1 00:00:00,533 --> 00:00:02,967 She owes you money for her daughter's dance lessons. 2 00:00:03,033 --> 00:00:06,800 - Yes. - You claim you're owed $946, 3 00:00:06,867 --> 00:00:11,667 then you want $7,200 'cause it includes interest. 4 00:00:11,734 --> 00:00:13,834 I try to be kind to people. 5 00:00:13,900 --> 00:00:15,300 That's not being kind. 6 00:00:15,367 --> 00:00:17,500 [narrator] This is Judy Justice. 7 00:00:17,567 --> 00:00:20,166 {\an8}[theme music playing] 8 00:00:34,700 --> 00:00:38,834 {\an8}[narrator] Jennifer Renner is suing her client, Dani Velasquez, 9 00:00:38,900 --> 00:00:40,834 for dance class fees. 10 00:00:40,900 --> 00:00:42,967 [bailiff] Court, come to order. All rise. 11 00:00:43,033 --> 00:00:44,033 Have a seat, please. 12 00:00:45,266 --> 00:00:48,133 {\an8}Hello, Judge. Case #2086, Renner versus Velasquez. 13 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,066 {\an8}- Thank you. - You're welcome. 14 00:00:50,133 --> 00:00:51,967 Miss Renner, you run a dance studio. 15 00:00:52,033 --> 00:00:52,900 I do. 16 00:00:52,967 --> 00:00:55,266 - [Judy] How long have you had it? - Thirty years. 17 00:00:55,333 --> 00:00:57,533 [Judy] And what age children do you teach? 18 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:59,967 We have a mommy and me class which starts at 18 months, 19 00:01:00,100 --> 00:01:02,100 and our oldest student is 19 years old. 20 00:01:02,166 --> 00:01:03,967 [Judy] And Miss Velasquez has a daughter. 21 00:01:04,033 --> 00:01:04,900 Mm-hmm. 22 00:01:04,967 --> 00:01:07,734 [Judy] And she was at your school during what period of time? 23 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:12,834 She started in June of 2020 and she quit in June of this year. 24 00:01:12,900 --> 00:01:16,967 Your lawsuit is simple. You claim that Miss Velasquez owes you money 25 00:01:17,033 --> 00:01:19,266 {\an8}- for her daughter's dance lessons. - Yes. 26 00:01:19,333 --> 00:01:23,000 {\an8}The Defendant, actually, disavows owing you any money. 27 00:01:23,066 --> 00:01:26,533 She said that you actually behaved in a mean-spirited way 28 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,600 in not allowing her daughter to finish her recital. 29 00:01:29,667 --> 00:01:34,734 So, I'm trying to think back to my days when I was six and seven. 30 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,300 And if I remember correctly, the name of the school that I went to, 31 00:01:38,367 --> 00:01:42,734 and I know that this is not something that everybody is breathless to hear about. 32 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:47,633 But I haven't had one of these cases, and I was thinking back to Miss Nottage, 33 00:01:47,700 --> 00:01:53,066 who had a dancing school in her home on Parkside Avenue in Brooklyn. 34 00:01:53,133 --> 00:01:56,800 And I do remember that you took classes for... 35 00:01:56,867 --> 00:02:02,500 I took toe, tap, ballet and acrobatics, which was not my strong suit. 36 00:02:02,567 --> 00:02:05,900 Any of them, none of them were my strong suit. 37 00:02:05,967 --> 00:02:08,400 My father always said that I should sue the city 38 00:02:08,467 --> 00:02:13,433 because they built the sidewalk too close to my behind because my legs are short. 39 00:02:13,500 --> 00:02:17,800 So, being a ballerina was really not physically possible for me, 40 00:02:17,867 --> 00:02:20,133 but in my mind, I thought I was a ballerina. 41 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:22,433 Anyway, as do most little girls, I assume. 42 00:02:22,500 --> 00:02:26,967 So, you work during the year and at the end of the year of your dance class, 43 00:02:27,033 --> 00:02:31,100 I remember you gave a recital. Everybody got all excited 44 00:02:31,166 --> 00:02:34,500 and dressed for the recital. I assume that's what happens in your class. 45 00:02:34,567 --> 00:02:37,000 - Mm-hmm. Yes. Yes. - [Judy] Yes. That's a yes. 46 00:02:37,066 --> 00:02:39,867 Did you have a contract with Miss Velasquez? 47 00:02:39,934 --> 00:02:43,934 I have a registration form which acknowledges receipt of studio policies. 48 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,834 Well, policies is not a contract. But I'll take a look at it anyway. 49 00:02:47,900 --> 00:02:50,300 The question is, do you have a signed contract with her? 50 00:02:50,367 --> 00:02:51,667 - [Jennifer] No. - Okay. 51 00:02:51,734 --> 00:02:52,934 May I take a look at that? 52 00:03:03,767 --> 00:03:07,467 According to these policies, which are not a written contract 53 00:03:07,533 --> 00:03:11,000 because she has not signed this document, in particular. 54 00:03:11,066 --> 00:03:13,934 {\an8}You say you acknowledge receipt of it. What it mostly is 55 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:18,033 {\an8}to tell them what the instructions are and give you a release of liability. 56 00:03:18,100 --> 00:03:23,700 It does indicate here that full tuition is due on the first class of each month. 57 00:03:23,767 --> 00:03:26,834 And how much was the tuition for Miss Velasquez's daughter? 58 00:03:26,900 --> 00:03:30,500 From January through June, it was $170 a month. 59 00:03:30,567 --> 00:03:33,934 And then, from September through December it was $165 a month. 60 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,900 [Judy] Okay. So, around $170 a month. 61 00:03:36,967 --> 00:03:41,066 And I assume she was current on her tuition in 2020. 62 00:03:41,133 --> 00:03:46,867 And in 2020, did Miss Velasquez make her payments on the first of each month? 63 00:03:46,934 --> 00:03:50,400 Well, I can't say exactly on the first, but yes, it was always current. 64 00:03:50,467 --> 00:03:52,400 - Which is why... - [Judy] That's not what I asked you. 65 00:03:52,467 --> 00:03:57,600 Was it made, pursuant to your policies here on the first of each month? 66 00:03:57,667 --> 00:04:00,567 I don't know. I don't remember specifically. 67 00:04:00,633 --> 00:04:02,633 [Judy] What about in 2021? 68 00:04:02,700 --> 00:04:05,700 Were her payments made on the first of each month? 69 00:04:05,767 --> 00:04:06,700 No. 70 00:04:06,767 --> 00:04:11,867 When did she stop making payments in 2021 on the first of each month? 71 00:04:11,934 --> 00:04:16,300 Well, I have emailed spreadsheets here, and so, starting in December, 72 00:04:16,367 --> 00:04:19,166 she asked me if she could make small payments, 73 00:04:19,233 --> 00:04:22,066 {\an8}increments throughout the month because she was a single mother, 74 00:04:22,133 --> 00:04:25,300 {\an8}and wasn't able to make the full payment on the first of the month. 75 00:04:25,367 --> 00:04:28,333 So, you said yes, that she could make payments incrementally. 76 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:29,333 Mm-hmm. 77 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,633 And do you have that same arrangement with some other parents? 78 00:04:32,700 --> 00:04:33,633 [Jennifer] I do. 79 00:04:33,700 --> 00:04:37,200 [Judy] How many other parents do you have that arrangement with? 80 00:04:37,266 --> 00:04:39,667 Well, anybody who asks, um, in... 81 00:04:39,734 --> 00:04:42,433 How many? You run the school. How many students do you have? 82 00:04:42,500 --> 00:04:43,500 Five. 83 00:04:43,567 --> 00:04:45,834 You have that arrangement with this mother, plus five? 84 00:04:45,900 --> 00:04:46,767 [Jennifer] Mm-hmm. 85 00:04:46,834 --> 00:04:49,266 And that is inconsistent with your policies? 86 00:04:49,333 --> 00:04:50,800 I... Yes. 87 00:04:50,867 --> 00:04:53,900 That would be a yes. Now, tell me what happened. 88 00:04:53,967 --> 00:04:58,867 {\an8}Miss Velasquez, that caused you to fall behind in your payments? 89 00:04:58,934 --> 00:05:01,266 {\an8}You acknowledge you fell behind in your payments. 90 00:05:01,333 --> 00:05:02,200 {\an8}Yes, I do. 91 00:05:02,266 --> 00:05:04,300 When did you fall behind in your payments? 92 00:05:04,367 --> 00:05:08,500 I asked Miss Renner if I could start making payments in September of 2021, 93 00:05:08,567 --> 00:05:11,266 which I have written, as well, if you would like to see that. 94 00:05:11,333 --> 00:05:14,967 And in October, I didn't pay anything because my father passed away. 95 00:05:15,033 --> 00:05:18,100 And I explained that to her and then I made up for it in November 96 00:05:18,166 --> 00:05:20,967 through payments. And I just continued to pay as I could, 97 00:05:21,033 --> 00:05:22,900 with being a single mom. 98 00:05:22,967 --> 00:05:26,367 Well, that's not a reason to not pay her, being a single mom, 99 00:05:26,433 --> 00:05:27,934 as you could. You understand that? 100 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:29,100 Yeah, absolutely. 101 00:05:29,166 --> 00:05:31,300 Okay. So, I'm sure you're doing the best you can. 102 00:05:31,367 --> 00:05:33,800 You're trying to give your little girl... How old is she? 103 00:05:33,867 --> 00:05:34,734 Nine. 104 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,834 Trying to give her the best possible experience, it's all wonderful, 105 00:05:37,900 --> 00:05:42,300 but this is her business, and if you owe her money, then you owe her money. 106 00:05:42,367 --> 00:05:43,233 [Dani] Mm-hmm. 107 00:05:43,300 --> 00:05:47,400 Since the policies are honored and sometimes not, 108 00:05:47,467 --> 00:05:51,133 there is one part of your policy, even though that this is a contract 109 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,467 that I actually find ridiculous because in your lawsuit 110 00:05:54,533 --> 00:05:57,333 you claim you're owed $946 111 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:02,500 {\an8}and $7,169.76 interest. 112 00:06:02,567 --> 00:06:04,266 {\an8}That's not happening. 113 00:06:04,333 --> 00:06:07,033 And it's not happening. You gave me an easy out 114 00:06:07,100 --> 00:06:09,166 because you really don't enforce your own policies. 115 00:06:09,233 --> 00:06:11,467 I try to be kind to people who need help. 116 00:06:11,533 --> 00:06:15,233 I try to be kind, too. Being kind is not suing somebody for $900 117 00:06:15,300 --> 00:06:18,700 and suing them for $9,000. That's not being kind. 118 00:06:18,767 --> 00:06:21,500 Because, you know, there's no question that... 119 00:06:21,567 --> 00:06:23,800 - You agree you owe her some money. - Yeah. 120 00:06:23,867 --> 00:06:28,533 But it's an unconscionable... Even if there was a contract for it, 121 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,700 I would probably find that an unconscionable piece. 122 00:06:30,767 --> 00:06:35,767 Somebody who owes you less than $1,000 and you want $7,200 123 00:06:35,834 --> 00:06:38,934 cause it includes interest. I find that ridiculous. 124 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,633 How many students were in Miss Velasquez's class? 125 00:06:42,700 --> 00:06:44,066 Approximately 18. 126 00:06:44,133 --> 00:06:48,200 When you say "approximately 18," the number varied based on what? 127 00:06:48,266 --> 00:06:51,633 Well, on my memory. It was either 18 or 19 children, 128 00:06:51,700 --> 00:06:54,266 I don't remember how many. That's a very large class. 129 00:06:54,333 --> 00:06:56,100 Are you the sole teacher? 130 00:06:56,166 --> 00:06:59,934 Well, I do the ballet and I have a teacher who teaches the jazz class. 131 00:07:00,066 --> 00:07:01,867 Your daughter takes ballet or jazz? 132 00:07:01,934 --> 00:07:03,033 - Or both? - Both. Yeah. 133 00:07:03,100 --> 00:07:05,000 Your daughter stopped going to school when? 134 00:07:05,066 --> 00:07:06,100 May 17th. 135 00:07:06,166 --> 00:07:07,500 Tell me the circumstances. 136 00:07:07,567 --> 00:07:11,066 That was when I got a ledger from, um, 137 00:07:11,133 --> 00:07:14,867 {\an8}the studio that said that I owed $965. 138 00:07:14,934 --> 00:07:18,967 {\an8}And my math was thinking I was closer to like $360. 139 00:07:19,033 --> 00:07:22,433 So, I kept messaging and asking where the confusion was 140 00:07:22,500 --> 00:07:24,867 and I didn't get a response until May 27th. 141 00:07:24,934 --> 00:07:25,800 That said what? 142 00:07:25,867 --> 00:07:29,033 That said I owed $1,300. And this was from Miss Jenny. 143 00:07:29,100 --> 00:07:31,834 And that was for late fees? What was it for? 144 00:07:31,900 --> 00:07:35,300 The dance team and the costumes for the recital that was coming up. 145 00:07:35,367 --> 00:07:39,433 Okay. Well, do you have a ledger? And I'd like to see your ledger. 146 00:07:39,500 --> 00:07:43,633 So far, I have, according to you, what you owe, 147 00:07:43,700 --> 00:07:45,500 - because you did a breakdown - Yeah. 148 00:07:45,567 --> 00:07:49,567 of what you owe. It is your claim that you owe $846. 149 00:07:49,633 --> 00:07:50,734 - Correct? - Yep. 150 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,467 [Judy] And she says you owe $946. 151 00:07:54,533 --> 00:07:57,333 That's without the interest and the late fees. 152 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:58,333 Yeah. 153 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:02,133 [Judy] So, you are actually, based upon raw numbers, 154 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:03,934 $100 apart. 155 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:08,333 I have an email from her stating that she owes $947. 156 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:09,867 I'd like to see it, please. 157 00:08:10,967 --> 00:08:12,667 [narrator] And later today... 158 00:08:12,734 --> 00:08:16,533 Do you keep a certain amount of clothes at Miss Barnes' apartment? 159 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:18,433 No, Your Honor, they're usually in my truck. 160 00:08:18,500 --> 00:08:19,767 So, you stay with your mom. 161 00:08:19,834 --> 00:08:24,333 Yeah. That's my primary residence. Like it's maybe two days out of a week. 162 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:28,567 Mr. White, this is what we're getting. You see where we're starting to smile now? 163 00:08:33,333 --> 00:08:35,166 {\an8}[theme music playing] 164 00:08:39,867 --> 00:08:43,633 {\an8}[narrator] Jennifer Renner claims her client, Dani Velasquez, 165 00:08:43,700 --> 00:08:46,033 {\an8}owes for dance class fees. 166 00:08:46,100 --> 00:08:52,033 Okay. So, in this email, you acknowledge owing $586. 167 00:08:52,100 --> 00:08:57,300 And then, $360 for team. What is team? 168 00:08:57,367 --> 00:09:00,467 They did like competition teams that I allowed my daughter to be on. 169 00:09:00,533 --> 00:09:04,066 Before I let her audition, I made sure that Jenny was okay with my payments. 170 00:09:04,133 --> 00:09:05,400 And I sent it all in. 171 00:09:05,467 --> 00:09:08,600 No, I'm just reading the email which seems to acknowledge 172 00:09:08,667 --> 00:09:12,200 that you owed her $947. 173 00:09:12,266 --> 00:09:16,567 Yeah. So, the team portion was $361, which is what I thought was owed... 174 00:09:16,633 --> 00:09:21,967 No, you said team and your regular tuition said that I owed $1,301 175 00:09:22,033 --> 00:09:24,700 - when I only owed $586. - Mm-hmm. 176 00:09:24,767 --> 00:09:27,867 So, $586 and $361 are $947. 177 00:09:27,934 --> 00:09:30,834 [Dani] You're correct. I just couldn't get any accurate numbers. 178 00:09:30,900 --> 00:09:32,800 I'm taking your numbers that you acknowledged. 179 00:09:32,867 --> 00:09:37,000 Right. First she said it was $1,647 I owed, but then she said $1,400... 180 00:09:37,066 --> 00:09:41,433 Right now I have... She says amount owed, $946. You said it was $947. 181 00:09:41,500 --> 00:09:46,367 So, let's say it's $947. And that's without late fees and without interest. 182 00:09:46,433 --> 00:09:48,767 So, you would consider that a fair number? 183 00:09:48,834 --> 00:09:49,734 Yeah. 184 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,066 And Miss Renner, you would consider that a fair number? 185 00:09:52,133 --> 00:09:53,600 - Yes. - Judgment for the Plaintiff. 186 00:09:53,667 --> 00:09:55,100 We're finished. Thank you very much. 187 00:09:55,166 --> 00:09:57,100 [bailiff] This court is adjourned. 188 00:09:59,367 --> 00:10:02,333 I think it was fair. I just wish that my daughter would have been able to dance. 189 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,133 Money was due to me and she was not paying. 190 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,367 I had to go in and be the one that broke her heart. 191 00:10:07,433 --> 00:10:09,767 She argued with every statement we sent her. 192 00:10:09,834 --> 00:10:11,734 We've already found a new studio and it's amazing. 193 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:12,667 Pay your bills. 194 00:10:12,734 --> 00:10:16,300 It's a big blessing in disguise that my daughter's not with Jenny anymore. 195 00:10:17,767 --> 00:10:20,200 I'm sure you were a great dancer back in your day. 196 00:10:20,266 --> 00:10:21,967 Maybe ballet now, isn't for you 197 00:10:22,033 --> 00:10:24,133 but I'm sure you were the cutest one in the class. 198 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,900 But I do think it was unconscionable for the owner of the dance studio 199 00:10:27,967 --> 00:10:31,533 to agree that the mother only owed around $900, 200 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,000 and she wanted to have this court pay her 201 00:10:34,066 --> 00:10:38,300 almost $9,000 in late fees and interest. 202 00:10:38,367 --> 00:10:40,600 I mean, just, I think, just unconscionable. 203 00:10:40,667 --> 00:10:43,834 It was a good shot. You know, usually when you do a contract, 204 00:10:43,900 --> 00:10:48,166 a formal contract, contracts usually say if any part of this contract 205 00:10:48,233 --> 00:10:52,133 is found to be either unconscionable or illegal, 206 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,467 the remainder of the contract remains in full force and effect. 207 00:10:55,533 --> 00:10:57,300 Usually you have something that says that. 208 00:10:57,367 --> 00:11:00,400 Well, this was just an acceptance of the school policy, 209 00:11:00,467 --> 00:11:02,467 but the school policy clearly was flexible. 210 00:11:02,533 --> 00:11:06,834 It was, and as soon as she said that, I was hoping that she would've drawn up 211 00:11:06,900 --> 00:11:10,200 for those five or six parents that were on a different payment plan, 212 00:11:10,266 --> 00:11:11,133 A different... 213 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:14,567 I would've hoped that she, as a business owner, would've drawn up something 214 00:11:14,633 --> 00:11:18,767 mimicking a contract with them to show what their agreement was. 215 00:11:18,834 --> 00:11:20,200 Memorialize that agreement. 216 00:11:20,266 --> 00:11:23,000 Because as you said, if you're flexible on this point and that point, 217 00:11:23,066 --> 00:11:24,734 why are you not flexible on the interest? 218 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,100 On the interest part, which sounded unconscionable. 219 00:11:27,166 --> 00:11:28,100 It did. 220 00:11:28,166 --> 00:11:33,000 Anyway, I really, Sarah, remember those dance classes and crossing Parkside Avenue 221 00:11:33,066 --> 00:11:37,166 to go to Miss Nottage's studio. The thing I remember most about it, 222 00:11:37,233 --> 00:11:41,500 was the acrobatics class. I swear, they had something strung up 223 00:11:41,567 --> 00:11:45,066 that looked like a torture chamber. It was strung up from the ceiling 224 00:11:45,133 --> 00:11:48,100 and you were put in a harness. You started from one end of the room 225 00:11:48,166 --> 00:11:51,500 and when you got to the minute, she pulled you up on a pulley 226 00:11:51,567 --> 00:11:54,834 and you were supposed to do a somersault. [laughing] 227 00:11:54,900 --> 00:11:57,834 And I remember, I couldn't get off the ground. 228 00:11:57,900 --> 00:12:01,834 - My little chubby legs were... - Were flailing? 229 00:12:01,900 --> 00:12:05,633 And I couldn't get my behind over the rest of my body. 230 00:12:05,700 --> 00:12:08,033 Listen, I'm not a dancer either, so. [laughs] 231 00:12:08,100 --> 00:12:11,500 Then I started thinking about law school. I was... 232 00:12:11,567 --> 00:12:13,967 - Think that's a good career path. - [Judy] Right. 233 00:12:14,033 --> 00:12:17,934 Case #2088, Jenkins versus Barnes. All parties, please, step forward. 234 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,700 {\an8}[narrator] Fanshyia Jenkins is suing her former roommate, 235 00:12:21,767 --> 00:12:25,834 {\an8}Victoria Barnes, for rent and a security deposit. 236 00:12:25,900 --> 00:12:29,867 Miss Jenkins, you were a short-term roommate of the Defendant's. 237 00:12:29,934 --> 00:12:30,800 Yes, ma'am. 238 00:12:30,867 --> 00:12:32,934 She put an ad on the Internet. 239 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,500 {\an8}Yes, it was in a Facebook group. Um, I was referred by my college. 240 00:12:36,567 --> 00:12:40,100 {\an8}It was for sub-leasing, rentals, apartments, of that sort. 241 00:12:40,166 --> 00:12:41,166 - [Judy] A room? - Yes. 242 00:12:41,233 --> 00:12:43,533 - Do you have a copy of the ad? - I actually do. 243 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,333 [Judy] I would love to take a look at it. 244 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:46,467 No problem. 245 00:12:48,266 --> 00:12:49,633 What college do you go to ? 246 00:12:49,700 --> 00:12:51,367 University of Alabama at Birmingham. 247 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,400 Miss Barnes, you were pretty specific in this. 248 00:12:59,467 --> 00:13:03,734 This is average, about $800 a month. Utilities included, unfurnished. 249 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:08,200 Looking for a female roommate. Sublease, personal bedroom and bathroom. 250 00:13:08,266 --> 00:13:11,834 Pool, tennis, laundry site. Must be willing to complete a background check. 251 00:13:11,900 --> 00:13:12,834 Yes, ma'am. 252 00:13:12,900 --> 00:13:15,533 And did you go to look at the room? 253 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:16,834 Yes, ma'am. 254 00:13:16,900 --> 00:13:17,900 On what date? 255 00:13:17,967 --> 00:13:20,166 It was the same day that I signed the sub-lease, 256 00:13:20,233 --> 00:13:22,300 which was... I'm so sorry. 257 00:13:22,367 --> 00:13:23,500 It was February the 10th. 258 00:13:23,567 --> 00:13:26,066 No, I moved in on February the 10th, that is incorrect. 259 00:13:26,133 --> 00:13:31,266 We signed our sub-lease on, I believe it was actually maybe January 22nd. 260 00:13:31,333 --> 00:13:32,867 Does it have a date on it? 261 00:13:32,934 --> 00:13:35,900 This only has the date for when I would be moving in and move out. 262 00:13:35,967 --> 00:13:37,300 [Judy] May I please see it? 263 00:13:37,367 --> 00:13:38,500 The date is on the signature page. 264 00:13:38,567 --> 00:13:40,367 Okay. It's on the last page of that packet. 265 00:13:40,433 --> 00:13:42,133 You don't have to help her prove her case. 266 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:43,667 I want to make sure she got it right. 267 00:13:43,734 --> 00:13:45,734 You don't have to help her prove her case. 268 00:13:49,900 --> 00:13:54,333 Well, who crossed this out? It says "Sublessee is one of... 269 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,533 First it said one, and that's crossed out, and then it said two 270 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,266 total tenants occupying the premises. 271 00:14:00,333 --> 00:14:02,800 {\an8}I did cross that out because it is two of us, 272 00:14:02,867 --> 00:14:06,333 {\an8}and I accidentally wrote one. One of one, but it's two of us, total. 273 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,567 And that was crossed out on the date that I signed it. 274 00:14:08,633 --> 00:14:09,800 Is that correct? 275 00:14:09,867 --> 00:14:11,700 Yes, there's quite a few things on there. 276 00:14:11,767 --> 00:14:15,867 So, it was agreed that there would only be the two of you occupying the premises. 277 00:14:15,934 --> 00:14:17,600 - Not completely true. - [Judy] Ssh. 278 00:14:17,667 --> 00:14:20,433 [Judy] That's what it says, that there would be two people. 279 00:14:20,500 --> 00:14:21,367 Yes, ma'am. 280 00:14:21,433 --> 00:14:23,400 {\an8}[Judy] Occupying the premises. Am I correct? 281 00:14:23,467 --> 00:14:25,667 {\an8}In the initial agreement, I made it clear that... 282 00:14:25,734 --> 00:14:28,967 {\an8}No-no. No "clear." This says, the sublessee's interest 283 00:14:29,033 --> 00:14:34,834 in the sublessee is one of two total tenants occupying the premises. 284 00:14:34,900 --> 00:14:38,500 That's what the lease says. Which means, there are only two people, 285 00:14:38,567 --> 00:14:41,133 according to this sublease, which is signed, 286 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,000 who will be occupying the premises. That's all it says. 287 00:14:44,066 --> 00:14:47,867 I haven't finished the next page yet. But that's what the lease says. 288 00:14:47,934 --> 00:14:51,800 Not what you made clear, not what you might've said outside of this. 289 00:14:51,867 --> 00:14:53,767 This is what's binding. 290 00:14:53,834 --> 00:14:54,767 Okay. 291 00:14:55,867 --> 00:14:59,266 And this indicates that the sublessee, that's you. 292 00:14:59,333 --> 00:15:02,266 {\an8}- [Fanshyia] Yes, ma'am. - Does not need to obtain 293 00:15:02,333 --> 00:15:05,033 {\an8}- her permission, overnight guests. - Not at all. 294 00:15:05,100 --> 00:15:08,600 {\an8}Which would make sense that she doesn't need your permission 295 00:15:08,667 --> 00:15:10,033 to have overnight guests. 296 00:15:10,100 --> 00:15:11,100 Yes, ma'am. 297 00:15:11,166 --> 00:15:14,233 This is what your case is about, now I've read this agreement. 298 00:15:14,300 --> 00:15:16,033 You moved in February 10th? 299 00:15:16,100 --> 00:15:16,967 Yes, ma'am. 300 00:15:17,033 --> 00:15:19,834 And started to have difficulty because Miss Barnes has a boyfriend. 301 00:15:19,900 --> 00:15:21,500 - That would be you. - Yes, ma'am. 302 00:15:21,567 --> 00:15:22,934 [Judy] And he was there a lot. 303 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:24,333 No, that was not a problem. 304 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,533 [Judy] Well, according to you, it was a problem when he had his own key. 305 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:28,467 [Fanshyia] Yes. 306 00:15:28,533 --> 00:15:31,100 And he came, according to you, unannounced. 307 00:15:31,166 --> 00:15:32,767 Yes, ma'am. Alone. 308 00:15:32,834 --> 00:15:36,533 {\an8}[Judy] Well, it doesn't say that he has to be announced. 309 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:40,800 {\an8}I can understand it if he was occupying the residence 310 00:15:40,867 --> 00:15:42,700 with his own key and there all the time. 311 00:15:42,767 --> 00:15:45,967 That certainly would be in violation of the lease. 312 00:15:46,033 --> 00:15:47,767 Would you stand up for a second? 313 00:15:47,834 --> 00:15:49,567 Tell me your name, sir. 314 00:15:51,500 --> 00:15:52,600 It's Shawn White. 315 00:15:52,667 --> 00:15:55,633 Are you and the Defendant currently living together now? 316 00:15:55,700 --> 00:15:56,600 No. 317 00:15:56,667 --> 00:15:58,433 - Have you ever lived together? - No. 318 00:15:58,500 --> 00:16:02,100 Can you tell me why it would be that you would have a key to her premises? 319 00:16:02,166 --> 00:16:05,133 Well, she is my fiancée. We've been together almost... 320 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:06,900 - [Judy] Because she's your fiancée. - Yeah. 321 00:16:06,967 --> 00:16:08,667 When did she become your fiancée? 322 00:16:08,734 --> 00:16:09,734 Around a year ago. 323 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,066 And is there any reason why you're not living together? 324 00:16:12,133 --> 00:16:15,367 - Yes. In recent... - Just... Yes. You're gonna tell me. 325 00:16:15,433 --> 00:16:19,500 Yes, ma'am, I'll tell you. In recent events, I just lost my father, 326 00:16:19,567 --> 00:16:21,467 {\an8}and I'm trying to launch my trucking company 327 00:16:21,533 --> 00:16:23,500 {\an8}and get it off the ground, so it's just... 328 00:16:23,567 --> 00:16:25,266 {\an8}wouldn't be the best thing right now. 329 00:16:25,333 --> 00:16:28,800 How far is your residence from your fiancée's? 330 00:16:28,867 --> 00:16:30,166 About an hour and a half. 331 00:16:30,233 --> 00:16:32,467 [Judy] And her residence from your business? 332 00:16:32,533 --> 00:16:35,967 I'm a truck driver, so I'm always mobile. And where I load it, 333 00:16:36,033 --> 00:16:37,333 she's usually close to it. 334 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:38,934 And that's when you stay at the house? 335 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:39,934 Yeah. 336 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,367 [Judy] And how many times a week do you load your truck? 337 00:16:42,433 --> 00:16:44,066 [Shawn] Close to her, maybe two or three times. 338 00:16:44,133 --> 00:16:45,567 - [Judy] Two or three times a week? - Yeah. 339 00:16:45,633 --> 00:16:49,533 So that means you're spending either two or three nights a week at her house. 340 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:50,633 Yes. 341 00:16:50,700 --> 00:16:53,567 Yes. And that's been going on for how long, sir? 342 00:16:53,633 --> 00:16:54,967 Just this year. 343 00:16:55,033 --> 00:17:00,900 So far, we're doing fine. You see, I don't yell unless someone provokes me. 344 00:17:00,967 --> 00:17:01,967 Heard. 345 00:17:03,333 --> 00:17:08,200 He seems like a very nice man, nothing that frightens me. Right? 346 00:17:08,266 --> 00:17:13,400 And he visits his mother on Sunday. The guy is a hero. Perfect for you. 347 00:17:13,467 --> 00:17:14,533 Thank you. 348 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:16,367 I don't know what you want from her. 349 00:17:29,166 --> 00:17:32,500 {\an8}[narrator] Fanshyia Jenkins claims her former roommate, 350 00:17:32,567 --> 00:17:37,033 {\an8}Victoria Barnes, owes for rent and a security deposit. 351 00:17:37,100 --> 00:17:42,000 Mr. White, do you keep a certain amount of clothes at Miss Barnes' apartment? 352 00:17:42,066 --> 00:17:43,834 No, Your Honor, they're usually in my truck. 353 00:17:43,900 --> 00:17:46,300 When you're going to stay over, do you bring up a bag 354 00:17:46,367 --> 00:17:48,800 or do you bring up a backpack? What do you bring up with you? 355 00:17:48,867 --> 00:17:50,166 A bag and a backpack. 356 00:17:50,233 --> 00:17:52,133 Do you have toiletries in her bathroom? 357 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:53,066 No, ma'am. 358 00:17:53,133 --> 00:17:54,433 - [Judy] You carry that with you. - Yes. 359 00:17:54,500 --> 00:17:57,834 Now, when you're on the road, if you stay over two or three days a week, 360 00:17:57,900 --> 00:18:00,767 at Miss Barnes' house and you're on the road, 361 00:18:00,834 --> 00:18:04,233 how many days a week are you on the road and sleeping either in your truck 362 00:18:04,300 --> 00:18:06,100 or at a motel or at a truck stop? 363 00:18:06,166 --> 00:18:08,266 Between two and three days. It's all dependent on where I go. 364 00:18:08,333 --> 00:18:13,166 So, that brings us to maybe five days a week or six days a week. 365 00:18:13,233 --> 00:18:14,600 And where is your home? 366 00:18:14,667 --> 00:18:16,266 [indistinct] 367 00:18:16,333 --> 00:18:18,000 [Judy] Is that where your father lives? 368 00:18:18,066 --> 00:18:19,400 I'm sorry, but he's passed. He's... 369 00:18:19,467 --> 00:18:20,667 - [Judy] Oh, he passed. - Yes. 370 00:18:20,734 --> 00:18:22,734 [Judy] So the house that you're staying in 371 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:24,333 - is his house. - Yeah. 372 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,200 - [Judy] Anybody else live there? - My mother. 373 00:18:26,266 --> 00:18:28,800 [Judy] So, that one day a week you stay with your mom. 374 00:18:28,867 --> 00:18:32,500 It's usually probably on Sunday, when I don't have anything to do. 375 00:18:32,567 --> 00:18:34,433 [Judy] Do you stay at your mother's house? 376 00:18:34,500 --> 00:18:39,133 Yes, that's my primary residence. It's maybe two days out of a week. 377 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:43,433 Mr. White, this is what we're getting. You see where we're starting to smile now? 378 00:18:43,500 --> 00:18:48,633 If you see your mother on Sundays and you're on the road half the week, 379 00:18:48,700 --> 00:18:51,734 and you're at the Defendant's house half a week, 380 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:55,600 you can tell me from today until the cows come home 381 00:18:55,667 --> 00:18:58,834 {\an8}that your mother's house is your primary residence, 382 00:18:58,900 --> 00:19:02,133 but if you look at it objectively... Put your hand down. 383 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:06,233 If you look at it objectively, you're on the road part time... 384 00:19:06,300 --> 00:19:10,633 When you're not on the road, three times as many days a week, 385 00:19:10,700 --> 00:19:14,500 you stay at her house. One day, you stay at your mother's house. 386 00:19:14,567 --> 00:19:18,133 And you tell me that's been going on since the beginning of the year, 387 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:23,133 which would be January or so of 2022. That's what you just told me. 388 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:24,800 And that actually makes sense. 389 00:19:24,867 --> 00:19:29,100 I beg to differ, like, the time that I stay there, it might be eight hours, 390 00:19:29,166 --> 00:19:31,033 and then, I'm back on the road. 391 00:19:31,100 --> 00:19:32,300 [whispers] I don't care. 392 00:19:32,367 --> 00:19:35,200 And it's like maybe two days out of a week, it's... 393 00:19:35,266 --> 00:19:36,900 [Judy] Now you can sit down, Mr. White. 394 00:19:38,333 --> 00:19:41,800 Okay. I get the scenario. Not unusual you were unhappy 395 00:19:41,867 --> 00:19:46,100 with this more frequent access than you were advised of. 396 00:19:46,166 --> 00:19:49,667 May I add... I was not unhappy with how much he was there. 397 00:19:49,734 --> 00:19:55,333 It was only the fact that he had came in by himself and she hadn't let me know. 398 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,467 {\an8}I only had told her that that made me uncomfortable, 399 00:19:57,533 --> 00:19:59,133 {\an8}and I got kicked out for it. 400 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:00,533 That's not true, Your Honor. 401 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:04,000 Well, when you say "got kicked out," I think you acknowledge 402 00:20:04,066 --> 00:20:06,266 that you gave her a 30 day notice to leave. 403 00:20:06,333 --> 00:20:07,400 Yes, ma'am, I did. 404 00:20:07,467 --> 00:20:11,700 [Judy] And other than this issue of house guests, 405 00:20:11,767 --> 00:20:14,200 were there any other issues that you had with her? 406 00:20:14,266 --> 00:20:16,900 When the situation happened, she texted me and asked me where I was. 407 00:20:16,967 --> 00:20:19,333 I told her when I got home we can have a conversation. 408 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:20,967 And that's when an argument ensued, 409 00:20:21,033 --> 00:20:22,967 and multiple arguments happened after that. 410 00:20:23,033 --> 00:20:25,834 Were they all about house guests? 411 00:20:25,900 --> 00:20:26,967 Just about, yes, ma'am. 412 00:20:27,033 --> 00:20:30,066 [Judy] And at the beginning, they were all about Mr. White. 413 00:20:30,133 --> 00:20:31,166 [Victoria] Right. 414 00:20:31,233 --> 00:20:35,600 [Judy] Okay. And your sublease agreement actually specifically says 415 00:20:35,667 --> 00:20:38,066 - that only two people are living there. - Yes, ma'am. 416 00:20:38,133 --> 00:20:40,500 And Mr. White has already made it crystal clear to me 417 00:20:40,567 --> 00:20:44,200 that he spends his time either on the road or at your house, 418 00:20:44,266 --> 00:20:48,967 visiting his mom on Sunday. And that sort of makes this fuzzy. 419 00:20:49,033 --> 00:20:53,567 Okay. Anyway, it didn't work out. He seems like a very nice man. 420 00:20:53,633 --> 00:20:56,867 - Nothing that frightens me. Right? - [Victoria] Thank you. 421 00:20:56,934 --> 00:21:02,467 And he visits his mother on Sunday. The guy is a hero. Perfect for you. 422 00:21:02,533 --> 00:21:03,734 Thank you. 423 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,600 [Judy] So, you moved out, got another apartment, whatever it is. 424 00:21:06,667 --> 00:21:08,100 I don't know what you want from her. 425 00:21:08,166 --> 00:21:10,800 I want the money that I gave her, um... 426 00:21:10,867 --> 00:21:12,000 What money? 427 00:21:12,066 --> 00:21:13,900 So, she made me pay her a security deposit... 428 00:21:13,967 --> 00:21:15,367 - [Judy] No, just a second. - Yes, ma'am. 429 00:21:15,433 --> 00:21:17,266 - [Judy] Security deposit. Fine. - Yes. 430 00:21:17,333 --> 00:21:19,300 [Judy] Did you get your security deposit back? 431 00:21:19,367 --> 00:21:20,767 - No, ma'am. - Absolutely not. 432 00:21:20,834 --> 00:21:22,066 [Judy] How much was your security deposit? 433 00:21:22,133 --> 00:21:23,567 Three hundred and fifty dollars. 434 00:21:23,633 --> 00:21:25,800 Did you return her security deposit? 435 00:21:25,867 --> 00:21:26,800 No, ma'am. 436 00:21:26,867 --> 00:21:29,200 [Judy] You have to return her security deposit. 437 00:21:29,266 --> 00:21:32,100 Being that she left the room damaged, I didn't feel like I needed to. 438 00:21:32,166 --> 00:21:34,133 [Judy] You have photographs of the damage? 439 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:35,834 [Victoria] I have stained carpets... 440 00:21:35,900 --> 00:21:39,533 Just a second. Do you have photographs of the damage? 441 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:40,467 No, ma'am. 442 00:21:40,533 --> 00:21:43,867 Good. $350, she gets her security deposit back. 443 00:21:43,934 --> 00:21:44,967 What's next? 444 00:21:45,033 --> 00:21:48,500 The remainder of the rent for the month that I moved out. Which I moved out... 445 00:21:48,567 --> 00:21:49,867 - [Judy] Just a second. - Yes. 446 00:21:49,934 --> 00:21:51,967 [Judy] Did you pay her March's rent? 447 00:21:52,033 --> 00:21:54,000 - [Shanyia] Yes, ma'am. - [Judy] You did? 448 00:21:54,066 --> 00:21:56,266 - You paid at the beginning of the month? - Yes, ma'am. 449 00:21:56,333 --> 00:21:58,000 Okay. And how much did you pay her? 450 00:21:58,066 --> 00:21:59,834 - $630. - [Victoria] Incorrect. 451 00:21:59,900 --> 00:22:01,900 Clearly paid you February's rent. 452 00:22:01,967 --> 00:22:03,700 - When she moved in. - Yes, ma'am. 453 00:22:03,767 --> 00:22:05,533 Did she pay you March's rent? 454 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,700 So, she gave me... 455 00:22:07,767 --> 00:22:10,600 That's either a yes or a no if she paid you March's rent. 456 00:22:10,667 --> 00:22:13,266 Did you get two months rent from the Plaintiff? 457 00:22:13,333 --> 00:22:14,367 Yes, I did. 458 00:22:14,433 --> 00:22:15,567 [Judy] And she moved out... 459 00:22:15,633 --> 00:22:18,767 Can I explain why I don't feel like I'm entitled to give her the money back. 460 00:22:18,834 --> 00:22:21,834 Because the apartment complex, when we got into the initial argument 461 00:22:21,900 --> 00:22:23,533 and I was made aware of the slander 462 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,467 and the allegations she was perjuring against Shawn and myself. 463 00:22:26,533 --> 00:22:29,400 I was told that being as though I made it legal on paper 464 00:22:29,467 --> 00:22:32,367 that she has 30 days to the resident, that she would still access 465 00:22:32,433 --> 00:22:35,133 through my apartment for the remainder of the month of March 466 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,166 until the 17th of April. And also, Shawn has seen her 467 00:22:38,233 --> 00:22:40,700 sending people to my house, her coming in and out of my house 468 00:22:40,767 --> 00:22:43,433 when I was at work, supposedly gathering her things, 469 00:22:43,500 --> 00:22:45,900 but my personal belongings came up missing. And she had access... 470 00:22:45,967 --> 00:22:49,300 [Judy] Hold on one second. After March 17th 471 00:22:49,367 --> 00:22:53,100 did you have any property in the apartment? 472 00:22:53,166 --> 00:22:56,433 Just be very careful what you say to me. After March 17th, 473 00:22:56,500 --> 00:23:01,967 you say you physically left the apartment. Did you have any property there? 474 00:23:02,033 --> 00:23:03,266 That's either a yes or a no. 475 00:23:03,333 --> 00:23:04,967 May I confirm the date? So I don't give... 476 00:23:05,033 --> 00:23:06,467 - [Judy] Yes. - [Fanshyia] Thank you. 477 00:23:06,533 --> 00:23:09,433 So, the very last day that I was there was... 478 00:23:09,500 --> 00:23:12,367 - [Victoria] March 22nd. - [Judy] Ssh! 479 00:23:12,433 --> 00:23:14,967 You keep doing that. - [Victoria] I'm agitated, I'm sorry. 480 00:23:15,033 --> 00:23:16,000 I'm sorry. 481 00:23:16,066 --> 00:23:21,567 Okay. So, the very last day that I was there was on... I believe March 20th. 482 00:23:21,633 --> 00:23:24,233 Oh, then you owe her for the month of March. [laughs] 483 00:23:24,300 --> 00:23:29,133 Then you get your security deposit back, $350. We're finished. Thank you very much. 484 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:30,533 That's all... ? 485 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,600 That's what she gets, her security deposit back. That's it. 486 00:23:33,667 --> 00:23:37,166 She gets her security back. Doesn't get rent, doesn't get moving costs. 487 00:23:37,233 --> 00:23:41,700 Doesn't get damages. She gets her security deposit back. 488 00:23:41,767 --> 00:23:44,500 Goodbye. Have a happy life. Have a nice lunch. 489 00:23:44,567 --> 00:23:46,200 [bailiff] This court is adjourned. 490 00:23:47,133 --> 00:23:49,467 {\an8}I really just thought that everything was fairly normal 491 00:23:49,533 --> 00:23:50,967 {\an8}until the conversation about me... 492 00:23:51,033 --> 00:23:54,667 {\an8}A security deposit is the least of my concerns because I don't owe her her rent. 493 00:23:54,734 --> 00:23:56,200 {\an8}expressing my discomfort with her boyfriend 494 00:23:56,266 --> 00:23:57,400 {\an8}being in the house alone with me. 495 00:23:57,467 --> 00:24:00,166 For her to even mention him harming her in any type of way 496 00:24:00,233 --> 00:24:02,166 is not only offensive but is disrespectful. 497 00:24:02,233 --> 00:24:05,033 It wasn't like he was my personal friend or I met him anywhere else. 498 00:24:05,100 --> 00:24:07,934 I met him through her. I just didn't want to be home alone with him. 499 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:12,767 Honestly, it's outrageous. To implicate that I'd do anything to her, is beyond me. 500 00:24:12,834 --> 00:24:15,433 My safety does come first. I put me first, I gotta put me first. 501 00:24:15,500 --> 00:24:17,967 I wish her nothing but the best, away from me. 502 00:24:19,300 --> 00:24:22,433 I thought that the fiancé was absolutely charming. 503 00:24:22,500 --> 00:24:23,567 I did too. 504 00:24:23,633 --> 00:24:25,533 I thought he was such a nice guy. 505 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,200 Visits his mom on Sundays, has a job. 506 00:24:28,266 --> 00:24:32,700 Hardworking. Regular, stayed home while his dad was ill. 507 00:24:32,767 --> 00:24:36,567 Really a nice guy. But it was clear that, he may say my primary residence 508 00:24:36,633 --> 00:24:39,600 is with his mother, but that's a visit on Sunday. 509 00:24:39,667 --> 00:24:42,200 When he can, he stays with his fiancée in the house. 510 00:24:42,266 --> 00:24:43,133 Yeah. 511 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,934 Clearly, that was not part of the lease. But forget about that, Sarah. 512 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,266 She's a tough broad. [laughs] 513 00:24:49,333 --> 00:24:50,734 [Sarah] Little bit of an attitude. 514 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,200 She had a little bit of an attitude. So, I don't know... 515 00:24:53,266 --> 00:24:56,900 It's always the nice guys that end up with women with the attitude. 516 00:24:56,967 --> 00:24:58,533 He's gotta watch his p's and q's. 517 00:24:58,600 --> 00:24:59,467 Oh, yeah. 518 00:24:59,533 --> 00:25:03,233 I'm glad they're happy and I'm glad that they're together in their apartment. 519 00:25:03,300 --> 00:25:05,767 Which is probably the way she would prefer it anyway. 520 00:25:05,834 --> 00:25:06,900 Yeah, agreed. 521 00:25:08,500 --> 00:25:10,266 [narrator] Are you a victim of a scam? 522 00:25:10,333 --> 00:25:12,300 Go to JudyJustice.tv.