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{\an8}The investment that went south.
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Where did you put that money, sir?
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It was a friend of a friend,
his name was Scott.
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Scott what?
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I, I can't remember his last name.
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My friend introduced me to Scott.
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What's your friend's name?
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His name is John.
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This is Judy Justice.
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{\an8}Jennifer Anderton
is suing her former friend,
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{\an8}James Sorensen, for personal training,
and a fraudulent investment.
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Court come to order. All rise.
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Have a seat, please.
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Case 2125,
Anderton versus Sorensen.
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- Thank you.
- You're welcome.
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Ms. Anderton,
your case against the defendant
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is two-fold: first,
you claim a loan to him
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in the amount of $10,000.
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And while he doesn't deny
that you gave him $10,000,
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it is his defense that this
was not a loan, but an investment
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in a project that went south.
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It went south
because somebody conned him,
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and thus, you were conned as well.
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Somebody took off with the money.
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{\an8}The second part of your lawsuit
is that Mr. Sorensen is a trainer
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{\an8}of some sort, a personal trainer,
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{\an8}fitness trainer, and you retained him
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{\an8}to put you on some sort
of a regimen of both diet and exercise.
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{\an8}And you paid him in advance.
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He wasn't forthcoming
with all of the training sessions
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he was supposed to give you,
became unavailable,
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you want a refund of some of that money.
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So, the first thing I'm going to deal with
in your lawsuit
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is the $10,000 exchange of money.
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If I find that that,
in fact, was a loan,
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or was fraudulently entered into
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as a result of being duped
and being a dope,
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then I'm going to give you back the money.
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Then I don't have to get to the training,
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because that's the limit
of my jurisdiction.
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- Do you understand?
- I understand.
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OK, great.
How did you meet him?
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Um, I met him on a dating site, actually.
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- When?
- Early June 2021.
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Did you date?
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{\an8}We befriended each other,
and after our first meeting,
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{\an8}that is when I had, I had just
come off of a ventilator of 10 days.
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{\an8}I was a nurse, contracted Covid.
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He actually came to my home and said,
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"I could really help you
get back to where you were."
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I needed rehab.
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OK. So, after the first meeting,
you were not dating?
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- No.
- Is that right, sir?
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- That's correct.
- And that was in June of 2021?
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- Yes.
- When did you, Mr. Sorensen,
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tell Ms. Anderton
about this investment opportunity?
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{\an8}Uh, it was about a month into, uh...
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{\an8}- So, four weeks later?
- Right.
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Four weeks later,
you became close enough
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to discuss with her
a business opportunity.
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- Yes.
- And did you discuss
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this business opportunity with her
in her home or over the phone?
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In her home.
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So I want you to tell me
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your version of exactly
what you told her.
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{\an8}So I had a friend, uh, come to me, and...
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{\an8}You had a friend whose name is...?
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{\an8}Uh, his name's Scott.
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Scott, what?
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I, I can't remember
his last name.
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I don't believe you.
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- OK.
- If it's true...
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- Mm-hmm?
- If it's true,
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then it didn't happen.
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If it's true that you can't remember
his last name,
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it's because he doesn't exist.
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Well, he does exist.
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Oh, sir, you didn't
give all that money to somebody
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whose last name you don't know.
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- I want you to understand that.
- OK.
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Then you're looking at me and saying
I must have "stupid"
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written on my forehead.
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You don't look like a stupid man.
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- Absolutely not.
- Yeah, you look like
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you could be a, a cunning man,
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but you don't look like a stupid man.
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So, if Scott doesn't have a last name,
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he didn't exist.
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I want you to tell me that's in my brain.
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In my brain is, if you can't come up
with a first and last name
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of somebody that you gave
thousands of dollars to,
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- he didn't exist.
- OK. In your mind.
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Keep going.
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I'm not gonna keep going
and dig any holes,
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I'm just telling you
what, what the facts are.
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No, those aren't facts, sir.
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That's a fantasy.
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You know, you're not mentally challenged
in any way, are you?
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- No.
- I want to tell you,
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if I told my 9-year-old grandchild...
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- Mm-hmm.
- ...who asked me for $100
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because she wanted to invest it
with a friend,
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I would say, "What's the friend's name?"
"I don't know."
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I'd say, "I'm not giving you $100
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to invest with somebody whose name
you don't know!"
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{\an8}Because I'm absolutely positive
that if you said that to her,
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{\an8}she would've said,
"Well, what's this person's name?"
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I want you to tell me now, Mr. Sorensen,
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what was the investment?
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It was for, it was for happy pills.
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- It was for what?
- Happy pills.
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- Don't look at me.
- Happy?
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- Did you say "happy pills"?
- Yes.
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OK. Tell me about it.
Tell me what you told her.
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"You want to invest in happy pills?"
And what did she say to you?
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Did she say, "I'm a nurse, you know,
so I'm an educated person.
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What's wrong with you?"
OK. Keep going.
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Keep going.
"I want to invest in happy pills."
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- Right.
- Your friend, your friend, "Scott"...
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Yeah, it was a friend
of a friend. his name was Scott. OK?
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And he introduced me to him,
and said that, hey, he, he...
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Scott introduced you to somebody else?
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No, my friend introduced me to Scott.
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I didn't know his last name, but we knew
that he was in the industry...
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Your... OK.
So your friend introduced you to Scott?
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- Yes.
- What's your friend's name?
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His name is John.
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I promise.
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Where does he live?
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He lives in Salt Lake.
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What's his telephone number?
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I have no idea
what his telephone number is.
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Just a second.
Get out your phone, and tell me
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what your friend's telephone number is.
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Everybody has
their friend's number in their phone.
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I don't know what his telephone number is.
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Then, do you see why
I don't believe you, sir?
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- It's not...
- Do you understand
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why I'm having a problem
with your story?
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- It's OK.
- Do you understand?
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So, a friend, whose number
you don't have in your phone,
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wanted to introduce you to somebody
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whose name you don't know,
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to invest in happy pills.
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And this is what you told her?
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No, I'm asking a question.
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Is this what you told her?
"I have a friend..."
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- Yes, this is what I told him...
- "John...
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- "I have a friend, John...
- Mm-hmm.
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"who knows a guy, Scott,
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who has this company
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that's gonna make happy pills."
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I just want to know if that's what
you're trying to tell me
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that you told this woman?
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I am.
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It's OK.
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I don't know why she would make up
that story that my parents gave me...
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no...
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She's not making up the story.
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You're making up the story.
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- OK.
- And if I'm wrong about this,
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I actually don't feel badly, sir,
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because, then you're the dope
that got duped.
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And later today...
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You devalued her car while you had it.
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Yeah, okay.
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You used the car for two
and a half years, that was running.
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It stopped running
because the engine was blown.
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Yes.
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And then you stopped
making the payments on it.
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- Yes.
- Yeah!
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{\an8}Jennifer Anderton
claims her former friend, James Sorensen,
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{\an8}owes her for a fake $10,000 investment.
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OK. Keep going.
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Do you know what happy pills are?
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- I assume that they make you happy.
- Right.
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Yeah, they are. It's Molly.
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I assume that they make you happy.
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- Yeah.
- Right?
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And so he went around to festivals,
and he sold Molly there.
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- He sold what?
- Molly. Molly, Molly.
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- Mollies?
- MDMA.
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- It's an illegal drug.
- Oh.
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OK. So you told her you wanted her
to make an investment
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with you, with a big return
on your money...
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We talked about this for, um, a long time.
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- Who did?
- Me and...
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You can't have talked about it
for a long time.
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- You only knew her four weeks.
- OK.
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You only knew her four weeks.
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Tell me about this $10,000.
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Did you take it out of a savings account?
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- Do you have that from the bank?
- Yeah.
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I'd like to take a look at it.
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You want to tell me, Ms. Anderton,
the circumstances
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surrounding you
transferring $10,000 to him?
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Um, he approached me
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saying that he needed
a hard money loan for his business.
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{\an8}He had an e-commerce business
with supplements.
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{\an8}Um, his father and mother
had given him the loans in the past,
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{\an8}for the past five years,
and they've gotten a good return.
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{\an8}It was a for-sure deal, he goes around,
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and they, this is
their festival project time.
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{\an8}- They make a lot of money doing this.
- What does he do?
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- For supplements.
- So he sells supplements?
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- Yes.
- And it was his business?
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- Mm-hmm.
- Did, not "uh-huh."
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- Yes.
- Yes.
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Did he ever mention a guy Scott to you?
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- No.
- It was his business?
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- Yes.
- And he said
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that his parents
had helped him out in the past?
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Had invested with him in the past?
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So, now I understand
a little bit better,
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I see the withdrawal for $10,000.
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So tell me why he needed
a "hard money loan"?
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{\an8}To buy the product to take to these,
uh, festivals
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{\an8}- and, um...
- Sell them.
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- Sell them. Yeah, so...
- OK.
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So, he needed it for product.
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And when did he tell you
that he was gonna return this money?
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Within a week or two.
That it was a week or two of festivals,
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this was the busy season,
he does this every year,
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and this is a for-sure return.
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And if I did this much amount of money,
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five thousand, this is how much
I'd get back.
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If I did 10,000, it would be
a $15,000 return for me.
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And I'm, like, wow, I could pay off
my student loans,
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I could, yes, do a lot with that.
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OK. So to synthesize
what you've told me,
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he told you that this was an investment
in his company...
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- A loan.
- A loan.
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Excuse me. A loan for his company,
for product, so that he could go out
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sell them for the next several weeks,
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- Correct.
- and you would get a return
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of 15 percent on your money...
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- Fifty percent. So, at ten...
- Fifty?
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- Mm-hmm.
- Five-zero?
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- Mm-hmm.
- Sounds too good to be true.
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- Yeah.
- It was nothing to do with the company.
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The Venmo transfer of $2,000
was to him in June?
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June 16th of '21.
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And a withdrawal of $8,000.
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- Same day.
- OK.
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Now, where did you put that money, sir?
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- I gave it to Scott.
- OK.
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OK.
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I want to tell you, Mr. Sorensen...
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You have parents who gave you money?
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- They have in the past.
- Just a second.
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Not as, not as she was saying.
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So you had parents
that gave you money?
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They did not ever give me money
for my business, ever.
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What did they give you money for?
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Christmas?
256
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{\an8}They never, they never
financed for me for anything in my life.
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- Nothing.
- Then you lied...
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I don't know why she would make up
that story that my parents gave me...
259
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No, no, no, no, no.
She's not making up the story.
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- You're making up the story.
- OK.
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And if I'm wrong about this,
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I actually don't feel badly, sir,
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because then you're the dope
that got duped.
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- Oh, absolutely...
- Then, just a second,
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then, if you gave money
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to John, to Scott,
then you're the dope that got duped,
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because they were your friends.
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That's, that's all I have to tell you.
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- I understand.
- That's all. Judgment for the plaintiff
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in the amount of $10,000.
We're finished, thank you.
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This court is adjourned.
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I think it was, uh... I think it was fair.
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I think that was a fair judgment.
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We both understood
what we were getting into.
275
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No. Not until after, like,
three or four months,
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and I think he brought that up
in fear of me going to the police.
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Time to part ways and definitely
learning curves on both, both ends.
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Don't do silly things, it was definitely
a learning curve.
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I'm glad that, uh, you know, things,
you know, happened the way they did.
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Something I'll never do again.
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I'd be a little more careful
with your money and your investments,
282
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and don't trust everybody.
283
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I'm so, I'm too trusting.
284
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I just find it very funny
that his entire business plan,
285
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venture, business venture,
was selling illegal drugs at festivals.
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That was the only plan.
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That was the whole venture.
288
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- There is no...
- Is that, that's really what he said.
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Whether it was Scott, whether it was John,
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- whether it was...
- But that was the business plan,
291
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that's... happy pills.
Thank you, by the way,
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for explaining what that was to me.
293
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I didn't understand at first, either.
294
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But when he said--
he said, "Molly at festivals,"
295
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I'm pretty sure that's illegal.
296
00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,300
- I'm pretty sure that's not a business.
- Right.
297
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- So, I'm glad she got her money back.
- Me too.
298
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Me too. It was a ridiculous...
299
00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:45,500
There was a couple dopes
getting duped in that situation.
300
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You're absolutely right.
301
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Case 2107.
Breland versus Shinaul.
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All parties, please step forward.
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Cashannah and Michael Breland
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{\an8}are suing Cashannah's stepdad,
Harry Shinaul,
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00:11:57,934 --> 00:12:00,533
{\an8}for car repairs and damaged credit.
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00:12:00,533 --> 00:12:03,467
Ms. Breland, this is your stepfather?
307
00:12:03,467 --> 00:12:04,567
- Yes.
- That's your dad.
308
00:12:04,567 --> 00:12:06,633
- Yes.
- This is your claim:
309
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he needed a car because his car,
which was an old Cadillac,
310
00:12:09,633 --> 00:12:11,300
was going in for repair.
311
00:12:11,300 --> 00:12:16,233
Your dad had bought you a car
in 2018.
312
00:12:16,233 --> 00:12:19,667
- Yes.
- And when he bought you this car in 2018,
313
00:12:19,667 --> 00:12:22,200
it was a 2013 car
314
00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,767
that you kept '18, '19, and '20?
315
00:12:25,767 --> 00:12:30,066
{\an8}The vehicle, no. I had the vehicle
from 2018 to July 2019.
316
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{\an8}So, just for one year?
317
00:12:31,367 --> 00:12:34,867
Yeah, July in 2019 was when
I made the agreement to, um,
318
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give the vehicle to... him.
319
00:12:36,867 --> 00:12:38,467
OK.
You made the agreement
320
00:12:38,467 --> 00:12:41,300
to give it to your stepfather
321
00:12:41,300 --> 00:12:44,333
with a proviso because
you were buying a new car, another car...
322
00:12:44,333 --> 00:12:46,367
- Yes.
- according to you,
323
00:12:46,367 --> 00:12:50,333
that he would take over the payments
on the car, because there was a loan...
324
00:12:50,333 --> 00:12:51,500
- Yeah.
- ...on the car...
325
00:12:51,500 --> 00:12:54,066
...that you were paying off,
and that your father...
326
00:12:54,066 --> 00:12:56,100
- ...was a signatory on.
- Yes.
327
00:12:56,100 --> 00:12:58,266
And you have children,
and I don't know why this car
328
00:12:58,266 --> 00:12:59,467
was no good for you anymore,
329
00:12:59,467 --> 00:13:03,100
but you said you got another car
because of your children.
330
00:13:03,100 --> 00:13:06,300
Yes, I got another vehicle
because I had an additional son,
331
00:13:06,300 --> 00:13:08,867
and it just wasn't enough room
for three kids.
332
00:13:08,867 --> 00:13:10,000
What kind of car is it?
333
00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,133
It was a GMC Terrain.
334
00:13:12,133 --> 00:13:13,633
It's an SUV five-passenger,
335
00:13:13,633 --> 00:13:16,033
but, um, I felt like I needed
a little bit more room,
336
00:13:16,033 --> 00:13:17,567
so I ended up getting a seven-passenger.
337
00:13:17,567 --> 00:13:19,200
- That way, I could have the third row.
- OK.
338
00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,600
So, according to you, the arrangement
was he would take over the payments
339
00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,700
on the car, and the car would be
turned over to him
340
00:13:25,700 --> 00:13:29,066
soon as the title was, soon as he finished
making the payments on the car.
341
00:13:29,066 --> 00:13:30,867
- Yes.
- Was that your agreement
342
00:13:30,867 --> 00:13:32,700
- with him?
- Yes, that was our agreement.
343
00:13:32,700 --> 00:13:37,033
And he did make payments
on the car in 2019,
344
00:13:37,033 --> 00:13:40,066
2020, 2021,
and according to you,
345
00:13:40,066 --> 00:13:43,300
he stopped making payments
in 2022.
346
00:13:43,300 --> 00:13:44,800
What month in 2022?
347
00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,800
{\an8}January 2022 was the last payment
I received.
348
00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:51,166
{\an8}As a result of which,
both of your credits were at risk.
349
00:13:51,166 --> 00:13:53,934
He dropped the car off
at some relative's house,
350
00:13:53,934 --> 00:13:55,000
because the engine was blown,
351
00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,166
he had to tow it
to some relative's house,
352
00:13:57,166 --> 00:13:58,900
and stopped making the payments.
353
00:13:58,900 --> 00:14:00,367
Yes, that is correct.
354
00:14:00,367 --> 00:14:03,333
Your stepfather says,
well, that really wasn't the agreement.
355
00:14:03,333 --> 00:14:05,800
{\an8}My Cadillac wasn't working,
it was in the shop
356
00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:09,767
{\an8}in 2019, and the agreement was,
while the car was in the shop,
357
00:14:09,767 --> 00:14:13,700
{\an8}I would use your car
and pay you $225 a month
358
00:14:13,700 --> 00:14:16,367
{\an8}for it, but as soon as my car
was out of the shop,
359
00:14:16,367 --> 00:14:17,934
{\an8}you would take the car back.
360
00:14:17,934 --> 00:14:19,100
That's what you say, sir?
361
00:14:19,100 --> 00:14:23,367
Yes. Yeah, I would it back
until my car got fixed,
362
00:14:23,367 --> 00:14:25,734
and the only reason it took so long
to get fixed 'cause of the pandemic,
363
00:14:25,734 --> 00:14:28,700
- you know? And...
- Why?
364
00:14:28,700 --> 00:14:31,133
People couldn't go into their garage
to fix a car?
365
00:14:31,133 --> 00:14:32,934
{\an8}Uh, yes, they probably could,
366
00:14:32,934 --> 00:14:36,734
{\an8}but at that time,
I really didn't have the money
367
00:14:36,734 --> 00:14:38,734
{\an8}- to go and pay for it, so I...
- Well, that's--
368
00:14:38,734 --> 00:14:40,900
{\an8}well, that's your problem.
369
00:14:40,900 --> 00:14:43,300
- I understand that, but...
- Well, that's your problem.
370
00:14:43,300 --> 00:14:45,667
So, the car was fixed,
but you didn't have the money
371
00:14:45,667 --> 00:14:46,867
to go and pick up the car?
372
00:14:46,867 --> 00:14:48,400
No, it wasn't fixed.
373
00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:50,800
- Oh.
- So, I, I didn't have them fix it
374
00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:54,734
until I be able to get the money
to go have it fixed.
375
00:14:54,734 --> 00:14:57,300
Did you explain that to her, sir,
when she gave you the car?
376
00:14:57,300 --> 00:15:00,967
No. See, my agreement
thought I was gonna keep the car
377
00:15:00,967 --> 00:15:03,467
till my car gets fixed,
and I would make the monthly payments.
378
00:15:03,467 --> 00:15:05,633
That's what I had... thought.
379
00:15:05,633 --> 00:15:08,100
I understand that, but what...
380
00:15:08,100 --> 00:15:09,633
I understand that...
381
00:15:09,633 --> 00:15:10,700
- OK.
- ...Mr. Shinaul.
382
00:15:10,700 --> 00:15:13,633
- Yes.
- But taking your story,
383
00:15:13,633 --> 00:15:16,233
if my stepfather said to me,
384
00:15:16,233 --> 00:15:18,033
"Listen, I'll take your car,
385
00:15:18,033 --> 00:15:20,233
I have a car that's in the shop,
386
00:15:20,233 --> 00:15:24,000
I'll use it and pay for it
while the car's being fixed,"
387
00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,400
- That's not what...
- In my view,
388
00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,333
that would be, well,
maybe it would take you two weeks,
389
00:15:29,333 --> 00:15:31,800
maybe it would take you a month.
390
00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,367
Maybe it would take you two months.
391
00:15:34,367 --> 00:15:36,500
But it wouldn't take you three years.
392
00:15:36,500 --> 00:15:39,333
Your Honor, what I'm saying,
393
00:15:39,333 --> 00:15:41,734
my car wasn't in the shop,
my car was broke down,
394
00:15:41,734 --> 00:15:45,100
and I told her, uh, I thought
we had an agreement that
395
00:15:45,100 --> 00:15:47,066
me make the payments on that car
396
00:15:47,066 --> 00:15:49,266
till I get ready to get my car...
397
00:15:49,266 --> 00:15:51,600
- You told me that already.
- car fixed.
398
00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,633
But I didn't put it in the shop
till I was able to put it in the shop
399
00:15:54,633 --> 00:15:55,834
to get fixed.
400
00:15:55,834 --> 00:15:59,133
You devalued her car while you had it.
401
00:15:59,133 --> 00:16:02,000
- Yeah, OK. I...
- You devalued the car.
402
00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:03,934
You got a car that was running.
403
00:16:03,934 --> 00:16:07,066
You used the car for two and a half years,
that was running.
404
00:16:07,066 --> 00:16:09,967
It stopped running
because the engine was blown.
405
00:16:09,967 --> 00:16:12,633
- Yes.
- So, it was dead stopped.
406
00:16:12,633 --> 00:16:14,734
You had to have it towed
to somebody's house.
407
00:16:14,734 --> 00:16:15,800
Yes.
408
00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:17,600
And then you stopped
making the payments on it.
409
00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:19,233
- Yes.
- Yeah.
410
00:16:19,233 --> 00:16:21,166
Yeah. I hear what you're saying.
411
00:16:21,166 --> 00:16:22,567
Right.
412
00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:26,166
I think she had a lemon because...
413
00:16:26,166 --> 00:16:28,000
She didn't have a lemon,
you drove it for two years.
414
00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,100
Yes, but I just had got
the oil changed in that car
415
00:16:31,100 --> 00:16:33,333
a month before the engine blew.
416
00:16:33,333 --> 00:16:35,800
- And you drove it for two years.
- Yes.
417
00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:37,467
Well, then it wasn't a lemon.
418
00:16:48,567 --> 00:16:50,767
Cashannah and Michael Breland
419
00:16:50,767 --> 00:16:54,066
{\an8}claim Cashannah's stepdad Harry Shinaul
420
00:16:54,066 --> 00:16:57,166
{\an8}owes for car repairs and damaged credit.
421
00:16:57,166 --> 00:17:00,333
Now, you know,
you have to act not only responsibly,
422
00:17:00,333 --> 00:17:01,900
but it would seem to me, morally.
423
00:17:01,900 --> 00:17:03,734
This is your stepdaughter.
424
00:17:03,734 --> 00:17:05,533
You've known her for a long time.
425
00:17:05,533 --> 00:17:07,033
- Yes.
- She went out,
426
00:17:07,033 --> 00:17:09,100
based upon her agreement with you,
427
00:17:09,100 --> 00:17:10,834
she went out and bought another car.
428
00:17:10,834 --> 00:17:12,700
- Yes.
- Does the other car have a loan?
429
00:17:12,700 --> 00:17:15,166
- Yes.
- Well, now she's stuck with two loans.
430
00:17:15,166 --> 00:17:19,433
And one of them has a car
that you blew the engine on.
431
00:17:19,433 --> 00:17:22,367
I made sure the maintenance
was up on that car.
432
00:17:22,367 --> 00:17:24,266
I think she had a lemon because...
433
00:17:24,266 --> 00:17:26,767
She didn't have a lemon,
you drove it for two years.
434
00:17:26,767 --> 00:17:30,834
{\an8}Yes, but I kept, I just had got
the oil changed in that car
435
00:17:30,834 --> 00:17:32,900
{\an8}a month before the engine blew.
436
00:17:32,900 --> 00:17:35,700
I don't know what, why the engine blew.
437
00:17:35,700 --> 00:17:37,734
How many years did you have the car?
438
00:17:37,734 --> 00:17:39,667
- Two years.
- And you drove it for two years.
439
00:17:39,667 --> 00:17:41,800
- Yes.
- Well, then, it wasn't a lemon.
440
00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:43,400
OK.
441
00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:45,166
How much was left
on the loan of the car?
442
00:17:45,166 --> 00:17:49,166
There is still $3,752.63
443
00:17:49,166 --> 00:17:50,467
owed left on the vehicle.
444
00:17:50,467 --> 00:17:51,967
OK, and where is the car now?
445
00:17:51,967 --> 00:17:54,100
It is parked, um, at a relative's house.
446
00:17:54,100 --> 00:17:56,300
Your problem is, the car is in your name.
447
00:17:56,300 --> 00:17:58,233
So you have to sell the car,
448
00:17:58,233 --> 00:17:59,500
subject to this lien.
449
00:17:59,500 --> 00:18:01,834
You have to be able
to get something for the car.
450
00:18:01,834 --> 00:18:03,734
- Do you understand?
- Yes.
451
00:18:03,734 --> 00:18:05,700
What's the value of that car?
452
00:18:05,700 --> 00:18:08,967
Based on 80,000 miles,
it didn't say in the papers,
453
00:18:08,967 --> 00:18:10,800
but around seven to 9,000.
454
00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,467
And what if it's in very poor condition?
455
00:18:13,467 --> 00:18:15,066
- I have to look into it.
- Take a look and see.
456
00:18:15,066 --> 00:18:17,834
- Because this car so far is not running.
- Yeah.
457
00:18:17,834 --> 00:18:19,400
And it hasn't been running
458
00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:20,934
for almost, now, a year.
459
00:18:20,934 --> 00:18:22,600
Yes, that's correct.
460
00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:24,600
So, at best, you can sell it for scrap.
461
00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:26,867
So, you have to get the car,
and you can scrap it,
462
00:18:26,867 --> 00:18:29,934
'cause nobody's gonna buy it
when they can't drive it.
463
00:18:29,934 --> 00:18:32,967
So Kelley Blue Book
will not provide an estimate
464
00:18:32,967 --> 00:18:35,467
for poor-conditioned vehicles
that are not running
465
00:18:35,467 --> 00:18:36,734
or in poor condition.
466
00:18:36,734 --> 00:18:40,667
But for a fair condition, they say
between five and 6,000.
467
00:18:40,667 --> 00:18:42,166
- Well, this is non-running.
- I know.
468
00:18:42,166 --> 00:18:44,533
- And been not running for a year.
- I can't get an estimate
469
00:18:44,533 --> 00:18:46,734
for a non-running vehicle
from Kelley Blue Book.
470
00:18:46,734 --> 00:18:49,200
So now, now I know
what the parameters are.
471
00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,533
You want to tell me about the,
where this agreement took place
472
00:18:52,533 --> 00:18:53,800
with your stepfather?
473
00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:57,333
{\an8}The agreement took place,
um, at the car lot.
474
00:18:57,333 --> 00:18:59,233
{\an8}'Cause I was in the middle
of getting a new vehicle,
475
00:18:59,233 --> 00:19:01,033
{\an8}so we were at the car lot.
476
00:19:01,033 --> 00:19:03,467
So, that was in 2019.
477
00:19:03,467 --> 00:19:04,767
July 3, 2019.
478
00:19:04,767 --> 00:19:06,600
So, you went with him to get the new car?
479
00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:07,667
- Yes.
- Oh, good.
480
00:19:07,667 --> 00:19:09,166
So tell me about the conversation.
481
00:19:09,166 --> 00:19:10,667
So I asked him, I was, like,
482
00:19:10,667 --> 00:19:14,100
"Hey, do you think that..." Because,
in order for me to get this new vehicle,
483
00:19:14,100 --> 00:19:17,400
they said that I had a,
a debt-to-income ratio thing,
484
00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:19,333
because I couldn't get a new vehicle
485
00:19:19,333 --> 00:19:21,367
with owing money on the other vehicle.
486
00:19:21,367 --> 00:19:23,800
So, I said, "Hey, how does this sound?
487
00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,300
You're down a vehicle
because the engine blew
488
00:19:26,300 --> 00:19:28,266
on your pri, uh, prior vehicle.
489
00:19:28,266 --> 00:19:30,867
How about I give you this car,
490
00:19:30,867 --> 00:19:32,300
you finish making the payments on it,
491
00:19:32,300 --> 00:19:35,367
and then I get my new vehicle."
492
00:19:35,367 --> 00:19:38,767
But in order for me to get my new vehicle,
I needed a co-signer.
493
00:19:38,767 --> 00:19:39,934
So I said, "How about this?
494
00:19:39,934 --> 00:19:45,000
How about you co-sign
on this new vehicle for me..."
495
00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,000
Yes, my stepfather.
"You co-sign on this new vehicle for me,
496
00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,233
"I'll make the payments, like I always do,
497
00:19:50,233 --> 00:19:53,300
and, uh, you just take over the payments
on my GMC Terrain."
498
00:19:53,300 --> 00:19:56,967
{\an8}He said, "OK, yeah, we can do that,
because I need another vehicle."
499
00:19:56,967 --> 00:20:00,433
So, he is the co-signatory
on your new car?
500
00:20:00,433 --> 00:20:03,000
That, at the time,
that was the vehicle that I had.
501
00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,667
I now have a different vehicle.
502
00:20:04,667 --> 00:20:07,300
You mean, in 2019
you had yet another car?
503
00:20:07,300 --> 00:20:09,867
Yes. But I made sure that I paid it off,
504
00:20:09,867 --> 00:20:12,200
and there was no effect to him,
by any means.
505
00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:13,266
- OK...
- Because I knew that,
506
00:20:13,266 --> 00:20:15,734
you know, it wasn't just in my name,
it was in his name, also,
507
00:20:15,734 --> 00:20:17,600
so I didn't want to,
I didn't want to do that to him,
508
00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:21,033
so I made sure that not only
did I pay the vehicle off,
509
00:20:21,033 --> 00:20:23,934
but I got the transmission repaired,
and then I sold it.
510
00:20:23,934 --> 00:20:26,300
So, what does your father
have to do with this case?
511
00:20:26,300 --> 00:20:30,200
So, my father was affected because,
with the payments being late...
512
00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:31,800
The car was in my name, also.
513
00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,166
Oh, so it was in joint names,
you and your daughter?
514
00:20:34,166 --> 00:20:38,367
{\an8}Well, they were supposed to put it
as me the co-signer,
515
00:20:38,367 --> 00:20:41,500
{\an8}- but they put me as the...
- The primary?
516
00:20:41,500 --> 00:20:42,734
{\an8}- Exactly.
- Yes.
517
00:20:42,734 --> 00:20:47,200
OK. All right. Have you been
making the payments since January?
518
00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,166
I was making payments on it
from February to September.
519
00:20:50,166 --> 00:20:51,233
And then what happened?
520
00:20:51,233 --> 00:20:52,867
I couldn't afford
to make the payments anymore.
521
00:20:52,867 --> 00:20:54,934
I'm a single mom of four, four kids.
522
00:20:54,934 --> 00:20:56,133
So, what happened?
523
00:20:56,133 --> 00:20:57,633
So, it's behind now.
524
00:20:57,633 --> 00:20:59,934
Since... September?
525
00:21:00,066 --> 00:21:01,967
Yeah, it's behind since...
526
00:21:01,967 --> 00:21:03,467
September, October, November.
527
00:21:03,467 --> 00:21:05,667
- So it's behind three months?
- Yes.
528
00:21:05,667 --> 00:21:08,166
Have they notified you
that they want to repossess it?
529
00:21:08,166 --> 00:21:11,467
No. They haven't repoed,
they've given us options
530
00:21:11,467 --> 00:21:14,800
to try to "save" our credit after they...
531
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,633
OK, I'd like to see
what those options are.
532
00:21:16,633 --> 00:21:18,567
Did they send it to you in writing?
533
00:21:18,567 --> 00:21:20,867
- Did they send you a letter?
- No, it was verbal, on the phone,
534
00:21:20,867 --> 00:21:24,867
when they called,
and we were discussing other options
535
00:21:24,867 --> 00:21:27,266
that they may offer to...
536
00:21:27,266 --> 00:21:30,600
OK. So, what was the best option
that they offered you?
537
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,867
The best option that they offered
was basically to come up with
538
00:21:33,867 --> 00:21:37,900
about $396 to pay
to get the car now caught up,
539
00:21:37,900 --> 00:21:39,133
because it was four months behind.
540
00:21:39,133 --> 00:21:41,166
The car note's 225 each month.
541
00:21:41,166 --> 00:21:43,767
- So, I wouldn't have got...
- So, they didn't offer you
542
00:21:43,767 --> 00:21:46,066
a whole payout?
They just offered you...
543
00:21:46,066 --> 00:21:47,500
- To catch up.
- To catch up?
544
00:21:47,500 --> 00:21:48,567
- Yes.
- Right.
545
00:21:48,567 --> 00:21:52,567
But still, what's due and owing
on the car is $3,752?
546
00:21:52,567 --> 00:21:54,033
- Yes.
- OK.
547
00:21:54,033 --> 00:21:57,500
And when your stepfather agreed to that,
did he say anything to you
548
00:21:57,500 --> 00:22:00,200
with regard to his Cadillac
going in for service,
549
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,066
and he was gonna just use it
until his Cadillac got...
550
00:22:03,066 --> 00:22:05,333
- No, Your Honor, that is incorrect.
- OK.
551
00:22:05,333 --> 00:22:07,467
You remember going with your stepdaughter,
552
00:22:07,467 --> 00:22:10,800
when she was purchasing a new car
in 2019?
553
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:11,834
Yes, I do.
554
00:22:11,834 --> 00:22:14,700
- Did you co-sign that car for her?
- Yes.
555
00:22:14,700 --> 00:22:17,233
- So, so far, what she says is accurate?
- Yes.
556
00:22:17,233 --> 00:22:20,500
And at that time,
did you take her old car?
557
00:22:20,500 --> 00:22:21,800
- Yes.
- Mm-hmm.
558
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,600
I have no idea
what you can get for this car.
559
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,734
And you know how you relied on him
to be a good guy,
560
00:22:27,734 --> 00:22:29,500
- and to do what he was supposed to do?
- Yeah.
561
00:22:29,500 --> 00:22:34,667
I'm awarding you $3,752.
That's for you to pay off the bank.
562
00:22:34,667 --> 00:22:37,266
And then, I don't think
you can find a buyer for this car,
563
00:22:37,266 --> 00:22:38,300
you may have to scrap it.
564
00:22:38,300 --> 00:22:39,934
- Right?
- Yes.
565
00:22:39,934 --> 00:22:42,734
It's possible that's there's no point
in fixing it.
566
00:22:42,734 --> 00:22:44,967
You're not going to invest
thousands of dollars in fixing it
567
00:22:44,967 --> 00:22:49,433
when it probably is, at best,
worth $5,000.
568
00:22:49,433 --> 00:22:52,567
And if it's gonna cost you $3,000
to try to get it up and running,
569
00:22:52,567 --> 00:22:53,700
- it doesn't pay.
- Eleven thousand.
570
00:22:53,700 --> 00:22:56,033
It doesn't pay.
So, I'm gonna rely on you
571
00:22:56,033 --> 00:22:59,000
to do the right thing.
It sounds as if you, you do that,
572
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,333
that, while I'm awarding you 3,752,
573
00:23:02,333 --> 00:23:04,433
whatever money you get for the car,
574
00:23:04,433 --> 00:23:06,266
goes to him.
Do you understand?
575
00:23:06,266 --> 00:23:09,533
If you scrap it for $70, he gets it.
576
00:23:09,533 --> 00:23:11,467
I don't see that it's worth much more.
577
00:23:11,467 --> 00:23:15,300
I certainly wouldn't invest in a car
that's been sitting dead for a year
578
00:23:15,300 --> 00:23:16,734
with a blown engine.
579
00:23:16,734 --> 00:23:20,400
Judgment for the plaintiff
in the amount of $3,752.
580
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:21,467
We're finished.
581
00:23:21,467 --> 00:23:22,934
This court is adjourned.
582
00:23:24,934 --> 00:23:26,633
I think it was pretty fair.
583
00:23:26,633 --> 00:23:27,734
I think it was very fair.
584
00:23:27,734 --> 00:23:31,900
In my agreement, though, I pay for the car
until I get my car fixed.
585
00:23:31,900 --> 00:23:36,233
I tried multiple times to reach out
to him, and I couldn't get a hold of him,
586
00:23:36,233 --> 00:23:38,767
so it's really sad that I had to,
that it had to come to this.
587
00:23:38,767 --> 00:23:41,433
She had to do what she had to do,
that's all I can say.
588
00:23:41,433 --> 00:23:43,767
I've learned that you can't help anyone,
589
00:23:43,767 --> 00:23:45,100
can't help, not even family.
590
00:23:45,100 --> 00:23:47,734
Time to move on,
go on about my business.
591
00:23:47,734 --> 00:23:51,066
I'm a nice person, so I guess you just,
sometimes can't be nice to everyone.
592
00:23:51,867 --> 00:23:53,066
You know what's so disappointing?
593
00:23:53,066 --> 00:23:55,834
She seems like a very lovely
young lady.
594
00:23:55,834 --> 00:23:58,233
- Yeah.
- Her father seems like a nice man.
595
00:23:58,233 --> 00:24:01,400
He had actually helped her purchase,
the father, the first car,
596
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,166
and I think, co-signed a loan for her
597
00:24:04,166 --> 00:24:08,700
or bought her the car in 2018,
that she then turned over to him.
598
00:24:08,700 --> 00:24:10,667
But he's been her stepfather
for a long time,
599
00:24:10,667 --> 00:24:13,266
how could you be so irresponsible?
600
00:24:13,266 --> 00:24:15,934
And you know she's a single parent
of four children,
601
00:24:15,934 --> 00:24:18,867
who relies a lot on her credit.
602
00:24:18,867 --> 00:24:20,967
- Credit and a car.
- And a car.
603
00:24:20,967 --> 00:24:22,400
- And she's maintained her credit.
- Yes.
604
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,633
Except for the fact that her stepfather
sort of...
605
00:24:24,633 --> 00:24:26,667
- Yeah.
- ...ruined it for her a little.
606
00:24:26,667 --> 00:24:28,734
- He really didn't have a defense.
- No.
607
00:24:28,734 --> 00:24:30,266
I don't think he had a defense.
608
00:24:30,266 --> 00:24:32,166
I don't think that you borrow
somebody's car
609
00:24:32,166 --> 00:24:34,433
until your car is fixed three years later.
610
00:24:34,433 --> 00:24:36,600
I don't think that that's a defense.
611
00:24:38,333 --> 00:24:40,066
Are you having a family dispute?
612
00:24:40,066 --> 00:24:42,433
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