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[audio recording playing]
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[man 1 speaking]
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[man 2 speaking]
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[man 3 speaking]
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[man 3 speaking]
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[man 4]
The thing inside of me,
it's like...
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The appetite,
it's like a vortex...
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...beyond hunger.
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[audio recording playing]
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[Nick Nigro speaking]
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In the moment, it sounds like
somebody who's scared,
somebody who's panicked.
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Somebody who is desperate.
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And it's what
I think many of us
would expect to see and hear
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from someone who has
just come home
and found a crime scene.
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When I got here
they were taking out
the two bodies.
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[news reporter]
Prosecutors say a 21-year-old
and her 48-year-old mother
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[news reporter]
Prosecutors say a 21-year-old
and her 48-year-old mother
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were found shot to death
in separate bedrooms
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of this home
on Scarborough Drive
around 3.00 this morning.
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Authorities say they were both
murdered but won't comment
on a possible motive.
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[Nick Nigro] Uh...
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This is a 25-year-old
grown adult
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who is still living
in his parents' home,
doesn't really have a job.
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He doesn't have a meaningful
sense of purpose
or routine.
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So what we see
is this parasitic tendency,
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which is absolutely a marker
of psychopathic behavior.
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Nigro is really
putting on display
this perfect relationship,
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giving detectives
what he thinks they want.
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This is what we might call
'impression management'.
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Nothing to see here.
Everything was perfect.
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[Nick sobbing]
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[sniffles]
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That is not someone
who's experiencing
genuine sadness.
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He... He didn't have
actual tears coming out.
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Psychopaths often
replicate emptions.
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They'll try to say
the right thing.
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They'll try to do what
they think is the most logical
action at a certain time,
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They'll try to do what
they think is the most logical
action at a certain time,
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uh, to come off as,
as normal.
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He's first talking about her
in this perfect relationship,
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He's first talking about her
in this perfect relationship,
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idolized way.
He switches positions that
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she must have been
into something that
I didn't know about.
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And what we also see
is that Nigro is making this
all about himself.
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"I have to get to the bottom
of this, I have to figure
this out, I'm confused."
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It's now about his reaction,
not two dead human beings.
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It's a very common sign
of someone who was lying
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where they will,
uh, change the narrative
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and then they'll try
to sprinkle in
parts of the truth.
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He's saying,
"I have this drug problem.
So look there."
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And the drug problem
is going to lead you
to who did this.
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He has a whole
red herring figured out.
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He has the whole story planned
for how he wants this to go.
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He has the whole story planned
for how he wants this to go.
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You see an arrogance
that's emerging.
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Somebody who thinks
he's clearly smarter
than the detectives.
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Somebody who thinks
he's clearly smarter
than the detectives.
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Both detectives pull
at the sweater string,
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and then things start
to come unraveled.
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Because individuals
who are psychopathic
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and have an unhealthy level
of narcissism or arrogance
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can't resist taking that bait.
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He, like most psychopaths,
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often feel like
they're the most clever person
in the room.
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They often feel as though
no one can trick them,
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and they have the skill
to get what they want
out of the world
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by, by manipulating them
and tricking them.
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by, by manipulating them
and tricking them.
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You can hear the escalation
in his voice
when he's emotional here.
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He's so upset that
they did not buy his story.
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And I think there you can
actually see genuine emotion
coming out of him.
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But it's just not for
the reason that
you would expect.
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[Jonathan Deright]
I hear him snapping.
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He's saying these statements
that he's doing it mockingly.
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But, but it's an easier way
to, to try to, um,
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make it come across
as, as truthful.
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Detectives have tried a bunch
of different strategies
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and they might just have
finally hit on one
that was motivating to him.
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And it's likely about
Nigro saving face
with his own parents,
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And it's likely about
Nigro saving face
with his own parents,
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and with his younger brother.
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"They're gonna turn
their back on me.
And they're gonna move on."
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And, "I know how I look
to other people."
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So it's manipulative
in its own right,
and it's self-serving.
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[bleeping]
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That moment when he looked
straight at the camera
and pauses,
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That moment when he looked
straight at the camera
and pauses,
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we realize that
this is all an act.
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Maybe they're in the other
room watching,
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and maybe, and they might
believe him this time.
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[scoffs]
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[bleeping]
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He's very angry
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that his attempts to control
the whole situation
is subverted.
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that his attempts to control
the whole situation
is subverted.
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And he's not able to keep
his family out of this.
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So he has his back
against the wall.
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He tries to change tact again.
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[detective 1] Well...
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Nigro's attitude is,
he's doing them a favor.
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I think it's still his attempt
to try and stay in a position
of power.
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He's trying to control
the narrative.
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Part of the manipulation
may be that
he's hoping for leniency.
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He's hoping if he gives them
what they want,
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they'll back out of
throwing the book at him.
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they'll back out of
throwing the book at him.
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But what he also wants
is for his family
to be pulled out of this.
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I wanted her to-- Yeah.
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It's clear from the way
he talks about his rage
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that he feels emasculated.
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So this starts to move us
away from impulsivity
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and more towards giving into
the impulsive rage.
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Majority of us may have urges
at times to hurt someone
or have them feel pain.
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But we have enough
internal regulation.
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Psychopaths don't
have that regulator.
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[detective 2] Um...
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He's talking about it
almost like they're not
real people, they're puppets.
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And that lack of emotion,
that lack of connectedness
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to somebody that he was
prepared to marry
and live with
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really highlights that lack
of emotional experience.
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really highlights that lack
of emotional experience.
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He really has
this mentality of
'it's me against the world.'
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We see that a lot
in psychopaths.
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Uh, he's really tried
to make himself believe,
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Uh, he's really tried
to make himself believe,
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if I wouldn't have done this,
she would've done it to me.
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I had to protect myself.
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[siren wailing]
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Nigro is telling us
that he's not sadistic,
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and yet, he's also told us
that he deliberately chose
to kill her mother first
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so that his girlfriend
would be aware that
her mother was being killed,
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which is nothing short
of a sadistic act.
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He really portrays himself
as a victim of women.
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When really, he was the one
victimizing women.
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I think that what
we're all thinking when
he's saying that is,
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he says,
"I created a monster."
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he says,
"I created a monster."
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And the natural
progression is,
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"Are you talking about
a monster in you, or in her?"
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Years of relationship.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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[Nameeta Sahni]
Nigro understands he tried
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to give a narrative
that wasn't believed.
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He's accepting his fate.
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And because people
are dispensable to him,
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he's projecting that onto
his mother and brother.
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They're gonna
turn their back on me.
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I think at this point
what we're seeing is somebody
who's accepting his reality.