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[pensive music playing]
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[man 1] What really struck me
about The Queen's Gambit
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was that it wasn't at all about chess.
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It's not about a game.
It's about the cost of genius.
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[woman 1] It's a story
about how you survive in a world
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when you have a very specific gift
that makes you harder to understand.
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I think she looks to chess
as very much an escape.
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[man 2] Although it tells that story
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about a child genius
working up to a world level,
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it's actually still more about her demons.
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[music intensifies]
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That's right, I can still…
Can I still move another piece?
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-[man 3] No, it's touch-move.
-[all laughing]
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{\an8}Scott sent me the book to read
before I met him,
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and I devoured the book in about an hour.
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I fell in love with Beth immediately,
and there was a really strong kinship.
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[man 1] This character is, you know,
essentially, her own antagonist,
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{\an8}and I was fascinated.
I'd never read a character like this.
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Somebody who is so brilliant
and so self-destructive,
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and in a world that she was already
kind of not a part of.
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-Are you sure you wanna do this?
-I'm sure.
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We don't have a women's section.
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{\an8}Back in the 1950s, there were
very few females turning to chess.
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{\an8}They weren't given the opportunities.
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Beth trying to make her way
in a male-dominated discipline and world
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is something that's quite distinctive
and unusual.
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{\an8}Tevis was writing with an understanding
of the next century, almost.
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It's quite brilliant.
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How old are you?
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Never mind.
Don't answer that. It'll just depress me.
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-Mm. I'm 36.
-[chuckles]
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She's so centered
in how intelligent she is
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that she doesn't necessarily think
of herself as a woman first,
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and I do think
that there is something to that,
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because you're experiencing the '60s
through her
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in the way that she just
automatically assumes that she is equal.
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Am I good enough now?
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To tell you the truth of it, child…
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you're astounding.
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[crew 1] Mark-up.
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[Frank] And action!
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Almost ten years ago,
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Bill Horberg had brought up the book to me
as something that I might wanna do.
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We briefly flirted
with doing it as a feature,
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and Allan Scott had written
quite a nice script,
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and nothing ever came of it.
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It was very hard
to get a movie like that made at the time.
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Then, right after I finished Godless,
I had this revelation,
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and I said to him,
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"What about The Queen's Gambit
as a miniseries?"
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The overriding interest I've always had
is to make it powerfully emotional.
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And I think when you extend something,
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you get the time
to follow all kinds of paths
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and all kinds of themes.
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What I really wanted to focus on,
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and the challenge
in turning it into a miniseries, for me,
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was making sure that
what you're really invested in is her.
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Someday, you're gonna be all alone,
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so you need to figure out
how to take care of yourself.
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[Taylor-Joy] She's come from a home life,
and just a lot in life,
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that has left her feeling very unstable.
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She doesn't really know
where she's going to end up.
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What's that game called?
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It's called chess.
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Will you teach me?
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I think Beth's first true connection
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is with Mr. Shaibel.
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It's with somebody
who she feels understands
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not only her gift,
but how her brain works.
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Also, somebody who can tell her "no."
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-You have resigned the game.
-You didn't tell me that in the rules.
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It's not a rule.
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It's sportsmanship.
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And then I think she's got
a wonderful friendship with Jolene,
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and that comes from a place
of both understanding
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that they're very different, and yet,
have come from the exact same place.
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Most of us are lifers.
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Been here a long time.
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{\an8}I would say she's kind of like
a mother to Beth,
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{\an8}in her own little way.
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They're not adopted
for the majority of their lives,
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so they kind of do need
to depend on each other in that place.
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[man 4] Green's to even your disposition.
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Orange and brown's for building
a strong body. Take 'em both.
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In the early '60s, late '50s,
it was very common to give…
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children in orphanages tranquilizers
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to make them easier to handle.
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So, yeah, she becomes addicted
to tranquilizers
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and sedatives when she's nine.
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Well, the trick with addiction,
with drinking or drugs or anything,
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is making sure
that you empathize with the character,
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and still tell a compelling story.
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Sleight of hand, for me,
was humor sometimes.
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[pills clattering]
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There's a long sequence
where she steals the pills,
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and that was as funny as it is harrowing.
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Elizabeth!
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[crash]
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As she gets older,
she forms many addictions.
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She discovers alcohol when she's about 15.
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[coughs] It's good.
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And consummates that relationship.
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['60s guitar music playing]
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Anybody who's dealing with problems
of addiction is their own worst enemy.
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She keeps self-destructing along the way.
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[grunts]
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There's a moment when she's been
on a particularly tough bender,
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and she meets
the first person that she ever played,
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who's another girl called Annette Packer.
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I-- I knew you were going places,
and that meant something to me.
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That whole exchange
was really, really tricky and rough to do,
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because I just had to be in this state
of "everything is falling apart."
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"And you looked up to me,
and now I have to carry that shame."
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Like, she was just--
She was an angry bird.
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I'm worried about you.
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What on earth for? [scoffs]
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For me,
the whole story is organized around that.
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Is she gonna lose hold of herself,
or is she gonna be able to make it?
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"She shows the assurance
of a player twice her age."
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That's national recognition, dear.
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She's also addicted to winning.
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[thrilling music playing]
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She's addicted to feeling
like she is in control.
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Chess is the one thing
she feels like she can control,
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that, on that board, she's in charge.
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Whenever she's moving those pieces around,
she's at home.
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I'll win.
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I have every confidence.
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You do feel for the relationship
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that both Mrs. Wheatley and Beth
have together.
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And Mari played her with deep empathy,
and, I think, sympathy.
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For the role of Mrs. Wheatley,
I had been telling Bill Horberg
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that it's someone like Marielle Heller,
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and Bill said to me,
"Why don't you just cast her?"
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And as you can see, she's extraordinary.
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Things are beginning to happen.
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Beth is very obsessive, full stop.
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Like, I think that is just something
that is intrinsic to her.
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Harry, it'll be check once the pawn moves
and the knight trades.
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-Can't you see that?
-No, I can't.
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-I can't find it that fast.
-Well, wish you could.
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When your brain works that quickly,
it can drive you a bit mad.
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But I also think that she is aware
that her gift makes her special.
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[woman 2] Sometimes, people find patterns
or meaning where there aren't any.
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What does that have to do with me?
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Well, creativity and psychosis
often go hand in hand.
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[camera clicks]
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I do think she's, like, consistently
worried that she's a bit crazy.
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{\an8}Beth has visions
of seeing a chess board on the ceiling.
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This is in the book.
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She looks up to the ceiling
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and imagines the position
and the places of the pieces.
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Did you ever go over games in your head?
I mean, play all the way through 'em?
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Doesn't everybody?
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The person that she feels closest to,
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I think, in terms of the way
that her brain works, is actually Benny.
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{\an8}There's a little bit of a reflection
in each other,
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{\an8}even though they're vastly different.
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But I think he enjoys
getting into mind games,
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into other people's heads,
and he sees that in Beth.
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-I don't know if I'm good enough.
-You're the best.
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His reassurance
kind of makes her feel a bit more calm.
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But I do think that she's juggling
a very fine line of, like,
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"Am I insane or am I a genius?"
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And I've been watching your games, you…
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You attack like Alekhine.
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You can reach for your best,
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but it only really matters
if other people see it as well.
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And I think Benny appreciates
Beth's talent when he sees it
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and finds that attractive from the get-go.
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[Frank] And action!
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[Frank] To make chess cinematic is…
is impossible.
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And I realized I want the chess
that we do show to be accurate enough,
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but I really am focusing
on the stakes around the games
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and the players themselves.
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Beth Harmon, in particular,
and the idea, for me,
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visually, was to get inside her.
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I found the strongest points is just being
on people's faces and their reaction.
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Even if you don't understand chess,
you know the seriousness
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and the drama that they're going through.
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-[chess clock ticking]
-I resign.
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[crew 2] Cut!
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-[crew 3] Cutting!
-[crew 4] And one.
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Steven Meizler is quite good at shaping
just very little light,
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and very natural light,
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and-and finding little spots
that create its own drama.
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Sweet dreams.
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The show really shifts along
with Beth's perspective.
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Every time I got to go onto a new set,
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I was always completely blown away
by the way that it looked.
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[thrilling orchestral music playing]
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[Frank] Uli Hanisch is a genius.
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I came to Berlin
because I wanted to work with him.
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But we've shot Mexico City here,
and Las Vegas,
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and Paris, Russia, pieces of New York,
and Lexington, Kentucky.
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Well, now.
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[chuckles]
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{\an8}What Beth does is traveling, uh,
and playing chess at tournaments,
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and so we have, like, hotel rooms,
airplanes, hotel lobbies, restaurants,
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ballroom kind of situation
for each tournament.
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So, it was our target to, um--
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-To repeat, but… [laughs]
-To repeat.
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-…make it different.
-Yeah, exactly.
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I asked for a pleasant room,
and I believe they gave me one.
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-[warm orchestral music playing]
-[Mrs. Wheatley laughs]
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This here is a pretty special location
in Berlin.
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It's the Haus Cumberland,
and we turned it into a hotel in Paris.
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What will you have, then,
for your one drink?
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Must be special if it is your only one.
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-[crew 5] Awesome.
-[crew 6] That's a cut.
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[Frank] For me, every set I would walk on
would be a fantastic place to shoot.
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The whole crew would come on the set,
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and you would hear 50 people, 100 people
oohing and aahing about these locations.
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Benny's apartment was interesting
because we shot the exterior in Toronto.
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[light switch clicks]
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[Frank] And then Uli designed
this basement apartment that was amazing,
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and, right away,
I started changing the scene
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because of so many good things in the set.
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-…what you thought.
-[Taylor-Joy] I love it. It's so good.
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The cinematography, the costumes,
the production design,
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they're all, for me,
part of the same thing.
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We spend a lot of time talking about
where Beth is at in the story.
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We had so much fun
coming up with the look for this
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because, again,
we got to grow up with Beth.
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{\an8}When I first read the script,
I had in my mind that Beth was a redhead.
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Funny enough, Anya also felt this.
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[Taylor-Joy] When I first read it,
I was like, "She needs to have red hair,
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because I want her to be
completely identifiable,
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even if she doesn't want to be,"
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and he had thought the exact same thing,
so we just started off on a good foot.
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It was all wigs. I couldn't--
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I was very happy
to dye my hair, but I just couldn't…
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There were days when we were going
between five different ages in a day,
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and that's just not possible
with your own hair.
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So, we had baby Beth, we had sexy kitten,
and we had glamour-puss.
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To sell the age,
the younger, the less makeup,
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and then you slowly add
very, very small adjustments
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until you start seeing her older.
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She basically gets more
of these eyelashes.
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So, her eyes become sexier.
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Wow.
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Thanks.
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Beth has a thing for flare,
as you can see in the show.
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She, um…
She likes the finer things in life.
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She-- She starts
to really, really like clothes.
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With the costume designer, with Gabriele,
her wardrobe is just amazing.
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She would have a pallet book
and all of the dresses,
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and the different wardrobe
that Beth would be wearing.
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But more than that,
we'd spend a lot of time
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talking about where Beth is at
in the story.
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{\an8}In the beginning,
Beth is always determined by other people,
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{\an8}by her mother or dresses in the orphanage,
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and later on, she is alone,
and she discovers more her body.
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She has power being feminine.
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[Frank] As we go forward, you know,
she's more and more glamorous.
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There's a point where she dresses up
like a pop musician
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that she sees on TV
for a brief period of time.
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She experienced that searching for cool
is difficult
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because the cool doesn't exist,
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and her search for cool is,
actually, her search for herself.
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[Frank] At the very end,
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when she's kind of finally comfortable
in the world of chess,
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Gabriele found this beautiful,
long, white coat,
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with this white hat from Moscow,
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and you realize
she looks like the white queen.
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[Taylor-Joy] What's fascinating
about watching her grow up is…
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she puts on
all of these different personas.
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Who the hell are you?
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It is incredibly sad,
because it's basically just saying
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that she just doesn't feel
like she's enough without them.
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You are very beautiful.
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-I don't see myself that way.
-Then you are blind.
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It's not a physical loneliness
that she's suffering from.
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It's an emotional and intellectual one.
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I think this is why the miniseries
is becoming more prominent,
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because you can explore these richer,
more complex stories.
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Having the opportunity
to spend time with Beth in this way,
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and not just see all of the wins,
but all of the hard work
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with the sacrifices
that it takes to get to the wins.
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I think, hopefully, that just builds
a lot of empathy for somebody who…
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I, selfishly, really, really care about.
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