1 00:00:00,300 --> 00:00:02,300 He'd gotten a restraining order against me. 2 00:00:02,367 --> 00:00:05,767 - Against you? - I sent him a letter saying that 3 00:00:05,834 --> 00:00:07,100 I wanted payment. 4 00:00:07,166 --> 00:00:10,800 This letter threatens to go to his boss 5 00:00:10,867 --> 00:00:12,000 to get him fired. 6 00:00:12,934 --> 00:00:16,000 That's what that says. That's what you were threatening. 7 00:00:16,066 --> 00:00:18,333 [Announcer] This is Judy Justice. 8 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:20,333 [theme music playing] 9 00:00:35,266 --> 00:00:37,033 {\an8}[Announcer] Herman and Tina Smude... 10 00:00:37,100 --> 00:00:40,600 {\an8}are suing their former son-in-law, Dalton MacDonald 11 00:00:40,667 --> 00:00:42,433 {\an8}for unpaid loans. 12 00:00:42,767 --> 00:00:43,767 [Bailiff] Court come to order. 13 00:00:43,834 --> 00:00:45,200 All rise. 14 00:00:46,133 --> 00:00:47,300 Have a seat, please. 15 00:00:49,100 --> 00:00:50,100 Hello, Judge. 16 00:00:50,166 --> 00:00:52,200 Case 2082, Smude versus MacDonald. 17 00:00:52,266 --> 00:00:54,200 - [Judge Judy] Thank you. - [Kevin] You're welcome. 18 00:00:54,266 --> 00:00:55,433 [Judge Judy] Mr. and Mrs. Smude, 19 00:00:55,500 --> 00:00:58,200 the defendant used to be married to your daughter. 20 00:00:58,266 --> 00:00:59,300 Yes, Your Honor. 21 00:00:59,367 --> 00:01:02,900 And according to what I've read, they were married for about five years? 22 00:01:02,967 --> 00:01:03,967 Yes. 23 00:01:04,033 --> 00:01:05,767 The thrust of your claim is that he owes 24 00:01:05,834 --> 00:01:08,800 for a couple of things, for rent and the balance of a truck. 25 00:01:08,867 --> 00:01:10,400 That's your lawsuit against him. 26 00:01:10,467 --> 00:01:14,000 I'd like to know, do you know the date of their marriage? 27 00:01:14,066 --> 00:01:16,333 Three-sixteen, two-thousand and eleven. 28 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,400 [Judge Judy] And your ex-wife's first name? 29 00:01:18,467 --> 00:01:19,467 Jacqueline. 30 00:01:19,533 --> 00:01:22,266 And when did you and your former wife separate? 31 00:01:22,333 --> 00:01:23,900 In two-thousand and twenty. 32 00:01:23,967 --> 00:01:25,300 [Judge Judy] And you had two children. 33 00:01:25,367 --> 00:01:26,367 How old are they now? 34 00:01:26,433 --> 00:01:27,633 They are five and eight. 35 00:01:27,700 --> 00:01:29,867 And who has custody of the children? 36 00:01:29,934 --> 00:01:34,734 {\an8}Dalton has physical, and they have joint custody. 37 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,333 Just a second, so he has custody of the two younger children? 38 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,133 - Yes. - [Judge Judy] That's a yes. 39 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,734 How long have you had custody of the two children? 40 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,233 Since, uh, July of last year. 41 00:01:44,300 --> 00:01:47,567 {\an8}At some point during the marriage, there was a truck purchased. 42 00:01:47,633 --> 00:01:50,166 {\an8}- Yes. - [Judge Judy] Who purchased the truck? 43 00:01:50,233 --> 00:01:53,200 Dalton purchased the truck. I co-signed for it. 44 00:01:53,266 --> 00:01:54,633 [Judge Judy] And when was it purchased? 45 00:01:54,700 --> 00:01:55,700 Month and year? 46 00:01:55,767 --> 00:01:59,400 June of... 2017. 47 00:01:59,467 --> 00:02:00,900 - Was that the only car... - Yes. 48 00:02:00,967 --> 00:02:02,000 - [Judge Judy] ...that they had? - Yes. 49 00:02:02,066 --> 00:02:03,433 [Judge Judy] So that was a family car. 50 00:02:03,500 --> 00:02:04,834 Yes. 51 00:02:04,900 --> 00:02:07,633 And in 2017, was your daughter working? 52 00:02:07,700 --> 00:02:08,700 Yes. 53 00:02:08,767 --> 00:02:10,133 So both parents worked? 54 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,266 And both parents, I assume, pooled their money? 55 00:02:13,333 --> 00:02:16,133 And I assume, made car payments? 56 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:17,200 Yes, Your Honor. 57 00:02:17,266 --> 00:02:18,834 - Yes. - [Judge Judy] Is that correct? Both. 58 00:02:18,900 --> 00:02:22,433 And then they separated in 2020, 59 00:02:22,500 --> 00:02:24,500 and at that time, the children came to live with you? 60 00:02:24,567 --> 00:02:26,100 - Correct. - And you took the truck? 61 00:02:26,166 --> 00:02:28,100 - Yes. - [Judge Judy] By agreement 62 00:02:28,166 --> 00:02:29,633 - with your now ex-wife? - Yes. 63 00:02:29,700 --> 00:02:33,266 [Judge Judy] In 2020, who made the car payments? 64 00:02:33,333 --> 00:02:34,433 My husband did. 65 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:37,500 - [Judge Judy] Is that correct? - Yes. 66 00:02:37,567 --> 00:02:40,433 {\an8}I made all of the car payments on that vehicle. 67 00:02:40,500 --> 00:02:42,300 {\an8}All of them, from the time it was purchased 68 00:02:42,367 --> 00:02:44,367 {\an8}until we paid it off. 69 00:02:44,433 --> 00:02:47,166 Okay, so what you're telling me is, from 2017 70 00:02:47,233 --> 00:02:49,433 you made all the car payments. 71 00:02:49,500 --> 00:02:50,867 That's correct. 72 00:02:50,934 --> 00:02:53,900 Did your daughter and son-in-law make any of those payments? 73 00:02:53,967 --> 00:02:57,800 Not directly, but they paid toward the balance of the money 74 00:02:57,867 --> 00:02:59,700 - that they... - [Judge Judy] You paid for the truck... 75 00:02:59,767 --> 00:03:02,467 - [Herman] That's correct. - ...since 2017, 76 00:03:02,533 --> 00:03:03,633 - since they were married? - That's correct. 77 00:03:03,700 --> 00:03:06,533 - Yes. - [Judge Judy] With no reimbursement? 78 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:10,467 I took payments out of my daughter's check... 79 00:03:10,533 --> 00:03:12,633 [Judge Judy] Just be very, very careful with me, sir. 80 00:03:12,734 --> 00:03:14,300 - Yeah. - I want you to be very careful 81 00:03:14,367 --> 00:03:15,934 with me. I read that, what we call in Yiddish, 82 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,633 bubba misas in here, that you took money 83 00:03:18,700 --> 00:03:19,700 out of your daughter's check. 84 00:03:19,767 --> 00:03:21,934 Bubbas misas, it means grandma's tale, 85 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:23,133 it means it's not true. 86 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,800 It means it doesn't sound right to me. 87 00:03:25,867 --> 00:03:27,800 I read it in here. Don't try to repeat it here 88 00:03:27,867 --> 00:03:30,600 because that won't be good for you. 89 00:03:30,667 --> 00:03:32,734 Okay, I'm going to believe you if you show me 90 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:36,166 copies of her checks that you made to her 91 00:03:36,233 --> 00:03:38,433 with withdrawals for money she owed you. 92 00:03:38,500 --> 00:03:40,433 That's all I want to see. 93 00:03:40,500 --> 00:03:41,900 - Do you have that? - I do not. 94 00:03:41,967 --> 00:03:43,300 [Judge Judy] Not! Of course not. 95 00:03:43,367 --> 00:03:44,633 {\an8}Now, he has the truck. 96 00:03:44,700 --> 00:03:49,300 {\an8}And this was clearly either a gift or a marital debt. 97 00:03:49,367 --> 00:03:50,500 Either one of those two things. 98 00:03:50,567 --> 00:03:53,633 It's either a gift or a marital debt. 99 00:03:53,700 --> 00:03:57,066 It was a family car that was used by your daughter, 100 00:03:57,133 --> 00:04:00,233 her husband, the grandchildren, 101 00:04:00,300 --> 00:04:02,800 with, according to you, no reimbursement. 102 00:04:02,867 --> 00:04:06,967 According to you, except this ridiculous reimbursement 103 00:04:07,033 --> 00:04:08,567 from your daughter's check, which I don't believe, 104 00:04:08,633 --> 00:04:10,367 so I'm not even going into it, 105 00:04:10,433 --> 00:04:14,200 with no reimbursement, 2017, 2018, 106 00:04:14,266 --> 00:04:17,066 2019, 2020. 107 00:04:17,133 --> 00:04:22,467 And when your daughter and the defendant separated in 2020, 108 00:04:22,533 --> 00:04:25,200 according to him, and according to you, 109 00:04:25,266 --> 00:04:27,800 he took the truck and the children. 110 00:04:27,867 --> 00:04:30,033 And that was with her consent or not? 111 00:04:30,100 --> 00:04:32,166 - Yes, it was. - With her consent. 112 00:04:32,233 --> 00:04:35,433 Is that so far right? That's what you're telling me. 113 00:04:35,500 --> 00:04:36,667 - It's accurate. - [Judge Judy] Right. 114 00:04:36,734 --> 00:04:39,800 Did you intervene in the divorce proceeding 115 00:04:39,867 --> 00:04:43,767 and say that there is money owed, marital debt owed, 116 00:04:43,834 --> 00:04:46,300 and part of the marital debt is this loan on the truck? 117 00:04:46,367 --> 00:04:47,800 - No. But we... - [Judge Judy] No. No. 118 00:04:47,867 --> 00:04:49,100 - No. - [Judge Judy] The answer is no. 119 00:04:49,166 --> 00:04:50,166 You did not. 120 00:04:50,233 --> 00:04:54,000 It would also be fair to say that you don't know how much, 121 00:04:54,066 --> 00:04:57,867 according to you, she paid for the truck. 122 00:04:57,934 --> 00:05:00,934 I do, Your Honor. I have that ledger that I have. 123 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,266 I would go to her each week and say, 124 00:05:03,333 --> 00:05:05,734 "Jacqueline, how much can I take toward the loan?" 125 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,200 And that's how much I would take off each week. 126 00:05:08,266 --> 00:05:10,967 All you have to do, sir, is show me. 127 00:05:11,033 --> 00:05:13,233 Otherwise, this is a whole bunch of nonsense. 128 00:05:13,300 --> 00:05:14,934 - Yeah. - [Judge Judy] It's a marital debt. 129 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,800 You did not intervene in the divorce proceedings 130 00:05:17,867 --> 00:05:20,400 and say, "Listen, this is a debt that's still outstanding, 131 00:05:20,467 --> 00:05:23,734 whatever it is, two-thousand, three-thousand, four-thousand dollars. 132 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:25,100 You didn't do that. 133 00:05:25,166 --> 00:05:30,000 Now, the only thing that you can say to me with regard to this truck business 134 00:05:30,066 --> 00:05:32,734 is if you had...you, careful... 135 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,567 had an agreement with the defendant 136 00:05:35,633 --> 00:05:39,400 {\an8}in 2017 to pay the truck. 137 00:05:39,467 --> 00:05:42,133 And be very careful, because what you've told me is 138 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,200 he didn't make any payments to you 139 00:05:45,266 --> 00:05:48,100 from 2017, ever. 140 00:05:48,166 --> 00:05:50,100 - He made some payments. - [Judge Judy] Just a second. 141 00:05:50,166 --> 00:05:54,133 Interesting. Show me where he made payments. 142 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,767 Did you give him a receipt for payments? 143 00:05:56,834 --> 00:05:58,700 No. This... we're... 144 00:05:58,767 --> 00:06:01,266 This is a small town, and we... I mean... 145 00:06:01,333 --> 00:06:03,233 It's not a small town, it's a family, sir. 146 00:06:03,300 --> 00:06:05,600 - It's not a small... - I...I do have the ledger. 147 00:06:05,667 --> 00:06:07,066 I'm not interested in the ledger you created. 148 00:06:07,133 --> 00:06:09,533 Self-serving and, therefore, inadmissible. 149 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,400 And created for the purpose solely of this litigation. 150 00:06:12,467 --> 00:06:16,800 And not created at the same time that the event took place. 151 00:06:16,867 --> 00:06:19,800 I might even cut you a little slack 152 00:06:19,867 --> 00:06:21,734 if you had a ledger, a book, 153 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:26,166 with entries in it at different times from 2017 154 00:06:26,233 --> 00:06:30,133 in different ink with the day, how much was paid back, 155 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:31,667 how much was paid back on the loan. 156 00:06:31,734 --> 00:06:33,400 I guarantee you do not have that. 157 00:06:33,467 --> 00:06:37,266 You have a very nice piece of white paper that you created for me. Is that correct? 158 00:06:37,333 --> 00:06:38,667 - Yes. - [Judge Judy] That is correct. 159 00:06:38,734 --> 00:06:41,834 Okay, so I'm not interested in your ledger. That's not a ledger. 160 00:06:41,900 --> 00:06:44,800 That's a document prepared for the purposes of litigation. 161 00:06:44,867 --> 00:06:48,133 So, I want you to tell me what conversation you had, 162 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,600 and when, with Mr. MacDonald, about paying for the truck. 163 00:06:53,533 --> 00:06:56,100 - They bought this boat from you. - Accurate. 164 00:06:56,166 --> 00:06:57,800 {\an8}And how much did you sell it to them for? 165 00:06:57,867 --> 00:06:59,767 $2,500. 166 00:06:59,834 --> 00:07:01,200 Did they pay you for it? 167 00:07:01,266 --> 00:07:04,300 No, part of that was put on the ledger... 168 00:07:04,367 --> 00:07:05,834 [laughs] 169 00:07:05,900 --> 00:07:07,467 and part of it was cash. 170 00:07:07,533 --> 00:07:08,967 [Judge Judy] You know I'm not buying your whole story. 171 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,500 [theme music playing] 172 00:07:19,934 --> 00:07:22,100 {\an8}[Announcer] Herman and Tina Smude 173 00:07:22,166 --> 00:07:25,333 {\an8}claim their former son-in-law, Dalton MacDonald, 174 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,066 {\an8}owes for unpaid loans. 175 00:07:27,133 --> 00:07:30,600 Now, I want you tell me what conversation you had, 176 00:07:30,667 --> 00:07:33,300 and when, with Mr. MacDonald, about paying for the truck? 177 00:07:33,367 --> 00:07:34,967 That was from the very beginning, 178 00:07:35,033 --> 00:07:37,233 - because I was paying other bills. - No, no... just a sec... 179 00:07:37,300 --> 00:07:39,100 I don't care whether you were paying their bills, 180 00:07:39,166 --> 00:07:40,800 I understand you were paying all their bills 181 00:07:40,867 --> 00:07:43,633 because they came to live with you for a brief period of time, 182 00:07:43,700 --> 00:07:46,066 because they were evicted, for whatever reason. 183 00:07:46,133 --> 00:07:48,767 And that was sometime in two-thousand... 184 00:07:48,834 --> 00:07:50,233 - Sixteen. - [Judge Judy] Sixteen. 185 00:07:50,300 --> 00:07:53,000 Okay. So I understand that you were paying their bills. 186 00:07:53,066 --> 00:07:56,867 Sometimes that's what parents do. They pay their bills. 187 00:07:56,934 --> 00:07:59,900 We were paying their bills 'cause they had no checking account. 188 00:07:59,967 --> 00:08:01,600 That doesn't matter to me. 189 00:08:01,667 --> 00:08:04,700 I want to know your conversations with... 190 00:08:04,767 --> 00:08:06,166 where did it take place, 191 00:08:06,233 --> 00:08:07,667 because you're not suing your daughter. 192 00:08:07,734 --> 00:08:08,767 You're suing him. 193 00:08:08,834 --> 00:08:12,266 The conversation was when we rented the farm for them, 194 00:08:12,333 --> 00:08:14,000 which I know is not with the truck, 195 00:08:14,066 --> 00:08:17,166 but the landlord would not let them rent from him 196 00:08:17,233 --> 00:08:18,433 because they had terrible credit. 197 00:08:18,500 --> 00:08:20,266 We'll get to the rent later. Stick with the truck. 198 00:08:20,333 --> 00:08:21,667 - Okay. - [Judge Judy] Don't talk to him 199 00:08:21,734 --> 00:08:23,367 when I'm asking him questions. 200 00:08:23,433 --> 00:08:25,066 {\an8}Well, the truck was the same thing. 201 00:08:25,133 --> 00:08:27,133 {\an8}We put that on the ledger, then, 202 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,600 {\an8}or on the running total, and they agreed. 203 00:08:30,667 --> 00:08:33,400 {\an8}They both agreed that they were going to pay us off. 204 00:08:33,467 --> 00:08:35,633 - [Judge Judy] Okay. - He came over on Labor Day weekend, 205 00:08:35,700 --> 00:08:39,100 and I showed him the ledger, which he saw all the time. 206 00:08:39,166 --> 00:08:41,433 No, no, no, no, no, no, don't tell me what he saw. 207 00:08:41,500 --> 00:08:43,133 Don't tell me what he saw. 208 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,100 If what you're saying is you showed him the ledger 209 00:08:46,166 --> 00:08:47,633 when he came over with the boys... 210 00:08:47,700 --> 00:08:49,600 - Yes. - [Judge Judy] ...and he was going back 211 00:08:49,667 --> 00:08:50,667 - to Minnesota? - Right. 212 00:08:50,734 --> 00:08:52,900 And he brought the boys to see you to say goodbye? 213 00:08:52,967 --> 00:08:53,967 Correct. 214 00:08:54,033 --> 00:08:55,900 Okay. So, so far, it's very nice, 215 00:08:55,967 --> 00:08:58,200 you have a reasonable relationship with him, 216 00:08:58,266 --> 00:09:01,300 and certainly, your daughter was clearly overwhelmed 217 00:09:01,367 --> 00:09:04,200 because courts do not usually split up children, 218 00:09:04,266 --> 00:09:06,633 so they must have felt that the children's best interests 219 00:09:06,700 --> 00:09:08,967 would be served if they remained with their father. 220 00:09:09,033 --> 00:09:11,667 Clearly, what happened, the father came over to you, 221 00:09:11,734 --> 00:09:13,467 to let you say goodbye to the children, 222 00:09:13,533 --> 00:09:15,600 and when he came over to let you say goodbye 223 00:09:15,667 --> 00:09:17,934 to the children, let me understand what you're saying to me. 224 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:19,300 What you said to him was, 225 00:09:19,367 --> 00:09:22,934 not thank you for taking over this responsibility, 226 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,533 your daughter had more children than she could take care of. 227 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,934 Physically or financially, right? 228 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:29,233 - Clearly. - Yes. 229 00:09:29,300 --> 00:09:33,867 Clearly. So, what you want me to believe, that two nice people, 230 00:09:33,934 --> 00:09:36,800 who took in their daughter, with her two kids, 231 00:09:36,867 --> 00:09:39,100 and a husband, and bought a truck, 232 00:09:39,166 --> 00:09:41,500 and made arrangements for them to have some place 233 00:09:41,567 --> 00:09:45,066 to live, that these two nice people, 234 00:09:45,133 --> 00:09:49,233 when he came over, because your daughter couldn't take care of her children, 235 00:09:49,300 --> 00:09:51,600 and he brought them to say goodbye, you said, "It's very nice, 236 00:09:51,667 --> 00:09:52,900 I want you to take a look at this ledger 237 00:09:52,967 --> 00:09:54,967 and see how much money you owe me." 238 00:09:55,033 --> 00:09:57,400 That's what you're asking me to believe. Right? 239 00:09:57,467 --> 00:10:00,967 I'm going to let you live with that fantasy that I believe that. 240 00:10:01,033 --> 00:10:04,467 And so I did give him the balance of what he owed me on the rent... 241 00:10:04,533 --> 00:10:06,800 - No, no, no. No... - [Herman] ...and on the truck. 242 00:10:06,867 --> 00:10:09,133 Nice. So far... 243 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,333 He looked me in the eye, he shook my hand, 244 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:16,467 and said, "Jerry, I promise I'm not gonna screw you on this. 245 00:10:16,533 --> 00:10:18,033 I am gonna make those payments." 246 00:10:18,100 --> 00:10:20,166 Make payments for what? 247 00:10:20,233 --> 00:10:22,166 On the rent and on the truck. 248 00:10:22,233 --> 00:10:23,433 Okay. Did you have that conversation with him? 249 00:10:23,500 --> 00:10:24,834 No, I did not, Your Honor. 250 00:10:24,900 --> 00:10:28,200 The conversation was, when I came up there the last time, 251 00:10:28,266 --> 00:10:30,400 Jerry was trying to sell his fishing boat, 252 00:10:30,467 --> 00:10:34,033 so I posted it on Facebook, and I sold it for him. 253 00:10:34,100 --> 00:10:35,767 In what month and year? 254 00:10:35,834 --> 00:10:39,033 That would have been September of 2020. 255 00:10:39,100 --> 00:10:43,533 After selling the boat, he gave me $1,200 for helping him... 256 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,033 How much did he sell the boat for? 257 00:10:45,100 --> 00:10:46,333 It was 4,700. 258 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,367 [Judge Judy] So that was after you'd already moved? 259 00:10:48,433 --> 00:10:49,567 {\an8}- [Dalton] Correct. - [Judge Judy] With the children? 260 00:10:49,633 --> 00:10:50,633 {\an8}- Yeah. - [Judge Judy] Okay. 261 00:10:50,700 --> 00:10:52,834 {\an8}He helped you sell the boat for 4,700? 262 00:10:52,900 --> 00:10:54,433 - Just answer my question. - No. 263 00:10:54,500 --> 00:10:56,500 - Did you give him 1,200? - [Herman] No. 264 00:10:56,567 --> 00:11:00,233 {\an8}He bought that boat from me a year prior to that. 265 00:11:00,300 --> 00:11:01,300 He had it. 266 00:11:01,367 --> 00:11:04,266 - So they bought this boat from you? - [Herman] Accurate. 267 00:11:04,333 --> 00:11:07,033 - [Judge Judy] When? - That would've been in the spring 268 00:11:07,100 --> 00:11:09,066 of... 2019. 269 00:11:09,133 --> 00:11:11,100 And how much did you sell it to them for? 270 00:11:11,166 --> 00:11:12,700 $2,500. 271 00:11:12,767 --> 00:11:14,033 Did they pay you for it? 272 00:11:14,100 --> 00:11:17,133 No, part of that was put on the ledger... 273 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,500 - [laughs] - And part of it was cash. 274 00:11:20,567 --> 00:11:22,100 You know I'm not buying your whole story. 275 00:11:22,166 --> 00:11:23,700 I'm not buying your whole story because... 276 00:11:23,767 --> 00:11:26,266 I'm sorry, Your Honor, I'm telling you - the honest-to- - God truth. 277 00:11:26,333 --> 00:11:28,200 No, I don't think so. I don't think that I would have 278 00:11:28,266 --> 00:11:32,100 sold people who had no credit, who couldn't buy themselves a truck, 279 00:11:32,166 --> 00:11:35,433 so you had to co-sign for the only means of transportation 280 00:11:35,500 --> 00:11:38,100 that they had, who couldn't pay for their rent, 281 00:11:38,166 --> 00:11:40,800 couldn't pay their bills because of their bad credit, 282 00:11:40,867 --> 00:11:43,734 I don't believe this whole scenario 283 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,033 about selling them a leisure boat. 284 00:11:46,100 --> 00:11:48,567 A leisure boat for $2,500. 285 00:11:48,633 --> 00:11:52,233 It is mind-boggling that you would think that an intelligent person like me 286 00:11:52,300 --> 00:11:54,333 would accept that. Okay, forget the truck. 287 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:55,500 You have the truck now? 288 00:11:55,567 --> 00:11:56,667 - Yes. - [Judge Judy] Okay. 289 00:11:56,734 --> 00:11:59,767 You haven't finished your story with me. So, you sold the boat, 290 00:11:59,834 --> 00:12:02,100 {\an8}- and he gave you $1,200. - Correct. 291 00:12:02,166 --> 00:12:06,433 {\an8}I gave him the $1,200 back, which made us even on the truck payments, 292 00:12:06,500 --> 00:12:08,800 {\an8}and he gave me the title, Tina signed it, 293 00:12:08,867 --> 00:12:10,266 {\an8}and then I brought it back to Minnesota 294 00:12:10,333 --> 00:12:12,033 {\an8}- and put it in my name. - [Judge Judy] Okay. 295 00:12:12,100 --> 00:12:13,100 Who signed it? 296 00:12:13,166 --> 00:12:14,266 Tina signed it. 297 00:12:14,333 --> 00:12:15,734 My name was on it as well. 298 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:16,967 - [Judge Judy] Your name? - Yes. 299 00:12:17,033 --> 00:12:19,433 - [Judge Judy] As joint owners with him? - Yep. 300 00:12:19,500 --> 00:12:20,867 - Co- sign. - [Judge Judy] Oh. Interesting. 301 00:12:20,934 --> 00:12:24,000 - In what month did... Mrs. Smude... - Yes. 302 00:12:24,066 --> 00:12:25,266 [Judge Judy] sign over the car to you? 303 00:12:25,333 --> 00:12:28,200 The same, uh, day that I gave Jerry the $1,200, 304 00:12:28,266 --> 00:12:29,433 so it would've been in September. 305 00:12:29,500 --> 00:12:31,233 Now do you remember the $1,200? 306 00:12:31,300 --> 00:12:34,934 No. It was 1,000 that he paid toward the loan 307 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,834 when he sold... when I sold the boat for him. 308 00:12:37,900 --> 00:12:38,900 - [Judge Judy] Okay. - And it was his boat 309 00:12:38,967 --> 00:12:40,166 that I sold for him. 310 00:12:40,233 --> 00:12:43,033 Okay. You did not create this as a marital debt, 311 00:12:43,100 --> 00:12:44,967 it absolutely was a marital debt, 312 00:12:45,066 --> 00:12:48,266 so I'm dismissing that portion of your claim that deals with the truck. 313 00:12:48,333 --> 00:12:49,934 Now, let's deal with the rent. 314 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,433 The rent that you're talking about was rent in what property? 315 00:12:53,500 --> 00:12:55,533 The farmhouse that they rented. 316 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:57,767 - [Judge Judy] From when to when? - In 2016. 317 00:12:57,834 --> 00:12:59,433 November 2020. 318 00:12:59,500 --> 00:13:02,500 And over the years that they lived there, 319 00:13:02,567 --> 00:13:04,166 they lived there as a couple. 320 00:13:04,233 --> 00:13:05,834 - Yes. - [Judge Judy] The rent was paid 321 00:13:05,900 --> 00:13:08,066 - to a landlord? - Correct. 322 00:13:08,133 --> 00:13:09,900 - By you? - Yes. 323 00:13:09,967 --> 00:13:11,500 - [Judge Judy] Is that right? - Correct. 324 00:13:11,567 --> 00:13:15,133 And they, your daughter, and her husband, 325 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,734 would give you cash, checks, or whatever... 326 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,266 - Cash, usually. - [Judge Judy] ...to cover the rent. 327 00:13:20,333 --> 00:13:21,333 - [Dalton] Yep. - Yes. 328 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,100 And how much did they give you to cover the rent? 329 00:13:24,166 --> 00:13:27,100 When we started out, rent was $800 330 00:13:27,166 --> 00:13:30,100 and later on he raised it to 900. 331 00:13:30,166 --> 00:13:32,867 We never made it a set amount each week, 332 00:13:32,934 --> 00:13:34,333 they gave us what they could. 333 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,500 {\an8}And we've done this before in the past, 334 00:13:36,567 --> 00:13:38,133 {\an8}and they've always paid us back. 335 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,934 Well, then you should've sued them and listed all of this as a marital debt 336 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,767 in the process of their divorce, so it could all have been... 337 00:13:44,834 --> 00:13:47,066 We're handling Jacqueline in another way. 338 00:13:47,133 --> 00:13:48,233 [Judge Judy] You what? 339 00:13:48,300 --> 00:13:51,033 We're handling Jacqueline alone. 340 00:13:51,100 --> 00:13:52,433 Uh... [stammers] 341 00:13:52,500 --> 00:13:54,367 I don't understand what that means. 342 00:13:54,433 --> 00:13:56,633 Well, you're saying it was marital. 343 00:13:56,700 --> 00:13:57,767 Just a second. Does that mean 344 00:13:57,834 --> 00:14:00,633 that you've already served your daughter with a summons? 345 00:14:00,700 --> 00:14:01,900 - [Tina] Not yet, no. - Of course not. 346 00:14:01,967 --> 00:14:04,400 Of course not. And you did know when they were divorcing? 347 00:14:04,467 --> 00:14:06,066 - Yeah. Yeah. - You did know when they were divorcing? 348 00:14:06,133 --> 00:14:08,433 I'm not buying anything of this lawsuit. 349 00:14:08,500 --> 00:14:11,600 Most of which, at least the rent part, is totally stale. 350 00:14:11,667 --> 00:14:14,633 I'm just curious, Mr. and Mrs. Smude. 351 00:14:14,700 --> 00:14:17,100 Somebody wants to answer this question for me. 352 00:14:17,166 --> 00:14:20,867 Mr. MacDonald has custody of your two young grandsons. 353 00:14:20,934 --> 00:14:23,000 - Yes. - [Judge Judy] Who I assume 354 00:14:23,066 --> 00:14:25,266 that you were close to, because they lived with you in your house. 355 00:14:25,333 --> 00:14:27,900 - They came back to live with us. - [Judge Judy] Mm? 356 00:14:27,967 --> 00:14:30,133 The two boys came back to live with us. 357 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:31,233 [Judge Judy] From when to when? 358 00:14:31,300 --> 00:14:36,433 December of 2021 until July of 2022, 359 00:14:36,500 --> 00:14:37,500 six months we had them. 360 00:14:37,567 --> 00:14:38,934 Just a second, 2022. 361 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,500 - Was there a court proceeding? - [Mr. and Mrs. Smude] No. 362 00:14:41,567 --> 00:14:44,033 But then in July, they went back with their father? 363 00:14:44,100 --> 00:14:45,266 That's accurate. 364 00:14:45,333 --> 00:14:46,767 And they've been with their father since? 365 00:14:46,834 --> 00:14:47,834 Yes. 366 00:14:47,900 --> 00:14:50,133 [Judge Judy] Okay, so the boys lived with you 367 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,467 - for six, seven months? - Right. 368 00:14:52,533 --> 00:14:55,867 Was that an acrimonious transfer? 369 00:14:58,567 --> 00:15:00,400 {\an8}That's when you meant when you said 370 00:15:00,467 --> 00:15:03,633 "Any employer that has gone through all that paperwork 371 00:15:03,700 --> 00:15:07,367 and red tape as I have will do anything to avoid it." 372 00:15:07,433 --> 00:15:10,000 The "anything" is firing the employee. 373 00:15:16,433 --> 00:15:17,900 [theme music playing] 374 00:15:21,500 --> 00:15:23,667 {\an8}[Announcer] Herman and Tina Smude 375 00:15:23,734 --> 00:15:27,133 {\an8}are accusing their former son-in-law, Dalton MacDonald, 376 00:15:27,300 --> 00:15:30,000 {\an8}of refusing to pay back loans. 377 00:15:30,066 --> 00:15:35,567 Was that an acrimonious transfer or was it something that you both... 378 00:15:35,633 --> 00:15:39,467 What happened there was, he called my husband, to see if... 379 00:15:39,533 --> 00:15:41,367 No, no, no, don't tell me what he said to your husband. 380 00:15:41,433 --> 00:15:42,800 - Okay, you can tell 'em. - I will tell you, then. 381 00:15:42,867 --> 00:15:44,867 He called me in December, 382 00:15:44,934 --> 00:15:47,433 and asked me if I would please take the two boys. 383 00:15:47,500 --> 00:15:51,900 I told him I will take 'em, Dalton, if you start making regular payments... 384 00:15:51,967 --> 00:15:56,400 Oh, well, that's... I'm not... I'm... We're out of the money business now, sir. 385 00:15:56,467 --> 00:15:59,266 What you're saying is, from 2017, 386 00:15:59,333 --> 00:16:01,467 when the children, who are in his custody, 387 00:16:01,533 --> 00:16:04,367 your daughter may have been there, but they were in joint custody, 388 00:16:04,433 --> 00:16:06,533 and then he maintained custody of the children, 389 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,033 and during the time he maintained custody of the children, 390 00:16:09,100 --> 00:16:13,600 there was no question whatsoever that he was not paying you back money. 391 00:16:13,667 --> 00:16:16,400 He did not make any payments to you. 392 00:16:16,467 --> 00:16:18,900 Occasional, here and there, we don't keep records. 393 00:16:18,967 --> 00:16:21,433 All of a sudden, now you have the boys with you, 394 00:16:21,500 --> 00:16:25,667 and then in July, he comes back and he takes the boys back. 395 00:16:25,734 --> 00:16:28,900 All I asked you was whether that was an acrimonious, 396 00:16:28,967 --> 00:16:30,767 which is an unpleasant, 397 00:16:30,834 --> 00:16:34,166 or a harmonious transfer of the children. 398 00:16:34,233 --> 00:16:36,600 Mr. Smude, was that in July? 399 00:16:36,667 --> 00:16:40,533 In July, it was acrimonious because at that point, 400 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:42,700 he'd gotten a restraining order against me. 401 00:16:42,767 --> 00:16:44,500 {\an8}- Against you? - [Herman] Against me, 402 00:16:44,567 --> 00:16:45,967 {\an8}while we had the children, 403 00:16:46,033 --> 00:16:48,900 {\an8}because I sent him a letter 404 00:16:48,967 --> 00:16:52,467 {\an8}saying that I wanted payment, 405 00:16:52,533 --> 00:16:55,367 {\an8}and he went and got a restraining order against me, 406 00:16:55,433 --> 00:16:57,133 {\an8}because they took that as a threat. 407 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,800 I'd like to see the letter, please, Kevin. 408 00:17:07,567 --> 00:17:10,266 "And this is what needs to happen moving forward." 409 00:17:10,333 --> 00:17:11,433 [Herman] That's correct. 410 00:17:11,500 --> 00:17:14,300 "You need to mail me $200 on the first of every month 411 00:17:14,367 --> 00:17:18,233 and $200 on the 15th starting March 1st, 2022. 412 00:17:18,300 --> 00:17:20,433 If I do not get these payments on time, 413 00:17:20,500 --> 00:17:22,967 the following will happen..." which is, you know, 414 00:17:23,033 --> 00:17:25,000 you could say I'm going to sue you, right? 415 00:17:25,066 --> 00:17:26,433 - Right. - [Judge Judy] I'm gonna sue you. 416 00:17:26,500 --> 00:17:27,500 But that's not what you say. 417 00:17:27,567 --> 00:17:30,800 You say, "I will go to your boss and talk to them 418 00:17:30,867 --> 00:17:33,100 about garnishing your wages. 419 00:17:33,166 --> 00:17:36,000 Any employer that has gone through all the paperwork 420 00:17:36,066 --> 00:17:39,567 and red tape as I have will do anything to avoid it." 421 00:17:39,633 --> 00:17:41,700 So, that's a threat. 422 00:17:41,767 --> 00:17:43,934 What you're saying is, I'm gonna call your boss 423 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,734 and tell him that I'm going to sue you, 424 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,166 and then your boss is gonna have to go through 425 00:17:50,233 --> 00:17:54,500 all the red tape of what it means to have a garnish on your salary. 426 00:17:54,567 --> 00:17:57,400 You have to go through accounting, and they have to deduct it, 427 00:17:57,467 --> 00:17:59,800 and no boss wants to do that. 428 00:17:59,867 --> 00:18:01,467 Which is in effect saying, so either you pay me, 429 00:18:01,533 --> 00:18:03,033 or your boss is gonna fire you. 430 00:18:03,100 --> 00:18:04,700 That's what you meant when you said, 431 00:18:04,767 --> 00:18:08,700 "Any employer that has gone through all that paperwork and red tape 432 00:18:08,767 --> 00:18:11,467 as I have will do anything to avoid it." 433 00:18:11,533 --> 00:18:14,300 The "anything" is firing the employee. 434 00:18:14,367 --> 00:18:16,533 I don't think you can legally fire somebody for that. 435 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:17,600 [Judge Judy] Just a second. 436 00:18:17,667 --> 00:18:19,333 Whether you can legally fire them or not, 437 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:20,600 that's what you were threatening. 438 00:18:20,667 --> 00:18:21,834 That's what that says. 439 00:18:21,900 --> 00:18:23,934 So he got an order of protection against you. 440 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:25,200 - Correct. - [Judge Judy] And? 441 00:18:25,266 --> 00:18:30,000 {\an8}Then, I didn't fight it, because I didn't anticipate having any conversations 442 00:18:30,066 --> 00:18:32,033 {\an8}or contact with him. 443 00:18:32,100 --> 00:18:35,266 When you wrote this letter, you had the boys. 444 00:18:35,333 --> 00:18:36,467 - Yes. - [Judge Judy] Right. 445 00:18:36,533 --> 00:18:37,533 - Not before. - [Herman] No. 446 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:41,066 Not before, and he had had the boys for some time alone. 447 00:18:41,133 --> 00:18:42,300 Pretty much. 448 00:18:42,367 --> 00:18:43,834 [Judge Judy] He had had the boys for some time alone. 449 00:18:43,900 --> 00:18:44,900 Okay. 450 00:18:44,967 --> 00:18:47,600 Let's go back to my original question, which was, 451 00:18:47,667 --> 00:18:52,567 when the boys went back to their father, was it acrimonious or harmonious? 452 00:18:52,633 --> 00:18:55,300 - It was not good. - [Judge Judy] Well, so tell me 453 00:18:55,367 --> 00:18:57,200 your version of what happened. 454 00:18:57,266 --> 00:19:00,166 The reason it was acrimonious is because 455 00:19:00,233 --> 00:19:03,367 he knew very well that once we got 'em, we'd put 'em on a strict schedule. 456 00:19:03,433 --> 00:19:06,400 Eight o'clock, brush your teeth, 8:15, pajamas, 457 00:19:06,467 --> 00:19:07,633 8:30, bed. 458 00:19:07,700 --> 00:19:08,834 Where was your daughter living at this time? 459 00:19:08,900 --> 00:19:10,400 - With us. - [Judge Judy] Yuh! 460 00:19:10,467 --> 00:19:12,533 Just a second. If you're going to interrupt him, 461 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:14,300 - 'cause you wanna get it out, - I'm sorry. 462 00:19:14,367 --> 00:19:15,834 [Judge Judy] that's not gonna be good for you. 463 00:19:15,900 --> 00:19:18,433 - She had a room at our house... - [Judge Judy] Just a second, 464 00:19:18,500 --> 00:19:20,066 so your daughter was living with you. 465 00:19:20,133 --> 00:19:24,133 So what you're telling me was your daughter was in the wind someplace. 466 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:25,800 - Accurate. - [Judge Judy] Okay. 467 00:19:25,867 --> 00:19:29,400 You know, you had her for a long time. He only had her for five years. 468 00:19:29,467 --> 00:19:33,100 And I can understand the sadness if your daughter is in the wind, 469 00:19:33,166 --> 00:19:34,834 and not being responsible, sir. 470 00:19:34,900 --> 00:19:37,500 But that doesn't mean he has to shoulder all the burden. 471 00:19:37,567 --> 00:19:41,400 Right now he's shouldering all the burden of supporting... of supporting 472 00:19:41,467 --> 00:19:43,734 the two children, which I assume you're doing, 473 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:45,400 they're living with you? And s...are you working? 474 00:19:45,467 --> 00:19:47,767 - Yes, I am. - [Judge Judy] And he's working. 475 00:19:47,834 --> 00:19:48,934 Your daughter is not? 476 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:50,266 She's working two jobs. 477 00:19:50,333 --> 00:19:53,100 - Oh. If she's working two jobs, - [Tina] She always has. 478 00:19:53,166 --> 00:19:54,834 - why was she in a room? - She wasn't renting, 479 00:19:54,900 --> 00:19:56,300 she was living there free. 480 00:19:56,367 --> 00:19:58,567 Okay. So now, let's back to 481 00:19:58,633 --> 00:20:03,166 this acrimonious transfer of the children back in July. 482 00:20:03,233 --> 00:20:05,767 - Dalton called me, or called the kids... - [Judge Judy] Okay, 483 00:20:05,834 --> 00:20:07,700 - so he called the children... - [Herman] after bedtime. 484 00:20:07,767 --> 00:20:09,233 - Okay, and? - [Herman] Called my wife's phone 485 00:20:09,300 --> 00:20:11,900 four times, ring, ring, ring, ring, and she wouldn't answer, 486 00:20:11,967 --> 00:20:13,567 'cause the kids were in bed. 487 00:20:13,633 --> 00:20:16,266 And then he called my phone, twice. 488 00:20:16,333 --> 00:20:18,900 The second time, I have an old flip phone, 489 00:20:18,967 --> 00:20:21,867 I flipped it, walked in, 'cause now I hear the boys are awake, 490 00:20:21,934 --> 00:20:23,300 I let him talk to the boys. 491 00:20:23,367 --> 00:20:25,800 And then I took the phone back, 492 00:20:25,867 --> 00:20:28,867 and I said some naughty things to him and hung it up. 493 00:20:28,934 --> 00:20:30,767 Why did you say naughty things to him for? 494 00:20:30,834 --> 00:20:32,900 Because I was very angry at him... 495 00:20:32,967 --> 00:20:36,633 [stammers] Can I use some swear words that I used when I told him? 496 00:20:36,700 --> 00:20:39,500 No, I assume you used some terrible words, but I want... 497 00:20:39,567 --> 00:20:41,066 I just told him, don't call me anymore. 498 00:20:41,133 --> 00:20:43,500 Is there any reason that you discussed with your wife 499 00:20:43,567 --> 00:20:45,500 why she didn't answer the phone? 500 00:20:45,567 --> 00:20:49,166 Because the boys were already in bed. He had done that before. 501 00:20:49,233 --> 00:20:50,900 You already told me that you heard the boys, 502 00:20:50,967 --> 00:20:53,900 - so you took the phone into his room. - No, after the phone calls, they woke up. 503 00:20:53,967 --> 00:20:56,367 Is what you're telling me that that's the first time 504 00:20:56,433 --> 00:20:58,900 that he tried to talk to the boys 505 00:20:58,967 --> 00:21:02,333 that you or your wife didn't answer the phone? 506 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:06,900 I think it probably happened once or twice prior, and then we told him 507 00:21:06,967 --> 00:21:09,066 - don't do it anymore. - [Judge Judy] Okay. Fine. 508 00:21:09,133 --> 00:21:10,533 [Herman] Though this time we were fed up. 509 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,533 Fine. So, that's when he said, 510 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:14,467 - "I'm coming to take the boys"? - [Herman] No. 511 00:21:14,533 --> 00:21:15,533 - No. - [Judge Judy] Well, when did he say 512 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:16,934 he was coming to take the boys? 513 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,200 Not until July. 514 00:21:19,266 --> 00:21:22,800 Jacqueline told us that Dalton was gonna be taking the kids 515 00:21:22,867 --> 00:21:24,900 - once they got out of school - [Judge Judy] Okay. 516 00:21:24,967 --> 00:21:26,734 I'm gonna take the pain out of this case, 517 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:28,934 and I'm gonna do it relatively quickly. 518 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,800 I think, Mr. and Mrs. Smude, that this lawsuit was very ill-advised. 519 00:21:32,867 --> 00:21:35,233 The defendant doesn't owe you any money. 520 00:21:35,300 --> 00:21:37,300 He doesn't owe you any money because if there was money owed, 521 00:21:37,367 --> 00:21:39,667 it was a marital debt, and it should've been take up 522 00:21:39,734 --> 00:21:41,033 at the time of the divorce, 523 00:21:41,100 --> 00:21:44,567 listed as a marital debt, and then it could've been fixed 524 00:21:44,633 --> 00:21:47,200 by the judge who approved the divorce, 525 00:21:47,266 --> 00:21:50,867 how much and by whom is owed money. 526 00:21:50,934 --> 00:21:52,266 You chose not to do that. 527 00:21:52,333 --> 00:21:56,500 It was only after a very acrimonious set of circumstances, 528 00:21:56,567 --> 00:21:59,100 roughly five and a half years later, 529 00:21:59,166 --> 00:22:00,934 after this truck was purchased, 530 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:05,700 that you chose to exercise any prerogatives with regard to a debt. 531 00:22:05,767 --> 00:22:10,333 Except this letter, which threatens to go to his boss, 532 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:14,200 to get him fired, if you don't start making payments, 533 00:22:14,266 --> 00:22:17,834 and that was only after the two children came to live with you, 534 00:22:17,900 --> 00:22:19,834 and were sort of overwhelmed. 535 00:22:19,900 --> 00:22:21,867 You have to understand. Mr. MacDonald, 536 00:22:21,934 --> 00:22:25,433 who I think probably is trying, he's got the two boys. 537 00:22:25,500 --> 00:22:27,500 It got very complicated, but it's not a lawsuit, 538 00:22:27,567 --> 00:22:29,266 and I would make nice with him. 539 00:22:29,333 --> 00:22:33,133 He's got two children that you probably want to have some connection with, 540 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,734 and this lawsuit certainly doesn't help that. 541 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,100 Well, anyway, for all the reasons that I've stated, 542 00:22:37,166 --> 00:22:38,867 - Your Honor... - [Judge Judy] your lawsuit's dismissed. 543 00:22:38,934 --> 00:22:40,033 - We're finished. - [Dalton] Thank you, Your Honor. 544 00:22:40,100 --> 00:22:41,800 [Kevin] This court is adjourned. 545 00:22:41,867 --> 00:22:45,233 He owes us that money, he admitted that he owed us the money... 546 00:22:45,300 --> 00:22:46,734 {\an8}I think the judge was absolutely correct. 547 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,300 He promised he was gonna pay us the money back. 548 00:22:49,367 --> 00:22:50,767 I don't owe Jerry any money... 549 00:22:50,834 --> 00:22:52,967 Kids are irresponsible, 550 00:22:53,033 --> 00:22:56,133 have no sense of honor, duty, 551 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,000 respect, responsibility, nothin'. 552 00:22:59,066 --> 00:23:02,667 Really should be a family thing, and maybe one day it can go back to it. 553 00:23:03,300 --> 00:23:07,066 This is a great case that explains why a lot of cases in civil court 554 00:23:07,133 --> 00:23:09,900 have a statute of limitations before you can bring 555 00:23:09,967 --> 00:23:11,967 a certain kind of case, because here, 556 00:23:12,033 --> 00:23:13,567 it was hard for us to understand 557 00:23:13,633 --> 00:23:17,166 why they would not have requested that money back earlier. 558 00:23:17,233 --> 00:23:19,800 So, when you ask for it now, years down the line, 559 00:23:19,867 --> 00:23:21,266 where so much has happened, 560 00:23:21,333 --> 00:23:24,266 court's not so likely to feed into that 561 00:23:24,333 --> 00:23:27,066 because you don't know what the real motivation is behind it. 562 00:23:27,133 --> 00:23:30,667 I agree, I think it's really foolish of them. 563 00:23:30,734 --> 00:23:32,600 - Mm-hmm. - [Judge Judy] Especially since 564 00:23:32,700 --> 00:23:35,633 their ex-son-in-law has total custody 565 00:23:35,700 --> 00:23:37,500 of these two little boys, 566 00:23:37,567 --> 00:23:39,300 for them not to maintain 567 00:23:39,367 --> 00:23:42,000 a reasonable relationship with him. 568 00:23:42,066 --> 00:23:44,767 It was a good showing, though, that if you do give money 569 00:23:44,834 --> 00:23:47,633 to your daughter, son, and their significant other, 570 00:23:47,700 --> 00:23:50,867 and they do get divorced, you should follow that divorce proceeding, 571 00:23:50,934 --> 00:23:53,233 - so if you do have a claim... - A legitimate debt. 572 00:23:53,300 --> 00:23:54,400 - A legitimate debt or claim... - List it. 573 00:23:54,467 --> 00:23:56,200 then, that's the place where you should bring it. 574 00:23:56,266 --> 00:23:57,533 - Absolutely. - Mm- hmm. 575 00:23:58,900 --> 00:24:00,900 [Announcer] Are you having a family dispute? 576 00:24:00,967 --> 00:24:03,300 {\an8}Go to JudyJustice.tv.