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You made a child together?

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Yes, ma'am.

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Every once in a while,
you fight with her and she kicks you out,

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and then she lets you back in,

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- right?
- [Dale] Right.

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[Judge Judy] And you have a fight,
and she kicks you out,

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making the same mistake
over, and over, and over again?

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You can't get along, don't live together,

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you have a child
who's growing up with two crazies.

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[announcer] This is Judy Justice.

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[theme music playing]

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[announcer]
Dale Eber is suing his former girlfriend

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and the mother of their daughter,
Ginger Gibbens,

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for wrongful eviction

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and the value of his property.

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[Kevin] Court come to order.

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[Judge Judy] Have a seat, please.

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- Hello, Judge.
- Good morning, Kevin.

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Case number 1160, Eber versus Gibbons.

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- Thank you.
- [Kevin] You're welcome.

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Oh, Mr. Eber?

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Yes, ma'am.

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[Judge Judy] I don't know, there's a
saying about somebody

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who doesn't learn from experience,

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they keep making the same mistake
over, and over, and over again

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and I've read your complaint.

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You and the defendant
had a long-standing relationship

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only through the fact
that you made a child together.

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That child is now how old?

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Six.

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[Judge Judy] Every once in a while,

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you sort of float in,

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and then you fight with her,

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and she kicks you out,

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and you stay out for a few months,

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- and then she lets you back in, right?
- Right.

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[Judge Judy] And you're together
for a little bit, and you have a fight,

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and she kicks you out,
and then you're out,

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and you live in your truck,
you stay with friends,

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whatever it is, and then...

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you come back.

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According to your complaint,
probably happened more often

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but it happened recently
in the last couple of years, three times.

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Yes, ma'am.

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[Judge Judy] And so the first thing
that you are alleging

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is that she has committed
on three separate occasions recently,

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probably happened many times,
but that's wrongful eviction.

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Right.

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[chuckles]

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A couple of questions before
I actually put the fourth line

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through this wrongful eviction claim.

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In any of the recent times

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that she gave you the boot,
were you on a lease?

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No.

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How could she evict you
if you weren't on the lease?

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[Dale] Well, I moved in there with her
when she moved in,

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uh, lived with her from day one.

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From day one, what is day one?

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- Give me day one.
- [Dale] February of, uh, 2020.

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[Judge Judy] Well, February of 2020,
your daughter was five.

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- And you were not on the lease?
- [Dale] No.

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[Judge Judy] And how long did you
live there before she threw you out?

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Three or four months.

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[Judge Judy] Okay. Then you had a fight?

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Yeah.

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And she called the police,
tossed you out?

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- [Dale] I called the police.
- [Judge Judy] Oh, you called the police,

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she said, "He's not on the lease,"
they tossed you out.

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- [Dale] Right.
- [Judge Judy] How did you get back?

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[Dale] I was living in my car,
I had nowhere to go.

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- So, I mean, it was after...
- [Judge Judy] Okay.

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So you were living in your car,
you had nowhere to go, and?

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[Dale] Well, we had both lost everything
in the campfire

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so we were, um,
we, we both moved in there together.

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She's--when she started
collecting welfare,

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um, I was still living there
and helping with, you know [indistinct]

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[Judge Judy] This is much--
too much information for me, sir.

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When you moved back in with her,

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that was after
she had thrown you out once.

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- Right.
- [Judge Judy] Did you say,

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"I'll move back in with you
but I wanna be on the lease"?

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- No.
- [Judge Judy] No?

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So that you knew from the first time

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that if the police were called,
she's gonna say,

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"He not on the lease
and he doesn't live here."

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So you moved back in with her,

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with your daughter, 'cause
your daughter remained with her.

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[Dale] Right.

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In what month?

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[Dale] I can't really recall the dates.

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[Judge Judy] Well, I, I certainly don't
remember, she doesn't have to help you.

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And then she threw you out again,
were the police called?

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Yes, I called--I've called the cops
every time that we've,

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we've had a problem with her drug use.

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[Judge Judy] Okay.
You called the police?

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Uh-hmm.

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- [Judge Judy] I assume that that's a yes.
- Yes.

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[Judge Judy] And when the police came,
they told you to leave, and you left.

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- Yup.
- Yup is a yes?

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Yes, sorry.

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[Judge Judy] And then you went and
stayed in your car again?

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- [Dale] Right.
- [Judge Judy] For how long?

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[Dale] A couple months.

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How'd you get back in?

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[Dale] The third time I get in it
was the last time. I bought an RV...

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[Judge Judy]
Well, so far I know two times,

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so it's only two times
that she threw you out.

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Uh, it was more than two,
it was more than twice.

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Let's move on to something else
where you might be more successful.

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Return of rent, what rent do you want?

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[Dale] I have, uh, evidence right here
of moneys that I've given her.

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[Judge Judy] I don't care
what money you gave her.

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When you paid rent the months
that you were living there...

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Yeah, well, I paid in advance
for months.

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I've paid, uh, 1,750 at one time.

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Just a second. In what year?

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[Dale] This one was, uh,
December 31st of 2020,

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right when she moved in there,
to help her move in.

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- Good.
- [Dale] Um...

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I mean, with your daughter?

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Right.

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[Judge Judy] Do you regularly
pay child support, Mr. Eber?

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- Yeah. This is part of the...
- [Judge Judy] No, no.

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...child support but she was collecting
welfare fraudulently

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and not reporting the money
I was giving her.

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Well, that's terrible.

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When did you find that out?

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Um, when they started garnishing--or--

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and taking money out
of my bank account.

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Oh, you mean you didn't know that
she was collecting welfare before that?

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No.

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[Judge Judy] How did you think
she was supporting herself?

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[Dale] I was givin' her--
I gave her, uh, my welfare money

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and it was $4,800 and I got--

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- I gave her $3,000 of it.
- [Judge Judy] Just a second.

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You gave her half of your welfare money?

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[Dale] Yeah, I gave her most, most of it.

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Just a second.

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[Dale] Yes, I did.

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Just a second.

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I need--I need an eraser, go and--
I need to erase my brain.

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She gets welfare for herself
and your daughter?

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[Dale] Right.

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[Judge Judy] And you get welfare for you?

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- No.
- [Judge Judy] Well--

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what did you mean you give her
half your welfare money?

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[Dale] I'm a painting contractor
and then...

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[Judge Judy] So--I don't understand.

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Did he say I gave her half my welfare?

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I'm sorry, you know, some...

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[Dale] No, half of my wildfire money,
from losing--

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- Wildfire.
- [Dale] Wildfire money.

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Was that what he said?

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I heard welfare.

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- I heard welfare.
- [Dale] No, I said wildfire.

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- You have to be careful.
- Sorry.

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- Because she's the stenographer.
- Okay.

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She--thank God, you heard what I heard.

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Half of your wildfire money.

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- And that's--that was like over...
- [Judge Judy] Just a second.

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Just a second.
Wildfire money, that's a new one.

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Look it up.

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Wildfire money, this wildfire money,

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this wildfire--
was the wildfire, the Paradise Fires?

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Yes, ma'am.

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[Judge Judy] And you were living together
during the Paradise Fires?

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[Dale] Yes.

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[Judge Judy]
In what kind of establishment?

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In her parents' house.

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So you were living with Ms. Gibbens,

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in her parents' house, with your daughter.

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Right.

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And the wildfires destroyed
your parents' house?

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- No.
- [Judge Judy] No.

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No, it had damages
but they had to, um, fix those

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and then they put it on the market
shortly after and sold it.

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There was a fire,
I don't know if I could look into

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the insurance proceeds
of what was paid.

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[Judge Judy] Then for curiosity Mr. Eber,

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who did you get money from?

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The Wild--uh, Northern--

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I forget the name of it
but we got, uh, I think it was $10,000.

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Everybody that was, um, evacuated
or that was in the fire.

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- So you got $10,000?
- [Dale] Right. And so did she...

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[Judge Judy] For, for being dispossessed
from her parents' home?

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[Dale] Yes.

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[chuckles]

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[Dale] No, I--yeah.

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Uh-hmm.

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I lost my business in the fire.

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[Judge Judy]
No, no, those are separate things.

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If you lost your business in the fire,
that's another thing.

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Where was your business located?

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- Paradise, California.
- [Judge Judy] Okay.

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And that's separate
from where her parents' were?

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- [Dale] Right.
- [Judge Judy] Okay.

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And what was the name of the business?

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- Dale's Painting.
- [Judge Judy] Dale's Painting.

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Where are you located now?

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The business is, uh, located 62--

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I haven't changed the address
to the new address.

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Let's move on Mr. Eber
to something else, please.

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Your personal nonsense
has nothing to do with courts,

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and if you wanna have a discussion
with somebody

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about your personal business,
go to a counselor,

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go to Dr. Phil, it's nonsense.

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Courts don't care about it.

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[announcer] And later today...

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Who's going to speak
for the two of you?

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I will.

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- She gave you a look.
- Okay. Better ask again.

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(laughs) Who's going to speak for you?

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- You.
- I am.

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Good.

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Make sure you didn't give me that look.

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[Judge Judy] Yeah.

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[theme music playing]

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[announcer] Dale Eber claims
his former girlfriend

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and the mother of their daughter,
Ginger Gibbens,

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owes for evicting him multiple times
and damaging his property.

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Ginger is countering for an assault.

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[Judge Judy] Okay. Let's move on to
replacement of value of damaged property.

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Because as you see,
I'm singularly unimpressed

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with the other parts of your complaint.

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Replacement value of damaged property.

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What property and how did she damage it?

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She, uh, put all my stuff out
on her patio.

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What stuff?

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[Dale] My clothes, my DVDs, my computer.

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[Judge Judy] On what date
did she put your stuff out?

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[Dale] I don't know the dates.

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Because, uh, she's the one
that put them out.

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- [Judge Judy] Okay.
- She knows that.

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[Judge Judy] Well, on what date
were you missing your clothes?

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Is that the same day
you were missing your computer?

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No, actually, um,
I, I had left my computer there.

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Well--you know, she had put my computer
out with my clothes,

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- it was all soaking wet.
- [Judge Judy] Okay. Okay.

240
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[Dale] Yeah, that was the same day
I was--yes, I was missing the computer.

241
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Okay.

242
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- You have a counterclaim.
- Yes.

243
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[Judge Judy] Your counterclaim
is for assault primarily, for assault.

244
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So I have a couple of questions

245
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because clearly people have nothing better
to do than to come here.

246
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I, on the other hand,
have better things to do.

247
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I read your answer
and I read your counterclaim.

248
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You say in January 2021,
he grabbed your purse,

249
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claimed that you had drugs,
and "grabbed me by the hands,"

250
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and you ended up spraining your pinky?

251
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Then I'm jumping forward to May of 2021
when you said,

252
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"I filed a restraining order against him
because he crossed the line,"

253
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that's what you wrote
in your answer, right?

254
00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:05,233
Uh-hmm. Yes.

255
00:10:05,300 --> 00:10:07,333
[Judge Judy]
So I'm gonna ask you a simple question,

256
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my question to you is between
January 21st of 2021

257
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and on or about May,

258
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did Mr. Eber live with you?

259
00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:18,433
- [Ginger] No.
- [Judge Judy] When did he leave?

260
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It was that, that--uh, at the time--

261
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right around the time of that--
of the assault.

262
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[Judge Judy] Well, what happened
between January and May?

263
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[Ginger] I did file an, uh, a restraining
order, uh, on that incident.

264
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Um, and I--he convinced me
to not go through with it, and...

265
00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,800
[Judge Judy] How--just a second.
How did he convince you?

266
00:10:37,867 --> 00:10:40,734
He's--he, he--
well, he threatened me mostly.

267
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- [Judge Judy] No. Well, tell me.
- But he...

268
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- [Judge Judy] Well--just a second.
- [Ginger] I'm sorry.

269
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- [Judge Judy] I want you to tell me...
- [Ginger] Yes.

270
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...where was he when he convinced you?

271
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Was he on the phone?

272
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Was he on texts?

273
00:10:50,667 --> 00:10:51,800
Was he on email?

274
00:10:51,867 --> 00:10:53,233
Was he in person?

275
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Where was he when he convinced you
not to go forward with...

276
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- In multiple--in multiple areas.
- [Judge Judy] Multiple areas?

277
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- So I have text messages...
- [Judge Judy] You have--

278
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...emails, and phone conversations,
uh, a few...

279
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- What about in person?
- [Ginger] Um...

280
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- What about him?
- Face to face? No.

281
00:11:08,133 --> 00:11:12,333
[Judge Judy] Between January 2021 and now,

282
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has he been in your home?

283
00:11:13,900 --> 00:11:14,767
No.

284
00:11:14,834 --> 00:11:15,800
[Judge Judy] Have you been in his home?

285
00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:17,834
Uh, no. Uh-uh.

286
00:11:17,900 --> 00:11:19,033
So where have you met?

287
00:11:19,100 --> 00:11:21,333
[Ginger] Out--either outside
of the apartment.

288
00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:27,333
Um, actually I haven't been able
to get him to, uh, to cooperate

289
00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,066
with any kind of scheduling
or anything like that.

290
00:11:30,133 --> 00:11:32,500
He pretty much comes
and goes as he pleases.

291
00:11:32,567 --> 00:11:34,400
[Judge Judy] Comes and goes where?

292
00:11:34,467 --> 00:11:37,400
Uh, well, I mean, to, to the house
or whatever to, to see the baby.

293
00:11:37,467 --> 00:11:41,600
Actually, um, he hasn't--he has not been
allowed to come around because he---

294
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- um, as of May...
- Uh, uh, uh.

295
00:11:44,133 --> 00:11:45,567
Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh.

296
00:11:45,633 --> 00:11:48,000
I have to tell you about courts,

297
00:11:48,066 --> 00:11:49,767
both of you, we're busy.

298
00:11:49,834 --> 00:11:53,600
And your personal nonsense
has nothing to do with courts,

299
00:11:53,667 --> 00:11:56,967
and if you wanna have a discussion
with somebody

300
00:11:57,033 --> 00:12:01,300
about your personal business
and how you can't get along or,

301
00:12:01,367 --> 00:12:04,667
you know, go to a counselor,
go to Dr. Phil,

302
00:12:04,734 --> 00:12:08,467
go to somebody
who can negotiate visitation,

303
00:12:08,533 --> 00:12:12,467
spend some of your wildfire money
on a therapist

304
00:12:12,533 --> 00:12:14,133
who can help you negotiate

305
00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,400
how to raise and co-parent
this little girl

306
00:12:17,467 --> 00:12:18,867
because you have a little girl together.

307
00:12:18,934 --> 00:12:21,767
Can I address, uh, her,
her restraining order?

308
00:12:21,834 --> 00:12:23,567
- I'm throwing it out.
- Okay.

309
00:12:23,633 --> 00:12:25,967
[Judge Judy] It's nonsense.
The whole thing is nonsense,

310
00:12:26,033 --> 00:12:28,700
your case is nonsense,
her case is nonsense.

311
00:12:28,767 --> 00:12:30,967
- I...
- [Judge Judy] Courts don't care about it.

312
00:12:31,033 --> 00:12:33,700
You can't get along, don't live together

313
00:12:33,767 --> 00:12:35,433
but don't keep torturing each other.

314
00:12:35,500 --> 00:12:37,767
Because in the process
of torturing each other,

315
00:12:37,834 --> 00:12:40,433
what you're doing
is you have a child who's a baby.

316
00:12:40,500 --> 00:12:41,367
Yes.

317
00:12:41,433 --> 00:12:43,133
[Judge Judy]
Who's growing up with two crazies.

318
00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,367
She keeps letting you come back in,

319
00:12:45,433 --> 00:12:47,367
she tosses you out, you come back in,

320
00:12:47,433 --> 00:12:51,266
you float in and out,
she may act irresponsibly.

321
00:12:51,333 --> 00:12:55,300
If you have a legitimate claim
with regard to her parenting skills...

322
00:12:55,367 --> 00:12:56,333
I do.

323
00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:58,633
[Judge Judy] ...what you do
is you go to family court

324
00:12:58,700 --> 00:13:00,200
and you file a petition

325
00:13:00,266 --> 00:13:04,500
so that a judge can set
a visitation schedule with your child

326
00:13:04,567 --> 00:13:06,200
if you want visitation.

327
00:13:06,266 --> 00:13:09,166
And if you have a legitimate complaint
with her,

328
00:13:09,233 --> 00:13:10,800
with regard to parenting

329
00:13:10,867 --> 00:13:15,000
because you have a complaint
that she is a substance abuser,

330
00:13:15,066 --> 00:13:17,467
go to family court
and file for custody of your daughter.

331
00:13:17,533 --> 00:13:18,700
- I already have. I...
- [Judge Judy] No, no...

332
00:13:18,767 --> 00:13:20,533
I got all the papers right here.

333
00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:22,166
- You've got what?
- [Dale] All the papers

334
00:13:22,233 --> 00:13:24,633
and proof that she's, uh,
a aggressive person and...

335
00:13:24,700 --> 00:13:25,967
[Judge Judy] No. No, listen to me.

336
00:13:26,033 --> 00:13:27,300
- You're not listening.
- [Dale] ...911 called...

337
00:13:27,367 --> 00:13:29,500
You're floating around in the air.

338
00:13:29,567 --> 00:13:30,767
You're in the wrong place,

339
00:13:30,834 --> 00:13:32,900
you're in a place where you want money

340
00:13:32,967 --> 00:13:36,000
and what I'm telling you is
if you have a legitimate complaint

341
00:13:36,066 --> 00:13:40,000
with regard to her parenting skills,
go to family court

342
00:13:40,066 --> 00:13:41,734
where they will not award you money,

343
00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,700
they will award you custody
if you're right.

344
00:13:44,767 --> 00:13:47,734
Right now, all you're doing
is what my grandmother would say,

345
00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:49,233
"You're blepturing."

346
00:13:49,300 --> 00:13:52,033
You're complaining about her

347
00:13:52,100 --> 00:13:54,667
and you're not putting your money
where your mouth is.

348
00:13:54,734 --> 00:13:56,834
You wanna put your money
where your mouth is

349
00:13:56,900 --> 00:14:01,934
about a legitimate complaint about her
being an unfit parent

350
00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,967
and you would be a better parent
for your daughter,

351
00:14:05,033 --> 00:14:06,433
go to family court

352
00:14:06,500 --> 00:14:08,166
where you're not seeking $10,000,

353
00:14:08,233 --> 00:14:10,867
where you're seeking the right thing
for your child.

354
00:14:10,934 --> 00:14:12,467
- Do you understand?
- Yes.

355
00:14:12,533 --> 00:14:14,700
Perfect! Goodbye.

356
00:14:14,767 --> 00:14:16,300
[Kevin] Court is adjourned.

357
00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:18,934
I don't know.
Uh, I guess she's right.

358
00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:20,166
I understand completely.

359
00:14:20,233 --> 00:14:22,133
Well, it's mainly her substance abuse.

360
00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,233
I do not have a substance abuse problem.

361
00:14:24,300 --> 00:14:25,700
The neglect to my daughter.

362
00:14:25,767 --> 00:14:28,467
I have, uh, all the love in the world
for my daughter of course.

363
00:14:28,533 --> 00:14:30,100
And, uh, destroying my personal property

364
00:14:30,166 --> 00:14:32,266
and, you know, every time
she's thrown me out.

365
00:14:32,333 --> 00:14:34,000
Good parents for our daughter,
absolutely.

366
00:14:34,066 --> 00:14:35,233
That would be great.

367
00:14:36,500 --> 00:14:38,800
You know, Sarah,
we talk about this all the time

368
00:14:38,867 --> 00:14:42,200
and it's something that I think
I probably said a million times,

369
00:14:42,266 --> 00:14:44,000
you have to love those children

370
00:14:44,066 --> 00:14:46,233
more than you hate each other

371
00:14:46,300 --> 00:14:47,900
because that's your responsibility.

372
00:14:47,967 --> 00:14:50,033
It's as much of a responsibility

373
00:14:50,100 --> 00:14:54,834
for their emotional health
as it is to put food on the table.

374
00:14:54,900 --> 00:14:56,967
- Uh-hmm. Yeah.
- [Judge Judy] It's just so sad to me

375
00:14:57,033 --> 00:14:59,533
that this little girl has to live

376
00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:03,533
through this tumultuous toddler period.

377
00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:04,734
- [Sarah] Yeah.
- Which isn't gonna get better.

378
00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:06,500
- It's unfortunate.
- [Judge Judy] Yeah.

379
00:15:06,567 --> 00:15:09,433
Case number 1148, Castillo versus Sainz.

380
00:15:09,500 --> 00:15:11,400
All parties, please step forward.

381
00:15:11,467 --> 00:15:13,600
[announcer] Ralph and Raquel Castillo

382
00:15:13,667 --> 00:15:16,567
are suing photographer Dirseu Sainz

383
00:15:16,633 --> 00:15:18,967
for the return of their deposit.

384
00:15:19,033 --> 00:15:22,800
Mr. and Mrs. Castillo, who is going
to speak for the two of you?

385
00:15:22,867 --> 00:15:23,800
I will.

386
00:15:24,900 --> 00:15:26,533
She gave you a look.

387
00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,867
Okay. Better ask again.

388
00:15:28,934 --> 00:15:30,834
[chuckles]

389
00:15:30,900 --> 00:15:32,667
Who's going to speak for you?

390
00:15:32,734 --> 00:15:34,867
- You.
- I am.

391
00:15:34,934 --> 00:15:35,867
Good.

392
00:15:35,934 --> 00:15:36,800
[Ralph] To make sure
you didn't give me that look.

393
00:15:36,867 --> 00:15:38,667
Yeah. Yeah.

394
00:15:38,734 --> 00:15:41,133
- Mr. Castillo, this is your daughter.
- [Ralph] Yes.

395
00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:43,033
[Judge Judy] And she was going
to have a celebration,

396
00:15:43,100 --> 00:15:45,367
I think it's for her 15th birthday.

397
00:15:45,433 --> 00:15:46,266
Yes.

398
00:15:46,333 --> 00:15:48,133
[Judge Judy] And that has a special name.

399
00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,367
- Correct. Quinceanera.
- [Judge Judy] Quinceanera?

400
00:15:50,433 --> 00:15:53,934
Tell me about the genesis
of that celebration.

401
00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:55,400
Why 15?

402
00:15:55,467 --> 00:16:01,700
It's, it's a celebration of a transition
of a young girl into a young adult.

403
00:16:01,767 --> 00:16:02,767
[Judge Judy] Okay.

404
00:16:05,066 --> 00:16:07,600
We walk in and I say,
"Can somebody help us?

405
00:16:07,667 --> 00:16:10,133
We have pictures
that are locked in our phone."

406
00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,066
And some young person comes over
and one, two, three,

407
00:16:13,133 --> 00:16:16,033
and voila, fifty pictures.

408
00:16:16,100 --> 00:16:18,266
It's like magic, it's like a genie.

409
00:16:23,667 --> 00:16:25,600
[theme music playing]

410
00:16:29,567 --> 00:16:32,000
[announcer]
Ralph and Raquel Castillo claim

411
00:16:32,066 --> 00:16:34,233
photographer Dirseu Sainz

412
00:16:34,300 --> 00:16:36,300
is wrongfully keeping their deposit

413
00:16:36,367 --> 00:16:39,767
after their daughter's quinceanera
was cancelled.

414
00:16:39,834 --> 00:16:41,467
Okay.
What's your daughter's first name?

415
00:16:41,533 --> 00:16:42,467
Victoria.

416
00:16:42,533 --> 00:16:44,000
[Judge Judy] Unfortunately for Victoria,

417
00:16:44,066 --> 00:16:47,266
she was celebrating her 15th birthday
during the pandemic.

418
00:16:47,333 --> 00:16:48,367
[Ralph] Uh-hmm.

419
00:16:48,433 --> 00:16:51,667
But prior to that,
you had hired the defendant

420
00:16:51,734 --> 00:16:56,533
to do the photography and videography
for the quinceanera?

421
00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:57,500
Correct.

422
00:16:57,567 --> 00:16:59,233
[Judge Judy] In what month
was your daughter supposed

423
00:16:59,300 --> 00:17:01,333
- to celebrate her birthday, sir?
- April.

424
00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,567
[Judge Judy] And you retained
the defendant's services on what date?

425
00:17:04,633 --> 00:17:07,165
[Ralph] November 15th of 2019.

426
00:17:07,233 --> 00:17:09,066
When did you finally retain him?

427
00:17:09,133 --> 00:17:10,800
- Because you came to a figure...
- [Ralph] Oh.

428
00:17:10,867 --> 00:17:14,867
...and the figure that you came to
with him was $750.

429
00:17:14,934 --> 00:17:16,165
When we gave him the deposit.

430
00:17:16,233 --> 00:17:17,867
- [Judge Judy] Of 750?
- Seven-fifty.

431
00:17:17,934 --> 00:17:19,599
[Judge Judy] And what was
the total amount to be?

432
00:17:19,666 --> 00:17:21,032
[Ralph] Seventeen hundred and fifty.

433
00:17:21,099 --> 00:17:23,000
[Judge Judy]
The case is a relatively simple one.

434
00:17:23,066 --> 00:17:26,400
The party had to be cancelled
because of COVID restrictions.

435
00:17:26,467 --> 00:17:27,532
Correct.

436
00:17:27,599 --> 00:17:30,367
And you tried to get a refund
from Mr. Sainz?

437
00:17:30,433 --> 00:17:33,066
- Yes.
- [Judge Judy] And you were unsuccessful

438
00:17:33,133 --> 00:17:34,667
in getting a refund from him

439
00:17:34,734 --> 00:17:37,567
and then it was your daughter's
16th birthday.

440
00:17:37,633 --> 00:17:38,500
(laughs) Yes.

441
00:17:38,567 --> 00:17:41,967
[Judge Judy] And since she missed
her 15th big celebration,

442
00:17:42,033 --> 00:17:46,100
you thought that the family could now have
a smaller celebration

443
00:17:46,166 --> 00:17:47,934
in April of 2021,

444
00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,900
and you asked Mr. Sainz
if he would take photographs of that.

445
00:17:51,967 --> 00:17:54,233
- Yes.
- [Judge Judy] Where was that held?

446
00:17:54,300 --> 00:17:58,467
At our home, it was just myself,
my wife, and my daughter.

447
00:17:58,533 --> 00:18:01,333
We weren't really getting
into having a party.

448
00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:05,567
When you called him to come and take
those pictures of her 16th birthday,

449
00:18:05,633 --> 00:18:09,100
tell me about the conversation
with regard to payment.

450
00:18:09,166 --> 00:18:12,133
Well, we had asked him
if we would be able to get a refund

451
00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:16,300
but if we could work something out
where we can maybe get a few photos

452
00:18:16,367 --> 00:18:19,000
and maybe deduct something
from the refund

453
00:18:19,066 --> 00:18:20,934
since he was having a hard time
coming up with the money

454
00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:22,934
and he said,
"Don't worry, I'll take care of you."

455
00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,967
[Judge Judy] Okay.
So, without any further discussion,

456
00:18:26,033 --> 00:18:30,300
you had him come to your home
and take photographs on...

457
00:18:30,367 --> 00:18:32,100
- It was actually January.
- [Judge Judy] Got it.

458
00:18:32,166 --> 00:18:34,500
Okay. So he came to the house in January.

459
00:18:34,567 --> 00:18:36,400
What time did you get to the house,
Mr. Sainz?

460
00:18:36,467 --> 00:18:38,967
Uh, about 1:30, 1:45.

461
00:18:39,033 --> 00:18:40,600
[Judge Judy] And what time did you leave?

462
00:18:40,667 --> 00:18:44,300
Uh, it was maybe 3:30, 4:00 or so.

463
00:18:44,367 --> 00:18:46,000
[Judge Judy]
And during that two-hour period,

464
00:18:46,066 --> 00:18:49,367
he was there primarily taking photographs
of yourself, your wife, and your daughter.

465
00:18:49,433 --> 00:18:51,600
- Correct.
- [Judge Judy] When he left,

466
00:18:51,667 --> 00:18:54,533
he told you he would provide you
with photographs.

467
00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:55,834
- [Ralph] Correct.
- [Judge Judy] Did he do that?

468
00:18:55,900 --> 00:18:57,567
- Partially.
- [Judge Judy] When you say partially,

469
00:18:57,633 --> 00:18:59,233
what did he provide you with?

470
00:18:59,300 --> 00:19:01,266
[Ralph] Fifty-three pictures

471
00:19:01,333 --> 00:19:05,934
and two minute and fifty-three seconds
of video on, uh, email.

472
00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,233
Yeah, that's the way
people do it these days.

473
00:19:08,300 --> 00:19:09,533
- [Ralph] Correct.
- Okay.

474
00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:11,333
So you have those photographs?

475
00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:12,467
Not physically.

476
00:19:12,533 --> 00:19:15,200
He said that we can go to Walmart
and have 'em printed.

477
00:19:15,266 --> 00:19:17,100
Okay. Do you have the photographs?

478
00:19:17,166 --> 00:19:19,734
- I have some photographs.
- [Judge Judy] May I see them, please?

479
00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:21,533
Did you go to Walmart
and have them printed?

480
00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:23,900
We never got the thumb drive
that he promised.

481
00:19:23,967 --> 00:19:24,934
[Judge Judy] Just a second.

482
00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:29,767
Mr. Sainz, did you deliver them
a thumb drive?

483
00:19:29,834 --> 00:19:33,367
I did not.
I emailed all the photos and the video.

484
00:19:33,433 --> 00:19:34,367
[Judge Judy] Okay.

485
00:19:36,700 --> 00:19:40,033
Well, these are
beautiful photographs, sir.

486
00:19:40,100 --> 00:19:42,233
Did you look at all the photographs
that he emailed you?

487
00:19:42,300 --> 00:19:43,834
- Yes.
- [Judge Judy] Well, they're lovely

488
00:19:43,900 --> 00:19:45,133
and you look beautiful.

489
00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:46,200
Thank you.

490
00:19:46,266 --> 00:19:50,400
[Judge Judy] Mr. Castillo, you're asking
for your refund of your deposit.

491
00:19:50,467 --> 00:19:52,333
He was at your house for two hours.

492
00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,834
He sent you fifty-three photographs.

493
00:19:54,900 --> 00:19:55,967
He took video.

494
00:19:56,033 --> 00:19:59,000
Why would you think that
you're entitled to your deposit back?

495
00:19:59,066 --> 00:20:01,367
For $750, he came to your house

496
00:20:01,433 --> 00:20:04,400
which means he traveled to your house,
I don't know where you live.

497
00:20:04,467 --> 00:20:05,967
- Where do you live?
- Uh, Corona.

498
00:20:06,033 --> 00:20:07,166
[Judge Judy] Where do they live?

499
00:20:07,233 --> 00:20:09,633
Uh, like, Murrieta,
it's about an hour.

500
00:20:09,700 --> 00:20:13,233
[Judge Judy] So, he had an hour
travel time each way, that's two hours.

501
00:20:13,300 --> 00:20:15,333
And he spent two hours with you.

502
00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:16,266
[Ralph] Uh-hmm.

503
00:20:16,333 --> 00:20:19,333
In addition to that, he provided you
with 50 photographs

504
00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,967
that I assume had to have some work
done on them.

505
00:20:22,033 --> 00:20:23,834
- Yeah.
- [Judge Judy] Because they always do.

506
00:20:23,900 --> 00:20:26,033
And he provided you with video.

507
00:20:26,100 --> 00:20:28,867
So the man worked for four hours
and he provided you with a product.

508
00:20:28,934 --> 00:20:31,433
Why in the world do you think
he is responsible

509
00:20:31,500 --> 00:20:33,700
for giving you $750 back?

510
00:20:33,767 --> 00:20:37,700
Well, because we only received two minute
and fifty three second of video.

511
00:20:37,767 --> 00:20:38,867
And?

512
00:20:38,934 --> 00:20:41,266
[Ralph] And 53 pictures
and no thumb drive.

513
00:20:41,333 --> 00:20:42,333
- [Judge Judy] Well...
- How are we gonna print the...

514
00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:43,800
- Just a second.
- ...pictures that you have

515
00:20:43,867 --> 00:20:46,700
in your hand without the thumb drive
to take the...

516
00:20:46,767 --> 00:20:47,600
[Judge Judy] Listen.

517
00:20:47,667 --> 00:20:50,700
I am so challenged
when it comes to doing that.

518
00:20:50,767 --> 00:20:54,700
I am so challenged
but I know if you send them by email,

519
00:20:54,767 --> 00:20:59,233
that you can take them in
to someone at a CVS, (chuckles)

520
00:20:59,300 --> 00:21:03,033
they do that Mr. Castillo
for old people in Florida.

521
00:21:03,100 --> 00:21:05,433
We go in there as if we haven't a clue.

522
00:21:05,500 --> 00:21:08,066
We walk in and I say,
"Can somebody help us?

523
00:21:08,133 --> 00:21:10,433
We have pictures
that are locked in our phone

524
00:21:10,500 --> 00:21:14,066
and, and we don't know
how to work this machine."

525
00:21:14,133 --> 00:21:17,467
And some young person comes over
and one, two, three,

526
00:21:17,533 --> 00:21:20,934
they shove something from your phone
into a machine

527
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:26,033
and they press a couple of buttons,
and voila, out--spits out...

528
00:21:26,100 --> 00:21:28,300
- [Ralph] Uh-hmm.
- ...50 pictures.

529
00:21:28,367 --> 00:21:30,300
It's like magic, it's like a genie.

530
00:21:30,367 --> 00:21:32,066
And then you say, "Thank you very much."

531
00:21:32,133 --> 00:21:33,934
You give them 20 bucks for their trouble.

532
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,433
And that's how you--
Mr. Castillo, that's how you do it.

533
00:21:36,500 --> 00:21:39,767
You take the email, you take it in,
and you say to them,

534
00:21:39,834 --> 00:21:42,200
"I have this, could you help me?

535
00:21:42,266 --> 00:21:44,467
I'm old and I'm like Judge Sheindlin.

536
00:21:44,533 --> 00:21:45,800
I don't know what I'm doing.

537
00:21:45,867 --> 00:21:47,734
- Could you fix it for me?"
- Uh-hmm.

538
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:49,633
[Judge Judy] Is there any way Mr. Sainz--

539
00:21:49,700 --> 00:21:51,700
just for my own information,

540
00:21:51,767 --> 00:21:53,900
is there any way that you can take this

541
00:21:53,967 --> 00:21:57,200
because he seems to know something,
because he said thumb drive.

542
00:21:57,266 --> 00:21:58,934
- Uh-hmm.
- [Judge Judy] Now I have heard

543
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:03,066
that term before and I actually know
it looks like a fob or something.

544
00:22:03,133 --> 00:22:05,433
Is there any way
that you could send him that?

545
00:22:05,500 --> 00:22:06,633
I could, yeah.

546
00:22:06,700 --> 00:22:09,767
Yeah, Mr. Sainz,
I want you to be a saint.

547
00:22:10,567 --> 00:22:12,467
That might be easier for him.

548
00:22:12,533 --> 00:22:14,900
If--because what he says is,

549
00:22:14,967 --> 00:22:16,700
if he had that,
he would know what to do with it.

550
00:22:16,767 --> 00:22:18,700
He doesn't know what to do with it
with an email, okay?

551
00:22:18,767 --> 00:22:19,967
Yeah, that sounds [indistinct]

552
00:22:20,033 --> 00:22:21,100
[Judge Judy] Will you take care of that?

553
00:22:21,166 --> 00:22:22,000
Of course.

554
00:22:22,066 --> 00:22:23,800
How long will that take you
to take care of that?

555
00:22:23,867 --> 00:22:24,834
To send him a thumb...

556
00:22:24,900 --> 00:22:27,600
Uh, he'll get it in two days
in his house.

557
00:22:27,667 --> 00:22:29,266
- Promise me?
- I swear.

558
00:22:29,333 --> 00:22:30,200
[Judge Judy] Very good.

559
00:22:30,266 --> 00:22:33,033
You have no case against him
Mr. Castillo, your case is dismissed.

560
00:22:33,100 --> 00:22:34,200
You get that to him.

561
00:22:34,266 --> 00:22:35,533
Otherwise, I'm coming to look for you.

562
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,166
- You got it.
- Thank you.

563
00:22:37,233 --> 00:22:39,333
- [Kevin] Court is adjourned.
- All right.

564
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,967
I feel that if we would've got
the thumb drive from the very beginning

565
00:22:42,033 --> 00:22:43,934
instead of waiting all these years,
we wouldn't be here today.

566
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,066
I am very happy with the decision
Judge Judy made.

567
00:22:47,133 --> 00:22:49,367
Finally, we'll get some, uh, you know,

568
00:22:49,433 --> 00:22:51,600
end result with the,
the work he put into it

569
00:22:51,667 --> 00:22:54,133
and we'll actually physically have it,
so we can use it.

570
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,266
I'll send the thumb drive to Mr. Castillo
and that will--

571
00:22:57,333 --> 00:23:00,367
they'll, they'll get going with their life
and I will with mine.

572
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,133
[Sarah] All those people seemed lovely

573
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,200
and I think the plaintiffs
were trying to get their money back

574
00:23:06,266 --> 00:23:08,767
because they were unable because of COVID,

575
00:23:08,834 --> 00:23:11,567
like, so many other people
to have this special celebration

576
00:23:11,633 --> 00:23:14,367
but I think that the deposit
that they did pay

577
00:23:14,433 --> 00:23:16,767
is pretty similar
to what they would have paid

578
00:23:16,834 --> 00:23:20,266
for this sort of photo shoot
for 50 or so photos,

579
00:23:20,333 --> 00:23:21,700
a little videography.

580
00:23:21,767 --> 00:23:23,467
They sort of canceled each other out

581
00:23:23,533 --> 00:23:26,567
and I don't think the plaintiffs realized
that, until you pointed it out to them.

582
00:23:26,633 --> 00:23:29,567
[Judge Judy] Right. And you know
sometimes, you need somebody--

583
00:23:29,633 --> 00:23:31,934
in life, you need somebody
to blame for something.

584
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,867
You can't blame COVID for the fact that

585
00:23:34,934 --> 00:23:38,433
your daughter didn't have
this once in a lifetime event

586
00:23:38,500 --> 00:23:40,567
of transitioning at--at age 15,

587
00:23:40,633 --> 00:23:43,867
so it was easier to blame
this photographer,

588
00:23:43,934 --> 00:23:46,233
and they really got professional pictures

589
00:23:46,300 --> 00:23:48,667
and they got professional pictures
in their home,

590
00:23:48,734 --> 00:23:49,667
custom, with a thumb drive...

591
00:23:49,734 --> 00:23:51,900
Once he figured it out
how to get it printed. (chuckles)

592
00:23:51,967 --> 00:23:54,367
(chuckles) Yes. With a thumb drive for 700
bucks.

593
00:23:54,433 --> 00:23:55,900
I think that that was fair.

594
00:23:55,967 --> 00:23:56,834
Yeah, I do too.

595
00:23:58,467 --> 00:23:59,700
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