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Man: This is one of the most, if not the most, heinous,
Atrocious, and cruel case that I've been involved with
In my 24 years as a district attorney.
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Man: There's a thing inside of me, it's like...
The appetite.
It's like a wolf that's...
Filling...The hunger.
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Woman: Friends described lisa underwood as
A super responsible mom and businesswoman.
She lives with her seven-year-old son, jayden,
In north fort worth.
We called hospitals before we called
The police because she is seven months pregnant.
Woman: Lisa's 2002 dodge durango is also missing.
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We are talking to a number of people,
Many of which are very close to miss underwood.
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Someone laughing while his ex-girlfriend is missing might
Feel really cold and callous and unemotional.
Tussey: It's really striking that he's comparing women to
A buffet line when he's being investigated for a potential
Double homicide.
He objectifies them.
He describes them as something to be
Consumed cheaply.
So he was married, and he was having an affair with lisa,
But just lying doesn't make you a psychopath.
It makes you a liar.
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Tussey: One of the trades of psychopathy is grandiosity,
And it seems he perceives himself to be
Intellectually superior
And can maybe get around whatever it is
They're trying to get at.
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Woman: Dodd said he got a call from barbee
Saying he'd run out of gas.
Dodd took the gas to barbee on farm road 407.
He said once there,
Barbee opened the back of a blue suv, and that dodd saw
The bodies of a woman and child in the back.
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They're letting him know they think he killed her.
And for someone to go, well, that's very upsetting,
Or that upsets me...
It could be a sign of shallow affect.
If it's something quite serious, like a murder,
We would expect to see a greater expression of
Anger or sadness.
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[ blows nose loudly ]
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[ sniffles ]
She had broken ribs, um, and lots
Of damage to and around her face,
Which meant that he had to have been
Either kneeling on top of her or hitting her.
She had multiple bruises.
So this felt superficial to me.
I didn't feel like it was
A genuine display of emotional distress about a victim.
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To say, "I didn't hurt him, I just closed his mouth."
He's crying, sobbing almost as if he pitied himself in this
Terrible situation he was in,
Rather than the situation that he voluntarily entered into.
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Man: In a wooded area,
Investigators finally made the discovery.
We know that the grave contains
The bodies of a female and a male consistent
With the ages of lisa underwood and her son, jayden.
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There's a lot of focus on how his life is ruined, how he's
Going to go to jail for a long time, and how his life is over,
Which I think also exemplifies that callous lack of empathy
That is seen in psychopaths.
And I hear so much more of his pitifulness
And "poor me" than I see any genuine expression of remorse.
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Man: Two days of searching for 10-year-old jamie rose bolin
Came to a devastating end Friday afternoon
Here in the town of purcell, oklahoma.
Man: Uh, this is one of the most,
If not the most, heinous,
Atrocious, and cruel case that I've been involved with
In my 24 years as a district attorney.
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It's a form of what we call a behavioral tryout,
And sometimes you see that with these individuals.
They'll start mutilating, um,
Dolls or something as a way of kind of living the fantasy,
And that no longer is sufficient,
Which is why they select actual victims.
Well, it's kind of a weird indifference, you know?
I mean, it really wasn't important to him
What her name was -- a lot of times,
Particularly with serial killers,
They're looking for a type.
So what does it matter what the person's name is?
He found a vulnerable victim.
He has been relying on the virtual world,
So he may have interacted with people who had
Similar interests.
Berrill: I'm not sure he's fully grasping
How unusual, how bizarre his thinking is.
Berrill: Some psychopaths have difficulty controlling
Their impulses.
He, in this case, impresses as relatively immature.
You know, someone who is socially sort of backward
In some ways.
There's a lot of impulsive behavior here,
But not a lot of forethought about what the consequences
Would be.
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It shows a lack of appreciation of what he's done.
He's completed the act.
He's done what he's wanted to do, and then he moves on.
Berrill: And he knows what he just did,
And there doesn't seem to be any remorse.
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Katsavdakis: "I had a horrible 24 hours.
"that girl that lives upstairs from me
"went missing last night,
"and I've been worried sick ever since, mainly with the worry
"that I was going to be named a suspect and the police
"would trash my apartment, searching it while I was
"at work.
I've hardly ate in 24 hours."
I don't necessarily know or believe that
He's actually anxious.
I think he has some kind of
Cognitive understanding that he's gonna get in trouble.
So the reaction he's having is more about being apprehended,
Um, and then, potentially,
"I may not have an opportunity to do this again."
Berrill: "I'm afraid the cops would come into my apartment
"and see all my horror movies
And documentaries about serial killers."
His screen name is subspecies23,
Which is an interesting choice of name.
It's almost like an acknowledgment
That he himself is
A subspecies, that really --
That he's not quite human.
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