1 00:00:52,567 --> 00:00:55,200 MAN: The thing inside of me, it's like... 2 00:00:55,266 --> 00:00:56,867 the appetite. 3 00:00:56,867 --> 00:00:58,300 It's like a wolf that's... 4 00:01:00,166 --> 00:01:02,800 feeling...the hunger. 5 00:01:31,500 --> 00:01:33,667 Everyone is wondering what's happened. 6 00:01:33,667 --> 00:01:37,467 Of course, it's a small town, and, you know, 7 00:01:37,467 --> 00:01:40,266 you just don't think things like this are gonna happen here, 8 00:01:40,266 --> 00:01:41,567 and everyone's just concerned, 9 00:01:41,567 --> 00:01:43,600 and our hearts go out for the families. 10 00:01:53,166 --> 00:01:55,867 MAN: Family members mill about as sheriff's deputies, 11 00:01:55,967 --> 00:01:57,900 the Division of Criminal Investigation, 12 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:59,467 and Altoona Rescue crew, 13 00:01:59,467 --> 00:02:00,000 and then Des Moines Crime Scene Mobile Command 14 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,367 and then Des Moines Crime Scene Mobile Command 15 00:02:02,467 --> 00:02:04,800 descend on the farmstead -- tonight, 16 00:02:04,867 --> 00:02:06,467 hope for a break in the case. 17 00:02:06,467 --> 00:02:10,500 Investigators want to find a red 1995 Chevy Tahoe. 18 00:02:10,567 --> 00:02:12,000 The sheriff's office believes a man 19 00:02:12,100 --> 00:02:14,667 named Russell Overlin is driving this truck. 20 00:02:14,767 --> 00:02:17,800 The big question tonight -- could Russell Overlin explain 21 00:02:17,867 --> 00:02:19,767 what led investigators to spend 22 00:02:19,867 --> 00:02:22,000 much of the night digging in the elderly 23 00:02:22,066 --> 00:02:23,567 couple's backyard. 24 00:03:19,567 --> 00:03:22,300 Overlin's history is consistent with 25 00:03:22,367 --> 00:03:26,100 somebody who is displaying a parasitic lifestyle. 26 00:03:26,166 --> 00:03:28,800 He hasn't been able to hold down jobs consistently. 27 00:03:28,867 --> 00:03:30,000 He has not only employment instability because of 28 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,367 He has not only employment instability because of 29 00:03:32,467 --> 00:03:34,467 his work performance, but because interpersonally, 30 00:03:34,567 --> 00:03:36,867 he doesn't seem mature enough to realize 31 00:03:36,867 --> 00:03:38,800 how you handle interactions with bosses. 32 00:03:38,867 --> 00:03:41,300 He's in his fifties, living on his parents' property, 33 00:03:41,367 --> 00:03:43,066 in a trailer that they own. 34 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:31,300 [Overlin sighs] 35 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,000 The reaction of, "Really?" is not a normal 36 00:04:51,100 --> 00:04:53,000 reaction to finding out your parents are dead. 37 00:04:53,100 --> 00:04:55,567 Even if he maintained he didn't kill them 38 00:04:55,667 --> 00:04:58,100 or tried to pretend that he didn't, 39 00:04:58,166 --> 00:05:00,000 that reaction is just -- it's incredibly telling. 40 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:00,667 that reaction is just -- it's incredibly telling. 41 00:05:00,767 --> 00:05:03,500 The detective knows what's going on, just from that. 42 00:05:05,266 --> 00:05:08,166 MORGAN: He's sitting back in his chair, almost twiddling his thumbs. 43 00:05:08,266 --> 00:05:09,567 Then he asks the question, 44 00:05:09,667 --> 00:05:11,900 "So you found them," or "You found the bodies." 45 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,000 So then he turns around to poking to see 46 00:05:14,066 --> 00:05:16,266 how much do they know -- someone with psychopathy, 47 00:05:16,266 --> 00:05:18,266 they like to control the situation. 48 00:05:18,266 --> 00:05:22,166 They want to slowly dispense the information they have, 49 00:05:22,166 --> 00:05:23,867 because it will all be about them. 50 00:05:23,967 --> 00:05:25,667 He's gonna make them work. 51 00:06:08,100 --> 00:06:10,467 There's no remorse in what he describes. 52 00:06:10,567 --> 00:06:12,867 It's -- it's as if he's just giving 53 00:06:12,967 --> 00:06:14,767 the facts of it happened this way, 54 00:06:14,867 --> 00:06:16,095 almost if you were narrating what was on a video. 55 00:06:16,095 --> 00:06:17,166 almost if you were narrating what was on a video. 56 00:06:17,166 --> 00:06:20,400 It's sort of this commentary on his own actions 57 00:06:20,467 --> 00:06:22,567 that's really indifferent and detached. 58 00:08:28,066 --> 00:08:31,667 Overlin's description of a fairly gruesome crime 59 00:08:31,667 --> 00:08:32,900 and the amount of effort 60 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,400 that it took for him to kill his stepmother 61 00:08:35,467 --> 00:08:38,867 and his father is, again, just very matter-of-fact. 62 00:08:38,867 --> 00:08:43,567 He's not fazed by the fact that he was violently involved 63 00:08:43,567 --> 00:08:45,166 in any kind of interaction with them. 64 00:08:45,266 --> 00:08:46,095 But the fact that he returned to his stepmother 65 00:08:46,095 --> 00:08:47,467 But the fact that he returned to his stepmother 66 00:08:47,467 --> 00:08:49,100 and then beat her the number of times 67 00:08:49,166 --> 00:08:52,400 that he did suggests that, in that moment, 68 00:08:52,467 --> 00:08:54,900 he lost control, and the only emotions he was in touch 69 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,200 with were his anger and rage towards her. 70 00:09:30,266 --> 00:09:32,667 I think a lot of his odd attempts 71 00:09:32,767 --> 00:09:36,467 at humor are much more for his own enjoyment, 72 00:09:36,567 --> 00:09:39,600 kind of in-jokes with himself and less for the detectives. 73 00:09:39,667 --> 00:09:41,500 His "ladies first" with a little bit 74 00:09:41,567 --> 00:09:44,200 of emotion, kind of a chuckle almost. 75 00:09:44,266 --> 00:09:46,095 That's -- that's concerning -- it's -- 76 00:09:46,095 --> 00:09:46,166 That's -- that's concerning -- it's -- 77 00:09:46,266 --> 00:09:49,567 it's callous -- when we see emotion, it's dark. 78 00:10:30,567 --> 00:10:35,266 The statement that his stepmother wrote like 79 00:10:35,367 --> 00:10:37,667 a serial killer is another demonstration 80 00:10:37,667 --> 00:10:40,400 of a really glib attitude -- on the one hand, 81 00:10:40,467 --> 00:10:44,000 glorifying his actions, and on the other hand, he's really 82 00:10:44,100 --> 00:10:46,095 reducing his stepmother's reputation and her existence 83 00:10:46,095 --> 00:10:48,266 reducing his stepmother's reputation and her existence 84 00:10:48,266 --> 00:10:50,767 down to something that justifies his behavior. 85 00:12:10,567 --> 00:12:13,967 He's complaining that she's saying that it's 86 00:12:13,967 --> 00:12:16,467 making the place smell like an outhouse, 87 00:12:16,467 --> 00:12:18,500 or the simple fact to ask him 88 00:12:18,567 --> 00:12:20,667 to take shoes off coming into the house. 89 00:12:20,667 --> 00:12:22,867 This is enraging to him. 90 00:12:22,967 --> 00:12:26,767 We think that those kinds of things reflect a very, 91 00:12:26,767 --> 00:12:30,100 very fragile ego on the person's part. 92 00:12:30,166 --> 00:12:32,578 They feel insulted very easily, because he thinks 93 00:12:32,578 --> 00:12:33,000 They feel insulted very easily, because he thinks 94 00:12:33,100 --> 00:12:34,667 what he's doing is just fine. 95 00:13:23,700 --> 00:13:26,000 He owns the phrase, "I'm a bum." 96 00:13:26,100 --> 00:13:28,467 There's some kind of self-loathing there, 97 00:13:28,467 --> 00:13:30,867 that he's in the circumstances he's in. 98 00:13:30,967 --> 00:13:32,578 I'm wondering how much that financial reality is 99 00:13:32,578 --> 00:13:33,767 I'm wondering how much that financial reality is 100 00:13:33,867 --> 00:13:36,166 what kind of catalyzed it happening when it happened, 101 00:13:36,166 --> 00:13:38,600 because suddenly, he couldn't just cruise 102 00:13:38,667 --> 00:13:40,066 maybe the way he had. 103 00:15:22,967 --> 00:15:25,467 SAHNI: Overlin's planning is somewhat half-baked. 104 00:15:25,567 --> 00:15:28,266 He doesn't really think through the logistics of 105 00:15:28,266 --> 00:15:30,567 how he's going to live on the run. 106 00:15:30,667 --> 00:15:32,578 He spends four years lying in wait 107 00:15:32,578 --> 00:15:32,967 He spends four years lying in wait 108 00:15:32,967 --> 00:15:35,867 in his head, trying to plot out the perfect way to get 109 00:15:35,867 --> 00:15:38,600 rid of them, but even there, you hear this lack of effort. 110 00:15:38,667 --> 00:15:40,667 He didn't want to have to struggle to do it. 111 00:15:40,667 --> 00:15:43,667 And then ultimately, he decides on a Sunday, while they're 112 00:15:43,767 --> 00:15:45,967 at church, that that's the day he's going to do it. 113 00:15:45,967 --> 00:15:47,767 And he lays in wait for them to 114 00:15:47,867 --> 00:15:50,467 come home, and then bludgeons them both to death. 115 00:16:14,266 --> 00:16:17,900 SAHNI: Lizzie Borden is a well-known case of a woman 116 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:22,066 who, in the 1890s, killed her own father and stepmother 117 00:16:22,066 --> 00:16:23,467 and stood trial for that. 118 00:16:23,567 --> 00:16:26,367 And the fact that Overlin chooses to draw that parallel, 119 00:16:26,467 --> 00:16:28,200 I think, speaks to his own ego. 120 00:16:28,266 --> 00:16:30,867 He's proud of what he's done. 121 00:16:30,967 --> 00:16:32,266 This is somewhat self aggrandizing. 122 00:16:32,367 --> 00:16:32,578 He's making himself important. 123 00:16:32,578 --> 00:16:33,767 He's making himself important. 124 00:16:33,767 --> 00:16:37,100 He's making himself elevated in terms of his status. 125 00:17:31,700 --> 00:17:34,266 The idea of being thrown into a well 126 00:17:34,266 --> 00:17:35,500 while you're still alive, 127 00:17:35,567 --> 00:17:38,467 you know, horror movies are made on the topic. 128 00:17:38,567 --> 00:17:40,166 It's something that most people have 129 00:17:40,166 --> 00:17:42,266 a very strong emotional reaction to. 130 00:17:42,367 --> 00:17:47,100 He's talking about how much joy he took from it. 131 00:17:47,166 --> 00:17:49,567 That's -- that's some impressive sadism. 132 00:18:33,467 --> 00:18:36,500 When he's talking about suicide, 133 00:18:37,767 --> 00:18:41,367 um, I don't think he's describing so much depression, 134 00:18:41,367 --> 00:18:45,100 but he's describing feeling rejected from the entire world 135 00:18:45,166 --> 00:18:46,467 and not having a place in it. 136 00:18:46,567 --> 00:18:50,667 He's probably spent a lot of his life feeling horrible, um, 137 00:18:50,767 --> 00:18:54,467 horrible and judged and not appreciated and entitled 138 00:18:54,467 --> 00:18:57,767 and not getting attention or acknowledgement. 139 00:19:34,467 --> 00:19:37,567 Him telling police that they look sadder than he does 140 00:19:37,567 --> 00:19:39,166 I think actually shows some insight. 141 00:19:39,166 --> 00:19:41,200 It shows a little bit of awareness and willingness 142 00:19:41,266 --> 00:19:42,700 to say, "Yeah, I'm not motivated 143 00:19:42,767 --> 00:19:44,367 "by the same things most people are. 144 00:19:44,367 --> 00:19:46,467 "I thought I'd be dead by now. 145 00:19:46,467 --> 00:19:49,000 I'm still here," and he doesn't really 146 00:19:49,066 --> 00:19:50,367 want to continue to live. 147 00:19:50,367 --> 00:19:50,759 He doesn't get anything out of this life -- instead of getting 148 00:19:50,759 --> 00:19:52,600 He doesn't get anything out of this life -- instead of getting 149 00:19:52,667 --> 00:19:54,266 busy living, he's waiting to die. 150 00:20:22,567 --> 00:20:25,667 He is the center of attention, and for him, 151 00:20:25,767 --> 00:20:29,000 that's got to be satisfying, because this might be the most 152 00:20:29,066 --> 00:20:30,867 notoriety and meaning and attention 153 00:20:30,867 --> 00:20:33,467 he's gotten from other people. 154 00:20:33,467 --> 00:20:36,767 When we say that psychopaths are narcissistic and that 155 00:20:36,867 --> 00:20:38,700 everything has to be about them, what they're doing 156 00:20:38,767 --> 00:20:41,667 and focusing on is trying to prove to themselves 157 00:20:41,767 --> 00:20:43,467 and other people that they matter, 158 00:20:43,467 --> 00:20:45,600 that they're powerful, that they're important.