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- You moved into your sister's home?
- Yes.
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I honestly just want
to be done with her.
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No chance of a reconciliation?
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No. This is the funeral
of our relationship.
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That's even worse.
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This is Judy Justice.
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{\an8}Tiffany Nelson is suing her sister,
Brandy Mata,
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{\an8}for property damage,
harassment, and lost work.
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Court come to order.
All rise.
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Have a seat everyone, please.
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{\an8}Here you are.
Case number 2006, Nelson vs Mata.
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- Thank you.
- You're welcome.
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- Miss Nelson, this is your sister?
- Yes.
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- How old are you?
- I am 42.
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43, almost 44.
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Oh. So... are you the only two sisters?
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We have some half-sisters,
but yes.
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But you're the only two
full biological sisters?
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Now, there came a time, Miss Mata,
that you moved into your sister's home?
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Yes.
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- Is this a home that you own?
- Yes. We built it.
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In what year did you move into her home?
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That would have been 2018.
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Who else lives in the house
from your family?
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My disabled mother,
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my husband, and my child.
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So your mother lives there?
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Yes. I take care of my mom.
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Tell me why you moved into
your sister's basement, Miss Mata.
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{\an8}In 2015, my oldest son was in a tornado
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{\an8}and suffered a severe brain injury.
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So, when my sister Tiffany and her husband
were looking for new houses,
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they offered to build
an apartment in their basement
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so that we could live with them
and get out of our mobile home.
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So, when they built this house,
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it was built with the intention of us
living in the basement.
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Is that correct?
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Yes. But for a year, because
I do take of my disabled mother,
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and the intention was for her
to be in the basement eventually
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{\an8}so that she doesn't
have to use the stairs.
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{\an8}Was the original agreement
with your sister
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{\an8}that it would not be a permanent move,
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but one that would last for about a year?
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It was agreed that
it was not a permanent.
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There was not a date set, though.
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But it was agreed it was not a permanent.
You did not have a written lease?
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- Yes, we did.
- We do have a lease.
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You did? I'd like to see it.
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We had a month-to-month lease
that I have as well.
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This is the current lease,
that subsides the other lease.
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Okay, initially a month-to-month lease.
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In what month and year
did you have her sign?
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I have it right here.
It's dated July 14th, 2018.
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So this is a 6-month lease
that ended January 31st.
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- Correct.
- Your rent was $800 a month.
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Yes.
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So this last lease was for your sister,
her husband and two children?
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- Correct.
- I only ask that question
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because if my reading
of your complaint was correct,
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you say that she moved her husband in
without your consent.
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So, when we first agreed
to let her move in, in 2018,
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she was divorcing,
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and the agreement was that her
and her two sons could move into the home.
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He had nowhere to go,
and she wanted him to move in.
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- So, because I...
- In what year was that?
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That was still 2018.
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- So that was still 2018?
- Yeah, so we let...
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- All right, so you...
- ...we let him live there.
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And since then, you've signed
different leases with her
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- with him on the property.
- Correct.
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Okay. So then you acquiesced to it.
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When you were in the apartment,
did you have pets?
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I did. Uh-huh.
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- How many pets did you have?
- Four dogs.
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But then subsequently,
some had passed away,
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so at the end,
we only had two dogs.
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Okay. Well, at the signing of this lease,
you had six pets,
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consisting of cats, dogs,
and no other pets being allowed.
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- {\an8}-
- Correct.
- And you agreed,
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{\an8}regardless of ownership of the pets,
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{\an8}agreed to restore the property
to its original condition
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at your expense when you leave.
Okay, good.
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Because that's also
part of what this is about.
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Actually, most of what this is about.
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Your Honor, they had
three pets upon moveout.
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They had just gotten a puppy,
so they did have three pets
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and two cats upon moveout.
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Doesn't matter. Anybody
who has six pets after three years,
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the carpet needs to be replaced.
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- Yes, ma'am.
- Okay. Now...
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Your sister began to move out when,
in what month?
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She moved out
on the 1st of February, 2022.
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- Pursuant to your agreement?
- Correct.
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And it is your claim
that she left the premises
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in a condition
that required you to spend
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close to $10,000
to put it back into shape.
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$6,500.
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- Okay.
- For the basement damages.
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I'd like to see the photographs
of what it looked like,
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because we know it was
brand new when you moved in
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because the house was just built.
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So we know that it's new.
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I also have photographs
that I took the day we moved out.
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Okay.
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I'm going to give you these,
and then I'm going to look at yours.
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Okay.
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Okay, so there's no question
you have to replace the carpeting.
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- Right.
- You understand that?
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- {\an8}-
- Yes.
- Did you replace the carpeting?
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- {\an8}-
- No, I had not had any contact from her.
- Shh, just a sec.
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Do you have a bill for the carpeting?
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I replaced one room already,
and I have that.
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And then I have the estimate
to replace the other carpet.
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Okay. I'll take a look at that.
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And that's the main thing that I see
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in the apartment that has to be done,
from these photographs. Okay.
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Did you leave a lot of food in the
refrigerator and all kinds of stuff?
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- No. So, what happened was...
- The answer is either yes or no.
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Did you leave a whole lot of stuff
in the refrigerator?
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- No.
- Anything in the freezer?
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- No, there was no fridge or freezer.
- And cabinets?
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Do you leave anything in the cab--
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I'm just looking because there's
a picture here with a whole bunch of food.
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- Right. I hadn't finished moving out.
- My question...
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{\an8}But, yes, there was stuff there.
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{\an8}My question is, you were supposed
to be out by February 1st.
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On February 1st,
was there food in the house?
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- Yes.
- Okay. It should have been moved.
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Whether you moved out yet or not,
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you were supposed to be out
by February 1st.
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Okay. I'd like to see those.
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So you replaced the carpet
in what room?
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One of the bedrooms,
so my Mom could move down there,
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{\an8}so she could not use stairs.
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Sara, add these two figures
up for me, please.
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And I don't know
what this is a photograph of.
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So, the bags that were left in the home,
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{\an8}there was ice cream
that was left in those bags,
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{\an8}and it had leaked on my flooring,
and we moved it outside.
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And that is the rotted food from the bags.
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Okay. Do you know
how that happened?
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- I don't. I have not seen that.
- Okay.
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May see photographs, please, that
you took on the day you moved out?
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Yes.
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I have that total, Judge.
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$4,129.
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$4,121?
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29... and 21 cents.
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- Thank you.
- Mm-hmm.
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Is this after the carpet was taken out?
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Yes.
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Kevin, can I please see
the photographs that she took?
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Actually,
they're pretty much the same.
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Not terrible. A lot of it is ordinary
wear and tear, except for the carpet.
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So that's $4,129.
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The only other thing that I'm questioning
is that I saw these rocks,
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and I want somebody
to explain these rocks to me.
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So, because of the water level,
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if you go out the downstairs patio,
there's rocks there
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to prevent the yard from sliding.
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Getting wet.
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So, some of the rocks were moved.
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They're supposed to all go in a line.
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And they go down and over,
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so we have to pay a landscaper
to come out and basically re-do that.
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Well, how did that happen,
do you know?
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- They're pretty heavy rocks, so...
- I don't know. Do you know?
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Did you move the rocks?
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{\an8}No. You would need, like,
a skid loader to move those rocks.
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{\an8}There's no physical way to move those...
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- Where do you live?
- ...with one person.
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I live in far west Utah.
Farm country.
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Looks like there's water
comes down through here?
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Yes, we live across the street
from a pond, as well.
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We don't know how that happens. Now,
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you have, in addition to your claim,
which is for damage,
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you feel it's necessary
to go into these allegations
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of harassment by your sister?
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I honestly just want to be done with her
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and not get threating text messages
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and stuff on social media.
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No chance of a reconciliation?
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- You lived together for awhile.
- Not on my end.
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- I've blocked her from everything.
- For a long time?
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Yeah.
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Miss Mata, your sister was there
at a time when you needed her.
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- Yes.
- You think that there's any potential
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for the two of you to sort of restore
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some kind of working relationship?
You're the only two...
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No. This is the funeral
of our relationship.
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All right. Not my job.
That's a job for another professional.
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- Okay, you have a counterclaim.
- Yes.
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And your counterclaim-- just as
she's not going into her harassment,
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{\an8}I'm not going into anything
that involves the harassment.
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{\an8}It is your claim that you
left certain furniture behind.
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Well, why wasn't your furniture
out on the 1st?
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Your lease expired
the end of the month in January.
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It did. And I did let them know
that I was not done.
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Well, that's not a reason. That's not
a reason to break your contract.
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Only two people
can break a contract, Miss Mata.
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The two people are the same
two people that signed it.
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You signed a contract that said
you would be out on a certain date.
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You weren't out on a certain date.
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The fact that you notified her that
you're changing the terms of the contract,
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unless she agreed to it, then you should
have had your stuff out by the 31st.
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Why didn't you?
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Because she had made it very difficult
during my moving process.
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There was a lot of, like I said,
harassment and stuff that happened
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during that moving process.
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She called the police
on the people that were helping me.
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She made it very difficult to get it done.
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There was no way that I could
get it done on that day.
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Let's get back to "call the police."
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And later today...
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After Mr. Martinez got into the picture,
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he was gonna pay me
not to talk to Sherry any longer.
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So, you had a discussion with him
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that all of her bills,
he was gonna take care of?
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- Many discussions. Yes, Your Honor.
- Okay. And...?
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I never got a dime.
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Okay. Well, what is the harassment?
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{\an8}Tiffany Nelson
claims her sister, Brandy Mata,
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{\an8}owes for property damage
after living in her basement.
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Brandy is countersuing
for the return of her belongings.
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Who did you have moving you?
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I had-- my best friend
Brittany was helping me.
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Does Brittany and your sister
have any negative history?
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They do.
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Okay. Well, if they have
any negative history,
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why would have her
come into the house?
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Because she doesn't have
any access to Tiffany at that point.
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There was no reason for them to talk.
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They wouldn't be even associating.
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You know, if I knew
that there were issues
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between my landlord
and a particular person,
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especially if my landlord was my sister
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who let me move into her house,
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just from a question of using my brain,
I wouldn't bring somebody
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that had been on the "outs" with them.
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If they didn't like them,
that's one thing.
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"You know, I'm really not crazy
about your friend Brittany."
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{\an8}That's one thing.
But if you knew that there was
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{\an8}an active aggressive feeling
against the other,
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should have had
somebody else move. So...
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Why didn't you get your stuff out?
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Well, so, I didn't think that it was
aa serious as that. They are related.
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If they're related
and don't like each other,
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- or the plaintiff doesn't like her...
- Mm-hmm.
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Then... that's even worse.
Go ahead.
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Yeah, so she was my only help.
I didn't anybody to help me at that time.
251
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Then, start doing it sooner.
Go ahead.
252
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Yeah, that was the only reason.
253
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Miss Mata, where was your husband?
254
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He was working. We were working
during this whole time.
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- Well, that's okay.
- Mm-hmm.
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I've moved and worked. I used to move
every time I needed a paint job.
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I would pack up and move,
and I constantly worked.
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I've worked for 58 years.
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So, that's not a reason.
You pack in the evening.
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You go down after work, you get
newspaper from the grocery store,
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and get old cartons and you wrap up
the dishes in the cartons,
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and you manage to get out
when you're supposed to get out.
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And she's not the only one who can help
you. Maybe your husband has friends.
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If he doesn't have friends,
I don't know why not.
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In any event, it that was not
a smart thing to bring your witness.
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Furniture. What furniture
did you leave when you...
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I left a patio set
on the patio.
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- It was all outside furniture.
- Hold on.
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- Patio set.
- Mm-hmm.
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- Your Honor?
- Shh! Just a sec...
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- A lawnmower.
- Okay.
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An outside bench
that had storage and stuff.
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- Yeah.
- A fire pit and lawn chairs.
274
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Okay. And when did you
buy the lawn chairs?
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It would have been 2018.
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Okay. And how much did you
pay for each one?
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They were...
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$245 for the chaise lounges,
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and $159 for the pool dining chairs.
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Okay. Are those chairs at your home?
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- Yes.
- May I see them?
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Yes. There's four lawn chairs.
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There was never the long chair.
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Okay. Let me see what's in the home.
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- I also had a cooler.
- Just a second.
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Don't bother me about a cooler.
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- Are the lawn chairs still there?
- Yes.
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- Great. You can go get them.
- Okay.
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With a marshal. Not with her.
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- What about the fire pit?
- Still there.
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You can pick up the firepit.
What about the lawnmower?
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- Still there.
- Patio set?
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- Still there.
- They have painted that purple.
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Paint it back.
Where are you living now?
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I have a house.
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Who are you living there with?
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With my husband and my sister-in-law.
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- She's living with you?
- Mm-hmm.
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Is she paying--
"Uh-huh" is not an answer. Yes.
300
00:13:16,433 --> 00:13:17,767
- Yes.
- She's paying you rent?
301
00:13:17,834 --> 00:13:19,133
- No.
- Why not?
302
00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,533
My husband's mother,
their mother passed away,
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and she needed to be closer to family,
so she's just living with us as family.
304
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Okay. You're going to get
all the property back
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that you say you left there,
and you can do that within five days
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on notice to the plaintiff
with the marshal.
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Just give him a copy of the order
that we'll give you inside.
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Okay.
309
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With regard to the renovation
of the house,
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she has to put the house
in reasonable condition.
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Most of these other pictures
demonstrate some wear and tear
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that you would have to do--
painting and plastering after 3 1/2 years.
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But the carpeting had to be replaced.
$4,129.
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Judgement for the plaintiff.
Thank you very much. We're finished.
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This court is adjourned.
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I'm happy with her decision.
317
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I just wanted to fix my basement
and move on with my life.
318
00:14:04,166 --> 00:14:06,166
I mean, it is what it is.
There's nothing to do.
319
00:14:06,233 --> 00:14:07,800
You know, I think we were both at fault.
320
00:14:07,867 --> 00:14:09,200
Go back home, fix my house,
321
00:14:09,266 --> 00:14:11,266
and honestly have nothing
to do with her again.
322
00:14:11,333 --> 00:14:13,934
If she had come and talked to me
like a normal person,
323
00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:15,734
we could have figured this out
without this.
324
00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:17,066
Now, I'm completely done.
325
00:14:17,133 --> 00:14:21,400
I would like to not be inappropriate,
but, uh, she's just not a good person.
326
00:14:23,066 --> 00:14:25,734
You know, I think that the two sisters
had the best of intentions.
327
00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:26,800
Didn't you get that feeling?
328
00:14:26,867 --> 00:14:29,433
I did. From moving in
and knowing you have
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a designated place at a time of need,
330
00:14:31,867 --> 00:14:34,200
that she was going to design
the basement for you to live in,
331
00:14:34,266 --> 00:14:35,900
although not permanently.
332
00:14:36,667 --> 00:14:38,867
I thought it was going to go
in a good direction.
333
00:14:38,934 --> 00:14:41,800
And I'm sure that the plaintiff's mother,
334
00:14:41,867 --> 00:14:44,600
who lives with her, is sad
335
00:14:44,667 --> 00:14:47,467
that she doesn't get to see
her other daughter
336
00:14:47,533 --> 00:14:49,533
as frequently as she would like
337
00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:51,533
because they lived together
in the same home,
338
00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:52,867
evidently for a very long time.
339
00:14:52,934 --> 00:14:53,934
- Yeah.
- Very bad.
340
00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,500
There's always collateral damage
when people don't get along.
341
00:14:56,567 --> 00:14:57,567
True.
342
00:14:58,133 --> 00:15:01,600
Case #2039,
Mohrmann vs Strauss.
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All parties, please step forward.
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{\an8}Derick Mohrmann
is suing his former friend
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{\an8}Sherry Strauss
for car repairs and harassment.
346
00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:13,800
Mr. Mohrmann,
the defendant was a friend of yours.
347
00:15:13,867 --> 00:15:14,867
Yes, ma'am.
348
00:15:14,934 --> 00:15:18,600
A casual friend?
A romantic friend?
349
00:15:18,667 --> 00:15:22,400
Uh, maybe both. You know,
a casual romantic friend.
350
00:15:22,467 --> 00:15:23,934
How long do you know her?
351
00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:25,667
Fourteen years, at least.
352
00:15:25,734 --> 00:15:27,567
Probably closer to 15, yeah.
353
00:15:27,633 --> 00:15:29,467
Were you ever together as a couple?
354
00:15:29,533 --> 00:15:30,567
No, ma'am.
355
00:15:30,633 --> 00:15:34,166
And it is your claim that
because she was in financial trouble,
356
00:15:34,233 --> 00:15:36,900
you extended a loan to her to fix her car.
357
00:15:36,967 --> 00:15:39,300
- {\an8}-
- Yes, ma'am.
- That's what this case is about.
358
00:15:39,367 --> 00:15:40,867
You also say she harassed you,
359
00:15:40,934 --> 00:15:44,667
but most of this case
is about the loans to fix her car.
360
00:15:44,734 --> 00:15:48,633
Miss Strauss says that you did
in fact work on her car,
361
00:15:48,700 --> 00:15:52,567
but you caused more damage to it
than it originally had,
362
00:15:52,633 --> 00:15:56,500
{\an8}and she is counterclaiming
for car repairs
363
00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,767
{\an8}that she has to make because of
work that you did on the car.
364
00:16:00,367 --> 00:16:02,834
- Who is this person?
- My fiancée.
365
00:16:02,900 --> 00:16:05,033
- Okay. He's not a mechanic?
- No.
366
00:16:05,100 --> 00:16:06,233
And who is the woman?
367
00:16:06,300 --> 00:16:09,767
She is the property manager
of the motel that I'm living in.
368
00:16:09,834 --> 00:16:13,800
So, you don't have a mechanic
to testify today to anything.
369
00:16:13,967 --> 00:16:15,567
No, I do have...
370
00:16:15,633 --> 00:16:17,600
- The answer is no.
- No.
371
00:16:17,667 --> 00:16:20,367
- But I do have an estimate.
- I don't care about an estimate.
372
00:16:20,433 --> 00:16:23,700
Okay. So I would like you
to tell me, Miss Strauss,
373
00:16:24,166 --> 00:16:26,834
when did you start to have
trouble with your car?
374
00:16:26,900 --> 00:16:28,900
March 2nd of 2022.
375
00:16:28,967 --> 00:16:30,367
And where were you living at the time?
376
00:16:30,433 --> 00:16:32,300
I had just moved into the motel.
377
00:16:32,367 --> 00:16:34,934
Had you been spending
any time with Mr. Mohrmann?
378
00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:36,200
Previous to that, no.
379
00:16:36,367 --> 00:16:38,433
Previous to March of 2022.
380
00:16:38,633 --> 00:16:39,667
- {\an8}-
- That's correct.
- Okay.
381
00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:43,633
{\an8}After March of 2022, did you spend
any time with Mr. Mohrmann?
382
00:16:43,700 --> 00:16:45,700
- I did, yes.
- Did you stay at his home?
383
00:16:45,767 --> 00:16:47,233
I went there occasionally, yes.
384
00:16:47,300 --> 00:16:49,800
No. What I'm asking is,
did you stay over at his home?
385
00:16:49,867 --> 00:16:50,934
- Yes.
- Okay.
386
00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,533
And when you started to have
trouble with the car in March,
387
00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,734
when you hadn't been staying
at Mr. Mohrmann's house,
388
00:16:57,133 --> 00:16:59,734
did you call him and let him know
you were having trouble with your car?
389
00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:01,066
I did as a friend, yes.
390
00:17:01,133 --> 00:17:03,467
And what did you say to him,
and what did he say to you?
391
00:17:03,533 --> 00:17:07,367
I just told him I dropped my son off
at his Taekwondo,
392
00:17:07,467 --> 00:17:10,800
and we were trying to leave,
and my car was not working.
393
00:17:10,900 --> 00:17:12,333
And what did he say to you?
394
00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,300
That he will come and-- and help me.
395
00:17:14,367 --> 00:17:15,367
- And help you?
- Yeah.
396
00:17:15,433 --> 00:17:16,567
That was on March 2nd.
397
00:17:16,700 --> 00:17:17,800
That was on March 2nd, yes.
398
00:17:17,900 --> 00:17:20,000
And did he come to the motel
where you were staying?
399
00:17:20,066 --> 00:17:21,066
No, he did not.
400
00:17:21,133 --> 00:17:22,767
Well, how did he come
and help you with the car?
401
00:17:22,834 --> 00:17:25,967
Because my car was at my son's
taekwondo, so he went there.
402
00:17:26,033 --> 00:17:27,834
- He came to where you were?
- Mm-hmm.
403
00:17:27,900 --> 00:17:29,967
And did he take your car someplace?
404
00:17:30,033 --> 00:17:31,367
Um, not on that day, no.
405
00:17:31,500 --> 00:17:33,233
What did he do on that day?
406
00:17:33,433 --> 00:17:35,233
On that day, he took me and my son home.
407
00:17:35,300 --> 00:17:37,200
- So that was March 2nd?
- Mm-hmm.
408
00:17:37,266 --> 00:17:39,500
Keep going. March 2nd, March 3rd?
409
00:17:39,567 --> 00:17:41,533
And then, on March 3rd,
410
00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,300
we ended up having my car
taken over to O'Reilly's--
411
00:17:44,367 --> 00:17:45,533
well, we got a battery.
412
00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,433
- How much was it?
- It was $167 dollars.
413
00:17:48,500 --> 00:17:50,066
- Who paid for it?
- I did.
414
00:17:50,133 --> 00:17:52,600
- So then you were driving it again.
- Mm-hmm.
415
00:17:52,734 --> 00:17:54,200
- "Uh-huh" is not "yes."
- Yes, correct.
416
00:17:54,266 --> 00:17:57,000
Okay. And when was the next time
there was difficulty with the car?
417
00:17:57,066 --> 00:17:59,834
Then the next time was March 7th.
It died again.
418
00:17:59,900 --> 00:18:02,700
So on March 7th, the car died again.
And what did you do?
419
00:18:02,767 --> 00:18:05,133
Then on March 7th,
I called him and told him
420
00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,700
that something's wrong with my car again.
421
00:18:07,767 --> 00:18:09,033
Now it's not starting again.
422
00:18:09,100 --> 00:18:11,200
Okay, and tell me why you called him.
423
00:18:11,266 --> 00:18:14,133
Because as a good friend. Like I said,
we've been friends for 15 years.
424
00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,834
{\an8}As it is, I don't ask anybody for help.
I usually try to do everything on my own.
425
00:18:17,900 --> 00:18:19,834
So you called him
and said the car died again?
426
00:18:19,900 --> 00:18:23,600
Yep. But he had made it known
that he was knowledgeable about cars,
427
00:18:23,667 --> 00:18:26,066
so I figured that maybe he would
know what was going on.
428
00:18:26,133 --> 00:18:28,900
You know who else is knowledgeable?
Mechanics.
429
00:18:28,967 --> 00:18:30,233
Mm-hmm.
430
00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,567
{\an8}You want to tell me
what the additional harassment is?
431
00:18:34,633 --> 00:18:36,033
{\an8}He showed up at my motel,
432
00:18:36,100 --> 00:18:37,800
{\an8}- threatening...
- What did he want?
433
00:18:37,867 --> 00:18:40,800
{\an8}When I had talked to him before,
when he thought that
434
00:18:40,867 --> 00:18:43,800
{\an8}David and I were not together anymore,
he said, "Oh, it's not about the money."
435
00:18:43,867 --> 00:18:45,033
{\an8}He goes, "I just want you."
436
00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,834
{\an8}Derick Mohrmann
says his former friend
437
00:18:59,900 --> 00:19:02,767
{\an8}Sherry Strauss owes for car repairs.
438
00:19:02,834 --> 00:19:07,133
Sherry is countersuing, claiming
Derick damaged her car trying to fix it.
439
00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:11,333
Okay, so on the 7th, you called him again
and said you were having trouble.
440
00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:13,934
Then on the 7th, um, I had to go to work,
441
00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:15,467
so I had another friend take me to work.
442
00:19:15,533 --> 00:19:17,667
He came and picked me up from work,
443
00:19:17,900 --> 00:19:20,734
and we took my car
back over to O'Reilly's.
444
00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:22,433
Took the battery out. Had them test it.
445
00:19:22,500 --> 00:19:24,600
The battery had been drained.
446
00:19:24,667 --> 00:19:26,867
Figured it was the alternator.
Got the alternator.
447
00:19:26,934 --> 00:19:28,500
He put the alternator in.
448
00:19:28,567 --> 00:19:30,633
Who paid for all of these repairs?
That's what it's about.
449
00:19:30,700 --> 00:19:31,734
I paid for them.
450
00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:33,333
So, what is he suing for?
451
00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:37,133
Because later on my brakes and rotors
went out, and I got a flat tire.
452
00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,333
So, at that time yes,
I did call him, and let him know...
453
00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:41,500
On what date was that?
454
00:19:41,567 --> 00:19:44,967
That was on April 16th of 2022.
455
00:19:45,033 --> 00:19:46,266
Okay. Well, right now,
456
00:19:46,333 --> 00:19:50,033
it's gone on the fritz on the 2nd,
the 7th, and April 16th.
457
00:19:50,100 --> 00:19:51,667
- Mm-hmm.
- So, that's a lot of aggravation.
458
00:19:51,734 --> 00:19:56,834
So, on April 16th, fiasco with the car
and the repairs, how much was that?
459
00:19:56,900 --> 00:19:58,800
$234.
460
00:19:58,867 --> 00:20:01,266
- Who paid for that?
- He said that he would pay for it.
461
00:20:01,333 --> 00:20:05,233
He originally told me that his mechanic
would allow me to make payments.
462
00:20:05,300 --> 00:20:08,834
And when we went to go pick it up
on April 22nd,
463
00:20:08,900 --> 00:20:10,800
found out that was not the case.
464
00:20:10,867 --> 00:20:12,934
Okay, so he wasn't going
to allow you to make payments?
465
00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:14,367
- No.
- Which mechanics usually don't.
466
00:20:14,433 --> 00:20:16,033
So, how much was the bill?
467
00:20:16,100 --> 00:20:19,200
So, the bill was $567.91.
468
00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,834
And he paid for that because
they wouldn't let you make payments?
469
00:20:21,900 --> 00:20:23,300
He paid for that 'cause he knew I was...
470
00:20:23,367 --> 00:20:24,500
No, no. Not "he knew."
471
00:20:24,567 --> 00:20:27,600
You were originally going to pay
for that, and make payments.
472
00:20:27,667 --> 00:20:29,567
- Yeah, I was gonna make payments.
- Shh. Just a second.
473
00:20:29,633 --> 00:20:32,667
You were originally going
to pay for it and make payments.
474
00:20:32,734 --> 00:20:34,000
- Mm-hmm.
- You found out
475
00:20:34,066 --> 00:20:35,734
that you couldn't make payments,
476
00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:39,667
so he said, "Fine, I will make
the full payment to the mechanic."
477
00:20:39,734 --> 00:20:41,567
- Yeah.
- But it was always your intention
478
00:20:41,633 --> 00:20:43,433
to pay for the repairs of the car,
479
00:20:43,500 --> 00:20:46,133
only you wanted to pay for it
in a slower fashion.
480
00:20:46,367 --> 00:20:48,433
Right. I was going to make
the payments to the mechanic, yeah.
481
00:20:48,500 --> 00:20:49,767
- Right. Okay.
- Yeah, mm-hmm.
482
00:20:49,967 --> 00:20:54,100
What I want to know is,
did you pay him back any of the $567?
483
00:20:54,166 --> 00:20:56,667
I gave him $300
to help with him with rent, but I...
484
00:20:56,734 --> 00:21:00,300
Just a second. Tell me
when you gave him $300 for rent.
485
00:21:00,367 --> 00:21:03,467
Um, I gave him the $300 on April 29th.
486
00:21:03,533 --> 00:21:05,834
- That was after you picked up the car.
- Mm-hmm.
487
00:21:06,033 --> 00:21:07,700
- "Uh-huh" is not an answer.
- Yes, ma'am.
488
00:21:07,767 --> 00:21:10,333
{\an8}Did she give you $300 for rent?
489
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,533
{\an8}No, Your Honor. I don't need
anybody to help me pay my rent.
490
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,433
{\an8}Do you have any proof
that you gave him $300 for rent?
491
00:21:16,500 --> 00:21:18,166
A withdrawal from a bank?
492
00:21:18,233 --> 00:21:20,233
- Or anything?
- No. No, I don't, Your Honor.
493
00:21:20,300 --> 00:21:23,133
Okay. So, so far you owe him $567.
494
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,600
Is that what you paid
for her in April?
495
00:21:25,700 --> 00:21:30,133
No, Your Honor.
I paid 674 dollars and 76 cents.
496
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,000
- May I see it, please?
- Yes, ma'am.
497
00:21:42,066 --> 00:21:43,166
Yeah. April 18th.
498
00:21:45,333 --> 00:21:48,700
Six seventy-four.
Would you show this to Miss Strauss?
499
00:21:49,867 --> 00:21:52,433
- Okay. Mr. Mohrmann?
- Yes, Your Honor?
500
00:21:52,500 --> 00:21:55,233
There subsequently came a time,
which I think
501
00:21:55,333 --> 00:21:58,166
probably was a more social issue
than anything else,
502
00:21:58,233 --> 00:22:00,600
when the defendant advised...
503
00:22:01,033 --> 00:22:02,800
I have a different one.
Show that receipt right there.
504
00:22:02,867 --> 00:22:05,066
- May I see it?
- For $567.91.
505
00:22:13,100 --> 00:22:15,500
Well, I actually
am not understanding this.
506
00:22:15,567 --> 00:22:17,533
He paid for this with his VISA card.
507
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,400
- Is that right?
- That is correct.
508
00:22:19,467 --> 00:22:20,800
Could you explain this to me?
509
00:22:20,867 --> 00:22:23,633
This is your VISA card.
This is the same invoice.
510
00:22:24,066 --> 00:22:27,100
One of them is for $567.91.
511
00:22:27,166 --> 00:22:31,734
And the one that you gave me,
the same invoice number, is $674.76.
512
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,100
- Sarah, would you do me a favor, please?
- Sure.
513
00:22:34,266 --> 00:22:36,867
- Would add up...
- From both, or just the top one?
514
00:22:36,934 --> 00:22:40,867
Well, let's start with just the top one,
for which there is a VISA receipt.
515
00:22:44,567 --> 00:22:48,133
So, I gather that all of this
became problematic
516
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,233
when you started to see a serious boyfriend.
517
00:22:51,300 --> 00:22:53,000
- Is that right?
- That is correct.
518
00:22:53,066 --> 00:22:57,300
Now, after March, you said you stayed
occasionally at Mr. Mohrmann's.
519
00:22:57,467 --> 00:23:00,700
When you stayed at Mr. Mohrmann's,
was that was more of a social--
520
00:23:00,767 --> 00:23:05,033
I mean, was it a more intimate
relationship than just social friends?
521
00:23:05,100 --> 00:23:06,433
This was after March.
522
00:23:06,500 --> 00:23:08,200
- Um...
- After you were in the motel.
523
00:23:08,367 --> 00:23:11,967
{\an8}We were kind of like friends with,
you know, benefits in a way. So, yeah.
524
00:23:12,033 --> 00:23:15,300
{\an8}Okay. All right. And then you
found someone new,
525
00:23:15,367 --> 00:23:18,000
and according to him, you advised him
that you had somebody new.
526
00:23:18,066 --> 00:23:21,333
- Mm-hmm.
- And now he wants the money for the car,
527
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,066
which you were going to pay anyway.
528
00:23:23,133 --> 00:23:25,500
Originally, I figured
it was a friend helping a friend.
529
00:23:25,567 --> 00:23:26,567
- No, it wasn't.
- I didn't think of it as a loan.
530
00:23:26,633 --> 00:23:29,500
No, no, no. It wasn't.
Even you say, Miss Strauss,
531
00:23:29,567 --> 00:23:31,567
it was your intention
to pay this bill for your car
532
00:23:31,633 --> 00:23:33,934
as you would pay
the other bills for your car.
533
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,567
However, when you got there,
534
00:23:35,633 --> 00:23:37,834
you found you couldn't make
timed payments,
535
00:23:37,900 --> 00:23:41,734
so he said, "Well, you need a car.
I'll lay it out up front."
536
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,934
But, it was always your intention
to pay for your own car.
537
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,166
Do we have a...?
538
00:23:46,900 --> 00:23:50,567
That is the correct number.
And then at the bottom, that totals.
539
00:23:50,633 --> 00:23:54,734
And then, the additional
to bring you to $567 is the tax.
540
00:23:56,934 --> 00:24:00,967
So the next part of your case
is about harassment.
541
00:24:01,033 --> 00:24:02,934
By whom? And for what?
542
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:07,166
Uh, Your Honor, after, uh,
Mr. Martinez got into the picture...
543
00:24:07,233 --> 00:24:08,533
- That's this gentleman?
- Yes, ma'am.
544
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,767
He was a man of his word,
and he was going to pay me
545
00:24:12,367 --> 00:24:14,200
{\an8}not to talk to Sherry any longer.
546
00:24:14,734 --> 00:24:15,834
{\an8}Which I didn't.
547
00:24:15,900 --> 00:24:19,934
{\an8}Okay. So, you had a discussion
with him that all of her bills,
548
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,233
{\an8}he was going to take care of?
549
00:24:21,433 --> 00:24:23,500
- Many discussions. Yes, Your Honor.
- Okay.
550
00:24:23,567 --> 00:24:24,567
And...?
551
00:24:24,767 --> 00:24:27,600
- I never got a dime.
- Okay. Well, what is the harassment?
552
00:24:27,667 --> 00:24:31,367
Text messages. Uh,
my witness here, Miss Montoya...
553
00:24:31,667 --> 00:24:34,033
No, just a second.
Text messages, what?
554
00:24:34,100 --> 00:24:36,500
Just saying, "Hey, leave her alone."
Which is fine.
555
00:24:36,567 --> 00:24:37,633
Okay, that's all right.
That's not harassment.
556
00:24:37,700 --> 00:24:39,967
- Yeah, I-I don't have a problem with that.
- Okay, fine.
557
00:24:40,033 --> 00:24:43,133
But it was, "Hey, I'm gonna pay you,
I'm a man of my word."
558
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,800
Okay. Well, that-- you're not
suing him, so who cares about that?
559
00:24:45,867 --> 00:24:47,967
- Yeah.
- She owes you $567.
560
00:24:48,033 --> 00:24:49,433
That's what you put on your VISA.
561
00:24:49,500 --> 00:24:53,000
Now let's get to your money owed
for car repairs and harassment.
562
00:24:53,066 --> 00:24:54,200
- Mm-hmm.
- Okay.
563
00:24:54,266 --> 00:24:57,467
You don't have a mechanic here,
so what your claim is, is that
564
00:24:57,533 --> 00:24:59,767
whatever he did to the car,
he didn't do well,
565
00:24:59,834 --> 00:25:01,200
so you had to take the car,
566
00:25:01,266 --> 00:25:03,633
or you're gonna have to take
the car to another mechanic.
567
00:25:03,700 --> 00:25:06,900
I don't care. You had planned
to fix this car yourself.
568
00:25:06,967 --> 00:25:08,500
The problem was with payments.
569
00:25:08,567 --> 00:25:12,734
If you had to make additional repairs
to the car, that's not his problem.
570
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,667
Okay. Now you want to tell me
what the additional harassment is?
571
00:25:15,734 --> 00:25:18,300
Mm-hmm. Well, that's why
I have my two witnesses here.
572
00:25:18,367 --> 00:25:22,333
He's spent a lot of time calling me names,
he's called my fiancé names.
573
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,066
He showed up at my motel,
threatening and stuff like that.
574
00:25:26,133 --> 00:25:27,967
- What did he want?
- He wanted his money...
575
00:25:28,033 --> 00:25:29,533
- Okay.
- But at one point in time...
576
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,333
Now he's got his--
Now he's got--
577
00:25:31,467 --> 00:25:33,367
I didn't--
I don't need to speak to you.
578
00:25:33,433 --> 00:25:35,200
- No, but when I...
- Now he's got his money.
579
00:25:35,266 --> 00:25:38,200
When I had talked to him before,
when he thought that
580
00:25:38,300 --> 00:25:40,900
David and I was not together anymore,
he said, "Oh, it's not about the money."
581
00:25:40,967 --> 00:25:42,300
He goes, "I just want you."
582
00:25:42,367 --> 00:25:44,367
He's got several messages from me,
583
00:25:44,433 --> 00:25:47,200
how he loves me, he wants to be
with me and all this and that...
584
00:25:47,266 --> 00:25:49,100
Yeah, but you don't love him
and you don't wanna be with him,
585
00:25:49,166 --> 00:25:51,834
so now you have to pay him
for your car repairs: $567.
586
00:25:51,900 --> 00:25:53,233
- Yeah.
- Judgment for the plaintiff.
587
00:25:53,300 --> 00:25:54,400
We're finished,
thank you very much.
588
00:25:54,467 --> 00:25:56,266
- Thank you, Your Honor.
- This court is adjourned.
589
00:25:58,967 --> 00:26:01,867
{\an8}Hey, justice was served,
and that's all that matters.
590
00:26:01,967 --> 00:26:04,233
{\an8}It was about 'cause he didn't have me.
591
00:26:04,300 --> 00:26:06,133
{\an8}I went with somebody else,
and it wasn't with him.
592
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,367
{\an8}She was a friend,
and I tried to help her out.
593
00:26:08,433 --> 00:26:10,934
{\an8}We've been friends for a long time,
so I told him we would be,
594
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,800
{\an8}you know,
that I wanted to be his friend.
595
00:26:12,867 --> 00:26:14,800
{\an8}I ain't gonna help, I can tell you that.
596
00:26:14,867 --> 00:26:18,533
{\an8}I want to continue the friendship,
and he didn't want that.
597
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,767
{\an8}No. Never again on her. No.
598
00:26:20,834 --> 00:26:22,300
{\an8}Time to find another mechanic.
599
00:26:23,533 --> 00:26:26,734
So, I really didn't have trouble,
that much trouble with that case
600
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,367
because the defendant
had really planned
601
00:26:29,767 --> 00:26:31,567
on paying for her car repairs.
602
00:26:31,667 --> 00:26:34,300
Do I think that the guy said to her,
"You can make payments,"
603
00:26:34,367 --> 00:26:36,166
and when she got there said no?
604
00:26:36,266 --> 00:26:37,867
Who knows?
It's not worth it.
605
00:26:37,934 --> 00:26:40,633
- Yeah.
- He felt used.
606
00:26:40,700 --> 00:26:42,100
Which I think is valid.
607
00:26:42,166 --> 00:26:43,433
Which, you know...
608
00:26:43,500 --> 00:26:45,100
give somebody money,
and then you've had
609
00:26:45,166 --> 00:26:47,900
sort of a friends-with-benefits
relationship and all,
610
00:26:47,967 --> 00:26:49,467
and you've got somebody new,
611
00:26:49,533 --> 00:26:51,300
and you're driving around in a car...
612
00:26:51,367 --> 00:26:53,400
- Yep.
- ...you paid to repair.
613
00:26:53,467 --> 00:26:56,133
- It was simple and easy.
- It was. They're not all that easy.
614
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:57,200
You're right.
615
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,533
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