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[police siren wailing]
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[man 1 speaking]
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[man 2 speaking]
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[man 3 speaking]
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[man 4] The thing
inside of me, it's like...
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The appetite.
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It's like a wolf that's...
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feeling hunger.
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[news anchor]
A North Dakota Highway Patrol
investigation continues
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into a fatal crash on I-94.
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Officials say 38-year-old
John Bridges was
driving this van
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when it collided
with the overpass
support column.
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First responders arrived.
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The passenger,
40-year-old Lee Clay,
dead at the scene.
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Bridges was transported
to a local hospital
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and the investigation
is ongoing.
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John Bridges is talking about
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this accident that's happened,
and the victim
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essentially succumbing
to injuries due to an accident
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and it's just not believable.
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I think what Bridges
is showing us is that
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he has sort of a disconnect
from reality
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and what the rest of us
would naturally assume
or conclusions we might draw.
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This is pretty consistent
with what we see
in psychopathic individuals
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where they're not really
concerned about fact
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or integrity
to what they're saying,
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or the plausibility
of the story.
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They tend to come across
at times as glib,
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They tend to come across
at times as glib,
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and not super concerned
about a chronic need to lie,
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or pathological lying,
that we sometimes see in them.
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I think Bridges is starting
to make attempts at trying
to control the interview.
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He is trying to figure out
what detectives want from him.
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And that chameleon-like
tendency that we see
in psychopathic individuals
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is something that allows them
to navigate their environment.
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They try to figure out
what the people
they're interacting with want.
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How they want them to react,
how they want them to emote,
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or show emotions,
and how they want
them to behave.
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So, I think
that's really what
we're seeing with Bridges,
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So, I think
that's really what
we're seeing with Bridges,
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is he's trying to get a read
on the detectives.
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Typically, whenever people
have been involved
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in a fatal accident
such as this,
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where someone
has passed away,
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you would expect the person
to be emotional,
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perhaps crying,
screaming, upset,
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or almost frozen
and unable to speak
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because of the shock
or the trauma.
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Mr. Bridges is discussing
this death as if it's just
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Mr. Bridges is discussing
this death as if it's just
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another day
driving on the highway.
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He is actually demonstrating
the shallow affect
that's seen in psychopathy.
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He knows he should
say he's upset.
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But he's not really
appearing upset at all.
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In fact, he's appearing
a bit angry.
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He's getting
increasingly frustrated,
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obviously, by the tone
in his voice, his posture,
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he's getting increasingly
frustrated at the questioning
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and, I think, recognizing
that he's caught.
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and, I think, recognizing
that he's caught.
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And so, he tries
to gain control
over the interview
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by asking them questions,
expecting them to tell him.
"Well, what did you see?
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What exactly are you
accusing me of?"
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[Dr. Sahni]
John Bridges is giving
detectives an explanation
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of what he believes happened,
and it doesn't add up.
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A reasonable human being
would draw
different conclusions.
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And what we see is
Bridges isn't really concerned
about the inconsistencies.
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He is talking about demands
and says,
"That's my only demand."
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But really, he is not
in any position
to make demands at all.
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But that's part of what we see
in psychopaths as well,
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But that's part of what we see
in psychopaths as well,
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is this, again,
this grandiosity.
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An inflated sense
of what he has
the authority to do.
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So this grandiosity
leads him to believe
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that he actually does
have the right
to be making demands.
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When, in fact,
he absolutely does not.
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John Bridges talks about
how he has paranoia,
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and he starts
to set the groundwork
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for being mentally ill
or legally incompetent,
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for being mentally ill
or legally incompetent,
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and wanting
to strategize his legal case
by claiming insanity.
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And we see this in individuals
who are seasoned criminals,
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who know the judicial system,
know how to navigate it.
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The problem we have
is that Bridges' description
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of how he's experiencing
these visions isn't consistent
with visual hallucinations.
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It's not consistent
with auditory hallucinations.
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And he goes on to give
a fairly accurate accounting
that is linear and in order
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of what he remembers
about this scenario and this
out-of-body experience,
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of what he remembers
about this scenario and this
out-of-body experience,
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which is highly inconsistent
with psychosis and paranoia.
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When Bridges is describing
to police what his steps were
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in terms of shopping
for these items,
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the ties, the knife,
the duct tape,
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he's describing this all
very matter-of-factly.
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His affect is
somewhat limited,
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there's a little bit of glib
in what he's saying,
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and he's describing this
as if it was our grocery list
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and shopping list,
and he just went to the store
to pick up milk and eggs.
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[Dr. Tussey] He seems to be
enjoying the thrill,
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the excitement of having
complete domination
over the victim
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and mentally manipulating him.
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"You do what I tell you,
and you'll survive.
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"You do what I tell you,
and you'll survive.
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But if not, then it's gonna
be a bad outcome."
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And he seems to thrive
off of that power.
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Blaming the victim
is part and parcel
of a psychopath's M.O.
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It's often
someone else's fault.
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And in this case, Mr. Bridges
is blaming the victim.
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"Well, he tried to get
out of the zip ties."
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And, you know,
"He was going to attack me,
so I had to attack him back."
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Almost as if
it's self-defense.
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Mr. Bridges uses the words
that he was "in the zone"
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while he was stabbing
the victim. It's typically
a term we use for sports,
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or something more positive
than murdering someone.
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For him, "in the zone" perhaps
means he was only focused
on completing his goal.
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[Dr. Sahni] Individuals that
are psychopathic
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often times do not experience
emotions in the same range
that the rest of us do.
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So often times their highs
take more to stimulate,
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So often times their highs
take more to stimulate,
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and their lows take more
to pull them out of.
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And this may be
what we're seeing
with Bridges in this moment,
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is that as he's recalling
the details of what
he did to the victim
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in those moments
when he was
physically stabbing him,
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he's getting a bit
of a secondary high
off of that.
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It's unclear if
there really was overkill,
or if it was a response
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to the amount of adrenaline
he may have been experiencing.
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But certainly the amount
of violence that he committed
against the victim
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was far more
than was necessary
to render him helpless.
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was far more
than was necessary
to render him helpless.
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[Dr. Tussey] Speaking of
Mr. Bridges' long history
of deviant behavior,
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it's noteworthy that,
according to the records,
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he had gotten
into multiple fights
while he was in school.
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He threatened
his mother with a knife.
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Uh, reportedly,
at age 15, he disclosed
that he wanted to kill someone
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just to see
what it was like
to kill someone.
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He ultimately did
murder someone by age 16.
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He ultimately did
murder someone by age 16.
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There's a lot of red flags
for psychopathic behavior
starting from early childhood.
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Mr. Bridges makes comments
such as, "I don't wanna
make a big stink of this,"
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Mr. Bridges makes comments
such as, "I don't wanna
make a big stink of this,"
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as if he's talking
about throwing out
days-old leftovers.
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But he's actually talking
about murdering someone.
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It's yet another attempt
of him to control
the players in the situation
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as if he's a puppeteer
and he's directing them
to do what he wants.
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The psychologist has never
seen anyone, to date,
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that is as psychopathic
or as dangerous as you are.
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You, in essence, have viewed
people like animals,
and you hunt them.
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Is that
what I'm to take from this?
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[judge] It is very clear
to this court that...
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the only way the public
is safe, is for you
to not have an opportunity
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the only way the public
is safe, is for you
to not have an opportunity
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to prey upon
an unsuspecting public again.