1 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:35,266 [sighs] 2 00:00:51,867 --> 00:00:53,166 [man reading] 3 00:00:53,667 --> 00:00:54,567 [man 2 reading] 4 00:00:55,300 --> 00:00:57,166 [man 3 reading] 5 00:00:57,166 --> 00:00:59,100 [man 4] The thing inside of me was like... 6 00:01:00,867 --> 00:01:02,567 The appetite, it's like a wolf, it's... 7 00:01:04,667 --> 00:01:05,567 [man 5] Killing. 8 00:01:06,567 --> 00:01:07,767 The hunger. 9 00:02:06,300 --> 00:02:08,500 [Dr. Sahni] He'll tell them what he did to his wife 10 00:02:08,567 --> 00:02:11,100 if her ex-husband is present in the room. 11 00:02:11,100 --> 00:02:13,567 The power and the authority that that gives Barnes 12 00:02:13,567 --> 00:02:15,000 is significant. 13 00:02:15,066 --> 00:02:18,467 He is now going to not only get to relive the crime and the violence 14 00:02:18,467 --> 00:02:19,900 that he inflicted on his wife, 15 00:02:19,967 --> 00:02:22,567 but he's going to get to see the emotional reaction 16 00:02:22,567 --> 00:02:25,300 and trauma that it causes on her ex-husband. 17 00:03:11,300 --> 00:03:14,166 He's clearly denying and minimizing, 18 00:03:14,166 --> 00:03:15,900 and not taking responsibility, 19 00:03:15,967 --> 00:03:17,967 and doing what a lot of drug abusers do, 20 00:03:17,967 --> 00:03:20,967 but also psychopaths do blame it on something else. 21 00:03:20,967 --> 00:03:22,600 It's not me, it's the alcohol. 22 00:03:22,667 --> 00:03:24,567 And he's kind of doing the same thing. 23 00:03:24,567 --> 00:03:25,800 It's of the same script. 24 00:03:50,567 --> 00:03:53,767 [voice breaking] 25 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:57,233 [exhales] 26 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,367 Barnes is trying to paint this as a simple lovers' quarrel 27 00:04:26,367 --> 00:04:27,800 or a marital disagreement 28 00:04:27,867 --> 00:04:29,800 when, in fact, there's broken doors, 29 00:04:29,867 --> 00:04:30,000 there's holes in the walls, 30 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:31,000 there's holes in the walls, 31 00:04:31,066 --> 00:04:32,667 there's door frames that have been removed 32 00:04:32,667 --> 00:04:34,800 by somebody grabbing them and kicking them in. 33 00:04:34,867 --> 00:04:38,367 This is not a situation of two people who had a misunderstanding 34 00:04:38,367 --> 00:04:39,567 that spun out of control. 35 00:04:48,867 --> 00:04:51,100 [sobbing] 36 00:04:54,567 --> 00:04:57,166 He never owns responsibility for killing her. 37 00:04:57,166 --> 00:04:59,166 It's a distanced description. 38 00:04:59,166 --> 00:05:00,000 She kneed him, she thinks. He pushed her down. 39 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,300 She kneed him, she thinks. He pushed her down. 40 00:05:02,367 --> 00:05:04,700 It was hard, he doesn't know how it really happened, 41 00:05:04,767 --> 00:05:06,700 but she went face first. 42 00:05:06,767 --> 00:05:08,266 If you think of it like a painting, 43 00:05:08,266 --> 00:05:10,867 you're getting a very broad brush stroke 44 00:05:10,867 --> 00:05:14,000 of something about the scene, but you can't fill in the detail. 45 00:05:38,300 --> 00:05:39,667 [Barnes sobs] 46 00:05:41,500 --> 00:05:42,867 [Barnes seemingly laughs] 47 00:06:43,100 --> 00:06:46,367 The fact that Barnes continued to stay in their home 48 00:06:46,367 --> 00:06:48,931 for two days knowing there was a dead body in the closet, 49 00:06:48,931 --> 00:06:49,967 for two days knowing there was a dead body in the closet, 50 00:06:49,967 --> 00:06:52,567 and he took more care and attention 51 00:06:52,567 --> 00:06:55,467 to make sure the trash was taken out, 52 00:06:55,467 --> 00:06:58,967 dishes were cleaned, that the home was otherwise orderly, 53 00:06:58,967 --> 00:07:01,166 really shows a disconnect. 54 00:07:01,166 --> 00:07:03,600 His feeble attempt at taking the trash out, 55 00:07:03,667 --> 00:07:05,066 so that things look normal 56 00:07:05,066 --> 00:07:08,166 doesn't really compensate or equate to the loss of human life, 57 00:07:08,166 --> 00:07:10,166 but in his mind, they're somehow equal. 58 00:07:10,166 --> 00:07:11,266 They're equal gestures. 59 00:07:39,867 --> 00:07:41,467 [voice breaking] 60 00:08:07,567 --> 00:08:09,367 [Dr. Morgan] Barnes could be alluding to the fact 61 00:08:09,367 --> 00:08:11,667 that he knows more than they know. 62 00:08:11,667 --> 00:08:13,767 It's clear that he's saying, 63 00:08:13,767 --> 00:08:16,200 "If you had known about what I was going to do earlier, 64 00:08:16,266 --> 00:08:18,867 maybe you could have done something about it." 65 00:08:18,867 --> 00:08:18,931 So it's a way of blaming the ex-husband as well. 66 00:08:18,931 --> 00:08:22,367 So it's a way of blaming the ex-husband as well. 67 00:08:22,367 --> 00:08:25,400 So he still doesn't have responsibility in his mind for what he did. 68 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,700 Barnes would have us believe this was just a domestic dispute, 69 00:08:42,767 --> 00:08:44,266 but we know that that's not the case. 70 00:08:44,266 --> 00:08:45,567 He had killed before. 71 00:10:06,567 --> 00:10:09,266 This is once again, Barnes taking control of a situation. 72 00:10:09,266 --> 00:10:12,367 You see his psychopathic side really take the lead. 73 00:10:12,367 --> 00:10:14,266 He is narcissistic, 74 00:10:14,266 --> 00:10:15,367 he's arrogant, 75 00:10:15,367 --> 00:10:18,600 and he really understands 76 00:10:18,667 --> 00:10:21,100 that there's a power that he has in this situation 77 00:10:21,100 --> 00:10:24,767 because law enforcement wants to understand what this cold case was about. 78 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,266 [Dr. Morgan] She was Patricia Miller, she was a nurse. 79 00:10:50,266 --> 00:10:51,900 She lived in a complex near him. 80 00:10:51,967 --> 00:10:55,667 It's another reflection of this complete really indifference 81 00:10:55,667 --> 00:10:57,600 to personal identity. 82 00:10:57,667 --> 00:10:59,652 People aren't individuals 83 00:10:59,652 --> 00:10:59,667 People aren't individuals 84 00:10:59,667 --> 00:11:01,100 to a man like Barnes. 85 00:11:01,100 --> 00:11:02,367 They're things, 86 00:11:02,367 --> 00:11:05,600 and so you can care enough to kill somebody, 87 00:11:05,667 --> 00:11:08,667 but they're not really important to remember 88 00:11:08,667 --> 00:11:09,967 as individual people. 89 00:12:13,567 --> 00:12:14,800 [Dr. Raghavan] There's a lot of sadism. 90 00:12:14,867 --> 00:12:16,867 He enjoyed humiliating her. 91 00:12:16,867 --> 00:12:20,166 He enjoyed hurting her physically. 92 00:12:20,166 --> 00:12:22,200 He enjoyed frightening her. 93 00:12:22,266 --> 00:12:25,200 And it was a prolonged several hours 94 00:12:25,266 --> 00:12:27,166 before he finally killed her. 95 00:12:27,166 --> 00:12:29,500 And he killed in a very personal frightening way 96 00:12:29,567 --> 00:12:29,652 where she was probably experiencing her own death. 97 00:12:29,652 --> 00:12:32,767 where she was probably experiencing her own death. 98 00:12:32,767 --> 00:12:36,767 So intense rage and a deep desire of destruction 99 00:12:36,767 --> 00:12:37,967 of the other person. 100 00:13:24,467 --> 00:13:27,266 Despite the fact almost 17 years have gone by 101 00:13:27,266 --> 00:13:29,652 from when he committed this violent murder, 102 00:13:29,652 --> 00:13:30,400 from when he committed this violent murder, 103 00:13:30,467 --> 00:13:33,567 and when he's talking about it during this interview with Insco, 104 00:13:33,567 --> 00:13:37,400 he remembers things in a level of detail about taking a bank card, 105 00:13:37,467 --> 00:13:39,300 putting things in a rucksack, 106 00:13:39,367 --> 00:13:41,200 where he exited the house, 107 00:13:41,266 --> 00:13:43,266 whether he left the door locked or unlocked. 108 00:13:43,266 --> 00:13:45,700 Barnes has been reliving this crime in his mind, 109 00:13:45,767 --> 00:13:48,867 getting a euphoria or a high off it all of these years. 110 00:14:29,467 --> 00:14:29,652 [Dr. Sahni] The decision that Barnes made 111 00:14:29,652 --> 00:14:31,200 [Dr. Sahni] The decision that Barnes made 112 00:14:31,266 --> 00:14:34,467 to enter the victim's apartment nude 113 00:14:34,467 --> 00:14:38,367 suggests that he had a clear intent to sexually assault her. 114 00:14:38,367 --> 00:14:41,266 This is a calculated cold act. 115 00:14:41,266 --> 00:14:44,567 This is somebody who doesn't have any attachment to the victim. 116 00:14:44,567 --> 00:14:47,066 It was about his own sexual gratification, 117 00:14:47,066 --> 00:14:49,066 his own power and control, 118 00:14:49,066 --> 00:14:50,567 and his need to kill. 119 00:15:35,967 --> 00:15:38,667 [Dr. Morgan] Burns start talking about how he's set fires before. 120 00:15:38,667 --> 00:15:40,667 He's set fires when he's a kid, 121 00:15:40,667 --> 00:15:42,367 he's burned a bed before. 122 00:15:42,367 --> 00:15:43,767 This is consistent with what we know 123 00:15:43,767 --> 00:15:47,567 in the psychological research on people with psychopathy, 124 00:15:47,567 --> 00:15:51,967 is they've often engaged in other acts of violence 125 00:15:51,967 --> 00:15:54,867 before they've moved on to torturing humans or killing humans. 126 00:16:30,066 --> 00:16:32,000 Part of the control dynamic 127 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,400 is in planning the hunt, right? 128 00:16:34,467 --> 00:16:36,133 Planning the action. 129 00:16:36,133 --> 00:16:39,800 They've have a fantasy in their head about how it should proceed and go, 130 00:16:39,867 --> 00:16:42,000 the stages that the act will occur in, 131 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:43,200 and they mentally rehearse it. 132 00:17:45,100 --> 00:17:47,467 This is where we see truly the presentation 133 00:17:47,467 --> 00:17:50,367 of a psychopathic personality. 134 00:17:50,367 --> 00:17:52,367 He does not owe anyone anything, 135 00:17:52,367 --> 00:17:56,266 and as long as he maintains control of the interview, he's good to go. 136 00:17:56,266 --> 00:18:00,200 But the minute where they start asking him about things he looks bad, 137 00:18:00,266 --> 00:18:03,200 or somehow diminish his status, 138 00:18:03,266 --> 00:18:04,867 and his sense of authority, 139 00:18:04,867 --> 00:18:07,108 and compromise his ego and his self-esteem, 140 00:18:07,108 --> 00:18:08,667 and compromise his ego and his self-esteem, 141 00:18:08,667 --> 00:18:10,000 he won't go there. 142 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,166 So despite claiming that he would say to Insco, 143 00:18:12,166 --> 00:18:14,100 "Oh, I'll answer anything," he's clearly not willing to. 144 00:18:30,667 --> 00:18:34,500 He doesn't want to talk probably about rejection, 145 00:18:34,567 --> 00:18:36,567 about being humiliated. 146 00:18:36,567 --> 00:18:37,108 He clearly remembers what she said 17 years ago, 147 00:18:37,108 --> 00:18:40,667 He clearly remembers what she said 17 years ago, 148 00:18:40,667 --> 00:18:44,500 and it makes him feel so small and squeamish 149 00:18:44,567 --> 00:18:46,367 that he's able to talk about killing her, 150 00:18:46,367 --> 00:18:50,567 but he can't talk about how rejection made him feel 151 00:18:50,567 --> 00:18:52,900 because it made him feel like nothing. 152 00:18:52,967 --> 00:18:54,600 It made him feel so bad. 153 00:18:54,667 --> 00:18:58,000 And because that moment is so difficult for him, 154 00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:59,634 so humiliating, 155 00:18:59,634 --> 00:19:02,800 he rewrites the story to say that, "I'm actually protecting her reputation." 156 00:19:25,100 --> 00:19:27,266 This is another example of the control, 157 00:19:27,266 --> 00:19:31,467 and the appearance of something being perhaps socially appropriate. 158 00:19:31,467 --> 00:19:35,100 Barnes is almost saying, "I have a spiritual advisor, 159 00:19:35,166 --> 00:19:36,800 I'm a spiritual person, 160 00:19:36,867 --> 00:19:37,108 think of me in this way." 161 00:19:37,108 --> 00:19:38,467 think of me in this way." 162 00:19:38,467 --> 00:19:39,667 But he's not. 163 00:19:39,667 --> 00:19:43,467 We don't see any signs of contriteness or remorse. 164 00:19:43,467 --> 00:19:46,166 It still is all about him 165 00:19:46,166 --> 00:19:48,300 rather than the victims themselves. 166 00:20:07,867 --> 00:20:09,867 What you see is yet again, he's playing games. 167 00:20:09,867 --> 00:20:11,467 He's manipulating the situation, 168 00:20:11,467 --> 00:20:13,467 he's keeping himself relevant, 169 00:20:13,467 --> 00:20:16,100 he's keeping himself in a position of power and control, 170 00:20:16,100 --> 00:20:18,600 and he's also keeping himself center stage. 171 00:20:18,667 --> 00:20:22,467 He's telling the police without coming right out and saying it, 172 00:20:22,467 --> 00:20:25,367 "You need me. And when I decide to help you, I will."