1 00:01:03,864 --> 00:01:07,032 MAN: There's this thing inside of me, it's like... 2 00:01:07,134 --> 00:01:08,000 the appetite. 3 00:01:08,002 --> 00:01:11,103 It's like a wolf that's... 4 00:01:11,105 --> 00:01:13,605 filling...the hunger. 5 00:01:13,707 --> 00:01:18,243 ♪♪ 6 00:01:18,345 --> 00:01:22,047 ♪♪ 7 00:01:22,116 --> 00:01:23,715 MAN: Around 2:30 Monday morning, 8 00:01:23,717 --> 00:01:26,318 first responders are called to a car fire near 9 00:01:26,320 --> 00:01:29,221 the 22-mile marker of I-96 -- the body of 10 00:01:29,290 --> 00:01:32,825 a 37-year-old woman identified as Lori Marie Vargas, 11 00:01:32,827 --> 00:01:35,060 trapped and badly burned inside. 12 00:01:40,935 --> 00:01:43,602 At first, it seemed like a deadly fiery crash. 13 00:01:43,604 --> 00:01:44,803 But evidence at the scene, 14 00:01:44,805 --> 00:01:47,039 along with the man officers found walking 15 00:01:47,141 --> 00:01:49,341 near the crash, quickly leading detectives 16 00:01:49,443 --> 00:01:51,443 to believe this case was something else. 17 00:01:52,613 --> 00:01:54,613 Police online records show 45-year-old 18 00:01:54,715 --> 00:01:56,715 Donald Spice is being held. 19 00:03:22,436 --> 00:03:24,937 MORGAN: So from a psychological defenses perspective, 20 00:03:25,039 --> 00:03:26,905 we would say that is projection, because he's 21 00:03:26,907 --> 00:03:31,710 attributing to her attitudes that he, in fact, holds himself. 22 00:03:31,812 --> 00:03:33,445 I don't think he really was 23 00:03:33,547 --> 00:03:35,614 totally happy in the relationship at all. 24 00:03:35,716 --> 00:03:37,015 He's very calm. 25 00:03:37,017 --> 00:03:41,453 He refers to it in the past tense, that I was her fiance, 26 00:03:41,555 --> 00:03:45,090 and he's beginning to set the stage that things were kind 27 00:03:45,092 --> 00:03:46,425 of fine with me, 28 00:03:46,527 --> 00:03:49,461 but something was wrong with her. 29 00:04:09,450 --> 00:04:11,817 I didn't believe it, not because he said he cried. 30 00:04:11,819 --> 00:04:16,154 I didn't believe it because he presents Lori Vargas as 31 00:04:16,256 --> 00:04:20,559 this crazy woman who was out of control with her emotions. 32 00:04:20,661 --> 00:04:25,497 He says she's irrational, which many abusive men do. 33 00:04:25,499 --> 00:04:28,600 MORGAN: The technique of blaming somebody else for what's going 34 00:04:28,702 --> 00:04:33,605 on is very common in people who have psychopathy. 35 00:04:33,740 --> 00:04:37,809 This behavior is definitely related to power and control, 36 00:04:37,811 --> 00:04:40,946 and it's related to obtaining their objective. 37 00:04:42,149 --> 00:04:43,415 [knocking noise] 38 00:05:46,947 --> 00:05:48,747 He just says, "I didn't want to hurt her." 39 00:05:48,849 --> 00:05:50,115 I believe that part. 40 00:05:50,117 --> 00:05:51,216 But I think he wanted to kill her. 41 00:05:51,318 --> 00:05:54,319 His own thinking was, "I want to get rid of her, 42 00:05:54,321 --> 00:05:56,455 but maybe I didn't want to make her suffer." 43 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:43,101 That's what we would call a Freudian slip. 44 00:06:43,103 --> 00:06:46,738 That, I believe, indicates he knew she's already dead. 45 00:06:46,807 --> 00:06:50,709 He's already killed her -- little phrases and lines make it 46 00:06:50,811 --> 00:06:52,144 sound like 47 00:06:52,245 --> 00:06:56,515 in the eye of the investigator that this was hurtful to him. 48 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:47,699 RAGHAVAN: I'm a little bit speechless 49 00:07:47,801 --> 00:07:50,202 at the pointlessness of this detail. 50 00:07:50,204 --> 00:07:53,738 The story as is told makes no sense. 51 00:07:53,807 --> 00:07:56,007 A woman with no history of violence, 52 00:07:56,009 --> 00:07:59,711 no history of volatility, would not pick up a knife 53 00:07:59,813 --> 00:08:01,613 and threaten a dog. 54 00:08:01,715 --> 00:08:04,115 MORGAN: He's essentially saying she picks up the dog and says, 55 00:08:04,218 --> 00:08:06,117 you know, I'm gonna kill this thing, and -- 56 00:08:06,186 --> 00:08:07,619 and then the murder happens. 57 00:08:07,721 --> 00:08:10,355 I think it's all setting the stage for what's about 58 00:08:10,457 --> 00:08:12,224 to come, I think it is manipulative. 59 00:09:09,416 --> 00:09:11,449 MORGAN: You usually say it's love that sweeps you off 60 00:09:11,551 --> 00:09:13,418 your feet, but in this case, it's a hammer. 61 00:09:13,420 --> 00:09:15,620 There is an element of the -- of the dramatic, 62 00:09:15,622 --> 00:09:18,557 but I do think that that's part of what happens when 63 00:09:18,658 --> 00:09:21,826 people are telling a story that's just not true. 64 00:09:21,828 --> 00:09:25,730 In reality, it's very likely she was asleep in the bed or in 65 00:09:25,732 --> 00:09:28,433 a position of helplessness at the time, 66 00:09:28,535 --> 00:09:32,203 But it's implied he's saving the dog from her. 67 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,306 RAGHAVAN: Blood makes a lot of 68 00:10:08,441 --> 00:10:11,743 people with core psychopathic features feel alive. 69 00:10:11,812 --> 00:10:16,314 While he's not visibly showing a lot of emotion, 70 00:10:16,449 --> 00:10:19,117 the kind of details he provides really 71 00:10:19,252 --> 00:10:21,853 makes you feel like he's enjoying describing it. 72 00:10:41,642 --> 00:10:43,408 [loud sob] 73 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:14,005 SPICE: Uhh. 74 00:11:49,509 --> 00:11:52,010 RAGHAVAN: Why on earth he would put her 75 00:11:52,012 --> 00:11:54,446 in the passenger seat and drive around? 76 00:11:54,547 --> 00:11:57,649 A polite way to put it is it's downright peculiar. 77 00:11:57,717 --> 00:12:01,553 Perhaps he wanted to have a corpse next to him and get 78 00:12:01,621 --> 00:12:03,121 the thrill of driving around 79 00:12:03,123 --> 00:12:06,925 with a dead body -- that would have been no thrill if he put 80 00:12:06,927 --> 00:12:08,526 her in the trunk. 81 00:12:08,528 --> 00:12:11,863 He enjoyed deceiving everybody along the way. 82 00:12:11,965 --> 00:12:14,332 He was able to do that, 83 00:12:14,434 --> 00:12:18,103 didn't seem terribly emotionally distressed over that. 84 00:12:18,205 --> 00:12:21,306 He's describing it with relative calm, 85 00:12:21,408 --> 00:12:23,742 which is all not normal. 86 00:12:23,810 --> 00:12:27,345 Psychopaths don't have the same connectivity to other people. 87 00:12:27,414 --> 00:12:29,914 Other people are objects, they're things, 88 00:12:29,916 --> 00:12:32,650 and they can depersonalize them rather quickly. 89 00:12:32,719 --> 00:12:34,953 And so now that she's dead, 90 00:12:35,055 --> 00:12:37,055 um, she's gone. 91 00:12:37,124 --> 00:12:39,958 I think in his mind, at that particular point, 92 00:12:40,059 --> 00:12:42,560 this was on the way to achieving his ultimate goal. 93 00:13:25,906 --> 00:13:28,406 WOMAN: Donald Spice is so comfortable in a courtroom 94 00:13:28,508 --> 00:13:31,309 he actually stopped for a chat about his case, 95 00:13:31,444 --> 00:13:33,545 the third of his criminal career. 96 00:13:33,613 --> 00:13:35,947 Actually, it's the... 97 00:13:36,016 --> 00:13:39,417 third time of being really stupid. 98 00:13:39,486 --> 00:13:41,553 It was desperation. 99 00:13:41,621 --> 00:13:44,622 WOMAN: Apparently Spice is a pretty desperate person. 100 00:13:44,724 --> 00:13:48,960 He's been here before, though he was a bit shyer six years ago. 101 00:13:49,062 --> 00:13:51,896 This video is from his 1991 case. 102 00:13:51,898 --> 00:13:54,632 Spice was actually on a tether for a previous 103 00:13:54,701 --> 00:13:58,703 B&E when he burglarized the Profile Salon on Alpine. 104 00:13:58,805 --> 00:14:02,040 That same night, spice hit the Alpine Super Wash, 105 00:14:02,141 --> 00:14:03,741 ended up back behind bars, 106 00:14:03,843 --> 00:14:06,444 and yes, the cycle began again. 107 00:14:06,546 --> 00:14:09,914 Spice served five years before getting out last July 108 00:14:09,916 --> 00:14:12,951 and immediately trying to break into another business. 109 00:14:13,019 --> 00:14:17,522 I'm having problems getting money, uh, borrowing money. 110 00:14:17,524 --> 00:14:20,058 WOMAN: But police say it's not about money. 111 00:14:20,159 --> 00:14:23,127 Spice is just addicted to breaking and entering. 112 00:14:23,230 --> 00:14:25,163 No, I am not that -- the police are trying 113 00:14:25,231 --> 00:14:28,600 to make me up to be an obsessive person. 114 00:14:28,602 --> 00:14:31,936 MORGAN: I think he is obsessive. 115 00:14:32,038 --> 00:14:34,606 I think he plans and plots and schemes. 116 00:14:34,608 --> 00:14:37,542 It's a pattern that he will engage in over 117 00:14:37,644 --> 00:14:39,510 and over and over again that he's not gonna stop. 118 00:14:39,512 --> 00:14:41,446 What Donald Spice is obsessed with 119 00:14:41,514 --> 00:14:44,349 is the excitement and the winning. 120 00:14:44,450 --> 00:14:47,018 It's -- it's setting out a plan 121 00:14:47,020 --> 00:14:49,520 and beating other people at something. 122 00:14:49,656 --> 00:14:53,358 There's a progression of the intensity of the crime 123 00:14:53,426 --> 00:14:54,525 so that he could have 124 00:14:54,527 --> 00:14:57,262 more of a thrill and a bigger gain. 125 00:16:16,042 --> 00:16:19,644 RAGHAVAN: Spice was not interested in Lori Vargas 126 00:16:19,746 --> 00:16:22,413 as a beautiful, sensual woman. 127 00:16:22,415 --> 00:16:25,817 I believe he was setting up the murder from the start. 128 00:16:25,819 --> 00:16:28,453 Psychopaths are frequently predators. 129 00:16:28,554 --> 00:16:31,322 And so he likely looked for someone he thought 130 00:16:31,424 --> 00:16:32,657 he could fool, 131 00:16:32,659 --> 00:16:36,928 he thought he could con, he thought he could seduce, 132 00:16:36,930 --> 00:16:39,430 importantly, and then later on, 133 00:16:39,432 --> 00:16:42,700 murder in a way that he thought he could get away with. 134 00:16:42,802 --> 00:16:45,803 MORGAN: Lori Vargas was a mother of two. 135 00:16:45,938 --> 00:16:47,538 She would fall potentially into 136 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:49,540 a category of people who'd be more vulnerable. 137 00:16:49,642 --> 00:16:52,510 Especially, she's working as a single mother. 138 00:16:52,512 --> 00:16:54,846 That pattern fits a targeting pattern 139 00:16:54,948 --> 00:16:57,281 that many psychopaths and sociopaths have. 140 00:16:57,283 --> 00:17:00,218 The irony is that although they don't attach as profoundly 141 00:17:00,353 --> 00:17:03,054 to other people as healthy people do, 142 00:17:03,156 --> 00:17:06,624 they know who needs to feel an attachment. 143 00:17:23,510 --> 00:17:25,510 MORGAN: Yeah, I don't think he's sorry at all. 144 00:17:25,512 --> 00:17:29,213 Donald Spice is framing his actions as something that 145 00:17:29,215 --> 00:17:31,949 are kind -- "I'm really not a monster. 146 00:17:32,052 --> 00:17:33,451 I do kind things." 147 00:17:33,553 --> 00:17:37,055 I see that as the selfish manipulation of his -- of 148 00:17:37,156 --> 00:17:40,525 the image he's trying to convey to the police officer, 149 00:17:40,660 --> 00:17:42,827 try and get maybe a little empathy. 150 00:17:42,929 --> 00:17:45,329 The problem is, is that he sucks at it. 151 00:17:45,465 --> 00:17:48,433 RAGHAVAN: So he's progressing to the end goal. 152 00:17:48,534 --> 00:17:52,103 But along that progress are all of these little things that 153 00:17:52,205 --> 00:17:54,505 are horrific for us, but that give him pleasure. 154 00:17:54,607 --> 00:17:58,142 So the seduction, the killing, then the staging of 155 00:17:58,244 --> 00:18:00,945 the killing, and then he explodes the car, and he gets 156 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,315 pleasure from probably the sheer violence of it, 157 00:18:04,317 --> 00:18:07,051 but also that's part of the storyline that he's created 158 00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:08,019 for himself. 159 00:18:08,021 --> 00:18:14,325 ♪♪ 160 00:18:14,327 --> 00:18:20,264 ♪♪ 161 00:18:20,300 --> 00:18:22,133 MAN: Today, prosecutors laid out evidence 162 00:18:22,202 --> 00:18:24,402 suggesting the murder was preplanned. 163 00:18:24,404 --> 00:18:26,938 They say, months before the murder, someone used 164 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:28,239 Spice's credit card 165 00:18:28,308 --> 00:18:31,442 and his computer to purchase a life insurance 166 00:18:31,511 --> 00:18:33,211 policy on Lori Vargas. 167 00:18:33,213 --> 00:18:36,247 They say Spice was listed as the sole beneficiary. 168 00:18:36,316 --> 00:18:46,324 ♪♪ 169 00:18:46,459 --> 00:18:49,360 MAN: Spice refuted the evidence presented today. 170 00:18:49,429 --> 00:18:51,229 They don't have to prove that. 171 00:18:51,231 --> 00:18:52,930 They have to allege it. 172 00:18:52,932 --> 00:18:54,532 That's it. That's good enough. 173 00:18:54,601 --> 00:18:56,400 I'm guilty until proven innocent. 174 00:18:56,402 --> 00:18:58,202 I'm standing here in cuffs and shackles. 175 00:18:58,337 --> 00:18:59,337 MORGAN: He sounds annoyed. 176 00:18:59,339 --> 00:19:01,806 He sounds angry, which is probably the most 177 00:19:01,808 --> 00:19:04,408 genuine emotion that we have seen from him. 178 00:19:04,511 --> 00:19:07,612 He's even lower on empathy than I imagined. 179 00:19:07,614 --> 00:19:12,216 What we see now is the ruthless planning. 180 00:19:12,218 --> 00:19:13,518 Lori Vargas's murder 181 00:19:13,620 --> 00:19:16,320 is part of a long continuum of criminal 182 00:19:16,322 --> 00:19:19,123 behavior and using other people and taking other 183 00:19:19,225 --> 00:19:20,424 people's things. 184 00:19:20,492 --> 00:19:23,227 RAGHAVAN: And then it escalated to a predatory crime, 185 00:19:23,229 --> 00:19:24,996 where he planned a murder. 186 00:19:24,998 --> 00:19:26,731 And he wanted a big payout where 187 00:19:26,833 --> 00:19:30,535 he could idly and parasitically live off 188 00:19:30,636 --> 00:19:33,838 this insurance -- the thrill of planning 189 00:19:33,973 --> 00:19:36,807 the murder and the thrill of disposing of the body 190 00:19:36,809 --> 00:19:38,943 and the thrill of fooling the police -- 191 00:19:39,045 --> 00:19:41,012 all of that is part of the fantasy. 192 00:19:41,014 --> 00:19:43,114 Mr. Spice has all the characteristics 193 00:19:43,116 --> 00:19:45,149 of a classic psychopath. 194 00:19:45,185 --> 00:19:50,421 ♪♪ 195 00:19:50,523 --> 00:19:54,125 WOMAN: Donald Spice was sentenced to life in prison for 196 00:19:54,260 --> 00:19:57,562 killing his girlfriend and mother of two, Lori Vargas. 197 00:19:57,597 --> 00:20:00,464 Today in court, her two children spoke. 198 00:20:00,533 --> 00:20:04,936 I call him Monster, because he took my mom away from me. 199 00:20:05,037 --> 00:20:06,938 This will affect my life, because I'm 200 00:20:07,073 --> 00:20:09,207 not going to grow up with a mom. 201 00:20:40,607 --> 00:20:47,612 ♪♪ 202 00:20:47,714 --> 00:20:54,952 ♪♪ 203 00:20:55,021 --> 00:20:56,954 ♪♪