat] We knew it was a homicide. 684 00:38:44,104 --> 00:38:46,933 I think I went into shock. 685 00:38:47,063 --> 00:38:50,632 And I stayed that way for, you know, weeks. 686 00:38:50,763 --> 00:38:53,287 I mean, guilt, 687 00:38:53,418 --> 00:38:55,463 anger, rage. 688 00:38:57,509 --> 00:38:58,858 [Bob] We were raised Catholic. 689 00:38:58,988 --> 00:39:02,383 She had a Catholic burial. 690 00:39:02,514 --> 00:39:04,167 I remember coming out of the church, 691 00:39:04,298 --> 00:39:07,519 lighting up a cigarette... 692 00:39:07,649 --> 00:39:10,870 taking a couple puffs off of it... 693 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,828 and putting it out in my hand... 694 00:39:15,614 --> 00:39:17,572 ...just to feel something. 695 00:39:17,659 --> 00:39:20,706 ♪ 696 00:39:20,793 --> 00:39:23,665 It took me out. 697 00:39:23,752 --> 00:39:25,885 There's no other way to describe it. 698 00:39:26,015 --> 00:39:28,496 [sighs heavily] 699 00:39:32,761 --> 00:39:34,720 [Darren] Two months after Melinda's murder, 700 00:39:34,850 --> 00:39:37,984 it's November, and we catch a break. 701 00:39:38,071 --> 00:39:40,378 A car is stopped 702 00:39:40,465 --> 00:39:44,077 two cities from us uh, for shoplifting. 703 00:39:44,207 --> 00:39:46,296 It's a station wagon with a wood-grain panel 704 00:39:46,384 --> 00:39:48,777 and Alabama tag. 705 00:39:48,908 --> 00:39:52,651 It's the same car that Melinda was seen getting into. 706 00:39:52,781 --> 00:39:54,827 And then we have our suspect, 707 00:39:54,957 --> 00:39:57,656 and his name he gives is Sam McDowell. 708 00:39:57,743 --> 00:39:59,962 And, ultimately, we found out that Sam McDowell 709 00:40:00,093 --> 00:40:01,224 is actually Sam Little. 710 00:40:01,355 --> 00:40:04,184 [tense music] 711 00:40:04,358 --> 00:40:07,666 ♪ 712 00:40:07,753 --> 00:40:09,363 So the investigators working the case, 713 00:40:09,494 --> 00:40:11,191 they're interviewing Sam Little. 714 00:40:13,411 --> 00:40:16,544 Sam is denying everything. "I wasn't here. 715 00:40:16,675 --> 00:40:17,937 "I don't know what you're talking about. 716 00:40:18,067 --> 00:40:19,460 I ain't killed nobody." 717 00:40:19,591 --> 00:40:22,768 Uh, just denial, denial, denial. 718 00:40:22,898 --> 00:40:25,161 But investigators found receipts in the car 719 00:40:25,248 --> 00:40:28,077 that shows him at a hotel here. 720 00:40:28,208 --> 00:40:29,905 So he says he wasn't here, 721 00:40:30,036 --> 00:40:32,560 but we got motel receipts says he was. 722 00:40:32,691 --> 00:40:33,909 Melinda LaPree was killed 723 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:35,737 during the time that he was here, 724 00:40:35,868 --> 00:40:39,262 so, you know, we're-we're building a case. 725 00:40:39,393 --> 00:40:42,701 But, unfortunately, because of Melinda's body 726 00:40:42,831 --> 00:40:44,746 being out in the elements for so long, 727 00:40:44,877 --> 00:40:46,269 we didn't have any evidence to support 728 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,271 that, uh, Sam killed her. 729 00:40:48,358 --> 00:40:49,882 We didn't have any evidence 730 00:40:50,012 --> 00:40:52,362 of her in the car that they-they found. 731 00:40:52,493 --> 00:40:54,364 We're gonna have challenges 732 00:40:54,452 --> 00:40:56,628 in trying to get the evidence needed 733 00:40:56,758 --> 00:40:59,805 to-to get this thing in court. 734 00:41:07,726 --> 00:41:08,422 [Jillian] Uh-huh. 735 00:41:23,785 --> 00:41:26,048 [Judson] But I talked to the D.A. about holding him, 736 00:41:26,135 --> 00:41:27,180 but he said, "You can't hold him. 737 00:41:27,310 --> 00:41:28,703 You have nothing to hold him on." 738 00:41:28,834 --> 00:41:31,271 I said, "Well, maybe can I hold him on vagrancy?" 739 00:41:31,401 --> 00:41:33,316 He said, "No, I don't think so." 740 00:41:33,447 --> 00:41:34,927 You were trying to do whatever you could to keep him-- 741 00:41:35,057 --> 00:41:36,624 Everything I could do to keep him here, 742 00:41:36,755 --> 00:41:38,539 but like I said, all this, what is in here 743 00:41:38,670 --> 00:41:40,585 is all that we had. 744 00:41:40,715 --> 00:41:43,370 Every chance that we tried to use 745 00:41:43,457 --> 00:41:46,678 did not hold water according to the D.A., 746 00:41:46,808 --> 00:41:49,942 and, of course, he was right. 747 00:41:50,072 --> 00:41:52,074 When they couldn't get him on the murder, 748 00:41:52,205 --> 00:41:53,641 what investigators did is they were trying 749 00:41:53,772 --> 00:41:56,078 to put something together 750 00:41:56,209 --> 00:41:59,299 so they could get Sam Little off of, uh, off the streets 751 00:41:59,429 --> 00:42:02,607 and be sure he didn't kill anybody else. 752 00:42:02,737 --> 00:42:04,609 And so that's when investigators found out 753 00:42:04,739 --> 00:42:06,480 there's two other prostitutes, 754 00:42:06,611 --> 00:42:08,613 two other victims that have survived 755 00:42:08,700 --> 00:42:10,919 similar attacks in Pascagoula 756 00:42:11,050 --> 00:42:13,661 on previous dates. 757 00:42:13,792 --> 00:42:15,271 They fought back, 758 00:42:15,402 --> 00:42:17,926 and-and they were able to survive the attack... 759 00:42:18,057 --> 00:42:20,668 Leila McClain 760 00:42:20,799 --> 00:42:23,149 and Hilda Nelson. 761 00:42:40,775 --> 00:42:43,169 [Darren] Hilda and Leila, 762 00:42:43,299 --> 00:42:45,650 both these women come to the station, 763 00:42:45,780 --> 00:42:49,262 and they pick Sam Little out of a lineup. 764 00:42:49,392 --> 00:42:52,439 And they positively ID'd him 765 00:42:52,570 --> 00:42:55,137 as strangling them and trying to kill them. 766 00:43:05,321 --> 00:43:07,323 [Darren] These two women, 767 00:43:07,454 --> 00:43:09,325 they were the strongest case we had against Sam Little 768 00:43:09,456 --> 00:43:11,153 at the time, even though we suspected him 769 00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:13,416 of killing Melinda LaPree. 770 00:43:13,503 --> 00:43:15,854 But these were prostitutes. 771 00:43:15,984 --> 00:43:17,420 You're gonna have a difficult time 772 00:43:17,507 --> 00:43:20,423 trying to get credibility up with a jury. 773 00:43:20,554 --> 00:43:23,165 They'd been arrested, uh, probably numerous times, 774 00:43:23,296 --> 00:43:25,994 and, "How can you believe them?" 775 00:43:26,125 --> 00:43:27,126 But we had to try. 776 00:43:28,606 --> 00:43:31,391 [sinister music] 777 00:43:31,565 --> 00:43:34,437 ♪ 778 00:43:44,099 --> 00:43:48,016 I believe it was an enormous act of courage 779 00:43:48,103 --> 00:43:50,105 and faith 780 00:43:50,192 --> 00:43:53,152 on the part of these women 781 00:43:53,282 --> 00:43:55,589 who were Black prostitutes, 782 00:43:55,720 --> 00:43:59,375 and they still came to testify against him. 783 00:44:00,463 --> 00:44:04,598 They walked for miles to the courthouse, 784 00:44:04,729 --> 00:44:07,949 and Hilda was pregnant 785 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,386 at the time. 786 00:44:10,517 --> 00:44:13,955 When they walked in and Hilda saw Sam, 787 00:44:14,042 --> 00:44:17,350 she was so frightened, she urinated. 788 00:44:46,771 --> 00:44:48,686 [suspenseful music] 789 00:44:48,816 --> 00:44:50,949 [Darren] Hilda talks about being on the stand 790 00:44:51,079 --> 00:44:54,735 and actually being so upset and nervous. 791 00:44:54,866 --> 00:44:59,218 And, uh, I think that's where things kind of went bad. 792 00:44:59,348 --> 00:45:01,524 Something happened. 793 00:45:01,611 --> 00:45:03,744 For some reason, we could not even get an indictment 794 00:45:03,831 --> 00:45:06,138 against Sam Little, 795 00:45:06,268 --> 00:45:08,749 which means that there were gonna be no charges. 796 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,578 Hilda and, uh, Leila, 797 00:45:11,709 --> 00:45:13,493 we failed them, in my opinion. 798 00:45:30,423 --> 00:45:32,991 There was such a miscarriage of justice 799 00:45:33,078 --> 00:45:35,602 in the cases of Leila McClain 800 00:45:35,733 --> 00:45:38,126 and Hilda Nelson 801 00:45:38,213 --> 00:45:40,912 and also in the murder of Melinda LaPree. 802 00:45:41,042 --> 00:45:43,436 [solemn music] 803 00:45:43,523 --> 00:45:47,309 That's what really, really eats at me. 804 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,921 Sam Little, he was in custody, 805 00:45:50,051 --> 00:45:52,227 but they said that uh, they couldn't prosecute 806 00:45:52,358 --> 00:45:55,056 because, uh, the, uh, the only witnesses 807 00:45:55,187 --> 00:45:57,842 were, uh... 808 00:45:57,972 --> 00:46:00,148 I remember them saying "junkies and whores," 809 00:46:00,279 --> 00:46:02,934 but it was words to that effect, 810 00:46:03,064 --> 00:46:04,849 because that's the sort of, 811 00:46:04,936 --> 00:46:07,025 uh, witness that, you know, gets shredded 812 00:46:07,155 --> 00:46:09,070 by defense attorneys and that sort of thing. 813 00:46:09,201 --> 00:46:11,899 You know, it really angered me deeply. 814 00:46:12,073 --> 00:46:14,989 ♪ 815 00:46:18,427 --> 00:46:20,299 I don't know. 816 00:46:20,386 --> 00:46:22,562 I don't know if it was because of, uh, 817 00:46:22,692 --> 00:46:25,565 her occupation. 818 00:46:25,695 --> 00:46:29,612 I don't know if it was because of the color of her skin. 819 00:46:29,743 --> 00:46:31,484 I'd hate to think that, because I don't think 820 00:46:31,614 --> 00:46:34,095 we're that kind of town or community. 821 00:46:34,182 --> 00:46:36,445 I don't know. It's just one of those... 822 00:46:36,576 --> 00:46:38,273 It's kind of hard to believe that, you know, uh... 823 00:46:41,015 --> 00:46:43,409 ...that these things actually happen. 824 00:46:47,369 --> 00:46:49,241 [Mitzi] I mean, really, 825 00:46:49,371 --> 00:46:53,419 Leila McClain summed it up to a T 826 00:46:53,549 --> 00:46:56,857 when she said, "Ain't nobody gonna believe 827 00:46:56,944 --> 00:46:59,599 "a Black prostitute in Pascagoula, Mississippi, 828 00:46:59,729 --> 00:47:01,949 in 1982." 829 00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,865 And I can't say it any better than that, 830 00:47:04,996 --> 00:47:07,563 'cause it's exactly the truth. 831 00:47:07,650 --> 00:47:10,523 [tense music] 832 00:47:10,610 --> 00:47:13,439 ♪ 833 00:47:15,441 --> 00:47:19,924 I was pretty devastated by that first conversation 834 00:47:20,054 --> 00:47:23,492 with Sam Little in prison. 835 00:47:23,623 --> 00:47:25,625 It's pretty nerve-racking. 836 00:47:25,755 --> 00:47:29,455 It has a physical effect on you. 837 00:47:31,109 --> 00:47:35,330 I was feeling pretty sick of him 838 00:47:35,461 --> 00:47:37,245 and his lies. 839 00:47:37,332 --> 00:47:40,118 I decided, "I'm gonna visit him 840 00:47:40,205 --> 00:47:42,598 "in prison again 841 00:47:42,729 --> 00:47:45,993 because these victims' stories are too important." 842 00:47:46,124 --> 00:47:49,736 And I was determined to get Sam to admit the truth. 843 00:47:49,823 --> 00:47:52,652 ♪ 844 00:47:58,571 --> 00:48:00,747 I talked to Hilda, who testified at your trial. 845 00:48:03,097 --> 00:48:04,969 [Jillian sighs] Did she? 846 00:48:05,056 --> 00:48:07,058 Did she really lie? 847 00:48:07,145 --> 00:48:09,756 I knew that he was lying. 848 00:48:09,843 --> 00:48:11,671 I decided, 849 00:48:11,801 --> 00:48:13,760 "If he lies to me again, 850 00:48:13,891 --> 00:48:16,458 I'm done, I'm out." 851 00:48:16,545 --> 00:48:18,721 I'm--like, I'm not gonna sit there 852 00:48:18,808 --> 00:48:21,986 and listen to him bullshit 853 00:48:22,116 --> 00:48:26,338 about these crimes and murders I know he committed. 854 00:48:26,468 --> 00:48:27,948 You tell me the truth right now. 855 00:48:28,079 --> 00:48:29,819 You did not hit Hilda? 856 00:48:34,824 --> 00:48:36,783 [Jillian] Sam Little is a psychopath, 857 00:48:36,914 --> 00:48:40,221 so every interaction he has 858 00:48:40,352 --> 00:48:43,050 is transactional, right? 859 00:48:43,181 --> 00:48:45,400 It means, like, "I'll give you something, 860 00:48:45,487 --> 00:48:47,663 you give me something." 861 00:48:47,794 --> 00:48:50,057 And he started trying to work me, 862 00:48:50,144 --> 00:48:53,713 and, um, you know, "I want this, I want that. 863 00:48:53,843 --> 00:48:56,672 I want canteen money. I want a TV." 864 00:48:56,803 --> 00:48:58,979 And I said, 865 00:48:59,110 --> 00:49:03,723 "I-I-I-I want things, too, Sam." 866 00:49:03,810 --> 00:49:07,379 It was just this moment 867 00:49:07,509 --> 00:49:09,859 where we were, like, frozen 868 00:49:09,990 --> 00:49:12,384 and eyes locked, 869 00:49:12,514 --> 00:49:15,865 and I know that he knew that I was out 870 00:49:15,996 --> 00:49:19,565 if he didn't start talking. 871 00:49:19,695 --> 00:49:22,176 And he was like, 872 00:49:22,307 --> 00:49:25,440 "Okay, you got me. 873 00:49:25,571 --> 00:49:27,355 What do you want to know for your book, little miss?" 874 00:49:31,316 --> 00:49:33,796 [Jillian] Yeah, I want you to tell me a little story. 875 00:49:57,690 --> 00:50:02,086 It took me a minute to realize... 876 00:50:02,216 --> 00:50:04,175 he's confessing. 877 00:50:27,241 --> 00:50:29,026 [Jillian] So you didn't mean to kill her? 878 00:50:38,165 --> 00:50:40,254 [Jillian] "With that, he began to tell me 879 00:50:40,385 --> 00:50:42,735 "about the women he had killed. 880 00:50:42,865 --> 00:50:45,129 "With astonishing detail 881 00:50:45,259 --> 00:50:47,870 "and near photographic recall, 882 00:50:48,001 --> 00:50:50,090 "he took me back through his past, 883 00:50:50,221 --> 00:50:52,484 "when the road was his home 884 00:50:52,614 --> 00:50:55,791 "and the back alleys and underbelly bars 885 00:50:55,922 --> 00:50:59,534 "in city after city across the country 886 00:50:59,621 --> 00:51:03,364 offered a feast of low-hanging fruit." 887 00:51:03,495 --> 00:51:06,628 [sinister music] 888 00:51:06,759 --> 00:51:10,197 When Sam first started confessing to me, 889 00:51:10,284 --> 00:51:12,808 then it was like the floodgates opened, 890 00:51:12,939 --> 00:51:15,246 and he told me about another one... 891 00:51:18,162 --> 00:51:19,293 ...and another one... 892 00:51:22,427 --> 00:51:23,428 ...another one... 893 00:51:27,693 --> 00:51:28,389 ...another one. 894 00:51:32,437 --> 00:51:35,179 He told me about 13 murders that day. 895 00:51:56,069 --> 00:51:59,203 ♪ 896 00:51:59,333 --> 00:52:02,510 [Jillian] Just to sit there a foot from this person 897 00:52:02,641 --> 00:52:05,774 who is talking about this so dismissively, 898 00:52:05,905 --> 00:52:08,342 I felt a rage 899 00:52:08,473 --> 00:52:12,955 unlike anything I've ever felt. 900 00:52:13,086 --> 00:52:17,351 I wasn't shocked because... 901 00:52:17,482 --> 00:52:20,398 I'm not shocked... 902 00:52:20,485 --> 00:52:25,229 that there's this, like... 903 00:52:25,359 --> 00:52:28,928 casual and vicious violence 904 00:52:29,058 --> 00:52:30,582 against women. 905 00:52:32,149 --> 00:52:33,585 I've seen it. 906 00:52:33,715 --> 00:52:35,152 I know it. 907 00:52:36,675 --> 00:52:39,025 I want to know why. 908 00:52:39,156 --> 00:52:42,159 Why? Why, and how? 909 00:52:44,987 --> 00:52:47,164 [Scott] Once she started visiting Sam in prison, 910 00:52:47,294 --> 00:52:49,601 that really awoke a lot 911 00:52:49,731 --> 00:52:51,559 of different kind of demons in her. 912 00:52:51,690 --> 00:52:54,258 There was just no way of telling 913 00:52:54,345 --> 00:52:56,825 what the story was gonna grow into 914 00:52:56,956 --> 00:52:59,524 and-and the effect it would have on us 915 00:52:59,654 --> 00:53:02,179 and how immense 916 00:53:02,309 --> 00:53:04,659 the power and destruction of this man was 917 00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:06,705 when we started. 918 00:53:06,792 --> 00:53:10,230 [eerie music] 919 00:53:10,361 --> 00:53:14,626 [Jillian] I feel connected to these women's stories. 920 00:53:14,756 --> 00:53:16,889 I can imagine the last moments 921 00:53:17,019 --> 00:53:18,586 of these women's lives 922 00:53:18,717 --> 00:53:21,372 and that they were dismissed and invisible 923 00:53:21,502 --> 00:53:23,591 for all of these years. 924 00:53:23,765 --> 00:53:26,594 ♪ 925 00:53:28,117 --> 00:53:30,163 And Samuel Little 926 00:53:30,294 --> 00:53:34,211 was the only one who held these stories. 927 00:53:34,341 --> 00:53:37,866 And I was like, "You are not entitled to this." 928 00:53:37,953 --> 00:53:40,391 Like, "You don't get to have this." 929 00:53:40,521 --> 00:53:43,350 And there are many more unidentified victims 930 00:53:43,481 --> 00:53:44,612 out there. 931 00:53:48,312 --> 00:53:50,488 [Bobby] We go to the sheriff office, 932 00:53:50,575 --> 00:53:52,359 and he tells us, 933 00:53:52,490 --> 00:53:54,100 "Well, you know, if-if y'all want to find out 934 00:53:54,231 --> 00:53:55,710 "who killed her so bad, 935 00:53:55,841 --> 00:53:58,757 why don't y'all just go find out?" 936 00:53:58,887 --> 00:54:00,802 [Tomeka] I don't feel 937 00:54:00,933 --> 00:54:03,109 that she was important enough 938 00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:06,547 to them to investigate. 939 00:54:06,678 --> 00:54:08,419 [voice breaking] It broke my heart. 940 00:54:12,423 --> 00:54:15,774 [Coyce] My mother was taken from us from an evil person 941 00:54:15,904 --> 00:54:19,256 who shouldn't even be living. 942 00:54:19,386 --> 00:54:21,649 [Jim] After my sister was murdered, 943 00:54:21,780 --> 00:54:24,348 it just started eating me alive. 944 00:54:24,478 --> 00:54:25,914 [voice breaking] I came very close 945 00:54:26,045 --> 00:54:27,786 to taking my own life. 946 00:54:27,916 --> 00:54:31,006 [foreboding music] 947 00:54:31,093 --> 00:54:34,445 [Jillian] We have limited time. 948 00:54:34,575 --> 00:54:38,492 Sam Little, he's an old man. He's not well. 949 00:54:38,579 --> 00:54:41,365 And when he dies, 950 00:54:41,495 --> 00:54:45,238 many of these unsolved cases will die with him. 951 00:54:45,369 --> 00:54:48,546 I will never rest 952 00:54:48,676 --> 00:54:52,463 until I can restore the names 953 00:54:52,550 --> 00:54:54,987 of these victims. 954 00:54:55,117 --> 00:54:57,946 How many women have you killed? 955 00:54:58,077 --> 00:54:59,774 I want the truth. 956 00:54:59,861 --> 00:55:00,732 [Sam] I think that...