1 00:00:00,033 --> 00:00:01,533 You claim she assaulted you. 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:04,133 She hit me first, Your Honor. 3 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:07,000 She kicked me and I almost got hit by a car, Your Honor. 4 00:00:07,066 --> 00:00:10,433 She approached me to my vehicle, she was calling me names, 5 00:00:10,500 --> 00:00:11,934 and she wanted to fight me. 6 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:13,300 And then you got out of the car? 7 00:00:13,367 --> 00:00:14,767 I didn't do anything wrong. 8 00:00:14,834 --> 00:00:17,133 When I walked up to her, I defended myself. 9 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:20,166 -[laughing] -[narrator] This is Judy Justice. 10 00:00:20,233 --> 00:00:22,834 [theme music playing] 11 00:00:37,367 --> 00:00:41,033 [narrator] Caryn Casas is suing car buyer, Destiny Jones, 12 00:00:41,100 --> 00:00:45,233 for impound fees, parking tickets, and an assault. 13 00:00:45,767 --> 00:00:47,967 [Kevin] Court come to order. All rise. 14 00:00:50,033 --> 00:00:51,300 [Judy] Have a seat, please. 15 00:00:52,934 --> 00:00:55,600 Judge, case 4018, Casas versus Jones. 16 00:00:55,667 --> 00:00:57,166 -Thank you. -You're welcome. 17 00:00:58,500 --> 00:01:01,500 Ms. Casas, you sold the defendant an old car. 18 00:01:01,567 --> 00:01:02,400 Yes. 19 00:01:02,467 --> 00:01:04,367 And you claim that as a result 20 00:01:04,432 --> 00:01:07,333 of her not following through with your agreement, 21 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,500 which was to register the car immediately, 22 00:01:10,567 --> 00:01:13,734 she accumulated tickets, the car became impounded, 23 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,033 you had to go and get the car out of impound. 24 00:01:16,100 --> 00:01:18,000 You had to do that twice. 25 00:01:18,066 --> 00:01:20,333 Ultimately you repossessed it, she took it back. 26 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:25,066 All of this resulted in expenses for you that far exceed the value of the car. 27 00:01:25,133 --> 00:01:26,467 Yes. 28 00:01:26,533 --> 00:01:29,567 The defendant Ms. Jones, says she purchased a car from you. 29 00:01:29,633 --> 00:01:32,866 She paid you $1,600 for the car? 30 00:01:32,934 --> 00:01:37,166 -It was a 2007... -Seven. Um, Hyundai Tucson. 31 00:01:37,233 --> 00:01:41,100 Now, when you sold her the car-- On what date? 32 00:01:41,166 --> 00:01:44,300 Um, I sold her the car on February 1st, 2024. 33 00:01:44,366 --> 00:01:46,433 -What date? -The 25th of February. 34 00:01:46,500 --> 00:01:48,633 No, that's not true. I have evidence. 35 00:01:48,700 --> 00:01:50,667 I have it right her-- Excuse me, Your Honor, I have-- 36 00:01:50,734 --> 00:01:54,800 Shh! Show me what you have to demonstrate 37 00:01:54,866 --> 00:01:57,866 that the car was sold on February 1st. 38 00:01:57,934 --> 00:02:00,266 And you can show me what you have 39 00:02:00,333 --> 00:02:04,433 that establishes the car was sold on February 25th. 40 00:02:13,533 --> 00:02:15,767 [Judy] What's this $200 finder's fee? 41 00:02:15,834 --> 00:02:18,066 My cousin charged us both $100 each 42 00:02:18,133 --> 00:02:21,800 for connecting us together and her selling the car to me. 43 00:02:21,867 --> 00:02:25,000 So I paid her that the date of purchasing the vehicle. 44 00:02:25,066 --> 00:02:27,266 Well, I don't know whether you did or whether you didn't. 45 00:02:27,333 --> 00:02:31,066 And then the transaction fee. Sorry. On the other page. 46 00:02:32,033 --> 00:02:36,567 Well, I have your release of liability, but that's in May. 47 00:02:36,667 --> 00:02:40,433 But it says on the date over there, um, the date that I sold her the car. 48 00:02:40,500 --> 00:02:42,133 -Well, you put the date? -Yes. 49 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:43,367 -You put the date in. -Yeah. 50 00:02:43,433 --> 00:02:45,166 Why would I do that if I was lying, you know? 51 00:02:45,233 --> 00:02:47,266 -I don't know because you didn't remember. -I remember-- 52 00:02:47,333 --> 00:02:50,700 But you put the date in. This doesn't have anything that suggests 53 00:02:50,767 --> 00:02:54,734 that it was the beginning of February as opposed to February 25th. 54 00:02:54,834 --> 00:02:58,600 You got a release of liability of the car on May 1st. 55 00:02:58,667 --> 00:03:01,934 -Yes, well, I-- May I, Your Honor? -No, not yet. 56 00:03:02,834 --> 00:03:06,700 Had the car been registered at the time that you sold it? 57 00:03:06,767 --> 00:03:08,700 Yes, it was registered to me, Your Honor. 58 00:03:08,767 --> 00:03:10,834 I have the registration if you'd like to see it. 59 00:03:10,900 --> 00:03:13,400 I just want to know, when you sell a car-- 60 00:03:13,467 --> 00:03:14,967 -You live in California. -Yes. 61 00:03:15,033 --> 00:03:18,533 When you sell a car in California, you have to have, along with the title, 62 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:22,300 you have to give a smog test that's valid within the last 90 days. 63 00:03:22,367 --> 00:03:23,266 Did you have that? 64 00:03:23,333 --> 00:03:25,400 -Yes, I do. Yes. -I'd like to see it. 65 00:03:35,433 --> 00:03:40,100 This car was smogged 11/24/2023. 66 00:03:41,133 --> 00:03:43,200 Why couldn't you register the car? 67 00:03:43,266 --> 00:03:48,100 When I went to register the car, the car needed to be smogged. 68 00:03:48,166 --> 00:03:52,367 I have my title saying that it's a temporary registration. 69 00:03:52,966 --> 00:03:56,600 She didn't provide me the smog certificate when I purchased the car off of her. 70 00:03:56,667 --> 00:03:58,000 She never asked me for it, 71 00:03:58,066 --> 00:03:59,900 I would've gave it to her if she would've asked me. 72 00:03:59,966 --> 00:04:01,500 Well, that's a problem. 73 00:04:01,967 --> 00:04:03,033 I understand, Your Honor. 74 00:04:03,100 --> 00:04:05,500 Because you have to provide this... 75 00:04:05,567 --> 00:04:09,066 Um, this is my first time with selling a car, I haven't experienced, so-- 76 00:04:09,133 --> 00:04:12,000 But I held on to it, and I do know that now, Your Honor, 77 00:04:12,066 --> 00:04:14,000 -so I do understand I was wrong. -[Judy] Okay... 78 00:04:14,066 --> 00:04:17,767 So, she couldn't register the car without a smog test 79 00:04:17,834 --> 00:04:19,733 unless you had it re-tested. 80 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,900 But when you purchased the car from her sometime in mid-February, 81 00:04:24,367 --> 00:04:27,967 when you purchased the car from her, she did in fact give you the title. 82 00:04:28,033 --> 00:04:29,767 She gave me the title two days after 83 00:04:29,834 --> 00:04:32,166 because we were supposed to meet at the DMV. 84 00:04:32,233 --> 00:04:34,033 -Which she never did because... -[Judy] Shh. 85 00:04:34,100 --> 00:04:36,900 -Just a second, she gave you the title? -[Destiny] Yes. 86 00:04:36,967 --> 00:04:40,567 -On what date? -She gave me the title on the 27th. 87 00:04:40,633 --> 00:04:43,933 Okay, so now you have the title. 88 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:45,900 -Mm-hm. -And now it's up to you 89 00:04:45,967 --> 00:04:47,867 to get the car smogged. 90 00:04:47,933 --> 00:04:48,967 Do you work? 91 00:04:49,033 --> 00:04:51,233 -At the moment? No. -No, not at the moment... 92 00:04:51,300 --> 00:04:52,300 -No. -...then. 93 00:04:52,367 --> 00:04:54,066 Then, no. 94 00:04:54,133 --> 00:04:55,600 What did you need a car for? 95 00:04:55,667 --> 00:04:58,633 To see my daughter. She lives in Whittier and I live in South Central. 96 00:04:58,700 --> 00:05:04,433 Between February 27th and May 1st, did you see your daughter? 97 00:05:04,500 --> 00:05:06,266 -Mm-hm. -"Uh-huh" is not an answer. 98 00:05:06,333 --> 00:05:07,166 Yes, I did. 99 00:05:07,233 --> 00:05:09,100 -And you drove there. -Yes, I did. 100 00:05:09,166 --> 00:05:11,400 And you drove there in her car? 101 00:05:12,467 --> 00:05:14,667 -That would be a yes. -No, I drove there in my car. 102 00:05:14,734 --> 00:05:17,767 Well, you drove there in a car that you had purchased from her, 103 00:05:17,834 --> 00:05:20,834 but didn't complete your contract with her. 104 00:05:20,900 --> 00:05:25,100 You drove a car where she had given you the title to the car 105 00:05:25,166 --> 00:05:28,567 so that you had the ability to register it. 106 00:05:28,967 --> 00:05:30,500 You just had to do a little more work. 107 00:05:30,967 --> 00:05:33,767 So it's not that you didn't have use of a car. 108 00:05:33,834 --> 00:05:37,200 You had use of a car, but she had all the liability 109 00:05:37,266 --> 00:05:39,400 because it was still in her name. 110 00:05:39,467 --> 00:05:42,400 You're smart enough to understand that, right? 111 00:05:43,767 --> 00:05:47,300 You're smart enough to understand that if the car is still in her name, 112 00:05:47,367 --> 00:05:53,266 then she will be responsible for parking tickets or moving tickets 113 00:05:53,332 --> 00:05:54,834 that you get for the car. 114 00:05:55,400 --> 00:06:00,367 Because her name is still the registered owner of that car. 115 00:06:00,767 --> 00:06:02,033 -Right? -[Destiny] Yes. 116 00:06:02,100 --> 00:06:03,300 Great. 117 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:10,567 I approached her, and she was already coming out all crazy at me, 118 00:06:10,633 --> 00:06:13,567 and she pushed me in the street and I almost got hit by a car, Your Honor. 119 00:06:13,633 --> 00:06:16,834 I didn't do anything wrong. If she would have provided me the smog certificate, 120 00:06:16,900 --> 00:06:18,567 then none of this would even be happening. 121 00:06:18,633 --> 00:06:21,900 [laughing] 122 00:06:23,300 --> 00:06:26,000 [theme music playing] 123 00:06:29,433 --> 00:06:33,734 [narrator] Caryn Casas claims car buyer, Destiny Jones, 124 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:37,066 purchased her car and never transferred the title, 125 00:06:37,133 --> 00:06:40,567 causing Caryn to receive parking tickets in her name. 126 00:06:40,633 --> 00:06:45,834 Now I'd like you to show me tickets that accumulated on the car 127 00:06:45,900 --> 00:06:49,867 between, let's say, the third week in February 128 00:06:50,633 --> 00:06:55,100 and May 1st when you finally removed yourself from libel for the car. 129 00:06:55,166 --> 00:06:56,400 Your Honor? 130 00:06:57,533 --> 00:06:59,933 I don't need to speak to you. Yet. 131 00:07:02,066 --> 00:07:07,567 Okay, so here's one parking ticket that's on the 26th of February. 132 00:07:07,633 --> 00:07:10,400 So 26th, according to you, you had the car. 133 00:07:10,467 --> 00:07:11,300 Mm-hm. 134 00:07:11,367 --> 00:07:12,800 So this is your ticket. 135 00:07:12,867 --> 00:07:14,734 -Okay, that's fine, yes. -Did you pay it? 136 00:07:15,934 --> 00:07:17,734 You got it-- Listen to me... 137 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:18,800 [Destiny] I didn't receive-- 138 00:07:18,867 --> 00:07:21,332 No, no, no, no, no, that's baloney. 139 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,367 You got it because it wasn't a moving ticket. 140 00:07:24,433 --> 00:07:28,467 You parked on the street where it was no parking, street cleaning. 141 00:07:28,533 --> 00:07:33,266 So when you got back to the car, there was a ticket which you took and discarded. 142 00:07:35,734 --> 00:07:39,233 Okay, and here you were double-parking in March. 143 00:07:39,300 --> 00:07:43,166 Uh, who is at... street? 144 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:44,800 [Destiny] I live on... 145 00:07:45,633 --> 00:07:47,933 Well then, what were you double-parking for? 146 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,734 I live in South Central and the apartment complex I moved into 147 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,800 doesn't have a parking lot for their tenants, 148 00:07:54,867 --> 00:07:56,467 and the parking is really, really bad there. 149 00:07:56,533 --> 00:07:58,633 I have pictures of the streets, in the middle of the day-- 150 00:07:58,700 --> 00:08:00,400 Who cares? What does that have to do with her? 151 00:08:00,467 --> 00:08:03,367 You get a parking ticket because you double-parked your car, 152 00:08:03,433 --> 00:08:04,667 then you pay it. 153 00:08:04,734 --> 00:08:07,500 You Honor, if she would have provided me the smog certificate 154 00:08:07,567 --> 00:08:10,667 when she sold me the vehicle, then nothing would have been in her name. 155 00:08:10,734 --> 00:08:13,433 Listen to me shoulda, woulda, coulda, what does that have to do with you 156 00:08:13,500 --> 00:08:17,600 double-parking the car? You were driving it. Duh! 157 00:08:17,667 --> 00:08:22,066 You were driving the car, you were violating the rules 158 00:08:22,133 --> 00:08:24,233 by not parking it in the right place. 159 00:08:24,300 --> 00:08:26,700 What does that have to do with smog? 160 00:08:26,767 --> 00:08:28,000 Explain it to me. 161 00:08:28,066 --> 00:08:29,567 Maybe I'm stupid. 162 00:08:29,633 --> 00:08:33,033 What does the fact that you didn't get a smog receipt 163 00:08:33,100 --> 00:08:35,433 have to do with you violating the law, 164 00:08:35,500 --> 00:08:39,700 getting tickets and not paying them in a car that you were using? 165 00:08:40,033 --> 00:08:43,232 Can you explain that to me? No. You can't. Okay, good. 166 00:08:44,165 --> 00:08:45,900 Not as dumb as I thought. 167 00:08:46,900 --> 00:08:48,133 [Judy sighs] 168 00:08:48,934 --> 00:08:51,900 Okay, so you were getting these-- There are two parking tickets, is that right? 169 00:08:51,967 --> 00:08:53,066 -Yes. -Okay. 170 00:08:53,133 --> 00:08:55,734 And you sort of got fed up with the two parking tickets 171 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,500 so you tried to contact her. That didn't work out. 172 00:08:58,567 --> 00:09:00,734 So I reported the car stolen because I-- 173 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:02,400 I understand. That's where I'm getting to. 174 00:09:02,467 --> 00:09:04,600 -Okay. -But the car was not stolen. 175 00:09:04,667 --> 00:09:06,667 So you know that that's not the right thing to do. 176 00:09:06,734 --> 00:09:09,567 It wasn't stolen. She had paid you for the car. 177 00:09:09,633 --> 00:09:11,767 -Your Honor-- -You had turned over the title to the car. 178 00:09:11,834 --> 00:09:13,567 The car wasn't stolen, madam. 179 00:09:13,633 --> 00:09:15,467 -[Caryn] May I, Your Honor? -Sure. 180 00:09:15,533 --> 00:09:19,333 Okay, so upon selling her the car, when she gave me the money, 181 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,266 I told her-- We had a verbal agreement and I said, 182 00:09:21,333 --> 00:09:23,700 "If you don't take me to the DMV tomorrow 183 00:09:23,767 --> 00:09:25,767 because I do not want to be liable for anything, 184 00:09:25,834 --> 00:09:29,533 I can give you the money back, this goes-- All bets are out the door, okay?" 185 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,734 We had a verbal agreement, she knew that, and she never came. 186 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:37,500 What does that have to do with you reporting to the police? 187 00:09:37,567 --> 00:09:38,867 She wasn't answering her phone, 188 00:09:38,934 --> 00:09:41,066 I had started getting tickets in the mail already, 189 00:09:41,133 --> 00:09:44,300 and so when I was trying to contact her, she wasn't answering my phone calls. 190 00:09:44,367 --> 00:09:48,033 So I figured if I got her attention by reporting the car stolen 191 00:09:48,100 --> 00:09:50,066 that she would then see, "Maybe I should transfer 192 00:09:50,133 --> 00:09:52,233 -the title to her name?" -I just want to tell you something. 193 00:09:52,300 --> 00:09:57,367 It's expedient, but when you falsely report an incident, 194 00:09:57,433 --> 00:10:01,400 which is what you did, you falsely reported a crime. 195 00:10:01,467 --> 00:10:04,667 -Yes, Your Honor. -Not a breach of some civil contract. 196 00:10:04,734 --> 00:10:07,066 -[Caryn] That's how-- -But you falsely reported a crime. 197 00:10:07,133 --> 00:10:09,200 That is a crime. 198 00:10:09,266 --> 00:10:10,734 -I understand, Your Honor. -Okay. 199 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:12,500 I just want you to understand that. 200 00:10:12,567 --> 00:10:16,533 That people can't do that and sort of resort to... 201 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,100 Because it's expedient. 202 00:10:19,166 --> 00:10:22,033 Well, report it stolen and that way the police will get involved 203 00:10:22,100 --> 00:10:23,567 and that way it'll get her attention. 204 00:10:23,633 --> 00:10:25,433 That's not what the police are there for, 205 00:10:25,500 --> 00:10:28,567 the police are there to take care of crimes, this is not one. 206 00:10:28,633 --> 00:10:30,333 -Just letting you know. -Okay. 207 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,266 Okay. Now, then the car was impounded. 208 00:10:33,333 --> 00:10:34,233 Yes, Your Honor. 209 00:10:34,300 --> 00:10:36,165 Why was the car impounded? 210 00:10:36,233 --> 00:10:37,667 Because she reported it stolen. 211 00:10:37,734 --> 00:10:40,367 And is that when you had to retrieve the car? 212 00:10:40,433 --> 00:10:41,700 -Yes, so I-- -Just a second. 213 00:10:41,767 --> 00:10:43,867 -Then you had to retrieve the car. -Yes, ma'am. 214 00:10:43,934 --> 00:10:46,233 Because you reported it stolen and they picked it up. 215 00:10:46,300 --> 00:10:47,600 And how much was that? 216 00:10:47,667 --> 00:10:50,100 -It was $900 the first time. -Okay. 217 00:10:50,165 --> 00:10:51,934 So that you don't get back 218 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,033 because you don't get rewarded for committing a crime. 219 00:10:55,100 --> 00:10:56,066 I understand, Your Honor. 220 00:10:56,133 --> 00:10:57,467 -Okay? -Okay. 221 00:10:57,533 --> 00:10:59,734 Now, the car was impounded a second time 222 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:01,400 because you took the car back. 223 00:11:02,166 --> 00:11:03,233 Did you get the car back? 224 00:11:03,300 --> 00:11:04,834 -Yeah, the day-- -Shh! 225 00:11:04,900 --> 00:11:06,767 -Did you get the car back? -Yes. 226 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:08,367 On what date? 227 00:11:08,433 --> 00:11:10,166 On April 2nd. 228 00:11:10,233 --> 00:11:12,066 How did you get the car back? 229 00:11:12,133 --> 00:11:13,867 Caryn told me it was at her father's house. 230 00:11:13,934 --> 00:11:15,100 That's not true. 231 00:11:15,166 --> 00:11:17,600 You got the car back on April 2nd. 232 00:11:17,667 --> 00:11:19,767 -Mm-hm. -"Uh-huh" is not an answer. 233 00:11:19,834 --> 00:11:21,100 "Yes" is an answer. 234 00:11:21,500 --> 00:11:24,133 -Was the car impounded again? -Yes. 235 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:25,200 On what date? 236 00:11:25,266 --> 00:11:26,233 May 20th. 237 00:11:26,300 --> 00:11:27,233 For what? 238 00:11:27,300 --> 00:11:29,533 For allegedly blocking a driveway. 239 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,166 Blocking a driveway where? 240 00:11:31,233 --> 00:11:33,600 On the block-- The street I live on. 241 00:11:33,667 --> 00:11:36,500 Okay. Where's the car now? 242 00:11:36,567 --> 00:11:37,967 I have it. It's outside. 243 00:11:38,033 --> 00:11:39,667 Is it now registered in your name? 244 00:11:39,734 --> 00:11:41,600 -The car-- I registered the car-- -Shh! 245 00:11:41,667 --> 00:11:43,200 -That's either yes or no. -Yes. 246 00:11:43,266 --> 00:11:46,266 -On what date? -April 2nd. 247 00:11:46,333 --> 00:11:47,367 I have the evidence. 248 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,433 May I see the registration for the car, please? 249 00:11:58,667 --> 00:12:03,166 Okay, so as of the beginning of April, the car is registered in her name. 250 00:12:03,734 --> 00:12:08,000 Now, the car was towed a second time on what date? 251 00:12:08,066 --> 00:12:11,600 They retrieved it on 5/20/2024, 252 00:12:11,667 --> 00:12:13,867 and it was also in the impound for 19 days. 253 00:12:13,934 --> 00:12:16,400 Well, 5/20, what did you take it out of impound for? 254 00:12:16,467 --> 00:12:19,066 Um, 19 days later, well, because they sent me a letter because I was still 255 00:12:19,133 --> 00:12:20,567 the registered owner at that time. 256 00:12:20,633 --> 00:12:21,967 No, not on May 20th. 257 00:12:22,033 --> 00:12:23,633 But that's what the tow yard people-- 258 00:12:23,700 --> 00:12:24,900 Here, this is from the tow yard. 259 00:12:24,967 --> 00:12:26,400 Well, they're mistaken. 260 00:12:26,467 --> 00:12:30,367 According to this, she registered the car in April. 261 00:12:30,433 --> 00:12:33,567 Well, Your Honor, the tow yard had informed me, 262 00:12:33,633 --> 00:12:36,500 they sent me a letter saying I was still the legal registered owner 263 00:12:36,567 --> 00:12:38,100 and that she was just an interested party. 264 00:12:38,700 --> 00:12:40,533 -What I'm telling you is-- -I believe you. 265 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:42,633 -I just-- -Your problem is, 266 00:12:42,700 --> 00:12:45,200 if the tow company was wrong, 267 00:12:45,266 --> 00:12:50,934 which clearly based upon this which was stamped April 2nd, 268 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:54,900 and if they towed the car because she was double-parked on May 20th, 269 00:12:54,967 --> 00:12:57,533 then the tow company got it wrong. 270 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:58,967 -Yeah, well... -Then you can't sue her, 271 00:12:59,033 --> 00:13:00,467 you sue the tow company. 272 00:13:00,533 --> 00:13:03,100 But she still wasn't able to get it out, Your Honor. 273 00:13:03,166 --> 00:13:05,433 -It was in there for 19 days. -Who cares? Who cares? 274 00:13:05,500 --> 00:13:06,900 It had nothing to do with you anymore. 275 00:13:06,967 --> 00:13:09,166 At that time, I wasn't aware of that. I didn't know that. 276 00:13:09,233 --> 00:13:11,467 -You were aware of it because you-- Shh. -I-- I-- 277 00:13:11,533 --> 00:13:14,700 You were aware of it because in the beginning of May, 278 00:13:14,767 --> 00:13:17,567 you signed a release of liability at Motor Vehicles. 279 00:13:17,633 --> 00:13:20,700 -Yes, I did. -So you were aware of the fact 280 00:13:20,767 --> 00:13:22,600 that a month before-- 281 00:13:22,667 --> 00:13:24,834 Because it was released to you in June. 282 00:13:24,900 --> 00:13:28,500 You were aware of the fact that you had signed this release of liability. 283 00:13:28,567 --> 00:13:30,533 Because you were concerned about her. 284 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:34,734 Okay. I would take this up with the tow company. If I were you, 285 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:36,700 -I'd be more than delighted to hear it... -Okay. 286 00:13:36,767 --> 00:13:39,967 ...if everything is as you indicate. 287 00:13:40,033 --> 00:13:41,800 That the tow company got it wrong. 288 00:13:41,867 --> 00:13:44,867 All they had to do was upgrade their information about this car 289 00:13:44,934 --> 00:13:48,734 and they would have found out that the defendant was the registered owner. 290 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:50,734 And if she wanted to get it out, she'd have to stop 291 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:52,633 blocking other people's driveways. 292 00:13:52,700 --> 00:13:53,934 Okay... 293 00:13:56,533 --> 00:13:57,867 I didn't exchange any names with her, 294 00:13:57,934 --> 00:14:00,367 -she exchanged names with me. -So what did you do? 295 00:14:00,433 --> 00:14:01,867 -I approached her... -You approached her? 296 00:14:01,934 --> 00:14:03,567 ...and then she hit me with the dog leash. 297 00:14:03,633 --> 00:14:05,433 -She did? Well, what were you-- -No, I did not. 298 00:14:05,500 --> 00:14:10,000 Just a second. What were you going to do when you approached her? 299 00:14:10,066 --> 00:14:12,400 Sh! Stop! Stop and think! 300 00:14:15,266 --> 00:14:18,800 [theme music playing] 301 00:14:22,333 --> 00:14:26,667 [narrator] Caryn Casas is accusing car buyer, Destiny Jones, 302 00:14:26,734 --> 00:14:30,100 of purchasing her car and never transferring the title. 303 00:14:30,166 --> 00:14:33,333 Caryn also claims Destiny assaulted her, 304 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,567 but Destiny says it was self-defense. 305 00:14:36,633 --> 00:14:39,467 So who paid these parking tickets? 306 00:14:39,533 --> 00:14:42,100 My friend Bob, he lent me the money. 307 00:14:42,165 --> 00:14:44,967 And he was holding onto the car for me until I was able to pay him back, 308 00:14:45,033 --> 00:14:47,834 -which I did pay him back. -I just want you to show me receipts 309 00:14:47,900 --> 00:14:50,033 that the parking tickets were paid. 310 00:14:50,100 --> 00:14:52,767 Um, my friend Bob's not around right now. 311 00:14:52,834 --> 00:14:55,567 -He's... -Well, then I actually can't help you. 312 00:14:55,967 --> 00:14:59,400 They wouldn't have allowed her to register the car 313 00:14:59,467 --> 00:15:02,600 if there were outstanding parking tickets on it. 314 00:15:02,667 --> 00:15:04,900 So I don't know who paid for the parking tickets, 315 00:15:04,967 --> 00:15:07,734 but you have no proof that you paid for the parking tickets. 316 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:12,300 Okay, now after the car was impounded for the second time, 317 00:15:12,367 --> 00:15:13,967 you claim she assaulted you. 318 00:15:14,033 --> 00:15:16,567 -Yes. -Tell me when and where that happened. 319 00:15:16,633 --> 00:15:19,300 Okay, it was two days after the car had gotten out, 320 00:15:19,367 --> 00:15:21,467 -and, um, she-- -Gotten out of when? 321 00:15:21,533 --> 00:15:23,066 The tow yard. The second time. 322 00:15:23,133 --> 00:15:25,266 -The second time, so that was in June? -Yes. 323 00:15:25,333 --> 00:15:27,567 -June, yes, June 7th. -[Judy] June. Now, 324 00:15:27,633 --> 00:15:30,567 the car was in impound for 19 days. Why? 325 00:15:30,633 --> 00:15:33,400 I was waiting for my, um, program to assist me 326 00:15:33,467 --> 00:15:34,867 with pulling it out of the impound. 327 00:15:34,934 --> 00:15:37,700 I live in a, uh-- With the homeless program. 328 00:15:37,767 --> 00:15:40,033 They help me pay my rent and stuff, so they were gonna assist me 329 00:15:40,100 --> 00:15:41,533 with getting the car out of the impound. 330 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:43,700 -But you didn't. -No, I didn't, she-- 331 00:15:43,767 --> 00:15:46,233 Her and, um, her friend pulled it out of the impound 332 00:15:46,300 --> 00:15:48,033 and I also have a police report. 333 00:15:48,100 --> 00:15:51,467 I filed a police report when I needed to retrieve the vehicle back from him. 334 00:15:51,533 --> 00:15:55,200 Okay, so you found out where the car was and you got it back from her friend. 335 00:15:55,266 --> 00:15:57,000 -Mm-Hm. Yes. -"Uh-huh" is not an answer. 336 00:15:57,066 --> 00:15:58,300 -Sorry. Yes. -"Yes" is an answer. 337 00:15:58,367 --> 00:16:01,600 Okay, and after that, you had a confrontation with her. 338 00:16:01,667 --> 00:16:02,633 Tell me about that. 339 00:16:02,700 --> 00:16:04,867 I was in my vehicle that I bought from her. 340 00:16:04,934 --> 00:16:07,633 She approached me to my vehicle walking towards me, 341 00:16:07,700 --> 00:16:09,433 -and she was calling me names... -That's not true. 342 00:16:09,500 --> 00:16:10,667 ...and she wanted to fight me. 343 00:16:10,734 --> 00:16:11,867 So I walked up to her. 344 00:16:11,934 --> 00:16:14,333 When I walked up to her, she hit me with her dog leash. 345 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:16,166 And then I defended myself. 346 00:16:16,233 --> 00:16:18,934 [Judy] Well, let me ask you this question, we're gonna go back slowly. 347 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,000 According to you, you were sitting in your car. In the driver's seat? 348 00:16:22,066 --> 00:16:23,500 I was in the passenger seat. 349 00:16:23,567 --> 00:16:25,200 In the passenger seat, who was driving? 350 00:16:25,266 --> 00:16:26,967 -My friend. -[Caryn] Who doesn't have a license. 351 00:16:27,033 --> 00:16:28,367 [Judy] Friend-- Shh! 352 00:16:28,867 --> 00:16:30,600 -So, your friend's driving? -Yes. 353 00:16:30,667 --> 00:16:32,500 -And you were in the passenger seat. -Mm-hm. 354 00:16:32,567 --> 00:16:35,567 And she approached you while you were sitting in the passenger seat. 355 00:16:35,633 --> 00:16:37,266 -I got out of the vehicle and I-- -[Judy] Oh! 356 00:16:37,333 --> 00:16:38,567 -A different story. -I believe-- 357 00:16:38,633 --> 00:16:41,567 So she's calling-- Just a second. So she's calling you names. 358 00:16:41,633 --> 00:16:44,233 And instead of staying in the car, you got out of the car. 359 00:16:44,300 --> 00:16:46,734 And then what happened when you got out of the car? 360 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:50,700 -When I walked up to her, she-- -So you walked up to her. 361 00:16:50,767 --> 00:16:52,300 She was already walking to me. 362 00:16:52,367 --> 00:16:56,633 Show me somewhere in the room where she was when you got out of the car. 363 00:16:56,700 --> 00:16:58,834 For instance, I was in the vehicle over here, 364 00:16:58,900 --> 00:17:01,500 and she was over here at this black wall. 365 00:17:01,567 --> 00:17:03,233 -And she was walking to me. -Just a second. 366 00:17:03,300 --> 00:17:06,433 So from there, she's walking and shouting at you? 367 00:17:06,900 --> 00:17:09,532 So she didn't come up to the car window and start screaming at you? 368 00:17:09,599 --> 00:17:11,032 -No. -She was far away 369 00:17:11,099 --> 00:17:13,467 when she allegedly started to call you names. 370 00:17:13,532 --> 00:17:15,300 -Yes. -And then you got out of the car. 371 00:17:15,367 --> 00:17:16,599 -Yes. -And you were exchanging 372 00:17:16,666 --> 00:17:18,567 bad names back and forth? 373 00:17:18,633 --> 00:17:20,066 I didn't exchange any names with her, 374 00:17:20,133 --> 00:17:21,532 -she exchanged names with me. -So what-- 375 00:17:21,599 --> 00:17:22,567 -So what did you do? 376 00:17:22,633 --> 00:17:23,967 -I approached-- -Approached her, and? 377 00:17:24,032 --> 00:17:25,834 And then she hit me with the dog leash. 378 00:17:25,900 --> 00:17:27,200 -She did? -Yes. 379 00:17:27,266 --> 00:17:29,133 -No, Your Honor. -What were you-- Just a second. 380 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,266 What were you going to do when you approached her? 381 00:17:32,333 --> 00:17:34,834 Shh! Stop! Stop and think. 382 00:17:35,166 --> 00:17:39,600 You approached her, and she was clearly close enough 383 00:17:39,667 --> 00:17:43,333 so that, according to you, she could hit you with the dog's leash 384 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,734 and according to you, you weren't saying anything to her. 385 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,700 What did you approach her for? 386 00:17:49,767 --> 00:17:52,500 Well, I wanted to know why she was even doing all of this stuff. 387 00:17:52,567 --> 00:17:54,834 Why she even did all of this to begin with. 388 00:17:54,900 --> 00:17:57,734 I didn't do anything wrong, she failed to provide me the smog certificate 389 00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:59,333 when I purchased the vehicle. 390 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,333 If she would have provided me the smog certificate, 391 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,567 then none of this would even be happening. 392 00:18:03,633 --> 00:18:08,633 [laughing] 393 00:18:08,700 --> 00:18:10,767 That's what I have to deal with, Your Honor. 394 00:18:10,834 --> 00:18:13,467 All right. Tell me your version of what happened 395 00:18:13,533 --> 00:18:15,700 after the car was released the second time. 396 00:18:15,767 --> 00:18:18,433 So by the shelter that I live at in Whittier, 397 00:18:18,500 --> 00:18:22,133 it was off of Greenleaf at a 7-Eleven right there on the corner. 398 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,734 There was video surveillance of it, and, um, 399 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,033 so I-- Okay, so I approached her 400 00:18:27,100 --> 00:18:30,100 and she was already coming out all crazy at me. 401 00:18:30,166 --> 00:18:32,867 And she hit me first, Your Honor, and I told her, 402 00:18:32,934 --> 00:18:34,934 "Let me put my dog down, let me tie my dog up" 403 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,700 'cause I was ready to fight back and defend myself, okay, 404 00:18:38,767 --> 00:18:40,033 and that's the truth, okay? 405 00:18:40,100 --> 00:18:43,300 She wouldn't let me tie my dog up so she continued to assault me 406 00:18:43,367 --> 00:18:44,533 and start hitting me, 407 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,333 so I was just trying to, you know, protect myself, 408 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,600 and I did hit her with the dog leash because that's all I had. 409 00:18:49,667 --> 00:18:51,700 My dog ended up getting stepped on. 410 00:18:51,767 --> 00:18:53,467 And so, when I went to go grab my dog 411 00:18:53,533 --> 00:18:55,567 'cause my attention then went to my dog, 412 00:18:55,633 --> 00:18:58,066 so picked him up and she pushed me in the street, 413 00:18:58,133 --> 00:19:01,433 like, she kicked me and I almost got hit by a car, Your Honor. 414 00:19:01,500 --> 00:19:03,567 -[Judy] Okay. -There is video surveillance of it 415 00:19:03,633 --> 00:19:05,467 -and the 7-Eleven-- -[Judy] I would like to see it. 416 00:19:05,533 --> 00:19:07,433 The 7-Eleven, they told me I had to get a subpoena-- 417 00:19:07,500 --> 00:19:10,567 Don't tell me what they told you. If I don't have it, it doesn't exist. 418 00:19:10,633 --> 00:19:12,000 Do you have a police report? 419 00:19:12,066 --> 00:19:14,066 Um, I couldn't retrieve it in time, Your Honor. 420 00:19:14,133 --> 00:19:15,667 -You don't have a police report? -I don't. 421 00:19:15,734 --> 00:19:19,700 Do you have any medical proof that you saw any facility, 422 00:19:19,767 --> 00:19:22,433 Urgent Care, emergency room? 423 00:19:23,066 --> 00:19:24,600 -The answer is yes or no. -No, Your Honor. 424 00:19:24,667 --> 00:19:26,567 Do you have photographs of your injuries? 425 00:19:26,633 --> 00:19:28,300 -No, Your Honor. -All righty. 426 00:19:28,367 --> 00:19:33,166 So we have A, no proof that you paid the parking tickets. 427 00:19:33,233 --> 00:19:36,367 We have B, a first impound of the car 428 00:19:36,433 --> 00:19:39,266 that happened as a result of you committing a crime 429 00:19:39,333 --> 00:19:41,166 and reporting a stolen vehicle. 430 00:19:41,233 --> 00:19:42,700 -Right? -Yes, Your Honor. 431 00:19:42,767 --> 00:19:45,300 We have a second impound of the car 432 00:19:45,367 --> 00:19:50,600 because the towing company failed to adequately research who owned the car. 433 00:19:50,667 --> 00:19:53,800 So she's not responsible for that, that's the towing company. 434 00:19:53,867 --> 00:19:57,567 And you have no proof of the assault, of any injuries as a result 435 00:19:57,633 --> 00:20:00,066 of this confrontation between the two of you. 436 00:20:00,133 --> 00:20:04,000 No police reports, no video surveillance that you say exists, 437 00:20:04,066 --> 00:20:07,467 and no medical reports because you didn't seek medical attention. 438 00:20:07,533 --> 00:20:09,567 -Am I correct on all of those things? -[Caryn] Yes. 439 00:20:09,633 --> 00:20:12,433 Perfect. Case is dismissed, we're done. 440 00:20:12,500 --> 00:20:13,433 Thank you very much. 441 00:20:13,500 --> 00:20:14,533 This court is adjourned. 442 00:20:20,500 --> 00:20:23,266 Well, it was about the car when it got impounded the second time, 443 00:20:23,333 --> 00:20:26,233 you know, I had to pay almost $1,400 to get it out, 444 00:20:26,300 --> 00:20:27,934 and that was, like, almost as much 445 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,367 as I sold her the car for, which was 1,600, so... 446 00:20:30,433 --> 00:20:33,967 I don't even know what the big situation about all of this is really to begin with 447 00:20:34,033 --> 00:20:35,700 because I bought the car from her, 448 00:20:35,767 --> 00:20:37,934 and I don't know what her problem is with me. 449 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,967 I don't know why she even approached me the way she approached me. 450 00:20:41,033 --> 00:20:44,300 If she would have transferred the title like she was supposed to the first day 451 00:20:44,367 --> 00:20:47,467 after I sold her the car, then none of this would be happening, you know? 452 00:20:47,533 --> 00:20:51,200 She sold me the vehicle and she didn't provide me the smog certificate, 453 00:20:51,266 --> 00:20:54,133 and it worked out how I expected it to. 454 00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:00,600 I actually would look forward to trying the second part of that case 455 00:21:00,667 --> 00:21:04,266 against the towing company because the most legitimate argument she had 456 00:21:04,333 --> 00:21:07,967 is against the towing company on the second tow... 457 00:21:08,033 --> 00:21:09,533 -Mm-hm. -...which really failed to do 458 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,800 a proper investigation of who owned the car. 459 00:21:11,867 --> 00:21:14,633 I agree that she should sue the towing company for getting it wrong, 460 00:21:14,700 --> 00:21:17,400 but I don't know if I would have done anything different in her shoes 461 00:21:17,467 --> 00:21:19,433 just because when you receive something like that, 462 00:21:19,500 --> 00:21:21,200 -it's kind of startling-- -It doesn't belong-- 463 00:21:21,266 --> 00:21:24,433 The car doesn't belong to me, I signed a release of liability... 464 00:21:24,500 --> 00:21:26,200 -Yeah. -...it's not mine. 465 00:21:26,266 --> 00:21:28,500 I think she's got a good case against the towing company. 466 00:21:28,567 --> 00:21:29,467 Yeah. 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