1 00:00:00,500 --> 00:00:02,900 So, you have a joint savings account 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:04,800 with you and your great-grandmother. 3 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:07,033 - Yes. - You have checks that are made out 4 00:00:07,133 --> 00:00:10,800 to you, from a person that you don't know! 5 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,200 - Umm... - Yes, ma'am. 6 00:00:13,300 --> 00:00:14,667 I didn't know that they were bad. 7 00:00:14,667 --> 00:00:17,567 You're not a stupid person? Right? 8 00:00:17,667 --> 00:00:20,000 [narrator] This is Judy Justice. 9 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,467 {\an8}♪ 10 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,467 {\an8}[narrator] Maude Gatlin is suing her great-granddaughter, 11 00:00:40,467 --> 00:00:42,834 {\an8}Angelina Marshall, and her daughter, 12 00:00:42,834 --> 00:00:44,166 {\an8}Angela Norrie, 13 00:00:44,166 --> 00:00:46,233 {\an8}for writing fraudulent checks. 14 00:00:47,133 --> 00:00:49,066 [bailiff] Court, come to order. All rise. 15 00:00:50,867 --> 00:00:52,066 Have a seat, please. 16 00:00:53,033 --> 00:00:53,900 [bailiff] Hello, Judge. 17 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,400 Case 2169, Gatlin versus Marshall and Norrie. 18 00:00:56,500 --> 00:00:57,800 - Thank you. - You're welcome. 19 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,433 - Ms. Gatlin? - Right here. 20 00:01:00,533 --> 00:01:01,400 Who's Marshall? 21 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,767 - Me. - [Judy] This is your grandmother? 22 00:01:03,867 --> 00:01:05,600 - Great-grandmother... - [Judy] Great-grandmother? 23 00:01:05,700 --> 00:01:06,900 Yes, Your Honor. 24 00:01:06,900 --> 00:01:08,433 Would you have a seat for a moment? 25 00:01:08,533 --> 00:01:09,400 - Me? - [Judy] Yes. 26 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:10,400 Thank you. 27 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:12,533 - And this is your...? - [Angelina] My great-aunt. 28 00:01:12,533 --> 00:01:14,066 [Judy] Your first name is Angelina? 29 00:01:14,066 --> 00:01:15,734 - Yes, Your Honor. - [Judy] And you said 30 00:01:15,734 --> 00:01:19,200 - that this was your great-aunt? - No. She's my great-grandmother, 31 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:20,800 and then, the other lady is my great-aunt. 32 00:01:20,900 --> 00:01:23,400 [Judy] No, no... who is the plaintiff? 33 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:25,100 - My great-grandmother. - [Judy] Oh, that what it says 34 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:26,533 in the complaint, I didn't understand it 35 00:01:26,533 --> 00:01:29,700 when you said, "That was my great-aunt." 36 00:01:29,700 --> 00:01:32,433 - Sorry. - [Judy] OK. How old are you today? 37 00:01:32,533 --> 00:01:34,367 {\an8}- I'm 18. - [Judy] When did you turn 18? 38 00:01:34,367 --> 00:01:38,066 {\an8}- September 24th. - [Judy] Prior to your turning 18, 39 00:01:38,066 --> 00:01:40,200 {\an8}- you had a job? - [Angelina] Yes. 40 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,767 - Doing what? - Being a food associate worker. 41 00:01:43,867 --> 00:01:45,133 [Judy] How long were you working there? 42 00:01:45,233 --> 00:01:46,533 I was there for five months. 43 00:01:46,533 --> 00:01:48,266 And how much were you making an hour? 44 00:01:48,367 --> 00:01:50,467 - Seventeen dollars. - [Judy] Who were you living with? 45 00:01:50,567 --> 00:01:52,533 My great-- mm, sorry, my grandmother. 46 00:01:52,533 --> 00:01:55,100 [Judy] And, Ms. Gatlin, is Ms. Norrie your daughter? 47 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,800 {\an8}- Yes, she's my oldest daughter. Yes. - [Judy] That's what I thought. 48 00:01:57,900 --> 00:02:01,600 {\an8}Because you were working, you wanted to start a bank account? 49 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:02,867 Yes. Yes, Your Honor. 50 00:02:02,967 --> 00:02:05,300 [Judy] And you asked your great-grandmother 51 00:02:05,300 --> 00:02:07,266 whether she could help you do that, 52 00:02:07,266 --> 00:02:09,033 because you needed a co-signer? 53 00:02:09,133 --> 00:02:11,533 Um, no, she actually offered if... 54 00:02:11,633 --> 00:02:13,133 [Judy] OK, well, tell me about it. 55 00:02:13,133 --> 00:02:15,967 Well, I was helping her move some stuff into our apartment, 56 00:02:15,967 --> 00:02:18,033 - and then, um... - [Judy] You were helping her 57 00:02:18,133 --> 00:02:20,467 - with...? - I was helping her move some of her stuff 58 00:02:20,467 --> 00:02:23,266 into our apartment, 'cause at the, at the current time, 59 00:02:23,266 --> 00:02:26,033 she needed to live with us, and I was helping her out... 60 00:02:26,133 --> 00:02:27,867 [Judy] Your great-grandmother was going to be living with you? 61 00:02:27,967 --> 00:02:29,767 - [Angelina] Yes. - [Judy] And what month was that? 62 00:02:29,767 --> 00:02:31,800 - June. - [Judy] June of...? 63 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:32,967 2022. 64 00:02:32,967 --> 00:02:35,633 So you were helping her move some of the things into your house? 65 00:02:35,633 --> 00:02:36,867 - [Angelina] Yes. - [Judy] And? 66 00:02:36,967 --> 00:02:39,300 [Angelina] And, well, we were at the bank, 67 00:02:39,300 --> 00:02:41,333 so she wanted to withdraw some money for, 68 00:02:41,433 --> 00:02:43,467 well, I don't know, really, know what she was doing, 69 00:02:43,467 --> 00:02:45,033 but I was just riding around with her. 70 00:02:45,133 --> 00:02:46,667 You a working lady, or were you? 71 00:02:46,767 --> 00:02:48,834 - Yes, I do work, Your Honor. - [Judy] For whom? 72 00:02:48,934 --> 00:02:50,600 I work for Secure Tech. 73 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:52,600 [Judy] And that's where you deposit your paychecks? 74 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,867 Yes, my paychecks are directly deposited, that is correct. 75 00:02:55,967 --> 00:02:59,133 OK, so now you're traveling with your great-grandmother, around, 76 00:02:59,133 --> 00:03:01,433 and she had to make, go in and make a deposit? 77 00:03:01,533 --> 00:03:03,233 - [Angelina] Mm-hmm. - [Judy] Or a withdrawal. 78 00:03:03,333 --> 00:03:04,200 - Yes. - [Judy] And? 79 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,433 Well, um, I was sitting there waiting for her to finish, 80 00:03:07,533 --> 00:03:09,900 and, um, well, while we were waiting 81 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,667 for a teller to open up for her, before she went outside, 82 00:03:12,667 --> 00:03:16,567 uh, she asked me if I would like to open a--a savings account. 83 00:03:16,667 --> 00:03:20,667 And, um, well, I really didn't need one, 84 00:03:20,667 --> 00:03:23,934 but I was, like, yeah, sure, so I can at least have my checks go somewhere. 85 00:03:24,033 --> 00:03:26,400 Well, what were you doing with your checks before that? 86 00:03:26,500 --> 00:03:28,367 Um, I would just take them to the bank. 87 00:03:28,367 --> 00:03:30,033 Is that where the bank that they were drawn on? 88 00:03:30,033 --> 00:03:31,734 - Yes. - [Judy] OK. So you were taking them 89 00:03:31,834 --> 00:03:33,600 - to the bank that they were drawn on, - Yes. 90 00:03:33,700 --> 00:03:35,033 [Judy] to cash? OK. 91 00:03:35,033 --> 00:03:36,900 But this was a more convenient bank? 92 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,033 {\an8}Um, yes. She said it would help me with my credit, so I'm, like, yeah, sure. 93 00:03:40,033 --> 00:03:41,834 {\an8}Since she wants to help out. 94 00:03:41,834 --> 00:03:44,100 [Judy] OK. So, you had some paychecks 95 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:45,867 - that you were putting in there? - Yes. 96 00:03:45,867 --> 00:03:47,867 Those are not the checks that are at issue. 97 00:03:47,867 --> 00:03:51,533 How long did you put your paychecks into the bank, 98 00:03:51,533 --> 00:03:55,600 that was now a joint savings account with you and your great-grandmother, 99 00:03:55,700 --> 00:03:57,066 starting in June? 100 00:03:57,166 --> 00:03:58,834 Excuse me? What? 101 00:03:58,834 --> 00:04:01,600 [Maude] It actually started in May, Your Honor. 102 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,734 - [Judy] May of 2022? - Y-Yes. And, um, 103 00:04:04,734 --> 00:04:09,734 to go back a little bit, Angelina, yes, I was living with my oldest daughter. 104 00:04:09,734 --> 00:04:12,767 Angelina came to me one night and she said, "Granny," 105 00:04:12,767 --> 00:04:15,767 she said, "Can you help me open a bank account?" 106 00:04:15,767 --> 00:04:17,967 And I said, "Well, we'll see." 107 00:04:18,066 --> 00:04:20,600 So, she happened to be with me that particular day, 108 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:22,633 when I went to take care of a transaction. 109 00:04:22,734 --> 00:04:25,934 And I said, "Hey, let's see if we can open your--your account, 110 00:04:25,934 --> 00:04:26,967 that you asked me about." 111 00:04:27,066 --> 00:04:30,266 And the young lady asked her how old she was. 112 00:04:30,266 --> 00:04:31,800 She said 17. 113 00:04:31,900 --> 00:04:34,100 She said, "Well, unfortunately, you can't open an account." 114 00:04:34,100 --> 00:04:36,967 - She said, "But you..." - You have to-- you have to-- 115 00:04:37,066 --> 00:04:38,934 - need a co-signer. - [Maude] Yeah. She said, "Ms. Gatlin?" 116 00:04:38,934 --> 00:04:41,600 She said, "Since you've been banking with us for a while, 117 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,467 Angelina can open up a junior account on your account." 118 00:04:44,567 --> 00:04:46,300 So I said, "Oh, OK." 119 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,433 - Great. So, it was opened in May. - It was opened in May. 120 00:04:49,433 --> 00:04:50,800 - [Judy] Great. - May the 11th. 121 00:04:50,900 --> 00:04:53,300 [Judy] And you put your paychecks in there? 122 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,100 - Yes. - And you withdrew from your paychecks 123 00:04:56,100 --> 00:04:57,333 what you needed to live? 124 00:04:57,433 --> 00:04:59,000 - Yes. - [Judy] Is that what happened? 125 00:04:59,100 --> 00:05:01,300 - Yes, Your Honor. - But then there came some checks 126 00:05:01,300 --> 00:05:03,233 that you weren't quite sure 127 00:05:03,333 --> 00:05:06,133 of how they originated? 128 00:05:06,133 --> 00:05:07,567 They were not your paychecks? 129 00:05:07,667 --> 00:05:09,166 What checks were those? 130 00:05:09,166 --> 00:05:12,166 Um, they were some checks that a family member gave to me... 131 00:05:12,166 --> 00:05:13,834 [Judy] No, no, not a family member. 132 00:05:13,834 --> 00:05:15,133 Not a family member. 133 00:05:15,133 --> 00:05:16,467 Your father gave to you? 134 00:05:16,467 --> 00:05:18,133 - Yes. - [Judy] When did your father 135 00:05:18,133 --> 00:05:19,633 give you these checks? 136 00:05:19,633 --> 00:05:23,834 I'm... gonna say maybe July? 137 00:05:23,834 --> 00:05:25,300 {\an8}- I'm not too sure... - [Judy] When did you see 138 00:05:25,300 --> 00:05:28,367 {\an8}- your father? - I, well, he's in and out 139 00:05:28,467 --> 00:05:31,734 {\an8}of our lives a lot, we never really talked to him when he was around. 140 00:05:31,834 --> 00:05:34,200 {\an8}But, um, maybe about... 141 00:05:34,300 --> 00:05:36,834 No, no, look at me, and tell me how it is 142 00:05:36,834 --> 00:05:39,066 that your father gave you checks, 143 00:05:39,166 --> 00:05:40,800 which turned out to be bad, 144 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,200 to put in your account, your bank account? 145 00:05:44,300 --> 00:05:46,066 Well, he was just trying to help out... 146 00:05:46,166 --> 00:05:47,700 No, not just trying to help out. 147 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,400 I want you to tell me where you received the checks, 148 00:05:51,500 --> 00:05:53,900 what he said to you when he gave you the checks, 149 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:55,967 and I assume he did not give you the checks 150 00:05:55,967 --> 00:05:57,567 all at one time? 151 00:05:57,667 --> 00:05:59,300 - No, he didn't. - [Judy] He gave them to you 152 00:05:59,300 --> 00:06:00,700 - intermittently? - Yes. 153 00:06:00,700 --> 00:06:02,400 [Judy] So tell me when he gave you the first check. 154 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,400 - Was that in July? - [Angelina] Yes. 155 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,567 - [Judy] Where was he? - Um, we were at my house. 156 00:06:06,567 --> 00:06:08,200 - With? - My grandmother. 157 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:09,367 [Judy] With your grandmother? 158 00:06:09,367 --> 00:06:11,066 - She likes him? - [Angelina] Yes. 159 00:06:11,066 --> 00:06:13,533 And what happened when he was at your house... 160 00:06:13,533 --> 00:06:14,633 - [Angelina] Well, um... - in July? 161 00:06:14,734 --> 00:06:18,133 Well, he came over to check us-- 162 00:06:18,233 --> 00:06:19,934 to check up on us, the family. 163 00:06:20,033 --> 00:06:22,433 And he's, like, um, "Angelina, do you need some money?" 164 00:06:22,533 --> 00:06:24,300 I said, "Yeah, Dad, to help out with the bills." 165 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:28,433 He's like, "OK, here, cash this," and like... 166 00:06:28,533 --> 00:06:29,800 No, no, no, no, no, no, no. 167 00:06:29,900 --> 00:06:31,533 ♪ 168 00:06:33,033 --> 00:06:36,233 What happened when your grandmother told you that the checks were bad? 169 00:06:36,233 --> 00:06:39,233 I was, like, OK, I didn't know, 'cause I was trying to get into my account. 170 00:06:39,233 --> 00:06:41,300 I didn't know about it. I'm like, OK, she said, 171 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,133 "Are you gonna pay it so it won't come back on me?" 172 00:06:43,233 --> 00:06:44,400 I'm like, "Yes, I will pay it." 173 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:45,767 You're talking very fast. 174 00:06:45,867 --> 00:06:47,600 ♪ 175 00:06:51,533 --> 00:06:53,934 {\an8}♪ 176 00:06:57,233 --> 00:07:01,033 {\an8}[narrator] Maude Gatlin claims her 18-year-old great-granddaughter, 177 00:07:01,133 --> 00:07:05,667 {\an8}Angelina Marshall, used her account to cash fraudulent checks. 178 00:07:05,767 --> 00:07:08,934 OK. Now, according to you, your father's been in and out of prison? 179 00:07:08,934 --> 00:07:11,266 - Yes. - How long had he been out of prison 180 00:07:11,266 --> 00:07:12,934 when he came to the house? 181 00:07:14,500 --> 00:07:15,834 I'm gonna be honest, I don't know, 182 00:07:15,934 --> 00:07:18,533 'cause he's honestly been in and out of jail a lot. 183 00:07:18,633 --> 00:07:21,333 So I don't really keep track of how many times he gets out and in. 184 00:07:21,433 --> 00:07:24,300 Well, I'm just asking, when he came to your house in July, 185 00:07:24,300 --> 00:07:27,333 had he been in jail in June? In April? 186 00:07:27,433 --> 00:07:30,033 - I-- April. - [Judy] He'd been in jail in April? 187 00:07:30,133 --> 00:07:32,300 - In May? - No. He was not in jail. 188 00:07:32,300 --> 00:07:33,500 Where was he working? 189 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,300 Um, he was actually, he wasn't working anywhere. 190 00:07:36,300 --> 00:07:38,000 [Judy] He wasn't working in May? 191 00:07:38,100 --> 00:07:39,200 No. He does his own thing. 192 00:07:39,300 --> 00:07:41,133 What does-- I don't know what that means. 193 00:07:41,133 --> 00:07:43,633 - [chuckling] Me, either. - [Judy] I don't know [mumbling]... 194 00:07:43,633 --> 00:07:46,467 Was he working in May? Was he working in June? 195 00:07:46,467 --> 00:07:47,934 - Mmm, no. - [Judy] When you say 196 00:07:47,934 --> 00:07:48,867 he was doing his own thing, 197 00:07:48,967 --> 00:07:51,700 this "own thing" that he was doing, did not produce paychecks? 198 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,600 {\an8}To be-- I don't get into my father's business, 199 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,100 {\an8}- so I wouldn't know. - [Judy] So you took these checks... 200 00:07:57,100 --> 00:07:58,700 Do you have a copy of the check? 201 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,066 Anybody have a copy of the first check from... 202 00:08:01,166 --> 00:08:02,066 I only have one. 203 00:08:02,166 --> 00:08:04,266 Um, four of them is there. 204 00:08:09,667 --> 00:08:12,767 [Judy] Well, first of all, I don't see any signature on here. 205 00:08:12,867 --> 00:08:16,066 On the first one, there isn't, uh, uh, on, on the 3560, 206 00:08:16,166 --> 00:08:18,700 - uh, Your Honor... - [Judy] No, on 600, 207 00:08:18,700 --> 00:08:20,100 Six hundred, twelve hundred... 208 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,000 [Maude] There isn't any signature on any of them. 209 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:23,266 It's just that she wrote her name on it, 210 00:08:23,367 --> 00:08:26,567 and--and, screenshot them into the account. 211 00:08:26,667 --> 00:08:28,233 - [Judy] Now... - [Maude] And I do have the breakdown. 212 00:08:28,333 --> 00:08:30,033 - I'm sorry? - [Judy] Just a second. 213 00:08:30,033 --> 00:08:32,934 I do have these checks 214 00:08:33,033 --> 00:08:35,333 starting to be deposited 215 00:08:35,333 --> 00:08:37,200 in August, one on the 11th, 216 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,934 two written to you on the 16th, 217 00:08:40,033 --> 00:08:44,233 from a Suzanne, and they're made out to you. 218 00:08:44,333 --> 00:08:45,600 - Right? - Yes. 219 00:08:45,700 --> 00:08:48,266 You're not a stupid person, right? 220 00:08:48,367 --> 00:08:49,600 - No. - [Judy] I want you to tell me 221 00:08:49,700 --> 00:08:51,266 who Suzanne is. 222 00:08:51,367 --> 00:08:52,834 I--I--I wouldn't know. 223 00:08:52,834 --> 00:08:54,667 My dad, I swear, my dad just gave them to me 224 00:08:54,667 --> 00:08:56,333 and told me to cash 'em. 225 00:08:56,333 --> 00:08:59,900 Well, Ms. Marshall, you have checks that are made out to you 226 00:09:00,066 --> 00:09:02,834 {\an8}from a person that you don't know! 227 00:09:02,934 --> 00:09:05,166 {\an8}Not from one of your work checks, 228 00:09:05,266 --> 00:09:08,667 {\an8}it's made out to you, it's signed by somebody who you work for. 229 00:09:08,767 --> 00:09:11,500 It indicates the number of hours on the stub, 230 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:12,734 do you know what I'm talking about? 231 00:09:12,734 --> 00:09:15,333 - Yes. - [Judy] This is written by somebody 232 00:09:15,433 --> 00:09:17,467 that you have no idea who it is. 233 00:09:17,567 --> 00:09:21,166 Now, a person with a modicum of intelligence 234 00:09:21,266 --> 00:09:24,166 that has an unsigned check would say, 235 00:09:24,266 --> 00:09:27,300 "Who is Suzanne?" 236 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,900 Are you telling me that you didn't ask that question? 237 00:09:29,900 --> 00:09:31,767 - No. - [Judy] No. 238 00:09:31,767 --> 00:09:33,834 Now, when you signed the checks, 239 00:09:33,934 --> 00:09:36,934 - because they had to be signed, right? - [Angelina] Yes. 240 00:09:36,934 --> 00:09:39,100 Whose name did you sign? 241 00:09:39,100 --> 00:09:40,934 - My name. - [Judy] Well, the checks 242 00:09:40,934 --> 00:09:44,667 are made out to you, which means you could've cashed them. 243 00:09:44,767 --> 00:09:46,100 Am I missing something? 244 00:09:46,100 --> 00:09:50,600 So her name was DocuSigned on these checks? 245 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:52,400 And she merely endorsed them? 246 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:53,800 Is that what you're telling me? 247 00:09:53,900 --> 00:09:57,000 Basically, what I'm seeing, from what the bank tells me, 248 00:09:57,100 --> 00:10:00,467 {\an8}she put her name on it, put the amount that she wanted to withdraw, 249 00:10:00,567 --> 00:10:04,166 {\an8}did a screen shot, and got the money. 250 00:10:04,266 --> 00:10:07,333 OK. Now. OK. There did come a time 251 00:10:07,433 --> 00:10:11,667 when you found out that these checks 252 00:10:11,767 --> 00:10:13,000 were bad checks? 253 00:10:13,100 --> 00:10:13,967 - Mm-hmm - [Judy] Right? 254 00:10:13,967 --> 00:10:15,500 - Yes. - [Judy] And that they were going 255 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:19,567 to hold your great-grandmother responsible for those checks, 256 00:10:19,567 --> 00:10:22,433 because you already took out the cash. 257 00:10:22,433 --> 00:10:23,633 And you spent it. 258 00:10:23,734 --> 00:10:24,600 All of it. 259 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,400 Not your pay. You may have taken out your pay, too. 260 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,100 I'm gonna ask you a very serious question: 261 00:10:30,100 --> 00:10:32,100 Did you give your father 262 00:10:32,100 --> 00:10:34,834 any portion of the checks that he gave you? 263 00:10:34,934 --> 00:10:37,000 Did he say to you, 264 00:10:37,100 --> 00:10:39,967 "Well, this is work that I did for this woman, 265 00:10:40,066 --> 00:10:41,633 so, if you cash them, 266 00:10:41,734 --> 00:10:44,433 you can give me some, and you can keep the rest"? 267 00:10:44,433 --> 00:10:47,433 Think carefully before you answer my question. 268 00:10:47,433 --> 00:10:49,467 - No, Your Honor. - [Judy] So, he just said to you, 269 00:10:49,567 --> 00:10:52,667 "Take these blank checks, fill them in, and deposit them"? 270 00:10:52,767 --> 00:10:56,066 {\an8}No, he-- he's the one that filled them in, he told me this, I'm, like, 271 00:10:56,066 --> 00:10:58,633 {\an8}I looked at him, like, "Dad, are you sure?" 272 00:10:58,734 --> 00:11:00,667 {\an8}He's, like, "Trust me, Lina, they're fine." 273 00:11:00,667 --> 00:11:02,066 I'm like... 274 00:11:02,166 --> 00:11:04,734 Well, why--why would you trust him? What does he go to jail for? 275 00:11:04,834 --> 00:11:06,900 [sighs] Way different stuff from... 276 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:08,533 [Judy] Sounds like a dreamboat. 277 00:11:08,633 --> 00:11:10,900 Well, so now I'm going to ask you: 278 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,567 You took this money out, and what did you do with it? 279 00:11:13,667 --> 00:11:16,700 {\an8}Paid bills, bought stuff I needed for my daughter. 280 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,667 {\an8}- [Judy] Like what? - Diapers, clothes, shoes... 281 00:11:19,667 --> 00:11:21,367 You know, saving. 282 00:11:21,467 --> 00:11:23,300 Just, uh, in case I needed some more stuff for her, 283 00:11:23,300 --> 00:11:24,400 but I really didn't save. 284 00:11:24,500 --> 00:11:27,333 Took her to places, just to get her out of the house. 285 00:11:27,333 --> 00:11:29,000 And... well... 286 00:11:29,834 --> 00:11:32,200 [Judy] Well, what happened when your grandmother told you 287 00:11:32,300 --> 00:11:33,400 that the checks were bad? 288 00:11:33,500 --> 00:11:36,200 Did she tell you it one time that all the checks were bad, 289 00:11:36,300 --> 00:11:38,233 or did she tell you over a series of times? 290 00:11:38,333 --> 00:11:40,066 - She only, she told me twice. - [Judy] Twice? 291 00:11:40,166 --> 00:11:42,400 The first time it was 400-something dollars, I was, like, OK, 292 00:11:42,500 --> 00:11:44,700 I didn't know, 'cause I was trying to get into my account, 293 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,066 I didn't know about it, I'm, like, OK, she's like, "Are you gonna pay it 294 00:11:47,166 --> 00:11:49,700 so it won't come back on me?" I'm, like, "Yes, I will pay it..." 295 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,066 - You're talking very fast. - [Angelina] Sorry. 296 00:11:52,166 --> 00:11:53,967 I said to my grandmother, or my grandmother said to me, 297 00:11:53,967 --> 00:11:56,834 "Four hundred dollars is, they're discounting 298 00:11:56,834 --> 00:11:58,033 because it was a bad check," 299 00:11:58,133 --> 00:11:59,967 and that must've been one of the first checks. 300 00:12:00,100 --> 00:12:01,567 - Yes. - [Judy] And you said? 301 00:12:01,567 --> 00:12:04,800 [Angelina] I said, "I will pay it back once my next paycheck goes through." 302 00:12:04,900 --> 00:12:06,734 [Judy] You will pay back what? 303 00:12:06,734 --> 00:12:10,100 The 400... I'm not, not exact how much it was, 304 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,767 - but I know it was 400... - [Judy] OK. So now you know 305 00:12:12,867 --> 00:12:15,433 that the checks that your father was giving you were bad. 306 00:12:15,533 --> 00:12:16,467 Yes. 307 00:12:16,567 --> 00:12:18,533 [Judy] That's with only $400 in it. 308 00:12:18,533 --> 00:12:20,033 'Cause you said to her, "Well, I'll pay you back," 309 00:12:20,033 --> 00:12:22,467 'cause you've been using that money to take care of you. 310 00:12:22,567 --> 00:12:24,367 - Yes. - [Judy] In addition to the money 311 00:12:24,367 --> 00:12:26,100 - that you're earning. - Yes. 312 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:29,233 [Judy] You were using the money that your great-grandmother was earning 313 00:12:29,233 --> 00:12:30,433 to take care of you. 314 00:12:30,533 --> 00:12:32,600 So, now you find out that the checks are bad, 315 00:12:32,700 --> 00:12:34,433 but your father gives you other checks. 316 00:12:34,533 --> 00:12:36,433 Did your father give you other checks? 317 00:12:36,533 --> 00:12:39,300 No. Not after-- not after everything happened. 318 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,700 'Cause he, well, once everything started to happen... 319 00:12:42,700 --> 00:12:44,800 No. When he gave you the $400 check, 320 00:12:44,900 --> 00:12:47,767 and the $400 check was returned, 321 00:12:47,867 --> 00:12:50,066 and you said, "I will replace it once I get to work", 322 00:12:50,066 --> 00:12:52,467 - there is more than one check here. - Mm-hmm. 323 00:12:52,567 --> 00:12:54,367 Why did you continue to deposit checks? 324 00:12:54,367 --> 00:12:57,867 Well, when they all came back to me, about all negative this, 325 00:12:57,867 --> 00:13:00,600 I was, like, "OK, what's going on?" 326 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,667 I checked and it said how the checks were bad. 327 00:13:03,767 --> 00:13:05,200 Again, I didn't know that they were bad. 328 00:13:05,300 --> 00:13:09,100 {\an8}So, when I saw, I was, like, OK, I had to find a way to pay it back, 329 00:13:09,100 --> 00:13:11,033 {\an8}so, you know, my great-grandmother won't get mad, 330 00:13:11,133 --> 00:13:12,667 {\an8}and no one else will have to get involved. 331 00:13:12,767 --> 00:13:15,667 Do you want to tell me how much you owe the bank? 332 00:13:15,767 --> 00:13:18,800 {\an8}OK, Your Honor, um, I went to the bank on the 23rd. 333 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:20,667 {\an8}[Judy] No, just tell me how much you owe to the bank. 334 00:13:20,767 --> 00:13:24,800 It's 3,600. That's what they had... did. 335 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,633 - [Judy] OK. - At this time, I've been paying on it. 336 00:13:27,633 --> 00:13:30,767 At this time, it's 2,300 and some change. 337 00:13:30,767 --> 00:13:33,467 [sobbing] I'm sorry. 338 00:13:33,467 --> 00:13:34,533 [Judy] All right, you've been paying on it? 339 00:13:34,633 --> 00:13:35,800 Yes, ma'am. 340 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,500 And it started at $3,600. 341 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:39,667 Yes, ma'am. 342 00:13:39,767 --> 00:13:43,800 Did your great-granddaughter pay you any money towards it? 343 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,033 - No, she did not. - [Judy] Why not? 344 00:13:46,133 --> 00:13:48,333 Well, I was gonna pay it back, 345 00:13:48,433 --> 00:13:51,133 but then she had my Aunt Janea come into my house, 346 00:13:51,133 --> 00:13:52,467 and take a lot of my electronics. 347 00:13:52,467 --> 00:13:54,300 ♪ 348 00:13:55,867 --> 00:13:58,367 I would've said to myself, "Self, this doesn't look right. 349 00:13:58,467 --> 00:14:01,667 I don't know", or "I have to ask my father 350 00:14:01,667 --> 00:14:04,066 who's writing all these checks. 351 00:14:04,166 --> 00:14:05,700 She's somebody he works for? 352 00:14:05,700 --> 00:14:08,367 Or is it somebody whose checks he stole?" 353 00:14:08,367 --> 00:14:09,867 ♪ 354 00:14:13,533 --> 00:14:15,934 ♪ 355 00:14:19,900 --> 00:14:24,066 {\an8}[narrator] Maude Gatlin is accusing her 18-year-old great-granddaughter, 356 00:14:24,166 --> 00:14:28,500 {\an8}Angelina Marshall, of cashing fraudulent checks with her account. 357 00:14:28,867 --> 00:14:32,033 Angelina claims her electronics were sold 358 00:14:32,033 --> 00:14:33,200 to pay for the debt. 359 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,367 Now, she took what electronics? 360 00:14:35,367 --> 00:14:37,500 She took, um, three of our TVs. 361 00:14:37,500 --> 00:14:39,834 [Judy] Now, you bought those TVs with this money? 362 00:14:39,834 --> 00:14:43,166 No, all the stuff that she took was bought way before any of this happened. 363 00:14:43,166 --> 00:14:45,000 My Play-- my PlayStation, 364 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:46,734 my daughter's tablet, 365 00:14:46,834 --> 00:14:48,500 my, um, Apple laptop, 366 00:14:48,500 --> 00:14:49,934 my daughter's laptop, 367 00:14:50,033 --> 00:14:52,867 two of my speakers, and three of our TVs. 368 00:14:52,867 --> 00:14:54,567 And did she sell them, do you know? 369 00:14:54,667 --> 00:14:57,266 {\an8}Uh, from what I know, I know she probably sold a little bit of it, 370 00:14:57,367 --> 00:14:58,567 {\an8}I'm not really sure. 371 00:14:58,667 --> 00:15:00,767 {\an8}[Judy] Well, then, I think that that's something you have to take up, 372 00:15:00,767 --> 00:15:02,100 {\an8}you can take that up with your aunt. 373 00:15:02,100 --> 00:15:06,166 And that's how we start putting some of the money into the bank, 374 00:15:06,266 --> 00:15:08,667 of the $430. 375 00:15:08,767 --> 00:15:10,500 It was from some of the electronics. 376 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:14,433 OK. So, with regard to the $3,900, 377 00:15:14,433 --> 00:15:16,000 you paid off $400? 378 00:15:16,100 --> 00:15:19,800 No, the 30, it was, it was $3,600, 379 00:15:19,900 --> 00:15:22,567 and when I seen it that day, 380 00:15:22,567 --> 00:15:25,667 I looked on my phone, it was 3,000 and something dollars. 381 00:15:25,767 --> 00:15:28,233 I went to the bank and asked them, 382 00:15:28,233 --> 00:15:31,000 "What in the world is going on with my account?" 383 00:15:31,100 --> 00:15:33,100 No, I got exactly what happened and I've laid it out. 384 00:15:33,100 --> 00:15:35,567 After you sold the electronics 385 00:15:35,567 --> 00:15:38,433 that your daughter took... 386 00:15:38,433 --> 00:15:40,500 - Yes, Janea. - [Judy] That your daughter took 387 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:42,066 - from their house, - [Maude] Mm-hmm. 388 00:15:42,066 --> 00:15:43,500 - [Judy] and you sold them...? - I did. 389 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:45,633 [Judy] How much were you able to put in the bank 390 00:15:45,734 --> 00:15:47,000 with the sold electronics? 391 00:15:47,100 --> 00:15:50,133 It was 430, and she didn't take it. 392 00:15:50,233 --> 00:15:51,934 She was told to take it. 393 00:15:51,934 --> 00:15:53,433 [Judy] I don't care whether she took it or, 394 00:15:53,433 --> 00:15:54,633 - it doesn't matter to me. - [Maude] OK. 395 00:15:54,734 --> 00:15:56,667 - $430. - [Maude] Mm-hmm. 396 00:15:56,767 --> 00:16:00,066 {\an8}And they deleted all of my different accounts 397 00:16:00,166 --> 00:16:02,533 {\an8}that I had within my account 398 00:16:02,633 --> 00:16:05,000 {\an8}of $103... 399 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,200 {\an8}and... um... 400 00:16:07,300 --> 00:16:10,233 {\an8}$107.53. 401 00:16:10,333 --> 00:16:12,066 I had other little accounts that... 402 00:16:12,166 --> 00:16:14,133 [Judy] Just a second, you owed $3,600. 403 00:16:14,133 --> 00:16:16,500 - Yes, that's what the bank said... - [Judy] Just a second... 404 00:16:16,500 --> 00:16:20,066 and you put back in, to satisfy the bad checks, 405 00:16:20,166 --> 00:16:23,300 - $430? - Exactly. 406 00:16:23,300 --> 00:16:26,567 So, what's owed to you is $3,200? 407 00:16:26,667 --> 00:16:28,133 $3,270. 408 00:16:28,133 --> 00:16:31,233 And then I put another hundred dollars on it 409 00:16:31,333 --> 00:16:33,367 in December because of the fact 410 00:16:33,467 --> 00:16:36,200 the credit people came to me and told me 411 00:16:36,300 --> 00:16:38,133 - if I don't put something... - [Judy] No, no, no, 412 00:16:38,133 --> 00:16:39,834 I just want to know what's left, 413 00:16:39,834 --> 00:16:42,700 - [Maude] OK. - what's left after the 430? 414 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:44,867 - [Maude] OK, as of... - Shh! What? 415 00:16:44,967 --> 00:16:48,400 - Thirty-one seventy. - Thirty-one sev, thirty-one seventy. 416 00:16:48,500 --> 00:16:50,467 - Thank you. - 3,600 minus the 430. 417 00:16:50,467 --> 00:16:51,967 Yeah. Great. Thank you. 418 00:16:51,967 --> 00:16:53,734 [Maude] OK, as of today, 419 00:16:53,834 --> 00:16:58,233 - it's $2,252 and four cents. - [Judy] Ms. Gatlin, 420 00:16:58,333 --> 00:17:00,633 - I am going to make you whole. - [Maude] OK. 421 00:17:00,734 --> 00:17:02,767 Not the money that you paid in yourself. 422 00:17:02,867 --> 00:17:04,433 - OK. - [Judy] What I want to know is, 423 00:17:04,533 --> 00:17:06,867 how much money you paid in? 424 00:17:06,867 --> 00:17:10,200 {\an8}- Zero. - No, I did pay some in, 425 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,800 {\an8}put in some of my paychecks that did go through at the time 426 00:17:12,900 --> 00:17:15,200 {\an8}after everything happened, 'cause I did continue working. 427 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:16,433 [Judy] No, these were bad checks. 428 00:17:16,533 --> 00:17:18,967 These were the bad checks that are owed, $3,600. 429 00:17:19,066 --> 00:17:21,300 Yes, but I did put a little bit money in. 430 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,800 - Well, how much? - Only one of my checks went in, 431 00:17:23,900 --> 00:17:26,300 which was probably not even worth $100... 432 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:27,867 [Judy] Well, I'm not interested in it. 433 00:17:27,867 --> 00:17:30,066 - [Judy] Then I'm not interested. - It was $62, to be exact. 434 00:17:30,066 --> 00:17:31,300 - [Judy] Shh! Shh. - Sorry. 435 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:32,300 [Judy] I'm not interested in it. 436 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,967 Virtually no money, with the exception of perhaps one paycheck, 437 00:17:36,066 --> 00:17:38,300 which amounted to about $100, 438 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,033 - was put in by you? - Yes. 439 00:17:40,033 --> 00:17:41,133 - [Judy] Is that right? - Yes. 440 00:17:41,233 --> 00:17:42,633 [Judy] OK. So the question is, 441 00:17:42,734 --> 00:17:46,033 whether I believe that, a) you knew, 442 00:17:46,033 --> 00:17:48,066 or should've known, that these were bad checks. 443 00:17:48,066 --> 00:17:50,300 And I think you're a pretty smart girl. 444 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,266 Given your father's history, he gives you these checks, 445 00:17:53,367 --> 00:17:55,700 two in one day, one's for $1,200, 446 00:17:55,700 --> 00:17:58,033 one's for $600, one's for $300, 447 00:17:58,033 --> 00:18:00,500 you'd say, "Dad, where'd you get this money from?" 448 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,367 And if you're putting your money into the bank, 449 00:18:03,467 --> 00:18:06,533 your money from work, which is a very good thing, that's fine, 450 00:18:06,633 --> 00:18:08,433 but I'm gonna save up that money, 451 00:18:08,433 --> 00:18:09,800 I'm not gonna buy electronics, 452 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,200 I'm not gonna buy anything else for the house, 453 00:18:12,300 --> 00:18:14,500 what I'm going to do is save that money, 454 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:15,800 or at least see what happens with it. 455 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:17,700 So, I would've said to myself, 456 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:19,433 "Self, this doesn't look right. 457 00:18:19,433 --> 00:18:22,800 I don't know," or "I have to ask my father 458 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:24,533 who's writing all these checks? 459 00:18:24,633 --> 00:18:26,367 She's somebody he works for? 460 00:18:26,467 --> 00:18:28,533 Or is it somebody whose checks he stole?" 461 00:18:28,633 --> 00:18:30,333 - Do you understand? - Yes, Your Honor. 462 00:18:30,433 --> 00:18:33,533 Great. Judgment for the plaintiff in the amount of $3,170. 463 00:18:33,633 --> 00:18:35,367 Thank you very much. We're done. 464 00:18:35,467 --> 00:18:36,667 [bailiff] This court is adjourned. 465 00:18:36,767 --> 00:18:38,934 ♪ 466 00:18:38,934 --> 00:18:41,967 {\an8}What they did to us was way worse than what I did to them. 467 00:18:41,967 --> 00:18:43,433 {\an8}It was very hurtful, 468 00:18:43,433 --> 00:18:46,867 {\an8}[sobbing] and I'm still in the stress mode about it. 469 00:18:46,967 --> 00:18:48,867 {\an8}They took all of--all of our electronics, 470 00:18:48,967 --> 00:18:51,333 {\an8}our TVs, my PlayStation, laptops and speakers. 471 00:18:51,433 --> 00:18:53,700 {\an8}The truth is, I have a video showing that my niece 472 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:57,333 {\an8}actually voluntarily gave me all the electronics to be taken care of. 473 00:18:57,433 --> 00:18:59,533 {\an8}She said she was gonna do it, and she wasn't gonna do it. 474 00:18:59,633 --> 00:19:01,767 {\an8}Which is the reason why I took the items 475 00:19:01,867 --> 00:19:03,533 {\an8}to have everything taken care of for my mom. 476 00:19:03,533 --> 00:19:05,900 {\an8}My thing is, the property that they, she took, 477 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,900 {\an8}it-- we bought that couple of years back. 478 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,266 {\an8}And that shouldn't had nothing to do with what's going on now. 479 00:19:11,367 --> 00:19:13,266 {\an8}We're not happy people, and you know, to be honest with you, 480 00:19:13,367 --> 00:19:15,767 {\an8}because of the fact that they did my-- our mother like this, 481 00:19:15,867 --> 00:19:17,600 {\an8}we don't have anything to do with them. 482 00:19:17,700 --> 00:19:20,600 {\an8}Well, all I can say is, she'll never see me or my child again. 483 00:19:20,700 --> 00:19:22,867 {\an8}And that's-- and that's generations going out of her life 484 00:19:22,867 --> 00:19:25,834 {\an8}over some petty stuff that could've been dealt with easily. 485 00:19:25,834 --> 00:19:28,834 {\an8}I don't know if it can be solved. God will be that answer. 486 00:19:28,834 --> 00:19:31,433 {\an8}Don't do your family wrong, even as much as you love 'em, 487 00:19:31,533 --> 00:19:34,600 {\an8}'cause they raised me, with her, ever since I was four, 488 00:19:34,700 --> 00:19:36,200 {\an8}and they still did me wrong growing up, 489 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:37,700 {\an8}and they still did me wrong today. 490 00:19:37,700 --> 00:19:39,433 {\an8}You can't trust anyone in your family, 491 00:19:39,533 --> 00:19:41,400 {\an8}but that doesn't mean don't do 'em wrong. 492 00:19:41,500 --> 00:19:44,400 {\an8}[sobbing] Because I never thought my family would do this to me. 493 00:19:45,867 --> 00:19:49,567 Another great lesson in the dangers of co-signing anything. 494 00:19:49,667 --> 00:19:51,433 For a car, for a dog, 495 00:19:51,533 --> 00:19:54,600 for a bank account, because I'm sure the great-grandmother plaintiff 496 00:19:54,700 --> 00:19:57,934 would not have accepted checks from her previous son-in-law. 497 00:19:58,033 --> 00:19:59,767 - Oh. - Knowing his background, 498 00:19:59,867 --> 00:20:02,433 and knowing at--at least she would've asked a follow-up question. 499 00:20:02,533 --> 00:20:04,200 - That's right. - So, I understand 500 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,867 the daughter's position of, "Hey, I know what he's been involved in, 501 00:20:06,867 --> 00:20:09,100 I don't want to be involved," but if that's your stance, 502 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,533 you can't benefit from taking checks that you know are probably dirty. 503 00:20:12,533 --> 00:20:16,900 So, and unfortunately, the grandmother didn't get a crash course from us 504 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,200 on the dangers of co-signing on a bank account. 505 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,066 'Cause they can not only, evidently, go into your bank, 506 00:20:22,166 --> 00:20:24,033 - Yeah. - that particular account, 507 00:20:24,033 --> 00:20:26,266 but they can attach any account... 508 00:20:26,367 --> 00:20:29,400 Like she said, they drained all of her other accounts 509 00:20:29,500 --> 00:20:31,834 to fulfill the debt, so there's real dangers in co-signing, 510 00:20:31,834 --> 00:20:34,066 even with someone that you love, like your great-granddaughter. 511 00:20:34,166 --> 00:20:35,433 - Yeah. 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