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You want your money back
for a bus that you bought?

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Yes, ma'am.

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What would be in your mind to say,

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"I'm gonna pay more than double

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what they paid for this bus."

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I'm assuming he was trying
to make a profit.

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[laughing]

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I'm not a business person.

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Common sense is my business.

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[announcer] This is Judy Justice.

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[theme music playing]

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[announcer] Rodney Lazar is
suing entertainers

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Michael Brown and Lucy Morgenstern

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for a refund of a bus
he purchased from them.

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[Kevin] Court come to order, all rise.

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Have a seat, please.

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Hello, Judge.

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Case number 1151,

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Lazar versus Brown, Morgenstern.

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Thank you.

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[Judge Judy] Okay.

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Could we do show and tell
someplace else, Kevin?

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- [Kevin] Yes, ma'am.
- [Judge Judy] You wanna remove that?

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- [Kevin] Yes.
- [Judge Judy] Thank you.

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Perfect.

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You want your money back

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for a bus that you bought
from the defendants,

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that's what the case is about.

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This thing that was on the table

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was your business.

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And I'm not interested in your business.

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We're not here to advertise
your business, you understand that?

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- Uh-hmm.
- [Judge Judy] Perfect.

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Ms. Morgenstern,
I'm gonna ask you a couple of questions.

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- Is he still your boyfriend?
- He is not.

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[Judge Judy] Not? When did he stop
being your boyfriend?

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March of 2020.

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[Judge Judy] When did you purchase--
you, purchase this bus?

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Give me the month and year.

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It was just July of 2021.

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So it was at a time
when you were no longer a couple?

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- Yes.
- [Judge Judy] And you purchased

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the bus from whom?

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From a public auction.

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Is this the first time you went
to a public auction?

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- No.
- [Judge Judy] You've been there before?

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- Yes.
- [Judge Judy] Yes.

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And so, you buy things there

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at a public auction and you flip them?

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- I wouldn't say that. I...
- [Judge Judy] What would you say?

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...buy for personal use
because I'm a musician

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and bigger vehicles happen to be
of my need for my band.

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Okay. Well, you bought this one
in July of 2021

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and it's a bus.

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- Yes.
- [Judge Judy] And you bought it

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for the express purpose
of using it in a band?

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- Correct.
- [Judge Judy] Is the co-defendant

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also a member of the band?

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He's involved in the management, and yes.

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[Judge Judy] Great.

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When did you sell the bus
to the plaintiff?

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August of 2021.

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[Judge Judy] How much did you pay for it
at public auction

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when you bought it in July of 2021?

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We had paid a few thousand dollars.

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[Judge Judy] No, I don't wanna hear
a few thousand dollars.

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We're not talking about a decade ago,

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we're talking about a few months ago.

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How much did you pay for it
at auction,

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July, and then I'm gonna ask for the exact
date that you purchased it?

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It was about 3,000 or so with tax.

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What year bus was it?

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It was a 2007.

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Had it been registered when you bought it?

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Yes, it had recent registration,

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- uh, within a, uh, a few months--
- [Judge Judy] You have paperwork on that?

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The paperwork was all together
with what the purchase--

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[Judge Judy] I'd like to see it.

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It was given to him.

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- May I see it, please?
- [Rodney] Yes.

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There you go, sir.

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Sell to Lucy Morganstern,

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June 24th, 2021.

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That sounds right.

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- And she gave you these papers?
- [Rodney] Yes.

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- Oh, actually, he did.
- [Judge Judy] He did?

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I'm beginning to feel
less sorry for you, sir.

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You may win anyway,
but I'm beginning to feel

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less sorry for you because this says

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that Lucy bought this bus for $2,600

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on June 24th, 2021

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and she sold it to you in August?

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- Yes.
- [Judge Judy] So that you were aware

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that she bought it from a towing company

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couple of months before.

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- Yes.
- [Judge Judy] Yes.

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So, your lawsuit is for a refund

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on a bus sold under false pretenses,

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that's what it says here,

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and it says that you found this bus

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on a Facebook market page,

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you met with Mark, that would be you.

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- Michael.
- [Judge Judy] Michael?

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- Sorry.
- [Judge Judy] Michael.

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And test drove the bus,

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he said it was in excellent condition,

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negotiated a price of $6,700.

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- Yes.
- [Judge Judy] Well,

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wouldn't it give you a clue...

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if you knew that it was purchased by them

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within six, seven weeks
before you purchased it

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and they paid $2,600 for it,

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what would be in your mind--

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just asking,

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what would be in your mind to say,

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"I'm gonna pay more than double

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what they paid for this bus."

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Why would you do that?

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[Rodney] On the documents that I've seen,

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had it at over 50 something hundred

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like 5,200

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and the reason that I paid him what I did

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is the documents that I saw showed that

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and, uh, you know, I'm assuming
he was trying to make a profit.

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[laughing]

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- [Rodney] It's--
- No. No.

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You're in business, right?

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You brought your plant to show me

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that you're in business.

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You make pretty plants with succulents.

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I'm not a business person,

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anybody that knows me knows

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that business is not my business.

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- Common sense is my business.
- [Rodney] Uh-hmm.

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[Judge Judy] Somebody buys something

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from a tow--how old are you?

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- I'm 50.
- [Judge Judy] You're 50.

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How long have you been in business?

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Twenty-seven years.

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[Judge Judy] Do you have
a place of business?

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- [Rodney] No.
- [Judge Judy] Do you operate

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- out of where?
- My home.

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- [Judge Judy] Do you own your home?
- Yes.

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- When did you purchase it?
- [Rodney] 2008.

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[Judge Judy] How much did you pay for it?

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On national TV?

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[Judge Judy] That's where we are,
that's where you came.

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[Rodney] Four hundred and sixty thousand.

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- [Judge Judy] I assume you had a lawyer?
- No.

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[Judge Judy] You did it yourself
with a real estate agent?

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- [Rodney] Yes.
- [Judge Judy] You live in California?

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- Yes, I do.
- [Judge Judy] I know,

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they have this bizarre thinking
where real estate agents

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act as lawyers,
I don't quite understand it,

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seems to be working.

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Everything here in California
is a little bizarre.

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Anyway, you had no lawyer,
but you spent half a million dollars

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for a home in 2008

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which must be at least
worth twice that now.

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- [Rodney] Yes, ma'am.
- Right?

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So, you're a pretty smart guy
and you make money

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from whatever you do, right?

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Making these plants,

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$2,600,

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that's what they paid for it,
from a towing company.

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So I would say to myself, "Towing?

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Towing means it was left somewhere...

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abandoned somewhere,

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why would I pay somebody

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$6,700

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for something that
they just paid $2,600 for?"

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I would say that a guy who is smart,

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works out of his home, has no expenses,

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doesn't have a business
other than making succulent plants

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and delivering them which is good,
smart for you,

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wouldn't do that, that's my gut.

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So I'm feeling less sorry for you

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if that's the case, in any event.

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Okay.

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Did you register the car, Ms. Morgenstern?

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- I did not.
- [Judge Judy] In your name?

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No, I hadn't yet.

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Just a second, you haven't?

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So when you gave it to him,

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you gave him the same title that you had,

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you just signed it or you did
because you did the transaction?

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I was in possession of the paperwork, yes.

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[Judge Judy] So you did the transaction?

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- Yes.
- [Judge Judy] So that's a yes?

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Did you ever tell him that the band
used the bus

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for business going to
and from city to city?

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Did you tell him that,
that's either a yes or a no?

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No.

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What did you tell him?

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That we had used buses

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and that's why we own this bus because--

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[mumbling]

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What you're just giving me.

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What did you tell him

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that this face is gonna believe?

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[announcer] Rodney Lazar
claims entertainers

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Michael Brown and Lucy Morgenstern

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sold him a bus
that is unable to be smog tested.

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Did you tell him that?
That's either a yes or a no.

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- No.
- [Judge Judy] What did you tell him?

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That we had used buses

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and that's why we own this bus because--

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[mumbling]

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What you're just giving me.

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What did you tell him

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that this face is gonna believe?

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That we had this bus in purpose

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to take it on tour as we've done.

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[Judge Judy] Well, now you don t know--

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all of a sudden
you're having trouble with English

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when you're trying
to put the sentence together

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to tell me what you told him
about the bus.

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- Uh-hmm.
- [Judge Judy] Not buses that we use,

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this bus.

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What did you tell him
when he came to look at this bus?

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You thought that this was
gonna easy, folks?

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- This is not easy.
- [Michael] Uh-hmm.

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I told him that
we bought this bus as a tour bus.

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[Judge Judy] Okay.

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And did you tell him
about the condition of it?

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The condition was listed on the ad.

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[Judge Judy] And what did it say?

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I have the ad here--

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[Judge Judy] Well, just tell me
what it said.

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It says it runs and drives great.

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- And it--
- Runs and drives great.

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You live in the state
of California, right?

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- Yes, I do.
- [Judge Judy] When you bought the bus,

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Ms. Morgenstern,
he does the business, right?

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But you paid the $2,600?

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It was shared. The, um--

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- [Judge Judy] Who went to the--
- The purchase was--

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You went to the auction?

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Listen to me, who went to the auction?

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Um, it was online.

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[Judge Judy] Online?
Whose computer were you using?

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We're together I think, I--
I'm not really sure if it was mine or--

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- [Judge Judy] Try to think.
- [Lucy] I think Mike's.

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- It would've been my phone.
- It was I think his phone, yeah.

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- [Judge Judy] Your what?
- My phone.

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- [Judge Judy] Yours?
- Yes.

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[Judge Judy] You bought it
and then you went to pick it up?

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- Yes.
- [Judge Judy] Who took it to register it?

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Now you buy it in July,

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that's what it says here, doesn't it?

251
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Did I say July? Did I say July?

252
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Uh, no. June, right?

253
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- June.
- [Judge Judy] June.

254
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You buy it in June,

255
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now you got this $2,600 investment

256
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and you have this title...

257
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how many other cars does the band have,
Ms. Morgenstern?

258
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Currently I don't have a vehicle, um--

259
00:10:01,233 --> 00:10:02,233
[Judge Judy] You don't?

260
00:10:02,300 --> 00:10:03,767
Does the band have a vehicle?

261
00:10:03,834 --> 00:10:06,900
There's Mike's van that has been used

262
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for some of our events

263
00:10:08,767 --> 00:10:11,066
but I have to borrow that or use it
with Mike when--

264
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[Judge Judy] Okay. Is it registered
in the state of California?

265
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- [Lucy] Yes.
- [Judge Judy] Registration current?

266
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Yes.

267
00:10:16,667 --> 00:10:18,800
Now you bought this online,
who took the money

268
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out of the bank to buy it?

269
00:10:20,367 --> 00:10:22,367
- We both did.
- [Judge Judy] How much did you put in?

270
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I put in 1,300.

271
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So, we split it.

272
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Who got the bus from the towing company?

273
00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:30,166
- Michael did.
- [Judge Judy] On what date, Michael,

274
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did you get the bus
from the towing company?

275
00:10:32,233 --> 00:10:34,333
[Michael] It would be the date that
you have listed on the paperwork.

276
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[Judge Judy] 26th?

277
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June, then June 26th.

278
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- Did you drive it?
- Yes.

279
00:10:38,934 --> 00:10:41,066
[Judge Judy] Where did you drive it
from and to?

280
00:10:41,133 --> 00:10:42,767
[Michael] From the towing lot

281
00:10:42,834 --> 00:10:45,633
and I drove it
to where I was staying in Culver City.

282
00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:47,200
[Judge Judy] How long was that?

283
00:10:47,266 --> 00:10:48,367
- How long of a drive?
- [Judge Judy] Yeah.

284
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No more than 18 miles.

285
00:10:50,433 --> 00:10:52,934
So now it's home on the 26th,
you have the paperwork,

286
00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,734
do you wanna tell me why you didn't
register it the whole month of July?

287
00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:57,900
Don't look over there!

288
00:10:57,967 --> 00:10:59,165
- [Michael] Uh-hmm.
- Uh-huh.

289
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Look over here.

290
00:11:00,367 --> 00:11:04,767
The bus was missing
a, uh, glass piece for the door

291
00:11:04,834 --> 00:11:08,500
and I wanted to get the bus all fixed up
and nice before I did that.

292
00:11:08,567 --> 00:11:11,200
So did you do that?
You had a whole month to do it.

293
00:11:11,266 --> 00:11:13,300
- I did.
- [Judge Judy] And then?

294
00:11:13,367 --> 00:11:14,367
- And then I--
- [Judge Judy] But while

295
00:11:14,433 --> 00:11:16,233
you're doing that, you register it

296
00:11:16,300 --> 00:11:19,266
because now you've paid $2,600 for it.

297
00:11:19,333 --> 00:11:20,333
[Michael] Uh-hmm.

298
00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,433
[Judge Judy] And you're working on it
and investing money in it.

299
00:11:23,500 --> 00:11:25,600
- Uh-hmm.
- [Judge Judy] So you'd want to insure it?

300
00:11:25,667 --> 00:11:27,433
- Yes.
- [Judge Judy] Did you insure it?

301
00:11:27,500 --> 00:11:28,567
Uh, no, I did not.

302
00:11:28,633 --> 00:11:29,867
[Judge Judy] Because it wasn't registered.

303
00:11:29,934 --> 00:11:32,367
- Correct.
- [Judge Judy] In order to register it,

304
00:11:32,433 --> 00:11:35,433
you had to have it smogged
in the state of California.

305
00:11:35,500 --> 00:11:38,066
- Uh-hmm.
- [Judge Judy] Uh-huh is not an answer.

306
00:11:38,133 --> 00:11:39,433
Yes, Your Honor.

307
00:11:39,500 --> 00:11:41,266
Did you take it to be smogged?

308
00:11:41,333 --> 00:11:42,500
No, I did not.

309
00:11:42,567 --> 00:11:45,800
[Judge Judy] When the plaintiff
took the bus in

310
00:11:45,867 --> 00:11:47,000
to be smogged,

311
00:11:47,066 --> 00:11:49,800
he says that it couldn't be smogged,

312
00:11:49,867 --> 00:11:52,934
he says he spoke to you about that,

313
00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,266
- is that what you're testifying, sir?
- Yes, ma'am.

314
00:11:55,333 --> 00:11:58,433
[Judge Judy] And tell me
when that conversation took place.

315
00:11:58,500 --> 00:12:00,100
- Uh-hmm.
- Yes, uh, it took place on, uh,

316
00:12:00,166 --> 00:12:02,000
the Friday after we had purchased it.

317
00:12:02,066 --> 00:12:03,834
That was the day that I went to the DMV.

318
00:12:03,900 --> 00:12:04,900
What's the date?

319
00:12:04,967 --> 00:12:07,033
[Rodney] I think August 13th, around.

320
00:12:07,100 --> 00:12:08,734
[Judge Judy] August 13th,
was that a Friday?

321
00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,033
- Friday the 13th?
- Yes, it's on the 13th, it was a Friday.

322
00:12:11,734 --> 00:12:13,066
So you went to the DMV.

323
00:12:13,133 --> 00:12:15,767
According to you,
there were some outstanding fines.

324
00:12:15,834 --> 00:12:17,600
- Yes, ma'am.
- Can you show me proof

325
00:12:17,667 --> 00:12:19,633
of when those fines were?

326
00:12:19,700 --> 00:12:24,934
Were they either before
they purchased the van or after?

327
00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,667
I think it was all a part of before, uh,

328
00:12:27,734 --> 00:12:29,800
- because there was a lot--
- [Judge Judy] That's why it was towed?

329
00:12:29,867 --> 00:12:31,734
[Rodney] What he had told me was
one of their band mates

330
00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,767
had left it on the street and it
had been towed so they bought it back,

331
00:12:34,834 --> 00:12:36,367
that's what the story he had told me.

332
00:12:36,433 --> 00:12:38,033
Band mates left it on the street,

333
00:12:38,100 --> 00:12:39,967
- is that what he told you?
- [Rodney] That's what he told me.

334
00:12:40,033 --> 00:12:41,600
[Judge Judy] You do have
to understand, sir,

335
00:12:41,667 --> 00:12:44,600
that you're gonna really have to show me

336
00:12:44,667 --> 00:12:48,266
so that I believe you,
that you paid $6,700 for this bus.

337
00:12:48,333 --> 00:12:50,100
I would like to see proof

338
00:12:50,165 --> 00:12:51,967
that it could not be smogged

339
00:12:52,033 --> 00:12:54,600
and when you called Mike,

340
00:12:54,667 --> 00:12:57,100
what he told you about the bus

341
00:12:57,165 --> 00:12:59,433
not being able to be smogged,

342
00:12:59,500 --> 00:13:01,066
tell me what he told you.

343
00:13:01,133 --> 00:13:02,200
[Rodney] Mike first, uh--

344
00:13:02,266 --> 00:13:04,266
he just didn't return my calls for a while

345
00:13:04,333 --> 00:13:05,867
and then I had to reach out to Lucy.

346
00:13:05,934 --> 00:13:08,800
Lucy and I had a fantastic talk
for about 30 minutes.

347
00:13:08,867 --> 00:13:11,667
She was very kind,
let me get my points across,

348
00:13:11,734 --> 00:13:14,200
um, and then she said
she would follow back up with me.

349
00:13:14,266 --> 00:13:16,500
When I spoke to Michael,
it was very, um--

350
00:13:16,567 --> 00:13:18,266
it was very angry conversation.

351
00:13:18,333 --> 00:13:20,300
- He was angry?
- [Rodney] It was an anger conversation.

352
00:13:20,367 --> 00:13:22,467
I asked him, I said,
"You told me it was smogged."

353
00:13:22,533 --> 00:13:25,300
He said, "That's what I thought it was.
It's supposed to be in the system."

354
00:13:25,367 --> 00:13:26,467
So, I said, "Okay."

355
00:13:26,533 --> 00:13:27,900
Well, that's our reality
is right now, we have sold--

356
00:13:27,967 --> 00:13:28,967
[Judge Judy] Just--one second--
just a second.

357
00:13:29,033 --> 00:13:30,033
He said to you,

358
00:13:31,066 --> 00:13:33,333
"It should've been in the system,
I thought it was smogged?"

359
00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:34,400
Yes, ma'am.

360
00:13:34,467 --> 00:13:35,734
That I believe.

361
00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:37,400
- I have text messages--sorry.
- [Judge Judy] Just a second.

362
00:13:37,467 --> 00:13:40,333
[Judge Judy] I'd like to see
the text messages.

363
00:13:51,133 --> 00:13:53,433
No, no, don't give me
a whole bunch of junk.

364
00:13:53,500 --> 00:13:54,834
- You want the--
- [Judge Judy] I'm talking to you.

365
00:13:54,900 --> 00:13:57,033
I'm talking--don't give me
a whole bunch of junk.

366
00:13:57,100 --> 00:14:00,567
I asked you about the conversation
that you had with him

367
00:14:00,633 --> 00:14:02,266
about smogging.

368
00:14:02,333 --> 00:14:04,433
Show me relevance.

369
00:14:04,500 --> 00:14:05,500
Sorry, Your Honor.

370
00:14:15,567 --> 00:14:17,667
[Judge Judy] "Michael,
you said it passed smog."

371
00:14:17,734 --> 00:14:19,633
So when you purchased it,

372
00:14:19,700 --> 00:14:21,900
- he told you it had passed smog?
- Yes, ma'am.

373
00:14:21,967 --> 00:14:23,934
"But you didn't give me
the paperwork."

374
00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:25,300
He says--you say,

375
00:14:25,367 --> 00:14:28,767
"It should be in the system
from the previous smog."

376
00:14:28,834 --> 00:14:30,300
- [Rodney] Yes.
- What previous--shh.

377
00:14:30,367 --> 00:14:31,934
What previous smog?

378
00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:33,000
That's your answer,

379
00:14:33,066 --> 00:14:36,300
"It should be in the system
from the previous smog."

380
00:14:36,367 --> 00:14:40,033
[Michael] I have the car fact showing
that it was smogged in April.

381
00:14:40,100 --> 00:14:41,934
Who owned it in April?

382
00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:43,333
The previous owner.

383
00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:45,433
- Do you know who that was?
- [Michael] No, I do not.

384
00:14:47,266 --> 00:14:49,867
If somebody hurts themselves

385
00:14:49,934 --> 00:14:52,734
on, in, under, around the bus,

386
00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:53,867
it's in your name,

387
00:14:53,934 --> 00:14:56,300
somebody will get a judgment against you,

388
00:14:56,367 --> 00:15:00,066
they're gonna take your license away
to drive, do you understand?

389
00:15:11,467 --> 00:15:14,633
[announcer] Rodney Lazar
has accused the defendants

390
00:15:14,700 --> 00:15:17,266
Michael Brown and Lucy Morgenstern

391
00:15:17,333 --> 00:15:21,066
of selling him a bus
that is unable to be smog tested.

392
00:15:21,133 --> 00:15:24,633
[Judge Judy] Okay. So, it wasn't that
a band member left it on the street--

393
00:15:24,700 --> 00:15:25,700
- No, that's a lie.
- [Judge Judy] And then--

394
00:15:25,767 --> 00:15:29,166
so it was previously smogged, not by you?

395
00:15:29,233 --> 00:15:30,767
- Correct.
- [Judge Judy] When it was done,

396
00:15:30,834 --> 00:15:33,066
I believe it was in April, you say,

397
00:15:33,133 --> 00:15:35,033
"I hope that is still valid."

398
00:15:35,100 --> 00:15:36,467
And you say, "Please call me.

399
00:15:36,533 --> 00:15:39,500
AAA said this was a lien sale

400
00:15:39,567 --> 00:15:41,600
that was never properly paid for,

401
00:15:41,667 --> 00:15:44,633
need to go to DMV
and want you to go with me.

402
00:15:44,700 --> 00:15:47,165
I hope you're not ignoring my calls.

403
00:15:47,233 --> 00:15:48,734
I can't even get an appointment.

404
00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:50,867
I will go there first thing
Monday and do my best,

405
00:15:50,934 --> 00:15:53,433
but please be cool if there are issues."

406
00:15:53,767 --> 00:15:55,900
And then you write, "No problem.

407
00:15:55,967 --> 00:15:58,500
I'll be available if you need me Monday."

408
00:15:58,567 --> 00:16:01,333
And he says,
"The bus was not smogged

409
00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:03,166
and your mailbox is full."

410
00:16:03,934 --> 00:16:05,100
That's what you say to him.

411
00:16:05,166 --> 00:16:06,166
I've heard that.

412
00:16:06,233 --> 00:16:09,333
I don't believe some people
had full mailboxes.

413
00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,567
"The bus is under your name right now

414
00:16:11,633 --> 00:16:14,467
and you are responsible for it
if anything happens."

415
00:16:14,533 --> 00:16:16,433
That's still true
'cause you haven't registered it.

416
00:16:16,500 --> 00:16:17,567
Correct.

417
00:16:17,633 --> 00:16:19,934
(chuckles) And you say to him, very smart,

418
00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:21,967
"In case there is an accident
and I get hurt,

419
00:16:22,033 --> 00:16:25,400
you are responsible,
so let's do this ASAP."

420
00:16:25,467 --> 00:16:27,800
And it says,
"There's no catalytic converter."

421
00:16:27,867 --> 00:16:29,467
I have no idea what that is.

422
00:16:29,867 --> 00:16:33,133
That is the, uh, very main component
of the exhaust system

423
00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:35,734
that cleans the smoke, it--
there's a big rash of people

424
00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:39,367
stealing them right now and in fact
I have a picture I can show you

425
00:16:39,433 --> 00:16:41,667
where the catalytic converter
has been taken out

426
00:16:41,734 --> 00:16:44,300
and put back in with a pipe
and it was welded in,

427
00:16:44,367 --> 00:16:46,467
and it's not a new weld, it's an old weld.

428
00:16:46,533 --> 00:16:48,333
I could shed some light potentially.

429
00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,165
A catalytic converter
must be properly installed

430
00:16:51,233 --> 00:16:53,333
for them to even do
a smog check, there's no--

431
00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,900
you can't do a smog check
without that converter.

432
00:16:56,967 --> 00:16:58,600
It's the filtration system for--

433
00:16:58,667 --> 00:17:00,100
Your Honor, if I may?

434
00:17:00,166 --> 00:17:02,834
Um, the April reference
that he's making to

435
00:17:02,900 --> 00:17:04,834
is April of 2020.

436
00:17:04,900 --> 00:17:07,000
So he was referring to a smog check
that was over a year...

437
00:17:07,066 --> 00:17:08,567
- That was done--
- [Rodney] ...and a quarter old.

438
00:17:08,633 --> 00:17:10,133
Got it. Got it.

439
00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:11,200
Is that right?

440
00:17:11,266 --> 00:17:12,467
- Correct.
- [Judge Judy] April of 2020?

441
00:17:12,532 --> 00:17:14,233
- A previous smog, 2020, yeah.
- [Judge Judy] 2020?

442
00:17:14,300 --> 00:17:15,900
- Yes.
- You still have the bus?

443
00:17:15,967 --> 00:17:17,666
- Yes, ma'am.
- [Judge Judy] Okay.

444
00:17:17,733 --> 00:17:20,834
Catalytic converter is $3,000?

445
00:17:20,900 --> 00:17:22,733
[Rodney] It's $2,400 for the part,

446
00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,433
it's about $300 for installation and tax,

447
00:17:25,500 --> 00:17:27,800
and the part is on back order
all over the country,

448
00:17:27,867 --> 00:17:29,233
this is happening everywhere.

449
00:17:29,300 --> 00:17:30,300
[Judge Judy] Uh-hmm.

450
00:17:30,367 --> 00:17:33,300
Where were you gonna take this bus, sir,
to be smogged?

451
00:17:33,367 --> 00:17:36,800
I was gonna take it to a shop 'cause
I didn't believe what he was saying.

452
00:17:36,867 --> 00:17:38,333
Did you ever tell him

453
00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,934
that you would take it to your mechanic
who could smog it?

454
00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,767
- What do you mean?
- [Judge Judy] Did you ever tell him

455
00:17:43,834 --> 00:17:46,000
that you could take the bus

456
00:17:46,066 --> 00:17:49,633
to your mechanic who could smog test it...

457
00:17:50,166 --> 00:17:53,667
so that he could register it
the way it was?

458
00:17:54,166 --> 00:17:56,734
- No.
- Well, he's texting you a lot, Michael,

459
00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:58,834
because he has a frustration

460
00:17:58,900 --> 00:18:00,800
that he can't do anything with this bus.

461
00:18:00,867 --> 00:18:04,834
For some bizarre reason,
you paid $6,700 for this bus.

462
00:18:04,900 --> 00:18:06,934
I still don't understand why.

463
00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,100
By the way, you gave it to him in cash?

464
00:18:09,166 --> 00:18:12,433
I gave him $3,700 in cash
and $3,000 on Venmo,

465
00:18:12,500 --> 00:18:13,533
and I have receipts for all that.

466
00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:14,734
- I'd like to see it.
- [Rodney] Yes.

467
00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:16,667
Here's the Venmo and here's my receipt

468
00:18:16,734 --> 00:18:19,800
for the, um--I--I had $700 cash at home

469
00:18:19,867 --> 00:18:22,066
and I went to the bank and withdrew
$3,000 to give it to him.

470
00:18:22,133 --> 00:18:24,867
And the timestamp
is on the receipt for the 3,000.

471
00:18:25,567 --> 00:18:27,300
[Judge Judy] Sarah, am I correct
that you're not allowed

472
00:18:27,367 --> 00:18:30,934
to knowingly sell a car in California
that can't be smogged?

473
00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,066
So, yeah. The California Vehicle Code,

474
00:18:33,133 --> 00:18:36,333
it prohibits modifications
to the emissions control

475
00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:40,033
and also, you need to give the new owner
a valid smog certification

476
00:18:40,100 --> 00:18:41,100
in order to sell,

477
00:18:41,166 --> 00:18:44,500
even if you're selling it as is,
it's still a requirement.

478
00:18:44,567 --> 00:18:46,734
- The bus is still at your home?
- [Rodney] Yes.

479
00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:48,567
And so is the oil.

480
00:18:48,633 --> 00:18:49,767
- [Judge Judy] The oil?
- That's leaking.

481
00:18:50,300 --> 00:18:51,400
[Judge Judy] It's leaking?

482
00:18:51,467 --> 00:18:53,233
Did you pay the fines on the bus?

483
00:18:53,300 --> 00:18:56,567
I did, but I was able to contact DMV
and get it refunded.

484
00:18:56,633 --> 00:18:57,867
- And you did get a refund?
- [Rodney] Yes, ma'am.

485
00:18:57,934 --> 00:18:58,934
Okay. Good.

486
00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,500
Judgment for the plaintiff
in the amount of $6,700.

487
00:19:01,567 --> 00:19:03,734
We're finished. Go get your bus,
it belongs to you.

488
00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:05,834
And I'm gonna tell you,
this is what's gonna happen,

489
00:19:05,900 --> 00:19:06,900
Ms. Morgenstern.

490
00:19:06,967 --> 00:19:08,533
This bus is in your name,

491
00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:10,867
he has not transferred it to his name yet.

492
00:19:10,934 --> 00:19:13,066
Right now, the bus is parked at his home.

493
00:19:13,133 --> 00:19:16,467
So, I would suggest
you go pick it up very fast,

494
00:19:16,533 --> 00:19:17,633
I'm gonna tell you why,

495
00:19:17,700 --> 00:19:21,166
because if a child gets into that bus

496
00:19:21,233 --> 00:19:23,166
and something happens to that child

497
00:19:23,233 --> 00:19:25,667
because it's sitting there,

498
00:19:25,734 --> 00:19:26,934
it's in your name,

499
00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:31,233
they're gonna come after you,
put it on the street, do you understand?

500
00:19:31,300 --> 00:19:34,834
It no longer belongs to you, it's theirs.

501
00:19:34,900 --> 00:19:37,467
Anything that happens to that is yours,

502
00:19:37,533 --> 00:19:39,066
if it gets ticket,

503
00:19:39,133 --> 00:19:41,700
they're gonna take your license away
to drive,

504
00:19:41,767 --> 00:19:42,767
do you understand?

505
00:19:42,834 --> 00:19:45,433
If somebody hurts themselves

506
00:19:45,500 --> 00:19:48,300
on, in, under, around the bus,

507
00:19:48,367 --> 00:19:49,500
it's in your name,

508
00:19:49,567 --> 00:19:51,800
somebody will get a judgment against you

509
00:19:51,867 --> 00:19:54,767
and make sure 'cause this is forever,

510
00:19:54,834 --> 00:19:57,400
this tape is forever,
they will come after you.

511
00:19:57,467 --> 00:20:01,600
So I would suggest he's gonna park
this bus some place,

512
00:20:01,667 --> 00:20:04,567
is there a local police department
where you live?

513
00:20:04,633 --> 00:20:07,033
Uh, yes, there is.
I can drop it off at the Topanga Station.

514
00:20:07,100 --> 00:20:09,734
Great. On what date can you drop it off?

515
00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:11,166
I can drop it off today.

516
00:20:11,233 --> 00:20:13,033
Oh, well, let's wait until tomorrow.

517
00:20:13,100 --> 00:20:15,066
- You got it.
- [Judge Judy] Perfect.

518
00:20:15,133 --> 00:20:19,033
Tomorrow between 9:00 and noon,

519
00:20:19,100 --> 00:20:23,100
I suggest you get your behind
to the police station

520
00:20:23,166 --> 00:20:25,233
and pick up your bus, do you understand?

521
00:20:25,300 --> 00:20:26,667
- Yes, ma'am.
- [Judge Judy] Very good.

522
00:20:26,734 --> 00:20:28,166
We're done here, thank you.

523
00:20:28,233 --> 00:20:29,600
[Kevin] Court is adjourned.

524
00:20:31,066 --> 00:20:34,500
I had thought that the smog may have been
valid from the previous smog.

525
00:20:34,567 --> 00:20:37,667
Once I realized that he wasn't returning
my text messages and my phone calls,

526
00:20:37,734 --> 00:20:40,600
it became evident that
this was uncomfortable.

527
00:20:40,667 --> 00:20:42,000
I'm a busy man and work

528
00:20:42,066 --> 00:20:43,900
and the text message shows that I received

529
00:20:43,967 --> 00:20:46,100
over 30 within an hour period.

530
00:20:46,166 --> 00:20:48,667
The text messages he shows
don't have timestamps.

531
00:20:48,734 --> 00:20:51,066
Those were throughout
multiple days and times.

532
00:20:51,133 --> 00:20:54,767
I had wanted to keep it
and I really love that bus.

533
00:20:56,367 --> 00:20:58,367
[Judge Judy] You see,
sometimes you change your mind.

534
00:20:59,300 --> 00:21:01,200
I still don't understand

535
00:21:01,266 --> 00:21:03,033
why he spent so much money for the bus.

536
00:21:03,100 --> 00:21:05,700
I mean, his explanation was that
it was--he looked online...

537
00:21:05,767 --> 00:21:06,900
- Uh-hmm.
- [Judge Judy] ...saw what it was worth,

538
00:21:06,967 --> 00:21:09,500
and it was--but there was
something very shifty

539
00:21:09,567 --> 00:21:11,800
about this guy, Michael.

540
00:21:11,867 --> 00:21:13,567
- Yeah.
- [Judge Judy] I learned,

541
00:21:13,633 --> 00:21:15,300
only in the last several years,

542
00:21:15,367 --> 00:21:18,800
that it was against the law to--
in California

543
00:21:18,867 --> 00:21:22,100
to sell a car, even as a private person,

544
00:21:22,166 --> 00:21:25,333
that was incapable of being smogged.

545
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:26,633
- Yeah.
- And this bus

546
00:21:26,700 --> 00:21:28,200
was incapable of being smogged.

547
00:21:28,266 --> 00:21:29,967
I looked into the statute and learned

548
00:21:30,033 --> 00:21:33,934
there's many exceptions
to that rule for newer vehicles,

549
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,533
purchased brand new from a dealer within
the past four years,

550
00:21:38,033 --> 00:21:40,934
those types of cars don't have
to be smogged right away.

551
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,633
So there are exceptions,
but this bus was exactly

552
00:21:43,700 --> 00:21:45,133
who the statute was made for,

553
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,367
to ensure that people were not sold

554
00:21:47,433 --> 00:21:49,834
older vehicles
without them being smogged first.

555
00:21:49,900 --> 00:21:51,467
Smogged first or capable of being smogged.

556
00:21:51,533 --> 00:21:52,533
Exactly.

557
00:21:53,100 --> 00:21:54,500
Anyway, and I'm sympathetic

558
00:21:54,567 --> 00:21:57,000
because he said this catalytic converter--

559
00:21:57,066 --> 00:21:59,600
- Yeah.
- ...there's no product being moved now...

560
00:21:59,667 --> 00:22:01,100
- [Sarah] Yeah.
- ...anywhere in the world.

561
00:22:01,900 --> 00:22:04,700
- So, he can't even get the part.
- [Sarah] Uh-hmm.

562
00:22:04,767 --> 00:22:07,967
[Judge Judy] And I have a feeling
that that's why Michael

563
00:22:08,033 --> 00:22:09,600
- didn't register the car.
- [Sarah] Uh-hmm.

564
00:22:09,667 --> 00:22:11,133
Resold it very quickly.

565
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:12,734
[Judge Judy] Very quickly.
You know, within six weeks.

566
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,667
- There's no other explanation of that.
- [Sarah] Yeah.

567
00:22:15,734 --> 00:22:17,033
[Judge Judy] So, I think

568
00:22:17,100 --> 00:22:18,900
- the right thing happened.
- Me, too. I agree.

569
00:22:20,633 --> 00:22:23,800
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570
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