1 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:27,700 Detectives with the major case squad 2 00:00:27,700 --> 00:00:30,000 tell me that 68-year-old Daniel Taylor was murdered. 3 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:31,467 tell me that 68-year-old Daniel Taylor was murdered. 4 00:00:31,467 --> 00:00:34,433 Police are confident that he knew the suspects. 5 00:00:46,500 --> 00:00:49,467 [theme music playing] 6 00:00:56,166 --> 00:00:58,533 MAN: The thing inside of me, it's like... 7 00:01:00,166 --> 00:01:01,734 the appetite -- it's like a wolf that's... 8 00:01:03,867 --> 00:01:06,800 feeling the hunger. 9 00:01:15,734 --> 00:01:17,367 MAN: We're learning new information about 10 00:01:17,367 --> 00:01:19,467 a suspicious death in Collinsville, Illinois, 11 00:01:19,467 --> 00:01:21,066 when the major case squad was called in to 12 00:01:21,066 --> 00:01:23,467 investigate after an elderly man 13 00:01:23,467 --> 00:01:25,333 was found dead inside of his home. 14 00:02:39,967 --> 00:02:42,634 Heisch is doing something we call impression managing. 15 00:02:42,734 --> 00:02:44,734 She's taking control of the narrative. 16 00:02:44,734 --> 00:02:46,266 She's trying to control the outcome of 17 00:02:46,266 --> 00:02:48,533 the investigation, but what she's also doing 18 00:02:48,533 --> 00:02:51,166 is trying to manipulate the investigators. 19 00:02:51,166 --> 00:02:53,533 She's trying to build a bridge with them so that they 20 00:02:53,533 --> 00:02:56,533 see her as this innocent individual 21 00:02:56,533 --> 00:02:58,233 who's just trying to be helpful. 22 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:15,533 HEISCH: Yeah. 23 00:03:33,100 --> 00:03:34,233 DETECTIVE: Mm-hmm. 24 00:03:57,166 --> 00:03:58,166 HEISCH: Uh-uh. 25 00:04:00,500 --> 00:04:01,600 HEISCH: Uh-uh. 26 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,166 Eva Heisch he has been not cooperating for a month. 27 00:04:04,166 --> 00:04:05,734 This person that she was friends with, 28 00:04:05,734 --> 00:04:09,600 she went to his house, and yet there's really no indication 29 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:14,266 that she's sad about his death or curious about his murder. 30 00:04:14,266 --> 00:04:18,000 She does have an interesting insight into his finances, 31 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,066 which most people wouldn't know. 32 00:04:20,066 --> 00:04:23,000 DERIGHT: That's a red flag, because it's giving them 33 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:24,700 a sense that she knows 34 00:04:24,700 --> 00:04:27,467 when he has more money and less money, 35 00:04:27,467 --> 00:04:29,266 and she's paying attention to that. 36 00:04:29,266 --> 00:04:30,000 The investigator is asking Heisch, you know, 37 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,166 The investigator is asking Heisch, you know, 38 00:04:32,166 --> 00:04:35,634 there's no reason why we would find any of your fluids there, 39 00:04:35,734 --> 00:04:38,066 right, and her answer is not, "No." 40 00:04:38,100 --> 00:04:39,800 Her answer is, "I don't think so." 41 00:04:39,900 --> 00:04:41,967 She's leaving the door open a little bit later just 42 00:04:41,967 --> 00:04:44,900 in case she needs to tweak her story a little bit. 43 00:06:53,900 --> 00:06:56,634 Here, she's just describing all these, 44 00:06:56,634 --> 00:07:00,266 what she describes as really traumatic experiences 45 00:07:00,266 --> 00:07:03,467 that she had with hardly any questioning at all. 46 00:07:03,467 --> 00:07:06,533 She's just freely offering this information, and that's 47 00:07:06,533 --> 00:07:09,900 so unusual in someone who's experienced a real trauma. 48 00:07:09,900 --> 00:07:12,433 She's offering up this information to 49 00:07:12,500 --> 00:07:14,967 really have a sympathetic view of herself, 50 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,266 to say, "I've been traumatized by murder before. 51 00:07:18,333 --> 00:07:21,734 "I'm not someone who could possibly commit a murder. 52 00:07:21,734 --> 00:07:22,935 Don't pay attention to me." 53 00:07:22,935 --> 00:07:24,266 Don't pay attention to me." 54 00:07:24,266 --> 00:07:26,266 SAHNI: Eva Heisch is someone who's been 55 00:07:26,333 --> 00:07:27,533 around law enforcement quite a bit. 56 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,166 She has a very lengthy criminal history that 57 00:07:30,166 --> 00:07:32,734 dates back to her childhood and her adolescence. 58 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,000 This is a woman who knows the legal system, 59 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:36,467 she knows the criminal justice system, 60 00:07:36,467 --> 00:07:40,166 she knows cops, and she knows how to manipulate cops. 61 00:07:40,166 --> 00:07:41,634 Her choice of the tone 62 00:07:41,634 --> 00:07:45,467 she's using, the little girl semantics and body language, 63 00:07:45,467 --> 00:07:47,867 she's turtled in on herself physically. 64 00:07:47,900 --> 00:07:51,433 She looks like someone who needs protecting. 65 00:08:19,900 --> 00:08:22,100 TUSSEY: She's hiding her face, and you can't see if 66 00:08:22,100 --> 00:08:22,935 she's crying or what sort of emotional expression she has. 67 00:08:22,935 --> 00:08:26,066 she's crying or what sort of emotional expression she has. 68 00:08:26,100 --> 00:08:28,166 And it's interesting that she points out 69 00:08:28,166 --> 00:08:30,433 that there's no stopping Jessie when he's mad. 70 00:08:30,500 --> 00:08:31,867 But, you know, why was he mad? 71 00:08:31,867 --> 00:08:34,634 They supposedly just went there to get gas money 72 00:08:34,634 --> 00:08:37,367 from this victim, according to her side of the story. 73 00:08:37,367 --> 00:08:41,000 So there's just a lot of parts of her interview 74 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,734 that aren't really adding up and making sense. 75 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:09,533 People that are psychopathic, people like Eva Heisch, 76 00:10:09,533 --> 00:10:13,166 have a high need for control -- Heisch is in damage control mode 77 00:10:13,166 --> 00:10:15,967 and she's in panic mode, because now she's losing 78 00:10:15,967 --> 00:10:17,367 control of the situation. 79 00:10:17,367 --> 00:10:20,734 But the part that is pathological lying and is 80 00:10:20,734 --> 00:10:24,734 compulsive is the part of her that just continues 81 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:28,066 to tell them things and fill in gaps without thinking about 82 00:10:28,066 --> 00:10:31,000 the fact that they can be verified. 83 00:10:46,266 --> 00:10:48,533 Now she is using, "I blacked out. 84 00:10:48,634 --> 00:10:54,734 I don't remember," as a feigning of something very convenient to 85 00:10:54,734 --> 00:10:57,367 make blame go away from her, and when she's backed 86 00:10:57,433 --> 00:10:59,467 into a corner like she is right now, 87 00:10:59,467 --> 00:11:03,166 she's instead just trying to shut down and say, 88 00:11:03,166 --> 00:11:04,657 "I have no information for you. I have no lies for you." 89 00:11:04,657 --> 00:11:06,800 "I have no information for you. I have no lies for you." 90 00:11:49,367 --> 00:11:51,734 She contradicts herself in these statements 91 00:11:51,734 --> 00:11:54,367 in that she says, "I was tortured by him," 92 00:11:54,367 --> 00:11:56,900 which suggests this is someone who is well aware 93 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:58,734 of his potential for violence. 94 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:02,066 But then she says that she had no way of knowing he would 95 00:12:02,066 --> 00:12:04,066 react to the victim the way he did. 96 00:12:04,100 --> 00:12:04,657 To the rest of us who live in the real world, 97 00:12:04,657 --> 00:12:06,467 To the rest of us who live in the real world, 98 00:12:06,533 --> 00:12:09,600 who are not out to lunch, who don't double down on lies, 99 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,433 this is not even believable. 100 00:13:43,367 --> 00:13:45,166 She's even saying, "Hey, help." 101 00:13:45,166 --> 00:13:46,500 Basically, "Listen to me. 102 00:13:46,500 --> 00:13:50,166 "Don't you want to hear about my story and how I'm not really 103 00:13:50,166 --> 00:13:53,166 the perpetrator of this?" And when they're not listening, 104 00:13:53,233 --> 00:13:54,600 she becomes enraged. 105 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,734 And that's something that we see in individuals who 106 00:13:57,734 --> 00:13:59,367 have psychopathic traits, 107 00:13:59,367 --> 00:14:03,066 is this inability to control emotions in 108 00:14:03,100 --> 00:14:04,266 the appropriate way 109 00:14:04,266 --> 00:14:04,657 and instead lash out, especially when they're losing 110 00:14:04,657 --> 00:14:06,634 and instead lash out, especially when they're losing 111 00:14:06,634 --> 00:14:09,734 control of the situation, and she's losing control. 112 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,634 What we see with Heisch not getting her way in this 113 00:15:27,734 --> 00:15:30,000 interrogation and picking up chairs 114 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,000 and screaming like an out-of-control two-year-old 115 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,487 in the size and power of an adult body 116 00:15:35,487 --> 00:15:36,100 in the size and power of an adult body 117 00:15:36,100 --> 00:15:38,867 may be some of what Danny experienced 118 00:15:38,867 --> 00:15:40,166 before he was killed. 119 00:15:40,166 --> 00:15:42,867 He didn't have any money to give her, and Heisch didn't get 120 00:15:42,900 --> 00:15:44,533 her way, and we see what happens 121 00:15:44,533 --> 00:15:46,367 when Heisch doesn't get her way. 122 00:15:46,367 --> 00:15:49,266 But in the end, this is somebody who doesn't 123 00:15:49,266 --> 00:15:50,634 value human life. 124 00:15:50,734 --> 00:15:52,333 She values her ego. 125 00:15:52,367 --> 00:15:55,266 And ultimately, that is the biggest wound 126 00:15:55,266 --> 00:15:57,066 for her is that this isn't working. 127 00:15:57,100 --> 00:15:59,266 People aren't seeing what she wants them to see. 128 00:15:59,266 --> 00:16:01,634 People aren't doing what she wants them to do. 129 00:16:01,734 --> 00:16:03,467 And Eva Heisch doesn't know how to interact with 130 00:16:03,467 --> 00:16:05,487 anybody in her life except when they're compliant with her. 131 00:16:05,487 --> 00:16:06,433 anybody in her life except when they're compliant with her. 132 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,734 TUSSEY: Danny Taylor was a 68-year-old man 133 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:17,166 who lived alone, and he had health issues. 134 00:17:17,166 --> 00:17:19,367 Eva Heisch seemed to know this about him. 135 00:17:19,367 --> 00:17:21,000 She knew that he had enough money, 136 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:22,533 at least, to go to the strip club 137 00:17:22,533 --> 00:17:25,266 however often he went. 138 00:17:25,266 --> 00:17:28,433 So he was a very vulnerable but perhaps ideal 139 00:17:28,500 --> 00:17:30,266 victim for her, because, in fact, 140 00:17:30,266 --> 00:17:32,333 he was older, and he lived alone. 141 00:17:33,100 --> 00:17:35,487 DERIGHT: Psychopaths are often going to go for 142 00:17:35,487 --> 00:17:36,100 DERIGHT: Psychopaths are often going to go for 143 00:17:36,100 --> 00:17:39,000 what's most readily available in their environment, 144 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,533 the easiest thing they can think of. 145 00:17:41,533 --> 00:17:45,467 So if there's someone who is vulnerable and weak in 146 00:17:45,467 --> 00:17:47,233 their environment, they're gonna capitalize 147 00:17:47,266 --> 00:17:48,734 on that and have no empathy. 148 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,634 They're not going to feel bad about what they did. 149 00:17:51,634 --> 00:17:53,100 They're just gonna take what they need 150 00:17:53,100 --> 00:17:55,433 from the weak person and move on. 151 00:18:31,166 --> 00:18:32,233 DETECTIVE: Okay. 152 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:35,066 DETECTIVE: Mm-hmm. 153 00:19:07,700 --> 00:19:09,967 The credibility of Jessie Werley's 154 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,100 story at this point makes sense. 155 00:19:12,100 --> 00:19:15,100 It not only fits the data that's available, 156 00:19:15,100 --> 00:19:18,900 but most importantly, he's implicating himself in 157 00:19:18,900 --> 00:19:21,367 this crime -- he's not backing away. 158 00:19:21,367 --> 00:19:24,734 With Heisch, every version she gives is set up 159 00:19:24,734 --> 00:19:27,867 and designed to make sure she has no blood on her hands, 160 00:19:27,867 --> 00:19:30,533 figuratively or literally -- had Eva Heisch 161 00:19:30,533 --> 00:19:33,233 not ever gotten this idea in her head to go rob 162 00:19:33,266 --> 00:19:35,100 an innocent vulnerable person 163 00:19:35,100 --> 00:19:35,487 and do it at any cost, including killing him, 164 00:19:35,487 --> 00:19:38,533 and do it at any cost, including killing him, 165 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:40,367 There's no way that Jessie Werley would 166 00:19:40,367 --> 00:19:42,634 have ever found his way to Danny's doorstep. 167 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,266 More that night?