1 00:00:17,283 --> 00:00:20,185 ♪ 2 00:01:06,032 --> 00:01:08,867 [theme music playing] 3 00:01:15,875 --> 00:01:18,677 MAN: There's this thing inside of me, it's like... 4 00:01:18,745 --> 00:01:20,145 the appetite. 5 00:01:20,213 --> 00:01:21,980 It's like a wolf that's... 6 00:01:22,048 --> 00:01:26,051 filling... the hunger. 7 00:01:35,462 --> 00:01:42,367 ♪ 8 00:01:42,435 --> 00:01:44,970 ♪ 9 00:02:35,522 --> 00:02:37,589 SAHNI: I think Sampson planned to return 10 00:02:37,624 --> 00:02:39,658 to New England, where he grew up. 11 00:02:39,726 --> 00:02:41,260 I think how he was gonna get there, 12 00:02:41,294 --> 00:02:43,695 who he was gonna take out in the process, and how he was 13 00:02:43,763 --> 00:02:45,797 gonna take them out was totally impulsive. 14 00:02:45,865 --> 00:02:48,133 It was opportunistic crime, 15 00:02:48,201 --> 00:02:51,503 and the fact that he could steal someone's car 16 00:02:51,538 --> 00:02:53,605 and someone's money and also take their life at 17 00:02:53,673 --> 00:02:56,375 the same time, and it all be impulsive is part of 18 00:02:56,442 --> 00:02:59,244 what makes Sampson as dangerous as he is. 19 00:02:59,279 --> 00:03:02,581 Sampson turned himself in so willingly, potentially, because 20 00:03:02,615 --> 00:03:06,885 he wanted to have control over his apprehension. 21 00:03:06,953 --> 00:03:08,187 It could be self-defeating, 22 00:03:08,221 --> 00:03:11,056 but control is what psychopaths like to have. 23 00:03:53,333 --> 00:03:54,433 SAHNI: I don't think he was crying. 24 00:03:55,935 --> 00:03:58,737 I have a very difficult time believing 25 00:03:58,805 --> 00:04:03,508 that a psychopathic person like Sampson is 26 00:04:03,576 --> 00:04:05,043 in touch with any level of 27 00:04:05,078 --> 00:04:07,779 emotion or empathy or regret or remorse. 28 00:06:28,955 --> 00:06:32,424 The level of force and violence he uses is so much 29 00:06:32,458 --> 00:06:34,559 greater than what is necessary to 30 00:06:34,627 --> 00:06:37,129 subdue his victim and accomplish his goal 31 00:06:37,163 --> 00:06:40,599 that you really have to think of it as overkill. 32 00:06:40,666 --> 00:06:42,834 BERRILL: This is a killing that reflects rage. 33 00:06:42,902 --> 00:06:45,570 It doesn't reflect an instrumental desire to 34 00:06:45,638 --> 00:06:49,274 just get rid of this guy and then grab his car. 35 00:06:49,308 --> 00:06:50,709 I mean, he really did him in. 36 00:06:50,743 --> 00:06:53,545 So the question is why? 37 00:08:02,315 --> 00:08:04,683 BERRILL: I believe him when he says he has no remorse. 38 00:08:04,717 --> 00:08:10,021 Psychopaths get the idea that this is what people or society 39 00:08:10,056 --> 00:08:11,690 would expect of them for doing 40 00:08:11,757 --> 00:08:15,360 something bad, but they just say, "I don't feel it." 41 00:08:15,428 --> 00:08:17,529 There's something defective in the wiring, you know, 42 00:08:17,597 --> 00:08:18,630 there's no doubt about it. 43 00:09:07,713 --> 00:09:10,916 Sampson's obsession with and desire 44 00:09:10,983 --> 00:09:13,451 to maintain cleanliness, to present well, 45 00:09:13,486 --> 00:09:14,786 to have nice clothes on, 46 00:09:14,854 --> 00:09:18,123 it's part of his ability to manipulate people. 47 00:09:18,190 --> 00:09:20,792 It's part of his ability to navigate environments 48 00:09:20,860 --> 00:09:22,093 and blend in. 49 00:09:22,128 --> 00:09:25,530 He has a very strong ability to be a chameleon, and that 50 00:09:25,598 --> 00:09:27,198 certainly makes him a more dangerous psychopath, 51 00:09:27,266 --> 00:09:30,435 because he is able to blend in in a variety of environments. 52 00:10:56,656 --> 00:10:59,658 He's trying to, uh, essentially seduce them 53 00:10:59,725 --> 00:11:01,693 and make them feel comfortable, 54 00:11:01,761 --> 00:11:04,729 despite the fact that he knows he's gonna kill them. 55 00:11:04,797 --> 00:11:08,466 So it's manipulative, smart, 56 00:11:08,501 --> 00:11:10,669 and I think it reveals a level 57 00:11:10,736 --> 00:11:13,972 of sadism, too, because he knows what he's gonna do. 58 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:16,207 So interestingly, he doesn't have 59 00:11:16,275 --> 00:11:18,910 to frighten them and terrorize them. 60 00:11:20,046 --> 00:11:22,914 SAHNI: His notion of what he's gonna do does start to 61 00:11:22,982 --> 00:11:26,418 speak to maybe some compulsion that is now starting to emerge, 62 00:11:26,452 --> 00:11:27,686 that there's a ritual, there's a script 63 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:29,354 on how this is supposed to go. 64 00:11:53,913 --> 00:11:57,315 SAHNI: It seems clear to me that Sampson has more sadistic 65 00:11:57,349 --> 00:11:59,184 fantasies than he's willing to let on, 66 00:11:59,251 --> 00:12:02,320 while he identifies himself as someone who is not a sadist. 67 00:12:02,354 --> 00:12:05,590 For sadistic violent offenders, 68 00:12:05,658 --> 00:12:10,662 the high, or the arousal, comes from simply watching fear. 69 00:12:10,730 --> 00:12:13,431 And for Sampson, if this is early in his experience with 70 00:12:13,499 --> 00:12:15,166 sadism, over time, 71 00:12:15,234 --> 00:12:18,103 what I would expect is that he's gonna need more to get 72 00:12:18,137 --> 00:12:19,304 that same high. 73 00:14:32,204 --> 00:14:34,472 TUSSEY: The fact that Sampson reported that his father 74 00:14:34,540 --> 00:14:39,344 abused him does make me wonder if the choice for his victims, 75 00:14:39,378 --> 00:14:42,080 the fact that they're all males, is intentional, 76 00:14:42,114 --> 00:14:46,784 and perhaps he has a vendetta against men in general. 77 00:14:46,819 --> 00:14:49,854 Maybe he was abused by other males in his life, as well. 78 00:14:49,922 --> 00:14:57,729 ♪ 79 00:16:10,669 --> 00:16:13,871 BERRILL: Sampson is becoming increasingly brazen. 80 00:16:15,074 --> 00:16:18,242 That is typical of psychopathy. 81 00:16:19,645 --> 00:16:21,012 You have a sense that he's flying 82 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:22,513 by the seat of his pants, you know? 83 00:16:22,548 --> 00:16:24,515 So he's willing to do almost anything. 84 00:18:06,652 --> 00:18:10,321 It's interesting that he didn't want any blood on him. 85 00:18:12,224 --> 00:18:14,158 Killing someone is not upsetting to him, 86 00:18:14,193 --> 00:18:17,862 but -- but getting messed up physically, 87 00:18:17,930 --> 00:18:20,698 dirtied, that's really unappealing to him. 88 00:18:23,235 --> 00:18:26,437 SAHNI: Sampson has now changed his method of killing. 89 00:18:26,505 --> 00:18:28,940 For people who have child trauma, 90 00:18:29,007 --> 00:18:31,776 or sexual trauma, that cleaning up is part of the ritual of 91 00:18:31,810 --> 00:18:33,010 feeling okay, 92 00:18:33,078 --> 00:18:35,179 but he didn't want to go through the ritual of having to 93 00:18:35,247 --> 00:18:39,083 clean himself up, and he's dabbling now in that arousal 94 00:18:39,118 --> 00:18:40,384 that is sadism. 95 00:18:40,419 --> 00:18:43,354 He's trying out something else to see if he likes it more, 96 00:18:43,388 --> 00:18:46,124 if he likes it differently, what kind of high it gives him. 97 00:19:14,653 --> 00:19:17,722 WOMAN: William Gregory narrowly escaped the fate of Sampson's 98 00:19:17,789 --> 00:19:19,056 other victims. 99 00:19:19,091 --> 00:19:20,725 And then I got to the rest area, 100 00:19:20,792 --> 00:19:23,327 where I pulled over and left the car 101 00:19:23,395 --> 00:19:26,697 in drive and ran from -- out of the side of the car to the rear, 102 00:19:26,765 --> 00:19:30,067 and then he tried to run me down in reverse with the car. 103 00:19:30,135 --> 00:19:32,637 WOMAN: Gregory ran, climbing a bank, 104 00:19:32,704 --> 00:19:34,972 hiding in the trees till Sampson was gone. 105 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:41,746 ♪ 106 00:20:31,463 --> 00:20:33,030 SAHNI: He blames the FBI. 107 00:20:33,065 --> 00:20:35,633 Samson's position is none of these people had to die. 108 00:20:35,701 --> 00:20:38,469 His lack of attachment to people, 109 00:20:38,503 --> 00:20:41,038 his matter-of-fact, glib attitude, is very, 110 00:20:41,106 --> 00:20:43,107 very consistent with what we see in psychopaths.