1 00:00:00,333 --> 00:00:02,700 - Did you ever move into the apartment? - Never. 2 00:00:02,767 --> 00:00:05,000 - But you would continue to pay the rent. - Correct. 3 00:00:05,066 --> 00:00:07,734 I found out that the rent hadn't been paid, so that was a surprise. 4 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:10,266 He's responsible for that rent money no matter what. 5 00:00:10,333 --> 00:00:12,100 - You lived there alone. - Mm-hmm. 6 00:00:12,166 --> 00:00:13,800 And he was paying the rent. 7 00:00:13,867 --> 00:00:14,734 Yes. 8 00:00:15,367 --> 00:00:17,767 This is Judy Justice. 9 00:00:34,433 --> 00:00:37,433 {\an8}Emmett Moss is suing his former friend 10 00:00:37,500 --> 00:00:39,900 {\an8}Nadine Drury for unpaid loans. 11 00:00:40,767 --> 00:00:42,800 Court come to order. All rise. 12 00:00:43,567 --> 00:00:44,967 Be seated, everybody. 13 00:00:45,967 --> 00:00:47,500 - {\an8}- - Hello, Judge. - How are you? 14 00:00:47,567 --> 00:00:50,500 {\an8}Case #2015, Moss versus Drury. 15 00:00:50,567 --> 00:00:51,867 - Thank you. - You're welcome. 16 00:00:52,767 --> 00:00:58,133 Mr. Moss, prior to leasing an apartment with the defendant, 17 00:00:58,200 --> 00:00:59,834 had you known each other? 18 00:00:59,900 --> 00:01:01,734 - Sort of. Uh-- - Tell me "sort of." 19 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:05,734 So we met one time about a year prior. 20 00:01:06,233 --> 00:01:10,233 We have mutual friends, one of which had asked me to 21 00:01:10,300 --> 00:01:13,000 get ordained to marry her and her husband. 22 00:01:13,066 --> 00:01:15,100 So I flew in town to do that, 23 00:01:15,166 --> 00:01:18,333 and Nadine was there at their house when I flew in. 24 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:19,633 {\an8}We saw each other for a few minutes, 25 00:01:19,700 --> 00:01:21,934 {\an8}and that's actually the only time we ever met in person. 26 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,433 And there came a time when you were looking for an apartment where? 27 00:01:25,500 --> 00:01:28,333 I was looking for an apartment in the Salt Lake area. Um... 28 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:30,433 - And where have you been living? - In Seattle. 29 00:01:30,500 --> 00:01:32,233 And where were you living, Ms. Drury? 30 00:01:32,300 --> 00:01:33,367 In Salt Lake City. 31 00:01:33,433 --> 00:01:35,066 - You were looking to move? - Yes. 32 00:01:35,133 --> 00:01:38,133 So other than that one time meeting, when you were officiating 33 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:40,500 at a mutual friend's wedding, you hadn't met before, 34 00:01:40,567 --> 00:01:42,867 but somebody suggested that you were looking for an apartment, 35 00:01:42,934 --> 00:01:44,433 you were looking for a new apartment, 36 00:01:44,500 --> 00:01:46,834 and perhaps you could rent an apartment together? 37 00:01:46,900 --> 00:01:48,400 - Yes, that-- that-- - Fair statement? 38 00:01:48,467 --> 00:01:49,400 - In fact. - Yes, Your Honor. 39 00:01:49,467 --> 00:01:51,266 And in what month and year did that happen? 40 00:01:51,333 --> 00:01:55,767 It would have been in October of 2020 41 00:01:55,834 --> 00:01:59,166 that this arrangement sort of came to be like, 42 00:01:59,233 --> 00:02:01,500 "Hey, maybe you should see if maybe--" 43 00:02:01,567 --> 00:02:03,834 But you did in fact, sign a lease together. 44 00:02:03,900 --> 00:02:04,900 Who found the apartment? 45 00:02:04,967 --> 00:02:05,834 - Nadine did. - I did. 46 00:02:05,900 --> 00:02:08,867 You did. Prior to signing the lease, Mr. Moss, 47 00:02:08,934 --> 00:02:10,367 had you seen the apartment? 48 00:02:10,433 --> 00:02:12,967 - No, um, I mean... - No is the answer. 49 00:02:13,033 --> 00:02:17,200 Did you ever see the apartment other than videos or photographs of it? 50 00:02:17,266 --> 00:02:19,333 - No, I never saw the apartment. - Prior to signing the lease. 51 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:20,533 - Correct. - Also correct. 52 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:21,467 Correct. 53 00:02:21,533 --> 00:02:23,266 On what date was the lease signed? 54 00:02:23,333 --> 00:02:26,433 {\an8}On the 7th of November of 2020. 55 00:02:26,500 --> 00:02:28,500 The rent on the apartment was how much? 56 00:02:28,567 --> 00:02:31,033 It was 585 a month each. 57 00:02:31,100 --> 00:02:33,500 {\an8}$1,170, Your Honor. 58 00:02:33,567 --> 00:02:35,433 {\an8}So 585 per month each. 59 00:02:35,500 --> 00:02:38,333 You both signed it on the same day. Did you move in? 60 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:39,667 - I did. - On what date? 61 00:02:39,734 --> 00:02:40,834 November 8th. 62 00:02:40,900 --> 00:02:42,900 - And you were still in Seattle? - Correct. 63 00:02:42,967 --> 00:02:44,767 Did you ever move into the apartment? 64 00:02:44,834 --> 00:02:46,300 - Never. - And that is also correct? 65 00:02:46,367 --> 00:02:47,233 Correct. 66 00:02:47,300 --> 00:02:50,066 Because for whatever reason, you decided to stay in Seattle. 67 00:02:50,133 --> 00:02:52,400 - Correct. - Is that work related or socially? 68 00:02:52,467 --> 00:02:53,300 Social. 69 00:02:53,367 --> 00:02:56,900 And then you contacted her and told her that you weren't intending to move in. 70 00:02:56,967 --> 00:02:57,900 Correct. 71 00:02:57,967 --> 00:03:00,767 But that you would continue to pay your half of the rent. 72 00:03:00,834 --> 00:03:02,533 - Is that also correct? - Correct, Your Honor. 73 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:06,734 {\an8}And you were making a direct deposit to the account to pay the rent? 74 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:10,767 {\an8}Yeah. It was an automatic payment from my account to the rental. 75 00:03:10,834 --> 00:03:12,734 - To the rental office. - Yeah, to the rental office. 76 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:16,667 Then you came to find that Ms. Drury 77 00:03:16,734 --> 00:03:19,233 had stopped paying her portion of the rent. 78 00:03:19,300 --> 00:03:22,700 When did you stop making payments on your portion of the rent? 79 00:03:22,767 --> 00:03:24,533 In January. 80 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,500 So you pay either full or partial for November 81 00:03:27,567 --> 00:03:30,567 {\an8}because you moved in on the 8th and you paid December's rent. 82 00:03:30,633 --> 00:03:33,567 - {\an8}- - Correct. - And you stopped paying rent in January. 83 00:03:33,633 --> 00:03:37,166 - Why? - I lost my job in December of 2020. 84 00:03:37,233 --> 00:03:40,400 So I'm going to outline now what this case is about. 85 00:03:40,467 --> 00:03:41,333 Yes. 86 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:46,400 Mr. Moss continued paying his half of the rent until you found a roommate. 87 00:03:46,467 --> 00:03:48,633 - Correct. - And you found a roommate when? 88 00:03:48,700 --> 00:03:50,867 I believe I found him in February. 89 00:03:50,934 --> 00:03:54,934 And he moved in in the month of March and started paying his half of the rent. 90 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:59,500 So you didn't pay rent January or February for two months. 91 00:03:59,567 --> 00:04:00,467 Correct. 92 00:04:00,533 --> 00:04:02,533 - And you had no work. - Correct. 93 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,734 When you found out that the rent wasn't being paid, 94 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,467 according to you, in order to not impact your credit, you spoke to her, 95 00:04:09,533 --> 00:04:10,533 she said, "I don't have a job." 96 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,700 You said, "I can help you out. I'll send you money." 97 00:04:13,767 --> 00:04:15,900 - Mm-hmm. - Is that generally what happened then? 98 00:04:15,967 --> 00:04:17,900 - Then I'll get into generally-- - It's generally what happened, um... 99 00:04:17,967 --> 00:04:19,667 but there is a little more detail to it. 100 00:04:19,734 --> 00:04:21,967 - I'm gonna let you get to the details. - All right. 101 00:04:22,033 --> 00:04:26,500 And you want that money back, the money that you advanced her 102 00:04:26,567 --> 00:04:30,133 in her time of need, which was how much in total? 103 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,767 {\an8}The total is $3,360. 104 00:04:32,834 --> 00:04:35,633 {\an8}She did at some point pay me $300 back. 105 00:04:35,700 --> 00:04:38,433 So the amount I am seeking is $3,060. 106 00:04:38,500 --> 00:04:40,667 Okay. Are those figures accurate? 107 00:04:40,734 --> 00:04:41,633 Yes. 108 00:04:41,700 --> 00:04:45,166 And he gave you that money not because you were good friends, 109 00:04:45,233 --> 00:04:46,400 because you were a relative, 110 00:04:46,467 --> 00:04:47,967 - he had met you one time. - Right. 111 00:04:48,033 --> 00:04:52,166 And he had in fact said to you, "I will continue to pay my rent 112 00:04:52,233 --> 00:04:54,200 even though I know you from a hole in the wall, 113 00:04:54,266 --> 00:04:56,300 I will continue because I signed this lease, 114 00:04:56,367 --> 00:04:58,633 until you find someone to get me off the lease." 115 00:04:58,700 --> 00:04:59,734 That's correct, Your Honor. 116 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,867 And your defense, it seems to me, to this action... 117 00:05:02,934 --> 00:05:03,800 Mm-hmm. 118 00:05:03,867 --> 00:05:07,934 is that he was really trying to scam the government 119 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:12,367 by depleting his bank account so he could collect food stamps or whatever. 120 00:05:12,433 --> 00:05:13,300 {\an8}No. 121 00:05:13,367 --> 00:05:16,767 {\an8}And as a result of that, because he wasn't being honest 122 00:05:16,834 --> 00:05:19,000 with the government, you shouldn't have to pay him back. 123 00:05:19,066 --> 00:05:21,700 I just want to know if that's what I'm reading correctly. 124 00:05:21,767 --> 00:05:23,934 - There was never an agreement on payback. - No, no, no. 125 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:25,600 That-- that's a different story. 126 00:05:25,667 --> 00:05:28,567 I'm going to read this over because, you know, I'm getting elderly 127 00:05:28,633 --> 00:05:34,000 and I may not have recalled exactly what you said in your answer. 128 00:05:37,233 --> 00:05:39,533 It doesn't say that here. 129 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:43,500 It says several months later, it's after you found a new roommate, 130 00:05:43,567 --> 00:05:46,967 "Emmett randomly reached out to me saying that I owed him money 131 00:05:47,033 --> 00:05:50,233 and demanded that I take out a personal loan to pay it. 132 00:05:50,300 --> 00:05:52,266 I refused. Emmett has some nerve. 133 00:05:52,333 --> 00:05:53,600 Not only did he break the lease--" 134 00:05:53,667 --> 00:05:55,300 Well, what difference does that make to you? 135 00:05:55,367 --> 00:05:57,033 He still was paying his half of the rent. 136 00:05:57,100 --> 00:05:59,834 So now you have a whole apartment by yourself and he was paying the rent. 137 00:05:59,900 --> 00:06:00,867 - Right? - Mm-hmm. 138 00:06:00,934 --> 00:06:02,300 "So why does he have some nerve? 139 00:06:02,367 --> 00:06:05,133 But he took advantage of me and used me to scam the system." 140 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:06,066 Mm-hmm. 141 00:06:06,133 --> 00:06:08,533 So that's what I understand your defense is. 142 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:10,834 It is. 143 00:06:10,900 --> 00:06:12,967 I have video evidence, Your Honor. 144 00:06:13,033 --> 00:06:14,800 - Video of what? - Of Emmett. 145 00:06:14,867 --> 00:06:18,200 - Of Emmett what? - Of Emmett explaining why he was trying to 146 00:06:18,266 --> 00:06:21,400 get on assistance and how he was like, 147 00:06:21,467 --> 00:06:23,867 "It's fine for you to pay rent with this money because I'm trying to 148 00:06:23,934 --> 00:06:26,100 empty my bank account so that I can get on food stamps." 149 00:06:26,166 --> 00:06:28,433 - That is true-- I can explain-- - Okay, just a second. 150 00:06:28,500 --> 00:06:29,867 Let's say that's true. He's going-- 151 00:06:29,934 --> 00:06:31,200 I'm not trying to scam anybody. I'm just trying to under-- 152 00:06:31,266 --> 00:06:32,133 Shh! 153 00:06:34,867 --> 00:06:36,333 I furnished the down payment for the car. 154 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,333 Okay, so you bought two cars. 155 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,467 No, just one. I-- I-- Uh-- 156 00:06:40,533 --> 00:06:42,000 - - "I--I--I-- - I-- - I--" 157 00:06:42,066 --> 00:06:43,734 I didn't have a vehicle at the time. 158 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:45,300 Oh, you know, I'm not believing you, sir. 159 00:06:45,367 --> 00:06:47,767 I'm really not buying this whole story. 160 00:06:58,700 --> 00:07:01,800 {\an8}Emmett Moss claims his former friend, 161 00:07:01,867 --> 00:07:04,667 {\an8}Nadine Drury, owes for unpaid loans. 162 00:07:04,734 --> 00:07:08,400 Nadine says Emmett broke the lease they were both on. 163 00:07:08,467 --> 00:07:11,033 - I'm just trying to get your mindset. - Mm. 164 00:07:11,100 --> 00:07:13,100 You know, I hate people who scam the system. 165 00:07:13,233 --> 00:07:16,266 - {\an8}- - But you got this money from him, - Mm-hmm. 166 00:07:16,333 --> 00:07:17,633 And your defense is that 167 00:07:17,700 --> 00:07:20,734 {\an8}he was trying to scam somebody else, 168 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:22,633 so you shouldn't really have to pay him back, 169 00:07:22,700 --> 00:07:23,867 even though it was his money. 170 00:07:23,934 --> 00:07:25,700 - It was his money... - It was his money 171 00:07:25,767 --> 00:07:29,400 that he took out of his bank and gave to you for no reason 172 00:07:29,467 --> 00:07:33,367 That I never agreed to pay back for a lease that he was legally on. 173 00:07:33,433 --> 00:07:36,100 He's responsible for that rent money, no matter what. 174 00:07:36,166 --> 00:07:37,800 You mean, so you get to live there free? 175 00:07:37,867 --> 00:07:39,166 - No-- - Well, just a second. 176 00:07:39,233 --> 00:07:40,600 So you get to live there free? 177 00:07:40,667 --> 00:07:42,934 If he paid for it for the months that you didn't, 178 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:44,500 you got to live there free. 179 00:07:44,567 --> 00:07:45,567 He wasn't even living there. 180 00:07:45,633 --> 00:07:48,834 It's not as if he was living there and you didn't get to live there free. 181 00:07:48,900 --> 00:07:50,867 - You lived there alone. - Mm-hmm. 182 00:07:50,934 --> 00:07:52,233 And he was paying the rent. 183 00:07:52,300 --> 00:07:53,266 Yes. 184 00:07:53,333 --> 00:07:55,533 Well, why do you think you're not responsible for that 185 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:56,900 once you get back on your feet? 186 00:07:57,033 --> 00:07:58,333 We never talked about a repayment. 187 00:07:58,400 --> 00:07:59,400 - No. - That's not-- 188 00:07:59,467 --> 00:08:01,033 Okay. Now, okay-- 189 00:08:01,100 --> 00:08:02,333 We definitely talked about repayment. 190 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:06,700 Now, I want you to explain to me and be very careful, 191 00:08:06,767 --> 00:08:09,133 because, you know, I've been in the system a very long time. 192 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,667 So I know about social services, and I know about the system, 193 00:08:12,734 --> 00:08:15,066 and I know about welfare, and I know about food stamps. 194 00:08:15,133 --> 00:08:16,066 I know all about that. 195 00:08:16,133 --> 00:08:18,333 - So you contact her? - Yes. 196 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:19,900 And she tells you she lost her job. 197 00:08:19,967 --> 00:08:21,867 - Yes. - Let's pick it up from there. 198 00:08:21,934 --> 00:08:26,200 Okay. So I found out through the payment portal 199 00:08:26,266 --> 00:08:29,633 that she hadn't paid rent. Yeah. We're past that! 200 00:08:29,700 --> 00:08:30,967 Okay. I contacted her about that-- 201 00:08:31,033 --> 00:08:31,900 We're past that! 202 00:08:31,967 --> 00:08:34,000 - Well, there was... - Don't look up. 203 00:08:34,633 --> 00:08:36,033 Uh, apologies. 204 00:08:36,100 --> 00:08:39,133 - Um... I-- - I sent her money that night. 205 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,433 No, no, no, no, no. You contacted the portal, 206 00:08:41,500 --> 00:08:43,667 and then you had to have had a conversation with her. 207 00:08:43,734 --> 00:08:44,667 Right. Right. 208 00:08:45,266 --> 00:08:48,033 To tell the truth, you don't have to have a good memory. 209 00:08:48,100 --> 00:08:51,166 Let's start with you contacted the portal and... 210 00:08:51,233 --> 00:08:53,667 you found out she hadn't been paying her rent. 211 00:08:53,734 --> 00:08:54,867 That was in January. 212 00:08:54,934 --> 00:08:56,166 Correct. January the 2nd. 213 00:08:56,233 --> 00:08:58,467 And January, she hadn't paid rent. 214 00:08:58,533 --> 00:09:00,734 And you called her and she said to you... 215 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:04,367 She said to me that she didn't have money to pay, 216 00:09:04,433 --> 00:09:09,400 which I was aware of because she had previously told me that she... 217 00:09:09,467 --> 00:09:10,767 Uh, well, okay. 218 00:09:10,834 --> 00:09:12,900 I was aware that she had lost her job. I wasn't aware until-- 219 00:09:12,967 --> 00:09:14,900 Just a second. How did you become aware 220 00:09:14,967 --> 00:09:16,266 that she had lost her job? 221 00:09:16,333 --> 00:09:18,000 {\an8}Because we were friendly with each other. 222 00:09:18,066 --> 00:09:20,400 {\an8}We were talking several times a week via Facebook messenger. 223 00:09:20,467 --> 00:09:22,734 {\an8}Okay. Fine. You knew that she lost her job. 224 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:23,667 Yes. 225 00:09:23,734 --> 00:09:26,300 And I assume you knew if she lost her job and you were speaking 226 00:09:26,367 --> 00:09:28,433 several times, you'd like to be very careful. 227 00:09:28,500 --> 00:09:30,133 This isn't just calling the pay portal 228 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,633 and finding out that this stranger who you met once 229 00:09:32,700 --> 00:09:33,834 wasn't paying her rent. 230 00:09:33,900 --> 00:09:35,166 - You were speaking-- and you knew that - Right. 231 00:09:35,233 --> 00:09:37,300 she had fallen on difficult times. 232 00:09:37,367 --> 00:09:38,734 - And? - I did. 233 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:40,400 Um, I didn't... 234 00:09:40,467 --> 00:09:42,533 Don't go up here. Right here. 235 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,667 I didn't know that she wasn't going to pay rent on time. 236 00:09:45,734 --> 00:09:47,500 - No, j-just a second. - On-- on-- 237 00:09:47,567 --> 00:09:48,567 You didn't know what? 238 00:09:48,633 --> 00:09:51,567 {\an8}On the second was when I found out that the rent hadn't been paid. 239 00:09:51,633 --> 00:09:53,333 - {\an8}- - I knew-- - On the 2nd of January. 240 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:55,100 - {\an8}- - The 2nd of January. - Just look at me. 241 00:09:55,166 --> 00:09:56,033 Mm-hmm. 242 00:09:56,100 --> 00:09:59,166 On the 2nd of January, you found out the rent hadn't been paid. 243 00:09:59,233 --> 00:10:00,266 What did you do? 244 00:10:00,333 --> 00:10:02,133 So I called Nadine to ask about it, 245 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,734 {\an8}and you told me that she didn't have the money, 246 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:07,000 {\an8}and so I said, 247 00:10:07,066 --> 00:10:10,066 "Okay, I have these extra funds 248 00:10:10,133 --> 00:10:12,967 because I--" at the time, was also unemployed. 249 00:10:13,033 --> 00:10:17,133 Um, I had been taking payments. 250 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:18,166 Apologies. 251 00:10:18,233 --> 00:10:20,600 Um, unemployment payments and then the COVID payments. 252 00:10:20,667 --> 00:10:21,633 And what?! 253 00:10:21,700 --> 00:10:24,467 The extra payments for COVID on top of unemployment. 254 00:10:24,533 --> 00:10:25,867 Because this was 2020. 255 00:10:25,934 --> 00:10:28,700 Welcome to Inflation 101. 256 00:10:28,767 --> 00:10:31,700 Right. So all of my payments 257 00:10:31,767 --> 00:10:35,233 had been late and had come in a lump sum. 258 00:10:35,300 --> 00:10:36,834 So that is why I had-- 259 00:10:36,900 --> 00:10:40,133 Okay. So your unemployment and your COVID funds... 260 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,000 - Yes. - came in in one lump sum. 261 00:10:42,066 --> 00:10:44,834 - Correct. - And I want you to think very carefully. 262 00:10:44,900 --> 00:10:46,433 - Mm-hmm. - And you're living where, sir? 263 00:10:46,500 --> 00:10:47,633 - Seattle. - Sea-- With whom? 264 00:10:47,700 --> 00:10:52,700 Um, at the time, uh, I was seeking a roommate. 265 00:10:52,767 --> 00:10:54,633 No. Where were you living? 266 00:10:54,700 --> 00:10:56,200 So I was living in Seattle. 267 00:10:56,266 --> 00:10:57,567 In Seattle with whom? 268 00:10:57,633 --> 00:10:59,233 - No one. - By yourself. 269 00:10:59,300 --> 00:11:00,367 {\an8}Yes. Uh... 270 00:11:00,433 --> 00:11:02,000 {\an8}Technically, someone was paying rent 271 00:11:02,066 --> 00:11:03,133 {\an8}because they had moved out. 272 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,300 {\an8}No d-- You're looking up at the sky. 273 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:07,567 Sorry. 274 00:11:07,633 --> 00:11:08,834 Don't look up at the sky. 275 00:11:08,900 --> 00:11:11,734 So somebody had moved out of their apartment, 276 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,400 - Yeah. - Which had been prepaid in rent. 277 00:11:14,467 --> 00:11:16,900 - Yes. - So you were living there rent free? 278 00:11:16,967 --> 00:11:19,934 No, no, no. This was my apartment that I'd lived in for three years. 279 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,000 And someone else had moved in and then moved out. 280 00:11:23,066 --> 00:11:25,333 And w-- they broke the lease. Not me. 281 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,967 They broke the lease, but they paid the rent. 282 00:11:28,033 --> 00:11:29,934 Correct. They-- they paid their half. 283 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:31,867 I was still paying my half of rent. 284 00:11:31,934 --> 00:11:34,533 I never defaulted on my rental payments in Seattle, ever. 285 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:36,700 - And they were still paying theirs? - Yes. 286 00:11:36,767 --> 00:11:39,600 So we were both each paying our respective parts of the rent 287 00:11:39,667 --> 00:11:42,100 And I was paying rent in Utah. 288 00:11:42,166 --> 00:11:44,900 And you were paying rent where the defendant was living. 289 00:11:44,967 --> 00:11:46,066 - Mm-hmm. - Okay. 290 00:11:46,133 --> 00:11:48,400 So I want you to think very carefully. 291 00:11:48,467 --> 00:11:50,834 - When you got your unemployment - Mm-hmm. 292 00:11:50,900 --> 00:11:53,934 and your extra COVID money in a lump sum, 293 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:55,700 - Mm-hmm. - how much did you get? 294 00:11:56,433 --> 00:11:58,266 - What I-- - No, no, don't look over there. 295 00:11:58,900 --> 00:12:00,967 You know exactly how much you got. 296 00:12:01,033 --> 00:12:02,433 - Yeah. - You don't have to think about it. 297 00:12:02,500 --> 00:12:04,633 - Just give me a number. - $10,000. 298 00:12:04,700 --> 00:12:06,533 Well, that should last you for a little bit. 299 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:08,667 And you've got $10,000 on what date? 300 00:12:08,734 --> 00:12:10,066 I don't remember. 301 00:12:10,133 --> 00:12:12,734 - Month. - It would have been in November. 302 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,533 - Okay, so now she's run out of funds, - Mm-hmm. 303 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,300 And you say to her, "I can..." Go ahead. 304 00:12:18,367 --> 00:12:22,934 {\an8}By the time we get to January, I do not have $10,000. 305 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:27,000 I have much less because of other circumstances. 306 00:12:27,066 --> 00:12:28,000 Like what? 307 00:12:28,066 --> 00:12:33,200 Like needing to purchase a car for the girlfriend that I stayed in town-- 308 00:12:33,266 --> 00:12:34,633 - "A car"? - Yes. 309 00:12:34,700 --> 00:12:37,667 - And what else? - Rental payments. That's it. Nothing-- 310 00:12:37,734 --> 00:12:39,400 You bought your girlfriend a car? 311 00:12:39,467 --> 00:12:42,967 I did. Her car that she had was a beater. 312 00:12:43,033 --> 00:12:45,266 - Um, and it wasn't safe. - I don't care. I don't care. 313 00:12:45,333 --> 00:12:46,500 Uh, what about your car? 314 00:12:46,567 --> 00:12:49,900 I did pur-- like, use it down-- - - I-- - I-- - I-- 315 00:12:49,967 --> 00:12:51,667 I furnished the down payment for the car. 316 00:12:51,734 --> 00:12:53,800 Okay, so you bought two cars? 317 00:12:53,867 --> 00:12:56,100 No, just one. I-- I-- Uh... 318 00:12:56,166 --> 00:12:57,133 - - "I--I--I--I-- - I-- - I" 319 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:58,967 I personally didn't have a vehicle at the time. 320 00:12:59,033 --> 00:13:00,934 Oh, you know, I'm not believing you, sir. 321 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,266 I'm really not buying this whole story. 322 00:13:03,333 --> 00:13:05,633 You're living by yourself with a roommate. 323 00:13:05,700 --> 00:13:08,867 The roommate moves out. Your girlfriend had a terrible car. 324 00:13:08,934 --> 00:13:10,300 You don't live with the girlfriend. 325 00:13:10,367 --> 00:13:12,433 - I don't-- but the girlfriend was-- - But you bought her a car. 326 00:13:12,500 --> 00:13:14,800 You didn't have a car, but you bought her a car. 327 00:13:14,867 --> 00:13:18,000 I had-- If we need to back it-- back it up, 328 00:13:18,066 --> 00:13:22,200 I had given up my car in a, um, bankruptcy 329 00:13:22,266 --> 00:13:24,467 earlier in the year because of-- 330 00:13:24,533 --> 00:13:25,767 And whose bankruptcy? 331 00:13:25,834 --> 00:13:27,100 - My bankruptcy. - Your bankruptcy. 332 00:13:27,166 --> 00:13:29,667 - That is why I didn't have a car. - It's getting better all the time. 333 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,200 - Okie-dokie. Okie-dokie... - It was an interesting year. 334 00:13:32,266 --> 00:13:33,600 That doesn't mean you don't owe him money. 335 00:13:33,667 --> 00:13:36,500 It just means I have to know the characters that I'm dealing with. 336 00:13:36,567 --> 00:13:37,800 - I understand, Your Honor. - Okay. 337 00:13:41,033 --> 00:13:44,000 While you were going to the program, which you said it was in person, 338 00:13:44,066 --> 00:13:44,934 Mm-hmm. 339 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,133 Were you getting any government assistance 340 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,000 that was connected to this trade school? 341 00:13:50,066 --> 00:13:50,934 I... 342 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,100 - - "I--I--I--I-- - I-- - I--I..." 343 00:13:53,166 --> 00:13:55,266 That's either a yes or a no. 344 00:14:06,900 --> 00:14:11,266 {\an8}Emmett Moss has accused his former friend Nadine Drury 345 00:14:11,333 --> 00:14:13,333 {\an8}of refusing to pay back loans. 346 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:17,867 Nadine claims she was used by Emmett to scam the government. 347 00:14:17,934 --> 00:14:21,467 So now you've got much less money from the $10,000. 348 00:14:21,533 --> 00:14:23,934 You bought your girlfriend a car, you had to pay her rent. 349 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:25,300 - You paid your own rent, - Mm-hmm. 350 00:14:25,367 --> 00:14:28,266 you had other things from bankruptcies that you had before. 351 00:14:28,333 --> 00:14:31,100 So you have a little bit of money left in the bank? 352 00:14:31,166 --> 00:14:32,600 - Yes. - Go ahead. 353 00:14:32,667 --> 00:14:35,667 - So, I... That evening-- - Don't look over there. Right here. 354 00:14:35,734 --> 00:14:37,700 - Now look right here. - That evening of the second, 355 00:14:37,767 --> 00:14:42,300 I paid Nadine a total of $710. 356 00:14:42,367 --> 00:14:47,533 Um, enough to cover the rent of $585, any fees it would cost her to go 357 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:49,700 and withdraw that money from the bank. 358 00:14:49,767 --> 00:14:52,266 And she also asked for extra money for groceries. 359 00:14:52,333 --> 00:14:55,934 Just a second. You acknowledge a $3,000 amount of money 360 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,000 that he gave you, am I right? 361 00:14:58,066 --> 00:14:58,967 - Yes. - Yes. 362 00:14:59,033 --> 00:15:01,333 {\an8}You say that that's correct. - That includes the money 363 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,800 {\an8}that he's saying that he spent on rent that he gave me for rent. 364 00:15:04,867 --> 00:15:08,333 And he's also asking for his deposit 365 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:09,734 - I didn't ask for my deposit. - that he had-- the deposit 366 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:10,900 - Right. - for the apartment back. 367 00:15:10,967 --> 00:15:11,834 Okay, well, he's entitled. 368 00:15:11,900 --> 00:15:14,767 There you have a new roommate who I'm sure you got a deposit from. 369 00:15:14,834 --> 00:15:16,834 - She chose to not... collect a deposit - And if you didn't-- 370 00:15:16,900 --> 00:15:17,967 - What? - from that roommate. 371 00:15:18,033 --> 00:15:19,000 - Well, that's her problem, - I agree. 372 00:15:19,066 --> 00:15:20,333 because she's going to get the deposit back. 373 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,300 - Yeah. - Okay, so that's reasonable. 374 00:15:22,367 --> 00:15:24,000 She's going to get the deposit back when she leaves. 375 00:15:24,066 --> 00:15:25,433 And if you leave-- if you leave the place 376 00:15:25,500 --> 00:15:27,033 in good condition, he was never living there, 377 00:15:27,100 --> 00:15:30,367 so if you don't leave it in good condition, then it's on you. 378 00:15:30,433 --> 00:15:35,133 I want to know about this video that she wants me to look at, 379 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,033 - Okay. - where you tell us some sort of a scheme 380 00:15:38,100 --> 00:15:40,400 you have to get more money from the government. 381 00:15:40,467 --> 00:15:41,367 It wasn't a scheme. 382 00:15:41,433 --> 00:15:43,200 Why don't you tell me about it? 383 00:15:43,266 --> 00:15:47,266 So far we've got $10,000 that was supposed to last you for six months, 384 00:15:47,333 --> 00:15:49,467 and you blew it on a car for your girlfriend. 385 00:15:49,533 --> 00:15:52,800 - And so, you may not call it a scheme. - Mm-hmm. 386 00:15:52,867 --> 00:15:57,633 I want you to tell me why you had to have a zero bank account. 387 00:15:57,700 --> 00:15:59,166 - I didn't have zero bank account. - Not-- 388 00:15:59,233 --> 00:16:02,433 - A more limited access to money. - Mm-hmm. 389 00:16:02,500 --> 00:16:04,600 What were you applying for, sir? 390 00:16:04,667 --> 00:16:07,667 - So... - Not so up here. So here. 391 00:16:07,734 --> 00:16:13,333 {\an8}Okay. I was applying for a program to, um, go into the trades. 392 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,433 So it was like a work study program, 393 00:16:15,500 --> 00:16:18,133 uh, like electrician, plumber, that sort of thing. 394 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:23,166 And again, I didn't have a job, and unemployment had completely stopped. 395 00:16:23,233 --> 00:16:24,166 And as far as-- 396 00:16:24,233 --> 00:16:26,133 How many years did you collect unemployment? 397 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:27,734 It was less than one year. 398 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:29,100 How many years had you worked? 399 00:16:29,166 --> 00:16:30,834 - How many years have I worked? - Yeah. 400 00:16:30,900 --> 00:16:32,367 Uh, I've been working since I was 16. 401 00:16:32,433 --> 00:16:33,800 So I've been 14-- 402 00:16:33,867 --> 00:16:35,600 Well, I'm surprised the unemployment totally ran out 403 00:16:35,667 --> 00:16:37,433 because they kept extending unemployment. 404 00:16:37,500 --> 00:16:39,266 People were unemployment for years during COVID. 405 00:16:39,333 --> 00:16:44,100 When they cut me off December of 2020, they did not re establish my claim. 406 00:16:44,166 --> 00:16:46,500 - I-- - I kept applying, and it was denied. 407 00:16:46,567 --> 00:16:48,734 So I don't know why, but it was. 408 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:50,100 What kind of work do you do now? 409 00:16:50,166 --> 00:16:51,834 I work for customer service. 410 00:16:51,900 --> 00:16:56,266 Okay. And the trade school that you wanted to go to was to prepare you for what? 411 00:16:56,333 --> 00:16:58,967 To be an electrician was what I wanted to do. 412 00:16:59,033 --> 00:17:00,333 - An electrician? - Yes. 413 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,166 And was this an online program? 414 00:17:02,233 --> 00:17:03,800 No, this was in person. 415 00:17:03,867 --> 00:17:05,934 - Where? - Um, it was in Seattle. 416 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,400 And how much did they give you to go to that program? 417 00:17:08,467 --> 00:17:10,967 They didn't give me money to go to the program, 418 00:17:11,033 --> 00:17:12,834 but the program was free of charge. 419 00:17:12,900 --> 00:17:15,367 Okay, so the government paid the tuition. 420 00:17:15,433 --> 00:17:16,500 Uh, I believe that it-- 421 00:17:16,567 --> 00:17:17,967 Well, somebody pays the tuition, sir. 422 00:17:18,033 --> 00:17:19,500 - Yeah. Yeah. - The government pays the tuition. 423 00:17:19,567 --> 00:17:20,433 Mm-hmm. 424 00:17:20,500 --> 00:17:24,467 And while you were going to the program, which you said it was in person, 425 00:17:24,533 --> 00:17:26,600 - Mm-hmm. - How are you supporting yourself? 426 00:17:26,667 --> 00:17:28,367 - So... - Were you getting 427 00:17:28,433 --> 00:17:32,967 any government assistance that was connected to this trade school? 428 00:17:33,033 --> 00:17:34,033 I... 429 00:17:34,100 --> 00:17:36,166 - - "I--I--I-- - I-- - I--" 430 00:17:36,233 --> 00:17:37,934 That's either a yes or a no. 431 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:39,000 - Yes. - Yes. 432 00:17:39,066 --> 00:17:40,600 I applied for food stamps and got food stamps. 433 00:17:40,667 --> 00:17:41,567 That is what I got. 434 00:17:41,667 --> 00:17:46,300 So you applied for some sort of assistance while you were going 435 00:17:46,367 --> 00:17:47,867 - to this trade school, - Correct. 436 00:17:47,934 --> 00:17:49,567 which you're not practicing now, 437 00:17:49,633 --> 00:17:51,166 and you're not an electrician. 438 00:17:51,233 --> 00:17:52,100 That is correct. 439 00:17:52,166 --> 00:17:54,367 And in order to apply for food stamps, 440 00:17:54,433 --> 00:17:56,700 you have to have a certain amount of money 441 00:17:56,767 --> 00:17:58,967 is the maximum you can have in your bank? 442 00:17:59,033 --> 00:17:59,967 That is correct. 443 00:18:00,100 --> 00:18:02,266 Okay, so that's the fraud you're talking about. 444 00:18:02,333 --> 00:18:03,834 That's why he gave you the money? 445 00:18:03,900 --> 00:18:05,433 - Yes, ma'am. - Okay. 446 00:18:05,500 --> 00:18:06,967 - I mean-- - Just-- just a second. 447 00:18:07,033 --> 00:18:09,066 I also gave her the money because 448 00:18:09,133 --> 00:18:11,667 she was going to need the-- the money for rent. 449 00:18:11,734 --> 00:18:15,033 Like, it was one of those situations where it was mutually 450 00:18:15,100 --> 00:18:17,300 beneficial for me to give her the money, but it wasn't-- 451 00:18:17,367 --> 00:18:20,166 You're looking up at the sky. I understand what happened. 452 00:18:20,233 --> 00:18:21,333 So, I... 453 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,367 I wasn't going to have any way to support myself. 454 00:18:23,433 --> 00:18:25,166 I needed something to... 455 00:18:25,233 --> 00:18:29,600 The-- the $2,000 was going to cover the rent for my place, 456 00:18:29,667 --> 00:18:33,166 and my place in Seattle and my place in Utah, 457 00:18:33,233 --> 00:18:34,567 and then I wasn't going to have anything. 458 00:18:34,633 --> 00:18:39,100 I understand that it became mutually beneficial for you to advance her 459 00:18:39,166 --> 00:18:40,967 - the money so that your bank account - Yes. 460 00:18:41,033 --> 00:18:43,767 would have lessen it so that you could receive assistance 461 00:18:43,834 --> 00:18:47,633 and also get free tuition at a trade school that you didn't use. 462 00:18:47,700 --> 00:18:48,967 My intention was to use it, 463 00:18:49,033 --> 00:18:50,333 and that changed my decision later. That's... 464 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,467 Do you think the trade school 465 00:18:52,533 --> 00:18:54,533 charged the government once you enrolled in it? 466 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:55,633 Yes. 467 00:18:55,700 --> 00:18:57,467 Yes, of course, they did. 468 00:18:57,533 --> 00:18:59,900 And do you know how much the tuition was in the trade school? 469 00:18:59,967 --> 00:19:01,500 Yes. You have to know. 470 00:19:01,567 --> 00:19:03,767 No, it was free to you, but it wasn't free to the government. 471 00:19:03,834 --> 00:19:05,800 - The government pays-- - Right, yeah. $1500 472 00:19:05,867 --> 00:19:07,467 - was what I was made to understand. - Fif-- 473 00:19:07,533 --> 00:19:08,400 Baloney. 474 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,467 You people really somehow deserve each other, 475 00:19:11,533 --> 00:19:13,800 but you owe him $3,000, madam. 476 00:19:13,867 --> 00:19:15,133 Judgment for the plaintiff. We're done. 477 00:19:15,667 --> 00:19:17,233 This court is adjourned. 478 00:19:17,300 --> 00:19:19,800 {\an8}I'm a little bit, uh... 479 00:19:20,233 --> 00:19:23,300 {\an8}shocked to be made out as a government scammer. 480 00:19:23,367 --> 00:19:26,567 {\an8}I mean, I lost my job, and I wasn't able and he bailed 481 00:19:26,633 --> 00:19:28,500 {\an8}on the-- the lease that he signed. 482 00:19:28,567 --> 00:19:31,867 {\an8}Because that wasn't, uh, ever my intentions. 483 00:19:31,934 --> 00:19:33,900 {\an8}I mean, I was alone. I had lost my job. 484 00:19:33,967 --> 00:19:35,533 {\an8}I just didn't have any support. 485 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,800 {\an8}Definitely careful about getting, uh, money from the government. 486 00:19:38,867 --> 00:19:40,066 {\an8}Just glad it's done. 487 00:19:40,133 --> 00:19:42,333 {\an8}Glad I don't ever have to see him again. 488 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,233 {\an8}I haven't had to do that since this whole situation, 489 00:19:45,300 --> 00:19:47,033 {\an8}and I intend to keep it that way. 490 00:19:48,300 --> 00:19:49,500 You know, it's so unfortunate 491 00:19:49,567 --> 00:19:52,567 because the plaintiff looked like an intelligent-enough man, 492 00:19:52,633 --> 00:19:57,700 able bodied, seemingly, and he spent a lot of time, effort, 493 00:19:57,767 --> 00:20:01,133 brain power, into bankruptcy proceedings, 494 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,967 trade schools that would be paid for by the government. 495 00:20:04,033 --> 00:20:07,934 Applying for food stamps, knowing what the threshold for food stamps is, 496 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,133 so that he had to get rid of a certain amount of money. 497 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,433 That seems like a lot of time and effort that could have been 498 00:20:13,500 --> 00:20:14,834 better spent gaining 499 00:20:14,900 --> 00:20:16,266 - legitimate employment - Skills. 500 00:20:16,333 --> 00:20:19,033 or skills at a trade school legitimately. 501 00:20:19,100 --> 00:20:22,300 And it's just unfortunate that some people decide to take the path 502 00:20:22,367 --> 00:20:26,200 that I view is more difficult in searching for ways to get free money. 503 00:20:26,266 --> 00:20:28,233 - Really unsatisfying. - Yeah. 504 00:20:28,300 --> 00:20:30,166 If you think about it, unsatisfying. 505 00:20:30,233 --> 00:20:32,266 Maybe going forward, he'll take a different path. 506 00:20:32,333 --> 00:20:33,533 Maybe. I doubt it. 507 00:20:35,133 --> 00:20:36,800 Want justice? 508 00:20:36,867 --> 00:20:38,700 - {\an8}Go to JudyJustice. - TV.