1 00:00:11,636 --> 00:00:15,426 There was a boy across the street whose mother was so lazy that… 2 00:00:16,683 --> 00:00:18,893 he would-- he would eat ice cream for breakfast. 3 00:00:18,977 --> 00:00:22,057 -[Martin] Oh! -I would go to his house to go to school, 4 00:00:22,147 --> 00:00:24,607 and he would be sitting on the counter, something if I did… 5 00:00:24,691 --> 00:00:28,401 -Oh, you'd be-- Yes. [laughs] -…I would have been sent to prison. 6 00:00:28,486 --> 00:00:34,076 But, I mean, that household was, to me, like… like the Marquis de Sade. 7 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:36,119 There were children sitting on the counter. 8 00:00:36,202 --> 00:00:39,002 One time I walked in, and not only was he eating ice cream… 9 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:42,540 This is like seven o'clock in the morning. He's eating it, not with a spoon… 10 00:00:42,625 --> 00:00:44,955 First, out of the box, which was never allowed at my house. 11 00:00:45,045 --> 00:00:46,245 -Oh! -…with a pretzel! 12 00:00:46,337 --> 00:00:48,087 [laughs] 13 00:00:48,715 --> 00:00:51,675 And I thought, "These people. It's just unbelievable how they live." 14 00:00:55,388 --> 00:00:58,598 You and I discussed this backstage briefly. Could we-- 15 00:00:58,683 --> 00:01:00,353 -Smoke. -Could we smoke. 16 00:01:00,435 --> 00:01:01,935 -On stage. -And we can't. 17 00:01:02,020 --> 00:01:05,150 -We can't, because it's against the law. -It's against the law. 18 00:01:06,399 --> 00:01:09,069 ["Nicotine" by Jane Birkin playing] 19 00:01:34,260 --> 00:01:35,350 [Martin] Here we are. 20 00:01:36,387 --> 00:01:38,887 -[Martin] What do you think? This is it. -[Fran] It's fine. 21 00:01:38,973 --> 00:01:40,023 [Martin] Let's do it. 22 00:01:40,100 --> 00:01:41,270 [woman] Just… 23 00:01:41,351 --> 00:01:42,311 I'm sorry? 24 00:01:42,393 --> 00:01:45,483 -No. No hairspray, because my… -[Martin] You can't do it. 25 00:01:45,563 --> 00:01:47,403 -I can hardly breathe as it is. -[woman] Okay. 26 00:01:47,482 --> 00:01:48,692 -You might as well just… -Yeah. 27 00:01:48,775 --> 00:01:50,895 …suck on an exhaust pipe. -[Martin laughing] 28 00:01:50,985 --> 00:01:52,235 [chuckles] Right? No… 29 00:01:53,029 --> 00:01:55,199 I want the lung damage in my body 30 00:01:55,281 --> 00:01:56,871 -to be from smoking. -[Martin] Yeah, yeah. 31 00:01:58,701 --> 00:02:00,951 [Martin] Do you have a feeling about this philosophy 32 00:02:01,037 --> 00:02:04,667 of aerobics and exercise prolonging your life, and… 33 00:02:05,542 --> 00:02:08,292 Well, I guess… I mean… I don't have a philosophy about it. 34 00:02:08,378 --> 00:02:10,048 You know, I do… You know… 35 00:02:10,130 --> 00:02:14,430 Very few people used to exercise, when I was, like, a child or a kid. 36 00:02:14,509 --> 00:02:18,179 Um… People didn't used to exercise as a thing to do. 37 00:02:18,263 --> 00:02:20,143 -Mm-hmm. -People were certainly much more active. 38 00:02:20,223 --> 00:02:22,603 -There's no question. Children especially. -Yeah. 39 00:02:22,684 --> 00:02:26,154 Because we weren't even allowed to stay in the house, okay? 40 00:02:26,229 --> 00:02:27,229 -[laughs] -So-- And not-- 41 00:02:27,313 --> 00:02:29,523 -That was not peculiar to my household. -No. 42 00:02:29,607 --> 00:02:30,857 So that-- "Get out!" 43 00:02:31,609 --> 00:02:33,609 -[laughing] -You know? I mean, "Just get out!" 44 00:02:33,695 --> 00:02:37,025 And it wasn't because they thought we should have fresh air. 45 00:02:37,115 --> 00:02:40,365 They thought, "We don't wanna see you. Get out of the house." 46 00:02:40,451 --> 00:02:43,251 And so, you know, no one… "We don't wanna deal with you. 47 00:02:43,329 --> 00:02:45,369 We're not interested. Get out of the house." 48 00:02:45,456 --> 00:02:48,786 So we went out of the house and ran around and things children used to do. 49 00:02:48,877 --> 00:02:51,247 Now, I mean, people ate much less then. 50 00:02:51,337 --> 00:02:52,797 -Mmm. -That's another thing. 51 00:02:52,881 --> 00:02:55,091 And it was because people had to, like, make food. 52 00:02:55,175 --> 00:02:57,965 You know, there wasn't all this food already made. 53 00:02:58,052 --> 00:02:59,182 And, um… 54 00:02:59,679 --> 00:03:03,729 I think… Also, people didn't know that all these things were bad for you. 55 00:03:03,808 --> 00:03:08,058 I think maybe knowing that they're bad for you maybe makes them worse for you. 56 00:03:08,146 --> 00:03:11,516 But I mean, the-- my parents were, um… 57 00:03:12,025 --> 00:03:15,275 You know, they were, uh, first-generation Americans, 58 00:03:15,361 --> 00:03:17,781 and, you know, "Food, good." 59 00:03:17,864 --> 00:03:20,744 -[Martin laughs] -You know? Not, "Food, bad." 60 00:03:20,825 --> 00:03:22,735 -You know? "Meat, good." -"Good!" 61 00:03:22,827 --> 00:03:24,577 -"Butter, good." Um… -[laughing] 62 00:03:25,079 --> 00:03:27,289 Things that were considered bad for you were like candy. 63 00:03:27,373 --> 00:03:30,133 But bad for your teeth, you know? Um… 64 00:03:30,210 --> 00:03:33,380 I don't remember people talking about their health all the time. 65 00:03:33,463 --> 00:03:36,303 You know? I mean, people were worried about things like polio. 66 00:03:36,382 --> 00:03:37,842 -That was big-- -That was a big thing. 67 00:03:37,926 --> 00:03:40,926 Until the polio vaccine was invented when I was very little child. 68 00:03:41,012 --> 00:03:42,762 And that was like the greatest thing. 69 00:03:42,847 --> 00:03:46,557 When I was a child and when you were a child, which was even before… 70 00:03:46,643 --> 00:03:47,853 -Yes, that's right. -Yes? 71 00:03:47,936 --> 00:03:49,846 -All right? Okay? -Much, much before. 72 00:03:50,396 --> 00:03:52,516 -All children lived in-- -Smoke. 73 00:03:52,607 --> 00:03:54,857 -In a total fog of smoke. -Yeah, smoke. Yeah. 74 00:03:54,943 --> 00:03:57,823 -No, true. Everybody. -Okay? No one… And in my house… 75 00:03:57,904 --> 00:04:01,034 I mean, I had a mother who'd never open a window, 76 00:04:01,115 --> 00:04:02,525 [Martin laughs] 77 00:04:02,617 --> 00:04:07,157 Because she didn't want any of that outdoor air to get into the house. 78 00:04:07,247 --> 00:04:08,957 [audience and Martin laughing] 79 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,830 -That's right! -And-- So that you couldn't even see. 80 00:04:11,918 --> 00:04:14,168 -[applause] -All right? In the '50s. 81 00:04:14,254 --> 00:04:18,264 And we were in cars. Okay? We weren't allowed to open the windows in the cars. 82 00:04:18,341 --> 00:04:20,891 My father puffed on his pipe. My mother smoked cigarettes. 83 00:04:20,969 --> 00:04:23,219 So we sat, when we were little… 84 00:04:23,304 --> 00:04:26,564 -Now they have all these safety measures. -They have a lot of things. 85 00:04:26,641 --> 00:04:28,351 You can buckle kids in. It's like helmets. 86 00:04:28,434 --> 00:04:30,274 Oh yeah. They dress children like astronauts. 87 00:04:30,353 --> 00:04:32,523 -Yeah! -They bolt them into the back of the car. 88 00:04:32,605 --> 00:04:34,605 [laughter] 89 00:04:36,150 --> 00:04:38,860 Well… [chuckles] When we were little children… 90 00:04:39,696 --> 00:04:42,696 -[snorts] Yes. -…there were no seat belts in cars. 91 00:04:43,199 --> 00:04:45,289 We sat… Where did we sit? In the front seat, 92 00:04:45,368 --> 00:04:47,328 on the laps of our smoking mothers. 93 00:04:47,412 --> 00:04:49,042 [laughter and applause] 94 00:04:50,039 --> 00:04:53,749 [Fran] I am addicted to cigarettes. It's an addiction. I know what an addiction is. 95 00:04:53,835 --> 00:04:55,245 Is it smart to smoke cigarettes? 96 00:04:55,336 --> 00:04:58,256 -It's idiotic! I know that. Okay? -[Martin laughs] 97 00:04:58,339 --> 00:05:01,429 Uh-- You know, people will yell at me all the time, and I always say, 98 00:05:01,926 --> 00:05:04,096 "Smoking is bad for you. I know. I heard." 99 00:05:04,178 --> 00:05:05,638 There's certain things like, 100 00:05:05,722 --> 00:05:09,562 okay, maybe we didn't realize it was bad for you to eat a lot of steak. 101 00:05:09,642 --> 00:05:13,232 You know? I mean, I understand why people didn't realize that. 102 00:05:13,313 --> 00:05:16,523 You know, especially people deprived of meat for so many generations. 103 00:05:16,607 --> 00:05:17,937 -[chuckles] -But, you know, 104 00:05:19,777 --> 00:05:21,567 breathing smoke into your lungs, 105 00:05:22,113 --> 00:05:25,873 like, how did no one ever, like, think, "You know, probably not the best idea"? 106 00:05:25,950 --> 00:05:27,910 -But people apparently didn't. -Yeah. Really-- 107 00:05:27,994 --> 00:05:31,464 They really, I mean, made you believe that there were safe cigarettes. 108 00:05:31,539 --> 00:05:32,869 -Yeah. Safe cigarettes. -Really. 109 00:05:32,957 --> 00:05:35,497 I remember my pediatrician, as a child. 110 00:05:35,585 --> 00:05:37,705 I remember going into his office. 111 00:05:37,795 --> 00:05:40,505 There was a giant ashtray on the desk of the doctor. 112 00:05:40,590 --> 00:05:42,010 And he would be smoking. 113 00:05:42,091 --> 00:05:45,301 Then after they gave you a horrible shot, the doctor would give you candy. 114 00:05:45,386 --> 00:05:46,216 Yeah. 115 00:05:46,304 --> 00:05:49,394 I would have no idea, as a six- or seven-year-old child, 116 00:05:49,474 --> 00:05:51,984 that smoking could be bad for you, or that candy was bad for you, 117 00:05:52,060 --> 00:05:55,020 'cause that's what they gave you after they gave you a shot, so-- 118 00:05:55,104 --> 00:05:56,024 Um… 119 00:05:56,105 --> 00:06:00,225 So if hadn't started smoking at 12, I would not start smoking now, obviously. 120 00:06:00,318 --> 00:06:04,108 Um, but I know what it is to be addicted to something, you know, 121 00:06:04,197 --> 00:06:10,497 and I know that no one becomes addicted to something with that as the goal. 122 00:06:10,995 --> 00:06:12,995 [upbeat '50s music playing] 123 00:06:16,626 --> 00:06:19,586 [man] And here is the aptly titled "Butterfly Machine." 124 00:06:19,670 --> 00:06:23,470 The girl is now at the chrysalis stage, but as more weight is put on underneath, 125 00:06:23,549 --> 00:06:27,509 the wings become increasingly difficult to lift, as any butterfly will tell you. 126 00:06:29,931 --> 00:06:34,311 Your bad habits can kill you. I've seen that. But your good habits won't save you. 127 00:06:34,811 --> 00:06:39,571 You could have fantastically good habits, you know, and then… I can think of… 128 00:06:39,649 --> 00:06:42,439 I'm not gonna say who it was, but I had a friend, you know, 129 00:06:42,527 --> 00:06:44,987 who was one of the few people around my age 130 00:06:45,071 --> 00:06:46,781 who never smoked, never drank, 131 00:06:46,864 --> 00:06:49,374 and was always yelling at me for doing these things. 132 00:06:49,450 --> 00:06:52,370 Her whole life, she ate, you know, broccoli and asparagus 133 00:06:52,453 --> 00:06:54,003 and drank water and ran 134 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:55,460 and died of a brain tumor 135 00:06:55,540 --> 00:06:56,540 -in her early 50s. -Oh. 136 00:06:57,125 --> 00:07:00,795 And by the way, I mean, my mother just died, and she was almost 92. 137 00:07:00,878 --> 00:07:04,088 So, you know, this way of life, you know, didn't kill you. 138 00:07:04,173 --> 00:07:07,393 Even if I drop dead tomorrow, no one will say, "She was so young." 139 00:07:07,885 --> 00:07:09,755 -[chuckles] -I am too old to die young. 140 00:07:09,846 --> 00:07:13,886 If I die of smoking, if I die now, everyone would say, "What did you expect?" 141 00:07:13,975 --> 00:07:16,265 If-- People are already annoyed I'm still alive. 142 00:07:16,352 --> 00:07:17,942 -I know that, okay? -[laughing] 143 00:07:18,020 --> 00:07:21,940 But, you know, now we have something that I really cannot tolerate. 144 00:07:22,024 --> 00:07:23,444 -What? -Wellness. 145 00:07:23,526 --> 00:07:25,946 -Oh yes. -Okay? Wellness. 146 00:07:26,028 --> 00:07:28,698 I mean, it's in every newspaper, every magazine. 147 00:07:28,781 --> 00:07:32,661 There are, like, wellness spas and wellness this and wellness that. 148 00:07:32,743 --> 00:07:36,003 We didn't used to have wellness. And I think, "What is wellness?" 149 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:37,750 It's like extra health. 150 00:07:38,833 --> 00:07:42,633 Wellness, to me, is a greediness. 151 00:07:42,712 --> 00:07:46,302 It's not enough for me that I'm not sick. I have to be well. 152 00:07:46,966 --> 00:07:49,176 -This is something you can buy. -[chuckles] 153 00:07:49,260 --> 00:07:52,180 Okay? This wellness, you can buy it. You have to buy it, you know. 154 00:07:52,263 --> 00:07:54,313 And there's special wellness foods, 155 00:07:54,390 --> 00:07:55,770 -you know, um… -Mm-hmm. 156 00:07:55,850 --> 00:07:59,020 …that are like, I don't know, seeds and teas and all this kind of stuff. 157 00:07:59,103 --> 00:08:02,983 Drinks, smoothies, juices. You know, all this kind of stuff. 158 00:08:03,065 --> 00:08:07,275 All the things that people seem to seek from wellness, I wouldn't want them. 159 00:08:07,778 --> 00:08:09,068 No, thank you. 160 00:08:09,155 --> 00:08:10,815 Okay? No, thank you. 161 00:08:10,907 --> 00:08:15,657 I don't want to be, um… I know meditation is part of well. Yoga. 162 00:08:15,745 --> 00:08:17,995 You know, about one third of the people in the street 163 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:19,710 in New York City have a yoga mat. 164 00:08:19,790 --> 00:08:20,790 -[chuckles] Yeah. -Okay? 165 00:08:20,875 --> 00:08:23,085 -That alone would keep me from yoga. -[laughs] 166 00:08:23,169 --> 00:08:27,969 That alone. Carrying around, like, a little rolled-up rug… 167 00:08:28,049 --> 00:08:29,929 -Yeah, no, that's… -…is really… 168 00:08:30,009 --> 00:08:33,759 You know, New York used to be much more fashionable than that. 169 00:08:33,846 --> 00:08:36,056 I don't like to see people walking around with these rugs. 170 00:08:36,140 --> 00:08:37,560 -No, it's terrible. -It's terrible. 171 00:08:37,642 --> 00:08:40,772 I mean, the last time I had a rug, I was in kindergarten. 172 00:08:40,853 --> 00:08:42,863 -[laughs] -We had to bring one to school, 173 00:08:42,939 --> 00:08:44,399 because we had to nap on the floor. 174 00:08:44,482 --> 00:08:47,742 This idea of, like, wellness, I think, must be a California idea. 175 00:08:47,818 --> 00:08:50,448 Um, it's just like in San Francisco, 176 00:08:50,530 --> 00:08:52,780 or, what they call, something, I mean, Silicon Valley. 177 00:08:52,865 --> 00:08:55,905 These kind of tech people are very concerned with their health, 178 00:08:55,993 --> 00:08:58,543 -but not with your life. Um… -[laughs] 179 00:08:58,621 --> 00:09:03,081 They are, um, the ones who are really rich, um… 180 00:09:03,626 --> 00:09:06,586 They're, like, making all these efforts to live forever. 181 00:09:07,213 --> 00:09:09,763 -Mmm. -And this is very important to them. Um… 182 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,430 And they have, I mean, I'm sure special foods and exercise 183 00:09:13,511 --> 00:09:14,851 and all this kind of stuff, um, 184 00:09:14,929 --> 00:09:16,599 but they also think the world is ending. 185 00:09:16,681 --> 00:09:20,101 They have, like… You have to have your own air, your own water. 186 00:09:20,184 --> 00:09:24,944 I-- If there's a big disaster, I don't wanna be one of the last people alive. 187 00:09:25,022 --> 00:09:26,822 Why would I want to be? 188 00:09:26,899 --> 00:09:28,859 I… I don't understand people who do. 189 00:09:28,943 --> 00:09:32,823 But when I was a child and very worried about, um, nuclear war… 190 00:09:32,905 --> 00:09:34,615 -Mmm. -…um, I was really worried. 191 00:09:34,699 --> 00:09:35,529 -Yeah. -You know? 192 00:09:35,616 --> 00:09:37,656 Because I really didn't-- I really wanted to live, 193 00:09:37,743 --> 00:09:39,833 -'cause I was seven. -[laughs] 194 00:09:39,912 --> 00:09:43,292 So-- But I'm not seven, and so I don't wanna die, 195 00:09:43,374 --> 00:09:45,924 but if I did, it wouldn't be a tragedy. 196 00:09:46,002 --> 00:09:48,632 I'm not seven. And I certainly don't wanna be alive 197 00:09:48,713 --> 00:09:51,883 with the people who, like, saved up all these seeds and everything, 198 00:09:51,966 --> 00:09:54,676 because these are not people I wanna spend time with. 199 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,180 If I don't wanna spend time with them now, why would I-- 200 00:09:57,263 --> 00:09:59,223 -Yeah! [laughs] -When there's other things to do 201 00:09:59,307 --> 00:10:00,637 and everything's still intact, 202 00:10:00,725 --> 00:10:02,725 why would I wanna spend time with them after? 203 00:10:02,810 --> 00:10:06,360 ♪ There was a turtle by the name of Bert ♪ 204 00:10:06,439 --> 00:10:09,689 ♪ And Bert the turtle was very alert ♪ 205 00:10:09,775 --> 00:10:12,695 ♪ When danger threatened him He never got hurt ♪ 206 00:10:12,778 --> 00:10:15,948 ♪ He knew just what to do ♪ 207 00:10:16,032 --> 00:10:16,912 ♪ He'd duck ♪ 208 00:10:17,617 --> 00:10:18,907 ♪ And cover ♪ 209 00:10:19,535 --> 00:10:21,155 Remember what to do, friends. 210 00:10:21,245 --> 00:10:25,495 Now tell me right out loud. What are you supposed to do when you see the flash? 211 00:10:25,583 --> 00:10:28,593 [children] Duck and cover. 212 00:10:29,337 --> 00:10:32,627 I don't know what children buy. What they're allowed to buy, of course. 213 00:10:32,715 --> 00:10:36,215 I mean, I bought a little boy some candy for Valentine's Day, 214 00:10:36,302 --> 00:10:38,472 and his parents acted like I gave him a gun. 215 00:10:38,554 --> 00:10:40,314 -[Martin chuckles] -Like-- [laughs] 216 00:10:40,389 --> 00:10:43,519 I said, "Is he allowed to have candy?" "Mmm, not really." 217 00:10:44,018 --> 00:10:45,898 I had already handed it to the kid, 218 00:10:45,978 --> 00:10:50,068 who was like-- couldn't believe this was happening to him, you know? 219 00:10:50,149 --> 00:10:52,939 "This is my favorite!" he said, before he even opened it. 220 00:10:53,027 --> 00:10:54,777 Um, I said, "It's so small." 221 00:10:54,862 --> 00:10:56,952 I wanted to buy the big, giant box, 222 00:10:57,031 --> 00:10:59,491 -but I thought, "They're gonna be upset." -Mmm. 223 00:10:59,575 --> 00:11:02,995 So, uh, and then the mother of this child said to me, 224 00:11:03,079 --> 00:11:05,539 "Were you allowed to have candy when you were a child?" 225 00:11:05,623 --> 00:11:08,213 -Mm-hmm. -She's obviously older than her son, 226 00:11:08,292 --> 00:11:10,092 but still vastly younger than me. 227 00:11:10,169 --> 00:11:13,959 I said, "We were." She said, "Didn't they know it was bad for you?" 228 00:11:14,674 --> 00:11:17,014 I said, "They thought it was bad for your teeth." 229 00:11:17,093 --> 00:11:18,643 -Candy was bad for your teeth. -Right. 230 00:11:18,719 --> 00:11:22,389 I said, um, "They didn't really think that all these things 231 00:11:22,473 --> 00:11:25,023 that may or may not be bad for you were that bad for you." 232 00:11:25,101 --> 00:11:28,021 I mean, they didn't really, um, 233 00:11:28,646 --> 00:11:30,766 they weren't that interested in our health. 234 00:11:30,856 --> 00:11:34,276 You know, they took you to the doctor. They told you not to eat candy. 235 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,200 My father used to scream at me because I had so many cavities, 236 00:11:37,279 --> 00:11:39,069 -and it was expensive, you know? -[laughs] 237 00:11:39,156 --> 00:11:43,986 Um, but other than that, they told you, "Yes, you have to eat your string beans." 238 00:11:44,078 --> 00:11:47,418 But, I mean, it wasn't… I mean, they weren't that obsessed with it. 239 00:11:47,498 --> 00:11:50,168 Children now, as you know, are not very strictly brought up, 240 00:11:50,251 --> 00:11:54,761 um, except that they are deprived of many, many things, because it is bad for them. 241 00:11:55,381 --> 00:11:58,721 Or for the environment. Children will tell you something's bad for the environment. 242 00:11:59,218 --> 00:12:03,508 There's a… Well, she's now a woman. I mean, she now has a child. Um, 243 00:12:03,597 --> 00:12:06,177 but she was… she lived in San Francisco. 244 00:12:06,267 --> 00:12:08,097 So when she was three years old, this girl, 245 00:12:08,185 --> 00:12:10,895 -who now is probably 33 years old, um… -Mm-hmm. 246 00:12:10,980 --> 00:12:14,900 She said something to me. I was annoyed, and I said, "You're just a little girl," 247 00:12:15,401 --> 00:12:18,781 which was said to me 400 times a day when I was a child. 248 00:12:18,863 --> 00:12:22,493 And she said, "I'm a woman." She was, like, three years old. 249 00:12:22,575 --> 00:12:24,115 I said, "You're not a woman." 250 00:12:24,201 --> 00:12:26,291 -[laughs] -"You are not a woman." 251 00:12:26,370 --> 00:12:28,250 -Now, you can't say that to anyone. -No. 252 00:12:28,330 --> 00:12:30,580 If someone says, "I'm a woman," you're a woman, okay? 253 00:12:30,666 --> 00:12:34,336 You can be a three-year-old girl, a 70-year-old man, you could be a giraffe. 254 00:12:34,420 --> 00:12:35,710 You're a woman? You're a woman. 255 00:12:36,297 --> 00:12:40,127 Have you ever gone into therapy or self-help or any of that sort of thing? 256 00:12:40,217 --> 00:12:41,927 No, no. I've gone to self-help, 257 00:12:42,011 --> 00:12:43,721 -which, to me, is working. -Mm-hmm. 258 00:12:43,804 --> 00:12:47,854 But anywhere people with, uh, similar disturbances get together for help? 259 00:12:47,933 --> 00:12:50,733 Unfortunately, there are no people with similar disturbances. 260 00:12:50,811 --> 00:12:52,481 -I haven't been able to form a group. -Yeah. 261 00:12:52,563 --> 00:12:54,983 You know, since I guess my main, um… One… 262 00:12:55,065 --> 00:12:58,275 I have two main activities in life. Smoking and plotting revenge. 263 00:12:58,360 --> 00:12:59,700 [laughter] 264 00:12:59,779 --> 00:13:01,279 -You don't really need a group. -No. 265 00:13:01,363 --> 00:13:02,743 -I can plot by myself. -Uh-huh. 266 00:13:02,823 --> 00:13:04,333 Sometimes, I use the phone. 267 00:13:04,408 --> 00:13:05,408 -[David] Yeah. -[Fran] Um… 268 00:13:05,493 --> 00:13:07,373 [David] But smoking is then, I guess, your-- 269 00:13:07,453 --> 00:13:09,213 -[Fran] It's my hobby. -[David] That's great. 270 00:13:09,288 --> 00:13:11,708 -[Fran] If not my profession. -[David laughs] 271 00:13:11,791 --> 00:13:14,841 We now live in an era where cigarettes are horrible for you. 272 00:13:14,919 --> 00:13:16,459 That's been, like, for 30 years. 273 00:13:17,046 --> 00:13:20,046 Marijuana's good for you. Now, marijuana's good for you. 274 00:13:20,633 --> 00:13:21,883 Marijuana used to be… 275 00:13:22,468 --> 00:13:26,928 When I say "used to be," I mean within the living memory of a nine-year-old! 276 00:13:27,014 --> 00:13:28,184 -[Martin laughs] -Forget me. 277 00:13:28,265 --> 00:13:34,555 It used to be a horrible thing that would lead to a life of desperate degradation. 278 00:13:35,439 --> 00:13:36,859 Now it's a wonderful thing. 279 00:13:36,941 --> 00:13:40,191 -It's curative. Yeah. Curative. -It's a wonderful thing. 280 00:13:40,277 --> 00:13:42,447 It's-- They put it in jelly beans! 281 00:13:42,530 --> 00:13:43,610 [Martin laughs] 282 00:13:43,697 --> 00:13:46,077 Like there are… Some-- People have shown me, 283 00:13:46,158 --> 00:13:47,868 "Look at this. It's like a jelly bean." 284 00:13:47,952 --> 00:13:49,952 -Or a gummy bear or whatever you call it. -Lollipop. 285 00:13:50,037 --> 00:13:51,367 -Yeah, it's a lollipop. -Yeah. 286 00:13:51,455 --> 00:13:54,915 These are things children eat, you know? Um… [clears throat] 287 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:56,920 Now they won't let children have real lollipops, 288 00:13:57,002 --> 00:13:59,092 but the mother has a lollipop with marijuana. 289 00:13:59,171 --> 00:14:01,301 -[laughs] With marijuana! -It's like… With marijuana. 290 00:14:01,382 --> 00:14:03,882 So it's like, you know, I smoked marijuana when I was young. 291 00:14:03,968 --> 00:14:06,298 I didn't particularly… I didn't ever really like it. 292 00:14:06,387 --> 00:14:09,557 I don't like the smell of it. Now, people don't smoke it as much. 293 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:13,270 I mean, they smoke it, but they also take these other things, candies or whatever. 294 00:14:13,352 --> 00:14:17,692 I never really-- That's not the feeling I was ever, um, seeking, 295 00:14:17,773 --> 00:14:22,113 was that feeling of kind of, that kind of light happiness. 296 00:14:22,194 --> 00:14:24,914 Okay? That's not for me. No light happiness for me. 297 00:14:24,989 --> 00:14:26,199 -Yeah! -[laughs] Um… 298 00:14:26,282 --> 00:14:28,372 But I will tell you, in case anyone's interested, 299 00:14:28,450 --> 00:14:33,120 I do have friends who are around my age or even older, um… 300 00:14:33,205 --> 00:14:38,585 who I know to have been daily marijuana smokers for 50 years. 301 00:14:39,211 --> 00:14:41,261 These are not the most acute people on the planet. 302 00:14:41,338 --> 00:14:43,878 -Mmm. [laughs] -Okay? Let me assure you 303 00:14:43,966 --> 00:14:47,216 that there is an aggregate effect, okay? 304 00:14:47,303 --> 00:14:49,513 Because I knew them maybe when they started, okay? 305 00:14:49,597 --> 00:14:53,477 So, you know, they're not, like, dangerous people, you know, 306 00:14:53,559 --> 00:14:57,059 but they're not maybe the people you would consult anymore. 307 00:14:57,146 --> 00:15:00,726 You might say, like… Like, sometimes I think, "My God, what happened to him?" 308 00:15:00,816 --> 00:15:03,236 Then I realize, "Well, he…" And I've even said to people, 309 00:15:03,319 --> 00:15:04,899 "So and so, I asked him something." 310 00:15:04,987 --> 00:15:07,947 -"He was so vague. What happened to him?" -[laughs] 311 00:15:08,032 --> 00:15:11,162 And she goes, "He's a pothead!" And I said, "I forgot." 312 00:15:11,243 --> 00:15:14,413 If I was in charge I would say, "Marijuana, people like it. It's fun." 313 00:15:14,496 --> 00:15:16,116 "Let them have it. What do I care?" 314 00:15:16,999 --> 00:15:18,959 -[man] Do we want to take five? -[Martin] Sure. 315 00:15:19,043 --> 00:15:20,343 -[man] You okay? -Yeah. 316 00:15:20,419 --> 00:15:23,549 -[man] You wanna take a minute to, uh… -Yes. I wanna smoke. 317 00:15:29,553 --> 00:15:31,473 [Fran] Girls, when I was a little girl, 318 00:15:31,555 --> 00:15:34,725 you know, did things like play jacks and hopscotch and jump rope. 319 00:15:34,808 --> 00:15:36,308 I'm sure they don't do it anymore. 320 00:15:37,227 --> 00:15:38,687 [girl chants] Dee-Dee tagged in! 321 00:15:39,605 --> 00:15:41,105 Dee-Dee tagged in! 322 00:15:42,024 --> 00:15:43,484 [all chant] One, two, three, four. 323 00:15:43,567 --> 00:15:46,777 But it would have meant that, if women were running the world, 324 00:15:46,862 --> 00:15:50,622 that when women my age got to that age, there'd be professional jacks. 325 00:15:50,699 --> 00:15:51,699 -[laughs] -It's just like… 326 00:15:51,784 --> 00:15:54,584 And if you say, like, jacks or hopscotch, 327 00:15:54,662 --> 00:15:57,582 they seem silly to men, but they're the same! 328 00:15:57,665 --> 00:15:59,625 They're games! These are games. 329 00:15:59,708 --> 00:16:02,458 A football game is a game. It's a game. 330 00:16:02,544 --> 00:16:07,884 [commentator] And Reggie Miller in an animated discussion with Spike Lee, 331 00:16:07,967 --> 00:16:11,387 who is an ardent Knick fan and has a courtside seat. 332 00:16:11,470 --> 00:16:13,390 I think Spike has him revved up. 333 00:16:13,889 --> 00:16:16,479 Spike is appealing to the official, Dan Crawford. 334 00:16:16,558 --> 00:16:19,308 I don't think that Spike realizes he's not in the game. 335 00:16:19,395 --> 00:16:20,645 [man] What about Spike Lee? 336 00:16:21,271 --> 00:16:22,941 -Spike who? -[laughs] 337 00:16:23,023 --> 00:16:24,573 -We will see you on Friday. -All right. 338 00:16:24,650 --> 00:16:26,030 [Ahmad] Good luck to you. 339 00:16:27,111 --> 00:16:28,201 [Spike Lee] You like sports? 340 00:16:28,278 --> 00:16:30,198 -I do not like sports. In-- -So let me-- 341 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,450 -In fact, I have to say I hate sports. -So-- 342 00:16:32,533 --> 00:16:33,413 Let-- You hate sports? 343 00:16:33,492 --> 00:16:35,412 -Let me ask you a question. -Yes? 344 00:16:35,995 --> 00:16:37,905 Kobe or LeBron? 345 00:16:37,997 --> 00:16:39,827 [laughter] 346 00:16:39,915 --> 00:16:41,785 The only reason I know who these people are… 347 00:16:41,875 --> 00:16:42,875 [both laugh] 348 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,340 …is because I have a very close friend who loves sports. 349 00:16:45,421 --> 00:16:48,091 Otherwise, I… I might not know either one. 350 00:16:48,173 --> 00:16:50,803 But I have no, uh, preference between them. 351 00:16:50,884 --> 00:16:53,104 -New York Giants, New York Jets? -No preference. 352 00:16:53,178 --> 00:16:55,968 -I have no sports preference. -Rangers, Islanders, or the Devils? 353 00:16:56,056 --> 00:16:59,176 Believe me when I tell you that I hate sports. 354 00:16:59,852 --> 00:17:02,352 So, what do you when it's Super Bowl, on Super Bowl day? 355 00:17:02,938 --> 00:17:05,068 Um, it's a very good day to go to a restaurant. 356 00:17:05,149 --> 00:17:06,399 -[laughter] -Okay? 357 00:17:06,483 --> 00:17:08,323 [Spike laughing] 358 00:17:08,902 --> 00:17:12,242 [Fran] First of all, things like theaters where the New York City Ballet performs 359 00:17:12,322 --> 00:17:14,872 or the Opera House or what used to be called 360 00:17:14,950 --> 00:17:16,790 -Philharmonic Hall, you know. -[Martin] Yeah. 361 00:17:16,869 --> 00:17:20,459 These are things that are important to the city even if you don't go. 362 00:17:21,123 --> 00:17:23,253 You know, there's this idea now that 363 00:17:24,126 --> 00:17:26,916 this should only be supported by the people who use it. 364 00:17:27,004 --> 00:17:29,884 There's no idea like this about, say, football stadiums. 365 00:17:29,965 --> 00:17:31,585 Okay, football stadiums… 366 00:17:31,675 --> 00:17:34,885 Which, let me assure you, if you hear I'm at a football stadium, 367 00:17:34,970 --> 00:17:37,140 you can imagine they're rounding people up, 368 00:17:37,222 --> 00:17:39,062 and they've put me in with a gun to my head, 369 00:17:39,141 --> 00:17:41,061 because otherwise, I'm not in a football stadium. 370 00:17:41,143 --> 00:17:46,153 Football stadiums, you know, are routinely paid for by people who live in the city, 371 00:17:46,231 --> 00:17:47,981 by which I mean these huge tax abatements 372 00:17:48,067 --> 00:17:50,357 and, "Yes, we'll give you money, because we…" 373 00:17:50,444 --> 00:17:52,654 They'll say, "Don't we wanna have a football team?" 374 00:17:52,738 --> 00:17:54,068 -Not me. -[laughs] 375 00:17:54,156 --> 00:17:57,866 I don't want a football team. Uh… I didn't wanna have one in high school. 376 00:17:57,951 --> 00:18:01,211 I don't want one now. I certainly don't wanna pay for a football team. No. 377 00:18:01,288 --> 00:18:02,498 I don't wanna pay for one. 378 00:18:02,581 --> 00:18:04,251 Why do you hate sports? 379 00:18:04,333 --> 00:18:09,003 You know, to me, this seems like, uh, a kind of appropriate thing 380 00:18:09,088 --> 00:18:11,418 for, like, a seven-year-old child, you know? 381 00:18:11,507 --> 00:18:12,377 Oh! Wait a minute! 382 00:18:12,466 --> 00:18:13,466 -All right? -[laughter] 383 00:18:13,550 --> 00:18:15,720 So… so if you're an adult, 384 00:18:15,803 --> 00:18:19,723 then you do not paint your face and wear a jersey and all that stuff? 385 00:18:19,807 --> 00:18:22,937 -The face paint. That's really attractive. -I don't do that. I don't do that! 386 00:18:23,018 --> 00:18:24,478 Here's the thing I'm always shocked. 387 00:18:24,561 --> 00:18:28,361 You see these people in the streets. They're screaming, "We won! We won!" 388 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,650 And I'm always thinking, "Who's we?" They won. 389 00:18:31,735 --> 00:18:34,145 You lay on the sofa, drinking beer. Okay? 390 00:18:34,238 --> 00:18:36,118 -So-- -But that's the great thing about sports. 391 00:18:36,198 --> 00:18:38,408 You identify with a team. 392 00:18:38,492 --> 00:18:40,702 Yeah, which is a business. 393 00:18:40,786 --> 00:18:45,206 You never see people in the street going, "Yay! Coke won! Coke won! Pepsi lost!" 394 00:18:45,833 --> 00:18:48,633 How they got you to do this, I'd like to know that. 395 00:18:49,128 --> 00:18:50,128 -You hate sports! -Yes. 396 00:18:50,212 --> 00:18:54,172 But the reason sports are so central is because men are in charge. 397 00:18:54,258 --> 00:18:55,628 Okay? That is the reason. 398 00:18:55,717 --> 00:18:58,137 -So-- -Men in charge of the world. So-- 399 00:18:58,220 --> 00:19:00,350 That is correct. So because they love sports… 400 00:19:00,430 --> 00:19:02,770 Let me ask. If women were in charge of the world, 401 00:19:02,850 --> 00:19:05,190 do you think there would be professional hopscotch? 402 00:19:05,269 --> 00:19:09,109 I once said at a dinner party, when all these guys, who are all artists, 403 00:19:09,189 --> 00:19:12,529 and all very well-known artists, they were talking about baseball. 404 00:19:12,609 --> 00:19:14,279 I said, "I don't understand something." 405 00:19:14,361 --> 00:19:19,991 "Does every, uh, man alive think, when they were a kid, 406 00:19:20,075 --> 00:19:22,365 they were gonna be a professional baseball player?" 407 00:19:22,452 --> 00:19:25,252 And this guy said, "Every man I would like did." 408 00:19:26,206 --> 00:19:29,586 You come from a different era. Today, women wanna play sports, 409 00:19:29,668 --> 00:19:31,918 and women are playing all types of sports. 410 00:19:32,004 --> 00:19:33,134 -I know. -And they wanna play. 411 00:19:33,213 --> 00:19:34,593 -I know. This is one reason… -So-- 412 00:19:34,673 --> 00:19:36,343 -…I'm glad I'm not a girl now. -Why? 413 00:19:36,425 --> 00:19:39,295 Because when I was in school, girls didn't have to play football. 414 00:19:39,386 --> 00:19:42,506 Girls didn't have to play sports, and that was the upside of being a girl. 415 00:19:42,598 --> 00:19:44,848 -Okay? So now girls have to-- -But they-- It's not they-- 416 00:19:44,933 --> 00:19:46,143 They-- It's not they have to. 417 00:19:46,226 --> 00:19:48,346 -They wanna play. -Yes, but we did not. 418 00:19:48,437 --> 00:19:49,517 -[laughter] -Okay? 419 00:19:49,605 --> 00:19:52,765 -We didn't want to, and we didn't have to. -And the world has evolved. 420 00:19:52,858 --> 00:19:53,858 Yes. In that way. 421 00:19:53,942 --> 00:19:57,822 I would prefer there be more women in Congress and fewer playing football, but… 422 00:19:57,905 --> 00:20:00,025 [laughter] 423 00:20:30,312 --> 00:20:32,612 [Fran] Many things that people do, especially now, 424 00:20:32,689 --> 00:20:34,479 -on so-called vacations… -[Martin] Yeah. 425 00:20:34,566 --> 00:20:37,316 …are things they used to make people do if you were a prisoner of war. 426 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:39,700 Like, I'm reading all the time, 427 00:20:39,780 --> 00:20:42,990 -in the Times' travel section, a vacation… -[Martin] Climbing and jumping. 428 00:20:43,075 --> 00:20:46,695 …where you can climb a mountain tied up with other people. 429 00:20:46,787 --> 00:20:48,327 -[laughs] -You're on top of the mountain. 430 00:20:48,413 --> 00:20:50,083 When you're there, you can jump off and… 431 00:20:50,165 --> 00:20:52,995 This is a vacation that costs 15 grand a person. 432 00:20:53,085 --> 00:20:56,875 And I think, this really, to me, it looks like the Bataan Death March. 433 00:20:56,964 --> 00:21:00,224 At the end of the Bataan Death March, if anyone was alive, did they say, 434 00:21:00,300 --> 00:21:03,640 "By the way, you owe me 15 grand, because that was a great experience"? 435 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,220 I think, "Why do people do these things?" 436 00:21:06,306 --> 00:21:08,676 -People wanna challenge themselves. -Yeah. Oh, yeah. 437 00:21:08,767 --> 00:21:11,517 You know. This is a big thing that people say all the time. 438 00:21:11,603 --> 00:21:12,983 "I wanna challenge myself." 439 00:21:13,063 --> 00:21:14,693 These challenges are fake. 440 00:21:14,773 --> 00:21:18,943 Climbing a mountain is a fake challenge. You don't have to climb a mountain. Okay? 441 00:21:19,027 --> 00:21:22,607 There are many things that people have to do and should do that they don't do 442 00:21:22,698 --> 00:21:25,658 because they're scared to do or they're hard to do or they're bad at it. 443 00:21:25,742 --> 00:21:27,082 Those are challenges. 444 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,790 A challenge is something you have to do. Not something you make up. 445 00:21:30,872 --> 00:21:33,252 You know, like, people do all these kind of, 446 00:21:33,333 --> 00:21:35,173 what used to be called "extreme things." 447 00:21:35,252 --> 00:21:38,382 Now, many people participate in them. "I wanted to challenge myself." 448 00:21:38,463 --> 00:21:42,433 I always think, "What kind of life do you have?" 449 00:21:42,926 --> 00:21:44,716 I find real life challenging enough. 450 00:21:45,220 --> 00:21:48,350 I'm telling you something, if I get to the dry cleaners 451 00:21:48,432 --> 00:21:50,602 -without having a huge fight… -[laughing] 452 00:21:50,684 --> 00:21:54,064 …you know, and even get the clothes there and get them back 453 00:21:54,146 --> 00:21:55,686 without, like, you know, yelling, 454 00:21:55,772 --> 00:21:57,022 -"I'm gonna sue you!" -Oh! 455 00:21:57,107 --> 00:22:00,937 You know? Or having someone threaten me, that's challenge enough. 456 00:22:01,028 --> 00:22:02,608 -Yeah. -I always think, "Really?" 457 00:22:02,696 --> 00:22:05,656 Real life has always been challenging enough to me. 458 00:22:05,741 --> 00:22:11,081 I do not need to seek out, um, these completely fantastical challenges. 459 00:22:11,163 --> 00:22:13,673 I have a tremendous fear of being physically hurt. 460 00:22:13,749 --> 00:22:15,629 And so… And I always have. 461 00:22:15,709 --> 00:22:18,419 So, I avoid activities 462 00:22:18,503 --> 00:22:20,803 where there's a very high chance of being physically hurt, 463 00:22:20,881 --> 00:22:23,051 which is any activity that requires a helmet. 464 00:22:23,133 --> 00:22:25,473 -[chuckling] A helmet! -Okay? 465 00:22:26,386 --> 00:22:28,556 [narrator] Well, the boys have pitched their tents, 466 00:22:28,638 --> 00:22:30,718 and they're preparing to do some fishing. 467 00:22:32,601 --> 00:22:36,101 Boating, fishing, swimming and every other kind of water sport 468 00:22:36,188 --> 00:22:37,768 are open to all campers. 469 00:22:37,856 --> 00:22:41,856 And here, at least, a wife's place need not be at home. 470 00:22:44,154 --> 00:22:48,454 [Fran] There's a place called Lake Powell. It's huge. It's an artificial lake. 471 00:22:48,533 --> 00:22:52,083 And the lake was stocked with millions of fish so that people could fish. 472 00:22:52,162 --> 00:22:55,252 Apparently, this is where many people went for an experience of nature. 473 00:22:55,332 --> 00:22:56,252 -Um… -[Martin laughs] 474 00:22:56,333 --> 00:22:59,343 [Fran] So I went there, and I was on this houseboat that this guy got. 475 00:22:59,419 --> 00:23:02,209 In order to fish there, you have to get a fishing license. 476 00:23:02,297 --> 00:23:04,337 So you have to go to this giant store. 477 00:23:04,424 --> 00:23:07,844 In order to get the fishing license, I had to show my driver's license. 478 00:23:07,928 --> 00:23:12,468 So the woman, who looked at first to me like a normal human being, 479 00:23:12,557 --> 00:23:14,517 um, asked for my driver's license. 480 00:23:14,601 --> 00:23:17,901 At that time, New York State driver's licenses did not have photographs on them. 481 00:23:18,397 --> 00:23:21,977 It was common in the West, but we didn't have them yet on the driver's license. 482 00:23:22,067 --> 00:23:25,897 So I handed her my license. She looked at it. She looked at me, and she said, 483 00:23:26,822 --> 00:23:30,242 "What's the matter? You don't have photographs on your license in Jew York?" 484 00:23:30,325 --> 00:23:32,785 -[Martin gasps] Mmm. -I was really shocked. 485 00:23:32,869 --> 00:23:34,449 -[Martin] Mmm. -I said, "No." 486 00:23:34,538 --> 00:23:36,788 She said, "Why not?" I said, "Because we can read." 487 00:23:36,873 --> 00:23:38,633 [laughter] 488 00:23:39,292 --> 00:23:41,132 So I remember this very vividly. 489 00:23:41,211 --> 00:23:42,301 Um… [chuckles] 490 00:23:42,379 --> 00:23:45,969 So we now have photographs, but we don't need them, 'cause we can still read. 491 00:23:47,384 --> 00:23:50,514 [commentator] The six fastest sprinters in the world are getting ready. 492 00:23:51,763 --> 00:23:53,273 Owens, America. 493 00:23:53,765 --> 00:23:55,265 Borchmeyer, Germany. 494 00:23:56,184 --> 00:23:57,894 And Metcalfe of America. 495 00:23:58,895 --> 00:24:00,895 [crowd cheering] 496 00:24:01,481 --> 00:24:02,401 Owens is ahead! 497 00:24:02,899 --> 00:24:06,609 Strandberg and Borchmeyer, fighting. Osendarp challenges Wykoff. 498 00:24:06,695 --> 00:24:10,195 Metcalfe comes up, but Owens wins in 10.3. 499 00:24:11,825 --> 00:24:14,195 [Spike] The 1936 Olympics. 500 00:24:14,286 --> 00:24:18,206 Jesse Owens wins how many gold medals, 501 00:24:18,290 --> 00:24:21,130 and Hitler refuses to shake 502 00:24:22,711 --> 00:24:23,551 his hand. 503 00:24:23,628 --> 00:24:26,758 As far as African-Americans in this country, 504 00:24:27,924 --> 00:24:31,644 a lot of the breakthroughs we've done in this country as African-Americans 505 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,220 has been through sports first. 506 00:24:33,305 --> 00:24:38,635 You go through Jack Johnson, Joe Louis, Jackie Robinson, Muhammad Ali. 507 00:24:39,227 --> 00:24:42,857 The world would not be the place it is today if there wasn't a Muhammad Ali. 508 00:24:42,939 --> 00:24:46,109 I mean, he had, his stuff, shit, 509 00:24:46,193 --> 00:24:48,573 -was way bigger than just boxing. -I agree. 510 00:24:48,653 --> 00:24:51,533 I love Muhammad Ali. I went to a Muhammad Ali fight at the Garden. 511 00:24:51,615 --> 00:24:53,155 Oh! Now you went to a fight! 512 00:24:53,241 --> 00:24:54,831 -[Fran] Yeah. -[laughter and applause] 513 00:24:54,910 --> 00:24:56,660 -But not-- -Wait, wait, wait. Which fight? 514 00:24:56,745 --> 00:24:58,455 -You went to the first Frazier-- -Yes. 515 00:24:58,538 --> 00:25:00,288 -But not-- -Wait, wait, wait, wait. 516 00:25:00,874 --> 00:25:02,884 You went to the first Ali-Frazier fight? 517 00:25:02,959 --> 00:25:04,459 -Yes. -One of the greatest fights ever? 518 00:25:04,544 --> 00:25:06,094 -Yes. -And you hate sports? 519 00:25:06,171 --> 00:25:07,961 -Yes. -Oh, get outta here! 520 00:25:08,048 --> 00:25:10,378 -No-- But I love Muhammad Ali. -The one where Frank Sinatra 521 00:25:10,467 --> 00:25:12,137 -was ringside taking pictures? -Yes! Yes. 522 00:25:12,219 --> 00:25:13,049 -And you went? -Yes. 523 00:25:13,136 --> 00:25:14,136 Why'd you go? 524 00:25:14,221 --> 00:25:17,141 I went with a girl who knew Frank Sinatra. 525 00:25:17,641 --> 00:25:19,271 Knew in the fullest sense of the word. 526 00:25:19,351 --> 00:25:20,521 -So-- -He gave her the tickets. 527 00:25:20,602 --> 00:25:23,102 Was she assisting him while he was taking pictures ringside? 528 00:25:23,688 --> 00:25:25,608 -She was not assisting him then, no. -Right. 529 00:25:25,690 --> 00:25:27,690 [laughter and applause] 530 00:25:27,776 --> 00:25:31,026 But she was known to assist him. So she gave me the tickets. 531 00:25:31,112 --> 00:25:33,372 I really wanted to go. I love Muhammad Ali. So-- 532 00:25:33,448 --> 00:25:36,868 Wait. You love Muhammad Ali, but how can you just take him out of sports? 533 00:25:36,952 --> 00:25:39,332 I loved him as a political figure. I loved Muhammad Ali. 534 00:25:39,412 --> 00:25:43,462 Yes, but poli-- But his being heavyweight world champion gave him the platform-- 535 00:25:43,542 --> 00:25:46,592 That's right, but that was his problem. My interest in him… 536 00:25:46,670 --> 00:25:49,420 -That's how he got there. -But how did he get the platform? When-- 537 00:25:49,506 --> 00:25:52,506 He couldn't have. So it was lucky that he was a very good fighter. 538 00:25:52,592 --> 00:25:54,142 -However-- -Good? He was great. 539 00:25:54,219 --> 00:25:55,509 I… I believe you. 540 00:25:55,595 --> 00:25:59,675 I sat there like this, and a guy behind me screamed at me, 541 00:25:59,766 --> 00:26:00,846 "Switch seats with me!" 542 00:26:00,934 --> 00:26:03,444 -"You don't deserve that seat!" -You hate sports, but went to one 543 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,440 of the greatest sporting events 544 00:26:05,522 --> 00:26:06,822 -in the history of sport. -Yes. 545 00:26:06,898 --> 00:26:08,528 -And you had great seats. -Yes. 546 00:26:08,608 --> 00:26:10,988 -But also, the clothes were fantastic. -[laughter] 547 00:26:11,069 --> 00:26:13,029 -Everybody was dressed up. -Everyone was dressed. 548 00:26:13,113 --> 00:26:16,583 So it was, to me, better than any fashion show you could go to now. 549 00:26:16,658 --> 00:26:20,698 It was a very wonderful fashion and cultural event. 550 00:26:20,787 --> 00:26:22,577 Unfortunately, there was a fight in the middle. 551 00:26:22,664 --> 00:26:24,714 [laughter] 552 00:26:24,791 --> 00:26:27,341 Someone asked me once, "Why did you go to that fight?" 553 00:26:27,419 --> 00:26:28,499 "I went for the clothes." 554 00:26:29,087 --> 00:26:32,877 There was still a big pimp culture in New York then. You know? 555 00:26:32,966 --> 00:26:35,716 There were pimps all over the streets. There were pimpmobiles. 556 00:26:35,802 --> 00:26:37,802 You could not believe the way people dressed. 557 00:26:37,887 --> 00:26:41,597 The pimps wore these big hats, and they came in with, like, 12 girls behind them. 558 00:26:41,683 --> 00:26:42,893 Now, you couldn't do that. 559 00:26:42,976 --> 00:26:44,806 I'm not suggesting it was a delightful thing, 560 00:26:44,894 --> 00:26:46,064 but it was interesting. 561 00:26:46,146 --> 00:26:49,566 But I really-- I love Muhammad Ali, you know, as a figure, 562 00:26:49,649 --> 00:26:50,859 but I hate fighting. 563 00:26:50,942 --> 00:26:53,492 I hated it. I… I mean, I can't believe it's legal. 564 00:26:53,570 --> 00:26:54,990 I know… You know, people-- 565 00:26:55,071 --> 00:26:57,451 I argue with people about this all the time. You know. 566 00:26:57,532 --> 00:27:00,242 And even an Ali fight, where there wasn't even that much punching, 567 00:27:00,327 --> 00:27:02,407 -because he was such a dancer, you know. -[Martin] Yes. 568 00:27:02,495 --> 00:27:04,455 But, um, I can't believe it's legal. 569 00:27:04,539 --> 00:27:06,789 I cannot believe that it is legal 570 00:27:06,875 --> 00:27:10,245 to watch human beings beat each other up as a sport. 571 00:27:10,337 --> 00:27:13,047 I know that people love it. I know I'm gonna get yelled… 572 00:27:13,131 --> 00:27:16,091 But you know… you know what's illegal? Cockfighting. 573 00:27:16,176 --> 00:27:18,846 Cockfighting is two chickens fighting each other. 574 00:27:18,928 --> 00:27:20,258 -We eat chickens! -[laughing] 575 00:27:20,347 --> 00:27:23,017 Okay? At least, I eat chickens. I know some people don't. 576 00:27:23,099 --> 00:27:27,479 So we eat chickens, but they can't fight with each other, because it's too brutal. 577 00:27:27,562 --> 00:27:29,982 ["La Dolce Vita (Finale) by Nino Rota playing] 578 00:27:38,490 --> 00:27:41,120 [Fran] I refused to go to a dinner party for Leni Riefenstahl. 579 00:27:41,201 --> 00:27:42,241 -[Martin] Ah. -[Fran] Okay? 580 00:27:42,327 --> 00:27:44,747 When Leni Riefenstahl published this book called-- 581 00:27:44,829 --> 00:27:46,159 -[Martin] Nuba. -[Fran] Nu-- Nubia. 582 00:27:46,247 --> 00:27:48,037 -Nuba? Nuba. -[Martin] Nuba. 583 00:27:48,124 --> 00:27:50,594 [Fran] And a guy I knew, who's now dead, 584 00:27:50,669 --> 00:27:53,089 gave a dinner party for her and it was small. 585 00:27:53,171 --> 00:27:56,261 It was, like, 12 people, and more than 12 people wanted to go. 586 00:27:56,341 --> 00:27:57,301 And I refused to go. 587 00:27:57,384 --> 00:27:59,304 He said, "What do you mean, you're not coming?" 588 00:27:59,386 --> 00:28:02,926 I said, "I'm not going to a party for Leni Riefenstahl. Don't be ridiculous." 589 00:28:03,014 --> 00:28:06,854 He said, "You know, Fran, you have to admit, she's a great artist." 590 00:28:07,352 --> 00:28:08,602 I said, "I don't care." 591 00:28:08,687 --> 00:28:11,557 Now I can't think of the name of the movie. The movie about the Olympics. 592 00:28:11,648 --> 00:28:14,188 -[Martin] Oh, Olympia is good. -[Fran] That movie used to play 593 00:28:14,275 --> 00:28:16,275 in S&M bars, behind bars. 594 00:28:16,361 --> 00:28:17,651 It played with the sound off. 595 00:28:17,737 --> 00:28:21,487 She always had a big following in New York among a certain kind of person. 596 00:28:21,574 --> 00:28:25,334 And this guy said, "Don't you think that's a great movie?" 597 00:28:25,412 --> 00:28:27,462 "Isn't she a great filmmaker?" I said, "Yes." 598 00:28:27,539 --> 00:28:28,869 I said, "To take that talent 599 00:28:28,957 --> 00:28:30,627 -and put it in the service of this…" -Mmm. 600 00:28:30,709 --> 00:28:33,799 "That is worse! It would be better if she was a horrible filmmaker."