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{\an8}When you brought your daughter
to your mother's house...
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My mom refused to give me
my daughter back.
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And so, what did you do?
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My mother instinct kicked in
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and I went in, like, fight or flight.
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And, um...
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She was not a part of my daughter's life.
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I did not speak to my mother. Nothing.
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This is Judy Justice.
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{\an8}Kimberly Gutierrez is suing
her mother, Rhonda George,
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{\an8}for false allegations,
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debit card charges,
and personal belongings.
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Court come to order. All rise.
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Have a seat, please.
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{\an8}Case 2131. Gutierrez versus George.
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{\an8}- Thank you.
- You're welcome.
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- Ms. Gutierrez, this is your mother?
- Yes, ma'am.
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- And who is this?
- My grandmother.
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- And that's your daughter?
- Yes.
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I'm reading the complaint and the answer,
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and this is what your complaint is about.
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You claim that your mother
had you falsely arrested,
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as a result of which
you spent four months in jail.
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While you were in jail,
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{\an8}it is your claim that your mother
used a debit card of yours,
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{\an8}I think $3,000 worth,
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and you've had some belongings
at her house that you want.
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I gather that you've had
some problems in your own life.
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{\an8}- You have at least three children.
- Yes.
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{\an8}Was the state ever involved
in placing the children in foster care?
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- No.
- And what about your daughter?
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My daughter, yes.
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- And how old is your daughter?
- She's 19 months.
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At what point did the state
become involved with your daughter?
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In May of this year,
May 18th of this year,
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when there were
false allegations made against...
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When my mom refused
to give me my daughter back.
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In May, when...
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You brought your daughter
to your mother's house when?
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I called my brother on May 17th of 2022,
and I asked him to babysit my daughter.
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Your brother?
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And does your brother
live with your mother?
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Yes. He was staying with her at that time.
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So on the 17th, you asked your brother,
who was staying with your mother,
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if he would babysit for your daughter.
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Where were you going?
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I was needing to go to Fresno,
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and I had just received
my income tax check,
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so I needed to go to Fresno,
and I was on foot,
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because my car was
impounded the day prior.
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- Were you going alone?
- To Fresno, yes.
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So, you brought your daughter
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{\an8}on the 17th of May to your mother's house,
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{\an8}and your brother was
supposed to watch him,
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according to you,
while you went to Fresno.
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Yeah, he met me down the street actually
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because there's a restraining order,
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so I didn't actually go to the resident.
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- Who has a restraining order?
- My mother has a restraining order on me.
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Is the restraining order
that she has against you
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a final order or a temporary order?
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It's good for three years.
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- That's all I know.
- That's a final order.
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Was that a final order
of protection after a trial,
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or did you consent to it?
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{\an8}I was not notified of the court date.
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{\an8}I... No, I didn't consent to anything.
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- Okay. So, it was a default.
- I don't know what that means.
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It means you didn't show up,
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and they entered a final order
of protection in favor of your mother,
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so you're not permitted to go to her home.
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Right.
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Since that's not really
the subject of this,
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I don't have to get into it.
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In any event, you went on the 17th,
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you dropped your child off
at your mother's house,
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your brother was there,
and then what happened?
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I finally got to Fresno. I got a ride.
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I had got to the check-cashing place.
It literally took me--
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Don't tell me.
I'm not interested in that.
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17th, you dropped the child off.
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You were supposed
to pick the child up when?
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That evening.
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- On the 17th?
- Yes.
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And did you?
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I showed up about...
it was a little before ten.
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I showed up, I called my brother.
I said, "I'm down the street."
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He was like, "Yeah, I'll be right there."
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Ten o'clock at night?
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It was almost...
Ma'am, I was on foot.
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- And--
- Just a second.
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- I asked you ten o'clock at night?
- It was right before ten, yes.
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Okay.
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When I got there, I called him,
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it had been about 15 minutes had gone by.
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And I called him back,
and I said, "Where are you at?"
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And he said,
"Mom won't let me leave with the baby."
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And I said, "What do you mean?"
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And he said,
"Mom won't let me leave with the baby."
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{\an8}My mother instinct kicked in
and I went in, like, fight-or-flight.
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{\an8}And I walked down to my mom's house,
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and I knocked on the door
and was asking for my daughter.
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- I finally came to my s--
- Okay.
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So, when your brother said that to you,
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instead of going to the police,
you violated the order of protection?
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I ended up leaving
and calling the sheriff.
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Okay, but you didn't, you went to--
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Of course, I was going for my daughter.
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- Yes, ma'am.
- Okay.
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And what happened
at 10 o'clock at night or 10:30?
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Uh, yes.
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I finally realized that about five minutes
of being at the house,
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I was like, "Okay, you need to leave."
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So, I left because she wouldn't open
the door to give my daughter.
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I left. I called the sheriff.
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And so, I told them the situation.
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So, they had walked down to my mother's
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and let her know that what
she was doing was basically--
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No, not what she was doing.
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The police came--
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And told her that they would arrest her.
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And told her that if she did not...
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that she needed
to get my daughter back.
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But because it was late,
the baby was already asleep.
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And so, the cops that came down
backed down to me and they said,
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"Look, we don't," because they knew me--
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Whatever.
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I'm allowing you to give me
a certain amount of hearsay
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so that I could make
this story make sense.
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- Oh, okay.
- Do you understand?
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But don't tell me because they knew you,
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- what they thought.
- Yes, ma'am.
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You were told to come back in the morning.
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{\an8}Yeah. The agreement was that, uh,
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{\an8}between my mom and the sheriff was
I could pick up Malia in the morning.
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The sheriff told me to call
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before six o'clock in the morning,
before he got off his shift
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and that he would come back out
and do another standby.
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The next morning came
between me and my grandma.
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I had us call my mom.
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Just a second.
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What does that mean,
between you and your grandma?
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Your agreement was
you're supposed to call the sheriff.
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- The sheriff--
- I called my grandma.
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No, not the grandma.
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The agreement was you
weren't supposed to call your grandma.
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- You were supposed to call the sheriff.
- I needed a ride.
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I needed a ride, so I called my grandma
to have her come pick me up.
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Just a sec. Where were you?
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I was staying at a friend's house.
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- I didn't live in Selma.
- Wait just a second.
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Just a second.
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You were staying
at what friend's house?
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The sheriff came,
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got behind us
and tried to, like, pin us in,
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and my grandma went to take off.
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- So your grandmother was driving?
- Yes, ma'am.
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And she was trying to evade
the police to go someplace else.
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{\an8}Kimberly Gutierrez claims
her mother, Rhonda George,
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{\an8}owes for debit card charges,
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and personal belongings.
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You were staying at what friend's house?
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My friend Isaiah's.
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Isaiah?
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{\an8}Yes. I stayed the night there
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{\an8}- waiting for my daughter--
- Just a second.
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{\an8}Isaiah?
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{\an8}- Isaiah what?
- Bonia.
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- And what is your relationship with him?
- He's my best friend.
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He's been my best friend
since high school.
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- Where are you living now?
- I live with my grandmother right now.
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{\an8}- Since I released--
- Full-time?
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{\an8}Right now, yes.
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What do you mean "Right now, yes"?
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I'm in the process
of getting my own place.
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Okay. So you called your grandmother.
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- And then?
- Called the sheriff.
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And then?
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Waited for the sheriff to respond.
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And then?
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The sheriff did not respond
for a few hours.
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Okay. So you were waiting
for the sheriff to respond.
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The sheriff did not respond until when?
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It was after seven o'clock in the morning,
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- and it was evenish.
- Seven?
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- Yes, ma'am, 7:00 AM.
- 7:00 AM?
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Your daughter is
according to you, 19-months-old?
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Nineteen-months-old.
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And she had prior
had been living with you.
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Yeah, she was living
with me all the time, yes.
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- She was living with you?
- Yes, ma'am.
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Okay. So now, let's get back
to this arrest that you were at.
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According to your papers,
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your daughter was
with you up until that time.
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What time did she wake up in the morning?
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Uh, usually she wakes up between 7:30
and eight o'clock in the morning.
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Okay. Well, then could you tell me
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why if she wakes up
between 7:30 and 8:00,
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why you would even
contemplate picking her up
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before eight o'clock in the morning?
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Because one of my issues
was with certain officers
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that would've been responding
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and the officer that responded
the night of the incident.
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He told me, "If you wanted me
to be the officer to respond,
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you need to call me
before I get off my shift."
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Fine. But he didn't respond to you.
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- Unfortunately, no.
- And according to you,
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he didn't respond to you.
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- No, it was a different officer.
- So, then my question to you is--
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He did respond
at seven o'clock in the morning.
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- And did what?
- It was a horrible mess.
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Well, he did what?
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They responded.
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When they responded, he showed up.
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The officer told me
that he did not want to be there.
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He said, "If I have my way,
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{\an8}you'll never see your daughter again."
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{\an8}And I looked at him,
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{\an8}- and I said, "Wow..."
- What do you mean you looked at him?
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Where were you when you looked at him?
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I was right next to him, but I just--
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Where? At the precinct or at your house?
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No, down the street from my mom's.
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Okay. So he responded to you
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when you were down the street
at your mother's house
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and he said
"I'm not getting involved in this,
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and if I had my way,
you would never have your daughter."
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And so what did you do?
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So at that point, my grandma pulled up,
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and I said,
"Your assistance is no longer needed,"
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and that, uh, my grandma
could just get my daughter.
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And he says,
"Well, you already called me.
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The deputy did."
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So I said, "Okay, whatever."
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He asked me if I had somewhere
to live and I said, "Yes."
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And... whatever.
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And so he went down to my mom's.
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When he went down to my mom's,
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he was supposed to just
go down there and get my daughter.
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When he was taking too long,
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I could walk so--so far this way,
242
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and I could see
straight down my mom's street.
243
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So I did.
244
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{\an8}When I did, I see that my mom was
out there just giving him an earful.
245
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{\an8}I know this woman very well. Okay?
246
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So I just imagined what
was being said about me.
247
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Well, I guess the back door is screwed
and nailed shut at the house.
248
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I don't know why.
249
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"I don't know why." It's not important.
250
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Okay. Yeah. So anyways,
251
00:09:19,834 --> 00:09:22,734
my best friend went over the back fence.
252
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What do you mean your best friend?
253
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Isaiah Bonia.
254
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Oh, so you brought Isaiah with you.
255
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- He went--
- Just a second.
256
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So you have your grandmother,
257
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and then you got Isaiah, your best friend,
258
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also to go to your mother's house?
259
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Yes, ma'am.
260
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He got my daughter.
261
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Isaiah brought her to where you were?
262
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Yes.
263
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And then what happened?
264
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I started walking back
towards Isaiah's house.
265
00:09:43,467 --> 00:09:45,967
Uh, when I started walking
back towards Isaiah's house,
266
00:09:45,967 --> 00:09:48,467
my grandma pulled up
in her car, and she was like,
267
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"Are you ready to go get
your car out of the impound lot?"
268
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And I said, "Yeah, I'm ready."
269
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And so I got in her backseat
with my daughter.
270
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When I got in the backseat,
I got in the middle.
271
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Well, then she was like,
272
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"Well, I don't know
what's going to happen.
273
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Your mom's over there saying
a whole bunch of stuff to the deputies,
274
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so I don't know what's gonna happen."
275
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And so I was like,
276
00:10:03,233 --> 00:10:04,834
"Well, I have got to go
get my stuff from Isaiah's."
277
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So, I go to jump back out the car.
278
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- As I go to jump back out the car--
- Just a second.
279
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- Now you have your daughter.
- Because I needed my wallet.
280
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My bag was at Isaiah's,
my purse, and everything.
281
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It was at Isaiah's.
282
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I was going to go back and pick it up.
283
00:10:17,467 --> 00:10:19,600
Well, right when we were going to go back,
284
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the sheriff came,
285
00:10:20,633 --> 00:10:23,333
got behind us,
and tried to, like, pin us in,
286
00:10:23,333 --> 00:10:25,133
and my grandma went to take off.
287
00:10:25,233 --> 00:10:27,967
- So your grandmother was driving?
- Yes, ma'am.
288
00:10:27,967 --> 00:10:32,033
And she was trying to evade
the police to go someplace else?
289
00:10:32,033 --> 00:10:32,967
Yes, ma'am.
290
00:10:32,967 --> 00:10:35,200
And how many police cars were involved?
291
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One.
292
00:10:36,233 --> 00:10:38,800
Were there ever any more
than one police car?
293
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Once we got to the police department,
of course, there's a police department.
294
00:10:42,233 --> 00:10:44,967
No, I'm talking
about the number of police cars.
295
00:10:44,967 --> 00:10:47,300
- So there's a police car now.
- Oh, that got behind us? No.
296
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It was just one.
297
00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:49,967
- It was just one?
- Yes, ma'am.
298
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And you were accelerating to get there?
299
00:10:51,734 --> 00:10:52,700
No.
300
00:10:52,700 --> 00:10:55,333
- Was the police car siren on?
- No.
301
00:10:55,333 --> 00:10:57,667
Well, how did you know
that he was trying to pull you over?
302
00:10:57,667 --> 00:10:59,367
Because he tried to hit her car.
303
00:10:59,367 --> 00:11:00,934
Oh, that would give you a clue.
304
00:11:00,934 --> 00:11:03,367
So you're telling me he tried
to hit your grandmother's car
305
00:11:03,367 --> 00:11:06,834
{\an8}without notifying you
in any way to pull over?
306
00:11:06,834 --> 00:11:07,800
{\an8}Yes, ma'am.
307
00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,200
{\an8}That's why I spent four months
in jail and I beat my case.
308
00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,467
I went to trial and beat my case.
Everything was dismissed.
309
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I'm not responsible
for the criminal justice system.
310
00:11:14,967 --> 00:11:17,033
I'm only responsible
for what goes on here.
311
00:11:17,033 --> 00:11:18,033
Yes, ma'am.
312
00:11:18,033 --> 00:11:20,400
So I assume once you
got to the police station,
313
00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:22,233
both you and your grandmother
were arrested?
314
00:11:22,233 --> 00:11:23,166
Yes, ma'am.
315
00:11:23,166 --> 00:11:25,166
- And that was in May?
- Yes, ma'am.
316
00:11:25,166 --> 00:11:27,500
And now we're... Uncross your arms.
317
00:11:27,500 --> 00:11:30,266
- And now we're in December?
- Yes, ma'am.
318
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- Of the same year?
- Yes, ma'am.
319
00:11:32,567 --> 00:11:35,233
- And you are out of jail?
- Yes, ma'am.
320
00:11:35,233 --> 00:11:37,100
You've been out of jail for about...?
321
00:11:37,100 --> 00:11:38,300
Since August 25th.
322
00:11:38,300 --> 00:11:39,467
Who does your daughter live with?
323
00:11:39,467 --> 00:11:42,300
Right now, she, um, she's with the mentor.
324
00:11:42,300 --> 00:11:45,166
She's my ex-husband's aunt, ma'am.
325
00:11:45,166 --> 00:11:46,133
And who placed her
326
00:11:46,133 --> 00:11:48,133
- with your ex-husband's aunt?
- I did.
327
00:11:48,133 --> 00:11:49,033
Not the court?
328
00:11:49,133 --> 00:11:50,667
No, I requested her.
329
00:11:50,667 --> 00:11:53,734
Does the child's great-aunt
have guardianship?
330
00:11:53,734 --> 00:11:56,266
No. I'm getting my daughter back, ma'am.
331
00:11:56,266 --> 00:11:59,433
But for the last three months,
she's been with this aunt?
332
00:11:59,433 --> 00:12:02,433
{\an8}Right. Because Child Protective Services
did get involved.
333
00:12:02,433 --> 00:12:05,033
{\an8}And Child Protective Services,
I've been doing everything that--
334
00:12:05,033 --> 00:12:06,200
That's what I asked you.
335
00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,767
I asked you whether
Child Protective Services were involved.
336
00:12:08,767 --> 00:12:10,000
They did get involved
with my daughter, yes.
337
00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:10,934
It did.
338
00:12:10,934 --> 00:12:11,900
That's what I assumed.
339
00:12:11,900 --> 00:12:13,033
I've been drug testing. I've been doing--
340
00:12:13,033 --> 00:12:13,967
Just a second.
341
00:12:14,066 --> 00:12:15,533
- Yes, ma'am.
- That's what I assumed,
342
00:12:15,533 --> 00:12:17,900
that Child Protective Services
was involved.
343
00:12:17,900 --> 00:12:21,333
And so if Child Protective Services
are involved,
344
00:12:21,333 --> 00:12:26,433
then they are overseeing
the child's placement with the aunt.
345
00:12:26,433 --> 00:12:28,767
- You have an ongoing case?
- Yes, ma'am.
346
00:12:28,767 --> 00:12:29,700
Probate court?
347
00:12:29,700 --> 00:12:30,734
No, not probate.
348
00:12:30,734 --> 00:12:33,066
- Which one? Family court?
- Family court. Yes.
349
00:12:33,066 --> 00:12:35,834
When was the case opened with regard
to your daughter in the family court?
350
00:12:35,834 --> 00:12:37,667
May 18th. The day I got arrested, ma'am.
351
00:12:37,667 --> 00:12:42,400
And that child became involved
with the foster care system in May.
352
00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:43,367
Okay.
353
00:12:43,467 --> 00:12:46,000
So, your grandmother
also spent a little time in jail.
354
00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:47,900
- How much?
- Two weeks.
355
00:12:47,900 --> 00:12:50,266
I quite frankly
don't understand your case.
356
00:12:50,266 --> 00:12:52,834
While I was in jail, Your Honor,
while I was incarcerated,
357
00:12:52,934 --> 00:12:55,734
my mom had all my--my debit cards, my ID.
358
00:12:55,734 --> 00:12:58,200
She had went in, actually,
because of me getting arrested,
359
00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,734
she had went to Isaiah's
and picked up all of my stuff.
360
00:13:00,734 --> 00:13:02,433
You mean... Just a second. Just a second.
361
00:13:02,433 --> 00:13:03,734
Let me understand this.
362
00:13:03,734 --> 00:13:07,800
It is your claim that the reason
that you had to go to Isaiah's house
363
00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:14,100
was to get your pocketbook, your wallet,
your credit card that you left there.
364
00:13:14,100 --> 00:13:16,233
{\an8}- But I never made it there.
- I understand that.
365
00:13:16,233 --> 00:13:20,333
{\an8}And Isaiah clearly, from what you tell me,
366
00:13:20,333 --> 00:13:27,066
knew of the problem because he
was part of this little conspiracy
367
00:13:27,066 --> 00:13:28,800
to get your daughter out of the house
368
00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,834
and was at the back of the house
to pick up your daughter,
369
00:13:31,834 --> 00:13:33,300
who was being put over the fence.
370
00:13:33,300 --> 00:13:37,066
So why would Isaiah give your mother...?
371
00:13:37,066 --> 00:13:39,033
Because she went
over there with a baseball bat
372
00:13:39,033 --> 00:13:40,467
and busted out his windows.
373
00:13:42,700 --> 00:13:45,367
{\an8}On February 4th this year, I had...
374
00:13:47,667 --> 00:13:48,900
{\an8}I lost my twins.
375
00:13:48,900 --> 00:13:50,100
{\an8}Okay?
376
00:13:50,100 --> 00:13:52,400
{\an8}And that was the first time
I had contacted my mother
377
00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:54,066
{\an8}because I was going through it,
378
00:13:54,066 --> 00:13:55,400
{\an8}and I messaged her and I told her,
379
00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:57,200
{\an8}I said, "I really need my mom right now.
380
00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,100
{\an8}If anything, I need my mom right now."
381
00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:15,533
{\an8}Kimberly Gutierrez
is accusing her mother, Rhonda George,
382
00:14:15,533 --> 00:14:20,100
{\an8}of wrongfully using her debit card,
and keeping her belongings.
383
00:14:20,100 --> 00:14:23,767
So why would Isaiah give your mother...?
384
00:14:23,767 --> 00:14:25,633
Because she went
over there with a baseball bat
385
00:14:25,633 --> 00:14:27,066
and busted out his windows.
386
00:14:27,066 --> 00:14:29,567
And the reason why all
of my things were at my mother's
387
00:14:29,567 --> 00:14:32,433
was because I hadn't lived
at my mom's for over a year.
388
00:14:32,433 --> 00:14:35,433
- But your case is about--
- Is my belongings.
389
00:14:35,433 --> 00:14:37,367
You claimed that your mother went over
390
00:14:37,367 --> 00:14:39,233
and got your wallet from Isaiah's,
391
00:14:39,233 --> 00:14:40,734
because I asked you
what you were doing here.
392
00:14:40,734 --> 00:14:44,066
I certainly am not looking
into the allegations of false arrest.
393
00:14:44,066 --> 00:14:46,367
It sounds as if you did
the absolute wrong thing
394
00:14:46,367 --> 00:14:49,433
in trying to regain
your daughter whose custody,
395
00:14:49,433 --> 00:14:52,166
actually, you lost
at a dispositional hearing
396
00:14:52,166 --> 00:14:54,600
and was determined to be a dependent child
397
00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:55,834
and placed in foster care.
398
00:14:55,834 --> 00:14:57,433
- That's what happened here.
- Right.
399
00:14:57,433 --> 00:15:01,567
Okay. So, I'm not even addressing
your claims of false arrests.
400
00:15:01,567 --> 00:15:04,000
But what you did was
actually the wrong thing.
401
00:15:04,100 --> 00:15:05,567
I said, so what are you suing for?
402
00:15:05,567 --> 00:15:07,066
- Now you said your--
- My belongings,
403
00:15:07,066 --> 00:15:08,934
- my money.
- Just a second.
404
00:15:08,934 --> 00:15:10,600
What money?
405
00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:14,767
She used my CalFresh,
which is my EBT food stamps,
406
00:15:14,767 --> 00:15:17,033
and my CalWORKs, which is my cash aid
407
00:15:17,033 --> 00:15:18,400
through the welfare department.
408
00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:19,367
Just a second.
409
00:15:19,367 --> 00:15:22,800
So you're suing her
for taking your food stamps
410
00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:24,633
And your welfare check?
411
00:15:24,633 --> 00:15:26,066
- Right.
- Just a second.
412
00:15:26,066 --> 00:15:29,233
- Your food stamps and your welfare check?
- And...
413
00:15:29,233 --> 00:15:31,100
This is the statement from my tax return
414
00:15:31,100 --> 00:15:33,100
of all the money that was on there.
415
00:15:33,100 --> 00:15:35,467
- On where?
- On my debit card.
416
00:15:35,467 --> 00:15:37,667
It had over $3,000 on it.
417
00:15:37,667 --> 00:15:41,600
And I marked what was used
when after she had picked it up.
418
00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:46,000
And then these are receipts from some
of my belongings that was at her house.
419
00:15:46,133 --> 00:15:47,000
Just a second.
420
00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:48,266
You haven't lived
in your mother's house for--
421
00:15:48,266 --> 00:15:49,467
I moved back to my mother's in--
422
00:15:49,467 --> 00:15:51,200
Shh. Just a second.
423
00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:52,166
Yes, ma'am.
424
00:15:52,166 --> 00:15:54,433
You haven't lived in your mother's house,
425
00:15:54,433 --> 00:15:56,166
according to what you said to me,
426
00:15:56,166 --> 00:15:58,133
Whitney, was it a year ago?
427
00:15:58,133 --> 00:15:59,567
Didn't you say that you
moved out of your mother's?
428
00:15:59,567 --> 00:16:01,400
My mom allowed me to come back.
429
00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:03,600
Because there was
an order of protection.
430
00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:04,633
She had called me.
431
00:16:04,633 --> 00:16:06,367
- I was living in Fresno, ma'am.
- Shh. Just a second.
432
00:16:06,367 --> 00:16:08,467
You haven't lived in your mother's house,
433
00:16:08,467 --> 00:16:10,967
you said you were living
with your grandmother.
434
00:16:10,967 --> 00:16:14,000
For how long were you living
with your grandmother before May?
435
00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:15,700
I said I was living
with my grandmother right now.
436
00:16:15,700 --> 00:16:17,233
I was living in Fresno, ma'am.
437
00:16:17,233 --> 00:16:19,333
I want to know what property you've--
438
00:16:19,333 --> 00:16:21,567
My clothing, my husband's clothing,
439
00:16:21,567 --> 00:16:23,500
my--my daughter's bassinet.
440
00:16:23,500 --> 00:16:26,767
I had jewelry there.
I had all my clothing.
441
00:16:26,767 --> 00:16:29,400
Why would all of your clothing be there?
You were living with your grandmother.
442
00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,000
I hadn't moved into my grandmother's
since I got out of jail.
443
00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,100
- I was living in Fresno and my mom--
- Shh. Just a sec.
444
00:16:35,100 --> 00:16:37,066
- You're not letting me talk.
- I... I just--
445
00:16:37,066 --> 00:16:40,100
I'm not understanding your movements.
446
00:16:40,100 --> 00:16:43,633
Okay. My mom kicked me out in 2021. Okay?
447
00:16:43,633 --> 00:16:45,033
My daughter was just a few weeks old.
448
00:16:45,033 --> 00:16:46,934
My mom kicked me out due to her boyfriend.
449
00:16:46,934 --> 00:16:48,533
- She kicked you out...
- Yes.
450
00:16:48,533 --> 00:16:50,266
- And?
- When she kicked me out,
451
00:16:50,266 --> 00:16:51,633
I went through Marjaree Mason
452
00:16:51,633 --> 00:16:54,767
and Marjaree Mason
had placed me in hotels.
453
00:16:54,767 --> 00:16:57,133
I was placed in hotels
for about three or four months.
454
00:16:57,133 --> 00:17:01,166
Okay? And then it was
about January of 2021,
455
00:17:01,166 --> 00:17:02,867
I was, at this time,
I was pregnant with twins.
456
00:17:02,867 --> 00:17:04,400
They had genetic defects.
457
00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,467
On February 4th this year,
458
00:17:06,467 --> 00:17:07,367
I had...
459
00:17:09,533 --> 00:17:10,667
I lost my twins.
460
00:17:11,033 --> 00:17:11,967
Okay?
461
00:17:11,967 --> 00:17:14,400
And that was the first time
I had contacted my mother,
462
00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:15,867
because I was going through it,
463
00:17:15,867 --> 00:17:17,433
and I messaged her
and I told her, I said,
464
00:17:17,433 --> 00:17:18,800
"I really need my mom right now.
465
00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:20,934
If anything, I need my mom right now."
466
00:17:20,934 --> 00:17:22,367
{\an8}My daughter had-- she had never...
467
00:17:22,367 --> 00:17:25,066
{\an8}She had not seen my daughter.
She was not a part of my daughter's life.
468
00:17:25,066 --> 00:17:27,367
{\an8}I did not speak to my mother. Nothing.
469
00:17:27,367 --> 00:17:29,467
So, she made an agreement...
470
00:17:30,133 --> 00:17:32,633
...that she would watch my daughter,
because I had to go to San Francisco,
471
00:17:32,633 --> 00:17:34,667
because I was too far
along in my pregnancy,
472
00:17:34,667 --> 00:17:36,367
and it was just a big old mess.
473
00:17:36,367 --> 00:17:38,133
Do you have any
of your daughter's property?
474
00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:39,934
{\an8}- No.
- Okay.
475
00:17:39,934 --> 00:17:42,500
{\an8}Let's talk about this card.
476
00:17:42,633 --> 00:17:45,433
Did you pick up
her property from Isaiah?
477
00:17:45,433 --> 00:17:47,567
- When--
- That's either a yes or a no.
478
00:17:47,567 --> 00:17:49,400
After the 18th of May.
479
00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:53,500
Well, how do I answer that
when I did pick up her property,
480
00:17:53,500 --> 00:17:55,800
but her cards were not in there?
481
00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:57,834
Her driver's license wasn't in there,
482
00:17:57,834 --> 00:18:00,367
- her food stamp card wasn't in there.
- What were you doing?
483
00:18:00,367 --> 00:18:02,000
What were you doing...
484
00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:02,934
...at Isaiah's?
485
00:18:02,934 --> 00:18:05,467
- So, she--
- This is when she was in jail?
486
00:18:05,467 --> 00:18:06,400
Yes.
487
00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,166
Right after she got arrested.
488
00:18:08,166 --> 00:18:09,667
So I went down there.
489
00:18:10,133 --> 00:18:12,700
No problem. He handed it right to me.
490
00:18:12,700 --> 00:18:15,600
Look in my wallet,
make sure everything's in there.
491
00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:17,066
Like I said, I don't know
492
00:18:17,066 --> 00:18:19,734
if it was her driver's license
or ID was missing.
493
00:18:19,734 --> 00:18:23,900
Her food stamp card,
and the other card, the bank card.
494
00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:25,800
I don't know how to get proof.
495
00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:27,166
But her...
496
00:18:27,166 --> 00:18:32,700
...best friend, he cashed
up everybody money.
497
00:18:32,700 --> 00:18:34,467
There was a bunch of people.
498
00:18:34,467 --> 00:18:37,000
- Even himself--
- I have the information right here.
499
00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:38,900
Even himself,
500
00:18:38,900 --> 00:18:41,433
and his girlfriend,
and I don't want to get into the whole--
501
00:18:41,433 --> 00:18:45,100
I don't want to get into it either.
It's far too complicated for me.
502
00:18:45,100 --> 00:18:46,900
Is what you're telling me
503
00:18:46,900 --> 00:18:50,066
that you never used a card that she had?
504
00:18:50,066 --> 00:18:51,667
- No, I did not.
- Because I'm not concerned
505
00:18:51,667 --> 00:18:54,166
- about food stamps or welfare.
- No, I did not.
506
00:18:54,166 --> 00:18:55,266
Suing the wrong person.
507
00:18:55,266 --> 00:18:58,066
You were in jail, so you
didn't need money from welfare.
508
00:18:58,066 --> 00:19:00,066
What proof do you have?
509
00:19:00,066 --> 00:19:01,800
- I have my...
- Shh.
510
00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:02,800
...my bank statements.
511
00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:06,533
What proof do you have
that your mother withdrew money?
512
00:19:06,533 --> 00:19:08,834
She was the one that went
and picked up my cards.
513
00:19:08,834 --> 00:19:09,800
Oh. I don't know that.
514
00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:11,600
That's not what she says.
And you have no proof.
515
00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,667
- Isaiah's not here, correct?
- No.
516
00:19:13,667 --> 00:19:16,533
I don't doubt you when you say
that somebody used your card.
517
00:19:16,533 --> 00:19:17,500
I just need proof.
518
00:19:17,500 --> 00:19:18,400
- My mother--
- Shh.
519
00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,600
I know that she was supposed
to get my daughter from CPS.
520
00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,500
She was supposed to go
get a crib with my card,
521
00:19:23,500 --> 00:19:25,367
and I have the-- where she...
522
00:19:25,367 --> 00:19:27,133
And my grandma can...
523
00:19:27,133 --> 00:19:28,967
- I just want you to show me.
- Yes, ma'am.
524
00:19:28,967 --> 00:19:29,934
No, no, no.
525
00:19:30,066 --> 00:19:31,533
That your mother...
526
00:19:31,533 --> 00:19:33,133
I believe that people used your card.
527
00:19:33,133 --> 00:19:35,367
- She used my card.
- No, I don't know that.
528
00:19:35,367 --> 00:19:38,500
I need you to show
me proof that your mother--
529
00:19:38,500 --> 00:19:41,700
How am I supposed to show...
I have my bank statements.
530
00:19:41,700 --> 00:19:42,967
Then I'll take a look
at your bank statement.
531
00:19:42,967 --> 00:19:45,767
If your bank statement
told me who used your card,
532
00:19:45,767 --> 00:19:47,967
then that's an easy,
she said she did not.
533
00:19:48,300 --> 00:19:53,166
I just want you to show me proof
that any of these were used.
534
00:19:53,166 --> 00:19:55,200
I mean, we have a lot of PlayStations,
535
00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,667
DoorDash, Amazon Marketplace,
all of those--
536
00:19:57,767 --> 00:19:58,633
And I was locked up
537
00:19:58,633 --> 00:19:59,867
- throughout that whole time.
- Shh.
538
00:19:59,867 --> 00:20:01,133
I understand that.
539
00:20:01,133 --> 00:20:05,133
I suggest that you concentrate
on getting yourself together.
540
00:20:05,133 --> 00:20:07,633
If you want to reunite your family,
541
00:20:07,633 --> 00:20:11,100
I suggest that you put
your priorities in order.
542
00:20:11,100 --> 00:20:12,767
- Oh, they are in order.
- Evidently, not.
543
00:20:12,767 --> 00:20:15,767
I work. I have a job. I go to school.
544
00:20:15,767 --> 00:20:17,367
I'm getting my own place.
545
00:20:17,367 --> 00:20:19,867
But I'm going to court.
I'm getting my kids back.
546
00:20:19,867 --> 00:20:21,867
- Good.
- Can I give you this?
547
00:20:21,867 --> 00:20:24,533
- I don't know what it is.
- Well, I just want you to look at it.
548
00:20:33,333 --> 00:20:36,467
You're telling me that this is part
of your daughter's criminal history.
549
00:20:36,467 --> 00:20:38,000
- What is this?
- No, I'm just telling you
550
00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,834
she just got out of jail
just a couple of days ago.
551
00:20:40,834 --> 00:20:42,834
They haven't picked
up charges, Your Honor.
552
00:20:42,834 --> 00:20:45,900
- You were arrested on November 28th?
- Yes.
553
00:20:45,900 --> 00:20:47,367
I'm not going to let
you tell me about this.
554
00:20:47,367 --> 00:20:49,166
- You have a lawyer?
- Yes.
555
00:20:49,166 --> 00:20:51,100
As I said, Ms. Gutierrez,
556
00:20:51,100 --> 00:20:54,600
if you're trying to work
to get your family back together...
557
00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,700
- Yes, ma'am.
- ...and your kids back together,
558
00:20:56,700 --> 00:20:58,266
- Yes, ma'am.
- it would be a good idea
559
00:20:58,266 --> 00:20:59,900
to think about having more children
560
00:20:59,900 --> 00:21:02,233
until you get these children
back under your roof.
561
00:21:02,233 --> 00:21:03,166
We're done here.
562
00:21:03,166 --> 00:21:04,567
- Your case is dismissed.
- You have a good day.
563
00:21:04,567 --> 00:21:05,600
This court is adjourned.
564
00:21:08,700 --> 00:21:10,266
{\an8}Oh, I love her decision.
565
00:21:10,266 --> 00:21:12,233
{\an8}I don't want to have
nothing to do with any of them.
566
00:21:12,233 --> 00:21:13,800
{\an8}They burned their bridges.
567
00:21:15,100 --> 00:21:17,633
Perfect example of suffer,
the little children.
568
00:21:17,633 --> 00:21:19,734
So you have three kids,
569
00:21:19,734 --> 00:21:21,100
none of whom live with you.
570
00:21:21,500 --> 00:21:23,533
They go back and forth
between a grandmother,
571
00:21:23,533 --> 00:21:26,200
who would participate
in evading the police.
572
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,367
But with the police--
had to stop them by ramming the car.
573
00:21:29,367 --> 00:21:30,300
Yeah. I was going to say
574
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,266
there is something
in the papers about a crash.
575
00:21:32,734 --> 00:21:35,567
And she said
"He tried to ram my mother's car."
576
00:21:35,567 --> 00:21:37,433
So, fingers crossed for her.
577
00:21:37,433 --> 00:21:38,433
Yeah, and the kids.
578
00:21:38,433 --> 00:21:41,066
But take care of these kids
before you think about having any more.
579
00:21:41,066 --> 00:21:42,133
Yeah. Agreed.
580
00:21:43,834 --> 00:21:45,433
Are you having a family dispute?
581
00:21:45,433 --> 00:21:47,567
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