1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:02,600 You were a tenant? 2 00:00:02,667 --> 00:00:05,967 - Yes. - Tell me why you evicted her. 3 00:00:06,033 --> 00:00:09,033 At that time, when I evicted her, 4 00:00:09,100 --> 00:00:11,000 I have no place to live. 5 00:00:11,066 --> 00:00:12,533 I had to--I had to move into the house, and... 6 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:16,567 Well, you're not living there now, right? 7 00:00:16,633 --> 00:00:19,133 - I have an answer. - I'm not gonna be happy with your answer. 8 00:00:20,133 --> 00:00:22,300 [announcer] This is Judy Justice. 9 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,000 [theme music playing] 10 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:45,166 [announcer] Joni Reed is suing her former landlord, Al Ramsay, 11 00:00:45,233 --> 00:00:49,100 for wrongful eviction, a security deposit, and moving costs. 12 00:00:50,166 --> 00:00:52,200 [Kevin] Court come to order. All rise. 13 00:00:54,900 --> 00:00:57,033 Have a seat, please. 14 00:00:57,100 --> 00:01:01,266 [Kevin] Hello, Judge. Case number 1135B, Reed versus Ramsay. 15 00:01:01,333 --> 00:01:04,000 - Thank you. - You're welcome. 16 00:01:04,066 --> 00:01:05,400 - Kevin? - [Kevin] Yes. 17 00:01:05,467 --> 00:01:08,300 - What is the name of this witness? - Eva Traeger. 18 00:01:08,367 --> 00:01:10,800 Would you put her outside, please? She has... 19 00:01:10,867 --> 00:01:12,133 - [Kevin] Oh. - ...the next case. If anything, 20 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,433 she's maybe called as a witness in this case, 21 00:01:14,500 --> 00:01:16,000 but she has nothing to do with this case. 22 00:01:16,066 --> 00:01:17,100 [Kevin] Please follow me. 23 00:01:20,700 --> 00:01:23,333 The bare facts of this case are relatively simple. 24 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,667 Ms. Reed, you were a tenant of the defendant's 25 00:01:26,734 --> 00:01:30,834 - from 2017 until this year. - Yes. 26 00:01:30,900 --> 00:01:34,400 [Judge Judy] And you were renting a rather large piece of property from him. 27 00:01:34,467 --> 00:01:36,633 - How many acres, sir? - Forty acres, Your Honor. 28 00:01:36,700 --> 00:01:38,834 - You had animals? - No, I had no animals. 29 00:01:38,900 --> 00:01:41,600 - [Judge Judy] You had no animals? - No, I had pets, cats and dogs. 30 00:01:41,667 --> 00:01:43,300 - [Judge Judy] How many dogs? - One dog. 31 00:01:43,366 --> 00:01:45,300 - [Judge Judy] How many cats? - There were several cats 32 00:01:45,366 --> 00:01:48,433 that were outside, cats that I fed, but I had two indoor cats. 33 00:01:48,500 --> 00:01:50,366 How many several outdoor cats? 34 00:01:50,433 --> 00:01:54,366 I'd say there was three mother cats, and I don't know how many baby cats. 35 00:01:54,433 --> 00:01:56,433 - About 17 or 18 cats, Your Honor. - Okay. 36 00:01:56,500 --> 00:01:57,800 - And one dog? - One dog. 37 00:01:57,866 --> 00:01:59,200 [Judge Judy] You rented that property, 38 00:01:59,265 --> 00:02:01,133 you rented the main house on the property. 39 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,166 - Correct. - [Judge Judy] And the rent, 40 00:02:03,233 --> 00:02:05,934 according to what I read, was about $950 a month. 41 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:07,033 Yes, at first. 42 00:02:07,100 --> 00:02:09,300 [Judge Judy] And you started your tenancy in what month, 43 00:02:09,366 --> 00:02:11,300 Ms. Reed, in 2017? 44 00:02:11,367 --> 00:02:12,834 February 2017. 45 00:02:12,900 --> 00:02:14,233 [Judge Judy] Did you have a written lease? 46 00:02:14,300 --> 00:02:15,734 - No. Oral. - [Judge Judy] Fine. 47 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,500 This is what the case is about. Mr. Ramsay, at some point, 48 00:02:19,567 --> 00:02:24,033 wanted you no longer as a tenant and he retained a lawyer... 49 00:02:24,100 --> 00:02:26,233 - Yes, Your Honor. - [Judge Judy] ...in order to evict you. 50 00:02:26,300 --> 00:02:29,100 - Correct. - [Judge Judy] And I see that Mr. Ramsay 51 00:02:29,166 --> 00:02:30,700 has no papers in front of him. 52 00:02:30,767 --> 00:02:31,734 No, I don't, Your Honor. 53 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:33,567 [Judge Judy] Well, why would that be, Mr. Ramsay? 54 00:02:33,633 --> 00:02:36,333 [Al] Because Ms. Reed moved out three months ago. 55 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:37,800 I thought it was all over with. 56 00:02:37,867 --> 00:02:39,200 - [Judge Judy] Just a second. - Okay. 57 00:02:39,266 --> 00:02:41,633 Mr. Ramsay, I'm not gonna be happy with your answer. 58 00:02:41,700 --> 00:02:45,066 I'm gonna let you know right now. I'm not gonna be happy with your answer, 59 00:02:45,133 --> 00:02:48,567 unless Ms. Reed has the paperwork to show me, and she might. 60 00:02:48,633 --> 00:02:52,834 Now, Ms. Reed had paid her rent regularly during her tenancy, 61 00:02:52,900 --> 00:02:54,033 - correct? - Yes, Your Honor. 62 00:02:54,100 --> 00:02:56,667 [Judge Judy] And you wanted her out in what month and year? 63 00:02:56,734 --> 00:02:58,000 - [Al] February. - [Judge Judy] Of this year? 64 00:02:58,066 --> 00:03:00,600 - Yes. - And you live in the state of California. 65 00:03:00,667 --> 00:03:02,867 - Yes. - [Judge Judy] And Ms. Reed is suing you 66 00:03:02,934 --> 00:03:06,266 for fraudulently evicting her in 2021, 67 00:03:06,333 --> 00:03:10,533 and she's suing you for $5,000, which is the maximum she can sue you 68 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,667 for fraudulently evicting her from her premises. 69 00:03:13,734 --> 00:03:17,767 Your response is that you hired an attorney and an eviction company, 70 00:03:17,834 --> 00:03:19,500 - you hired professionals... - [Al] Yes. 71 00:03:19,567 --> 00:03:20,700 - [Judge Judy] ...to evict her. - Yes. 72 00:03:20,767 --> 00:03:22,400 - [Judge Judy] And they did. - Yes. 73 00:03:22,466 --> 00:03:25,200 [Judge Judy] And therefore, it was a perfectly legal eviction. 74 00:03:25,266 --> 00:03:26,166 Yes, Your Honor. 75 00:03:26,233 --> 00:03:30,466 [Judge Judy] Well, there are very limited bases on which you can evict a tenant, 76 00:03:30,533 --> 00:03:32,900 - especially during COVID... - Okay. 77 00:03:32,966 --> 00:03:36,200 [Judge Judy] ...in California, not even for non-payment of rent... 78 00:03:36,266 --> 00:03:38,233 - Right. - ...which you don't even allege here, 79 00:03:38,300 --> 00:03:39,266 - because she... - Yes. 80 00:03:39,333 --> 00:03:40,166 [Judge Judy] ...did in fact pay her rent. 81 00:03:40,233 --> 00:03:42,900 So the only basis in California 82 00:03:42,966 --> 00:03:46,233 upon which you can rely in evicting a tenant 83 00:03:46,300 --> 00:03:51,066 is if you or a close relative intend to move back 84 00:03:51,133 --> 00:03:56,100 into the property or if you intend and do in fact sell the property. 85 00:03:56,166 --> 00:03:59,333 I assume, sir, that you still own the property. 86 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:00,600 Yes, Your Honor. 87 00:04:00,667 --> 00:04:03,133 So I would like you to tell me, and then of course, 88 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,600 Ms. Reed is going to have to show me the affidavit, 89 00:04:06,667 --> 00:04:08,667 because you clearly, when you evict someone, 90 00:04:08,734 --> 00:04:10,300 you have to file an affidavit. 91 00:04:10,367 --> 00:04:12,800 That's why I'm curious why you have no paperwork. 92 00:04:12,867 --> 00:04:14,100 - Do you understand? - Yes. 93 00:04:14,166 --> 00:04:16,533 [Judge Judy] Because that's very easy if you hired an eviction company. 94 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:18,132 - They have copies of it. - [Al] Right. 95 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,100 And the lawyer, he'd certainly have copies of it, Mr. Ramsay... 96 00:04:21,166 --> 00:04:23,332 - Yes. - ...so that if you threw away yours, 97 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,500 you thought it was all over. All you had to do is say, 98 00:04:25,567 --> 00:04:27,900 "I need copies of my papers to bring to the court 99 00:04:27,967 --> 00:04:29,533 - because she's suing me now." - Yes. 100 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:30,500 - [Judge Judy] Do you understand? - Sure. 101 00:04:30,567 --> 00:04:32,332 [Judge Judy] You wanna explain to me why you didn't do that? 102 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,500 [Al] Well, I thought it was all over with. 103 00:04:34,567 --> 00:04:36,233 [Judge Judy] Well, I know you thought it was all over with, 104 00:04:36,300 --> 00:04:37,633 - but you're standing here now. - [Al] Yeah. 105 00:04:37,700 --> 00:04:39,300 [Judge Judy] Now you're standing here. And so now... 106 00:04:39,367 --> 00:04:40,266 - [Al] In the state... - ...you have to tell me. 107 00:04:40,332 --> 00:04:41,834 - You're an intelligent man. - [Al] In the--in the county--in, 108 00:04:41,900 --> 00:04:42,834 in the Stanislaus County, 109 00:04:42,900 --> 00:04:45,400 they said you're allowed to evict even, uh... 110 00:04:45,467 --> 00:04:46,834 [Judge Judy] You can't tell me what the county said to you. 111 00:04:46,900 --> 00:04:48,367 The county doesn't speak. 112 00:04:48,433 --> 00:04:50,834 - I mean, well, my attorney... - [Judge Judy] Just a second. 113 00:04:50,900 --> 00:04:53,834 You can't tell me what your attorney told you because that's hearsay. 114 00:04:53,900 --> 00:04:55,533 - Okay. - What you can do is to bring me 115 00:04:55,600 --> 00:05:01,133 the affidavit that you had signed in order to get a court to evict. 116 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:02,800 Well, Your Honor, we didn't actually go to court. 117 00:05:02,867 --> 00:05:05,133 - We settled outside of court. - [Judge Judy] Oh, just a second. 118 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:06,567 - So let's go back. - [Al] Okay. 119 00:05:06,633 --> 00:05:08,700 - Because you do understand... - [Al] Yes. 120 00:05:08,767 --> 00:05:12,266 [Judge Judy] ...that if in fact you filed a document with the court 121 00:05:12,333 --> 00:05:15,300 on which the court relied that you intended 122 00:05:15,367 --> 00:05:17,332 to move back into the premises, 123 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,934 which was the basis for your eviction of her, 124 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:21,934 then that was a fraudulent eviction 125 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:23,367 'cause you're not living there now, right? 126 00:05:23,433 --> 00:05:24,567 - [Al] No. - [Judge Judy] Right. 127 00:05:24,633 --> 00:05:26,500 - I can answer that question. - But if what you are saying to me 128 00:05:26,567 --> 00:05:31,133 is that you settled the matter with the plaintiff, 129 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,500 that I'm gonna hear in a minute. 130 00:05:33,567 --> 00:05:35,967 So let me see, Ms. Reed, 131 00:05:36,033 --> 00:05:38,533 the eviction notice that you received, 132 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:42,633 together with his affidavit as to why you were being evicted. 133 00:05:44,834 --> 00:05:46,166 This is the notice, 134 00:05:46,233 --> 00:05:48,767 and I have court documentation showing... 135 00:05:48,834 --> 00:05:50,600 - Well, let me see the notice. - Uh-hmm. 136 00:05:50,667 --> 00:05:52,734 Let me see what it says. 137 00:05:56,633 --> 00:05:58,100 Oh. Very easy. 138 00:05:58,166 --> 00:06:01,767 I'd like you to show this to Mr. Ramsay 139 00:06:01,834 --> 00:06:04,900 because clearly Mr. Ramsay 140 00:06:04,967 --> 00:06:07,367 falsely signed a document 141 00:06:07,433 --> 00:06:10,033 that he intended to move into the property. 142 00:06:11,166 --> 00:06:12,166 Now... 143 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:14,400 Thank you. 144 00:06:15,033 --> 00:06:16,533 [Judge Judy] ...that's the document that you signed. 145 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:17,633 - Sure. - [Judge Judy] One of the documents. 146 00:06:17,700 --> 00:06:18,900 I'll take it back now, Kevin. 147 00:06:18,967 --> 00:06:24,300 So that document that you filed was in fact fraudulent 148 00:06:24,367 --> 00:06:26,700 because you were not moving into the property 149 00:06:26,767 --> 00:06:28,332 and you don't live on the property now. 150 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,266 - I have an answer. - Go ahead. 151 00:06:30,332 --> 00:06:32,000 - I was going to move into the property-- - I don't care, 152 00:06:32,066 --> 00:06:33,767 - I'm not moving into your mind. - [Al] No. No. 153 00:06:33,834 --> 00:06:36,300 No, I mean, uh, the house was so wrecked, I couldn't move into it. 154 00:06:36,367 --> 00:06:37,233 [Judge Judy] Yeah. Okay. 155 00:06:37,300 --> 00:06:38,800 - Mr. Ramsay? - [Al] Yes, ma'am. 156 00:06:38,867 --> 00:06:41,900 [Judge Judy] I know that slick people will say, 157 00:06:41,967 --> 00:06:44,834 well, if you had to, you say to the court, 158 00:06:44,900 --> 00:06:47,633 "It was my intention to move into the property, 159 00:06:47,700 --> 00:06:49,900 but because of blah, blah, blah, blah, 160 00:06:49,967 --> 00:06:52,233 blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, 161 00:06:52,300 --> 00:06:56,200 I couldn't move into the property, but it was in fact my intention." 162 00:06:56,266 --> 00:06:58,600 This face doesn't buy it. 163 00:07:00,100 --> 00:07:03,233 Do you understand? However, Ms. Reed, 164 00:07:03,300 --> 00:07:05,600 you could have fought this eviction, 165 00:07:05,667 --> 00:07:07,934 but Mr. Ramsay says 166 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,934 that you settled the matter with him, Ms. Reed. 167 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,000 - Yes. - Did you go to housing court? 168 00:07:14,066 --> 00:07:16,900 [Judy] I don't believe it was housing court-- he actually--I went to court. 169 00:07:16,967 --> 00:07:19,233 - [Judge Judy] You went... - I fought the eviction through court. 170 00:07:19,300 --> 00:07:20,867 Good. May I see her papers? 171 00:07:32,500 --> 00:07:33,933 - And you had a lawyer? - [Judy] I did not-- 172 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:35,734 - well, I was represent... - [Judge Judy] Yes, you did. 173 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,567 I was represented by California Rural Legal Assistance. 174 00:07:38,633 --> 00:07:40,467 [Judge Judy] Oh, fine. That's fine. But you were represented. 175 00:07:40,533 --> 00:07:42,033 - [Judy] Yes. - [Judge Judy] That's a yes. 176 00:07:42,100 --> 00:07:44,433 When you went to court, was there a trial? 177 00:07:44,500 --> 00:07:46,767 I believe there was not a trial. 178 00:07:46,834 --> 00:07:48,967 I think it was a stipulation before trial. 179 00:07:49,033 --> 00:07:52,367 If there's a stipulation before trial, that means that either 180 00:07:52,433 --> 00:07:55,834 you're still there or you agreed to move and he paid you some money. 181 00:07:55,900 --> 00:07:57,233 - Okay. - I've been doing this business 182 00:07:57,300 --> 00:07:59,600 for 50 years, so please, 183 00:07:59,667 --> 00:08:01,367 - let us not... - [Judy] I'm trying to-- 184 00:08:01,433 --> 00:08:04,834 I'm trying to tell you, I went to trial but I did not have representation, 185 00:08:04,900 --> 00:08:06,200 - and I did move. - [Al] Just a--just a... 186 00:08:06,266 --> 00:08:08,467 - I did move. - I asked you a simple question. 187 00:08:08,533 --> 00:08:10,533 - Okay. - [Judge Judy] Was there a settlement 188 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:12,867 where Mr. Ramsay paid you money? 189 00:08:12,934 --> 00:08:14,867 - He paid me no money. - [Judge Judy] Nothing? 190 00:08:14,934 --> 00:08:16,433 - Nothing. - Is that correct? 191 00:08:16,500 --> 00:08:18,066 - Yes, Your Honor. - [Judge Judy] Well, go ahead. 192 00:08:18,133 --> 00:08:21,166 [Al] She had an add--an additional three months after the court, 193 00:08:21,233 --> 00:08:22,367 - I let her stay 'cause she... - [Judge Judy] Shh. 194 00:08:22,433 --> 00:08:24,200 ...didn't have any place to go, and this and that. 195 00:08:24,266 --> 00:08:29,133 [Judge Judy] So, is what you're saying to me that the stipulation was, 196 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,500 when you finally went to court, in what month? 197 00:08:31,567 --> 00:08:32,967 - June. - June of this year? 198 00:08:33,033 --> 00:08:35,033 - [Al] Yes. - [Judge Judy] Is that correct, Ms. Reed? 199 00:08:35,100 --> 00:08:37,767 The paper was filed June, we went to court in August. 200 00:08:37,834 --> 00:08:39,767 - August of 2021? - Yes. 201 00:08:39,834 --> 00:08:45,600 [Judge Judy] Was there a stipulation filed that you, in settlement of this case, 202 00:08:45,667 --> 00:08:50,400 that you were going to be able to reside for another three months on the property? 203 00:08:50,467 --> 00:08:53,165 Three weeks is what the stipulation showed me. 204 00:08:53,233 --> 00:08:55,133 Oh, I'd like to see it. 205 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:56,934 - This is the stipulation. - [Judge Judy] May I see it, please? 206 00:09:05,333 --> 00:09:08,467 Okay, Mr. Ramsay. This is your problem, sir. 207 00:09:08,533 --> 00:09:12,433 This is filed July 21st, and it says, 208 00:09:12,500 --> 00:09:15,600 because of what you swore to, 209 00:09:15,667 --> 00:09:17,867 that you were moving into the premises, 210 00:09:17,934 --> 00:09:19,700 that's the reason for the eviction, 211 00:09:19,767 --> 00:09:23,900 that, based on this, the rental agreement is cancelled, 212 00:09:23,967 --> 00:09:26,433 a writ of possession will issue immediately, 213 00:09:26,500 --> 00:09:31,567 that means you're entitled to possession immediately because of this fraud, 214 00:09:31,633 --> 00:09:36,800 and she has until August 9th, which is a couple of weeks away, 215 00:09:36,867 --> 00:09:38,567 - not three months. - Your Honor, I'd let her stay longer 216 00:09:38,633 --> 00:09:39,967 - than the--they... - [Judge Judy] I don't care. 217 00:09:40,033 --> 00:09:41,667 - Okay. - [Judge Judy] Shoulda, woulda, coulda. 218 00:09:41,734 --> 00:09:43,867 - Sure. - And judgment will be entered now, 219 00:09:43,934 --> 00:09:48,633 and that was by the Judicial Officer Jared [...]. 220 00:09:48,700 --> 00:09:52,633 Well, if Jared knew that what your attorney filed 221 00:09:52,700 --> 00:09:55,233 was a fraudulent document and it was a-- 222 00:09:55,300 --> 00:10:00,567 based upon that fraudulent document that this stipulation was entered, 223 00:10:00,633 --> 00:10:04,333 the judicial officer would be furious, sir. 224 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,467 - Could I speak, Your Honor? - Absolutely. 225 00:10:06,533 --> 00:10:10,467 Okay. I initially rented the property to Joni Reed and her son, Kenny Reed. 226 00:10:10,533 --> 00:10:13,300 She had six more people move in in trailers 227 00:10:13,367 --> 00:10:15,800 and motorhomes outside the property, and in trucks. 228 00:10:15,867 --> 00:10:18,867 I told her she couldn't do that there, my insurance wouldn't cover it. 229 00:10:18,934 --> 00:10:20,000 - Isn't that... - Hold on. 230 00:10:20,066 --> 00:10:20,900 - [Al] And, and she would never... - So is what... 231 00:10:20,967 --> 00:10:21,934 - ...do anything about it. - Sir, just a second. 232 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:23,967 So is what you're telling me, sir... 233 00:10:24,033 --> 00:10:25,800 [Al] No, that's not why I evicted her, though. 234 00:10:25,867 --> 00:10:27,600 [Judge Judy] Okay. Tell me why you evicted her. 235 00:10:27,667 --> 00:10:31,333 [Al] Well, at that time, when I evicted her, I have no place to live. 236 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:33,000 I had to--I had to move into the house. 237 00:10:33,066 --> 00:10:37,000 I lost my wife in COVID, and, uh, I just had no place to live. 238 00:10:37,066 --> 00:10:38,767 [Judge Judy] Where are you living, sir? Now? 239 00:10:38,834 --> 00:10:41,100 - I live--I live in San Jose. - What kind of premises? 240 00:10:41,165 --> 00:10:43,266 I have a room with a friend. A friend. 241 00:10:43,333 --> 00:10:45,333 - [Judge Judy] Mr. Ramsay. - Yes. Yes, Your Honor. 242 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:46,300 - I mean, I don't have my... - We're not-- 243 00:10:46,367 --> 00:10:47,700 we're not on the same page, sir. 244 00:10:47,767 --> 00:10:50,367 - Where did you live with your wife? - In my home in San Jose. 245 00:10:50,433 --> 00:10:52,266 [Judge Judy] What's the address of your home in San Jose? 246 00:10:52,333 --> 00:10:54,533 1374 [...] San Jose. 247 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,967 [Judge Judy] Is that an owned property or a rental property? 248 00:10:58,033 --> 00:10:59,867 - That's an owned property. - [Judge Judy] An owned. 249 00:10:59,934 --> 00:11:01,533 Yes. But I don't own it anymore. 250 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,000 [Judge Judy] Just, just, just, just a second. 251 00:11:03,066 --> 00:11:05,467 Who is the current owner of the property? 252 00:11:05,533 --> 00:11:10,033 I own it half with my ex-wife and my son lives there. 253 00:11:10,100 --> 00:11:11,934 - Mr. Ramsay. - Yes, Your Honor. 254 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,800 I don't know how to say this to you, sir, 255 00:11:13,867 --> 00:11:17,033 but you may be able to get over with some people with that baloney. 256 00:11:17,100 --> 00:11:18,867 - You are not getting over with me. - I'm not trying to get over... 257 00:11:18,934 --> 00:11:20,467 [Judge Judy] Yeah. You would not get over with me. 258 00:11:20,533 --> 00:11:22,333 - I would have sympathy with you. - [Al] I'm not trying to get over... 259 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:23,633 [Judge Judy] I--just a second. 260 00:11:23,700 --> 00:11:25,800 I have nowhere--I was living-- I was living with friends, 261 00:11:25,867 --> 00:11:26,867 - I lost my house... - [Al] Yeah. 262 00:11:26,934 --> 00:11:27,767 - ...but I... - [Al] Yeah. 263 00:11:27,834 --> 00:11:29,834 ...still own my house, but my son lives there. 264 00:11:29,900 --> 00:11:31,033 - [Al] Yeah. - Mr. Ramsay? 265 00:11:31,100 --> 00:11:32,066 - [Al] Yes, Your Honor. - Mr. Ramsay. 266 00:11:32,133 --> 00:11:33,633 - [Al] Sure. - I don't know whether you think... 267 00:11:33,700 --> 00:11:35,033 - Okay. - ...because I'm a woman judge... 268 00:11:35,100 --> 00:11:38,266 - Can I speak here? - ...I'm stupid, or because I'm old, 269 00:11:38,333 --> 00:11:39,633 - I'm stupid. - [Al] No, no. 270 00:11:39,700 --> 00:11:42,400 [Judge Judy] I don't know what you think-- it's very easy, sir. 271 00:11:42,467 --> 00:11:46,033 If you came and said to me she had tons of people living there, 272 00:11:46,100 --> 00:11:49,066 she brought in people in RVs, it's 40 acres, 273 00:11:49,133 --> 00:11:51,066 but that's not why I had her evicted, 274 00:11:51,133 --> 00:11:53,600 because we're gonna go back to this fraudulent document. 275 00:11:53,667 --> 00:11:55,467 No, I, I needed the house to live in, and I--and, and I... 276 00:11:55,533 --> 00:11:57,800 - Well, you're not living there now. - [Al] No, of course not. 277 00:11:57,867 --> 00:12:00,767 It's uninhabitable. 278 00:12:00,834 --> 00:12:02,433 (laughs) Okay. Wait until we get into the next case. 279 00:12:02,500 --> 00:12:05,467 Sir, you've had eight months to restructure the house, 280 00:12:05,533 --> 00:12:07,033 to do whatever you want to with the house. 281 00:12:07,100 --> 00:12:08,300 Meanwhile you live in San Jose. 282 00:12:08,367 --> 00:12:10,400 - If I looked at the court... - It's a hundred miles away. 283 00:12:10,467 --> 00:12:11,400 - [Judge Judy] Listen to me, sir. - Sure. 284 00:12:11,467 --> 00:12:15,867 If I looked at the documents that you filed 285 00:12:15,934 --> 00:12:18,467 when you brought your case to me 286 00:12:18,533 --> 00:12:21,433 where the people that reached out to you, 287 00:12:21,500 --> 00:12:25,900 it would be at the home that you co-own in San Jose. 288 00:12:25,967 --> 00:12:27,166 - Mr. Ramsay. - Yeah. I know. 289 00:12:27,233 --> 00:12:29,633 [Judge Judy] Mr. Ramsay. Look at me, sir. 290 00:12:29,700 --> 00:12:31,066 - [Al] Okay. - You're done. 291 00:12:31,133 --> 00:12:32,400 - [Al] No, Your Honor. - Done. 292 00:12:32,467 --> 00:12:33,400 - [Al] I don't live in... - Hard-boiled. 293 00:12:33,467 --> 00:12:34,600 I don't live at the house in San Jose. 294 00:12:34,667 --> 00:12:35,500 [Judge Judy] Just a second. 295 00:12:35,567 --> 00:12:39,300 That's where it would say you live, and I tell you what. 296 00:12:39,367 --> 00:12:43,033 [Al] Your Honor, I don't--I do not live at the house in San Jose. 297 00:12:43,100 --> 00:12:45,333 - I don't live there. - Tell me your address, sir. 298 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,300 1374 [...] San Jose. 299 00:12:48,367 --> 00:12:49,700 But I'm--I, I don't live there. 300 00:12:49,767 --> 00:12:52,500 Tell me where you live. That's what I--that was my question. 301 00:12:52,567 --> 00:12:53,734 - Did I ask him that? - [Al] 137... 302 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:54,667 - [Shirley] You did. - "Tell me where you live." 303 00:12:54,734 --> 00:12:57,333 [Al] Yeah. 160 [...] San Jose. 304 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:58,967 And who lives there, sir? 305 00:12:59,033 --> 00:13:00,967 My brother and his son. 306 00:13:01,033 --> 00:13:02,667 Is your name on the mailbox? 307 00:13:02,734 --> 00:13:05,500 Ramsay. Ramsay, yes. 308 00:13:05,567 --> 00:13:06,900 No, it's 'cause it's my brother's house. 309 00:13:06,967 --> 00:13:08,500 - Judgment, judgment for the plaintiff... - [Al] Your, Your Honor, wait a minute... 310 00:13:08,567 --> 00:13:11,200 ...for the amount of $5,000 as requested, which is the maximum. 311 00:13:11,266 --> 00:13:12,667 - You committed fraud on the court... - No, I didn't... 312 00:13:12,734 --> 00:13:13,800 - ...Mr. Ramsay. - ...Your Honor. 313 00:13:13,867 --> 00:13:14,967 - I'm not happy about that. - [Al] I did not... 314 00:13:15,033 --> 00:13:17,567 Sit down while we call the next case because you're also the defendant. 315 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:19,633 Yeah. 316 00:13:19,700 --> 00:13:22,700 Perfect. 317 00:13:22,767 --> 00:13:26,000 - You know, you're too slick, Mr. Ramsay. - Oh, gosh. 318 00:13:26,066 --> 00:13:28,834 [Judge Judy] You have to be orderly and honest. 319 00:13:28,900 --> 00:13:30,834 - I'm honest, Your Honor. - [Judge Judy] Yeah. Well... 320 00:13:30,900 --> 00:13:32,100 Honest. 321 00:13:32,165 --> 00:13:33,533 I'm honest, honest. 322 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:34,834 That's, that's... 323 00:13:34,900 --> 00:13:36,033 That's what? 324 00:13:40,300 --> 00:13:43,367 [theme music playing] 325 00:13:47,066 --> 00:13:51,834 [announcer] Eva Traeger is suing her former landlord, Al Ramsay, 326 00:13:51,900 --> 00:13:54,600 for remodeling services done to his property. 327 00:13:54,667 --> 00:13:56,967 Stand up, Mr. Ramsay. 328 00:13:57,033 --> 00:13:59,233 Leave that there. Here. 329 00:14:00,500 --> 00:14:02,066 First, let's call the case. 330 00:14:02,133 --> 00:14:03,367 - [Kevin] Raise your hand, please. - I have the case here. 331 00:14:03,433 --> 00:14:05,967 This is Traeger versus Ramsay. 332 00:14:06,033 --> 00:14:08,166 He's been sworn. Just swear her. 333 00:14:08,233 --> 00:14:09,734 Swear to tell the truth in these matters today? 334 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:11,066 - Yes. - [Kevin] Thank you. 335 00:14:11,133 --> 00:14:15,400 - So this is your case against Mr. Ramsay? - Yes, Your Honor. 336 00:14:15,467 --> 00:14:17,100 - You knew Mr. Ramsay? - Yes. 337 00:14:17,166 --> 00:14:20,200 - [Judge Judy] How did you know him? - I rented from him eight years ago. 338 00:14:20,266 --> 00:14:21,967 - [Judge Judy] All 40 acres? - Yes. 339 00:14:22,033 --> 00:14:24,233 [Judge Judy] For how long did you rent from him eight years ago? 340 00:14:24,300 --> 00:14:26,367 - Nine months. - How many horses do you have? 341 00:14:26,433 --> 00:14:27,867 Today, six. 342 00:14:27,934 --> 00:14:30,300 - What other animals do you have? - Dogs. 343 00:14:30,367 --> 00:14:32,000 - [Judge Judy] How many? - Six. 344 00:14:32,066 --> 00:14:35,165 [Judge Judy] There came a time when Ms. Reed moved out of the house 345 00:14:35,233 --> 00:14:36,934 sometime in August. 346 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:38,900 And somehow, you got in touch with her, 347 00:14:38,967 --> 00:14:40,133 he got in touch with you. 348 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:41,033 How did that happen? 349 00:14:41,100 --> 00:14:44,000 We talked at the beginning of the year, like about... 350 00:14:44,066 --> 00:14:45,934 - [Judge Judy] Beginning of? - Uh, this year. 351 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:47,433 January, February? When? 352 00:14:47,500 --> 00:14:48,867 It was around April. 353 00:14:48,934 --> 00:14:51,066 Okay. You talked in April. 354 00:14:51,133 --> 00:14:53,100 - On the phone or in person? - Phone. 355 00:14:53,165 --> 00:14:55,066 All right. Well, tell me about the conversation. 356 00:14:55,133 --> 00:14:59,165 He said that he had a tenant moving out that was going through eviction 357 00:14:59,233 --> 00:15:00,867 and it was taking longer. 358 00:15:00,934 --> 00:15:04,300 It was supposed to be sooner than it turned out to be, 359 00:15:04,367 --> 00:15:08,934 so we just kept in contact with text message and by cell phone calls. 360 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,433 [Judge Judy] You said it took longer than he expected it? 361 00:15:11,500 --> 00:15:12,967 [Evanda] He just said that "She's not out yet, 362 00:15:13,033 --> 00:15:14,667 I'm going to evict her. 363 00:15:14,734 --> 00:15:17,967 Gave her a notice, and they had to go back to court." 364 00:15:18,033 --> 00:15:20,500 [Judge Judy] And what was the arrangement 365 00:15:20,567 --> 00:15:22,000 that you had with him? 366 00:15:22,066 --> 00:15:26,200 At that time, I had went down to the property, spoke with him, 367 00:15:26,266 --> 00:15:28,533 we, you know, just kicked around some ideas, 368 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,166 and I came up with a number 'cause we talked about rent, 369 00:15:31,233 --> 00:15:35,133 and I said, "Well, what's she paying?" Um, she--he told me 1,100, 370 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,767 and I said, "Okay. Well, you know, the house is probably gonna need work." 371 00:15:38,834 --> 00:15:43,100 And so we came up with the idea that I would give him $12,000 for the year 372 00:15:43,165 --> 00:15:46,533 and I would help him with the remodel of the house or whatever needed done, 373 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,667 I would add my two cents to help get it done. 374 00:15:49,734 --> 00:15:51,567 - And I... - [Judge Judy] So, is what you're saying 375 00:15:51,633 --> 00:15:53,600 that you came up with an arrangement 376 00:15:53,667 --> 00:15:56,467 where you would give him $12,000 upfront? 377 00:15:56,533 --> 00:15:58,400 - Or 12,000... - Yes. For the year. 378 00:15:58,467 --> 00:16:01,233 [Judge Judy] That you would give him $12,000 in advance. 379 00:16:01,300 --> 00:16:03,066 [Evanda] Um, well, actually when I moved in 380 00:16:03,133 --> 00:16:05,000 because I already made it firm 381 00:16:05,066 --> 00:16:07,567 that I wouldn't move there whenever she was living there 382 00:16:07,633 --> 00:16:10,734 'cause he wanted me to come and stay in my trailer, 383 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:12,367 and I didn't wanna do that. 384 00:16:12,433 --> 00:16:15,300 Okay. So you said to him, "We'll make a formal lease." 385 00:16:15,367 --> 00:16:16,567 Yeah. 386 00:16:16,633 --> 00:16:18,500 [Judge Judy] When did you move into the property? 387 00:16:18,567 --> 00:16:23,800 I moved my horses the night of August 9th. 388 00:16:23,867 --> 00:16:26,667 - [Judge Judy] So when she left? - She was still there, actually. 389 00:16:26,734 --> 00:16:29,066 That was her last day. She had to be out by court order. 390 00:16:29,133 --> 00:16:30,433 By court order, yes. 391 00:16:30,500 --> 00:16:33,567 [Judge Judy] So when you had your discussion with him, 392 00:16:33,633 --> 00:16:37,100 the discussion was that you were gonna give him $12,000 for rent... 393 00:16:37,165 --> 00:16:38,967 - [Evanda] Yes. - ...and move your horses in. 394 00:16:39,033 --> 00:16:40,667 - Yes. - [Judge Judy] And you would do 395 00:16:40,734 --> 00:16:42,967 whatever work in the house that had to be done. 396 00:16:43,033 --> 00:16:44,533 - With him. - [Judge Judy] With him. 397 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:45,467 - Yes. - [Judge Judy] Okay. 398 00:16:45,533 --> 00:16:47,567 So it was your intention in his statement 399 00:16:47,633 --> 00:16:50,734 that he was going to lease this house to you for a year? 400 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,367 - Yes. - [Judge Judy] For $12,000 for the year. 401 00:16:53,433 --> 00:16:57,533 Once the house got all readied up, he was gonna help you get it readied up, 402 00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:58,867 you were gonna get it readied up, 403 00:16:58,934 --> 00:17:01,500 and you moved the horses in the same night, 404 00:17:01,567 --> 00:17:03,667 so that the horses had a place to stay. 405 00:17:03,734 --> 00:17:07,500 And your lawsuit is not for illegally evicting you 406 00:17:07,567 --> 00:17:09,300 - because you were never his tenant. - No. 407 00:17:09,367 --> 00:17:10,934 - 'Cause you never paid him any money. - Correct. 408 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:12,867 [Judge Judy] Your lawsuit against the defendant 409 00:17:12,934 --> 00:17:14,266 is more interesting. 410 00:17:14,333 --> 00:17:17,233 You say that you did contracting work on the house, 411 00:17:17,300 --> 00:17:19,934 - and then he told you to leave. - Yes. 412 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,567 So you wanna be paid for the work you did on the house. 413 00:17:22,633 --> 00:17:24,900 - Yes, ma'am. - [Judge Judy] Now, the horses moved in 414 00:17:24,967 --> 00:17:27,333 on August 9th. When did you move in? 415 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:28,500 On the property? 416 00:17:28,567 --> 00:17:32,033 I don't care if it was in an RV or a tent, or anything else. 417 00:17:32,100 --> 00:17:33,834 When did you start to stay there? 418 00:17:33,900 --> 00:17:38,000 August 10th, I moved my stuff, my trailers, trucks. 419 00:17:38,066 --> 00:17:41,066 I couldn't unpack 'em because we didn't have a house to put them into, 420 00:17:41,133 --> 00:17:42,233 - so it was August... - [Judge Judy] Just a second. 421 00:17:42,300 --> 00:17:44,233 So you moved your trailer onto the property? 422 00:17:44,300 --> 00:17:45,834 - Yes. - [Judge Judy] Well then, you're there, 423 00:17:45,900 --> 00:17:49,333 August 10th, the day after you moved your horses on the property. 424 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:53,567 - And on what date did you leave? - September 22nd. 425 00:17:53,633 --> 00:17:56,934 [Judge Judy] Okay. And between August 10th and September 22nd, 426 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:58,934 - your horses were there? - Yes. 427 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:00,600 - [Judge Judy] How many horses? - Eleven. 428 00:18:00,667 --> 00:18:02,500 [Judge Judy] Were they all yours or were you boarding them? 429 00:18:02,567 --> 00:18:04,066 - Mine. - What kind of work do you do? 430 00:18:04,133 --> 00:18:05,266 Pony parties. 431 00:18:05,333 --> 00:18:07,734 [Judge Judy] Were you working between August and September? 432 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:11,133 [Evanda] No. Actually, I had two pony parties between that. 433 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:12,900 [Judge Judy] Well then, don't say no. You say, "Yes, I had..." 434 00:18:12,967 --> 00:18:14,967 - Yes. - "...a pony party. I had two." 435 00:18:15,033 --> 00:18:17,200 - So you continued to run your business. - Yes. 436 00:18:17,266 --> 00:18:19,033 Did you pay the defendant 437 00:18:19,100 --> 00:18:21,367 - any rent for the horses? - No. 438 00:18:21,433 --> 00:18:23,066 [Judge Judy] So you continued to do your business 439 00:18:23,133 --> 00:18:24,300 but paid him no rent. 440 00:18:24,367 --> 00:18:27,333 - Did you in fact live on his premises? - Yes. 441 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,100 [Judge Judy] Did you in fact pay him any rent on his premises? 442 00:18:30,166 --> 00:18:32,166 - No. - So for that month and a half, 443 00:18:32,233 --> 00:18:36,200 you had free board for your horses and a free place to live for yourself. 444 00:18:36,266 --> 00:18:37,533 - That'd be fair. - Yes. 445 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:39,266 [Judge Judy] Now, this is what your lawsuit is about, 446 00:18:39,333 --> 00:18:41,834 and I do not have-- I don't think a counterclaim. 447 00:18:41,900 --> 00:18:45,100 No. So you're gonna tell me, Ms. Traeger, 448 00:18:45,166 --> 00:18:46,967 what you think he owes you money for. 449 00:18:47,033 --> 00:18:49,834 The work I did on his house, the remodeling, 450 00:18:49,900 --> 00:18:53,734 and the demolition of the house, and I offered to give him the money, 451 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,400 the 12,000, upfront and he wouldn't accept it. 452 00:18:56,467 --> 00:18:57,767 [Judge Judy] I don't care what you offered. 453 00:18:57,834 --> 00:19:00,633 You're suing him for work you did on the house. 454 00:19:00,700 --> 00:19:01,767 - Yes. - [Judge Judy] Now, 455 00:19:01,834 --> 00:19:05,033 I'd like you to tell me how much you spent on materials 456 00:19:05,100 --> 00:19:08,133 for the work that you did on the house, that you have receipts for. 457 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,033 $1,609. 458 00:19:10,100 --> 00:19:12,467 - Did he give you the money for that? - No. 459 00:19:12,533 --> 00:19:14,266 Your Honor, I have it on Venmo on my phone, 460 00:19:14,333 --> 00:19:15,567 that I gave her the money for that. 461 00:19:15,633 --> 00:19:17,433 [Judge Judy] Just a second. I'd like to see that. 462 00:19:23,467 --> 00:19:26,600 And I'd like to see his account. 463 00:19:32,266 --> 00:19:34,166 [Al] Right there. That's one of 'em. 464 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:36,700 And that's the other. 465 00:19:36,767 --> 00:19:39,300 [Judge Judy] Sarah, these numbers are for me, would you, please? 466 00:19:39,367 --> 00:19:41,600 Sure. I have a calculator, Your Honor. 467 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,400 Just slide it, that's one of them there. 468 00:19:45,467 --> 00:19:48,600 So you gave her $300? That's-- 469 00:19:48,667 --> 00:19:49,900 I don't know what the amount was, Your Honor. 470 00:19:49,967 --> 00:19:51,000 [Judge Judy] He's gonna show you. 471 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:57,066 - Yes. - [Judge Judy] Okay. 472 00:19:57,133 --> 00:19:59,200 I see the things from Home Depot. 473 00:19:59,266 --> 00:20:02,900 Ms. Traeger, what did you buy at Habitat for Humanity? 474 00:20:02,967 --> 00:20:06,233 We bought flooring, paint... 475 00:20:06,300 --> 00:20:08,367 - Who's we? - [Evanda] Uh, Al went with me. 476 00:20:08,433 --> 00:20:09,934 - I, I paid that... - [Judge Judy] Just a second. 477 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,633 If he went with you, then he paid. 478 00:20:11,700 --> 00:20:14,033 - [Al] I paid... - Oh, one--no, that was a separate. 479 00:20:14,100 --> 00:20:15,400 - That was a separate... - [Judge Judy] If he went with you then. 480 00:20:15,467 --> 00:20:16,600 - [Al] I paid, Your Honor. - [Evanda] No, that was his-- 481 00:20:16,667 --> 00:20:18,800 he bought flooring there one time we went there, 482 00:20:18,867 --> 00:20:21,400 and the other times I went there, I had to get supplies. 483 00:20:21,467 --> 00:20:23,700 I got flooring and I got paint. And I got... 484 00:20:23,767 --> 00:20:25,066 How many times did you go with her to help? 485 00:20:25,133 --> 00:20:27,100 [Al] Just, just one time, Your Honor. I bought the flooring. 486 00:20:27,166 --> 00:20:28,500 - [Evanda] Yeah. - [Judge Judy] How much was the flooring? 487 00:20:28,567 --> 00:20:30,834 - Three, four hundred dollars. - It's not looking good for you... 488 00:20:30,900 --> 00:20:31,900 - [Al] Your Honor. - ...you understand that? 489 00:20:34,166 --> 00:20:37,133 If you would have said that you can evict her for being a nuisance, 490 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:38,333 put it in here! 491 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,633 - That's the basis for your eviction. - At the--at the--at the time, 492 00:20:40,700 --> 00:20:43,100 - I needed the house to live in. - No, that's baloney because... 493 00:20:43,166 --> 00:20:44,233 - [Al] No, it's not baloney. It's... - That's... 494 00:20:44,300 --> 00:20:46,066 No, it's not. And I opened the door, and I couldn't believe... 495 00:20:46,133 --> 00:20:47,233 - [Judge Judy] That... - ...what I'm seeing. 496 00:20:47,300 --> 00:20:48,867 - Yeah. That's, that's such baloney. - [Al] Okay. 497 00:20:53,266 --> 00:20:56,266 [theme music playing] 498 00:20:59,934 --> 00:21:03,233 [announcer] Eva Traeger claims her former landlord, 499 00:21:03,300 --> 00:21:07,734 Al Ramsay, owes for remodeling services she did to his property. 500 00:21:09,066 --> 00:21:10,834 - [Al] Your Honor... - It's not looking good for you. 501 00:21:10,900 --> 00:21:11,767 - [Al] Your Honor... - You understand that? 502 00:21:11,834 --> 00:21:14,166 ...I also gave her workers' money, but I know that doesn't--I, 503 00:21:14,233 --> 00:21:16,100 - I shouldn't have got... - [Judge Judy] No, no, no, no, no. 504 00:21:16,166 --> 00:21:18,767 I just wanna see where she gets $5,000 from. 505 00:21:18,834 --> 00:21:21,467 She's living rent-free on your property 506 00:21:21,533 --> 00:21:24,533 with 11 horses and doing business there. 507 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,667 - No, I didn't do business there. - [Judge Judy] Of course you did. 508 00:21:26,734 --> 00:21:28,233 - You kept your horses there. - Oh. 509 00:21:28,300 --> 00:21:30,834 And she kept--she, she ate all my alfalfa. 510 00:21:30,900 --> 00:21:31,734 [Judge Judy] Just a second. 511 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,166 May have done that too, the horses have to eat. 512 00:21:34,233 --> 00:21:35,567 - But it was my alfalfa. - [Judge Judy] Mr. Ramsay-- 513 00:21:35,633 --> 00:21:37,367 Mr. Ramsay, I told her. 514 00:21:37,433 --> 00:21:40,567 It's not going well for her. Right now, you're living rent-free, 515 00:21:40,633 --> 00:21:43,867 you're boarding 11 horses free, you're continuing to do your business. 516 00:21:43,934 --> 00:21:46,367 I wasn't sure about all these little tiny receipts, 517 00:21:46,433 --> 00:21:50,100 but some of them--the only big one is from Habitat for Humanity, 518 00:21:50,166 --> 00:21:53,900 and that went--which you gave me as something that you paid for. 519 00:21:53,967 --> 00:21:57,600 - You didn't. He did. - No, I, I paid. He has his own receipt. 520 00:21:57,667 --> 00:21:58,900 - No. - That was mine. 521 00:21:58,967 --> 00:22:01,567 - [Judge Judy] No. I don't believe that. - So these all added, 522 00:22:01,633 --> 00:22:05,800 uh, come to $1,354 and 44 cents. 523 00:22:05,867 --> 00:22:07,266 - [Judge Judy] Okay. Thank you. - Uh-hmm. 524 00:22:07,333 --> 00:22:10,000 And I have from Mr. Ramsay, 525 00:22:10,066 --> 00:22:14,300 a payment to you in the amount of $300. 526 00:22:14,367 --> 00:22:18,133 So that leaves a thousand dollars that you spent in materials 527 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,934 for which you say you were not compensated, right? 528 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:22,533 - Yes. - [Judge Judy] Now, Mr. Ramsay. 529 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:23,433 [Al] Yes, Your Honor. 530 00:22:23,500 --> 00:22:24,633 [Judge Judy] I don't care about her labor 531 00:22:24,700 --> 00:22:26,066 or her workers 'cause you said 532 00:22:26,133 --> 00:22:29,200 you paid the workers and she has no proof to the contrary. 533 00:22:29,266 --> 00:22:31,467 [Evanda] He doesn't. He hasn't paid, I have it right here. 534 00:22:31,533 --> 00:22:34,533 - Hasn't paid what? - He hasn't paid the laborers. Uh... 535 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,000 [Judge Judy] Oh, they should sue him. 536 00:22:36,066 --> 00:22:37,700 - Did you pay the laborers? - [Al] Yes, Your Honor. 537 00:22:37,767 --> 00:22:39,433 - How much? - Three, four hundred dollars. 538 00:22:39,500 --> 00:22:42,367 I don't know, I--it was a couple different guys, and--in there. 539 00:22:42,433 --> 00:22:43,667 - [Judge Judy] It's a slippery... - All the work they did, 540 00:22:43,734 --> 00:22:44,834 - it was like the little rascals... - [Judge Judy] Hmm? 541 00:22:44,900 --> 00:22:45,900 ...did it, I had to redo everything. 542 00:22:45,967 --> 00:22:48,133 [Judge Judy] You know, you're too slick, Mr. Ramsay. 543 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:49,367 - Oh, gosh. - [Judge Judy] Really. 544 00:22:49,433 --> 00:22:52,567 You have to be orderly and honest. 545 00:22:52,633 --> 00:22:53,633 [Al] I'm honest, Your Honor. 546 00:22:53,700 --> 00:22:55,533 Yeah. Well... 547 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:56,600 Honest. 548 00:22:57,433 --> 00:22:58,333 I'm honest, honest. 549 00:22:58,400 --> 00:22:59,900 That's, that's... 550 00:22:59,967 --> 00:23:00,900 That's what? 551 00:23:00,967 --> 00:23:03,266 [Al] If I could really tell you, well, I mean, uh, you know, 552 00:23:03,333 --> 00:23:06,867 is it--is it legal for her to bring motorhomes on my ranch... 553 00:23:06,934 --> 00:23:08,066 - [Judge Judy] No. - ...and have people live in them? 554 00:23:08,133 --> 00:23:09,333 - Is that... - Absolutely not. 555 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:10,767 [Al] And, and, and then when I told her to do something about it, 556 00:23:10,834 --> 00:23:11,900 she doesn't do anything about it? 557 00:23:11,967 --> 00:23:13,967 [Judge Judy] Just a second. It's absolutely not, Mr. Ramsay. 558 00:23:14,033 --> 00:23:16,066 - [Al] Okay. Then what do you do? - [Judge Judy] It's absolutely not. 559 00:23:16,133 --> 00:23:19,333 - The answer is, I don't know what you do. - [Al] I mean, you're a judge. 560 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,734 - Can't you tell me what you would do? - [Judge Judy] Mr. Ramsay, 561 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,133 the problem with everyone who chooses to be a landlord, 562 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,033 - especially now... - Yes. 563 00:23:27,100 --> 00:23:29,233 [Judge Judy] ...is that they're in a vise. 564 00:23:29,300 --> 00:23:31,934 They're told they can't evict anybody and some people-- 565 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,500 well, it was, the moratorium is over, but there was a moratorium. 566 00:23:35,567 --> 00:23:38,867 But during COVID, you couldn't evict her because she was a nuisance. 567 00:23:38,934 --> 00:23:40,300 - That's not true in Stanislaus county. - [Judge Judy] Then-- 568 00:23:40,367 --> 00:23:41,900 - well... - [Al] That's not... 569 00:23:41,967 --> 00:23:44,700 ...then, then you should have alleged it in your paper. 570 00:23:44,767 --> 00:23:46,233 - Mr. Ramsay... - [Al] She... 571 00:23:46,300 --> 00:23:50,767 ...your paper tried to use God's two ears and one mouth. 572 00:23:50,834 --> 00:23:54,233 Listen, if you would have said not in Stanislaus County, 573 00:23:54,300 --> 00:23:57,400 that you could evict her for being a nuisance, put it in here! 574 00:23:57,467 --> 00:23:58,633 - That's the basis... - At the--at the... 575 00:23:58,700 --> 00:23:59,700 - ...for your eviction. - ...at the time, 576 00:23:59,767 --> 00:24:01,066 I needed the house to live in. 577 00:24:01,133 --> 00:24:02,667 - [Judge Judy] Now that's baloney. It's... - No, it's not baloney. 578 00:24:02,734 --> 00:24:04,200 - [Judge Judy] That's... - No, it's not. 579 00:24:04,266 --> 00:24:05,166 And I opened the door and I couldn't believe... 580 00:24:05,233 --> 00:24:06,066 - [Judge Judy] That... - ...what I was seeing. 581 00:24:06,133 --> 00:24:07,700 - Yeah. That's, that's such baloney. - [Al] Okay. 582 00:24:07,767 --> 00:24:10,233 Yeah. That's baloney, Mr. Ramsay, and I don't believe you. 583 00:24:10,300 --> 00:24:12,400 So far, you have a thousand dollars' worth of material 584 00:24:12,467 --> 00:24:14,433 that you're entitled to, madam, period. 585 00:24:14,500 --> 00:24:18,433 You lived there for six weeks with your eleven horses and paid nothing, 586 00:24:18,500 --> 00:24:20,367 so consider this thousand dollars a gift, 587 00:24:20,433 --> 00:24:21,700 - do you understand? - Yes. 588 00:24:21,767 --> 00:24:24,033 [Judge Judy] Judgment for the plaintiff for the amount of a thousand dollars. 589 00:24:24,100 --> 00:24:26,667 Court is adjourned. 590 00:24:26,734 --> 00:24:29,166 - Uh, it was pretty bad. - The place was deplorable. 591 00:24:29,233 --> 00:24:31,967 When I moved in, I maintained it the whole time I lived there. 592 00:24:32,033 --> 00:24:35,100 - The house is full of cockroaches. - The roaches, you can't get rid of. 593 00:24:35,166 --> 00:24:38,600 They come from up--underneath the house because we live next to a dairy. 594 00:24:38,667 --> 00:24:41,667 Full of mice. I, I couldn't even go in there. 595 00:24:41,734 --> 00:24:43,667 I wanted--I didn't want anything to do with the house. 596 00:24:43,734 --> 00:24:46,400 The mice, it's something you have to live with on a farm, 597 00:24:46,467 --> 00:24:47,934 but the house was beautiful when I left it. 598 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,567 I have photographs, it was perfectly clean, 599 00:24:49,633 --> 00:24:50,600 you could have moved into it. 600 00:24:50,667 --> 00:24:52,633 It's still vacant, just needed work done. 601 00:24:52,700 --> 00:24:54,600 He lies about everything he says. 602 00:24:54,667 --> 00:24:57,500 He said that he was gonna move into the house, he had her move in, 603 00:24:57,567 --> 00:25:01,133 he was already moving trailers in before she even left again. 604 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,633 (scoffs) Oh, gosh. No. 605 00:25:03,700 --> 00:25:05,900 They never even looked at why I wanted the house back. 606 00:25:05,967 --> 00:25:08,467 He just continues with lies down the road, all the way. 607 00:25:08,533 --> 00:25:12,000 - To live in. - I--redid his whole house for nothing. 608 00:25:12,066 --> 00:25:15,500 No, I didn't like the work. Just--I had to redo everything. 609 00:25:15,567 --> 00:25:18,967 Because I was supposed to live in the house and he wasn't doing the work. 610 00:25:19,033 --> 00:25:22,400 No, I just said to her it's not gonna work out and she just left. 611 00:25:22,467 --> 00:25:25,367 And I was living nowhere. 612 00:25:25,433 --> 00:25:26,533 Don't do it. 613 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,333 [Judge Judy] You know, I see cases like this and I think about balance. 614 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,066 - Uh-hmm. - [Judge Judy] And the law 615 00:25:32,133 --> 00:25:36,233 has displayed a sympathy for those people who, by virtue of COVID, 616 00:25:36,300 --> 00:25:39,000 could work, and despite stimulus, 617 00:25:39,066 --> 00:25:40,467 - are still not paying rent... - Uh-hmm. 618 00:25:40,533 --> 00:25:42,300 ...'cause they needed the money for other things. 619 00:25:42,367 --> 00:25:44,433 I have a great deal of sympathy for landlords 620 00:25:44,500 --> 00:25:45,734 because that's their business. 621 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,133 It's like bringing somebody in, Sarah. (chuckles) 622 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,900 It's like saying, "Sarah, you gonna be the law clerk. 623 00:25:50,967 --> 00:25:53,700 But, we're not gonna pay you 'cause it's COVID." 624 00:25:53,767 --> 00:25:56,467 Your reaction to that would be? 625 00:25:56,533 --> 00:26:00,200 It's a tough spot to put both parties in, I can sympathize with both sides. 626 00:26:00,266 --> 00:26:03,300 I just think that COVID had an impact on every business, 627 00:26:03,367 --> 00:26:07,133 you know, on rent, on custody, on evictions, everything. 628 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,200 So I think that both sides are in a tough spot, 629 00:26:09,266 --> 00:26:12,867 but you still have to act accordingly, and you can't lie to the court, 630 00:26:12,934 --> 00:26:16,333 you can't submit fraudulent papers just because you're in a tough spot 631 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:17,834 along with everybody else, 632 00:26:17,900 --> 00:26:20,567 doesn't give you the right to then do the wrong thing. 633 00:26:20,633 --> 00:26:21,734 Perpetrate a fraud on the court. 634 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,400 - That was his problem. - Uh-hmm. 635 00:26:23,467 --> 00:26:25,967 [Judge Judy] Isn't it interesting that a whole industry, 636 00:26:26,033 --> 00:26:29,066 - there are eviction practitioners. - Uh-hmm. 637 00:26:29,133 --> 00:26:32,000 [Judge Judy] And it's so interesting that these eviction practitioners 638 00:26:32,066 --> 00:26:37,133 who actually have to be scrutinized will say to somebody like this man 639 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:38,433 who says she's a nuisance. 640 00:26:38,500 --> 00:26:42,367 She moved other people onto the property, and--which I probably believe... 641 00:26:42,433 --> 00:26:44,367 - Uh-hmm. - ...is true, 'cause it's 40 acres, 642 00:26:44,433 --> 00:26:46,000 and she'll say to a friend, you know, 643 00:26:46,066 --> 00:26:47,934 "You can move in your RV there and stay there," 644 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,300 so the place was a mess. 645 00:26:49,367 --> 00:26:51,000 - But he couldn't evict her. - For that reason. 646 00:26:51,066 --> 00:26:52,834 [Judge Judy] For that reason. At all. 647 00:26:52,900 --> 00:26:57,233 So it was ordered to the least difficult allegation 648 00:26:57,300 --> 00:26:59,934 to prove and the one that is foolproof. 649 00:27:00,066 --> 00:27:01,900 - And a loophole. - [Judge Judy] And a loophole. 650 00:27:01,967 --> 00:27:03,166 Yeah. And a loophole. 651 00:27:03,233 --> 00:27:06,667 - So, for that, you can't reward him. - Uh-hmm. I agree. 652 00:27:06,734 --> 00:27:07,900 So he got punished. 653 00:27:07,967 --> 00:27:12,033 But this lady had sort of a free place to live for a month 654 00:27:12,100 --> 00:27:16,233 and a half with--along with her eleven horses and six dogs, so. 655 00:27:16,300 --> 00:27:18,934 - Her materials, she was entitled to... - Uh-hmm. 656 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,200 ...for nothing else. 657 00:27:20,266 --> 00:27:21,266 I think we did a good job. 658 00:27:21,333 --> 00:27:22,400 Yeah. I agree. 659 00:27:24,100 --> 00:27:27,333 [announcer] Want justice? 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