1 00:00:12,513 --> 00:00:14,113 [suspenseful chord strike] 2 00:01:17,211 --> 00:01:20,312 [theme music playing] 3 00:01:26,854 --> 00:01:29,521 MAN: There's this thing inside of me, it's like... 4 00:01:29,590 --> 00:01:31,356 the appetite. 5 00:01:31,425 --> 00:01:34,560 It's like a wolf that's... 6 00:01:34,628 --> 00:01:37,062 filling...the hunger. 7 00:01:37,164 --> 00:01:40,699 ♪♪ 8 00:03:57,605 --> 00:03:59,805 MORGAN: He's gonna start with just flat-out denial, 9 00:03:59,807 --> 00:04:02,107 which isn't believable. 10 00:04:02,242 --> 00:04:04,409 Just because someone psychopathic does not 11 00:04:04,511 --> 00:04:07,246 mean they're intelligent about how to lie well. 12 00:04:07,314 --> 00:04:11,316 RAGHAVAN: But he adds different things that he hopes will make 13 00:04:11,318 --> 00:04:14,219 him seem vulnerable and authentic, 14 00:04:14,221 --> 00:04:16,521 such as, "I know this doesn't sound right, 15 00:04:16,657 --> 00:04:19,057 but it's actually the truth." 16 00:04:19,159 --> 00:04:20,959 But there's blood everywhere. 17 00:04:21,028 --> 00:04:23,862 So it's a careless, impulsive murder with 18 00:04:23,997 --> 00:04:27,599 no forethought and no thinking about what would happen. 19 00:05:40,307 --> 00:05:42,607 Being choked is a sign of extreme danger. 20 00:05:42,609 --> 00:05:45,310 It was happening after they broke up. 21 00:05:45,312 --> 00:05:47,813 He feels she doesn't have any right to break up 22 00:05:47,815 --> 00:05:49,815 the relationship, and he chokes her, 23 00:05:49,817 --> 00:05:52,117 because he feels that she's betraying him. 24 00:05:52,252 --> 00:05:55,220 He feels entitled, because he owns her. 25 00:06:13,507 --> 00:06:16,808 The word mostly, it's a very telling term, which means 26 00:06:16,910 --> 00:06:19,444 there's a story there -- she goes, "It's mostly tame," 27 00:06:19,546 --> 00:06:22,013 which means it's not always tame. 28 00:06:22,015 --> 00:06:24,816 Here's some excerpts from her diary. 29 00:06:24,918 --> 00:06:29,154 Blair writes, "Sean makes me so mad since he moved in. 30 00:06:30,224 --> 00:06:32,157 "He can be such a jerk sometimes. 31 00:06:32,259 --> 00:06:34,626 "He needs to change his damn attitude, 32 00:06:34,728 --> 00:06:36,962 stop snapping at me for stuff he did." 33 00:06:37,030 --> 00:06:39,131 To the police, 34 00:06:39,233 --> 00:06:41,433 she's minimizing how tempestuous 35 00:06:41,502 --> 00:06:43,502 the relationship was in the household. 36 00:06:43,604 --> 00:06:46,705 He's snapping at her, and we know that he choked her. 37 00:06:46,707 --> 00:06:50,609 This blaming other people or externalizing responsibility is 38 00:06:50,711 --> 00:06:53,111 one of the signs that we see in psychopathy. 39 00:08:27,674 --> 00:08:29,107 Alex has had very clear 40 00:08:29,209 --> 00:08:31,443 characteristics of autism spectrum disorder. 41 00:08:31,545 --> 00:08:32,611 You can see it in his language. 42 00:08:32,713 --> 00:08:35,714 He's very pedantic. He's very exact. 43 00:08:35,849 --> 00:08:37,816 Alex has a limited 44 00:08:37,918 --> 00:08:41,119 understanding of friendships and empathy, 45 00:08:41,221 --> 00:08:44,823 and he thinks Sean is his best friend for thousands of years. 46 00:08:46,426 --> 00:08:47,692 And the way that these two 47 00:08:47,694 --> 00:08:51,329 come together is a recipe for disaster. 48 00:08:51,464 --> 00:08:56,401 Sean's psychopathic traits are going to make him very quick to 49 00:08:56,536 --> 00:08:58,737 exploit the weaknesses in other people 50 00:08:58,805 --> 00:09:01,506 and figure out how he can use them to his own advantage. 51 00:09:06,947 --> 00:09:08,847 [Smoot sighs heavily] 52 00:10:04,104 --> 00:10:06,338 MORGAN: His identity is fused with Sean Turkot. 53 00:10:08,108 --> 00:10:09,341 Psychologically and emotionally, 54 00:10:09,442 --> 00:10:11,610 it sounds like he accepted the idea 55 00:10:11,612 --> 00:10:14,813 that seeing Eddie alive was killing Sean. 56 00:10:14,948 --> 00:10:19,818 So helping him get rid of Eddie would help Sean live. 57 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,654 RAGHAVAN: He seems so completely under the spell of Turkot, 58 00:10:22,689 --> 00:10:26,958 and he has internalized Turkot's self pity 59 00:10:27,093 --> 00:10:29,127 in a "blame the world" narrative, 60 00:10:29,129 --> 00:10:32,130 which is a very psychopathic and [indistinct] narrative. 61 00:10:33,533 --> 00:10:35,533 It really feels like a cult leader 62 00:10:35,635 --> 00:10:38,336 and a cult follower type of relationship. 63 00:10:38,438 --> 00:10:42,040 And so there's a, element of brainwashing, loyalty, 64 00:10:42,142 --> 00:10:46,044 devotion, and willingness to commit crime for him. 65 00:12:18,205 --> 00:12:22,807 MORGAN: He is now framing things differently. 66 00:12:22,942 --> 00:12:25,043 He doesn't have aggression towards Eddie. 67 00:12:25,112 --> 00:12:26,111 I didn't hate him. 68 00:12:26,113 --> 00:12:28,246 I actually liked him. He's my friend. 69 00:12:28,315 --> 00:12:30,715 I felt sorry for him. 70 00:12:30,817 --> 00:12:32,617 Psychopathic people, they will 71 00:12:32,719 --> 00:12:35,420 try and shift blame to someone else. 72 00:12:35,522 --> 00:12:38,223 So he's shifting it to his ex, 73 00:12:38,325 --> 00:12:40,325 and he's lying, 74 00:12:40,427 --> 00:12:43,728 but he's really trying now to manipulate the circumstances 75 00:12:43,830 --> 00:12:45,330 so that he can come out and look good. 76 00:13:19,232 --> 00:13:21,699 MORGAN: A little over a week before Eddie was murdered, 77 00:13:21,802 --> 00:13:24,335 Sean sent a message to a friend on social media. 78 00:13:25,705 --> 00:13:28,606 "She loves hurting me, and so does Eddie. 79 00:13:28,741 --> 00:13:30,208 "I would love to take him out in the woods 80 00:13:30,343 --> 00:13:32,944 and hunt him like the pig he is." 81 00:13:33,013 --> 00:13:36,147 And then he writes, "I simply want to kidnap him and kill him 82 00:13:36,216 --> 00:13:37,615 at Rock State Park, 83 00:13:37,717 --> 00:13:40,318 take him out to Allegheny Forest, and dump his cold, dead 84 00:13:40,420 --> 00:13:43,521 corpse in the roaring waters so the sharks can eat him. 85 00:13:43,590 --> 00:13:45,523 It isn't just a vague thought of killing him. 86 00:13:45,525 --> 00:13:50,728 He's actually now articulating a plan for committing murder. 87 00:13:50,831 --> 00:13:52,230 He's describing the location of where 88 00:13:52,365 --> 00:13:54,399 the body is, in fact, found, 89 00:13:54,401 --> 00:13:57,702 so it's not smart, but he's not even ashamed of 90 00:13:57,704 --> 00:13:58,736 his feelings. 91 00:13:58,805 --> 00:14:01,105 These are signs that we see in psychopathy. 92 00:14:51,925 --> 00:14:54,325 MORGAN: When Sean Turkot's making these comments, 93 00:14:54,327 --> 00:14:56,728 we're really learning more about him, 94 00:14:56,830 --> 00:14:59,063 because we know that he attributes blame 95 00:14:59,165 --> 00:15:00,197 to other people. 96 00:15:00,199 --> 00:15:03,935 He attributes emotional states to other people. 97 00:15:04,004 --> 00:15:05,503 Um, and so it's possible that 98 00:15:05,505 --> 00:15:08,706 he himself experiences a death wish. 99 00:15:08,808 --> 00:15:13,211 Um, but he'll say anything right now to keep diverting 100 00:15:13,213 --> 00:15:16,948 the police officers' attention to somebody else in order to 101 00:15:17,050 --> 00:15:21,252 still appear like he's the victim in the story right now. 102 00:16:32,158 --> 00:16:35,293 He had recruited a friend who would do anything for him 103 00:16:35,295 --> 00:16:38,029 and manipulated him to 104 00:16:38,031 --> 00:16:40,631 help him get it done and then is willing to throw him 105 00:16:40,733 --> 00:16:42,033 under the bus, 106 00:16:42,102 --> 00:16:44,702 which lets you see the lack of empathy, 107 00:16:44,804 --> 00:16:47,005 the lack of a genuine bond. 108 00:16:47,007 --> 00:16:50,708 There's no regard even for Alex's feelings. 109 00:16:50,810 --> 00:16:52,744 He'll ditch his friend right away. 110 00:16:52,812 --> 00:16:58,349 Psychopaths really, uh, want to use people as chess pieces 111 00:16:58,418 --> 00:16:59,851 in -- in the game of life. 112 00:16:59,986 --> 00:17:01,619 That -- that's how they see other people. 113 00:17:01,721 --> 00:17:03,121 If they can't get around them, they need to move them 114 00:17:03,123 --> 00:17:04,956 out of the way, with force. 115 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,801 I'm not buying that emotion that he just had there, 116 00:17:49,903 --> 00:17:52,136 when he says he's the only friend I've ever had. 117 00:17:52,205 --> 00:17:55,807 He has kind of a crack in his voice, but he's really crafty 118 00:17:55,909 --> 00:17:59,610 in that he's probably able to hold it under this facade of 119 00:17:59,712 --> 00:18:01,245 being a good guy. 120 00:18:35,715 --> 00:18:39,117 I think he's explaining in a very honest way, 121 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:44,622 even if it's immature, why he feels he needs to protect Blair. 122 00:18:44,624 --> 00:18:48,493 The way he idealizes and devalues, particularly Blair, 123 00:18:48,628 --> 00:18:51,963 but also, interestingly, Eddie, are very much part of how 124 00:18:52,064 --> 00:18:54,732 he splits into good and bad. 125 00:18:54,801 --> 00:18:56,134 She's horrible and manipulative, 126 00:18:56,202 --> 00:18:59,904 so the boyfriend needs to go -- other times, she doesn't stand 127 00:18:59,906 --> 00:19:04,742 up for herself like my mother, and so I need to do it for her. 128 00:19:04,811 --> 00:19:07,545 We don't know the full story, and we only know 129 00:19:07,614 --> 00:19:09,113 what Sean Turkot says, 130 00:19:09,215 --> 00:19:12,650 but this kind of splitting, meaning idolizing and then 131 00:19:12,752 --> 00:19:14,819 devaluing the person based on 132 00:19:14,821 --> 00:19:19,123 your emotional turmoil is almost always 133 00:19:19,125 --> 00:19:20,725 because of abuse. 134 00:20:06,439 --> 00:20:09,907 The story that he tells only emphasizes his nobility. 135 00:20:09,909 --> 00:20:12,910 He couldn't possibly have been a decent father. 136 00:20:12,912 --> 00:20:17,715 He's violent man who is financially unstable. 137 00:20:17,717 --> 00:20:19,350 But the abuse he suffered doesn't 138 00:20:19,419 --> 00:20:21,819 justify the terrible way he treats women 139 00:20:21,921 --> 00:20:24,922 or the fact that he murdered his girlfriend's boyfriend.