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Yes, I have tears
coming down my face.

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'cause haven't seen you wipe
your nose or wipe an eye.

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Reporter: An unthinkable tragedy
unfolding right now

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At southwood middle school
in miami-dade.

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Man: There's a thing inside
of me, it's like...

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The appetite.

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It's like a wolf that's...

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Filling...With hunger.

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I feel horrible
about what I did.

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Raghavan: His tone is
in a detached factual.

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When we speak
with emotion in our voice,

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What we're actually doing is
expressing how we feel,

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Which is why the voice is

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So reflective and expressive
and modulates.

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If we don't experience
a richness of emotions,

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Then our voice is going to be
somewhat flat

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Or somewhat controlled.

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Morgan: One of
the characteristics

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Of psychopathy is that
they're manipulative.

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They have a goal,
they have an agenda.

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They don't share it with
you necessarily,

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But they're constantly
monitoring the environment

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Around them to see how,

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When, and if it provides them
an opportunity to go ahead

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And do what they want to do.

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Raghavan: His journal is
really interesting.

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You see him
exploring identities

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Of serial killers
and mass murderers.

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He starts to make plans,
and then there's clear fantasies

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Where he's drawing how he'd
like to kill his victims.

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At the bottom, he's written,
"will become a serial killer."

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[ bell rings ]

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If you're egocentric,
then you can

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Manipulate the reality
as you want,

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Feed it in the way
that you want.

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He had a plan,

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And the plan had
an order to it,

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And...
Andre didn't buy it,

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Andre didn't trust him.

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And when the plan didn't go
as it worked,

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He couldn't
adjust immediately.

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The anticipation of
the killing

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Probably gave him
intense pleasure.

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He wants to get it right,

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And getting it right
is exciting.

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The actual planning
is very exciting.

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Detective: Yes.

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Detective: Yes.

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Raghavan: He might be
getting more excited at

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Remembering what he did
and reliving the incident.

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Not all psychopaths
want to tell their story.

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Those are the ones
we don't catch.

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And then there's the sort
that have more narcissistic, um,

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Traits who want witnesses,
who want admiration, who want,

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Um, people to see how smart,
how violent,

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How callous,
how special they are.

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Detective: Okay.

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Detective: Right.

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Morgan: We see that lying
comes very easy to psychopaths.

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People who have psychopathy,
they do not

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Feel a sense of guilt
or shame.

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The lying is simply
in the service of

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Still getting you to do
what they want.

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That's a very slick
automatic response,

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And he has no intention
of not killing him.

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He has no intention
of letting him live,

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But he figures that will
probably keep him

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From panicking.

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Detective: Okay.

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Hernandez: Yes.

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Detective: Okay.

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He's becoming more animated
as he speeds up,

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And he's talking about it.

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Raghavan: He might be getting
more excited at remembering

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What he did
and reliving the incident,

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Because that moment is
just intoxicating.

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It's exhilarating,
and hernandez

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Didn't expect to feel
that excited

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Or that alive.

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He has no empathy,
therefore he has no loyalty,

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And he has no attachment.

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So he was simply
someone that he felt

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He could successfully
dominate and kill.

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He believes
what he's doing is right,

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But he knows
it's legally wrong.

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We're all adhering
to rules of

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Morality and a moral value
to something,

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And he's saying, yeah,
that's not my rule.

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Reporter:
In the courtroom today,

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Michael hernandez, now 17,
the accused killer.

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You took his life --
why, michael?

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Why?
He was your friend, michael.

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He was your friend.

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Reporter: The state told jurors
the murder was carried out

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By a 14-year-old

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Who knew right from wrong,
because he tried

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Hiding the crime.

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Man: The defendant is guilty of
first-degree murder as charged.

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Reporter: With that verdict,
michael hernandez sat

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Silent, emotionless,

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Staring straight at a jury
that just send him to prison

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For life.

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What was stupid
was you didn't think

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That I was smart enough
to listen to your calls.

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I feel horrible
about what I did.

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And it hurts me how --
how senseless it was,

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Because he was always such
a good friend to me.

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Do you have any tears
coming down your face?

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Yes, I have tears
coming down my face.

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Because I haven't seen you
wipe your nose or wipe an eye.

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Morgan: I think he's feeling
annoyed -- she's poking at him.

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She's saying,
"you're lying,"

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And I think he probably thinks
he did a pretty good job of

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Trying to sound sorry.

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I mean,
that is one difficulty

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That psychopaths really
can't appreciate.

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Since they have no empathy,

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They often can't appreciate
how they're perceived,

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Because they're -- they're --
they're shallow affect,

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And that's what you'd call
his attempt at crying.

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It's got the form of it,
but there's no feeling.

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I don't think he believes
it's wrong,

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But he's learned how to say
it over the years

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That what he did was wrong.

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The facade that you see

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Is not the facade that he is.

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Girlfriend: Yeah.

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[ girlfriend laughing ]

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Girlfriend: Mm-hmm.

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[ girlfriend laughing ]

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[ girlfriend laughing ]

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-Got a paper clip in there?
-No, ma'am.

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-Got a knife?
-No, ma'am.

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How'd you muster up those tears?

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I feel horrible
about what I did.

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The remorse you show

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Because you think, quote,
"the judge is a piece [bleep]."

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-Right?
-No, ma'am, I don't think that.

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You said that, though, right?

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I did say it, and it was
a horrible, stupid thing to say.

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What was stupid
was you didn't think

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That I was smart enough

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To listen to your calls.

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Morgan: He doesn't even
apologize to the judge,

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Which, you know,

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If I said something
really stupid and now I know

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This person has
decision-making capacity,

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You might say, "I really
apologize for that.

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It was --
it was disrespectful."

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People who have psychopathy
don't feel that.

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They do not feel a sense
of guilt or shame.

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So I think that exchange is
really telling that

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He -- he doesn't get it,
and she's joking about it,

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But he's being serious.

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It's not the behavior
we'd expect to see

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With someone if they had
genuinely changed.

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[ girlfriend laughing ]

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He's hoping someone
will make a movie about him.

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I'm compelled
to reach a conclusion

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That I never wanted to reach,

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And that conclusion is that
the defendant,

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Michael hernandez, today is
essentially the same kind of

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Person he was in 2004 --
accordingly,

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The court adjudicates
the defendant guilty of

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The first-degree murder
of jamie gough

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And sentences him
to life in prison.

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Man: This was something,
you know, terrifying,

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Because look at him, you know,
12 years ago,

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And he hasn't changed.

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He has not changed.

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He's there and the same way
or worse.

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