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{\an8}You collided with her car
on the driver's side.
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{\an8}Yes, Your Honor.
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He had cut through the intersection.
He was not in the walkway.
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I just went like around here
and through this crosswalk.
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- In the crosswalk?
- Yeah, I was in the crosswalk.
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- You know when they're telling a fib?
- How?
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When their mouths are moving.
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This is Judy Justice.
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{\an8}Karri Cargill is suing
Joseph Simonett for car damage,
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{\an8}after Joseph's 15-year-old son
hit Karri's vehicle.
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Court come to order. All rise.
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Have a seat, please.
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Hello, Judge.
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- Good morning.
- Case 2138. Cargill vs. Simonett.
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- Thank you.
- You're welcome.
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Ms. Cargill,
you and the defendant's son
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had an accident
while you were driving your car,
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and Mr. Simonett's son
was driving his electric scooter.
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It was like a skateboard,
a one-wheel skateboard.
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- Tell me your name.
- Jacob Simonett.
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Describe this vehicle
that you were riding on.
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{\an8}It's got two spaces for your feet.
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{\an8}It has one in the back, one in the front.
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No, try to look at me.
I'm trying to see you.
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- Trying to... pull like this.
- It has one in the back...
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...one in the front,
and there's big wheel in the center.
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And you put your feet in either side,
and it balances,
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and you ride it kind of like a skateboard.
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- I had a feeling you might need it.
- Oh, I actually have a picture...
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of myself riding on one of those.
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For about 30 seconds.
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We bought it for one of my grandchildren
years ago, but it's motorized.
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- Yes.
- It has a motor.
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- It's electric.
- And how fast does it go?
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Tops at about 17 miles an hour.
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- Seventeen?
- Yes.
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That's pretty fast.
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{\an8}Are you required
to drive that on the street,
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{\an8}where pedestrians walk,
or where cars ride?
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{\an8}On the sidewalk, with pedestrians.
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{\an8}- Sidewalk?
- Yes.
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- Do you drive it on the sidewalk?
- Yes, I do.
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- Do you ever drive it in the street?
- I do not.
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Now, you're going to tell me what happened
on the date of this incident,
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which was August 17th.
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{\an8}- This year, yes.
- OK.
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{\an8}Yes, I was, um, going south, after work,
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{\an8}and I was going, um, crossing through
the intersection. I had the green light.
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Is there a chart?
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- Yes.
- I'd like to see it.
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Yeah, I was crossing the intersection.
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- You're the blue car.
- I'm the blue car, and I had the green.
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I was going, and Jacob had cut through
on the red into the green
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and slammed into the side of my car.
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He had cut through the intersection.
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So he was in the street
where the cars travel.
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- Yes.
- Not on the sidewalk.
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- Right. He was not in the walkway.
- OK.
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Jacob, I want you to walk up to that sign
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and show me where you were
when you and the plaintiff collided.
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I was about right here.
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- You were in a crosswalk.
- Yeah.
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I was in the crosswalk, coming through,
and about right here.
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OK. Jacob, is that what the police report
is going to indicate?
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- That you were in the crosswalk?
- I don't know.
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Well, I assume that there is
a police report. Is that correct?
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Police report's going to tell me
where the debris was, I assume.
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The debris is either going to be
in the crosswalk,
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or it's going to be in the street.
Where do you think it's going to be?
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Some of it was in the street.
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Show me the street
that you're talking about.
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Uh, about like right here.
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No. Put your finger on it.
Don't go around where it's...
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- About right here.
- Right there.
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That would be in the middle, right?
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That would be in the middle of the street,
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where the cars travel,
not in the crosswalk.
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- Yeah.
- Yes.
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- It's easy.
- Sure.
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- How old is he?
- 15.
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15? I've had a whole bunch
of those who were 15.
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- You know when they're telling a fib?
- How?
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When their mouths are moving.
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He's a pretty good kid.
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All of my kids are pretty good kids.
But, you can always...
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{\an8}You can usually tell.
Is this your first? Only?
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{\an8}Both, first and only.
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First and only?
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Oh, well, he'd probably had
some experience with that anyway.
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- A little bit.
- Little bit?
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OK, and this happened
at what time during the day?
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{\an8}I believe it was about four--
a little after four, 4:30.
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{\an8}- So it was light out.
- Yes.
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You collided with her car
on the driver's side.
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Yes, Your Honor.
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OK.
On the door of the driver's side.
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The fender.
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- Fender?
- Yes.
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- Side fender?
- Yes, side fender.
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OK, not the front of the car.
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Uh, the front fender of the car.
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Front fender of the car on the side?
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I'm talking about
it was the side or the front.
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- The side.
- Side?
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So you collided with her,
'cause cars don't move sideways.
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Yes.
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He could have been
quite seriously injured.
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Yes, he could.
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He hit the side of the car,
and he flew up onto the hood,
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{\an8}and then kind of rolled
across the hood, hit my windshield,
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{\an8}and then fell onto the ground.
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And when I stopped, he jumped up,
appeared at my window,
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apologized, and then asked me
if I was OK.
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What did he say?
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Just said he was sorry,
and then he asked me if I was OK.
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And then I asked him if he was OK,
and then he asked me if I was OK...
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So far is that right?
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- Yes.
- OK.
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I was very impressed by that he was
more worried about me than anything else.
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I moved my car out of the road,
onto the side of the road.
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There was an EMT
that was across the street from us,
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and he came over and assessed him,
if there was any more damage.
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Got some road rash, things like that,
but he was not seriously hurt,
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at least that we noticed at the time.
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- Do you have the police report?
- I do.
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I'd like to see it, please, Kevin.
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- Thank you.
- You're welcome.
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One witness said
that he was right next to you,
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and that you went past him,
and that the light was red.
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His light was red,
which is why he was stopped.
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That's what I'm reading.
"He did say that his light was red
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when the kid
initially passed in front of him."
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Did you get a copy of this police report?
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I've seen it, yes.
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Explain to me--
would you put on this again,
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and leave that one on,
because that's the version that I believe.
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Would you walk over there and explain
to me what "cut the corner" was?
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What you were doing?
Talks about "cutting the corners."
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So I want you to understand.
I believe that.
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Based upon what I'm reading here,
I believe that.
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So now I want you to show me
how you cut the corner.
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So I was coming to this one,
and I went through,
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ended up going here,
I was going through the sidewalk.
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I just went like around here,
and through this crosswalk.
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What's "cut the corner"?
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I cut the corner here, right there.
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You mean just that little space
is what you're talking about?
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- You cut the corner?
- Yeah, I went from about here to here...
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I want you to understand
I believe that you were in the street.
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I believe you were in the street,
not in a crosswalk.
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So let's run through that again.
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Would you please
show me what "cut the corner" was?
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I went through here,
and I came here and I cut here.
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- So right there I cut the corner.
- OK.
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- He is a nice boy, Mr. Simonett.
- Thank you.
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{\an8}You know what my father told me
when he gave me my first car?
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{\an8}I think I was 17.
It was like a tank.
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{\an8}He said,
"Because if you get in an accident,
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{\an8}I want you to be surrounded
by 4,000 pounds of steel."
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And later today...
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{\an8}Your claim is that you won
a whole bunch of money
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{\an8}in some gambling thing.
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{\an8}I just want you to tell me
how much you won.
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{\an8}- Before taxes or after?
- Both.
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{\an8}Karri Cargill claims
Joseph Simonett owes for damage
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{\an8}after his 15-year-old son hit Karri's car
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{\an8}while riding an electric skateboard.
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OK. The police determined that,
based upon the eyewitness testimony,
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that the pedestrian Jacob is at fault,
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and believed to have crossed
the intersection
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before having the right of way.
The vehicle had the green light.
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In any event,
do you have photographs of your car?
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This happened in August, and you
were called to the scene by your son.
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- Is that right?
- Correct.
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And you got there and you noticed
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that he is a little banged up
but, thankfully, OK.
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He was in an ambulance when I arrived,
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but shortly after, yes,
he did walk out of the ambulance.
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{\an8}He suffered some injuries,
which I have pictures of,
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{\an8}if you'd like to see them.
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I'm sure he was banged up.
He had bruises from falling off of...
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From being launched from the vehicle
after the collision. Correct.
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OK. You know, he was really lucky
that she wasn't going faster.
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{\an8}Correct. Could have been much worse.
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{\an8}We were thankful for his health
in the outcome of the incident.
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You're right. OK, can I see
an estimate to fix your car, please?
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- Thank you.
- You're welcome.
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- What kind of a car do you have?
- A 2015 Equinox Chevy.
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- You had full coverage on the car?
- Yes.
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- But with a thousand-dollar deductible.
- Yes.
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So, if you put this
through to your insurance,
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you have a thousand-dollar deductible.
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- Yes.
- Right?
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Anything else you want
to tell me, Jacob?
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- No.
- You still ride one of those things?
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It's broken. I don't...
I didn't get a new one, no.
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It was destroyed in the accident.
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You know what my father told me
when he gave me my first car?
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I think I was 17.
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He bought me the oldest, ugliest car.
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But it was like a tank.
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All my other friends were
getting these nice, cute little cars.
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And this one was like an old person's
tank Cadillac or something.
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You know, we're talking 50 years ago.
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And I said, "Why do I have
to have this car?
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Everybody else has cute cars."
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He said,
"Because if you get in an accident,
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I want you to be surrounded
by 4,000 pounds of steel."
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That's pretty much the lesson
that I've sent out there.
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Four thousand pounds of steel.
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One and only,
surrounded by lots of steel.
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Judgment for the plaintiff
in the amount of $1,000.
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- Thank you, we're finished.
- This court is adjourned.
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{\an8}Overall, I'm happy.
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{\an8}She had some fault due to hitting
a pedestrian in a crosswalk.
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{\an8}It was surreal, like out of the movies.
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{\an8}Your heart stops, and all you can do
is look for the car keys in panic
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{\an8}and get there as fast as you can.
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{\an8}I'm so glad that he was OK.
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{\an8}I remember just flying through the air
and then I was on the ground.
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I got right up.
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{\an8}- Be very careful.
- Count your blessings...
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and enjoy every moment that you have
'cause things could change in an instant.
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I know these electric scooters
and skateboards are very popular,
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but, even before this case, I tried
to look up any rules, laws, regulations.
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There are a few, for electric motorbikes
and things like that,
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but far fewer
than I would expect for a machine
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that can go up to 17 miles
an hour, when you're 15.
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I think that you're right. I think that,
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since those things
have become so popular,
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there really have to be enforced rules.
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And parents-- and this is
a very nice father and son--
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I've seen kids weave in and out of cars.
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It always looked like an accident
waiting to happen.
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Yeah, and this one could have ended
in a real tragedy.
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He was lucky, and his father
knew he was lucky.
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Case 2124. McPherson vs. Hall.
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All parties, please step forward.
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{\an8}Gerald McPherson
is suing his ex-girlfriend, Natasha Hall,
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{\an8}for money she received
during their relationship.
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- Mr. McPherson.
- Yes?
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- How old are you, sir?
- Forty.
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- What kind of work do you do?
- Home caring.
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Independent, or do you work
for a company?
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Home care agency.
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- For an agency?
- Yes.
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- How long have you been working for them?
- About a year now.
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But I've been doing home care
for about three years.
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Prior to working for them, the past year,
and you're still working for them.
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- Mm-hmm.
- Is that right?
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Was there a period of time
when you were unemployed?
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Not more than maybe, three weeks,
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but since I've known Ms. Hall...
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No, I don't want to know about Ms. Hall.
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No, I'm saying,
I'm telling you my employment.
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{\an8}Since I've lived in her residence,
I've always worked.
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{\an8}- I've worked at the zoo, Census Bureau...
- No, no.
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{\an8}- Don't try to think ahead of me.
- OK.
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There was a period of time in 2020,
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according to you,
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{\an8}that you became homeless
and were living in a shelter.
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{\an8}Yeah. That...
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And that was in what month in 2020?
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In June. I...
so, if I can explain the situation.
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I was living in a house that
a slumlord wasn't doing the repairs,
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so I ended up forcing his hand,
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him selling the property,
and the new landlord...
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Could you look at me
when you're talking?
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Sorry. The new landlord and my other ex...
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they kept the property. I moved out.
I went to a shelter
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because I didn't want
nothin' to do with her, or with...
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- You're talking about her?
- No, ma'am.
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Well, then don't keep pointing to her.
I'm asking you...
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I'm just pointing in general,
I'm not pointing at her.
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- You actually pointed to her.
- I'm sorry.
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When you were in the shelter,
were you employed?
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- Yes, for the Census Bureau.
- OK.
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Doing the census.
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I was actually out in the field
knocking on doors.
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So, you were not working
in home health care.
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- You were a census taker.
- At that time, yes.
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And did you have a child living with you?
283
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- Yes.
- Well, not in the shelter, no.
284
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I could not have
my daughter in the shelter.
285
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- How old is your daughter?
- 10.
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- And where is her mother?
- She's deceased.
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Where was your daughter living
when you were in the shelter?
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- With my mother.
- Is she living with you now?
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- She's been with me since June.
- In a new apartment?
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Yes. I moved in August 1st.
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- She goes to school from your apartment?
- Yes.
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OK. In 2020,
you became acquainted with Ms. Hall,
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when there came a time
shortly thereafter...
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- Uncross your arms.
- I'm sorry.
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There came a point shortly thereafter
when you moved into her home.
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In August, yes.
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{\an8}- Of 2020.
- Mm-hmm.
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{\an8}And you remained in her home
until what month and year?
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August of 2022.
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And in what month and year
did you regain custody of your daughter?
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June of 2022.
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So there was a period of two months
when you and your daughter
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lived in Ms. Hall's home.
304
00:14:08,867 --> 00:14:10,033
You could say that, but...
305
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I'm saying that 'cause I just
asked you a question about timeline.
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{\an8}No, because me and Ms. Hall was going
through our dispute about this money,
307
00:14:17,066 --> 00:14:19,066
{\an8}my daughter was staying with my grandma.
308
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I only brought my daughter there
on certain occasions.
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When I say you regained custody
of your daughter, was that a court order?
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- Yes, I have it right here.
- Just a sec.
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Was the child removed
by court order from your custody?
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- It was removed because the house...
- Don't tell me "because."
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Yes. It was removed.
314
00:14:34,033 --> 00:14:35,100
- And look...
- Yes, yes, yes.
315
00:14:35,100 --> 00:14:36,900
I have lots of things to do today.
316
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- OK, I'm sorry.
- Child was removed from your custody.
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Because I didn't have
nowhere to live at the time.
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Was the child removed from your custody
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{\an8}before you moved into the shelter?
320
00:14:46,934 --> 00:14:49,734
{\an8}She was removed
because I was in the shelter.
321
00:14:49,734 --> 00:14:51,734
Did you take her to the shelter?
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00:14:51,734 --> 00:14:54,934
No. I was not allowed to, because
there was no male and female sections...
323
00:14:54,934 --> 00:14:59,533
So at that time, did she go
and live with your mother?
324
00:14:59,533 --> 00:15:02,500
- Of course.
- Was that by court order?
325
00:15:02,500 --> 00:15:04,266
No, it was... I...
326
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- Brought her to your mother?
- Yes.
327
00:15:06,133 --> 00:15:09,834
May I see the court order
that involves custody, please?
328
00:15:09,834 --> 00:15:11,633
I'm not getting an answer from you.
329
00:15:11,633 --> 00:15:15,133
This is the court order and this is...
330
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These two forms.
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Thank you.
332
00:15:23,834 --> 00:15:25,467
- That court order is the current one.
- Shh!
333
00:15:27,433 --> 00:15:28,734
OK. So the child was placed
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with the Commission of Social Services
in Pennsylvania.
335
00:15:31,333 --> 00:15:32,400
Mm-hmm.
336
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And the child was placed
in Kinship Foster Care,
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which is a program
that I am very familiar with,
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with the child's paternal grandmother.
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So, in June of this year,
the child was returned to your custody.
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At some point,
in August of this year,
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is when you and the defendant
separated and you left the house.
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This is your claim--
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your claim is that you won a whole
bunch of money in some gambling thing.
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What kind of gambling thing?
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{\an8}I don't want to go back
to the Year Gimmel, sir.
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{\an8}All I want you to do is tell me
how much rent you were paying her.
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00:16:04,633 --> 00:16:05,700
To be honest, I had to...
348
00:16:05,700 --> 00:16:08,133
I don't know,
I want you to be dishonest with me.
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{\an8}Gerald McPherson
claims his ex-girlfriend, Natasha Hall,
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{\an8}wrongfully spent the money
he gave her for rent.
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Your claim is that you won
a whole bunch of money
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in some gambling thing.
What kind of gambling thing?
353
00:16:33,767 --> 00:16:35,967
I want you to look at me
when you talk, not at the papers.
354
00:16:35,967 --> 00:16:37,166
No, I was gonna...
355
00:16:37,166 --> 00:16:39,734
In what kind of gambling thing
did you win money?
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00:16:39,734 --> 00:16:43,767
- I bet it on 25 games.
- What 25 games?
357
00:16:43,767 --> 00:16:47,867
- NBA, college, hockey...
- OK. And you bet... where?
358
00:16:47,867 --> 00:16:50,467
{\an8}On FanDuel.
It's an app called FanDuel.
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00:16:50,467 --> 00:16:52,700
{\an8}- OK. And y-you won?
- Yes, 25...
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00:16:52,700 --> 00:16:55,200
{\an8}I don't understand the whole thing,
I don't want to learn the whole thing.
361
00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:56,767
I don't care about the whole thing.
362
00:16:56,767 --> 00:16:59,467
I just want you to tell me
how much you won.
363
00:16:59,467 --> 00:17:01,000
Before taxes or after?
364
00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:02,867
- Both.
- OK.
365
00:17:02,867 --> 00:17:06,600
Thirty-six thousand,
seven hundred and seventy-two...
366
00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:08,000
forty-two dollars,
367
00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,367
and after taxes $26,889.
368
00:17:11,367 --> 00:17:12,734
On what date?
369
00:17:12,734 --> 00:17:15,834
So I won the bet on the 28th,
it came into my account...
370
00:17:15,834 --> 00:17:17,533
- Twenty-eighth of what?
- January.
371
00:17:18,066 --> 00:17:19,633
- Of what year?
- This year.
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00:17:19,633 --> 00:17:23,533
And you had been living
with Ms. Hall for two years.
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00:17:23,533 --> 00:17:24,867
- Prior, yes.
- OK.
374
00:17:24,867 --> 00:17:28,433
And you were working,
according to you, all of that time.
375
00:17:28,433 --> 00:17:29,667
- Yes.
- OK, good.
376
00:17:29,667 --> 00:17:32,834
- Were you paying any rent to Ms. Hall?
- Yes, ma'am. I have receipts.
377
00:17:32,834 --> 00:17:35,867
Yes, I wanna see those.
How much rent were you paying?
378
00:17:35,867 --> 00:17:37,166
So, when I met Ms. Hall...
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00:17:37,166 --> 00:17:39,300
I don't want to go back
to the Year Gimmel, sir.
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00:17:39,300 --> 00:17:42,500
All I want you to do is tell me
how much rent you were paying her.
381
00:17:42,500 --> 00:17:44,000
To be honest,
I had to pay half her rent...
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00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:45,700
I don't know, I want you
to be dishonest with me.
383
00:17:45,700 --> 00:17:48,600
Half her rent is, like, $425,
384
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and she had me pay half the gas,
385
00:17:50,700 --> 00:17:52,800
and half the electric,
and half the cable.
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00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:56,867
- Her rent was $425?
- No, it was $850. I had to split it.
387
00:17:56,867 --> 00:17:58,934
- $850.
- We were paying half and half.
388
00:17:58,934 --> 00:18:00,433
- Ms. Hall?
- Yes, ma'am.
389
00:18:00,433 --> 00:18:02,834
{\an8}- What kind of work do you do?
- I do customer service.
390
00:18:02,834 --> 00:18:05,000
{\an8}And who else lives
in the apartment with you?
391
00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:06,800
- My children.
- How old are they?
392
00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,033
- 14 and 13.
- How large is the apartment?
393
00:18:09,033 --> 00:18:10,100
It's a two-bedroom.
394
00:18:10,100 --> 00:18:12,567
- And the total rent is $850?
- Yes, ma'am.
395
00:18:12,567 --> 00:18:14,700
- There's no subsidy involved?
- No subsidy at all.
396
00:18:14,700 --> 00:18:17,266
- OK. And you have a lease?
- Yes, ma'am.
397
00:18:17,266 --> 00:18:23,100
How much did you charge, if anything,
Mr. McPherson as rent?
398
00:18:23,100 --> 00:18:27,233
- $425.
- That doesn't quite sound fair, does it?
399
00:18:27,233 --> 00:18:30,400
Did she make a figure
with you of $425?
400
00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:34,333
{\an8}I paid more than that.
I paid $425. That's half of the rent.
401
00:18:34,333 --> 00:18:37,233
{\an8}I paid half of the electric
and half of the Internet bill.
402
00:18:37,233 --> 00:18:39,033
There are four people in the house?
403
00:18:39,033 --> 00:18:40,100
- Yes.
- Right?
404
00:18:40,100 --> 00:18:41,667
Well, we're the only two paying...
405
00:18:41,667 --> 00:18:43,500
Shh! Why was he
paying for half the rent?
406
00:18:43,500 --> 00:18:46,233
Oh, my children don't work,
and his child didn't work either.
407
00:18:46,233 --> 00:18:47,633
His child wasn't with you.
408
00:18:47,633 --> 00:18:51,166
The child came with us in June,
but she had visitations on weekends.
409
00:18:51,166 --> 00:18:53,867
I don't care if she had visitation.
Your children live with you.
410
00:18:53,867 --> 00:18:55,633
- Yes.
- They don't have to work.
411
00:18:55,633 --> 00:18:58,333
They're your children.
They're not his responsibility.
412
00:18:58,333 --> 00:19:01,033
OK. I just wanna know
where everybody's head is at.
413
00:19:01,033 --> 00:19:02,433
There came a point, Ms. Hall,
414
00:19:02,433 --> 00:19:06,800
when Mr. McPherson
gave you $6,000 in cash.
415
00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:08,567
- No, not in cash.
- Check.
416
00:19:08,567 --> 00:19:11,266
No. One was...
both of them were wired.
417
00:19:11,266 --> 00:19:14,300
One was directly wired
into her Bank of America account...
418
00:19:14,300 --> 00:19:16,400
Wait. Just a second. When?
419
00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:20,667
The first transaction was on July...
I mean, January 31st.
420
00:19:20,667 --> 00:19:23,533
- The second transaction...
- January 31st of?
421
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{\an8}This year. And the second transaction
was the next day, February 1st.
422
00:19:27,500 --> 00:19:29,066
{\an8}$12,000 total.
423
00:19:29,066 --> 00:19:33,333
Do you acknowledge, Ms. Hall,
receiving $12,000 in your account
424
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from Mr. McPherson,
or do I have to look at his records?
425
00:19:36,767 --> 00:19:40,667
I do not acknowledge.
He gave me $6,000 and $4,500.
426
00:19:40,667 --> 00:19:44,100
$6,000 and $4,500, Mr. McPherson.
Does that sound right?
427
00:19:44,100 --> 00:19:46,133
No, it's not right,
and I'm gonna show you.
428
00:19:46,133 --> 00:19:48,834
OK. Let me see your bank record.
429
00:19:48,834 --> 00:19:53,100
Let us assume... let us assume
that it's $6,000 and $4,500
430
00:19:53,100 --> 00:19:57,667
that he gave you in this year, 2022.
431
00:19:57,667 --> 00:19:59,100
- Yes, ma'am.
- Is that correct? OK.
432
00:19:59,100 --> 00:20:02,333
Let us assume for the moment
that you are correct.
433
00:20:02,333 --> 00:20:04,700
- Because you're suing for $6,000.
- Yes.
434
00:20:04,700 --> 00:20:05,767
- Right?
- Yes.
435
00:20:05,767 --> 00:20:08,667
'Cause the first initial $6,000
was eight months' rent.
436
00:20:08,667 --> 00:20:12,834
- That I'm not suing for.
- Let us assume that you are correct...
437
00:20:12,834 --> 00:20:18,367
that he gave you $6,000 and $4,500.
I'm taking you at face value.
438
00:20:18,367 --> 00:20:22,834
In January and February of 2022.
439
00:20:22,834 --> 00:20:25,433
- Yes, ma'am.
- What was the money for?
440
00:20:25,433 --> 00:20:27,567
- That he gave me?
- Yes.
441
00:20:27,567 --> 00:20:29,567
- The two different amounts of money.
- Sure, yes.
442
00:20:29,567 --> 00:20:31,200
- There's a $6,000...
- Mm-hmm.
443
00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,367
...and a $4,500.
444
00:20:33,367 --> 00:20:36,967
{\an8}$4,500 was for me
to pay my car note off, and...
445
00:20:36,967 --> 00:20:38,867
{\an8}- Hey, just a second.
- Go ahead.
446
00:20:38,867 --> 00:20:42,400
- Why would he pay your car note off?
- He said he wanted to.
447
00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:43,967
Oh, no. That's ridiculous.
448
00:20:43,967 --> 00:20:45,934
- Ms. Hall, let me just check.
- So, can I say something?
449
00:20:45,934 --> 00:20:47,200
No.
450
00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,834
He even wrote that on there,
"For your car note."
451
00:20:49,834 --> 00:20:53,767
No, you said, "In January, he won a bet
and cashed it out a few days later.
452
00:20:53,767 --> 00:20:57,567
He gave me money via Cash App
to catch up on his rent,
453
00:20:57,567 --> 00:20:59,633
and as a thank-you
for helping him out."
454
00:20:59,633 --> 00:21:04,266
I don't see anything here
about "Gift for car note" in your answer.
455
00:21:04,266 --> 00:21:07,867
So he gave me the money for the car note,
and as far as the Cash App money,
456
00:21:07,867 --> 00:21:10,500
he gave me money
lots of times, so, yes...
457
00:21:10,500 --> 00:21:13,000
- No, I'm talking about the $6,000, madam.
- Yes.
458
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,333
{\an8}Let us assume he gave you $4,500
to pay off your car note.
459
00:21:16,333 --> 00:21:17,633
{\an8}- That's what you said.
- Correct.
460
00:21:17,633 --> 00:21:19,200
{\an8}What's the $6,000 for?
461
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,266
{\an8}The $6,000 was for us to move.
462
00:21:21,266 --> 00:21:22,834
- For who to move?
- Me and him.
463
00:21:22,834 --> 00:21:24,567
- Show me.
- The $6,000?
464
00:21:24,567 --> 00:21:27,633
Yes. Show me that there's proof.
He says he gave you the money
465
00:21:27,633 --> 00:21:29,734
according to his complaint
to hold for him.
466
00:21:29,734 --> 00:21:33,066
- Yes. We...
- Just a second.
467
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:38,200
Yeah, February 3rd he gave you $6,000.
This just says he gave it to you.
468
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:39,967
- Yes.
- And?
469
00:21:39,967 --> 00:21:42,100
And he told me to hold it
so we can move.
470
00:21:42,100 --> 00:21:43,166
Well, you didn't move.
471
00:21:43,166 --> 00:21:44,834
- No, she didn't move.
- Shh!
472
00:21:44,834 --> 00:21:48,066
Just a second.
He told you to hold it...
473
00:21:48,066 --> 00:21:51,100
- Yeah.
- ...for him so that you could all move.
474
00:21:51,100 --> 00:21:52,800
- No. He told me...
- So who could move?
475
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,834
So me and him
and our children could move.
476
00:21:54,834 --> 00:21:57,033
- Well, that's what I just said!
- I apologize.
477
00:21:57,033 --> 00:21:59,567
- "So that we could move."
- Correct.
478
00:21:59,567 --> 00:22:02,233
- But you didn't move together.
- Correct.
479
00:22:02,233 --> 00:22:04,867
So you have to give him
his money back. That's simple!
480
00:22:04,867 --> 00:22:06,834
- Thank you, thank you, thank you.
- Shh. Just a sec. That's simple.
481
00:22:06,834 --> 00:22:10,300
If you say he gave you the money
so that the two of you could move,
482
00:22:10,300 --> 00:22:14,400
and that event never took place,
but he, in fact, moved out,
483
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:15,767
you owe him $6,000.
484
00:22:15,767 --> 00:22:17,800
- But then he agreed...
- That's-- just a second.
485
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,800
That's an easy. OK. Do I have
to deal with anything else?
486
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,934
Money for lost wages, rent, utilities...
Forget it.
487
00:22:23,934 --> 00:22:28,633
He paid all of that with the $4,500
when he paid off your car note.
488
00:22:28,633 --> 00:22:30,734
Come on, let's get it together.
Lost wages.
489
00:22:30,734 --> 00:22:32,867
What are the lost wages for?
490
00:22:32,867 --> 00:22:36,266
Well, then, I had to take off from work
because of the PFA.
491
00:22:36,266 --> 00:22:40,200
I had to take off from work to go file
at the court and things like that.
492
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:44,066
But-- and the rents missed of,
uh, him saying it's $6,000.
493
00:22:44,066 --> 00:22:46,367
He didn't pay rent.
He didn't pay all of his rent.
494
00:22:46,367 --> 00:22:47,533
He paid off your car note.
495
00:22:47,533 --> 00:22:50,367
You owe him $6,000. Your counterclaim's
dismissed. We're finished.
496
00:22:50,367 --> 00:22:51,633
- Thank you very much.
- OK.
497
00:22:51,633 --> 00:22:53,333
This court is adjourned.
498
00:22:54,066 --> 00:22:55,500
{\an8}Well, I don't agree
with the judge's decision.
499
00:22:55,500 --> 00:22:56,734
{\an8}I don't think I owe him the money.
500
00:22:56,734 --> 00:22:57,800
{\an8}That's what women do.
501
00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:59,867
{\an8}Because he gave me a gift
and he didn't pay rent.
502
00:22:59,867 --> 00:23:03,800
{\an8}- I also spent two grand on her in gifts.
- What's done is done.
503
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,467
{\an8}I'm taking a break from women
for quite some time now.
504
00:23:08,333 --> 00:23:10,200
So, I'm glad that the plaintiff's daughter
505
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,700
didn't have to go
into the larger foster care system
506
00:23:12,700 --> 00:23:14,767
and was able to stay
with plaintiff's mother.
507
00:23:14,767 --> 00:23:17,800
But I was curious that,
if this was a temporary slip-up
508
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,400
and he wasn't going to be
permanently without housing,
509
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,367
why wouldn't he go with his daughter
to his mother's house?
510
00:23:23,367 --> 00:23:25,600
I was surprised
you didn't ask him that question.
511
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,533
You're right.
That's a curious question.
512
00:23:29,533 --> 00:23:31,967
To me, it just seemed like it
might have been a better situation
513
00:23:31,967 --> 00:23:35,033
to crash at your mom's house
with your daughter for a while.
514
00:23:35,033 --> 00:23:38,133
I'm not sure whether
I have that whole story
515
00:23:38,133 --> 00:23:41,667
because they continued the child
in care for a period of time--
516
00:23:41,667 --> 00:23:43,734
at least for almost two years--
517
00:23:43,734 --> 00:23:45,900
because he didn't have custody of her
518
00:23:45,900 --> 00:23:48,500
while he was living with the defendant.
519
00:23:48,500 --> 00:23:52,200
Well, one easy part of the case
was that he was owed his $6,000 back.
520
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,867
- That's all we had to deal with.
- Yes, that was easy.
521
00:23:54,867 --> 00:23:57,033
Once she got her hands on that $6,000
522
00:23:57,033 --> 00:23:58,633
and he was no longer in the picture...
523
00:23:58,633 --> 00:24:00,433
- ...it was hard for her to give up.
- Yep.
524
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,900
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