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So, you have a joint savings account
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with you and your great-grandmother.
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- Yes.
- You have checks that are made out
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to you, from a person
that you don't know!
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- Umm...
- Yes, ma'am.
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I didn't know that they were bad.
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You're not a stupid person? Right?
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This is Judy Justice.
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Maude Gatlin is suing
her great-granddaughter,
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{\an8}Angelina Marshall,
and her daughter,
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{\an8}Angela Norrie,
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{\an8}for writing fraudulent checks.
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Court, come to order. All rise.
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Have a seat, please.
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Hello, Judge.
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Case 2169,
Gatlin versus Marshall and Norrie.
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- Thank you.
- You're welcome.
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- Ms. Gatlin?
- Right here.
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Who's Marshall?
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Me.
This is your grandmother?
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Great-grandmother...
Great-grandmother?
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Yes, Your Honor.
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Would you have a seat for a moment?
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Me?
Yes.
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Thank you.
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And this is your...?
My great-aunt.
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Your first name is Angelina?
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Yes, Your Honor.
And you said
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- that this was your great-aunt?
- No. She's my great-grandmother,
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and then, the other lady is my great-aunt.
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No, no... who is the plaintiff?
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My great-grandmother.
Oh, that what it says
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in the complaint, I didn't understand it
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when you said, "That was my great-aunt."
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Sorry.
OK. How old are you today?
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{\an8}I'm 18.
When did you turn 18?
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{\an8}September 24th.
Prior to your turning 18,
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{\an8}you had a job?
Yes.
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- Doing what?
- Being a food associate worker.
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How long were you working there?
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I was there for five months.
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And how much were you making an hour?
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Seventeen dollars.
Who were you living with?
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My great-- mm, sorry, my grandmother.
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And, Ms. Gatlin,
is Ms. Norrie your daughter?
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{\an8}Yes, she's my oldest daughter. Yes.
That's what I thought.
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{\an8}Because you were working,
you wanted to start a bank account?
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Yes. Yes, Your Honor.
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And you asked your great-grandmother
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whether she could help you do that,
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because you needed a co-signer?
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Um, no, she actually offered if...
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OK, well, tell me about it.
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Well, I was helping her move some stuff
into our apartment,
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and then, um...
You were helping her
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- with...?
- I was helping her move some of her stuff
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into our apartment,
'cause at the, at the current time,
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she needed to live with us,
and I was helping her out...
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Your great-grandmother
was going to be living with you?
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Yes.
And what month was that?
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June.
June of...?
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2022.
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So you were helping her move
some of the things into your house?
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Yes.
And?
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And, well, we were at the bank,
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so she wanted to withdraw some money for,
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well, I don't know, really,
know what she was doing,
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but I was just riding around with her.
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You a working lady, or were you?
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Yes, I do work, Your Honor.
For whom?
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I work for Secure Tech.
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And that's where
you deposit your paychecks?
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Yes, my paychecks
are directly deposited, that is correct.
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OK, so now you're traveling
with your great-grandmother, around,
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and she had to make,
go in and make a deposit?
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Mm-hmm.
Or a withdrawal.
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Yes.
And?
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Well, um, I was sitting there
waiting for her to finish,
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and, um, well, while we were waiting
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for a teller to open up for her,
before she went outside,
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uh, she asked me if I would like
to open a--a savings account.
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And, um, well, I really didn't need one,
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but I was, like, yeah, sure, so I can
at least have my checks go somewhere.
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Well, what were you doing
with your checks before that?
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Um, I would just take them to the bank.
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Is that where the bank
that they were drawn on?
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Yes.
OK. So you were taking them
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- to the bank that they were drawn on,
- Yes.
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to cash? OK.
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But this was a more convenient bank?
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{\an8}Um, yes. She said it would help me
with my credit, so I'm, like, yeah, sure.
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{\an8}Since she wants to help out.
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OK.
So, you had some paychecks
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- that you were putting in there?
- Yes.
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Those are not the checks
that are at issue.
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How long did you put your paychecks
into the bank,
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that was now a joint savings account
with you and your great-grandmother,
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starting in June?
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Excuse me? What?
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It actually started in May, Your Honor.
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May of 2022?
- Y-Yes. And, um,
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to go back a little bit, Angelina, yes,
I was living with my oldest daughter.
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Angelina came to me one night
and she said, "Granny,"
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she said, "Can you help me
open a bank account?"
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And I said, "Well, we'll see."
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So, she happened to be with me
that particular day,
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when I went to take care
of a transaction.
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And I said, "Hey, let's see
if we can open your--your account,
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that you asked me about."
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And the young lady asked her
how old she was.
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She said 17.
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She said, "Well, unfortunately,
you can't open an account."
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- She said, "But you..."
- You have to-- you have to--
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need a co-signer.
Yeah. She said, "Ms. Gatlin?"
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She said, "Since you've been
banking with us for a while,
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Angelina can open up a junior account
on your account."
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So I said, "Oh, OK."
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- Great. So, it was opened in May.
- It was opened in May.
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Great.
- May the 11th.
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And you put
your paychecks in there?
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- Yes.
- And you withdrew from your paychecks
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what you needed to live?
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Yes.
Is that what happened?
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- Yes, Your Honor.
- But then there came some checks
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that you weren't quite sure
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of how they originated?
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They were not your paychecks?
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What checks were those?
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Um, they were some checks
that a family member gave to me...
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No, no, not a family member.
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Not a family member.
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Your father gave to you?
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Yes.
When did your father
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give you these checks?
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I'm... gonna say maybe July?
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{\an8}I'm not too sure...
When did you see
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{\an8}- your father?
- I, well, he's in and out
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{\an8}of our lives a lot, we never really
talked to him when he was around.
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{\an8}But, um, maybe about...
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No, no, look at me,
and tell me how it is
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that your father gave you checks,
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which turned out to be bad,
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to put in your account,
your bank account?
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Well, he was just trying to help out...
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No, not just trying to help out.
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I want you to tell me
where you received the checks,
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what he said to you
when he gave you the checks,
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and I assume he did not
give you the checks
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all at one time?
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No, he didn't.
He gave them to you
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- intermittently?
- Yes.
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So tell me
when he gave you the first check.
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Was that in July?
Yes.
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Where was he?
- Um, we were at my house.
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- With?
- My grandmother.
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With your grandmother?
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She likes him?
Yes.
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And what happened
when he was at your house...
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Well, um...
- in July?
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Well, he came over to check us--
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to check up on us, the family.
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And he's, like, um, "Angelina,
do you need some money?"
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I said, "Yeah, Dad,
to help out with the bills."
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He's like, "OK, here, cash this,"
and like...
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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What happened when your grandmother
told you that the checks were bad?
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I was, like, OK, I didn't know, 'cause
I was trying to get into my account.
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I didn't know about it.
I'm like, OK, she said,
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"Are you gonna pay it
so it won't come back on me?"
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I'm like, "Yes, I will pay it."
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You're talking very fast.
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Maude Gatlin claims
her 18-year-old great-granddaughter,
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{\an8}Angelina Marshall, used her account
to cash fraudulent checks.
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OK. Now, according to you,
your father's been in and out of prison?
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- Yes.
- How long had he been out of prison
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when he came to the house?
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I'm gonna be honest, I don't know,
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'cause he's honestly
been in and out of jail a lot.
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So I don't really keep track
of how many times he gets out and in.
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Well, I'm just asking,
when he came to your house in July,
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had he been in jail in June?
In April?
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I-- April.
He'd been in jail in April?
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- In May?
- No. He was not in jail.
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Where was he working?
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Um, he was actually,
he wasn't working anywhere.
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He wasn't working in May?
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No. He does his own thing.
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What does-- I don't know what that means.
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Me, either.
I don't know [mumbling]...
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Was he working in May?
Was he working in June?
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Mmm, no.
When you say
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he was doing his own thing,
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this "own thing" that he was doing,
did not produce paychecks?
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{\an8}To be-- I don't
get into my father's business,
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{\an8}so I wouldn't know.
So you took these checks...
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Do you have a copy of the check?
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Anybody have a copy
of the first check from...
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I only have one.
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Um, four of them is there.
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Well, first of all,
I don't see any signature on here.
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On the first one, there isn't,
uh, uh, on, on the 3560,
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uh, Your Honor...
No, on 600,
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Six hundred, twelve hundred...
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There isn't any signature on any of them.
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It's just that she wrote her name on it,
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and--and, screenshot them
into the account.
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Now...
And I do have the breakdown.
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I'm sorry?
Just a second.
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I do have these checks
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starting to be deposited
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in August, one on the 11th,
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two written to you on the 16th,
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from a Suzanne,
and they're made out to you.
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- Right?
- Yes.
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You're not a stupid person, right?
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No.
I want you to tell me
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who Suzanne is.
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I--I--I wouldn't know.
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My dad, I swear,
my dad just gave them to me
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and told me to cash 'em.
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Well, Ms. Marshall, you have checks
that are made out to you
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{\an8}from a person that you don't know!
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{\an8}Not from one of your work checks,
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{\an8}it's made out to you, it's signed
by somebody who you work for.
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It indicates the number of hours
on the stub,
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do you know what I'm talking about?
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Yes.
This is written by somebody
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that you have no idea who it is.
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Now, a person with a modicum
of intelligence
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that has an unsigned check
would say,
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"Who is Suzanne?"
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Are you telling me
that you didn't ask that question?
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No.
No.
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Now, when you signed the checks,
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because they had to be signed, right?
Yes.
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Whose name did you sign?
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My name.
Well, the checks
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are made out to you,
which means you could've cashed them.
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Am I missing something?
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So her name was DocuSigned
on these checks?
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And she merely endorsed them?
242
00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:53,800
Is that what you're telling me?
243
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Basically, what I'm seeing,
from what the bank tells me,
244
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{\an8}she put her name on it, put the amount
that she wanted to withdraw,
245
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{\an8}did a screen shot, and got the money.
246
00:10:04,266 --> 00:10:07,333
OK. Now. OK.
There did come a time
247
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when you found out
that these checks
248
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were bad checks?
249
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Mm-hmm
Right?
250
00:10:13,967 --> 00:10:15,500
Yes.
And that they were going
251
00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:19,567
to hold your great-grandmother
responsible for those checks,
252
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because you already took out the cash.
253
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And you spent it.
254
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All of it.
255
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Not your pay.
You may have taken out your pay, too.
256
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I'm gonna ask you
a very serious question:
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Did you give your father
258
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any portion of the checks
that he gave you?
259
00:10:34,934 --> 00:10:37,000
Did he say to you,
260
00:10:37,100 --> 00:10:39,967
"Well, this is work that I did
for this woman,
261
00:10:40,066 --> 00:10:41,633
so, if you cash them,
262
00:10:41,734 --> 00:10:44,433
you can give me some,
and you can keep the rest"?
263
00:10:44,433 --> 00:10:47,433
Think carefully
before you answer my question.
264
00:10:47,433 --> 00:10:49,467
No, Your Honor.
So, he just said to you,
265
00:10:49,567 --> 00:10:52,667
"Take these blank checks,
fill them in, and deposit them"?
266
00:10:52,767 --> 00:10:56,066
{\an8}No, he-- he's the one that filled them in,
he told me this, I'm, like,
267
00:10:56,066 --> 00:10:58,633
{\an8}I looked at him, like,
"Dad, are you sure?"
268
00:10:58,734 --> 00:11:00,667
{\an8}He's, like,
"Trust me, Lina, they're fine."
269
00:11:00,667 --> 00:11:02,066
I'm like...
270
00:11:02,166 --> 00:11:04,734
Well, why--why would you trust him?
What does he go to jail for?
271
00:11:04,834 --> 00:11:06,900
Way different stuff from...
272
00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:08,533
Sounds like a dreamboat.
273
00:11:08,633 --> 00:11:10,900
Well, so now I'm going to ask you:
274
00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,567
You took this money out,
and what did you do with it?
275
00:11:13,667 --> 00:11:16,700
{\an8}Paid bills, bought stuff I needed
for my daughter.
276
00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,667
Like what?
- Diapers, clothes, shoes...
277
00:11:19,667 --> 00:11:21,367
You know, saving.
278
00:11:21,467 --> 00:11:23,300
Just, uh, in case I needed
some more stuff for her,
279
00:11:23,300 --> 00:11:24,400
but I really didn't save.
280
00:11:24,500 --> 00:11:27,333
Took her to places,
just to get her out of the house.
281
00:11:27,333 --> 00:11:29,000
And... well...
282
00:11:29,834 --> 00:11:32,200
Well, what happened
when your grandmother told you
283
00:11:32,300 --> 00:11:33,400
that the checks were bad?
284
00:11:33,500 --> 00:11:36,200
Did she tell you it one time
that all the checks were bad,
285
00:11:36,300 --> 00:11:38,233
or did she tell you
over a series of times?
286
00:11:38,333 --> 00:11:40,066
She only, she told me twice.
Twice?
287
00:11:40,166 --> 00:11:42,400
The first time it was
400-something dollars, I was, like, OK,
288
00:11:42,500 --> 00:11:44,700
I didn't know, 'cause I was trying
to get into my account,
289
00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,066
I didn't know about it, I'm, like,
OK, she's like, "Are you gonna pay it
290
00:11:47,166 --> 00:11:49,700
so it won't come back on me?"
I'm, like, "Yes, I will pay it..."
291
00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,066
You're talking very fast. Sorry.
292
00:11:52,166 --> 00:11:53,967
I said to my grandmother,
or my grandmother said to me,
293
00:11:53,967 --> 00:11:56,834
"Four hundred dollars is,
they're discounting
294
00:11:56,834 --> 00:11:58,033
because it was a bad check,"
295
00:11:58,133 --> 00:11:59,967
and that must've been
one of the first checks.
296
00:12:00,100 --> 00:12:01,567
Yes.
And you said?
297
00:12:01,567 --> 00:12:04,800
I said, "I will pay it back
once my next paycheck goes through."
298
00:12:04,900 --> 00:12:06,734
You will pay back what?
299
00:12:06,734 --> 00:12:10,100
The 400... I'm not, not exact
how much it was,
300
00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,767
but I know it was 400...
OK. So now you know
301
00:12:12,867 --> 00:12:15,433
that the checks that your father
was giving you were bad.
302
00:12:15,533 --> 00:12:16,467
Yes.
303
00:12:16,567 --> 00:12:18,533
That's with only $400 in it.
304
00:12:18,533 --> 00:12:20,033
'Cause you said to her,
"Well, I'll pay you back,"
305
00:12:20,033 --> 00:12:22,467
'cause you've been using that money
to take care of you.
306
00:12:22,567 --> 00:12:24,367
Yes.
In addition to the money
307
00:12:24,367 --> 00:12:26,100
- that you're earning.
- Yes.
308
00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:29,233
You were using the money
that your great-grandmother was earning
309
00:12:29,233 --> 00:12:30,433
to take care of you.
310
00:12:30,533 --> 00:12:32,600
So, now you find out
that the checks are bad,
311
00:12:32,700 --> 00:12:34,433
but your father gives you other checks.
312
00:12:34,533 --> 00:12:36,433
Did your father give you other checks?
313
00:12:36,533 --> 00:12:39,300
No.
Not after-- not after everything happened.
314
00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,700
'Cause he, well, once everything
started to happen...
315
00:12:42,700 --> 00:12:44,800
No. When he gave you the $400 check,
316
00:12:44,900 --> 00:12:47,767
and the $400 check was returned,
317
00:12:47,867 --> 00:12:50,066
and you said, "I will replace it
once I get to work",
318
00:12:50,066 --> 00:12:52,467
- there is more than one check here.
- Mm-hmm.
319
00:12:52,567 --> 00:12:54,367
Why did you continue to deposit checks?
320
00:12:54,367 --> 00:12:57,867
Well, when they all came back to me,
about all negative this,
321
00:12:57,867 --> 00:13:00,600
I was, like, "OK, what's going on?"
322
00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,667
I checked and it said
how the checks were bad.
323
00:13:03,767 --> 00:13:05,200
Again, I didn't know that they were bad.
324
00:13:05,300 --> 00:13:09,100
{\an8}So, when I saw, I was, like,
OK, I had to find a way to pay it back,
325
00:13:09,100 --> 00:13:11,033
{\an8}so, you know, my great-grandmother
won't get mad,
326
00:13:11,133 --> 00:13:12,667
{\an8}and no one else will have to get involved.
327
00:13:12,767 --> 00:13:15,667
Do you want to tell me
how much you owe the bank?
328
00:13:15,767 --> 00:13:18,800
{\an8}OK, Your Honor, um,
I went to the bank on the 23rd.
329
00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:20,667
No, just tell me
how much you owe to the bank.
330
00:13:20,767 --> 00:13:24,800
It's 3,600.
That's what they had... did.
331
00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,633
OK.
- At this time, I've been paying on it.
332
00:13:27,633 --> 00:13:30,767
At this time, it's 2,300 and some change.
333
00:13:30,767 --> 00:13:33,467
I'm sorry.
334
00:13:33,467 --> 00:13:34,533
All right, you've been paying on it?
335
00:13:34,633 --> 00:13:35,800
Yes, ma'am.
336
00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,500
And it started at $3,600.
337
00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:39,667
Yes, ma'am.
338
00:13:39,767 --> 00:13:43,800
Did your great-granddaughter
pay you any money towards it?
339
00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,033
No, she did not.
Why not?
340
00:13:46,133 --> 00:13:48,333
Well, I was gonna pay it back,
341
00:13:48,433 --> 00:13:51,133
but then she had my Aunt Janea
come into my house,
342
00:13:51,133 --> 00:13:52,467
and take a lot of my electronics.
343
00:13:55,867 --> 00:13:58,367
I would've said to myself,
"Self, this doesn't look right.
344
00:13:58,467 --> 00:14:01,667
I don't know",
or "I have to ask my father
345
00:14:01,667 --> 00:14:04,066
who's writing all these checks.
346
00:14:04,166 --> 00:14:05,700
She's somebody he works for?
347
00:14:05,700 --> 00:14:08,367
Or is it somebody whose checks he stole?"
348
00:14:19,900 --> 00:14:24,066
Maude Gatlin is accusing
her 18-year-old great-granddaughter,
349
00:14:24,166 --> 00:14:28,500
{\an8}Angelina Marshall, of cashing
fraudulent checks with her account.
350
00:14:28,867 --> 00:14:32,033
Angelina claims her electronics were sold
351
00:14:32,033 --> 00:14:33,200
to pay for the debt.
352
00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,367
Now, she took what electronics?
353
00:14:35,367 --> 00:14:37,500
She took, um, three of our TVs.
354
00:14:37,500 --> 00:14:39,834
Now, you bought
those TVs with this money?
355
00:14:39,834 --> 00:14:43,166
No, all the stuff that she took was bought
way before any of this happened.
356
00:14:43,166 --> 00:14:45,000
My Play-- my PlayStation,
357
00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:46,734
my daughter's tablet,
358
00:14:46,834 --> 00:14:48,500
my, um, Apple laptop,
359
00:14:48,500 --> 00:14:49,934
my daughter's laptop,
360
00:14:50,033 --> 00:14:52,867
two of my speakers,
and three of our TVs.
361
00:14:52,867 --> 00:14:54,567
And did she sell them, do you know?
362
00:14:54,667 --> 00:14:57,266
{\an8}Uh, from what I know, I know
she probably sold a little bit of it,
363
00:14:57,367 --> 00:14:58,567
{\an8}I'm not really sure.
364
00:14:58,667 --> 00:15:00,767
Well, then, I think
that that's something you have to take up,
365
00:15:00,767 --> 00:15:02,100
{\an8}you can take that up with your aunt.
366
00:15:02,100 --> 00:15:06,166
And that's how we start putting
some of the money into the bank,
367
00:15:06,266 --> 00:15:08,667
of the $430.
368
00:15:08,767 --> 00:15:10,500
It was from some of the electronics.
369
00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:14,433
OK. So, with regard to the $3,900,
370
00:15:14,433 --> 00:15:16,000
you paid off $400?
371
00:15:16,100 --> 00:15:19,800
No, the 30, it was, it was $3,600,
372
00:15:19,900 --> 00:15:22,567
and when I seen it that day,
373
00:15:22,567 --> 00:15:25,667
I looked on my phone,
it was 3,000 and something dollars.
374
00:15:25,767 --> 00:15:28,233
I went to the bank and asked them,
375
00:15:28,233 --> 00:15:31,000
"What in the world is going on
with my account?"
376
00:15:31,100 --> 00:15:33,100
No, I got exactly what happened
and I've laid it out.
377
00:15:33,100 --> 00:15:35,567
After you sold the electronics
378
00:15:35,567 --> 00:15:38,433
that your daughter took...
379
00:15:38,433 --> 00:15:40,500
Yes, Janea.
That your daughter took
380
00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:42,066
from their house,
Mm-hmm.
381
00:15:42,066 --> 00:15:43,500
and you sold them...?
- I did.
382
00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:45,633
How much
were you able to put in the bank
383
00:15:45,734 --> 00:15:47,000
with the sold electronics?
384
00:15:47,100 --> 00:15:50,133
It was 430, and she didn't take it.
385
00:15:50,233 --> 00:15:51,934
She was told to take it.
386
00:15:51,934 --> 00:15:53,433
I don't care whether she took it or,
387
00:15:53,433 --> 00:15:54,633
it doesn't matter to me. OK.
388
00:15:54,734 --> 00:15:56,667
$430.
Mm-hmm.
389
00:15:56,767 --> 00:16:00,066
{\an8}And they deleted
all of my different accounts
390
00:16:00,166 --> 00:16:02,533
{\an8}that I had within my account
391
00:16:02,633 --> 00:16:05,000
{\an8}of $103...
392
00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,200
{\an8}and... um...
393
00:16:07,300 --> 00:16:10,233
{\an8}$107.53.
394
00:16:10,333 --> 00:16:12,066
I had other little accounts that...
395
00:16:12,166 --> 00:16:14,133
Just a second, you owed $3,600.
396
00:16:14,133 --> 00:16:16,500
Yes, that's what the bank said...
Just a second...
397
00:16:16,500 --> 00:16:20,066
and you put back in,
to satisfy the bad checks,
398
00:16:20,166 --> 00:16:23,300
- $430?
- Exactly.
399
00:16:23,300 --> 00:16:26,567
So, what's owed to you is $3,200?
400
00:16:26,667 --> 00:16:28,133
$3,270.
401
00:16:28,133 --> 00:16:31,233
And then I put another
hundred dollars on it
402
00:16:31,333 --> 00:16:33,367
in December because of the fact
403
00:16:33,467 --> 00:16:36,200
the credit people came to me and told me
404
00:16:36,300 --> 00:16:38,133
if I don't put something...
No, no, no,
405
00:16:38,133 --> 00:16:39,834
I just want to know what's left,
406
00:16:39,834 --> 00:16:42,700
OK.
- what's left after the 430?
407
00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:44,867
OK, as of...
- Shh! What?
408
00:16:44,967 --> 00:16:48,400
- Thirty-one seventy.
- Thirty-one sev, thirty-one seventy.
409
00:16:48,500 --> 00:16:50,467
- Thank you.
- 3,600 minus the 430.
410
00:16:50,467 --> 00:16:51,967
Yeah. Great. Thank you.
411
00:16:51,967 --> 00:16:53,734
OK, as of today,
412
00:16:53,834 --> 00:16:58,233
it's $2,252 and four cents.
Ms. Gatlin,
413
00:16:58,333 --> 00:17:00,633
I am going to make you whole. OK.
414
00:17:00,734 --> 00:17:02,767
Not the money that you paid in yourself.
415
00:17:02,867 --> 00:17:04,433
OK.
What I want to know is,
416
00:17:04,533 --> 00:17:06,867
how much money you paid in?
417
00:17:06,867 --> 00:17:10,200
{\an8}- Zero.
- No, I did pay some in,
418
00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,800
{\an8}put in some of my paychecks
that did go through at the time
419
00:17:12,900 --> 00:17:15,200
{\an8}after everything happened,
'cause I did continue working.
420
00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:16,433
No, these were bad checks.
421
00:17:16,533 --> 00:17:18,967
These were the bad checks
that are owed, $3,600.
422
00:17:19,066 --> 00:17:21,300
Yes, but I did put
a little bit money in.
423
00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,800
- Well, how much?
- Only one of my checks went in,
424
00:17:23,900 --> 00:17:26,300
which was probably
not even worth $100...
425
00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:27,867
Well, I'm not interested in it.
426
00:17:27,867 --> 00:17:30,066
Then I'm not interested.
- It was $62, to be exact.
427
00:17:30,066 --> 00:17:31,300
Shh! Shh.
- Sorry.
428
00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:32,300
I'm not interested in it.
429
00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,967
Virtually no money, with the exception
of perhaps one paycheck,
430
00:17:36,066 --> 00:17:38,300
which amounted to about $100,
431
00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,033
- was put in by you?
- Yes.
432
00:17:40,033 --> 00:17:41,133
Is that right?
- Yes.
433
00:17:41,233 --> 00:17:42,633
OK. So the question is,
434
00:17:42,734 --> 00:17:46,033
whether I believe that,
a) you knew,
435
00:17:46,033 --> 00:17:48,066
or should've known,
that these were bad checks.
436
00:17:48,066 --> 00:17:50,300
And I think you're a pretty smart girl.
437
00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,266
Given your father's history,
he gives you these checks,
438
00:17:53,367 --> 00:17:55,700
two in one day, one's for $1,200,
439
00:17:55,700 --> 00:17:58,033
one's for $600, one's for $300,
440
00:17:58,033 --> 00:18:00,500
you'd say, "Dad, where'd you get
this money from?"
441
00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,367
And if you're putting your money
into the bank,
442
00:18:03,467 --> 00:18:06,533
your money from work,
which is a very good thing, that's fine,
443
00:18:06,633 --> 00:18:08,433
but I'm gonna save up that money,
444
00:18:08,433 --> 00:18:09,800
I'm not gonna buy electronics,
445
00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,200
I'm not gonna buy anything else
for the house,
446
00:18:12,300 --> 00:18:14,500
what I'm going to do is save that money,
447
00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:15,800
or at least see what happens with it.
448
00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:17,700
So, I would've said to myself,
449
00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:19,433
"Self, this doesn't look right.
450
00:18:19,433 --> 00:18:22,800
I don't know," or "I have to ask my father
451
00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:24,533
who's writing all these checks?
452
00:18:24,633 --> 00:18:26,367
She's somebody he works for?
453
00:18:26,467 --> 00:18:28,533
Or is it somebody whose checks he stole?"
454
00:18:28,633 --> 00:18:30,333
- Do you understand?
- Yes, Your Honor.
455
00:18:30,433 --> 00:18:33,533
Great. Judgment for the plaintiff
in the amount of $3,170.
456
00:18:33,633 --> 00:18:35,367
Thank you very much.
We're done.
457
00:18:35,467 --> 00:18:36,667
This court is adjourned.
458
00:18:38,934 --> 00:18:41,967
{\an8}What they did to us was way worse
than what I did to them.
459
00:18:41,967 --> 00:18:43,433
{\an8}It was very hurtful,
460
00:18:43,433 --> 00:18:46,867
and I'm still
in the stress mode about it.
461
00:18:46,967 --> 00:18:48,867
{\an8}They took all of--all of our electronics,
462
00:18:48,967 --> 00:18:51,333
{\an8}our TVs, my PlayStation,
laptops and speakers.
463
00:18:51,433 --> 00:18:53,700
{\an8}The truth is, I have a video
showing that my niece
464
00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:57,333
{\an8}actually voluntarily gave me
all the electronics to be taken care of.
465
00:18:57,433 --> 00:18:59,533
{\an8}She said she was gonna do it,
and she wasn't gonna do it.
466
00:18:59,633 --> 00:19:01,767
{\an8}Which is the reason why I took the items
467
00:19:01,867 --> 00:19:03,533
{\an8}to have everything
taken care of for my mom.
468
00:19:03,533 --> 00:19:05,900
{\an8}My thing is, the property
that they, she took,
469
00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,900
{\an8}it-- we bought that couple of years back.
470
00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,266
{\an8}And that shouldn't had nothing to do
with what's going on now.
471
00:19:11,367 --> 00:19:13,266
{\an8}We're not happy people, and you know,
to be honest with you,
472
00:19:13,367 --> 00:19:15,767
{\an8}because of the fact
that they did my-- our mother like this,
473
00:19:15,867 --> 00:19:17,600
{\an8}we don't have anything to do with them.
474
00:19:17,700 --> 00:19:20,600
{\an8}Well, all I can say is,
she'll never see me or my child again.
475
00:19:20,700 --> 00:19:22,867
{\an8}And that's-- and that's generations
going out of her life
476
00:19:22,867 --> 00:19:25,834
{\an8}over some petty stuff
that could've been dealt with easily.
477
00:19:25,834 --> 00:19:28,834
{\an8}I don't know if it can be solved.
God will be that answer.
478
00:19:28,834 --> 00:19:31,433
{\an8}Don't do your family wrong,
even as much as you love 'em,
479
00:19:31,533 --> 00:19:34,600
{\an8}'cause they raised me, with her,
ever since I was four,
480
00:19:34,700 --> 00:19:36,200
{\an8}and they still did me wrong
growing up,
481
00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:37,700
{\an8}and they still did me wrong today.
482
00:19:37,700 --> 00:19:39,433
{\an8}You can't trust anyone in your family,
483
00:19:39,533 --> 00:19:41,400
{\an8}but that doesn't mean don't do 'em wrong.
484
00:19:41,500 --> 00:19:44,400
Because I never thought
my family would do this to me.
485
00:19:45,867 --> 00:19:49,567
Another great lesson in the dangers
of co-signing anything.
486
00:19:49,667 --> 00:19:51,433
For a car, for a dog,
487
00:19:51,533 --> 00:19:54,600
for a bank account, because I'm sure
the great-grandmother plaintiff
488
00:19:54,700 --> 00:19:57,934
would not have accepted checks
from her previous son-in-law.
489
00:19:58,033 --> 00:19:59,767
- Oh.
- Knowing his background,
490
00:19:59,867 --> 00:20:02,433
and knowing at--at least
she would've asked a follow-up question.
491
00:20:02,533 --> 00:20:04,200
- That's right.
- So, I understand
492
00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,867
the daughter's position of,
"Hey, I know what he's been involved in,
493
00:20:06,867 --> 00:20:09,100
I don't want to be involved,"
but if that's your stance,
494
00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,533
you can't benefit from taking checks
that you know are probably dirty.
495
00:20:12,533 --> 00:20:16,900
So, and unfortunately, the grandmother
didn't get a crash course from us
496
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,200
on the dangers of co-signing
on a bank account.
497
00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,066
'Cause they can not only, evidently,
go into your bank,
498
00:20:22,166 --> 00:20:24,033
- Yeah.
- that particular account,
499
00:20:24,033 --> 00:20:26,266
but they can attach any account...
500
00:20:26,367 --> 00:20:29,400
Like she said, they drained
all of her other accounts
501
00:20:29,500 --> 00:20:31,834
to fulfill the debt,
so there's real dangers in co-signing,
502
00:20:31,834 --> 00:20:34,066
even with someone that you love,
like your great-granddaughter.
503
00:20:34,166 --> 00:20:35,433
- Yeah. You're right.
- Yeah.
504
00:20:37,033 --> 00:20:38,934
Are you having a family dispute?
505
00:20:39,033 --> 00:20:41,166
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