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- Did you ever move into the apartment?
- Never.
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- But you would continue to pay the rent.
- Correct.
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I found out that the rent hadn't
been paid, so that was a surprise.
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He's responsible for that
rent money no matter what.
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- You lived there alone.
- Mm-hmm.
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And he was paying the rent.
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Yes.
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This is Judy Justice.
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{\an8}Emmett Moss
is suing his former friend
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{\an8}Nadine Drury for unpaid loans.
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Court come to order. All rise.
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Be seated, everybody.
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- {\an8}-
- Hello, Judge.
- How are you?
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{\an8}Case #2015, Moss versus Drury.
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- Thank you.
- You're welcome.
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Mr. Moss, prior to leasing
an apartment with the defendant,
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had you known each other?
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- Sort of. Uh--
- Tell me "sort of."
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So we met one time about a year prior.
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We have mutual friends,
one of which had asked me to
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get ordained to marry her and her husband.
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So I flew in town to do that,
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and Nadine was there at their house
when I flew in.
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{\an8}We saw each other for a few minutes,
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{\an8}and that's actually the
only time we ever met in person.
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And there came a time when you
were looking for an apartment where?
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I was looking for an
apartment in the Salt Lake area. Um...
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- And where have you been living?
- In Seattle.
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And where were you living, Ms. Drury?
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In Salt Lake City.
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- You were looking to move?
- Yes.
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So other than that one time meeting,
when you were officiating
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at a mutual friend's wedding,
you hadn't met before,
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but somebody suggested that you were
looking for an apartment,
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you were looking for a new apartment,
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and perhaps you
could rent an apartment together?
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- Yes, that-- that--
- Fair statement?
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- In fact.
- Yes, Your Honor.
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And in what month and year
did that happen?
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It would have been in
October of 2020
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that this arrangement sort of
came to be like,
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"Hey, maybe you should see if maybe--"
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But you did in fact,
sign a lease together.
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Who found the apartment?
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- Nadine did.
- I did.
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You did.
Prior to signing the lease, Mr. Moss,
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had you seen the apartment?
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- No, um, I mean...
- No is the answer.
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Did you ever see the apartment
other than videos or photographs of it?
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- No, I never saw the apartment.
- Prior to signing the lease.
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- Correct.
- Also correct.
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Correct.
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On what date was the lease signed?
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{\an8}On the 7th of November of 2020.
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The rent on the apartment was how much?
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It was 585 a month each.
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{\an8}$1,170, Your Honor.
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{\an8}So 585 per month each.
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You both signed it on the same day.
Did you move in?
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- I did.
- On what date?
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November 8th.
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- And you were still in Seattle?
- Correct.
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Did you ever move into the apartment?
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- Never.
- And that is also correct?
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Correct.
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Because for whatever reason,
you decided to stay in Seattle.
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- Correct.
- Is that work related or socially?
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Social.
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And then you contacted her and told
her that you weren't intending to move in.
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Correct.
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But that you would
continue to pay your half of the rent.
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- Is that also correct?
- Correct, Your Honor.
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{\an8}And you were making a direct deposit
to the account to pay the rent?
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{\an8}Yeah. It was an automatic
payment from my account to the rental.
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- To the rental office.
- Yeah, to the rental office.
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Then you came to find that Ms. Drury
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had stopped
paying her portion of the rent.
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When did you stop making
payments on your portion of the rent?
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In January.
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So you pay either
full or partial for November
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{\an8}because you moved in on the 8th
and you paid December's rent.
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- {\an8}-
- Correct.
- And you stopped paying rent in January.
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- Why?
- I lost my job in December of 2020.
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So I'm going to outline
now what this case is about.
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Yes.
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Mr. Moss continued paying his half
of the rent until you found a roommate.
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- Correct.
- And you found a roommate when?
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I believe I found him in February.
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And he moved in in the month of March
and started paying his half of the rent.
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So you didn't pay rent
January or February for two months.
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Correct.
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- And you had no work.
- Correct.
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When you found
out that the rent wasn't being paid,
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according to you, in order to not
impact your credit, you spoke to her,
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she said, "I don't have a job."
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You said, "I can help you out.
I'll send you money."
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- Mm-hmm.
- Is that generally what happened then?
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- Then I'll get into generally--
- It's generally what happened, um...
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but there is a little more detail to it.
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- I'm gonna let you get to the details.
- All right.
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And you want that money back,
the money that you advanced her
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in her time of need,
which was how much in total?
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{\an8}The total is $3,360.
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{\an8}She did at some point
pay me $300 back.
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So the amount I am seeking is $3,060.
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Okay. Are those figures accurate?
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Yes.
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And he gave you that money
not because you were good friends,
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because you were a relative,
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- he had met you one time.
- Right.
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And he had in fact said to you,
"I will continue to pay my rent
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even though I know you from
a hole in the wall,
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I will continue because
I signed this lease,
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until you find someone
to get me off the lease."
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That's correct, Your Honor.
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And your defense,
it seems to me, to this action...
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Mm-hmm.
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is that he was really trying to
scam the government
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by depleting his bank account so he could
collect food stamps or whatever.
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{\an8}No.
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{\an8}And as a result of that,
because he wasn't being honest
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with the government,
you shouldn't have to pay him back.
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I just want to know if
that's what I'm reading correctly.
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- There was never an agreement on payback.
- No, no, no.
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That-- that's a different story.
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I'm going to read this over
because, you know, I'm getting elderly
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and I may not have recalled exactly
what you said in your answer.
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It doesn't say that here.
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It says several months later,
it's after you found a new roommate,
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"Emmett randomly reached out
to me saying that I owed him money
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and demanded that I take
out a personal loan to pay it.
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I refused.
Emmett has some nerve.
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Not only did he break the lease--"
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Well, what difference does
that make to you?
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He still was paying his half of the rent.
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So now you have a whole apartment
by yourself and he was paying the rent.
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- Right?
- Mm-hmm.
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"So why does he have some nerve?
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But he took advantage of me
and used me to scam the system."
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Mm-hmm.
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So that's what
I understand your defense is.
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It is.
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I have video evidence, Your Honor.
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- Video of what?
- Of Emmett.
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- Of Emmett what?
- Of Emmett explaining why he was trying to
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get on assistance
and how he was like,
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"It's fine for you to pay rent
with this money because I'm trying to
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empty my bank account
so that I can get on food stamps."
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- That is true-- I can explain--
- Okay, just a second.
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Let's say that's true. He's going--
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I'm not trying to scam anybody.
I'm just trying to under--
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Shh!
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I furnished the down payment for the car.
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Okay, so you bought two cars.
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No, just one. I-- I-- Uh--
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- - "I--I--I--
- I--
- I--"
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I didn't have a vehicle at the time.
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Oh, you know, I'm not believing you, sir.
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I'm really not buying this whole story.
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{\an8}Emmett Moss
claims his former friend,
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{\an8}Nadine Drury, owes for unpaid loans.
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Nadine says Emmett
broke the lease they were both on.
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- I'm just trying to get your mindset.
- Mm.
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You know,
I hate people who scam the system.
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- {\an8}-
- But you got this money from him,
- Mm-hmm.
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And your defense is that
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{\an8}he was trying to
scam somebody else,
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so you shouldn't really
have to pay him back,
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even though it was his money.
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- It was his money...
- It was his money
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that he took out of his bank and gave
to you for no reason
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That I never agreed to pay back for a
lease that he was legally on.
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He's responsible for that rent money,
no matter what.
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You mean, so you get to live there free?
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- No--
- Well, just a second.
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So you get to live there free?
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If he paid for it
for the months that you didn't,
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you got to live there free.
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He wasn't even living there.
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It's not as if he was living there
and you didn't get to live there free.
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- You lived there alone.
- Mm-hmm.
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And he was paying the rent.
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Yes.
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Well, why do you think
you're not responsible for that
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once you get back on your feet?
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We never talked about a repayment.
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- No.
- That's not--
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Okay. Now, okay--
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We definitely talked about repayment.
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Now, I want you
to explain to me and be very careful,
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because, you know, I've been in
the system a very long time.
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So I know about social services,
and I know about the system,
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and I know about welfare,
and I know about food stamps.
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I know all about that.
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- So you contact her?
- Yes.
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And she tells you she lost her job.
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- Yes.
- Let's pick it up from there.
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Okay. So I found out through
the payment portal
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that she hadn't paid rent.
Yeah. We're past that!
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Okay.
I contacted her about that--
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We're past that!
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- Well, there was...
- Don't look up.
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Uh, apologies.
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- Um... I--
- I sent her money that night.
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No, no, no, no, no.
You contacted the portal,
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and then you had to have had
a conversation with her.
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Right. Right.
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To tell the truth,
you don't have to have a good memory.
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Let's start with you
contacted the portal and...
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you found out she
hadn't been paying her rent.
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That was in January.
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Correct. January the 2nd.
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And January, she hadn't paid rent.
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And you called her and she said to you...
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She said to me that
she didn't have money to pay,
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which I was aware of because
she had previously told me that she...
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Uh, well, okay.
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I was aware that she had lost her job.
I wasn't aware until--
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Just a second. How did you become aware
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that she had lost her job?
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{\an8}Because we were friendly with each other.
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{\an8}We were talking several times
a week via Facebook messenger.
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{\an8}Okay. Fine.
You knew that she lost her job.
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Yes.
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And I assume you knew if she
lost her job and you were speaking
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several times,
you'd like to be very careful.
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This isn't just calling the pay portal
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and finding out that
this stranger who you met once
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wasn't paying her rent.
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- You were speaking-- and you knew that
- Right.
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she had fallen on difficult times.
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- And?
- I did.
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Um, I didn't...
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Don't go up here. Right here.
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I didn't know that she
wasn't going to pay rent on time.
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- No, j-just a second.
- On-- on--
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You didn't know what?
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{\an8}On the second was when I found out
that the rent hadn't been paid.
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- {\an8}-
- I knew--
- On the 2nd of January.
240
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- {\an8}-
- The 2nd of January.
- Just look at me.
241
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Mm-hmm.
242
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On the 2nd of January,
you found out the rent hadn't been paid.
243
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What did you do?
244
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So I called Nadine to ask about it,
245
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{\an8}and you told me that she didn't
have the money,
246
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{\an8}and so I said,
247
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"Okay, I have these extra funds
248
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because I--" at the time,
was also unemployed.
249
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Um, I had been taking payments.
250
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Apologies.
251
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Um, unemployment payments
and then the COVID payments.
252
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And what?!
253
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The extra payments for COVID
on top of unemployment.
254
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Because this was 2020.
255
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Welcome to Inflation 101.
256
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Right. So all of my payments
257
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had been late and
had come in a lump sum.
258
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So that is why I had--
259
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Okay. So your unemployment
and your COVID funds...
260
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- Yes.
- came in in one lump sum.
261
00:10:42,066 --> 00:10:44,834
- Correct.
- And I want you to think very carefully.
262
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- Mm-hmm.
- And you're living where, sir?
263
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- Seattle.
- Sea-- With whom?
264
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Um, at the time,
uh, I was seeking a roommate.
265
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No. Where were you living?
266
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So I was living in Seattle.
267
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In Seattle with whom?
268
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- No one.
- By yourself.
269
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{\an8}Yes. Uh...
270
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{\an8}Technically, someone was paying rent
271
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{\an8}because they had moved out.
272
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{\an8}No d--
You're looking up at the sky.
273
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Sorry.
274
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Don't look up at the sky.
275
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So somebody had moved out
of their apartment,
276
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- Yeah.
- Which had been prepaid in rent.
277
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- Yes.
- So you were living there rent free?
278
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No, no, no. This was my apartment
that I'd lived in for three years.
279
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And someone else
had moved in and then moved out.
280
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And w-- they broke the lease. Not me.
281
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They broke the lease,
but they paid the rent.
282
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Correct. They-- they paid their half.
283
00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:31,867
I was still paying my half of rent.
284
00:11:31,934 --> 00:11:34,533
I never defaulted on my
rental payments in Seattle, ever.
285
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- And they were still paying theirs?
- Yes.
286
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So we were both each paying our respective
parts of the rent
287
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And I was paying rent in Utah.
288
00:11:42,166 --> 00:11:44,900
And you were paying rent
where the defendant was living.
289
00:11:44,967 --> 00:11:46,066
- Mm-hmm.
- Okay.
290
00:11:46,133 --> 00:11:48,400
So I want you to think very carefully.
291
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- When you got your unemployment
- Mm-hmm.
292
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and your extra COVID money in a lump sum,
293
00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:55,700
- Mm-hmm.
- how much did you get?
294
00:11:56,433 --> 00:11:58,266
- What I--
- No, no, don't look over there.
295
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You know exactly how much you got.
296
00:12:01,033 --> 00:12:02,433
- Yeah.
- You don't have to think about it.
297
00:12:02,500 --> 00:12:04,633
- Just give me a number.
- $10,000.
298
00:12:04,700 --> 00:12:06,533
Well, that should
last you for a little bit.
299
00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:08,667
And you've got $10,000 on what date?
300
00:12:08,734 --> 00:12:10,066
I don't remember.
301
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- Month.
- It would have been in November.
302
00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,533
- Okay, so now she's run out of funds,
- Mm-hmm.
303
00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,300
And you say to her, "I can..." Go ahead.
304
00:12:18,367 --> 00:12:22,934
{\an8}By the time we get to January,
I do not have $10,000.
305
00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:27,000
I have much less
because of other circumstances.
306
00:12:27,066 --> 00:12:28,000
Like what?
307
00:12:28,066 --> 00:12:33,200
Like needing to purchase a car
for the girlfriend that I stayed in town--
308
00:12:33,266 --> 00:12:34,633
- "A car"?
- Yes.
309
00:12:34,700 --> 00:12:37,667
- And what else?
- Rental payments. That's it. Nothing--
310
00:12:37,734 --> 00:12:39,400
You bought your girlfriend a car?
311
00:12:39,467 --> 00:12:42,967
I did. Her car that she had was a beater.
312
00:12:43,033 --> 00:12:45,266
- Um, and it wasn't safe.
- I don't care. I don't care.
313
00:12:45,333 --> 00:12:46,500
Uh, what about your car?
314
00:12:46,567 --> 00:12:49,900
I did pur-- like, use it down--
- - I--
- I--
- I--
315
00:12:49,967 --> 00:12:51,667
I furnished the down payment for the car.
316
00:12:51,734 --> 00:12:53,800
Okay, so you bought two cars?
317
00:12:53,867 --> 00:12:56,100
No, just one. I-- I-- Uh...
318
00:12:56,166 --> 00:12:57,133
- - "I--I--I--I--
- I--
- I"
319
00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:58,967
I personally didn't have
a vehicle at the time.
320
00:12:59,033 --> 00:13:00,934
Oh, you know, I'm not believing you, sir.
321
00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,266
I'm really not buying this whole story.
322
00:13:03,333 --> 00:13:05,633
You're living by yourself with a roommate.
323
00:13:05,700 --> 00:13:08,867
The roommate moves out.
Your girlfriend had a terrible car.
324
00:13:08,934 --> 00:13:10,300
You don't live with the girlfriend.
325
00:13:10,367 --> 00:13:12,433
- I don't-- but the girlfriend was--
- But you bought her a car.
326
00:13:12,500 --> 00:13:14,800
You didn't have a car,
but you bought her a car.
327
00:13:14,867 --> 00:13:18,000
I had-- If we need to
back it-- back it up,
328
00:13:18,066 --> 00:13:22,200
I had given up my car
in a, um, bankruptcy
329
00:13:22,266 --> 00:13:24,467
earlier in the year because of--
330
00:13:24,533 --> 00:13:25,767
And whose bankruptcy?
331
00:13:25,834 --> 00:13:27,100
- My bankruptcy.
- Your bankruptcy.
332
00:13:27,166 --> 00:13:29,667
- That is why I didn't have a car.
- It's getting better all the time.
333
00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,200
- Okie-dokie. Okie-dokie...
- It was an interesting year.
334
00:13:32,266 --> 00:13:33,600
That doesn't mean
you don't owe him money.
335
00:13:33,667 --> 00:13:36,500
It just means I have to know
the characters that I'm dealing with.
336
00:13:36,567 --> 00:13:37,800
- I understand, Your Honor.
- Okay.
337
00:13:41,033 --> 00:13:44,000
While you were going to the program,
which you said it was in person,
338
00:13:44,066 --> 00:13:44,934
Mm-hmm.
339
00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,133
Were you getting any government assistance
340
00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,000
that was connected to this trade school?
341
00:13:50,066 --> 00:13:50,934
I...
342
00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,100
- - "I--I--I--I--
- I--
- I--I..."
343
00:13:53,166 --> 00:13:55,266
That's either a yes or a no.
344
00:14:06,900 --> 00:14:11,266
{\an8}Emmett Moss has accused
his former friend Nadine Drury
345
00:14:11,333 --> 00:14:13,333
{\an8}of refusing to pay back loans.
346
00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:17,867
Nadine claims she was used
by Emmett to scam the government.
347
00:14:17,934 --> 00:14:21,467
So now you've got much
less money from the $10,000.
348
00:14:21,533 --> 00:14:23,934
You bought your girlfriend a car,
you had to pay her rent.
349
00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:25,300
- You paid your own rent,
- Mm-hmm.
350
00:14:25,367 --> 00:14:28,266
you had other things
from bankruptcies that you had before.
351
00:14:28,333 --> 00:14:31,100
So you have a little bit
of money left in the bank?
352
00:14:31,166 --> 00:14:32,600
- Yes.
- Go ahead.
353
00:14:32,667 --> 00:14:35,667
- So, I... That evening--
- Don't look over there. Right here.
354
00:14:35,734 --> 00:14:37,700
- Now look right here.
- That evening of the second,
355
00:14:37,767 --> 00:14:42,300
I paid Nadine a total of $710.
356
00:14:42,367 --> 00:14:47,533
Um, enough to cover the rent of
$585, any fees it would cost her to go
357
00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:49,700
and withdraw that money from the bank.
358
00:14:49,767 --> 00:14:52,266
And she also asked for
extra money for groceries.
359
00:14:52,333 --> 00:14:55,934
Just a second. You acknowledge
a $3,000 amount of money
360
00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,000
that he gave you, am I right?
361
00:14:58,066 --> 00:14:58,967
- Yes.
- Yes.
362
00:14:59,033 --> 00:15:01,333
{\an8}You say that that's correct.
- That includes the money
363
00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,800
{\an8}that he's saying that he spent on rent
that he gave me for rent.
364
00:15:04,867 --> 00:15:08,333
And he's also asking for his deposit
365
00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:09,734
- I didn't ask for my deposit.
- that he had-- the deposit
366
00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:10,900
- Right.
- for the apartment back.
367
00:15:10,967 --> 00:15:11,834
Okay, well, he's entitled.
368
00:15:11,900 --> 00:15:14,767
There you have a new roommate who
I'm sure you got a deposit from.
369
00:15:14,834 --> 00:15:16,834
- She chose to not... collect a deposit
- And if you didn't--
370
00:15:16,900 --> 00:15:17,967
- What?
- from that roommate.
371
00:15:18,033 --> 00:15:19,000
- Well, that's her problem,
- I agree.
372
00:15:19,066 --> 00:15:20,333
because she's
going to get the deposit back.
373
00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,300
- Yeah.
- Okay, so that's reasonable.
374
00:15:22,367 --> 00:15:24,000
She's going to get the
deposit back when she leaves.
375
00:15:24,066 --> 00:15:25,433
And if you leave-- if you leave the place
376
00:15:25,500 --> 00:15:27,033
in good condition,
he was never living there,
377
00:15:27,100 --> 00:15:30,367
so if you don't leave it in
good condition, then it's on you.
378
00:15:30,433 --> 00:15:35,133
I want to know about this
video that she wants me to look at,
379
00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,033
- Okay.
- where you tell us some sort of a scheme
380
00:15:38,100 --> 00:15:40,400
you have to get
more money from the government.
381
00:15:40,467 --> 00:15:41,367
It wasn't a scheme.
382
00:15:41,433 --> 00:15:43,200
Why don't you tell me about it?
383
00:15:43,266 --> 00:15:47,266
So far we've got $10,000 that was
supposed to last you for six months,
384
00:15:47,333 --> 00:15:49,467
and you blew it on
a car for your girlfriend.
385
00:15:49,533 --> 00:15:52,800
- And so, you may not call it a scheme.
- Mm-hmm.
386
00:15:52,867 --> 00:15:57,633
I want you to tell me why you
had to have a zero bank account.
387
00:15:57,700 --> 00:15:59,166
- I didn't have zero bank account.
- Not--
388
00:15:59,233 --> 00:16:02,433
- A more limited access to money.
- Mm-hmm.
389
00:16:02,500 --> 00:16:04,600
What were you applying for, sir?
390
00:16:04,667 --> 00:16:07,667
- So...
- Not so up here. So here.
391
00:16:07,734 --> 00:16:13,333
{\an8}Okay. I was applying for a
program to, um, go into the trades.
392
00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,433
So it was like a work study program,
393
00:16:15,500 --> 00:16:18,133
uh, like electrician, plumber,
that sort of thing.
394
00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:23,166
And again, I didn't have a job,
and unemployment had completely stopped.
395
00:16:23,233 --> 00:16:24,166
And as far as--
396
00:16:24,233 --> 00:16:26,133
How many years
did you collect unemployment?
397
00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:27,734
It was less than one year.
398
00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:29,100
How many years had you worked?
399
00:16:29,166 --> 00:16:30,834
- How many years have I worked?
- Yeah.
400
00:16:30,900 --> 00:16:32,367
Uh, I've been working since I was 16.
401
00:16:32,433 --> 00:16:33,800
So I've been 14--
402
00:16:33,867 --> 00:16:35,600
Well, I'm surprised
the unemployment totally ran out
403
00:16:35,667 --> 00:16:37,433
because they kept extending unemployment.
404
00:16:37,500 --> 00:16:39,266
People were unemployment
for years during COVID.
405
00:16:39,333 --> 00:16:44,100
When they cut me off December of 2020,
they did not re establish my claim.
406
00:16:44,166 --> 00:16:46,500
- I--
- I kept applying, and it was denied.
407
00:16:46,567 --> 00:16:48,734
So I don't know why, but it was.
408
00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:50,100
What kind of work do you do now?
409
00:16:50,166 --> 00:16:51,834
I work for customer service.
410
00:16:51,900 --> 00:16:56,266
Okay. And the trade school that you wanted
to go to was to prepare you for what?
411
00:16:56,333 --> 00:16:58,967
To be an electrician
was what I wanted to do.
412
00:16:59,033 --> 00:17:00,333
- An electrician?
- Yes.
413
00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,166
And was this an online program?
414
00:17:02,233 --> 00:17:03,800
No, this was in person.
415
00:17:03,867 --> 00:17:05,934
- Where?
- Um, it was in Seattle.
416
00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,400
And how much did
they give you to go to that program?
417
00:17:08,467 --> 00:17:10,967
They didn't give
me money to go to the program,
418
00:17:11,033 --> 00:17:12,834
but the program was free of charge.
419
00:17:12,900 --> 00:17:15,367
Okay, so the government paid the tuition.
420
00:17:15,433 --> 00:17:16,500
Uh, I believe that it--
421
00:17:16,567 --> 00:17:17,967
Well, somebody
pays the tuition, sir.
422
00:17:18,033 --> 00:17:19,500
- Yeah. Yeah.
- The government pays the tuition.
423
00:17:19,567 --> 00:17:20,433
Mm-hmm.
424
00:17:20,500 --> 00:17:24,467
And while you were going to the program,
which you said it was in person,
425
00:17:24,533 --> 00:17:26,600
- Mm-hmm.
- How are you supporting yourself?
426
00:17:26,667 --> 00:17:28,367
- So...
- Were you getting
427
00:17:28,433 --> 00:17:32,967
any government assistance that was
connected to this trade school?
428
00:17:33,033 --> 00:17:34,033
I...
429
00:17:34,100 --> 00:17:36,166
- - "I--I--I--
- I--
- I--"
430
00:17:36,233 --> 00:17:37,934
That's either a yes or a no.
431
00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:39,000
- Yes.
- Yes.
432
00:17:39,066 --> 00:17:40,600
I applied for food stamps
and got food stamps.
433
00:17:40,667 --> 00:17:41,567
That is what I got.
434
00:17:41,667 --> 00:17:46,300
So you applied for some sort of assistance
while you were going
435
00:17:46,367 --> 00:17:47,867
- to this trade school,
- Correct.
436
00:17:47,934 --> 00:17:49,567
which you're not practicing now,
437
00:17:49,633 --> 00:17:51,166
and you're not an electrician.
438
00:17:51,233 --> 00:17:52,100
That is correct.
439
00:17:52,166 --> 00:17:54,367
And in order to apply for food stamps,
440
00:17:54,433 --> 00:17:56,700
you have to have a certain amount of money
441
00:17:56,767 --> 00:17:58,967
is the maximum you can have in your bank?
442
00:17:59,033 --> 00:17:59,967
That is correct.
443
00:18:00,100 --> 00:18:02,266
Okay, so that's the fraud
you're talking about.
444
00:18:02,333 --> 00:18:03,834
That's why he gave you the money?
445
00:18:03,900 --> 00:18:05,433
- Yes, ma'am.
- Okay.
446
00:18:05,500 --> 00:18:06,967
- I mean--
- Just-- just a second.
447
00:18:07,033 --> 00:18:09,066
I also gave her the money because
448
00:18:09,133 --> 00:18:11,667
she was going to need
the-- the money for rent.
449
00:18:11,734 --> 00:18:15,033
Like, it was one of those
situations where it was mutually
450
00:18:15,100 --> 00:18:17,300
beneficial for me to give
her the money, but it wasn't--
451
00:18:17,367 --> 00:18:20,166
You're looking up at the sky.
I understand what happened.
452
00:18:20,233 --> 00:18:21,333
So, I...
453
00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,367
I wasn't going to have
any way to support myself.
454
00:18:23,433 --> 00:18:25,166
I needed something to...
455
00:18:25,233 --> 00:18:29,600
The-- the $2,000 was going to
cover the rent for my place,
456
00:18:29,667 --> 00:18:33,166
and my place in Seattle
and my place in Utah,
457
00:18:33,233 --> 00:18:34,567
and then I wasn't going to have anything.
458
00:18:34,633 --> 00:18:39,100
I understand that it became
mutually beneficial for you to advance her
459
00:18:39,166 --> 00:18:40,967
- the money so that your bank account
- Yes.
460
00:18:41,033 --> 00:18:43,767
would have lessen it
so that you could receive assistance
461
00:18:43,834 --> 00:18:47,633
and also get free tuition
at a trade school that you didn't use.
462
00:18:47,700 --> 00:18:48,967
My intention was to use it,
463
00:18:49,033 --> 00:18:50,333
and that changed my decision later.
That's...
464
00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,467
Do you think the trade school
465
00:18:52,533 --> 00:18:54,533
charged the government
once you enrolled in it?
466
00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:55,633
Yes.
467
00:18:55,700 --> 00:18:57,467
Yes, of course, they did.
468
00:18:57,533 --> 00:18:59,900
And do you know how much the
tuition was in the trade school?
469
00:18:59,967 --> 00:19:01,500
Yes. You have to know.
470
00:19:01,567 --> 00:19:03,767
No, it was free to you,
but it wasn't free to the government.
471
00:19:03,834 --> 00:19:05,800
- The government pays--
- Right, yeah. $1500
472
00:19:05,867 --> 00:19:07,467
- was what I was made to understand.
- Fif--
473
00:19:07,533 --> 00:19:08,400
Baloney.
474
00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,467
You people really somehow
deserve each other,
475
00:19:11,533 --> 00:19:13,800
but you owe him $3,000, madam.
476
00:19:13,867 --> 00:19:15,133
Judgment for the plaintiff. We're done.
477
00:19:15,667 --> 00:19:17,233
This court is adjourned.
478
00:19:17,300 --> 00:19:19,800
{\an8}I'm a little bit, uh...
479
00:19:20,233 --> 00:19:23,300
{\an8}shocked to be made
out as a government scammer.
480
00:19:23,367 --> 00:19:26,567
{\an8}I mean, I lost my job,
and I wasn't able and he bailed
481
00:19:26,633 --> 00:19:28,500
{\an8}on the-- the lease that he signed.
482
00:19:28,567 --> 00:19:31,867
{\an8}Because that wasn't, uh,
ever my intentions.
483
00:19:31,934 --> 00:19:33,900
{\an8}I mean, I was alone. I had lost my job.
484
00:19:33,967 --> 00:19:35,533
{\an8}I just didn't have any support.
485
00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,800
{\an8}Definitely careful about
getting, uh, money from the government.
486
00:19:38,867 --> 00:19:40,066
{\an8}Just glad it's done.
487
00:19:40,133 --> 00:19:42,333
{\an8}Glad I don't ever have to see him again.
488
00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,233
{\an8}I haven't had to
do that since this whole situation,
489
00:19:45,300 --> 00:19:47,033
{\an8}and I intend to keep it that way.
490
00:19:48,300 --> 00:19:49,500
You know, it's so unfortunate
491
00:19:49,567 --> 00:19:52,567
because the plaintiff
looked like an intelligent-enough man,
492
00:19:52,633 --> 00:19:57,700
able bodied, seemingly,
and he spent a lot of time, effort,
493
00:19:57,767 --> 00:20:01,133
brain power, into bankruptcy proceedings,
494
00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,967
trade schools that would be
paid for by the government.
495
00:20:04,033 --> 00:20:07,934
Applying for food stamps, knowing
what the threshold for food stamps is,
496
00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,133
so that he had to get rid
of a certain amount of money.
497
00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,433
That seems like a lot of time
and effort that could have been
498
00:20:13,500 --> 00:20:14,834
better spent gaining
499
00:20:14,900 --> 00:20:16,266
- legitimate employment
- Skills.
500
00:20:16,333 --> 00:20:19,033
or skills at a trade school legitimately.
501
00:20:19,100 --> 00:20:22,300
And it's just unfortunate that
some people decide to take the path
502
00:20:22,367 --> 00:20:26,200
that I view is more difficult in
searching for ways to get free money.
503
00:20:26,266 --> 00:20:28,233
- Really unsatisfying.
- Yeah.
504
00:20:28,300 --> 00:20:30,166
If you think about it, unsatisfying.
505
00:20:30,233 --> 00:20:32,266
Maybe going forward,
he'll take a different path.
506
00:20:32,333 --> 00:20:33,533
Maybe. I doubt it.
507
00:20:35,133 --> 00:20:36,800
Want justice?
508
00:20:36,867 --> 00:20:38,700
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