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{\an8}Did you claim that your daughter
was being physically by her father?
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- I'm...
- That's either yes or no.
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To a point.
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I really don't understand
two people who hate each other
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more than they love their child, period.
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This is Judy Justice.
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Curtis Brown and Heather Palen
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{\an8}are suing Heather's ex-husband Scott Manis
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{\an8}for impound fees, harassment,
and defamation.
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Court come to order.
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All rise.
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Have a seat, please.
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{\an8}Case 2142, Brown-Palen versus Manis.
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{\an8}- Thank you.
- You're welcome.
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Ms. Palen, this is your former husband?
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That is correct, Your Honor.
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How long were you married?
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- Eighteen years.
- And this is your daughter?
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- Correct.
- This your only child?
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- With Mr. Manis, it is.
- Yes.
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- Yes.
- Do you have other children?
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One other, yes.
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- How old?
- 32.
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When did you and Mr. Manis separate?
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I moved out of the family home
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in March of 2018.
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And this is your boyfriend.
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- Correct.
- I'm going to, in broad strokes,
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at least try to reconcile
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both the complaint
and the answerer in this case.
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I assume there was
a time when your daughter,
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- whose first name is?
- Tricia.
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{\an8}Tricia was living with you
after the separation?
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{\an8}We had a mutual divorce decree of 50-50.
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And was that honored?
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Until September 4th of 2020,
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Mr. Manis had brought
Tricia back to my home.
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And while we were out of the home,
he had her pack her belongings.
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No, okay, let's stop there.
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- Tricia, how old are you?
- I'm 19, Your Honor.
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Okay, and right subsequent
to the separation and the divorce,
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until September of 2020,
you shared custody?
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- Correct.
- Yes, ma'am.
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And then Tricia decided
she would prefer to live with her father.
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- Correct.
- For whatever reason.
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I don't have to go into it
because this doesn't really have to do
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with who she chose to live with
or where she was living.
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It has to do with a car. Okay.
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So while she was living with Mr. Manis,
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Mr. Manis purchased a car?
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- Yes, ma'am.
- For her use.
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- Correct.
- In what month
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{\an8}did you purchase a car for her use?
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{\an8}- Month and year.
- Oh, boy.
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{\an8}I believe that was probably...
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February of 2019, I believe.
18 or 19.
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Well, let's figure it out.
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It was about six months
prior to the case with her.
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Okay, so September 4th, we had the car.
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It would have been probably
June or July of the same year.
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So you bought her a car
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a couple of months before she decided
to come and live with you?
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- Correct.
- Okay, I got it.
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She had just obtained her license.
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That's okay, I'm just trying
to get a timetable.
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Right before she decided
to come to live with you
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and not have 50-50 custody anymore,
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- you purchased a car for her?
- Correct.
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{\an8}And she drove that car
in June or July, August.
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- Correct.
- At your house?
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At both houses.
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She was allowed to go
to take the car to their house?
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- Correct.
- When she saw her mother?
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- Yes.
- And then bring it back.
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- Correct.
- There was a time
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when you took the car away from her.
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When was that?
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Probably mid August.
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- Mid August of 2020.
- Correct.
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Well, the threat was to take the car away
because her grades were slipping.
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I didn't actually take the car away.
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When did you take it away?
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I actually never did take it away.
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Her mother and her mother's boyfriend
decided to purchase her another car
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to eliminate my threat
of taking away the car.
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Well, I don't know if that's because
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- but they decided to...
- Correct.
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Purchase another car.
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And what did you do with the car
that you had gotten for your daughter?
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- I sold that.
- When did you sell it?
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Probably a month or so
after she got the other car.
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And the threat was made to your daughter
because you were concerned
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about how she was doing in school
or how she was doing socially.
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What were the reasons?
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{\an8}Her grades were slipping.
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{\an8}So I wanted her to concentrate
more on her grades rather than...
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- Grades were slipping.
- Correct, at school.
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She gave you any reason for that?
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She was under a lot of pressure
with the divorce.
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So you purchased a car,
Mr. Brown and Mrs. Palen,
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with the understanding,
according to your complaint,
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that the car would remain in your name,
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there would be payments made on the car,
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and once the car was paid,
it would transfer to Tricia?
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Well, one thing led to another.
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{\an8}Things sort of went south.
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{\an8}And according to what
I've read in these papers,
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you got sort of annoyed,
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and the car that you had purchased
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was in the physical custody of Tricia,
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who was living with her father.
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And Mr. Manis caused the car
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to be towed and impounded,
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which caused you substantial expense
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to get the car out of impound,
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and he did that maliciously.
- Correct.
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And you want him to pay those expenses
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because you did, in fact,
get the car out of Impound,
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subsequently sold it.
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How much were the impound fees?
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$1,565.22 Your Honor.
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Okay, and Mr. Manis, in defense of that,
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acknowledges that he towed the car,
your car.
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He towed the car,
which was at your house?
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- Your Honor, I had...
- Where was the car?
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The car at the time was at my house.
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That's what I'm asking you.
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The car was at your house.
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You had it towed to impound,
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and you had it towed on what date, sir?
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The car was impounded on September 4th.
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- Of what year?
- 2020, I believe.
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And your defense for doing that?
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- Your Honor, he requested...
- Just a second.
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Your defense for doing that
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is that you are merely following
Mr. Brown's instructions.
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And the police officers.
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You were following
Mr. Brown's instructions.
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Correct.
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I see you have a police officer here.
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I have several police reports, Your Honor.
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About what?
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This isn't just about the car.
There's several years of harassment.
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No, no, I'm dealing with the car.
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- I understand.
- Right now I'm dealing with the car.
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So I have, the several officers that came
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instructed us to get the car
removed from the property.
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Well, that may be so.
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{\an8}You could have the car
removed from the property
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{\an8}and ask the police to have it
deposited in front of their house.
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- I understand.
- Yeah, you chose not to do that.
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May I show you his request
to have the car towed?
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He offered a reward
for the car to be towed.
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Just a second.
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I want you to tell me
where I'm wrong so far.
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See what we can all do to make her
as unhappy as possible.
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{\an8}So I really don't understand
two people who probably,
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{\an8}in their own way, love their child
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{\an8}but hate each other more
than they love their child,
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{\an8}which, to me, is absolutely bizarre.
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Curtis Brown and Heather Palen...
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{\an8}...claim Heather's ex-husband,
Scott Manis...
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{\an8}...owes for impound fees.
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Scott is counter-suing Heather
for filing a false CPS report.
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Okay, you had the car towed to an impound.
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You did not call him or your ex-wife
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the day that you had the car
towed to impound.
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It was some period of time later
if the fees for impound were $1500.
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Your excuse for that is you were
merely following his request.
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His request, that's what
you wrote in your answer.
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- Is that wrong?
- No, Your Honor.
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Okay, well, so now we know that
you didn't notify them
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- when you had the car towed.
- Your Honor...
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Because you could have the car towed
to the local police precinct
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and called them and said,
"Come pick up the car.
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It can't be in front of my house anymore."
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- Your Honor.
- He was actually at my house that night.
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Just a second, I didn't ask you anything.
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- Sorry
- Go ahead.
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The police, when they came to our house,
the car was present.
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They acknowledged the presence of the car.
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You can't tell me
what the police did, sir.
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- I have the reports, Your Honor.
- I would like to see the...
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I will see the report.
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What I'm asking you is,
there were two things.
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If you wanted the car out of your custody
and you wanted to quietly
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and stop the friction, send it back
to the people who purchased it,
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you could have done that.
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You chose not to do that.
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Your Honor, the reason
I chose not to do that
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is because of the,
I have several false allegations
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{\an8}from CPS, the police.
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{\an8}I did not choose to have
any contact with...
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{\an8}You didn't have to have
any contact with them, sir.
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- In order to...
- You don't have
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to have any contact with them.
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Just like you paid a tow truck company
to take the car to impound,
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you pay the tow truck company.
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You live in a private house
or an apartment?
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- Private house.
- You have the tow truck company
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drop the car off in front of their house.
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Now, after you had the car
towed to an impound company,
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did you contact them in any way?
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- No, I didn't, I was instructed...
- No, did you ask the police
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- to contact them and tell them?
- The police knew, yes.
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I didn't ask you what the police knew.
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You can't tell me what the police knew
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So you had the car towed on September 4th.
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And when were you notified
the car was in impound?
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I received a certified letter
on September 26th, which was a Friday.
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It said to contact them
Monday through Friday between 8 and 4.
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Just a second, you received that
on September 26th?
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- Yes.
- Is that the first notice
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{\an8}that you have had that the car
was impounded, correct?
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{\an8}- Yeah, that's true.
- Okay, so now
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{\an8}the onus is upon you, Mr. Manis.
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I want you to prove your defense to me.
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Your defense was you were following
Mr. Brown's instructions?
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- Yes, Your Honor.
- Okay, it's all I want to see.
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Here you go, Your Honor.
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So this says, "$100 reward
to anyone that impounds my car."
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Call tow truck and tell them
to contact me.
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- Yes, Your Honor.
- You know this number?
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- Yes.
- Yes, well, did you do that?
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The tow company sent them
a letter on 9/10 of 2020.
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And I have the proof of that also,
Your Honor.
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Yeah, I would like to see
what you're looking at.
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- That's not on September 4th.
- No.
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- That's not on September 4th.
- 9/10 they sent out a notice.
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Okay, let's see.
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Well, this says that attempts were made
on 9/21, 9/26 and 10/5.
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- That's what it looks like, attempts made.
- That's when they
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had attempted to deliver,
but they did not pick it up.
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- So they had no notice?
- They had notice.
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No, they had no notice.
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They had no notice.
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If they would have gone
to their post office box,
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they would have had notice.
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If I had taller parents,
I would have been 5'7".
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They had no notice.
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Okay, $1,565, that's what you owe them.
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It was a malicious act.
243
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Your Honor, this isn't just about the car.
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This is all, listen to me.
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- This is all...
- Through CPS.
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- If you would please.
- Let me-- you have a counterclaim?
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- Yes, ma'am.
- And your counterclaim I'm going to hear.
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Right now, you owe Mr. Brown $1,565
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because what you did was malicious.
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And I don't understand something,
you have one child together.
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I assume that you don't want
to make her miserable.
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That when she was born, you said,
"Oh, let's see what we can do
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over her lifetime to make her
as unhappy as possible.
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See, what we can all do to make her
as unhappy as possible."
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So I really don't understand two people
who probably in their own way,
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love their child, but hate each other
more than they love their child,
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which to me, is absolutely bizarre.
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So right now,
because you did a malicious thing
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by having their car towed
and not giving them a heads up
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that you had the car towed to a place
that was going to cost them money,
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you owe them $1,565.
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Now I'm going to hear your claim
that they made false charges
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- to CPS about you.
- Yes, ma'am.
264
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Your Honor, can I say something?
265
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- About what?
- The car.
266
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Before you say anything,
did I say anything that was inaccurate?
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Did your father have the car towed?
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The answer is he's acknowledged that.
269
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He had the car towed and put it in a place
270
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where neither your mother
or her boyfriend knew where it was,
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resulting in they are having
to pay fines to get the car out.
272
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Is there anything that I said was wrong?
273
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That is partially incorrect
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because I had contacted my mother
at the time and asked either...
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Okay, that's what I'll hear.
276
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You contacted your mother...
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I did contact my mother previously,
not only on normal messages,
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but also on Messenger messages,
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{\an8}including how I wanted
either the title or my money back
280
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{\an8}and that they could have
the car before that.
281
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Once the Facebook post was done.
Just a second.
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All I want you to show me
is that you notified
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either your mother or Mr. Brown
that the car was impounded,
284
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when you notified them.
285
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She also did ask my best friend.
286
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All I want-- just a second.
287
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That's all I want.
Don't tell me what you said
288
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to your best friend who's not here.
289
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All I want to do is see
where you notified your mother
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that the car was impounded.
291
00:13:19,433 --> 00:13:23,100
So there is this one
about money in my account,
292
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which was about the car.
293
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I don't want to see
anything about the car.
294
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I only want to see where you notified
your mother or Mr. Brown
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that the car was impounded.
296
00:13:31,900 --> 00:13:34,066
- Oh, I don't have the text about it.
- Okay.
297
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But I did notify her
that it was impounded.
298
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Well, I don't know that.
299
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And it seems to me you weren't talking
to your mother on a regular basis
300
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because there was a lot of acrimony.
301
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If you have it, you have it.
If you don't have it, you don't have it.
302
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So, Tricia, you could sit down.
303
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{\an8}I'm telling you that it is inappropriate.
304
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{\an8}The act of sharing a bed
305
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{\an8}with a teenage female child as a father
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{\an8}would give me cause to pause.
307
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Defendant Scott Manis
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{\an8}...has accused his ex-wife, Heather Palen
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{\an8}of filing a false report
with Child Protective Services.
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Now, it was a malicious act
to have the car impounded.
311
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There's no question in my mind
that if they knew it was impounded,
312
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they would have gotten it
out before, $1,565.
313
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Now, you want to show me
what information you have?
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{\an8}- Yes, ma'am.
- With regard to filing a false CPS report.
315
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{\an8}Correct, I have CPS reports
and the police investigators report.
316
00:14:41,367 --> 00:14:42,734
Okay, may I see it, please?
317
00:14:53,734 --> 00:14:57,133
- This report was in September of 2020?
- Yes, ma'am.
318
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- Okay.
- It's been several years
319
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of these reports and just
disgusting allegations.
320
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Just a second, shh...
321
00:15:06,433 --> 00:15:12,066
So you filed or you made allegations
to Child Protective Services?
322
00:15:12,066 --> 00:15:14,200
CPS actually contacted me, Your Honor,
323
00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,600
regarding several calls
that they had received
324
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for the welfare of my daughter Tricia.
325
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In what year?
326
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{\an8}I was contacted, I believe it was 2019,
and again in 2020.
327
00:15:23,700 --> 00:15:25,867
{\an8}- They contacted you?
- Correct.
328
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- For what?
- To do an interview because of the claim
329
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that was made about
regarding Tricia's safety
330
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That were made by an anonymous source.
331
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I don't know who made them, Your Honor.
332
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In Minnesota, you can't make
multiple reports by one person.
333
00:15:39,700 --> 00:15:42,467
I cannot call day after day
to make reports.
334
00:15:42,467 --> 00:15:47,233
I'm just asking you,
did you at some point claim
335
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that you had reason to believe
336
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that your daughter was being in some way
physically abused by her father.
337
00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:55,900
- I'm...
- That's either a yes or a no.
338
00:15:57,700 --> 00:16:00,233
- Yes to a point.
- Yeah, okay.
339
00:16:00,233 --> 00:16:03,500
And part of that involved a sexual abuse?
340
00:16:03,500 --> 00:16:04,934
{\an8}That one was not claimed by me.
341
00:16:05,533 --> 00:16:11,500
{\an8}I did state to CPS that he does
have her sleep in his bed with him.
342
00:16:11,500 --> 00:16:13,066
Well, I have to tell you something.
343
00:16:13,066 --> 00:16:13,967
Which is a little weird.
344
00:16:13,967 --> 00:16:16,033
I have to tell you something
that doesn't seem a little weird.
345
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It seems a lot weird that your daughter,
346
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your daughter acknowledged, sir.
347
00:16:21,633 --> 00:16:24,900
- Your Honor.
- Your daughter, what I'm telling you is
348
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it is inappropriate for a man
to sleep in the same bed
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as his 15-year-old daughter.
350
00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:31,633
- Your Honor, we went to a concert.
- That's my view.
351
00:16:31,633 --> 00:16:34,533
And if that's true, there may be
a reasonable explanation for it.
352
00:16:34,533 --> 00:16:37,734
She said she was scared,
whatever when interviewed.
353
00:16:37,734 --> 00:16:39,367
That's what it says in here.
354
00:16:39,367 --> 00:16:43,033
But I'm telling you,
as a mother and a grandmother,
355
00:16:43,033 --> 00:16:48,700
in my view, and I'm not a professional
psychiatrist or psychologist,
356
00:16:48,700 --> 00:16:50,767
but it is inappropriate for a teenager
357
00:16:50,767 --> 00:16:53,533
to sleep in the same bed
with her father, period.
358
00:16:55,233 --> 00:16:57,667
Maybe some countries, it's appropriate.
359
00:16:59,100 --> 00:17:03,200
Your Honor, we went to a concert
and shared a hotel room at a concert.
360
00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,266
No, that's not what your daughter said.
361
00:17:05,266 --> 00:17:07,767
No, no, no.
That's not what your daughter said, sir.
362
00:17:07,767 --> 00:17:09,233
- May I finish?
- Yes.
363
00:17:09,233 --> 00:17:12,467
When she was going through all the stuff
with the divorce and everything,
364
00:17:12,467 --> 00:17:14,200
she came into my room, I was asleep.
365
00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:15,900
She laid next to me.
366
00:17:16,533 --> 00:17:18,800
- I'm asleep.
- Listen to me.
367
00:17:19,934 --> 00:17:22,767
I'm not suggesting that
anything inappropriate.
368
00:17:22,767 --> 00:17:25,300
- Sir, understand this.
- You're absolutely right.
369
00:17:25,300 --> 00:17:30,166
I'm not suggesting that
any inappropriate actions happened
370
00:17:30,166 --> 00:17:32,000
between you and your daughter.
371
00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,400
I'm telling you that it is inappropriate,
372
00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,967
the act of sharing a bed
373
00:17:37,967 --> 00:17:41,467
with a teenage female child as a father
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00:17:41,467 --> 00:17:44,000
would give me cause to pause.
375
00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:45,834
I would say, you know what?
376
00:17:45,834 --> 00:17:49,000
That's not a good idea, it's especially--
377
00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,400
sweetheart, it's especially
not a good idea
378
00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,567
when parents seem to be feuding.
379
00:17:55,567 --> 00:17:57,400
It's grist for the mill.
380
00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,967
You may want to go and see
if she's scared say,
381
00:18:00,100 --> 00:18:02,934
"Sweetheart, I'll go and sit
in a chair in your room."
382
00:18:02,934 --> 00:18:04,767
- Many times.
- In your room.
383
00:18:04,767 --> 00:18:08,233
- Many times.
- But please, this is inappropriate.
384
00:18:08,233 --> 00:18:10,166
Do you understand? It's inappropriate.
385
00:18:10,166 --> 00:18:12,500
Did you read the detective's
statements in there?
386
00:18:12,667 --> 00:18:14,667
No, I'm not interested
in the detective's statements.
387
00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,000
- Obviously.
- If what your daughter says is true
388
00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:18,800
as a result of the investigation,
389
00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:23,333
then there was reason for somebody
to suggest to CPS to do an investigation.
390
00:18:23,333 --> 00:18:24,767
So, listen.
391
00:18:24,767 --> 00:18:29,166
Bottom line, I can't tell the two of you
to stop feuding, I can't.
392
00:18:29,166 --> 00:18:32,834
You either hate each other
more than you love your daughter.
393
00:18:32,834 --> 00:18:36,633
That's the answer
and this court can't fix that.
394
00:18:36,633 --> 00:18:40,767
All I can do is fix $1,565,
395
00:18:40,767 --> 00:18:42,533
which is what you owe them
for impound fees.
396
00:18:42,533 --> 00:18:44,533
This case is over, thank you.
397
00:18:44,533 --> 00:18:45,867
This court is adjourned.
398
00:18:48,033 --> 00:18:49,066
I think the judge is wrong.
399
00:18:49,066 --> 00:18:51,233
I am thankful for the judge.
400
00:18:51,233 --> 00:18:54,000
She didn't read all the evidence.
Multiple pages weren't read.
401
00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:55,834
He's very good at manipulating others.
402
00:18:55,834 --> 00:18:57,133
I have multiple accusations.
403
00:18:57,133 --> 00:19:01,667
And being the person that,
"Oh, pity me, feel sorry for me."
404
00:19:01,667 --> 00:19:03,633
False allegations to the CPS.
405
00:19:03,633 --> 00:19:07,900
My ex-husband decided that
he would show me.
406
00:19:07,900 --> 00:19:10,667
No, he's trying to get my daughter
her money back or the title to her car.
407
00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,834
He actually had the car as of August 24th.
408
00:19:13,834 --> 00:19:17,667
Then he brought her to the house
and moved her out on September 4th.
409
00:19:17,667 --> 00:19:20,300
And that's when it all
just started going downhill.
410
00:19:20,300 --> 00:19:21,400
She has a lot of hatred.
411
00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,700
I believe he's very angry
that I divorced him.
412
00:19:23,700 --> 00:19:25,033
Let-- she falls off a bridge,
413
00:19:25,133 --> 00:19:28,467
And he lost the control over me
that he had while we were married.
414
00:19:30,433 --> 00:19:34,467
You know, Sarah, I've been doing
these family cases for a very, very,
415
00:19:34,467 --> 00:19:39,066
probably 40 plus years,
and it always makes me sad that adults;
416
00:19:39,066 --> 00:19:44,233
that the adults, the mothers, father,
even with a new boyfriend,
417
00:19:44,233 --> 00:19:49,400
there is a window in life
when you feel relatively healthy.
418
00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:50,834
Nothing hurts you.
419
00:19:50,834 --> 00:19:52,467
You don't have a bad back.
420
00:19:52,467 --> 00:19:55,467
You don't have to worry about indigestion.
421
00:19:55,467 --> 00:19:57,767
You can walk around without a walker.
422
00:19:57,767 --> 00:19:59,633
You look pretty reasonable.
423
00:19:59,633 --> 00:20:03,266
And that you will take years away
from that good time
424
00:20:03,266 --> 00:20:05,867
to create negativity
425
00:20:05,867 --> 00:20:09,166
around not only yourself,
but the people that you love.
426
00:20:09,166 --> 00:20:11,066
I think that's great advice.
427
00:20:11,066 --> 00:20:16,333
I always said to people,
both men and women, that it's one journey.
428
00:20:16,333 --> 00:20:21,266
You can take that journey
and put as much positive energy into it.
429
00:20:21,266 --> 00:20:23,133
Yeah, I just felt bad for the daughter.
430
00:20:23,133 --> 00:20:26,433
I mean, I know she's growing now, 19,
but still 19.
431
00:20:26,433 --> 00:20:29,967
It still hurts your feelings to hear
and see that your parents hate each other
432
00:20:30,100 --> 00:20:32,800
more than they care and love about you.
433
00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,333
Well, maybe that statement...
434
00:20:35,333 --> 00:20:37,700
- Will make a difference.
- Will make a difference because
435
00:20:37,700 --> 00:20:40,367
I'm sure it's not true.
436
00:20:40,367 --> 00:20:43,300
- I have a feeling...
- But when it's said to you
437
00:20:43,300 --> 00:20:45,100
in the court in front of your child,
438
00:20:45,100 --> 00:20:46,867
hopefully they take
some action on it then.
439
00:20:46,867 --> 00:20:49,266
Well, hopefully they'll say, "Boing!"
440
00:20:49,266 --> 00:20:51,233
You know, she has a new boyfriend
441
00:20:51,233 --> 00:20:53,633
and he's got his daughter
who's living with him.
442
00:20:53,633 --> 00:20:57,166
They should be happy and they're divorced.
443
00:20:57,166 --> 00:20:59,667
- Close the book.
- Close the book.
444
00:20:59,667 --> 00:21:03,100
Her mother and her boyfriend
should get a puppy together.
445
00:21:03,100 --> 00:21:05,367
Not until they get married.
446
00:21:05,367 --> 00:21:07,500
Not until they-- but do something.
447
00:21:07,500 --> 00:21:09,467
This is a grown young woman.
448
00:21:09,467 --> 00:21:12,166
Have a healthy adult relationship
with your child.
449
00:21:12,166 --> 00:21:13,767
Right, not over a car.
450
00:21:13,767 --> 00:21:16,066
but, you know, teenagers do
crazy things for a car.
451
00:21:16,066 --> 00:21:19,834
I think that some teenagers would live
with Satan if they bought 'em a car.
452
00:21:21,633 --> 00:21:23,400
Are you having a family dispute?
453
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