1 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,048 MAN: A night of violence in northern Iowa has left 2 00:00:16,150 --> 00:00:20,052 two convenience store clerks dead in two separate shootings. 3 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:24,390 A teenage gunman is accused of murdering a clerk in Algona 4 00:00:24,392 --> 00:00:27,126 and then heading south to gun down another clerk 5 00:00:27,227 --> 00:00:28,794 in Humboldt. 6 00:01:03,764 --> 00:01:06,598 [theme music playing] 7 00:01:14,508 --> 00:01:16,775 MAN: There's this thing inside of me, it's like... 8 00:01:16,777 --> 00:01:18,377 the appetite. 9 00:01:18,379 --> 00:01:20,112 It's like a wolf that's... 10 00:01:20,114 --> 00:01:24,183 filling...the hunger. 11 00:01:24,185 --> 00:01:29,955 ♪♪ 12 00:01:30,023 --> 00:01:36,495 ♪♪ 13 00:02:33,387 --> 00:02:39,057 ♪♪ 14 00:02:42,396 --> 00:02:46,198 [music climbing] 15 00:03:12,927 --> 00:03:16,595 He has a complete disregard for supervision, 16 00:03:16,597 --> 00:03:19,665 for sanctions, for the legal and criminal system. 17 00:03:19,667 --> 00:03:22,467 And that's what we see with very criminally-oriented people. 18 00:03:22,469 --> 00:03:24,303 It's also what we sometimes see with very, 19 00:03:24,371 --> 00:03:25,737 very impulsive people. 20 00:04:09,783 --> 00:04:11,183 MORGAN: I don't believe a statement like, 21 00:04:11,185 --> 00:04:12,618 "I don't know why I took the pistol." 22 00:04:12,620 --> 00:04:16,054 I think that his acquisition of guns and leaving was just 23 00:04:16,123 --> 00:04:19,091 going to be to extend what he'd already been fantasizing about. 24 00:04:19,093 --> 00:04:20,626 He needs to be powerful. 25 00:04:20,661 --> 00:04:22,494 MUNDY: Psychopathic youths, 26 00:04:22,563 --> 00:04:25,163 the literature shows that they are more likely to be carrying 27 00:04:25,165 --> 00:04:27,232 specifically firearms than, say, 28 00:04:27,334 --> 00:04:30,402 a roll of nickels or a knife or some other type of weapon. 29 00:04:30,504 --> 00:04:31,937 Wanting to carry one, 30 00:04:32,039 --> 00:04:33,939 despite knowing you're essentially a fugitive from 31 00:04:34,008 --> 00:04:35,474 the law, and knowing that 32 00:04:35,476 --> 00:04:38,610 it carries really significant consequences with it, 33 00:04:38,679 --> 00:04:40,545 it's just very consistent with psychopathy. 34 00:05:11,912 --> 00:05:14,046 MAN: It all started in Algona, Iowa. 35 00:05:14,114 --> 00:05:16,348 Pretty heartbreaking story and unbelievable. 36 00:05:16,416 --> 00:05:19,217 WOMAN: Investigators say a man wearing a ski mask 37 00:05:19,286 --> 00:05:20,385 walked into the store 38 00:05:20,453 --> 00:05:23,121 and demanded Bowman-Hall put cash and cigarettes 39 00:05:23,190 --> 00:05:24,256 into a duffel bag. 40 00:05:24,324 --> 00:05:26,325 She did, and he shot her. 41 00:05:49,717 --> 00:05:51,116 [bell jingles] 42 00:06:35,162 --> 00:06:37,129 She thought the gun was fake. 43 00:06:37,197 --> 00:06:41,633 She's challenged his power, and he shoots her. 44 00:06:41,701 --> 00:06:43,034 In his case, 45 00:06:43,103 --> 00:06:45,971 going for power is the way he is going 46 00:06:45,973 --> 00:06:48,273 to express his psychopathy. 47 00:06:48,275 --> 00:06:50,675 SAHNI: By standing up and re-enacting, 48 00:06:50,677 --> 00:06:51,943 I think he's showing off. 49 00:06:52,012 --> 00:06:53,245 I think he's proud of what he's done, 50 00:06:53,313 --> 00:06:55,480 and he wants to show someone what he has done. 51 00:06:55,482 --> 00:06:58,283 Swanson is really showing us 52 00:06:58,285 --> 00:07:00,786 all the markers of psychopathic behavior. 53 00:07:07,027 --> 00:07:08,493 SWANSON: Um... 54 00:07:47,568 --> 00:07:49,434 SAHNI: Swanson doesn't have any real emotion. 55 00:07:49,503 --> 00:07:51,403 He's not upset or bothered by 56 00:07:51,405 --> 00:07:53,305 the fact that he took another human being's life. 57 00:07:53,407 --> 00:07:55,540 He is impulsive. 58 00:07:55,609 --> 00:07:57,409 He is detached. 59 00:07:57,511 --> 00:07:59,144 There's just no emotion. 60 00:07:59,246 --> 00:08:01,112 [car engine starting] 61 00:08:41,188 --> 00:08:46,525 When he was 17 years old, in 2010, 62 00:08:46,593 --> 00:08:49,027 just about a month before he committed these murders, 63 00:08:49,095 --> 00:08:50,729 he was evaluated. 64 00:08:50,797 --> 00:08:53,832 Michael was having some sexual and violent themes, and there 65 00:08:53,934 --> 00:08:56,568 was some concern that he had, and the staff had, 66 00:08:56,570 --> 00:08:58,103 about him being impulsive. 67 00:08:58,171 --> 00:09:02,340 Another excerpt says, "I am concerned that he poses a risk 68 00:09:02,409 --> 00:09:06,144 "to society if unmedicated, and even if medicated, 69 00:09:06,146 --> 00:09:08,747 he is still somewhat unpredictable." 70 00:09:08,749 --> 00:09:12,083 That is a very strong conclusion. 71 00:09:12,085 --> 00:09:15,253 If I'm reading this report, and I'm Swanson's family, 72 00:09:15,322 --> 00:09:16,555 I'm scared. 73 00:09:16,557 --> 00:09:20,492 This evaluation is absolutely a warning sign. 74 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,949 His anecdote about being high as a kite means 75 00:09:44,017 --> 00:09:45,517 that he was using enough 76 00:09:45,586 --> 00:09:50,322 to be completely disinhibited in a public space 77 00:09:50,357 --> 00:09:51,790 to take his clothes off. 78 00:09:51,792 --> 00:09:55,393 He has all the characteristic features that should alarm us. 79 00:10:30,897 --> 00:10:34,132 Swanson has this pattern of drug and alcohol use and is 80 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:35,767 willing to try anything and everything. 81 00:10:35,769 --> 00:10:38,637 Thrill-seeking behavior is one of those markers we look for in 82 00:10:38,672 --> 00:10:39,704 psychopathic behavior 83 00:10:39,773 --> 00:10:41,706 and in trying to diagnose psychopathy. 84 00:10:41,775 --> 00:10:45,410 There is a relationship between impulse control 85 00:10:45,479 --> 00:10:46,811 and drug use, and there is 86 00:10:46,946 --> 00:10:49,514 a relationship between impulse control and psychopathy. 87 00:10:49,616 --> 00:10:54,386 People with psychopathy tend to use drugs more. 88 00:10:54,488 --> 00:10:55,553 I think that's similar to what 89 00:10:55,555 --> 00:10:57,155 we're seeing here with Michael Swanson. 90 00:11:55,916 --> 00:11:58,616 WOMAN: 25 miles south, a similar scene. 91 00:11:58,685 --> 00:12:02,287 61-year-old Sheila Myers was shot and killed while 92 00:12:02,289 --> 00:12:05,290 working behind the counter at the Kum & Go in Humboldt. 93 00:12:05,292 --> 00:12:08,059 She's been a clerk at the store for 13 years. 94 00:12:08,128 --> 00:12:15,400 ♪♪ 95 00:12:33,286 --> 00:12:35,286 The fact that it's an hour between the first 96 00:12:35,288 --> 00:12:38,423 and the second kill is behavior that absolutely is 97 00:12:38,458 --> 00:12:39,891 becoming compulsive. 98 00:12:39,893 --> 00:12:44,195 And when you add in an emerging compulsivity with 99 00:12:44,197 --> 00:12:46,297 the fact that he's had impulse control problems 100 00:12:46,333 --> 00:12:48,166 his entire life, 101 00:12:48,168 --> 00:12:51,870 and he's a drug and alcohol abuser who is seeking that 102 00:12:51,872 --> 00:12:54,405 high, and in the process of upping that ante, 103 00:12:54,474 --> 00:12:56,775 we've now gotten to a place where he's murdered someone, 104 00:12:56,877 --> 00:12:59,978 and he liked the high, he liked the thrill, 105 00:12:59,980 --> 00:13:01,880 um, and he needs it again. 106 00:13:59,973 --> 00:14:03,041 He thinks it's just kind of funny, like watching a comedy 107 00:14:03,076 --> 00:14:04,809 show where someone bangs their head on something. 108 00:14:04,945 --> 00:14:08,146 He has a complete lack of empathy about another 109 00:14:08,214 --> 00:14:11,049 human being -- they're just objects. 110 00:14:11,084 --> 00:14:14,419 That indifference is just the hallmark of psychopathy, 111 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:18,256 and it's pretty disturbing, because he's not that old. 112 00:14:45,151 --> 00:14:46,951 SAHNI: He's jovial. He's laughing. 113 00:14:46,987 --> 00:14:49,954 I think that really taps into the high that 114 00:14:50,023 --> 00:14:52,757 he experienced, and also maybe 115 00:14:52,759 --> 00:14:55,059 some budding sadistic tendencies. 116 00:14:55,128 --> 00:14:58,830 This enjoyment that Swanson's showing us is highly consistent 117 00:14:58,932 --> 00:15:00,198 with psychopathic behavior. 118 00:15:26,026 --> 00:15:32,297 ♪♪ 119 00:15:32,299 --> 00:15:37,035 ♪♪ 120 00:15:37,136 --> 00:15:44,242 ♪♪ 121 00:15:44,344 --> 00:15:53,251 ♪♪ 122 00:15:53,319 --> 00:16:02,593 ♪♪ 123 00:16:18,979 --> 00:16:20,545 [coughing] 124 00:16:53,847 --> 00:16:57,982 He's 150% focused on his own well-being, how he's going to 125 00:16:58,051 --> 00:17:00,151 be essentially inconvenienced by his crime, 126 00:17:00,219 --> 00:17:01,686 and where he's going to be sent. 127 00:17:01,788 --> 00:17:03,888 This is classic to psychopaths. 128 00:17:03,957 --> 00:17:06,691 They don't care about others. 129 00:17:08,094 --> 00:17:10,194 It's 100% about him. 130 00:17:39,459 --> 00:17:42,193 MUNDY: Soldiers who have shot enemy 131 00:17:42,195 --> 00:17:45,396 combatants still feel something after that. 132 00:17:45,465 --> 00:17:47,865 He's not talking about an enemy combatant 133 00:17:47,934 --> 00:17:49,233 that he killed in the line of duty. 134 00:17:49,235 --> 00:17:52,103 He's talking about somebody across one or two state lines. 135 00:17:52,105 --> 00:17:54,539 This is so impulsive. This is so pleasure-seeking. 136 00:17:54,607 --> 00:17:56,040 It must be mania. 137 00:17:56,109 --> 00:17:59,110 SAHNI: Swanson is not being straight with himself. 138 00:17:59,178 --> 00:18:01,012 He's not being, I think, honest. 139 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:02,880 I don't actually think it is complicated. 140 00:18:02,982 --> 00:18:05,216 He doesn't feel bad, because he's a psychopath. 141 00:18:07,220 --> 00:18:08,586 It is really that simple. 142 00:18:10,657 --> 00:18:12,690 [phone ringing] 143 00:18:12,792 --> 00:18:17,862 [phone ringing] 144 00:18:17,931 --> 00:18:19,063 [phone line picks up] 145 00:19:04,511 --> 00:19:06,544 Swanson is an entirely different person, 146 00:19:06,612 --> 00:19:09,480 with different tone, different speech pattern. 147 00:19:09,482 --> 00:19:11,682 The pace with which he's talking -- he's alive, 148 00:19:11,817 --> 00:19:13,518 he's animated -- he's experiencing 149 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,153 what feels like a high. 150 00:19:15,221 --> 00:19:18,789 MORGAN: There is a status element in his mind. 151 00:19:18,891 --> 00:19:21,959 He's bragging about what he's done, 152 00:19:22,028 --> 00:19:25,329 and he's acknowledging -- it felt good. 153 00:19:25,398 --> 00:19:28,799 So, these features of the mimicry, the thrill, 154 00:19:28,868 --> 00:19:32,003 the lack of remorse, enjoying it, and bragging 155 00:19:32,071 --> 00:19:35,540 about it, those are significant features of psychopathy. 156 00:19:41,347 --> 00:19:43,781 WOMAN: The prosecution says Michael Swanson did this in 157 00:19:43,883 --> 00:19:46,284 part for the attention he got from it. 158 00:19:46,286 --> 00:19:49,420 The defense says he's insane and doesn't know right 159 00:19:49,455 --> 00:19:50,788 from wrong. 160 00:19:50,890 --> 00:19:52,490 The state then called a psychiatrist, 161 00:19:52,559 --> 00:19:54,392 who interviewed Swanson after the crimes. 162 00:19:54,527 --> 00:19:56,194 He says Swanson told him he'd been 163 00:19:56,262 --> 00:19:58,663 planning to kill since he was 13. 164 00:19:58,665 --> 00:20:02,233 MAN: He said, "I have always been fascinated by death 165 00:20:02,268 --> 00:20:03,601 "and violence, 166 00:20:04,837 --> 00:20:08,873 "and it was something that I wanted to do -- murder, 167 00:20:08,942 --> 00:20:11,609 rape, and cannibalism." 168 00:20:11,711 --> 00:20:15,112 WOMAN: Swanson's mother broke down when the doctor said this. 169 00:20:15,214 --> 00:20:18,115 His original plan was 170 00:20:19,385 --> 00:20:21,185 to kill his parents. 171 00:20:21,187 --> 00:20:23,387 Those were the first two people he wanted killed. 172 00:20:23,389 --> 00:20:27,892 He's fully capable of deliberating, premeditating, 173 00:20:27,994 --> 00:20:30,294 and forming the specific intent to kill. 174 00:20:30,296 --> 00:20:34,398 MAN: Verdict number one, we find the defendant 175 00:20:34,434 --> 00:20:37,235 guilty of murder in the first degree. 176 00:20:37,303 --> 00:20:42,039 MAN: Even after a jury convicted Michael Swanson, he smiled. 177 00:20:42,108 --> 00:20:45,176 WOMAN: Mr. Swanson, how do you feel about the verdict? 178 00:20:45,178 --> 00:20:47,178 -Oh, I'm good. -MAN: Earlier in the day, 179 00:20:47,180 --> 00:20:49,680 Swanson added two obscene gestures to that 180 00:20:49,782 --> 00:20:51,148 ever-present smile. 181 00:20:51,250 --> 00:20:57,788 ♪♪