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So, you have a joint savings account
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with you and your great-grandmother.
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- Yes.
- You have checks that are made out
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to you, from a person
that you don't know!
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- Umm...
- Yes, ma'am.
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I didn't know that they were bad.
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You're not a stupid person? Right?
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[narrator]
This is Judy Justice.
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{\an8}♪
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{\an8}[narrator] Maude Gatlin is suing
her great-granddaughter,
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{\an8}Angelina Marshall,
and her daughter,
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{\an8}Angela Norrie,
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{\an8}for writing fraudulent checks.
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[bailiff]
Court, come to order. All rise.
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Have a seat, please.
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[bailiff]
Hello, Judge.
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Case 2169,
Gatlin versus Marshall and Norrie.
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- Thank you.
- You're welcome.
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- Ms. Gatlin?
- Right here.
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Who's Marshall?
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- Me.
- [Judy] This is your grandmother?
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- Great-grandmother...
- [Judy] Great-grandmother?
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Yes, Your Honor.
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Would you have a seat for a moment?
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- Me?
- [Judy] Yes.
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Thank you.
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- And this is your...?
- [Angelina] My great-aunt.
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[Judy]
Your first name is Angelina?
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- Yes, Your Honor.
- [Judy] And you said
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- that this was your great-aunt?
- No. She's my great-grandmother,
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and then, the other lady is my great-aunt.
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[Judy]
No, no... who is the plaintiff?
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- My great-grandmother.
- [Judy] Oh, that what it says
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in the complaint, I didn't understand it
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when you said, "That was my great-aunt."
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- Sorry.
- [Judy] OK. How old are you today?
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{\an8}- I'm 18.
- [Judy] When did you turn 18?
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{\an8}- September 24th.
- [Judy] Prior to your turning 18,
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{\an8}- you had a job?
- [Angelina] Yes.
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- Doing what?
- Being a food associate worker.
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[Judy]
How long were you working there?
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I was there for five months.
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And how much were you making an hour?
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- Seventeen dollars.
- [Judy] Who were you living with?
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My great-- mm, sorry, my grandmother.
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[Judy] And, Ms. Gatlin,
is Ms. Norrie your daughter?
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{\an8}- Yes, she's my oldest daughter. Yes.
- [Judy] That's what I thought.
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{\an8}Because you were working,
you wanted to start a bank account?
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Yes. Yes, Your Honor.
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[Judy]
And you asked your great-grandmother
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whether she could help you do that,
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because you needed a co-signer?
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Um, no, she actually offered if...
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[Judy]
OK, well, tell me about it.
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Well, I was helping her move some stuff
into our apartment,
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- and then, um...
- [Judy] You were helping her
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- with...?
- I was helping her move some of her stuff
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into our apartment,
'cause at the, at the current time,
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she needed to live with us,
and I was helping her out...
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[Judy] Your great-grandmother
was going to be living with you?
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- [Angelina] Yes.
- [Judy] And what month was that?
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- June.
- [Judy] June of...?
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2022.
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So you were helping her move
some of the things into your house?
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- [Angelina] Yes.
- [Judy] And?
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[Angelina]
And, well, we were at the bank,
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so she wanted to withdraw some money for,
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well, I don't know, really,
know what she was doing,
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but I was just riding around with her.
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You a working lady, or were you?
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- Yes, I do work, Your Honor.
- [Judy] For whom?
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I work for Secure Tech.
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[Judy] And that's where
you deposit your paychecks?
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Yes, my paychecks
are directly deposited, that is correct.
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OK, so now you're traveling
with your great-grandmother, around,
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and she had to make,
go in and make a deposit?
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- [Angelina] Mm-hmm.
- [Judy] Or a withdrawal.
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- Yes.
- [Judy] And?
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Well, um, I was sitting there
waiting for her to finish,
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and, um, well, while we were waiting
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for a teller to open up for her,
before she went outside,
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uh, she asked me if I would like
to open a--a savings account.
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And, um, well, I really didn't need one,
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but I was, like, yeah, sure, so I can
at least have my checks go somewhere.
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Well, what were you doing
with your checks before that?
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Um, I would just take them to the bank.
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Is that where the bank
that they were drawn on?
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- Yes.
- [Judy] OK. So you were taking them
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- to the bank that they were drawn on,
- Yes.
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[Judy]
to cash? OK.
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But this was a more convenient bank?
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{\an8}Um, yes. She said it would help me
with my credit, so I'm, like, yeah, sure.
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{\an8}Since she wants to help out.
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[Judy] OK.
So, you had some paychecks
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- that you were putting in there?
- Yes.
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Those are not the checks
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How long did you put your paychecks
into the bank,
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that was now a joint savings account
with you and your great-grandmother,
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starting in June?
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Excuse me? What?
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[Maude]
It actually started in May, Your Honor.
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- [Judy] May of 2022?
- Y-Yes. And, um,
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to go back a little bit, Angelina, yes,
I was living with my oldest daughter.
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Angelina came to me one night
and she said, "Granny,"
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she said, "Can you help me
open a bank account?"
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And I said, "Well, we'll see."
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So, she happened to be with me
that particular day,
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when I went to take care
of a transaction.
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And I said, "Hey, let's see
if we can open your--your account,
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that you asked me about."
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And the young lady asked her
how old she was.
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She said 17.
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She said, "Well, unfortunately,
you can't open an account."
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- She said, "But you..."
- You have to-- you have to--
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- need a co-signer.
- [Maude] Yeah. She said, "Ms. Gatlin?"
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She said, "Since you've been
banking with us for a while,
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Angelina can open up a junior account
on your account."
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So I said, "Oh, OK."
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- Great. So, it was opened in May.
- It was opened in May.
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- [Judy] Great.
- May the 11th.
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[Judy] And you put
your paychecks in there?
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- Yes.
- And you withdrew from your paychecks
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what you needed to live?
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- Yes.
- [Judy] Is that what happened?
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- Yes, Your Honor.
- But then there came some checks
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that you weren't quite sure
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of how they originated?
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They were not your paychecks?
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What checks were those?
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Um, they were some checks
that a family member gave to me...
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[Judy]
No, no, not a family member.
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Not a family member.
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Your father gave to you?
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- Yes.
- [Judy] When did your father
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give you these checks?
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I'm... gonna say maybe July?
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{\an8}- I'm not too sure...
- [Judy] When did you see
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{\an8}- your father?
- I, well, he's in and out
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{\an8}of our lives a lot, we never really
talked to him when he was around.
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{\an8}But, um, maybe about...
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No, no, look at me,
and tell me how it is
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that your father gave you checks,
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which turned out to be bad,
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to put in your account,
your bank account?
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Well, he was just trying to help out...
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No, not just trying to help out.
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I want you to tell me
where you received the checks,
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what he said to you
when he gave you the checks,
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and I assume he did not
give you the checks
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all at one time?
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- No, he didn't.
- [Judy] He gave them to you
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- intermittently?
- Yes.
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[Judy] So tell me
when he gave you the first check.
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- Was that in July?
- [Angelina] Yes.
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- [Judy] Where was he?
- Um, we were at my house.
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- With?
- My grandmother.
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[Judy]
With your grandmother?
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- She likes him?
- [Angelina] Yes.
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And what happened
when he was at your house...
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- [Angelina] Well, um...
- in July?
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Well, he came over to check us--
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to check up on us, the family.
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And he's, like, um, "Angelina,
do you need some money?"
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I said, "Yeah, Dad,
to help out with the bills."
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He's like, "OK, here, cash this,"
and like...
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What happened when your grandmother
told you that the checks were bad?
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I was, like, OK, I didn't know, 'cause
I was trying to get into my account.
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I didn't know about it.
I'm like, OK, she said,
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"Are you gonna pay it
so it won't come back on me?"
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I'm like, "Yes, I will pay it."
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You're talking very fast.
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{\an8}[narrator] Maude Gatlin claims
her 18-year-old great-granddaughter,
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{\an8}Angelina Marshall, used her account
to cash fraudulent checks.
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OK. Now, according to you,
your father's been in and out of prison?
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- Yes.
- How long had he been out of prison
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when he came to the house?
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I'm gonna be honest, I don't know,
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'cause he's honestly
been in and out of jail a lot.
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So I don't really keep track
of how many times he gets out and in.
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Well, I'm just asking,
when he came to your house in July,
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had he been in jail in June?
In April?
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- I-- April.
- [Judy] He'd been in jail in April?
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- In May?
- No. He was not in jail.
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Where was he working?
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Um, he was actually,
he wasn't working anywhere.
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[Judy]
He wasn't working in May?
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No. He does his own thing.
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What does-- I don't know what that means.
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- [chuckling] Me, either.
- [Judy] I don't know [mumbling]...
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Was he working in May?
Was he working in June?
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- Mmm, no.
- [Judy] When you say
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he was doing his own thing,
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this "own thing" that he was doing,
did not produce paychecks?
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{\an8}To be-- I don't
get into my father's business,
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{\an8}- so I wouldn't know.
- [Judy] So you took these checks...
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Do you have a copy of the check?
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Anybody have a copy
of the first check from...
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I only have one.
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Um, four of them is there.
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[Judy] Well, first of all,
I don't see any signature on here.
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On the first one, there isn't,
uh, uh, on, on the 3560,
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- uh, Your Honor...
- [Judy] No, on 600,
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Six hundred, twelve hundred...
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[Maude]
There isn't any signature on any of them.
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It's just that she wrote her name on it,
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and--and, screenshot them
into the account.
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- [Judy] Now...
- [Maude] And I do have the breakdown.
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- I'm sorry?
- [Judy] Just a second.
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I do have these checks
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starting to be deposited
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in August, one on the 11th,
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two written to you on the 16th,
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from a Suzanne,
and they're made out to you.
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- Right?
- Yes.
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You're not a stupid person, right?
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- No.
- [Judy] I want you to tell me
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who Suzanne is.
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I--I--I wouldn't know.
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My dad, I swear,
my dad just gave them to me
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and told me to cash 'em.
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Well, Ms. Marshall, you have checks
that are made out to you
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{\an8}from a person that you don't know!
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{\an8}Not from one of your work checks,
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{\an8}it's made out to you, it's signed
by somebody who you work for.
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It indicates the number of hours
on the stub,
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do you know what I'm talking about?
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- Yes.
- [Judy] This is written by somebody
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that you have no idea who it is.
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Now, a person with a modicum
of intelligence
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that has an unsigned check
would say,
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"Who is Suzanne?"
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Are you telling me
that you didn't ask that question?
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- No.
- [Judy] No.
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Now, when you signed the checks,
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- because they had to be signed, right?
- [Angelina] Yes.
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Whose name did you sign?
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- My name.
- [Judy] Well, the checks
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are made out to you,
which means you could've cashed them.
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Am I missing something?
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So her name was DocuSigned
on these checks?
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And she merely endorsed them?
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Is that what you're telling me?
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Basically, what I'm seeing,
from what the bank tells me,
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{\an8}she put her name on it, put the amount
that she wanted to withdraw,
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{\an8}did a screen shot, and got the money.
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OK. Now. OK.
There did come a time
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when you found out
that these checks
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were bad checks?
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- Mm-hmm
- [Judy] Right?
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- Yes.
- [Judy] And that they were going
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to hold your great-grandmother
responsible for those checks,
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because you already took out the cash.
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And you spent it.
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All of it.
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Not your pay.
You may have taken out your pay, too.
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I'm gonna ask you
a very serious question:
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Did you give your father
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any portion of the checks
that he gave you?
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Did he say to you,
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"Well, this is work that I did
for this woman,
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so, if you cash them,
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you can give me some,
and you can keep the rest"?
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Think carefully
before you answer my question.
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- No, Your Honor.
- [Judy] So, he just said to you,
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"Take these blank checks,
fill them in, and deposit them"?
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{\an8}No, he-- he's the one that filled them in,
he told me this, I'm, like,
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{\an8}I looked at him, like,
"Dad, are you sure?"
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{\an8}He's, like,
"Trust me, Lina, they're fine."
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I'm like...
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Well, why--why would you trust him?
What does he go to jail for?
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[sighs] Way different stuff from...
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[Judy]
Sounds like a dreamboat.
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Well, so now I'm going to ask you:
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You took this money out,
and what did you do with it?
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{\an8}Paid bills, bought stuff I needed
for my daughter.
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{\an8}- [Judy] Like what?
- Diapers, clothes, shoes...
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You know, saving.
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Just, uh, in case I needed
some more stuff for her,
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but I really didn't save.
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Took her to places,
just to get her out of the house.
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And... well...
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[Judy] Well, what happened
when your grandmother told you
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that the checks were bad?
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Did she tell you it one time
that all the checks were bad,
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or did she tell you
over a series of times?
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- She only, she told me twice.
- [Judy] Twice?
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The first time it was
400-something dollars, I was, like, OK,
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I didn't know, 'cause I was trying
to get into my account,
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I didn't know about it, I'm, like,
OK, she's like, "Are you gonna pay it
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so it won't come back on me?"
I'm, like, "Yes, I will pay it..."
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- You're talking very fast.
- [Angelina] Sorry.
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I said to my grandmother,
or my grandmother said to me,
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"Four hundred dollars is,
they're discounting
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because it was a bad check,"
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and that must've been
one of the first checks.
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00:12:00,100 --> 00:12:01,567
- Yes.
- [Judy] And you said?
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[Angelina] I said, "I will pay it back
once my next paycheck goes through."
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[Judy]
You will pay back what?
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The 400... I'm not, not exact
how much it was,
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- but I know it was 400...
- [Judy] OK. So now you know
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that the checks that your father
was giving you were bad.
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Yes.
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[Judy]
That's with only $400 in it.
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'Cause you said to her,
"Well, I'll pay you back,"
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'cause you've been using that money
to take care of you.
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- Yes.
- [Judy] In addition to the money
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- that you're earning.
- Yes.
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[Judy] You were using the money
that your great-grandmother was earning
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to take care of you.
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So, now you find out
that the checks are bad,
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but your father gives you other checks.
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Did your father give you other checks?
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No.
Not after-- not after everything happened.
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'Cause he, well, once everything
started to happen...
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No. When he gave you the $400 check,
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and the $400 check was returned,
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00:12:47,867 --> 00:12:50,066
and you said, "I will replace it
once I get to work",
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- there is more than one check here.
- Mm-hmm.
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Why did you continue to deposit checks?
324
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Well, when they all came back to me,
about all negative this,
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I was, like, "OK, what's going on?"
326
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I checked and it said
how the checks were bad.
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Again, I didn't know that they were bad.
328
00:13:05,300 --> 00:13:09,100
{\an8}So, when I saw, I was, like,
OK, I had to find a way to pay it back,
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{\an8}so, you know, my great-grandmother
won't get mad,
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{\an8}and no one else will have to get involved.
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Do you want to tell me
how much you owe the bank?
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{\an8}OK, Your Honor, um,
I went to the bank on the 23rd.
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{\an8}[Judy] No, just tell me
how much you owe to the bank.
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It's 3,600.
That's what they had... did.
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- [Judy] OK.
- At this time, I've been paying on it.
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At this time, it's 2,300 and some change.
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[sobbing] I'm sorry.
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[Judy]
All right, you've been paying on it?
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Yes, ma'am.
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And it started at $3,600.
341
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Yes, ma'am.
342
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Did your great-granddaughter
pay you any money towards it?
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00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,033
- No, she did not.
- [Judy] Why not?
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Well, I was gonna pay it back,
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but then she had my Aunt Janea
come into my house,
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and take a lot of my electronics.
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♪
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I would've said to myself,
"Self, this doesn't look right.
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I don't know",
or "I have to ask my father
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who's writing all these checks.
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She's somebody he works for?
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Or is it somebody whose checks he stole?"
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♪
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♪
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{\an8}[narrator] Maude Gatlin is accusing
her 18-year-old great-granddaughter,
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{\an8}Angelina Marshall, of cashing
fraudulent checks with her account.
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00:14:28,867 --> 00:14:32,033
Angelina claims her electronics were sold
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to pay for the debt.
359
00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,367
Now, she took what electronics?
360
00:14:35,367 --> 00:14:37,500
She took, um, three of our TVs.
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00:14:37,500 --> 00:14:39,834
[Judy] Now, you bought
those TVs with this money?
362
00:14:39,834 --> 00:14:43,166
No, all the stuff that she took was bought
way before any of this happened.
363
00:14:43,166 --> 00:14:45,000
My Play-- my PlayStation,
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00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:46,734
my daughter's tablet,
365
00:14:46,834 --> 00:14:48,500
my, um, Apple laptop,
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00:14:48,500 --> 00:14:49,934
my daughter's laptop,
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00:14:50,033 --> 00:14:52,867
two of my speakers,
and three of our TVs.
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00:14:52,867 --> 00:14:54,567
And did she sell them, do you know?
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00:14:54,667 --> 00:14:57,266
{\an8}Uh, from what I know, I know
she probably sold a little bit of it,
370
00:14:57,367 --> 00:14:58,567
{\an8}I'm not really sure.
371
00:14:58,667 --> 00:15:00,767
{\an8}[Judy] Well, then, I think
that that's something you have to take up,
372
00:15:00,767 --> 00:15:02,100
{\an8}you can take that up with your aunt.
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00:15:02,100 --> 00:15:06,166
And that's how we start putting
some of the money into the bank,
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00:15:06,266 --> 00:15:08,667
of the $430.
375
00:15:08,767 --> 00:15:10,500
It was from some of the electronics.
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00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:14,433
OK. So, with regard to the $3,900,
377
00:15:14,433 --> 00:15:16,000
you paid off $400?
378
00:15:16,100 --> 00:15:19,800
No, the 30, it was, it was $3,600,
379
00:15:19,900 --> 00:15:22,567
and when I seen it that day,
380
00:15:22,567 --> 00:15:25,667
I looked on my phone,
it was 3,000 and something dollars.
381
00:15:25,767 --> 00:15:28,233
I went to the bank and asked them,
382
00:15:28,233 --> 00:15:31,000
"What in the world is going on
with my account?"
383
00:15:31,100 --> 00:15:33,100
No, I got exactly what happened
and I've laid it out.
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00:15:33,100 --> 00:15:35,567
After you sold the electronics
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00:15:35,567 --> 00:15:38,433
that your daughter took...
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00:15:38,433 --> 00:15:40,500
- Yes, Janea.
- [Judy] That your daughter took
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00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:42,066
- from their house,
- [Maude] Mm-hmm.
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00:15:42,066 --> 00:15:43,500
- [Judy] and you sold them...?
- I did.
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00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:45,633
[Judy] How much
were you able to put in the bank
390
00:15:45,734 --> 00:15:47,000
with the sold electronics?
391
00:15:47,100 --> 00:15:50,133
It was 430, and she didn't take it.
392
00:15:50,233 --> 00:15:51,934
She was told to take it.
393
00:15:51,934 --> 00:15:53,433
[Judy]
I don't care whether she took it or,
394
00:15:53,433 --> 00:15:54,633
- it doesn't matter to me.
- [Maude] OK.
395
00:15:54,734 --> 00:15:56,667
- $430.
- [Maude] Mm-hmm.
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00:15:56,767 --> 00:16:00,066
{\an8}And they deleted
all of my different accounts
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00:16:00,166 --> 00:16:02,533
{\an8}that I had within my account
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00:16:02,633 --> 00:16:05,000
{\an8}of $103...
399
00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,200
{\an8}and... um...
400
00:16:07,300 --> 00:16:10,233
{\an8}$107.53.
401
00:16:10,333 --> 00:16:12,066
I had other little accounts that...
402
00:16:12,166 --> 00:16:14,133
[Judy]
Just a second, you owed $3,600.
403
00:16:14,133 --> 00:16:16,500
- Yes, that's what the bank said...
- [Judy] Just a second...
404
00:16:16,500 --> 00:16:20,066
and you put back in,
to satisfy the bad checks,
405
00:16:20,166 --> 00:16:23,300
- $430?
- Exactly.
406
00:16:23,300 --> 00:16:26,567
So, what's owed to you is $3,200?
407
00:16:26,667 --> 00:16:28,133
$3,270.
408
00:16:28,133 --> 00:16:31,233
And then I put another
hundred dollars on it
409
00:16:31,333 --> 00:16:33,367
in December because of the fact
410
00:16:33,467 --> 00:16:36,200
the credit people came to me and told me
411
00:16:36,300 --> 00:16:38,133
- if I don't put something...
- [Judy] No, no, no,
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00:16:38,133 --> 00:16:39,834
I just want to know what's left,
413
00:16:39,834 --> 00:16:42,700
- [Maude] OK.
- what's left after the 430?
414
00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:44,867
- [Maude] OK, as of...
- Shh! What?
415
00:16:44,967 --> 00:16:48,400
- Thirty-one seventy.
- Thirty-one sev, thirty-one seventy.
416
00:16:48,500 --> 00:16:50,467
- Thank you.
- 3,600 minus the 430.
417
00:16:50,467 --> 00:16:51,967
Yeah. Great. Thank you.
418
00:16:51,967 --> 00:16:53,734
[Maude]
OK, as of today,
419
00:16:53,834 --> 00:16:58,233
- it's $2,252 and four cents.
- [Judy] Ms. Gatlin,
420
00:16:58,333 --> 00:17:00,633
- I am going to make you whole.
- [Maude] OK.
421
00:17:00,734 --> 00:17:02,767
Not the money that you paid in yourself.
422
00:17:02,867 --> 00:17:04,433
- OK.
- [Judy] What I want to know is,
423
00:17:04,533 --> 00:17:06,867
how much money you paid in?
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00:17:06,867 --> 00:17:10,200
{\an8}- Zero.
- No, I did pay some in,
425
00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,800
{\an8}put in some of my paychecks
that did go through at the time
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00:17:12,900 --> 00:17:15,200
{\an8}after everything happened,
'cause I did continue working.
427
00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:16,433
[Judy]
No, these were bad checks.
428
00:17:16,533 --> 00:17:18,967
These were the bad checks
that are owed, $3,600.
429
00:17:19,066 --> 00:17:21,300
Yes, but I did put
a little bit money in.
430
00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,800
- Well, how much?
- Only one of my checks went in,
431
00:17:23,900 --> 00:17:26,300
which was probably
not even worth $100...
432
00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:27,867
[Judy]
Well, I'm not interested in it.
433
00:17:27,867 --> 00:17:30,066
- [Judy] Then I'm not interested.
- It was $62, to be exact.
434
00:17:30,066 --> 00:17:31,300
- [Judy] Shh! Shh.
- Sorry.
435
00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:32,300
[Judy]
I'm not interested in it.
436
00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,967
Virtually no money, with the exception
of perhaps one paycheck,
437
00:17:36,066 --> 00:17:38,300
which amounted to about $100,
438
00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,033
- was put in by you?
- Yes.
439
00:17:40,033 --> 00:17:41,133
- [Judy] Is that right?
- Yes.
440
00:17:41,233 --> 00:17:42,633
[Judy]
OK. So the question is,
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whether I believe that,
a) you knew,
442
00:17:46,033 --> 00:17:48,066
or should've known,
that these were bad checks.
443
00:17:48,066 --> 00:17:50,300
And I think you're a pretty smart girl.
444
00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,266
Given your father's history,
he gives you these checks,
445
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two in one day, one's for $1,200,
446
00:17:55,700 --> 00:17:58,033
one's for $600, one's for $300,
447
00:17:58,033 --> 00:18:00,500
you'd say, "Dad, where'd you get
this money from?"
448
00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,367
And if you're putting your money
into the bank,
449
00:18:03,467 --> 00:18:06,533
your money from work,
which is a very good thing, that's fine,
450
00:18:06,633 --> 00:18:08,433
but I'm gonna save up that money,
451
00:18:08,433 --> 00:18:09,800
I'm not gonna buy electronics,
452
00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,200
I'm not gonna buy anything else
for the house,
453
00:18:12,300 --> 00:18:14,500
what I'm going to do is save that money,
454
00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:15,800
or at least see what happens with it.
455
00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:17,700
So, I would've said to myself,
456
00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:19,433
"Self, this doesn't look right.
457
00:18:19,433 --> 00:18:22,800
I don't know," or "I have to ask my father
458
00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:24,533
who's writing all these checks?
459
00:18:24,633 --> 00:18:26,367
She's somebody he works for?
460
00:18:26,467 --> 00:18:28,533
Or is it somebody whose checks he stole?"
461
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- Do you understand?
- Yes, Your Honor.
462
00:18:30,433 --> 00:18:33,533
Great. Judgment for the plaintiff
in the amount of $3,170.
463
00:18:33,633 --> 00:18:35,367
Thank you very much.
We're done.
464
00:18:35,467 --> 00:18:36,667
[bailiff]
This court is adjourned.
465
00:18:36,767 --> 00:18:38,934
♪
466
00:18:38,934 --> 00:18:41,967
{\an8}What they did to us was way worse
than what I did to them.
467
00:18:41,967 --> 00:18:43,433
{\an8}It was very hurtful,
468
00:18:43,433 --> 00:18:46,867
{\an8}[sobbing] and I'm still
in the stress mode about it.
469
00:18:46,967 --> 00:18:48,867
{\an8}They took all of--all of our electronics,
470
00:18:48,967 --> 00:18:51,333
{\an8}our TVs, my PlayStation,
laptops and speakers.
471
00:18:51,433 --> 00:18:53,700
{\an8}The truth is, I have a video
showing that my niece
472
00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:57,333
{\an8}actually voluntarily gave me
all the electronics to be taken care of.
473
00:18:57,433 --> 00:18:59,533
{\an8}She said she was gonna do it,
and she wasn't gonna do it.
474
00:18:59,633 --> 00:19:01,767
{\an8}Which is the reason why I took the items
475
00:19:01,867 --> 00:19:03,533
{\an8}to have everything
taken care of for my mom.
476
00:19:03,533 --> 00:19:05,900
{\an8}My thing is, the property
that they, she took,
477
00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,900
{\an8}it-- we bought that couple of years back.
478
00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,266
{\an8}And that shouldn't had nothing to do
with what's going on now.
479
00:19:11,367 --> 00:19:13,266
{\an8}We're not happy people, and you know,
to be honest with you,
480
00:19:13,367 --> 00:19:15,767
{\an8}because of the fact
that they did my-- our mother like this,
481
00:19:15,867 --> 00:19:17,600
{\an8}we don't have anything to do with them.
482
00:19:17,700 --> 00:19:20,600
{\an8}Well, all I can say is,
she'll never see me or my child again.
483
00:19:20,700 --> 00:19:22,867
{\an8}And that's-- and that's generations
going out of her life
484
00:19:22,867 --> 00:19:25,834
{\an8}over some petty stuff
that could've been dealt with easily.
485
00:19:25,834 --> 00:19:28,834
{\an8}I don't know if it can be solved.
God will be that answer.
486
00:19:28,834 --> 00:19:31,433
{\an8}Don't do your family wrong,
even as much as you love 'em,
487
00:19:31,533 --> 00:19:34,600
{\an8}'cause they raised me, with her,
ever since I was four,
488
00:19:34,700 --> 00:19:36,200
{\an8}and they still did me wrong
growing up,
489
00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:37,700
{\an8}and they still did me wrong today.
490
00:19:37,700 --> 00:19:39,433
{\an8}You can't trust anyone in your family,
491
00:19:39,533 --> 00:19:41,400
{\an8}but that doesn't mean don't do 'em wrong.
492
00:19:41,500 --> 00:19:44,400
{\an8}[sobbing] Because I never thought
my family would do this to me.
493
00:19:45,867 --> 00:19:49,567
Another great lesson in the dangers
of co-signing anything.
494
00:19:49,667 --> 00:19:51,433
For a car, for a dog,
495
00:19:51,533 --> 00:19:54,600
for a bank account, because I'm sure
the great-grandmother plaintiff
496
00:19:54,700 --> 00:19:57,934
would not have accepted checks
from her previous son-in-law.
497
00:19:58,033 --> 00:19:59,767
- Oh.
- Knowing his background,
498
00:19:59,867 --> 00:20:02,433
and knowing at--at least
she would've asked a follow-up question.
499
00:20:02,533 --> 00:20:04,200
- That's right.
- So, I understand
500
00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,867
the daughter's position of,
"Hey, I know what he's been involved in,
501
00:20:06,867 --> 00:20:09,100
I don't want to be involved,"
but if that's your stance,
502
00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,533
you can't benefit from taking checks
that you know are probably dirty.
503
00:20:12,533 --> 00:20:16,900
So, and unfortunately, the grandmother
didn't get a crash course from us
504
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,200
on the dangers of co-signing
on a bank account.
505
00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,066
'Cause they can not only, evidently,
go into your bank,
506
00:20:22,166 --> 00:20:24,033
- Yeah.
- that particular account,
507
00:20:24,033 --> 00:20:26,266
but they can attach any account...
508
00:20:26,367 --> 00:20:29,400
Like she said, they drained
all of her other accounts
509
00:20:29,500 --> 00:20:31,834
to fulfill the debt,
so there's real dangers in co-signing,
510
00:20:31,834 --> 00:20:34,066
even with someone that you love,
like your great-granddaughter.
511
00:20:34,166 --> 00:20:35,433
- Yeah. You're right.
- Yeah.
512
00:20:37,033 --> 00:20:38,934
[narrator]
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513
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