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Man: This is one of the most,
if not the most, heinous,

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Atrocious, and cruel case that
I've been involved with

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In my 24 years
as a district attorney.

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Man: There's a thing inside
of me, it's like...

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The appetite.

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It's like a wolf that's...

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Filling...The hunger.

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Woman: Friends described
lisa underwood as

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A super responsible mom
and businesswoman.

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She lives with
her seven-year-old son, jayden,

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In north fort worth.

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We called hospitals
before we called

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The police because she is
seven months pregnant.

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Woman: Lisa's 2002 dodge durango
is also missing.

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We are talking
to a number of people,

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Many of which are very close
to miss underwood.

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Someone laughing while his
ex-girlfriend is missing might

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Feel really cold
and callous and unemotional.

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Tussey: It's really striking
that he's comparing women to

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A buffet line when he's being
investigated for a potential

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Double homicide.

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He objectifies them.

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He describes them as
something to be

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Consumed cheaply.

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So he was married, and he was
having an affair with lisa,

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But just lying doesn't
make you a psychopath.

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It makes you a liar.

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Tussey: One of the trades of
psychopathy is grandiosity,

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And it seems he perceives
himself to be

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Intellectually superior

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And can maybe get around
whatever it is

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They're trying to get at.

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Woman: Dodd said
he got a call from barbee

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Saying he'd run out of gas.

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Dodd took the gas to barbee
on farm road 407.

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He said once there,

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Barbee opened the back of
a blue suv, and that dodd saw

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The bodies of a woman
and child in the back.

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They're letting him know
they think he killed her.

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And for someone to go,
well, that's very upsetting,

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Or that upsets me...

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It could be a sign
of shallow affect.

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If it's something
quite serious, like a murder,

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We would expect to see
a greater expression of

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Anger or sadness.

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[ blows nose loudly ]

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[ sniffles ]

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She had broken ribs, um,
and lots

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Of damage to and around
her face,

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Which meant that he had to
have been

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Either kneeling on top of her
or hitting her.

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She had multiple bruises.

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So this felt superficial
to me.

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I didn't feel like it was

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A genuine display of emotional
distress about a victim.

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To say, "I didn't hurt him,
I just closed his mouth."

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He's crying, sobbing almost as
if he pitied himself in this

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Terrible situation he was in,

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Rather than the situation that
he voluntarily entered into.

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Man: In a wooded area,

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Investigators finally
made the discovery.

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We know that
the grave contains

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The bodies of a female
and a male consistent

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With the ages of lisa
underwood and her son, jayden.

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There's a lot of focus on how
his life is ruined, how he's

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Going to go to jail for a long
time, and how his life is over,

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Which I think also exemplifies
that callous lack of empathy

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That is seen in psychopaths.

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And I hear so much more
of his pitifulness

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And "poor me" than I see any
genuine expression of remorse.

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Man: Two days of searching for
10-year-old jamie rose bolin

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Came to a devastating end
Friday afternoon

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Here in the town of
purcell, oklahoma.

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Man: Uh, this is
one of the most,

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If not the most, heinous,

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Atrocious, and cruel case that
I've been involved with

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In my 24 years
as a district attorney.

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It's a form of what we call
a behavioral tryout,

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And sometimes you see that
with these individuals.

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They'll start mutilating, um,

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Dolls or something as a way of
kind of living the fantasy,

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And that no longer
is sufficient,

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Which is why they select
actual victims.

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Well, it's kind of a weird
indifference, you know?

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I mean, it really wasn't
important to him

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What her name was --
a lot of times,

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Particularly with
serial killers,

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They're looking for a type.

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So what does it matter what
the person's name is?

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He found
a vulnerable victim.

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He has been relying
on the virtual world,

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So he may have interacted
with people who had

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Similar interests.

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Berrill: I'm not sure
he's fully grasping

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How unusual, how bizarre
his thinking is.

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Berrill: Some psychopaths have
difficulty controlling

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Their impulses.

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He, in this case, impresses
as relatively immature.

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You know, someone who is
socially sort of backward

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In some ways.

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There's a lot of
impulsive behavior here,

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But not a lot of forethought
about what the consequences

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It shows a lack of
appreciation of what he's done.

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He's completed the act.

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He's done what he's wanted to
do, and then he moves on.

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Berrill: And he knows
what he just did,

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And there doesn't seem
to be any remorse.

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Katsavdakis:
"I had a horrible 24 hours.

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"that girl that lives
upstairs from me

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"went missing last night,

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"and I've been worried sick ever
since, mainly with the worry

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"that I was going to be named
a suspect and the police

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"would trash my apartment,
searching it while I was

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"at work.

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I've hardly ate in 24 hours."

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I don't necessarily know
or believe that

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He's actually anxious.

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I think he has some kind of

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Cognitive understanding that
he's gonna get in trouble.

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So the reaction he's having is
more about being apprehended,

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Um, and then, potentially,

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"I may not have an opportunity
to do this again."

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Berrill: "I'm afraid the cops
would come into my apartment

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"and see all my horror movies

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And documentaries about
serial killers."

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His screen name
is subspecies23,

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Which is an interesting
choice of name.

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It's almost like
an acknowledgment

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That he himself is

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A subspecies, that really --

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That he's not quite human.

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