1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:02,133 You purchased tickets from the defendant, 2 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:04,900 sent her money, never got the tickets? 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:08,700 You have proof to me that you sent her the money? 4 00:00:08,767 --> 00:00:09,667 Yes, ma'am. 5 00:00:10,166 --> 00:00:12,066 And she sent you no tickets? 6 00:00:12,133 --> 00:00:13,734 Correct. Yes. 7 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:15,033 Can I explain why I did it? 8 00:00:15,100 --> 00:00:16,667 I'm waiting for your story. 9 00:00:16,734 --> 00:00:20,367 Make it one that this face is gonna believe and understand. 10 00:00:20,433 --> 00:00:23,066 [announcer] This is Judy Justice. 11 00:00:23,133 --> 00:00:26,133 [theme music playing] 12 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,367 [announcer] Jaclyn Okwumabua is suing ticket seller, 13 00:00:42,433 --> 00:00:43,734 Rayven Walker, 14 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,033 for a refund of music festival tickets. 15 00:00:48,100 --> 00:00:50,166 [Kevin] Court comes to order. All rise. 16 00:00:53,467 --> 00:00:54,467 Be seated, please. 17 00:00:55,333 --> 00:00:57,867 [Kevin] Hello, Judge. Case number 1167, 18 00:00:57,934 --> 00:01:00,667 Okwumabua versus Walker. 19 00:01:03,567 --> 00:01:04,800 [Judge Judy] That's a mouthful. 20 00:01:06,300 --> 00:01:08,166 Okwumabua? 21 00:01:08,233 --> 00:01:09,233 [Jaclyn] Okwumabua. 22 00:01:09,300 --> 00:01:10,233 How about O? 23 00:01:10,300 --> 00:01:12,000 [chuckles] Yeah. That works, Jacky O. 24 00:01:12,066 --> 00:01:13,333 [Judge Judy] Does that work... does that work for you? 25 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:14,600 - Yes, ma'am. - [Judge Judy] Okay. 26 00:01:14,667 --> 00:01:18,233 Ms. O, tell me about this concert you wanted to attend. 27 00:01:18,300 --> 00:01:20,667 It is a music festival. 28 00:01:21,433 --> 00:01:22,533 It's called Rolling Loud. 29 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:24,633 They have different locations. 30 00:01:25,367 --> 00:01:29,433 Basically, once the state started lifting their quarantine orders, 31 00:01:29,500 --> 00:01:33,400 the one in Miami was the first one that occurred. 32 00:01:33,467 --> 00:01:36,567 So that happened in July of this year, 2021. 33 00:01:36,633 --> 00:01:38,767 And that was the concert you wanted to attend? 34 00:01:38,834 --> 00:01:40,866 And that was the concert I wanted to, to attend. 35 00:01:40,934 --> 00:01:43,000 [Judge Judy] According to your complaint, you purchased tickets 36 00:01:43,066 --> 00:01:44,800 from the defendant, sent her money. 37 00:01:44,866 --> 00:01:46,200 She never sent the tickets? 38 00:01:46,265 --> 00:01:47,967 She says you never sent her the money. 39 00:01:48,033 --> 00:01:49,265 This is what the case is about. 40 00:01:49,333 --> 00:01:51,800 How did you locate the tickets? 41 00:01:51,866 --> 00:01:54,366 What do you mean by locate the tickets? 42 00:01:54,433 --> 00:01:58,333 If I want tickets to... I don't go to music festivals. 43 00:01:58,400 --> 00:01:59,967 - Uh-hmm. - [Judge Judy] I'm much too old 44 00:02:00,100 --> 00:02:01,333 for music festivals. 45 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:03,934 But if I wanted theater tickets, 46 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,033 - I call the Box Office. - [Jaclyn] Uh-hmm. 47 00:02:06,100 --> 00:02:07,033 Ticket agent. 48 00:02:07,100 --> 00:02:10,166 But I know that young people do things differently today. 49 00:02:10,233 --> 00:02:14,967 Their lives and their worlds are all tied up in the internet. 50 00:02:15,033 --> 00:02:16,066 [Jaclyn] Uh-hmm. 51 00:02:16,133 --> 00:02:17,867 [Judge Judy] So just to educate myself. 52 00:02:17,934 --> 00:02:21,367 [Jaclyn] Okay. So there's a lot of ways to purchase tickets. 53 00:02:21,433 --> 00:02:25,000 You can either go to the hosting website which is the Rolling Loud. 54 00:02:25,066 --> 00:02:28,567 You can also go through third parties website. 55 00:02:28,633 --> 00:02:30,066 And then the one I... 56 00:02:30,133 --> 00:02:32,700 [Judge Judy] How do you get to the third party website? 57 00:02:32,767 --> 00:02:34,600 You can Google. 58 00:02:34,667 --> 00:02:36,533 - You just go to the website. - [Jaclyn] You can Google 59 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,066 and depending on what concert you want to go to, 60 00:02:39,133 --> 00:02:42,333 you can just type it in and it will pull up, like, pricings. 61 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,133 And that way, people who want to sell their tickets, 62 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,466 I'm able to see them and I can pay for them 63 00:02:47,533 --> 00:02:49,233 and then have them get sent to me. 64 00:02:49,300 --> 00:02:50,700 Okay. Is that what you did with the defendant? 65 00:02:50,767 --> 00:02:53,066 [Jaclyn] No. What I did... and I was gonna... 66 00:02:53,133 --> 00:02:56,300 - So eliminate number one and number two. - [Jaclyn] Yes. 67 00:02:56,367 --> 00:02:58,533 So I went the route of joining 68 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:00,367 a private group via Facebook. 69 00:03:00,433 --> 00:03:01,266 - And it was... - And what's the name 70 00:03:01,333 --> 00:03:03,033 - of the private group? - Rolling Loud. 71 00:03:03,100 --> 00:03:04,533 Okay. Rolling Loud? 72 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:05,500 Yes. 73 00:03:05,567 --> 00:03:08,166 [Judge Judy] I'd just like to see what that looks like if it still exists. 74 00:03:08,233 --> 00:03:09,300 - Sure. - [Jaclyn] It does. 75 00:03:09,367 --> 00:03:10,166 - [Judge Judy] It does? - [Jaclyn] Yes. 76 00:03:10,233 --> 00:03:11,533 Just so that I understand it. 77 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:12,767 Yeah. No, that's fine. 78 00:03:12,834 --> 00:03:14,066 [Judge Judy] You can always learn something. 79 00:03:14,133 --> 00:03:14,934 [Jaclyn] Yeah. 80 00:03:15,934 --> 00:03:18,033 So it looks like there's a couple different groups, 81 00:03:18,100 --> 00:03:20,667 the one she's talking about is a private group. 82 00:03:20,734 --> 00:03:22,734 But it looks like a few of them have been taken down since then, 83 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:24,266 since the event has already happened. 84 00:03:24,333 --> 00:03:25,700 Right. That's what I thought. 85 00:03:25,767 --> 00:03:28,333 But could I just take a look and see what it looks like. 86 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:29,333 [Sarah] Sure. 87 00:03:31,100 --> 00:03:33,300 So this is official Facebook page. 88 00:03:33,367 --> 00:03:36,600 And then you can go to who else is following this page, 89 00:03:36,667 --> 00:03:37,667 that many people. 90 00:03:37,734 --> 00:03:39,433 And they create their own private groups 91 00:03:39,500 --> 00:03:41,333 in order to exchange tickets or sell them. 92 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,100 [Judge Judy] Okay. And is that how you found the defendant? 93 00:03:44,166 --> 00:03:45,567 - Yes. - On what date? 94 00:03:45,633 --> 00:03:48,667 I believe my first day of talking with her was June 4th. 95 00:03:48,734 --> 00:03:50,166 - I don't know... - [Judge Judy] Speaking to her 96 00:03:50,233 --> 00:03:51,867 - over the internet or... - Over the internet 97 00:03:51,934 --> 00:03:53,100 through Facebook, yes. 98 00:03:53,166 --> 00:03:55,567 I responded to her Facebook post, 99 00:03:55,633 --> 00:03:58,000 she had mentioned she had two VIP. 100 00:03:58,066 --> 00:04:00,133 Do you have that Facebook post? 101 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,533 I don't have the Facebook post. 102 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,834 I just have the messages that me and her exchanged. 103 00:04:05,900 --> 00:04:07,834 - May I see it? - [Jaclyn] Yes, you may. 104 00:04:09,333 --> 00:04:10,900 [Judge Judy] Where do you live by the way, Ms. O? 105 00:04:10,967 --> 00:04:14,567 [Jaclyn] I stay in Monterey Park, California. 106 00:04:14,633 --> 00:04:16,399 - And you? - Saint Louis, Missouri. 107 00:04:26,332 --> 00:04:28,100 What was wrong with your car, Ms. Walker? 108 00:04:28,166 --> 00:04:30,800 I was having transmission issues or what I thought at the time... 109 00:04:30,867 --> 00:04:33,000 - [Judge Judy] Just... - ...was transmission issues. 110 00:04:33,066 --> 00:04:34,834 How did that manifest itself? 111 00:04:34,900 --> 00:04:36,633 [Rayven] Just... it wasn't running properly. 112 00:04:36,700 --> 00:04:38,734 How do you think I knew you were having car trouble? 113 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:39,867 'Cause it was in the messages. 114 00:04:39,933 --> 00:04:41,633 No, your messages are deleted. 115 00:04:41,700 --> 00:04:43,033 - Okay. - [Judge Judy] Hers aren't. 116 00:04:43,100 --> 00:04:45,467 You can't delete her messages but you deleted yours. 117 00:04:45,533 --> 00:04:46,667 - Yes, ma'am. - So how do you think 118 00:04:46,734 --> 00:04:48,200 I know you had car trouble? 119 00:04:48,266 --> 00:04:49,667 I'm not quite sure. 120 00:04:49,734 --> 00:04:51,533 It might have been something that I wrote 121 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,033 in the Rolling Loud chat that I was having car troubles 122 00:04:54,100 --> 00:04:55,933 and that's why I was trying to sell tickets. 123 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:57,600 - Oh. - Then I'm not a hundred percent sure. 124 00:04:57,667 --> 00:05:00,567 Oh. I'm only looking at text messages, 125 00:05:00,633 --> 00:05:02,700 hers that you didn't delete 126 00:05:02,767 --> 00:05:04,934 - but yours that you did delete. - Uh-hmm. 127 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,633 I want you to dwell on that for a moment 128 00:05:07,700 --> 00:05:10,233 before you give me the next couple of answers. 129 00:05:10,300 --> 00:05:12,633 How did I know 130 00:05:12,700 --> 00:05:14,834 that you were having car trouble, 131 00:05:14,900 --> 00:05:19,433 when you purposely deleted all your messages to her? 132 00:05:19,500 --> 00:05:20,500 I don't know. 133 00:05:20,567 --> 00:05:23,100 [Judge Judy] I understand that you don't know. 134 00:05:23,166 --> 00:05:26,000 I want you to think about how I knew 135 00:05:26,066 --> 00:05:28,800 you had car trouble with your car 136 00:05:28,867 --> 00:05:30,967 when you don't say it in here? 137 00:05:31,033 --> 00:05:32,567 - Think about that. - Okay. 138 00:05:32,633 --> 00:05:33,834 [Judge Judy] I hope it makes you uncomfortable 139 00:05:33,900 --> 00:05:35,367 for the next couple of minutes. 140 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,734 So, you were going to go with a friend 141 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,400 and each of you were paying half of the money, 142 00:05:45,467 --> 00:05:47,867 the two tickets worth $1,500 143 00:05:47,933 --> 00:05:51,033 which the defendant needed to pay for her car? 144 00:05:51,100 --> 00:05:52,467 - Correct. - [Judge Judy] Which wasn't working? 145 00:05:52,533 --> 00:05:53,767 [Jaclyn] I... yeah. 146 00:05:53,834 --> 00:05:55,834 You have proof to me that you sent her the money for the tickets? 147 00:05:55,900 --> 00:05:57,266 [Jaclyn] I sure do. 148 00:05:57,332 --> 00:05:59,033 [Judge Judy] I'd like to see it. 149 00:05:59,100 --> 00:06:01,133 So I made my payments via Cash App. 150 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,533 I also have her confirmation of her sending me the money 151 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:06,066 and then I sent the whole... 152 00:06:06,133 --> 00:06:09,200 - I see it in your texts to her. - [Jaclyn] Okay. 153 00:06:09,266 --> 00:06:11,734 - Uh-hmm. - [Judge Judy] You got your money first 154 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:13,700 and you were waiting for your friends, 155 00:06:13,767 --> 00:06:14,900 sent your friends, 156 00:06:14,967 --> 00:06:18,233 she was at work, she'd be home in 15 minutes. 157 00:06:18,300 --> 00:06:19,533 Correct. Yes. [chuckles] 158 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:32,867 Okay. Now, I'm waiting for your story. 159 00:06:32,933 --> 00:06:34,834 Make it a good one, Ms. Walker. 160 00:06:34,900 --> 00:06:38,200 Make it one that this face that knew you were having car trouble... 161 00:06:38,266 --> 00:06:39,867 - [Rayven] So... - ...is gonna believe and understand. 162 00:06:39,933 --> 00:06:42,533 I met her through the Facebook group like she mentioned. 163 00:06:43,533 --> 00:06:46,467 We messaged for probably about a week I will say, 164 00:06:46,533 --> 00:06:47,800 just back and forth. 165 00:06:47,867 --> 00:06:49,567 We talked about her sending me the money. 166 00:06:49,633 --> 00:06:52,734 I am aware that her friend was going to send me the other half. 167 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,066 We talked about the address that I was supposed to send the tickets to, 168 00:06:55,133 --> 00:06:56,200 all this other stuff. 169 00:06:56,266 --> 00:06:57,734 She never sent me the money 170 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,767 and that's why nothing came of it. 171 00:06:59,834 --> 00:07:03,500 [Judge Judy] Explain to me why you deleted your text? 172 00:07:03,567 --> 00:07:06,967 Because she was someone that I wasn't talking to anymore, 173 00:07:07,033 --> 00:07:08,333 there were just... 174 00:07:10,433 --> 00:07:12,567 [theme music playing] 175 00:07:12,633 --> 00:07:14,233 [Judge Judy] I want anybody 176 00:07:14,300 --> 00:07:16,734 to raise their hand if they've ever 177 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:21,400 just deleted their portion of a conversation 178 00:07:21,467 --> 00:07:24,600 leaving only the dialogue of the other person? 179 00:07:24,667 --> 00:07:26,367 Look around. 180 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,233 [announcer] And later today. 181 00:07:29,300 --> 00:07:31,467 Oh, well, there is a caveat here. 182 00:07:31,533 --> 00:07:33,467 - May I say something, Your Honor? - [Judge Judy] No, no, no. 183 00:07:33,533 --> 00:07:34,633 - No, no, no. - He wasn't truthful to me. 184 00:07:34,700 --> 00:07:36,166 [Judge Judy] It's a... I... don't... 185 00:07:36,233 --> 00:07:38,433 - [Julio] He didn't... - You asked me if you can say something, 186 00:07:38,500 --> 00:07:40,967 I said no. What part of no didn't you understand? 187 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,400 [theme music playing] 188 00:07:51,834 --> 00:07:55,066 [announcer] Jaclyn Okwumabua claims ticket seller, 189 00:07:55,133 --> 00:07:57,800 Rayven Walker, is responsible for the cost 190 00:07:57,867 --> 00:08:01,433 of music festival tickets she never received. 191 00:08:01,500 --> 00:08:03,066 What I want to know is, 192 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,734 say to myself, "Self, 193 00:08:09,033 --> 00:08:11,266 why would I go through the trouble 194 00:08:11,333 --> 00:08:14,633 of just deleting my answers 195 00:08:14,700 --> 00:08:17,266 to somebody's texts? 196 00:08:17,332 --> 00:08:18,967 Why would I do that?" 197 00:08:19,033 --> 00:08:21,633 We're gonna do a survey here, Ms. Walker. 198 00:08:21,700 --> 00:08:23,200 - Okay. - [Judge Judy] We have a gallery, 199 00:08:23,266 --> 00:08:25,233 we have four people here. 200 00:08:25,300 --> 00:08:27,667 I know this person intimately. 201 00:08:27,734 --> 00:08:29,667 I know that she uses her machine 202 00:08:29,734 --> 00:08:32,400 to communicate with the majority of the world. 203 00:08:32,467 --> 00:08:35,265 I don't know about Whitney that much, 204 00:08:35,332 --> 00:08:37,000 she's a tad older, 205 00:08:37,066 --> 00:08:38,834 but still uses the internet. 206 00:08:38,900 --> 00:08:40,467 - Uh-hmm. - [Judge Judy] Kevin, 207 00:08:40,533 --> 00:08:43,967 I'm not so sure how often he uses the internet. 208 00:08:44,033 --> 00:08:45,300 [Kevin chuckles] 209 00:08:45,367 --> 00:08:47,934 [Judge Judy] Feel he'd rather be puttering around his house, 210 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:49,400 fixing things, 211 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:51,567 but maybe once in a while. 212 00:08:51,633 --> 00:08:54,633 And I don't know about the people here but I see a lot of young people. 213 00:08:54,700 --> 00:08:56,633 I want anybody 214 00:08:56,700 --> 00:09:01,600 to raise their hand if they've ever just deleted 215 00:09:01,667 --> 00:09:04,567 their portion of a conversation 216 00:09:04,633 --> 00:09:06,533 that they've had with somebody, 217 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,100 just their portion of the conversation, 218 00:09:09,166 --> 00:09:12,300 leaving only the dialog of the other person, 219 00:09:12,367 --> 00:09:13,967 has anybody ever done that? 220 00:09:15,233 --> 00:09:16,467 Look around. 221 00:09:18,266 --> 00:09:19,200 Not a soul. 222 00:09:19,266 --> 00:09:20,233 Do you know why? 223 00:09:20,300 --> 00:09:21,333 Can I explain why I did it? 224 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:23,200 You just told me why you did it. 225 00:09:23,266 --> 00:09:26,166 You wanna read back to me, Whitney, why she told me she did it? 226 00:09:28,233 --> 00:09:30,700 Just not logical, right? 227 00:09:30,767 --> 00:09:32,600 You mean, deleting the whole conversation? 228 00:09:32,667 --> 00:09:34,700 Yeah. Delete the whole conversation maybe. 229 00:09:35,700 --> 00:09:39,066 : So you asked her, "Explain to me why you deleted your text?" 230 00:09:39,133 --> 00:09:42,100 She said, "Because she was someone that I wasn't talking to anymore." 231 00:09:42,165 --> 00:09:43,433 That's exactly right. 232 00:09:43,500 --> 00:09:45,467 Judgment for the plaintiff in the amount of... 233 00:09:45,533 --> 00:09:47,000 you sent $1,500? 234 00:09:47,066 --> 00:09:48,100 Yes, I did. 235 00:09:48,165 --> 00:09:50,233 Fifteen hundred... and she sent you no tickets? 236 00:09:50,300 --> 00:09:52,066 - She sent me no tickets. - [Judge Judy] We're done. 237 00:09:52,133 --> 00:09:53,533 Thank you very much. 238 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:55,633 [Kevin] Court is adjourned. 239 00:09:55,700 --> 00:09:57,400 She didn't send me any money, so. 240 00:09:57,467 --> 00:09:59,834 It sucks that I have to give her something that I didn't receive. 241 00:09:59,900 --> 00:10:02,500 Judge Judy, she saw the receipts for herself, so. 242 00:10:02,567 --> 00:10:04,133 My transactions for my Cash App, 243 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:05,767 there was nothing ever sent on that day. 244 00:10:05,834 --> 00:10:07,333 There was nothing ever sent, period. 245 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:09,800 Unfortunately, you got to reap what you sow at some point, right? 246 00:10:11,533 --> 00:10:15,166 [Judge Judy] Did you ever buy anything from a private person on the internet? 247 00:10:15,233 --> 00:10:16,567 I personally have not. 248 00:10:16,633 --> 00:10:19,900 I'll buy them direct from the website as she was mentioning. 249 00:10:19,967 --> 00:10:22,300 I've used those, but never just on Facebook 250 00:10:22,367 --> 00:10:24,367 or Craigslist or anything like that. 251 00:10:24,433 --> 00:10:26,633 If you buy from private person, 252 00:10:26,700 --> 00:10:29,500 what recourse do you have if you don't get the merchandise 253 00:10:29,567 --> 00:10:30,834 that you've agreed to? 254 00:10:30,900 --> 00:10:32,233 [Sarah] Honestly, that's why I don't do it. 255 00:10:32,300 --> 00:10:33,667 I don't believe there really is one. 256 00:10:33,734 --> 00:10:36,066 And I think that someone who wants to get around the system 257 00:10:36,133 --> 00:10:39,000 and potentially scam people, that's the easiest way to do it. 258 00:10:39,066 --> 00:10:43,133 I remember one case we had years and years ago, Sarah. 259 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,233 Somebody advertising, 260 00:10:45,300 --> 00:10:47,800 had a photo of the most current iPhone 261 00:10:47,867 --> 00:10:48,867 - with a price. - [Sarah] Uh-hmm. 262 00:10:48,934 --> 00:10:52,033 [Judge Judy] And the plaintiff sent the money for the phone 263 00:10:52,100 --> 00:10:56,066 and in return, got the photograph of the phone. 264 00:10:56,133 --> 00:10:57,600 [Sarah] I've seen many stories like that. 265 00:10:57,667 --> 00:10:59,400 [Judge Judy] And that was the case. 266 00:10:59,467 --> 00:11:02,000 And she said that, "Well, that's what I was selling. 267 00:11:02,066 --> 00:11:03,633 It was a photograph of a phone." 268 00:11:03,700 --> 00:11:06,633 I said, "This is a cautionary tale 269 00:11:06,700 --> 00:11:08,367 to anybody who purchases things 270 00:11:08,433 --> 00:11:10,567 - from unknown people..." - [Sarah] Independent. Uh-hmm. 271 00:11:10,633 --> 00:11:12,333 "...where you have no recourse." 272 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:13,734 - [Sarah] I agree. - Okay. 273 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:15,667 Case number 1166. 274 00:11:15,734 --> 00:11:18,266 David versus Paz, please step forward. 275 00:11:18,333 --> 00:11:21,533 [announcer] Sherman Davis is suing furniture stager, 276 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:25,934 Julio Paz, for storage fees and the cost of furniture. 277 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,166 Mr. Davis, let me see if I can briefly state 278 00:11:29,233 --> 00:11:31,000 what I believe your cause of action is. 279 00:11:31,066 --> 00:11:33,233 I believe your cause of action is in contract. 280 00:11:33,300 --> 00:11:35,233 Now, you own a property. 281 00:11:35,300 --> 00:11:37,934 Some three years ago, you asked the defendant 282 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:39,900 who was in the business of staging 283 00:11:39,967 --> 00:11:42,033 with furniture properties for the purposes 284 00:11:42,100 --> 00:11:43,800 of being either sold or rented. 285 00:11:43,867 --> 00:11:47,600 You asked him to stage an eight-room property, 286 00:11:47,667 --> 00:11:49,667 and you signed a contract. 287 00:11:49,734 --> 00:11:52,934 And the defendant did in fact stage a property 288 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:54,934 that you wanted to rent. 289 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:56,000 - So far, correct? - That's correct. 290 00:11:56,066 --> 00:11:58,934 [Judge Judy] You have to say, this is both video and audio. 291 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:00,633 So you can't... 292 00:12:00,700 --> 00:12:02,734 - Yes. - Yes. Good. What? 293 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:06,200 It's just a small misunderstanding there in the sense that I sold it to him. 294 00:12:06,266 --> 00:12:08,433 - I didn't stage it. - Do you have a contract? 295 00:12:08,500 --> 00:12:10,333 - Yeah. He... - [Judge Judy] All right. 296 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,266 I'm surprised you don't have a copy of this contract? 297 00:12:12,333 --> 00:12:13,834 - You're in business. - Oh, I have it right here. 298 00:12:13,900 --> 00:12:14,967 [Judge Judy] So you have it on your phone? 299 00:12:15,033 --> 00:12:16,033 Yeah. Yeah. 300 00:12:16,100 --> 00:12:18,700 Yeah, it would have been nice if you printed it out so that you had it. 301 00:12:18,767 --> 00:12:21,000 That would have been smart because you're dealing with somebody 302 00:12:21,066 --> 00:12:24,000 who is not a millennial, who likes to see things, 303 00:12:24,066 --> 00:12:27,266 that I can touch, that I can bang. 304 00:12:27,333 --> 00:12:30,000 If it's in the phone, I don't have it. 305 00:12:30,066 --> 00:12:33,967 In any event, you signed a contract, you staged it, that was three years ago. 306 00:12:34,033 --> 00:12:36,767 He says within three years, you had an agreement, 307 00:12:36,834 --> 00:12:40,800 and it's in the contract that you would buy back the furniture 308 00:12:40,867 --> 00:12:42,800 for which he paid $10,000... 309 00:12:42,867 --> 00:12:46,000 - That's correct. - ...from him for $3,500. 310 00:12:46,066 --> 00:12:48,934 And he advised you within that three-year period 311 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,266 that he wanted to exercise that part of the contract 312 00:12:52,333 --> 00:12:56,100 that says that you would buy back the furniture for $3,500, 313 00:12:56,165 --> 00:12:58,533 and you declined to do that. 314 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,433 And as an excuse for declining to do that, 315 00:13:01,500 --> 00:13:02,967 I'm just telling you what his claim is, 316 00:13:03,033 --> 00:13:06,367 you say that he moved the furniture 317 00:13:06,433 --> 00:13:10,000 from where you had originally staged it, someplace else. 318 00:13:10,066 --> 00:13:14,633 And that was your reason for not honoring the contract 319 00:13:14,700 --> 00:13:16,200 to buy back the furniture. 320 00:13:16,266 --> 00:13:18,000 - Do I have that right? - Part of it. 321 00:13:18,066 --> 00:13:19,266 What part is wrong? 322 00:13:19,333 --> 00:13:22,166 That I never refused not to buy the furniture from him. 323 00:13:22,233 --> 00:13:23,800 On the contrary, I wanted to buy it. 324 00:13:23,867 --> 00:13:27,033 It was a great situation for us to buy it at the price we were buying it, 325 00:13:27,100 --> 00:13:29,200 - only $3,600. - So? 326 00:13:29,266 --> 00:13:34,066 Well, when he finally contact me about the house being back off the market 327 00:13:34,133 --> 00:13:38,233 or that he had sold it that he would like to exercise the option for me to buy it, 328 00:13:38,300 --> 00:13:40,367 I said, "Sure. Give me a couple of days. 329 00:13:40,433 --> 00:13:41,700 I'm doing a couple of stagings. 330 00:13:41,767 --> 00:13:43,467 We'll come by, check it out. 331 00:13:43,533 --> 00:13:45,667 If everything is in good condition, we'll buy it all. 332 00:13:45,734 --> 00:13:47,433 If not, we'll buy the pieces that are still, 333 00:13:47,500 --> 00:13:48,567 because it'd been three years." 334 00:13:48,633 --> 00:13:50,467 So what happened, he goes, "Well, uh, we..." 335 00:13:50,533 --> 00:13:52,500 - Well, that's not what the contract says. - "...don't have put it in the storage." 336 00:13:52,567 --> 00:13:53,834 - That's not... - [Julio] And I go, "In a storage?" 337 00:13:53,900 --> 00:13:55,533 He goes, "Yeah, everything is in lockers." 338 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:57,300 And I say, "In lockers?" 339 00:13:57,367 --> 00:14:00,166 I say, "How you expect me to inspect it 340 00:14:00,233 --> 00:14:03,066 if you put it in lockers and all the comforters 341 00:14:03,133 --> 00:14:04,567 and everything in boxes, 342 00:14:04,633 --> 00:14:06,333 you're gonna have to take it out of the locker 343 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,600 and put it anywhere that we can inspect it 344 00:14:08,667 --> 00:14:10,967 because I'm not going to buy this lot blind 345 00:14:11,033 --> 00:14:12,433 - like you're expecting me." - Well, I have to see what the contract-- 346 00:14:12,500 --> 00:14:14,000 I have to see what the contract is. 347 00:14:14,066 --> 00:14:15,667 Yeah. We have a list of the furniture and the items. 348 00:14:15,734 --> 00:14:16,734 - [Judge Judy] Just a second. - Okay. 349 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:17,834 May I see it, please? May I-- 350 00:14:17,900 --> 00:14:19,533 - [Sherman] Yup. - No, I wanna see the contract. 351 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:20,834 - [Sherman] Yes, that's the contract... - Great. 352 00:14:20,900 --> 00:14:22,767 [Sherman] ...with the list of furniture that he provided. 353 00:14:22,834 --> 00:14:23,834 Okay. 354 00:14:23,900 --> 00:14:26,000 So let's go back just for a second. 355 00:14:26,066 --> 00:14:29,233 You did this contract in 2018. 356 00:14:29,300 --> 00:14:31,867 As it turned out according to what I read in your complaint, 357 00:14:31,934 --> 00:14:34,433 - your tenant didn't want the furniture? - Correct. 358 00:14:34,500 --> 00:14:36,467 - So you took out the furniture? - Yes. 359 00:14:36,533 --> 00:14:38,533 - [Judge Judy] And that was in 2018? - Yes. 360 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:40,934 [Judge Judy] What did you do with the furniture, Mr. Davis? 361 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:42,834 - So the plan is-- - [Judge Judy] And I don't wanna know 362 00:14:42,900 --> 00:14:44,266 - what the plan was. - [Sherman] Okay. 363 00:14:44,333 --> 00:14:48,934 I wanna know, he put the furniture in eight rooms. 364 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,633 You took the furniture out because the tenant said, 365 00:14:51,700 --> 00:14:54,433 "I don't want that. I have my own furniture," whatever it is. 366 00:14:54,500 --> 00:14:57,165 I wanna know in 2018, 367 00:14:57,233 --> 00:14:59,233 'cause I read--I read everything. 368 00:15:00,300 --> 00:15:02,333 And I pick up nuances. 369 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:06,767 What did you do with the furniture in 2018? 370 00:15:09,033 --> 00:15:12,100 My son's girlfriend warned me that I shouldn't interrupt you 371 00:15:12,166 --> 00:15:13,200 because you will get angry. 372 00:15:13,266 --> 00:15:14,266 And I can't believe I'm doing it. 373 00:15:14,333 --> 00:15:16,100 She put it on my notes. Do not interrupt her. 374 00:15:16,166 --> 00:15:17,700 I apologize. 375 00:15:17,767 --> 00:15:19,133 Do not interrupt? 376 00:15:24,734 --> 00:15:26,934 [intense music playing] 377 00:15:30,533 --> 00:15:34,800 [announcer] Sherman Davis claims furniture stager, Julio Paz, 378 00:15:34,867 --> 00:15:36,500 broke their agreement 379 00:15:36,567 --> 00:15:39,800 when he refused to buy back staging furniture from Sherman. 380 00:15:39,867 --> 00:15:41,233 Now, what did you do? 381 00:15:41,300 --> 00:15:42,600 The original intent to the furniture... 382 00:15:42,667 --> 00:15:44,967 I don't care what the intent was. 383 00:15:45,033 --> 00:15:48,767 - Yeah. - It went into a staged unit 384 00:15:48,834 --> 00:15:50,165 for you to sell. 385 00:15:50,233 --> 00:15:51,934 - That's what it was, paid... - [Sherman] Yeah. 386 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,333 ...$10,000 for it, the tenant didn't want it. 387 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:56,600 I'm not gonna ask you the question again... 388 00:15:56,667 --> 00:15:57,800 - [Sherman] Okay. - ...while you figure out 389 00:15:57,867 --> 00:15:59,000 what you're going to say to me, 390 00:15:59,066 --> 00:16:00,900 what you're going to say to me is the truth. 391 00:16:00,967 --> 00:16:02,233 - [Sherman] Yeah. - What did you do 392 00:16:02,300 --> 00:16:04,567 with the furniture in 2018? 393 00:16:04,633 --> 00:16:06,433 - We moved the furniture out. - [Judge Judy] To where? 394 00:16:06,500 --> 00:16:07,867 To a storage unit. 395 00:16:07,934 --> 00:16:12,200 Immediately from the apartment house, the eight rooms, 396 00:16:12,266 --> 00:16:14,700 you moved the furniture to a storage unit? 397 00:16:14,767 --> 00:16:16,700 - Yes. - What month and year? 398 00:16:16,767 --> 00:16:19,600 The tenant moved into-- occupied our house 399 00:16:19,667 --> 00:16:22,867 on December 21st, 2018. 400 00:16:22,934 --> 00:16:24,133 Oh, my God. 401 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,367 I have, the lease agreement states that they moved in 402 00:16:27,433 --> 00:16:29,233 - on December 21st-- - [Judge Judy] Just a second. 403 00:16:29,300 --> 00:16:32,667 When did you put the furniture in storage? 404 00:16:32,734 --> 00:16:35,165 So, the furniture was put in storage 405 00:16:35,233 --> 00:16:37,900 the week prior to when they moved in. 406 00:16:37,967 --> 00:16:41,033 So 12/10/2018. 407 00:16:41,100 --> 00:16:43,700 And it has remained in storage ever since? 408 00:16:43,767 --> 00:16:45,667 - Yes. - [Judge Judy] It has not been moved 409 00:16:45,734 --> 00:16:47,266 from the original storage unit. 410 00:16:47,333 --> 00:16:49,233 No, it's been there the whole-- entire time. 411 00:16:49,300 --> 00:16:51,266 [Judge Judy] Okay. So let's see what it says. 412 00:16:58,333 --> 00:17:00,567 Oh, well, there is a caveat here. 413 00:17:00,633 --> 00:17:02,867 - May I say something? - [Judge Judy] No, no, no. 414 00:17:02,934 --> 00:17:04,367 - No, no, no. - [Julio] He wasn't truthful to me. 415 00:17:04,433 --> 00:17:05,834 - I--don't-- - [Julio] He didn't-- 416 00:17:05,900 --> 00:17:07,532 You asked me if you can say something. 417 00:17:07,599 --> 00:17:10,099 I said no. What part of no didn't you understand? 418 00:17:10,165 --> 00:17:11,733 - Okay, Your Honor. - [Judge Judy] Maybe your wife 419 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:13,233 doesn't let you do that. I--not me. 420 00:17:13,300 --> 00:17:14,700 She left me for that too many years ago, Your Honor. 421 00:17:14,767 --> 00:17:15,767 Yeah. 422 00:17:17,165 --> 00:17:18,400 There's a reason. 423 00:17:18,467 --> 00:17:21,233 I got a ADDH, so it's hard for me to listen, sorry. 424 00:17:21,300 --> 00:17:23,900 - Is the furniture still in storage? - Yes. 425 00:17:23,967 --> 00:17:28,834 Then how do you expect him to satisfy a condition 426 00:17:28,900 --> 00:17:30,967 of this agreement, Mr. Davis? 427 00:17:31,033 --> 00:17:32,567 This was a simple contract agreement. 428 00:17:32,633 --> 00:17:35,400 I was absolutely prepared to rule in your favor. 429 00:17:35,467 --> 00:17:38,400 Furniture should be in good reasonable condition. 430 00:17:38,467 --> 00:17:41,700 How do you expect him to view furniture 431 00:17:41,767 --> 00:17:44,066 that has been packed in storage 432 00:17:44,133 --> 00:17:46,600 to see if it's in good and reasonable condition? 433 00:17:46,667 --> 00:17:48,800 The furniture's there for him to come out inspect it. 434 00:17:48,867 --> 00:17:51,133 [Judge Judy] Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's not on him. 435 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:52,200 That's on you. 436 00:17:52,266 --> 00:17:53,633 [Sherman] The furniture was never used though. 437 00:17:53,700 --> 00:17:55,233 - We just moved the furniture... - [Judge Judy] Just a second. 438 00:17:55,300 --> 00:17:57,166 - ...from the house to the storage unit. - [Judge Judy] You're asking him 439 00:17:57,233 --> 00:18:00,066 to believe that that's true. 440 00:18:00,133 --> 00:18:02,867 He's allowed to see whether mice got in the furniture 441 00:18:02,934 --> 00:18:04,567 and storage in three years, 442 00:18:04,633 --> 00:18:08,100 whether it's got mold and mildew after three years, 443 00:18:08,166 --> 00:18:10,166 it's your responsibility, 444 00:18:10,233 --> 00:18:12,633 yours to lay it all out 445 00:18:12,700 --> 00:18:14,367 so that he can come and look at it. 446 00:18:14,433 --> 00:18:17,533 And then you fulfill that provision of a contract. 447 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:19,066 He says he'll buy it back. 448 00:18:19,133 --> 00:18:21,266 It has to be in good and reasonable condition. 449 00:18:21,333 --> 00:18:22,967 And I'm-- I was willing to do that. But he... 450 00:18:23,033 --> 00:18:25,266 [Judge Judy] Well then, I tell you what you do. 451 00:18:25,333 --> 00:18:30,100 You arrange for all the furniture to be unpacked in a location 452 00:18:30,166 --> 00:18:34,533 where he can view it and see that it is in good and reasonable condition, 453 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:39,133 not eaten by rats, has no mold, has no mildew. 454 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,266 All eight rooms laid out. 455 00:18:41,333 --> 00:18:43,467 And you do that within five days. 456 00:18:43,533 --> 00:18:44,533 Okay. 457 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:45,734 [Julio] I'd love to buy it, Your Honor. 458 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:47,533 - [Judge Judy] Just a--just a-- - Furniture prices went up 40% right now. 459 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,000 - [Judge Judy] Just listen. - So I get a great deal. 460 00:18:49,066 --> 00:18:50,166 Love to buy it from you. 461 00:18:51,467 --> 00:18:54,333 ADHD, Your Honor, I'm sorry. I apologize. 462 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:55,400 My bad. 463 00:18:55,467 --> 00:18:58,367 My son's girlfriend warned me that I shouldn't interrupt you 464 00:18:58,433 --> 00:19:01,533 because her grandmother watched you for many years and you will get angry. 465 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:03,633 And I can't believe I'm doing it she put it on my notes, 466 00:19:03,700 --> 00:19:06,233 "Do not interrupt her." I apologize. 467 00:19:06,300 --> 00:19:07,367 - Well, she should've added... - [Julio] Sorry... 468 00:19:07,433 --> 00:19:08,600 [Judge Judy] ...do not interrupt her, 469 00:19:08,667 --> 00:19:09,834 especially when it appears to be you're winning. 470 00:19:09,900 --> 00:19:11,033 She also told me... 471 00:19:11,100 --> 00:19:12,500 Do not interrupt, 472 00:19:13,700 --> 00:19:16,600 when it appears you get exactly what you want. 473 00:19:16,667 --> 00:19:18,600 So, these are the ground rules. 474 00:19:18,667 --> 00:19:22,800 If you want him to buy back the furniture within five days from today, 475 00:19:22,867 --> 00:19:25,500 you arrange for the furniture to come out of storage. 476 00:19:25,567 --> 00:19:27,934 You give him 48 hours' notice 477 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:31,166 where the furniture will be totally laid out. 478 00:19:31,233 --> 00:19:35,200 You may have to rent a stage somewhere for a day. 479 00:19:35,266 --> 00:19:36,400 That's gonna cost you money, 480 00:19:36,467 --> 00:19:38,667 but he doesn't have to buy a pig in a poke. 481 00:19:38,734 --> 00:19:42,266 And there's a condition precedent in your contract 482 00:19:42,333 --> 00:19:45,233 that the furniture has to be in good condition. 483 00:19:45,300 --> 00:19:46,800 Now, as far as I'm concerned, 484 00:19:46,867 --> 00:19:49,433 once your tenant didn't want the furniture, 485 00:19:49,500 --> 00:19:51,266 instead of putting it in storage, 486 00:19:51,333 --> 00:19:53,834 you're gonna make the money up from the tenants anyway. 487 00:19:53,900 --> 00:19:56,233 You say to him then, in December, 488 00:19:56,300 --> 00:19:59,834 listen before I put it in storage, you say you'd buy it back for $3,500. 489 00:19:59,900 --> 00:20:02,734 I'm prepared to eat the loss because I'm gonna make it up 490 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:04,467 in rent over the next 12 months. 491 00:20:04,533 --> 00:20:07,867 Instead--you put it storage, he's not responsible for your storage. 492 00:20:07,934 --> 00:20:10,834 So, within five days from today, on 48 hours' notice 493 00:20:10,900 --> 00:20:13,133 you're going to lay out all the furniture. 494 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,066 If you don't do that, you don't get your money. 495 00:20:16,133 --> 00:20:18,200 And it's your furniture. Do you understand? 496 00:20:18,266 --> 00:20:20,200 - Yes. But what about the storage fees? - [Judge Judy] Perfect. 497 00:20:20,266 --> 00:20:22,633 He's not responsible for your storage fees. 498 00:20:22,700 --> 00:20:24,100 That's my ruling. 499 00:20:24,166 --> 00:20:27,533 I'm abiding by the terms of the written contract 500 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:29,367 that you signed with him. 501 00:20:29,433 --> 00:20:30,667 - Do you understand? - Okay. 502 00:20:30,734 --> 00:20:32,233 Perfect. That's the ruling. 503 00:20:32,300 --> 00:20:34,333 You'll get a copy of it. Goodbye. 504 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,467 Who was it, your sister told you to be quiet? 505 00:20:36,533 --> 00:20:38,767 - I'm sorry? - [Judge Judy] Your sister! 506 00:20:38,834 --> 00:20:41,133 No, it's my son's daughter, uh, girlfriend... 507 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,967 [Judge Judy] I don't care. I actually--I withdraw that question. 508 00:20:44,033 --> 00:20:45,333 - I don't care. - [Kevin] Court is... 509 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,100 - Your Honor... - [Kevin] Court is adjourned. 510 00:20:48,667 --> 00:20:50,567 When he actually contact me recently, 511 00:20:50,633 --> 00:20:52,467 all he told me was the house was sold. 512 00:20:52,533 --> 00:20:55,233 Now I wanna exercise my option for you to buy it. 513 00:20:55,300 --> 00:20:57,767 Well, it's a little frustrating, because I did reach out to him. 514 00:20:57,834 --> 00:21:00,667 And he actually blamed me that the reason it was in storage 515 00:21:00,734 --> 00:21:02,967 was because I didn't-- got back to him quick, 516 00:21:03,033 --> 00:21:04,200 which was not true either. 517 00:21:04,266 --> 00:21:07,700 About a year later, and he declined to come 518 00:21:07,767 --> 00:21:08,767 and pick up the furniture. 519 00:21:08,834 --> 00:21:10,600 If I get the furniture, it will be a good thing for me 520 00:21:10,667 --> 00:21:13,967 because the furniture prices are super high 521 00:21:14,033 --> 00:21:16,500 because of the problem with the shipping overseas. 522 00:21:16,567 --> 00:21:18,133 I mean, it's very dated furniture. 523 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,767 It's furniture that's really undesirable. 524 00:21:20,834 --> 00:21:24,000 I would love for him to actually call me and I'll, 525 00:21:24,066 --> 00:21:25,934 I definitely would buy it and--I need it. 526 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,567 Yeah, I'll follow-- I'll pursue what the judge said, so. 527 00:21:30,033 --> 00:21:32,700 It makes my work so easy when there's a contract. 528 00:21:32,767 --> 00:21:33,900 (chuckles) It's interesting. 529 00:21:33,967 --> 00:21:36,266 When I read that-- the complaint and answer, you read it. 530 00:21:36,333 --> 00:21:38,767 - Uh-hmm. - It looked pretty straightforward. 531 00:21:38,834 --> 00:21:39,900 Yeah, it did. 532 00:21:39,967 --> 00:21:43,767 I thought he really refused to abide by a portion of the contract. 533 00:21:43,834 --> 00:21:46,633 But it was really the plaintiff that did not satisfy the condition 534 00:21:46,700 --> 00:21:48,900 precedent to him buying back the furniture. 535 00:21:48,967 --> 00:21:50,500 Which was to be able to look at it. 536 00:21:50,567 --> 00:21:53,166 - Yeah. - It's not his obligation to display it. 537 00:21:53,233 --> 00:21:55,233 - Uh-hmm. - It's the plaintiff's obligation 538 00:21:55,300 --> 00:21:57,467 to let him see whether after three years... 539 00:21:57,533 --> 00:21:58,633 - Uh-hmm. - [Judge Judy] I didn't know 540 00:21:58,700 --> 00:22:02,533 whether I would rely on what happens to the furniture. 541 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:04,000 - Yeah, you never know. - [Judge Judy] You don't. 542 00:22:04,066 --> 00:22:06,266 So anyway, I think that that was-- 543 00:22:06,333 --> 00:22:08,600 - it made the resolution of it so easy. - [Sarah] Uh-hmm. 544 00:22:08,667 --> 00:22:13,300 People should pay attention to a contract, read it. 545 00:22:13,367 --> 00:22:14,967 - Abide by it. - [Judge Judy] Right. 546 00:22:15,033 --> 00:22:17,266 Makes your life in courts much easier. 547 00:22:17,333 --> 00:22:18,333 [Sarah] Yeah. 548 00:22:20,033 --> 00:22:23,533 [announcer] Want justice? 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