1 00:00:13,467 --> 00:00:15,100 [police siren wailing] 2 00:01:02,767 --> 00:01:04,000 [man 1 speaking] 3 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:05,000 [man 2 speaking] 4 00:01:05,867 --> 00:01:07,600 [man 3 speaking] 5 00:01:07,667 --> 00:01:09,767 [man 4] The thing inside of me, it's like... 6 00:01:11,266 --> 00:01:12,166 The appetite. 7 00:01:12,166 --> 00:01:13,200 It's like a wolf that's... 8 00:01:15,500 --> 00:01:18,166 feeling hunger. 9 00:01:31,700 --> 00:01:35,100 [news anchor] A North Dakota Highway Patrol investigation continues 10 00:01:35,166 --> 00:01:37,667 into a fatal crash on I-94. 11 00:01:37,667 --> 00:01:41,800 Officials say 38-year-old John Bridges was driving this van 12 00:01:41,867 --> 00:01:44,367 when it collided with the overpass support column. 13 00:01:44,367 --> 00:01:46,266 First responders arrived. 14 00:01:46,266 --> 00:01:49,467 The passenger, 40-year-old Lee Clay, dead at the scene. 15 00:01:49,467 --> 00:01:52,166 Bridges was transported to a local hospital 16 00:01:52,166 --> 00:01:54,300 and the investigation is ongoing. 17 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,567 John Bridges is talking about 18 00:03:33,567 --> 00:03:36,400 this accident that's happened, and the victim 19 00:03:36,467 --> 00:03:38,800 essentially succumbing to injuries due to an accident 20 00:03:38,867 --> 00:03:40,467 and it's just not believable. 21 00:03:40,467 --> 00:03:42,767 I think what Bridges is showing us is that 22 00:03:42,767 --> 00:03:45,400 he has sort of a disconnect from reality 23 00:03:45,467 --> 00:03:49,767 and what the rest of us would naturally assume or conclusions we might draw. 24 00:03:49,767 --> 00:03:53,266 This is pretty consistent with what we see in psychopathic individuals 25 00:03:53,266 --> 00:03:55,767 where they're not really concerned about fact 26 00:03:55,767 --> 00:03:57,800 or integrity to what they're saying, 27 00:03:57,867 --> 00:03:59,266 or the plausibility of the story. 28 00:03:59,266 --> 00:04:00,000 They tend to come across at times as glib, 29 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,867 They tend to come across at times as glib, 30 00:04:01,867 --> 00:04:05,900 and not super concerned about a chronic need to lie, 31 00:04:05,967 --> 00:04:07,867 or pathological lying, that we sometimes see in them. 32 00:05:03,567 --> 00:05:07,567 I think Bridges is starting to make attempts at trying to control the interview. 33 00:05:07,567 --> 00:05:11,567 He is trying to figure out what detectives want from him. 34 00:05:11,567 --> 00:05:15,767 And that chameleon-like tendency that we see in psychopathic individuals 35 00:05:15,767 --> 00:05:18,967 is something that allows them to navigate their environment. 36 00:05:18,967 --> 00:05:22,266 They try to figure out what the people they're interacting with want. 37 00:05:22,266 --> 00:05:25,367 How they want them to react, how they want them to emote, 38 00:05:25,367 --> 00:05:27,900 or show emotions, and how they want them to behave. 39 00:05:27,967 --> 00:05:30,000 So, I think that's really what we're seeing with Bridges, 40 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:30,100 So, I think that's really what we're seeing with Bridges, 41 00:05:30,100 --> 00:05:32,300 is he's trying to get a read on the detectives. 42 00:06:12,667 --> 00:06:15,066 Typically, whenever people have been involved 43 00:06:15,066 --> 00:06:16,867 in a fatal accident such as this, 44 00:06:16,867 --> 00:06:18,300 where someone has passed away, 45 00:06:18,367 --> 00:06:21,867 you would expect the person to be emotional, 46 00:06:21,867 --> 00:06:24,500 perhaps crying, screaming, upset, 47 00:06:24,567 --> 00:06:27,767 or almost frozen and unable to speak 48 00:06:27,767 --> 00:06:29,567 because of the shock or the trauma. 49 00:06:29,567 --> 00:06:30,000 Mr. Bridges is discussing this death as if it's just 50 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,700 Mr. Bridges is discussing this death as if it's just 51 00:06:33,767 --> 00:06:37,367 another day driving on the highway. 52 00:06:37,367 --> 00:06:41,667 He is actually demonstrating the shallow affect that's seen in psychopathy. 53 00:06:41,667 --> 00:06:44,867 He knows he should say he's upset. 54 00:06:44,867 --> 00:06:48,600 But he's not really appearing upset at all. 55 00:06:48,667 --> 00:06:51,100 In fact, he's appearing a bit angry. 56 00:07:37,967 --> 00:07:40,266 He's getting increasingly frustrated, 57 00:07:40,266 --> 00:07:43,700 obviously, by the tone in his voice, his posture, 58 00:07:43,767 --> 00:07:46,667 he's getting increasingly frustrated at the questioning 59 00:07:46,667 --> 00:07:49,021 and, I think, recognizing that he's caught. 60 00:07:49,021 --> 00:07:49,867 and, I think, recognizing that he's caught. 61 00:07:49,867 --> 00:07:53,867 And so, he tries to gain control over the interview 62 00:07:53,867 --> 00:07:58,967 by asking them questions, expecting them to tell him. "Well, what did you see? 63 00:07:58,967 --> 00:08:02,266 What exactly are you accusing me of?" 64 00:08:02,266 --> 00:08:04,900 [Dr. Sahni] John Bridges is giving detectives an explanation 65 00:08:04,967 --> 00:08:08,100 of what he believes happened, and it doesn't add up. 66 00:08:08,100 --> 00:08:11,467 A reasonable human being would draw different conclusions. 67 00:08:11,467 --> 00:08:15,100 And what we see is Bridges isn't really concerned about the inconsistencies. 68 00:09:39,567 --> 00:09:43,000 He is talking about demands and says, "That's my only demand." 69 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:47,266 But really, he is not in any position to make demands at all. 70 00:09:47,266 --> 00:09:49,021 But that's part of what we see in psychopaths as well, 71 00:09:49,021 --> 00:09:50,166 But that's part of what we see in psychopaths as well, 72 00:09:50,166 --> 00:09:52,266 is this, again, this grandiosity. 73 00:09:52,266 --> 00:09:56,200 An inflated sense of what he has the authority to do. 74 00:09:56,266 --> 00:09:58,667 So this grandiosity leads him to believe 75 00:09:58,667 --> 00:10:02,600 that he actually does have the right to be making demands. 76 00:10:02,667 --> 00:10:05,767 When, in fact, he absolutely does not. 77 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:16,400 John Bridges talks about how he has paranoia, 78 00:11:16,467 --> 00:11:18,467 and he starts to set the groundwork 79 00:11:18,467 --> 00:11:19,021 for being mentally ill or legally incompetent, 80 00:11:19,021 --> 00:11:21,867 for being mentally ill or legally incompetent, 81 00:11:21,867 --> 00:11:26,600 and wanting to strategize his legal case by claiming insanity. 82 00:11:26,667 --> 00:11:28,900 And we see this in individuals who are seasoned criminals, 83 00:11:28,967 --> 00:11:32,266 who know the judicial system, know how to navigate it. 84 00:11:32,266 --> 00:11:34,767 The problem we have is that Bridges' description 85 00:11:34,767 --> 00:11:39,567 of how he's experiencing these visions isn't consistent with visual hallucinations. 86 00:11:39,567 --> 00:11:42,767 It's not consistent with auditory hallucinations. 87 00:11:42,767 --> 00:11:48,867 And he goes on to give a fairly accurate accounting that is linear and in order 88 00:11:48,867 --> 00:11:49,021 of what he remembers about this scenario and this out-of-body experience, 89 00:11:49,021 --> 00:11:52,700 of what he remembers about this scenario and this out-of-body experience, 90 00:11:52,767 --> 00:11:55,600 which is highly inconsistent with psychosis and paranoia. 91 00:12:44,266 --> 00:12:47,700 When Bridges is describing to police what his steps were 92 00:12:47,767 --> 00:12:50,500 in terms of shopping for these items, 93 00:12:50,567 --> 00:12:54,000 the ties, the knife, the duct tape, 94 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,367 he's describing this all very matter-of-factly. 95 00:12:56,367 --> 00:12:58,000 His affect is somewhat limited, 96 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,367 there's a little bit of glib in what he's saying, 97 00:13:00,367 --> 00:13:03,300 and he's describing this as if it was our grocery list 98 00:13:03,367 --> 00:13:06,100 and shopping list, and he just went to the store to pick up milk and eggs. 99 00:15:01,166 --> 00:15:03,667 [Dr. Tussey] He seems to be enjoying the thrill, 100 00:15:03,667 --> 00:15:07,567 the excitement of having complete domination over the victim 101 00:15:07,567 --> 00:15:10,767 and mentally manipulating him. 102 00:15:10,767 --> 00:15:11,480 "You do what I tell you, and you'll survive. 103 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:13,166 "You do what I tell you, and you'll survive. 104 00:15:13,166 --> 00:15:16,266 But if not, then it's gonna be a bad outcome." 105 00:15:16,266 --> 00:15:19,266 And he seems to thrive off of that power. 106 00:15:46,867 --> 00:15:52,000 Blaming the victim is part and parcel of a psychopath's M.O. 107 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,066 It's often someone else's fault. 108 00:15:54,066 --> 00:15:57,166 And in this case, Mr. Bridges is blaming the victim. 109 00:15:57,166 --> 00:16:00,200 "Well, he tried to get out of the zip ties." 110 00:16:00,266 --> 00:16:04,166 And, you know, "He was going to attack me, so I had to attack him back." 111 00:16:04,166 --> 00:16:06,166 Almost as if it's self-defense. 112 00:16:46,567 --> 00:16:50,300 Mr. Bridges uses the words that he was "in the zone" 113 00:16:50,367 --> 00:16:54,567 while he was stabbing the victim. It's typically a term we use for sports, 114 00:16:54,567 --> 00:16:58,767 or something more positive than murdering someone. 115 00:16:58,767 --> 00:17:04,600 For him, "in the zone" perhaps means he was only focused on completing his goal. 116 00:17:34,867 --> 00:17:36,600 [Dr. Sahni] Individuals that are psychopathic 117 00:17:36,667 --> 00:17:41,166 often times do not experience emotions in the same range that the rest of us do. 118 00:17:41,166 --> 00:17:41,480 So often times their highs take more to stimulate, 119 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:45,000 So often times their highs take more to stimulate, 120 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,300 and their lows take more to pull them out of. 121 00:17:47,367 --> 00:17:49,767 And this may be what we're seeing with Bridges in this moment, 122 00:17:49,767 --> 00:17:52,967 is that as he's recalling the details of what he did to the victim 123 00:17:52,967 --> 00:17:56,166 in those moments when he was physically stabbing him, 124 00:17:56,166 --> 00:18:00,200 he's getting a bit of a secondary high off of that. 125 00:18:00,266 --> 00:18:03,767 It's unclear if there really was overkill, or if it was a response 126 00:18:03,767 --> 00:18:05,867 to the amount of adrenaline he may have been experiencing. 127 00:18:05,867 --> 00:18:09,700 But certainly the amount of violence that he committed against the victim 128 00:18:09,767 --> 00:18:11,480 was far more than was necessary to render him helpless. 129 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,066 was far more than was necessary to render him helpless. 130 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:02,367 [Dr. Tussey] Speaking of Mr. Bridges' long history of deviant behavior, 131 00:19:02,367 --> 00:19:05,367 it's noteworthy that, according to the records, 132 00:19:05,367 --> 00:19:08,467 he had gotten into multiple fights while he was in school. 133 00:19:08,467 --> 00:19:11,166 He threatened his mother with a knife. 134 00:19:11,166 --> 00:19:16,200 Uh, reportedly, at age 15, he disclosed that he wanted to kill someone 135 00:19:16,266 --> 00:19:18,467 just to see what it was like to kill someone. 136 00:19:18,467 --> 00:19:21,308 He ultimately did murder someone by age 16. 137 00:19:21,308 --> 00:19:23,300 He ultimately did murder someone by age 16. 138 00:19:23,367 --> 00:19:29,800 There's a lot of red flags for psychopathic behavior starting from early childhood. 139 00:19:48,166 --> 00:19:51,308 Mr. Bridges makes comments such as, "I don't wanna make a big stink of this," 140 00:19:51,308 --> 00:19:53,166 Mr. Bridges makes comments such as, "I don't wanna make a big stink of this," 141 00:19:53,166 --> 00:19:57,500 as if he's talking about throwing out days-old leftovers. 142 00:19:57,567 --> 00:20:00,867 But he's actually talking about murdering someone. 143 00:20:00,867 --> 00:20:06,567 It's yet another attempt of him to control the players in the situation 144 00:20:06,567 --> 00:20:10,900 as if he's a puppeteer and he's directing them to do what he wants. 145 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:31,767 The psychologist has never seen anyone, to date, 146 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:39,000 that is as psychopathic or as dangerous as you are. 147 00:20:39,066 --> 00:20:43,066 You, in essence, have viewed people like animals, and you hunt them. 148 00:20:43,066 --> 00:20:44,667 Is that what I'm to take from this? 149 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,867 [judge] It is very clear to this court that... 150 00:20:50,867 --> 00:20:51,308 the only way the public is safe, is for you to not have an opportunity 151 00:20:51,308 --> 00:20:54,600 the only way the public is safe, is for you to not have an opportunity 152 00:20:54,667 --> 00:20:57,000 to prey upon an unsuspecting public again.