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(rapid gunfire)
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(sirens)
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(shouting)
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REPORTER (over TV): Shake
this square world and
blast off for Kicksville.
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NIXON (over TV): Public enemy
number one is drug abuse.
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NANCY (over TV):
Just say, "No."
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REAGAN (over TV): Halting
the drug problem in America
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is like carrying
water in a sieve.
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BUSH (over TV):
Take my word for it,
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this scourge will stop!
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WOMAN: There's now an
understanding that
the War on Drugs
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was an abject failure.
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MAN: You have to stop
and ask yourself,
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how did we
get here?
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TRUMP (over TV): We
will build a wall.
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(theme music plays)
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(crowd cheering)
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MAN (over loudspeaker):
It's good to see y'all.
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Happy St. Patrick's Day.
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Chicago's annual St.
Patrick's Day Parade.
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MIA: Growing up in Chicago,
we had a great life.
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We came from great families.
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MAN (over loudspeaker):
Chicago's finest.
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Nice welcome to
Chicago's finest.
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MIA: Our fathers
were police officers.
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Our whole family is
in law enforcement.
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We grew up in a blue
collar neighborhood where
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city workers lived.
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They were all striving
to do the same things.
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They would send their
kids to private schools.
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You don't really run into
drug dealers or gangs.
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And Peter and Junior moved
down the block from me.
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MIKE: The Flores twins were
born as Pedro Flores and
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Margarito Flores Junior.
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Almost nobody
called them that,
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they were referred to as
Pete or Peter, was Pedro,
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and Margarito went
by Junior or Jay.
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OLIVIA: Well they
are identical twins,
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so they just stood out,
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out of everybody in the
whole neighborhood.
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My father did tell me
to stay away from 'em,
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but when we turned 18, 19
years old we became closer.
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MIA: Peter and Junior would
go to extreme measures to just
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put a smile on our face.
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And even though I come from
a family of law enforcement,
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I was always attracted
to these bad boys.
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So I ended up falling in love.
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JACK: The Flores twins,
Margarito and Pedro,
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if you saw 'em on the
street you wouldn't
think twice about 'em,
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because they're
very slender, small.
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They looked like kids, punks.
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I mean they were.
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Not what you would picture
as a major kingpin.
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MIKE: Without a doubt the
Flores twins became the
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biggest drug dealers in
the history of Chicago.
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Chicago sits at, at
the crossroads of many
interstate highways,
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many rail lines.
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For decades, big corporations,
FedEx, Amazon,
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companies like that used
Chicago as a transit hub.
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Cartels use it for
the exact same reason.
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So the drugs that made it from
Mexico to Chicago could then
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very easily be transported
to other US cities.
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The Flores brothers were
more or less born into
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the drug trade.
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marijuana trafficker,
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so from the earliest age they
were put in car seats on top
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on loads of marijuana that
their father was moving back
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and forth across
the Mexican border.
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And they had an older
brother in a gang in Chicago.
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So through those role models
they learned drug trafficking.
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MIA: At a young age Peter and
Junior worked at McDonald's.
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The process of McDonald's,
the fry guy does the fries,
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the burger flipper
does the burgers,
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they took this experience
into the drug world.
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All their workers
only did one job.
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So the money counter
counted the money.
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The courier
delivered the drugs.
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Nobody ever would cross paths,
so there wouldn't be a problem
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if one got caught.
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They always bounced ideas off
each other and they'd always
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try to come up with
something better.
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MIKE: They graduated from
hiding drugs in cars to hiding
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drugs in trucks.
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They graduated from
hiding drugs in trucks
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to hiding drugs in massive
semis that could carry in
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excess of 200 kilos of cocaine
or heroin every time.
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JACK: They were moving a 1,000
kilos a month of pure cocaine.
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A kilo was goin'
for about $60,000.
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You can do the math.
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MIA: I went into
a stash house.
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I seen money stacked
up to the ceiling.
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That's when I really
knew how big they were.
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OLIVIA: We were very young.
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We were very flashy.
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When we would go out
we would go to clubs
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and it was like we were
popping bottles of Crystal
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and we were just
living that life.
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I was known as the
Million Dollar (bleep),
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just because like, you know,
I was the first girl to get my
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boobs done and always wore
designer clothes and
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I was very flashy.
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You know, this was
a whole other level.
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It was obvious to see
what they were doing
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and how much money that
they were making.
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I mean they were two twins,
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driving around
the neighborhood
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in a Bentley and they
were only 22‐years‐old.
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MIKE: They built themselves
up from sort of neighborhood
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dealers to a criminal
enterprise that existed on a,
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on a truly national scale.
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OLIVIA: Everyone in Chicago
knew where the drugs
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were coming from.
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The drugs they were
getting were coming
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from the Sinaloa Cartel.
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From Chapo.
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Even though they didn't
owe him directly,
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indirectly they
had to pay him.
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WOMAN (over TV): Mexican
drug lord, Joaquin Guzman.
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MAN (over TV): The man known
as El Chapo, aka, Shorty.
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MAN (over TV): The top
drug dealer in the world.
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MAN (over TV): Who runs the
world's largest drug cartel.
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MAN: He's the tunnel king.
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He's responsible for more
sophisticated tunnels
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than I think any other
criminal in history.
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CROWD: Chapo, Chapo!
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JACK: He's supposedly this
Robin Hood, you know,
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takes from the rich,
gives to the poor.
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Building soccer fields,
churches.
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That's all (bleep).
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I never saw any of that.
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He's nothin' but a
stone cold killer.
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MAN (over TV): Tens of
thousands may have died
in the US and Mexico
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because of him.
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JACK: My name's Jack Riley and
for 32 years I was with DEA
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and my man Chapo Guzmán
became my obsession.
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In my opinion Chapo's
hand‐in‐hand
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with Osama Bin Laden.
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The only thing is I think
Chapo's killed tens of
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thousands of more people.
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He's a mass murderer,
make no mistake about it,
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but he's also one hell
of a corporate CEO.
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MAN (over TV): El Chapo's
cartel is believed responsible
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for an estimated 25% of
the drugs entering the US.
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MAN (over TV): Yeah, this
guy's been on the loose since
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escaping from a maximum
security prison back in 2001,
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reportedly by hiding
in a laundry cart.
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JACK: I hate the guy.
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I hate everything
he stands for.
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He put a bounty on my head
and wanted my head cut off.
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So that kinda changed it,
that made it personal for me.
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So I said, okay, let's
see who wins this.
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MAN (over loudspeaker): This is
what Chicago is all about.
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I always want the City of
Chicago to be remembered as
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the best city in
this United States.
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MIA: Anyone from Chicago knows
it's the place you really
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don't leave unless
you really have to.
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I can never go
back to Chicago.
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MIKE: In 2004, the twins were
very much a known quantity
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in drug trafficking.
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They were indicted,
they learned of
that indictment
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and that's ultimately
what caused them to,
to flee to Mexico.
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MIA: We were
basically on the run,
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hiding from the US Government.
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We moved to Guadalajara
and we were just thrown
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into this narco world.
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But Peter and Junior continued
to run their infrastructure
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as if they were in Chicago.
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MIKE: Once the Flores
brothers were in Mexico
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and were operating on this
truly international scale,
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where, where they were moving
hundreds of millions of
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dollars of cocaine and,
and heroin into the
United States each year,
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they began to interact
directly with more and more
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senior members of
the Sinaloa Cartel.
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OLIVIA: I think they
felt invincible.
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(phone ringing)
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When you are taking
drugs from the cartel,
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you're taking drugs
on consignment,
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you owe millions and
millions of dollars.
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Making the smallest mistake
can cost them their lives.
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(phone ringing)
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MIKE: In 2005
Guadalupe Ledesma,
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one of the twins
sources of supply,
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declared that the twins owed
to him a, a massive drug debt
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of several million dollars.
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Guadalupe ultimately received
his drugs from Chapo.
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(ringing)
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OLIVIA: I remember the day
when Junior's phone rang.
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(ringing)
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Peter had been kidnapped.
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MIA: I seen the devastation
in my brother‐in‐law's eyes.
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He was hurt beyond belief.
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He knew exactly what he had
to do to get my husband home.
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OLIVIA: Junior says that
he's gonna go to Sinaloa
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to try to get to Chapo.
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I was so frightened.
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I didn't think that Peter
was gonna come back alive.
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MIKE: In 2005, Chapo is
already one of the most wanted
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people on the planet.
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It's hard to overstate how
dangerous it is for Chapo to
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meet with a stranger
that could be bringing
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the Mexican Marines with them.
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OLIVIA: He was allowed to
go up to the mountain top
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and see Chapo.
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A lot of people that
go to the mountain top,
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they don't return.
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He had to get on a Cessna.
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MIKE: To go meet with Chapo,
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you effectively
surrender yourself to,
to Chapo's sicarios.
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OLIVIA: They landed
on a manmade strip.
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Junior is greeted
by Chapo's army.
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They have AK‐47s,
they're like ready
to go to war.
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That's when he met Chapo.
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Chapo told him that he
can have him killed
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with his brother.
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Junior asked him
for permission
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to pull out these ledgers.
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It was forensic detail
of their business.
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Every drug shipment
they'd taken,
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every payment that they
made to the cartel.
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As Junior's flipping
through these ledgers,
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Chapo realizes the amount of
drugs that they're moving.
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MIA: The way they set it up
and the way they still run
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their infrastructure
from Mexico,
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he was amazed.
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JACK: He sized up the ability
of the Flores twins to
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navigate and to understand
the American market.
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Chapo just couldn't do it and
he didn't really have anybody
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who knew how to do it either.
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OLIVIA: At that point he knew
that he was going to utilize
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them to expand his
infrastructure.
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MIKE: Chapo was convinced
that this drug debt
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wasn't their fault.
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Effectively that
Guadalupe Ledesma
was lying to Chapo.
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And so Pete was released.
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Under Chapo's order,
Ledesma was executed.
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From that point on,
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Pete and Jay began dealing
directly with, with Chapo.
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JACK: I think it's at that
point that Chapo made it
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pretty clear to them,
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if they chose to buy
from other people
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they were gonna be dead
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and their family
was gonna be dead.
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OLIVIA: Junior was getting
his brother back alive
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and they were gonna be
able to work directly
with Chapo Guzmán.
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JACK: This was just a massive
way of them evolving with a
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supplier that had
an endless amount.
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OLIVIA: So everything
began to change.
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OLIVIA: I feel like every
drug dealer's dream
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is to have a zoo.
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So of course our
husbands had a zoo.
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They had the tigers,
we had flamingos
running around.
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That right there is
putting a stamp on that
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you made it in the drug world.
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Chapo really gravitated
to Junior and Peter.
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He loved the way that
they ran their business.
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He actually treated
them like his sons.
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They were utilizing
tunnels to get the drugs
from Mexico to the US,
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they were using
tractor trailers,
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they were using airplanes.
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Chapo had a fleet of 747s,
he used submarines.
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When you're talking submarines,
I was like,
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holy (bleep) this
is next level.
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MIKE: So 2005 to 2008 the
Flores brothers were importing
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into the United States
approximately two tons of
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cocaine per month.
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They also distributed
massive quantities of heroin.
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JACK: If you had to take
two field representatives to
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represent your organization,
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the twins were it.
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They would be your
star salesmen.
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So I think he thought
from an early point
with the Flores twins,
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he could trust them.
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OLIVIA: Mia and I found out
that we were both pregnant.
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MIA: It was very scary to
realize that we are gonna
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bring up our children
in this drug world.
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We realized how this cycle
was, was just going on and on
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from generation to generation.
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From my father‐in‐law
to my brother‐in‐law
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and then to the twins.
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OLIVIA: When you're working
for Chapo Guzmán and
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you're bringing in the money,
$2 billion in their case,
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he was never gonna
let them stop.
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I started telling Junior that
I couldn't do this anymore.
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"What do you mean?
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Like, we can't stop.
Like, we're good.
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Nothing's gonna happen to us.
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No, there's gonna be
no end game for us,
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like it's not gonna happen."
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MIKE: The twins saw people
that were chained up
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and, and beaten.
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They saw people that
were dismembered.
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They, they saw exactly
what could happen
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if they ever lost Chapo's trust.
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It was either,
they'll probably
die in Mexico
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or work with us and try to
find a better path forward
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for their family.
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OLIVIA: I think it's the
hardest decision that they
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ever made.
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They basically went against
everything that they ever
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learned their whole life.
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I honestly looked at my
husband like he was the
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bravest man in the world.
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He knew that this is the
only way to save our family.
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MIKE: We were not aware of
a single legally admissible
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recording of Chapo, period.
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Full stop.
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The twins presented
that opportunity.
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If a recording device
was discovered during
a face‐to‐face meeting,
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they would have been killed.
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Instead, we tried to
get Chapo on the phone.
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MIA: It was a
Saturday evening.
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Chapo called.
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(ringing)
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Peter and Junior
go upstairs and
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Olivia and I both know
what they're doing.
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(phone ringing)
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MIA: They got it.
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MIKE: There was somewhat
of a sense of, of disbelief.
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We had a powerful
admissible recording of the
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world's biggest criminal.
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OLIVIA: I knew at that point
that life was gonna change.
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I knew that our husbands
were going to have to turn
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themselves in to the
US Government and that
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they were gonna go to prison.
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MIKE: Now, the focus of the
case shifted to actually
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capturing Chapo and have
this tape mean something.
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JACK: The evidence that was
gained from the Flores twins,
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it was evidence you
couldn't refute.
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I knew this guy had to go
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and I was determined
we were gonna get him.
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♪ ♪
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♪ ♪
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♪ ♪
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♪ ♪
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MAN (over TV): Guzmán was
quoted calling Chicago
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his home port.
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DAVID (over TV):
He's responsible for
80% of the drugs
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on the streets of Chicago.
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JACK: I grew up on the
south side of Chicago.
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I hate what Chapo
did to my hometown.
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Homicides were
through the roof,
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gang activity was unabated.
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It was very clear Chapo
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established a
stronghold there.
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But, what shocked me was he
was able to understand the
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prescription drug issue.
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WOMAN (over TV): Nationwide,
nearly seven million people
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abuse pharmaceuticals.
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MAN (over TV): The pills
are what people initially
become hooked on.
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Now you have doctors
giving out fewer
prescriptions for opioids.
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MIKE (over TV): I got like
five painkillers left.
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WOMAN (over TV): What
happens after that?
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MIKE (over TV): I don't know.
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May have to go on the
street and get 'em.
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JACK: Chapo capitalized
on all of that.
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Doctors won't give
you the script,
what do you do?
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Well it's an opioid so you
walk down the street to a
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local gang member and you get
high potency cheap heroin.
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Fentanyl can be
produced 24‐7
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and it's 40 to 50 times stronger
than street level heroin.
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MAN (over TV): This influx
of heroin cut with fentanyl
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is killing people.
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WOMAN (over TV):
Overdose death rose to
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more than 63,000.
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JACK: He didn't care how
many people he killed,
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he just wanted to make
literally billions of dollars.
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Is everybody ready?
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00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,480
Okay.
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I decided to go to the
Chicago Crime Commission
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and push them to name
Chapo Guzmán Public
Enemy Number One.
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MAN: We're using this
title which we first gave
to Al Capone in 1930,
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because of the viciousness
and because of the evil
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and because of
the power of this man,
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American's most
wanted criminal.
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JACK: There's one thing
that these people fear,
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comin' to the United States
and facing our justice system
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where they can't
buy their way out,
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they can't bribe
their way out.
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00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,200
We're not backin' down.
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The good guys are
not rollin' over.
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We're comin'.
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DREW: Being labeled
Public Enemy Number One
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puts a target on your back.
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My name is Drew Hogan,
I'm the former DA
Special Agent who
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led the investigation of
Chapo Guzmán in Mexico.
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He certainly had connections
at, at very high levels
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00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,560
and he was always
one step ahead.
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Always.
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JACK: Chapo built
the communication,
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his security apparatus,
that literally took the
best minds
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in the world to
try to break into.
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DREW: The infiltration of that
sophisticated communication
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structure took
us a lot of time,
402
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,400
but as we did that we were
able to open new doors
403
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,040
and new windows
into Chapo's world.
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00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:25,800
Once we had his patterns
established over the
course of several months,
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00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,080
it was time to go after him.
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00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:34,480
(banging)
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00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:46,040
(banging on door)
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DREW: I walked in,
into the bathroom.
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00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:04,200
I saw the bathtub propped
up at a 45 degree angle
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00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:09,440
with a tunnel beneath it
and we knew.
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00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,560
Chapo had escaped.
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00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,760
He didn't even have time
to grab his clothes.
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00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,760
We were told that he
escaped in his underwear.
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00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,160
And it was at that moment
puttin' frustration and, and,
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00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,640
you know, that anger aside,
that it was like, alright,
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00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,720
you know, well the hunt is on.
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00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,880
We ended up getting
intelligence that he fled down
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to Mazatlán, Sinaloa.
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It was a place
called Hotel Miramar.
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00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,680
We were exhausted.
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Nobody had slept in, in days but
we had to give it our all.
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So as we pull up
to the front gate,
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the Marines flooded the
inside of the hotel.
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I looked up and I could
see the, the lights
start to come on,
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room by room.
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All of a sudden the
radio chatter picked up.
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We've got the target,
we've got the target.
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00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,280
It's like, oh my God, they've
got somebody, but is it him?
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I remember running right
up to him and seeing
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and it was Chapo Guzmán.
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00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,360
Couldn't believe it.
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00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:34,920
We got him.
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00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:36,600
Woo!
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MAN: Woo!
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DREW: The world's most
wanted drug kingpin.
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00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,320
There it is.
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00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:44,720
The escape artist.
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00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,320
There she is.
439
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:47,960
It was unbelievable.
440
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,440
MIKE: Chapo was the
symbol of the cartel.
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00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,840
He was the boogeyman
of the cartel.
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00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,440
Capturing him was a,
was a massive victory.
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00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,280
The evidence that we had built
over those six years would
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finally be used in a courtroom
where we could seek justice
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for the world's largest
drug trafficker.
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(speaking native language)
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♪ ♪
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MAN (over TV): Reaction coming
in from the White House.
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We congratulate the Mexican
Government on the capture.
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This is a significant
achievement in our shared
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fight against organized crime,
violence and drug trafficking.
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MAN (over TV): He faces
multiple indictments in the US,
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00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,600
but will the Mexicans
ever really let him go?
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♪ ♪
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DREW: My wife sent
me a text message,
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Chapo had just escaped a
maximum security prison.
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00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,720
Surprise, surprise,
via another tunnel.
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00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,040
WOMAN (over TV): Top
drug lord Joaquín
'El Chapo' Guzmán
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has escaped prison
a second time.
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MAN (over TV):
This freedom
tunnel was an
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00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:15,920
engineering marvel.
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00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,240
A mile long.
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00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:21,960
MAN (over TV): This prison
had ways of blocking cell
phone signals,
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heavily armored vehicles,
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they even had three foot walls
and yet El Chapo found a way
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00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,800
to burrow out right under the
noses of Mexican authorities
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00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,560
and go completely free.
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00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,200
How did he manage to do that?
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(singing in native language)
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JACK: I can remember the morning
that I got the phone call.
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It was the worst
day of my life.
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00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,080
I was so angry.
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00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,520
This guy just rode a motorcycle
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00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,040
right out of prison?
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00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:48,680
(singing in native language)
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00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,160
It's just unbelievable.
477
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:54,800
Ventilation, electricity,
it's truly a, a work of art.
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00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,920
I remember tellin' our guys,
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00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,800
"He cannot be on the ground
480
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,640
floor and he cannot
stay in the same cell."
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00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:02,800
He was in the same cell
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00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,040
for nearly a year on
the ground floor.
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00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:05,640
And he's known for tunnels.
484
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,960
It was clearly an inside gig.
485
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,160
A lot of people had
knowledge of it
486
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:14,600
and did absolutely nothing.
487
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,400
I knew if we didn't stay in
the fight with a firm hand,
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00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,720
this guy wasn't
gonna get caught.
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♪ ♪
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Chapo felt invincible.
491
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,440
He'd escaped twice.
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00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,560
He felt like everywhere he went
he owned his surroundings.
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00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,080
I think it was his arrogance.
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00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,720
He made some mistakes.
495
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:06,120
We developed information
coming from a cell phone that
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00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,440
we were able to pinpoint the
location and it's from there
497
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,000
the Marines made the assault.
498
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:24,800
(rapid gunfire)
499
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,160
DREW: Chapo escaped
again out of a tunnel,
500
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:58,720
through the sewer,
popped up,
hijacked a car.
501
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,760
But they were stopped by
the Mexican Federal Police
502
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:10,440
and he was done for,
once again.
503
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,040
MAN (over TV): A
dramatic capture,
504
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,840
the world's most wanted,
most dangerous drug lord.
505
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,080
WOMAN (over TV):
Captured again.
506
00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:25,960
JACK: When he was
captured the second time,
507
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:30,440
they put him right back in the
same prison he escaped from.
508
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,320
I couldn't believe it.
509
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,680
And I knew right then we had
to do everything we could to
510
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,400
get this guy to the States
to face prosecution.
511
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,480
MAN: He was a man known
for no other life than
a life of crime,
512
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,720
violence, death
and destruction
513
00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:56,720
and now he'll have
to answer to that,
514
00:37:56,720 --> 00:37:59,520
as I'm pleased to announce the
515
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:04,160
extradition of Chapo Guzmán to
the United States from Mexico.
516
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:07,480
WOMAN (over TV): Security
surrounding the case in
517
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,440
Brooklyn will be
unprecedented.
518
00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:21,520
WOMAN (over TV): Yesterday
the court heard from
Chicago's infamous twins,
519
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,840
Pedro Flores
and his brother Margarito.
520
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,640
OLIVIA: We knew that our
husbands would have to testify
521
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,120
and we knew the whole
world was watching.
522
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,560
DREW: Chapo had grown
to this mythic figure.
523
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,640
The trial broke all
of those walls down.
524
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,480
The, the trial showed that,
that nobody is above the law.
525
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,240
WOMAN (over TV):
Good day everyone.
526
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:49,400
We're coming on the
air with breaking news,
527
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:50,520
a verdict has been reached.
528
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,080
JACK: I knew the evidence.
529
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:54,800
MAN (over TV): It took
the jury six days to
530
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,360
reach a verdict.
531
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,160
JACK: I knew he was
goin' away for good.
532
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,760
MAN (over TV): Joaquin "El
Chapo" Guzmán was just found
533
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,000
guilty on all counts.
534
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,440
JACK: I'm tellin' you it's
one of the best feelings
535
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:13,640
I've ever had.
536
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,640
It felt that I was done.
537
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,960
That my career
meant something.
538
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,560
I was completely exhausted
539
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,240
but there was an
inner sense of joy.
540
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,360
I'd like to see him try to get
out of the jail he's in now.
541
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:39,640
That's not happening.
542
00:39:41,720 --> 00:39:44,960
♪ ♪
543
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,880
OLIVIA: Chapo getting
sentenced I feel like this was
544
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:58,440
resolution to what we
started 12 years ago.
545
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:06,720
Thank you, oh my gosh.
546
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:08,800
MAN: (inaudible).
MIA: Oh, how sweet.
547
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,800
OLIVIA: Even with them
being in prison we
just got these roses.
548
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,840
This is like what they do.
549
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,160
Basically it's a
sentence for life.
550
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,040
We're always gonna be hunted,
551
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,320
but we do it for the
protection of our family,
552
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:27,960
for our children.
553
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,320
This is gonna be
our life forever.
554
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,280
MIKE: The trial itself
was a fantastic victory.
555
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:40,600
But the trial was
largely symbolic.
556
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,480
It certainly does
not end anything,
557
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,360
it doesn't end the
Sinaloa Cartel,
558
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,080
it doesn't end the tons of,
of heroin and, and cocaine
559
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,000
that pour over our border.
560
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,320
Since Chapo has been convicted
the, the Sinaloa Cartel
561
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,640
keeps humming right along.
562
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,040
Now his sons are, are
massively important
within the cartel.
563
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,560
WOMAN (over TV): Like father,
like sons,
564
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,560
the children of infamous
drug lord El Chapo are
running his empire.
565
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,680
WOMAN (over TV): A heavily
armed drug cartel ambushed the
566
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,760
military and police,
567
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,480
masked gunmen lighting cars
on fire to keep police back.
568
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:09,560
♪ ♪
569
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,040
JACK: These cartels are like
military organizations.
570
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,640
If the general's removed or
killed there's someone
571
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:19,760
likely to step up.
572
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:28,400
MIKE: There is no alternative.
573
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,880
If the US government didn't
pursue people like Chapo,
574
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:33,960
we would just
have lawlessness.
575
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,840
It, it doesn't change the
reality that Chicago is still
576
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,280
devastated by drugs.
577
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:40,600
Devastated by violence.
578
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,920
You can prosecute all of
the Chapo's in the world,
579
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,360
but our drug problems
are as, as bad now as
they have ever been.
580
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,280
And it just highlights
that alone is never, ever,
581
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:52,560
ever going to be enough.
582
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,040
JACK: The whole mantra of the
war on drugs drives me crazy,
583
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,440
because it's depicts a
beginning and an end.
584
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,520
They'll be no end
to this addiction,
to the violence,
585
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,360
to the death that
associates it.
586
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,400
But it's how we choose as
a society to confront it.
587
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:08,640
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