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RON: There's never been
an inquiry of this scale

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in the annals of police history.

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He must speak with a Geordie accent.

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Anybody not meeting
these five points, they're gone.

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Mr Peter Sutcliffe?

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DAVID: I do not think
the man on the tape is the Ripper.

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You've made that clear.
I want that on record.

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But you're wrong.
This is starting to affect

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the public's confidence in
the police as a whole, nationally.

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RON: The most wanted man
of the century,

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more resources than anyone ever,
and you have failed.

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I want to ask everyone

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to please help us find the person
who killed my daughter.

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He won't be back in a hurry.

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MEG: No.
But he'll turn up somewhere.

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HE SIGHS

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SUTCLIFFE: It's quiet enough here,
isn't it?

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WOMAN: Yeah, it's fine.

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Come here all the time.

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We won't be disturbed.

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You got a tenner for me?

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Why don't we get in t'back?

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CAR APPROACHES

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Oh, no.

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Erm...

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You're my girlfriend.

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Is this your car, sir?

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Yes.

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Can you give me your name
and address?

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I am John Williams.
65 Dorchester Road, Rotherham.

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And who's she?

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My girlfriend.

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And what's her name?

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I don't know. We've not known
each other that long.

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Right.

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Just stay there.

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OFFICER: Just take the keys
out of your car.

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2-5-6 to Control.

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RADIO: 'Control speaking.'

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Number plate check, please.

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'Roger that. Go ahead.'

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Yeah, it's foxtrot, echo, hotel,
9-0-7, Juliet.

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Over.

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'That's coming up
as a Skoda saloon.

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'Owner is a Mr Aslam Khan. Over.'

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POLICE CAR DOOR
CLOSES

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APPROACHING FOOTSTEPS

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Right, so, the number plates
on your vehicle

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don't match that of the car itself.

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So what's gonna happen now is
I'm gonna arrest you both

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on suspicion of theft.

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And if this turns out
to be soliciting as well...

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Well, we'll get into that
back at the station.

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OK?

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Right, out you get.

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We'll leave your car.

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You heard him. Let's go.
Come on. Chop-chop.

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Come on.

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Yeah, stick them in the back.

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Where do you think you're going?
I need a piss.

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Well, quickly, then.
Do it over there.

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You've been in before, Olivia,
haven't you?

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For prostitution.

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And that's what you were doing
this evening when we picked you up.

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The fines get worse the more
you deny it. You know they do.

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You've got two kids at home -
it says so on here.

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So the more you sit there
not saying owt,

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the more the food's coming off
their table.

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Doesn't it?

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Doesn't it?

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Start by saying your name.

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You know my name.

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Nice and clearly, so PC Small here
can write it down.

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"My name is Olivia Reivers." Go on.

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My name is Olivia Reivers.

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"I am a prostitute."

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I'm a prostitute.

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"And I am guilty, yet again guilty,
of picking up a punter,

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"this time on the evening
of January 2nd 1981."

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Go on, you tell the story.

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Got picked up this evening.
For sex. Go on.

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For sex.

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£10.

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Got in his car, parked up.

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But that were it.

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Then that's when you came along.

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Right.

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Thank you.

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Right, if you just sign here,
I'll let you go.

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You'll get a court date through.
It'll likely mean another fine.

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More severe this time

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because it's repeat offences,
you see.

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This is just what happens
when you can't leave it alone.

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What about this bloke
who picked you up?

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His car number plates
weren't registered in his name.

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What's that got to do with me?

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Well, you've never met him,
or he's not a regular, or...?

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I've no idea who he is.

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He's just some...

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..just some ordinary guy.

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Mm.

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You've given your name
as John Williams

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of Canklow, Rotherham.

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There is no John Williams
of Canklow, Rotherham.

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So, come on. What's your real name?

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Sutcliffe. Peter William Sutcliffe.

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From?
Garden Lane, Heaton.

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Bradford?

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Aye.

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Now, is that your real name
and address, or are those more lies?

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No, no. You can check that.

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So why lie the first time, Peter?

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I said a fake name
because I panicked.

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I regret that now.
I should never have done it.

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Those plates on your car,
they don't belong to you, do they?

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You stole them. Why?

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Didn't want people seeing you
in red light areas.

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It's not against the law
to go in t'red light area.

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We're not saying it is.
It's whores who are criminals.

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We're not saying otherwise.

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We're asking why you'd be
driving about with stolen plates.

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So you're admitting
that you stole them, then?

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So, you've got that now?

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Sorry?

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I've admitted that,
so you can charge me and let me go.

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Well, what's the big hurry, Peter?

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I just wanna get back. That's all.

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To Bradford?

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Yeah, to Bradford, aye.

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A lot of this Ripper business,

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that's been up Bradford way,
hasn't it?

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Leach.

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Was that her name?

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The student. She were Bradford.

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You ever been questioned
about the Ripper, Peter?

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What's so funny about that?

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Look at me.

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Have you been questioned or not?

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Everybody has.

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This one, is it?
It's that one there.

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Right.

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DC Nunn.

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Where?

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Well, I doubt it.
He's never done Sheffield.

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What accent's he got?

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At one in t'morning?
You've no chance.

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No, there's nobody else here,

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and if there were, they'd tell you
the same bloody thing.

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Well, bail him, then.

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Leeds won't send anyone.
They're saying it's too late.

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So they're happy to bail him?

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Well, we can't keep him overnight,
Des. Not on stolen plates.

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Especially if he's admitted it.

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Well, that wouldn't be the reason
we're holding him.

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That'd be the excuse.

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We should follow their advice.

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Bob's right, sir.

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If Leeds aren't bothered,
why should we be?

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Because we're here,
and we can feel it.

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We can feel
that something ain't right.

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SCRAPING

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I thought you were off home.

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Is it just me
or is the car parked wrong?

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Punters usually park
pointing away from the road

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to stop people seeing in
when they're doing the business.

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He were facing out. Do you remember?

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Like he wanted a quick getaway.
Maybe.

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Or he weren't wanting sex.

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So if he weren't wanting sex,
what were he gonna do?

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But what with?
Sorry?

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Well... if he's t'Ripper,
he'd have had weapons on him,

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a hammer and...

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But we searched him,
searched his car. He never had owt.

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Bob.

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PHONE RINGS

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Yeah, that's fine.

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OK, yep, checking for you now.

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Thanks. Bye.

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PHONES RINGING

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RINGING CONTINUES

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Ford Corsair.

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Look.

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God, Sue.

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I'll get the others.

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Morning.
Morning.

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CLAMOURING

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Sue?

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Sue.

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What's happening?

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Have they... Have they got him?

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Think so.

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Right, so, they've kept him in,
this fella, overnight.

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So, what they're saying is
one of the coppers went back,

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had a look down by the side
of these bins, you know,

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where they've nicked him,
and that's where they've found it.

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Found what?

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Hammer and knife. Kitchen knife,
same as he used on Rytka.

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Fucking 'ell.
Phone Sheffield.

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Tell 'em
I want that scene sterile.

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No more coppers tramping about
and toing and froing.

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Well, no, look - to be fair,
they did find the weapons.

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There's nothing to link the weapons
to him, is there?

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not unless there's prints.
Are there prints?

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Well, I mean, we've gotta wait.
So where is he now?

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Well, they're bringing him
to West Yorkshire

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so we can take over.

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All right.
And these are his details?

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Yeah.

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Get me George Oldfield.

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Now, come on, what is it?

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Hm? This is everything
we've worked towards.

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This is him.

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PHONE RINGS

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Grange Moor.

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George. Yeah...
they think they've got him.

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'His name's Peter Sutcliffe.
Lorry driver.'

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'They're getting him back
to West Yorkshire as we speak.'

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We've been here before, Dick.
'Yeah, I know.'

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You have to be absolutely sure.

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'Agreed, but I'll get on it.'

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LINE DISCONNECTS

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Mrs Peter Sutcliffe?

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Can we have a word?

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Mrs Sutcliffe,
your husband is in police custody.

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He was brought in last night
in Sheffield,

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being transferred as we speak.

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TV NEWS PLAYS

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OK, listen love.

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I've got half the detectives
in the north of England

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saying that your Peter
is The Yorkshire Ripper -

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minds made up.

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So if there's anything you wanna
tell me that might dissuade them

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from that opinion, anything at all,
this is the time to say it.

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Do you mind if we ask
a few questions?

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FAINT: Just some specifics.

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Would that be all right, Sonia?

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Do you mind if I call you Sonia?

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Sonia, I have a list of dates,

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so if you can think of any way
to demonstrate...

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He would've been at work.

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Sorry?
Or he was with me.

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But Mrs Sutcliffe,
I haven't asked you the dates yet.

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TV PLAYS

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30th of the 10th, 1975.
Now, we know that's five years ago.

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It's vitally important that we know
the whereabouts of Peter.

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FAINT: Sonia, this is really...
John.

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There's one missing.

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I'll call Millgarth.

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His name's in nominal three times,

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his car's in vehicle
multiple times,

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and he's listed
in triple-area sightings...

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We did our bit, you know?

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If it's him, then everything were
logged and in the right places.

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It's all we could do.

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But if we did that,
then they must've been out.

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They must've interviewed him
already. They must've done.

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They did.... more than once.

258
00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,159
MAN: Far too many people
stood around doing nothing

259
00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,519
when there's plenty of work
to be done.

260
00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:15,800
So get on with it now!

261
00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,079
Have they asked you back in?
No, but they will do.

262
00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:27,080
They won't want me sitting round
here doing bugger all, will they?

263
00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,880
Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

264
00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,280
I will call you.

265
00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:49,479
CAR HORN BEEPS

266
00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,480
CLAMOURING,
SHOUTING

267
00:19:57,800 --> 00:19:59,240
HORN BLARES
Move!

268
00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:22,600
EXHALES DEEPLY

269
00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,200
The press are outside already.

270
00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:37,800
I'm speaking to them shortly.

271
00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,119
Yeah, I was just saying that
he's coughed up, he's confessed...

272
00:20:42,120 --> 00:20:45,079
about ten minutes ago.
He's admitted everything.

273
00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,519
He's admitted McCann,
Jackson, Richardson.

274
00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,560
He's even admitted to doing
another one after Barbara Leach.

275
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,519
Now, apparently, he said that
he were hoping to get bail.

276
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:59,279
He said he were gonna get a cab
to Sheffield, pick up them weapons,

277
00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,359
then he'd be in the clear.

278
00:21:01,360 --> 00:21:04,639
He... He said all that? What,
just to two bobbies in Sheffield?

279
00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,280
Well, he wants it all off his chest.

280
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,679
He said things about the Hill murder
that only the killer could know.

281
00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:14,360
He said things...
well, that nobody ever should know.

282
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:16,640
Well, let's have it.

283
00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:19,559
Is he a Geordie?

284
00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,079
He's from Bradford.

285
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,319
But his voice, Jim.

286
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,479
Does he sound like a Geordie?

287
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,280
He sounds like he's from Bradford.

288
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,800
Hello.
Afternoon. All right.

289
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:57,920
George.

290
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,879
We have, this afternoon,
in this very building,

291
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,960
detained a man
on several counts of murder.

292
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:19,120
We are questioning him
in relation to The Ripper murders.

293
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:24,759
It is expected that he will appear
before the court tomorrow.

294
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,919
JOURNALIST: Is it fair to say, then,

295
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,239
that the hunt for The Ripper
is over?

296
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:30,319
'That's right.'

297
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,599
'So, have you got
any information on the man?'

298
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,119
'Not at this stage.'

299
00:22:34,120 --> 00:22:36,479
JOURNALIST: 'Can you tell us
if he's got a Geordie accent?'

300
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,039
'I cannot tell you that
because I've not heard him speak.'

301
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:41,679
'Can you give us any details
at all?'

302
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,039
I can tell you that we are

303
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:48,160
absolutely delighted
with developments at this stage.

304
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,279
'Absolutely delighted.'

305
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,520
MAN: 'Now, please, gents.
Smile for the camera.'

306
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,599
'Really delighted.'

307
00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,279
'Give us a smile, George!'

308
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:00,759
THEY LAUGH

309
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,519
And George is delighted, as well.

310
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,000
Are you delighted, George?

311
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,280
Give us a smile, George!

312
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,159
Absolutely delighted.

313
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:12,800
LAUGHTER

314
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,079
JOURNALIST:
'The time is twenty past six.

315
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:37,639
'The headlines again.

316
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,799
'Peter Sutcliffe, the man who became
known as The Yorkshire Ripper,

317
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,199
'was today sentenced
at the Old Bailey

318
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,719
'to life imprisonment
for the murder of 13 women.

319
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,439
'A lorry driver from Bradford,

320
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,879
'Sutcliffe was a man
so unremarkable

321
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,479
'that for five years, he was able
to elude the biggest manhunt

322
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:55,999
'in criminal history.

323
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,159
'During that time, he roamed freely
across the north of England,

324
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,719
'attacking and murdering
women indiscriminately.

325
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,599
'The judge, Mr Justice Boreham,

326
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,640
'described Sutcliffe
as an unusually dangerous...'

327
00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:15,120
DISTANT CHATTER

328
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,720
KNOCK AT DOOR

329
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,280
You've seen it all?
That he admitted to it?

330
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:38,520
Attacking you.

331
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,799
So, now the trial's finished,
I was thinking we could get started.

332
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,520
We can get that compensation.

333
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,439
They've said it's gonna be
another couple of minutes

334
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,999
before they come live to us
here in the studio.

335
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,199
A make-up woman's coming.

336
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,640
Why would I need make up
for a programme like this?

337
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,839
PRESENTER: 'Let's see this opening.
Erm, "Trial of the century..." '

338
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,120
I'll make us a tea.

339
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,999
"Crime of the century"
or "Trial of the century", Tony?

340
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,759
I think I can say both, don't you?

341
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,399
TONY: Yeah, sure.
Shall we try that?

342
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,359
You happy? Yeah, I think
it might be a bit stronger.

343
00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:42,160
Yeah, trial and crime.
Can you put that on the, erm...

344
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,999
Put that on the autocue,
and I'll see what that sounds like.

345
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,240
MAN: Going live in five.
Great, thank you.

346
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,599
The crime and the trial
of the century is over.

347
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,079
The Yorkshire Ripper
has been given a life sentence,

348
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,479
and a five-year manhunt is finished.

349
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,559
Yep, I think that's...
Yeah, I think that's better.

350
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,200
We'll go for that. It's stronger.

351
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:04,959
'Er, it's a stronger opening.'

352
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,719
BELL RINGS

353
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,639
Don't be nervous, now.

354
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,679
Just remember to say
the things we spoke about.

355
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,120
We've been through them
a thousand times.

356
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,319
The crime and trial of the century
is over.

357
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,799
The Yorkshire Ripper
has been given a life sentence,

358
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,319
and a five-year manhunt is finished.

359
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,319
But the questions
raised by that manhunt remain.

360
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,959
How efficient was the hunt
for The Yorkshire Ripper?

361
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,639
Ronald Gregory is the chief
constable of West Yorkshire Police.

362
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,279
Irene MacDonald is the mother
of Jayne MacDonald,

363
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,839
murdered by The Ripper in 1977.

364
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,719
And she very bravely has agreed to
join us tonight in our Leeds studio.

365
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,399
Ken Dwyer is a journalist who's been
following the investigation

366
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,599
from the very beginning,
and his book on the case

367
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,919
is now being rushed into print.

368
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,399
Another parent, Mrs Doreen Hill,
is the mother of Jacqueline,

369
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:11,919
The Ripper's last victim.

370
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,159
She understandably cannot face
the prospect of visiting Leeds

371
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:16,479
after what has happened,

372
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,039
and so joins us
from one of our London studios.

373
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:20,599
Chief Constable,

374
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,199
was any wild goose chase
more wild

375
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,999
than that which led the police
to concentrate all its attention

376
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,319
on the voice recording?

377
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,599
And the fact that
you instructed your men

378
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,759
to discount anyone
who didn't have a Geordie accent.

379
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:32,799
That's not...

380
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,759
Thus allowing The Ripper,
who didn't have a Geordie accent,

381
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,680
to go free for that much longer.

382
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,559
'No, that's not true. You see,
that's a miss-statement immediately.

383
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,479
'We did not reject anyone
who did not have a Geordie accent.

384
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,959
'The decision on the tape was taken
after very careful consideration

385
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,999
'because the senior investigating
officers were in a dilemma.

386
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,399
'Had they chosen
not to reveal the tape,

387
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,519
'they may have faced
much worse criticism.

388
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,799
'So when they did reveal it,
they had to be positive.'

389
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,439
"They."

390
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,599
But at no time was that
the only point of elimination.

391
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,319
But you were eliminating people
who didn't have a Wearside accent.

392
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,120
No, not solely on that.

393
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,639
Mrs Hill,
do you now feel able to say,

394
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,440
"It's over,
I have no more recriminations?"

395
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,759
'There are aspects
that I'm not happy about.

396
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,639
'The handbag was found
on the Monday evening.'

397
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,799
But no-one bothered
to look for its owner.

398
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,519
When the detectives
went to Jacqueline's body,

399
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,559
they knew nothing at all
about that handbag.

400
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,000
Could Mr Gregory clarify that?

401
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:41,680
'Mr Gregory?'

402
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,319
'I can't remember exactly.

403
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,879
'I know the handbag had been found.

404
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,359
'But I cannot say with any accuracy

405
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,240
'whether the detectives
knew about it at the time.'

406
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,079
'Mrs Hill,
would you welcome an inquiry

407
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,359
'into the way the police
conducted the investigation?'

408
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,759
Yes, I would.

409
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,399
If there's going to be an inquiry,
can I see the report?

410
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,840
Would Mrs Hill be entitled
to see that report?

411
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:16,079
If Mrs Hill is dissatisfied with
any aspect of the investigation,

412
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,679
if she'd like to come
and see us at any time,

413
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,119
we could explain to her
exactly what happened.

414
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,599
Can I ask a simple question?
No doubt you'll tell me I'm wrong.

415
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,799
But could you not
have done that earlier?

416
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,159
Sent for Mrs Hill
and Mrs MacDonald here

417
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,880
and invited them in
and set their minds at rest?

418
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,599
Well, I don't know what they want
to be reassured about.

419
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,199
'This is the first
I've heard of it.'

420
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:41,799
'Really, Chief Constable?

421
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,159
'You see no error

422
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,159
'in the five-and-a-half-years
investigation?'

423
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,919
'Oh, there may have been errors.
We are not infallible.

424
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,359
'But you are not informed
of what the police did.'

425
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,599
I am informed
about what you didn't do,

426
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,119
and that's catch Peter Sutcliffe.

427
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,879
Oh, I'm aware of that.
That's pretty obvious.

428
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,439
Though I'm glad that you welcome
a public inquiry.

429
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:02,879
No, I didn't say that.

430
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,079
I would not resent an inquiry,

431
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:09,239
but who did the inquiry and how it
was conducted would be important.

432
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,359
'You see, the public
and so many commentators

433
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:13,599
'have criticised the police

434
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,879
'when they have not been privy
to all that the police have done.

435
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,400
'Until they are, they should
reserve judgement and criticism.'

436
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:25,639
Well, we are grateful to everyone

437
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,399
who's taken part
in tonight's discussion,

438
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,999
but we're particularly mindful
of the courage it must have taken

439
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:34,159
for both Mrs MacDonald and Mrs Hill
to speak out in public tonight.

440
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,639
'Our thoughts must be with them

441
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,919
'and with all the other relatives
of the Ripper's victims.

442
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,000
'From Leeds, good night.'

443
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,319
CREW MEMBER:
Everybody stay seated.

444
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,440
Nice and still
while the credits roll.

445
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,439
BELL RINGS
OK, thanks everyone.

446
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,199
We're just waiting to hear
from the gallery

447
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:55,799
in case there's anything to pick up.

448
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,160
CREW CHATTER

449
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,519
What about the accent?

450
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,359
What about the fact
that our daughter was told

451
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,080
that men in Yorkshire were safe?

452
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,199
And why did they call him
The Ripper?

453
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,759
He said it over and over on TV,
"The Ripper".

454
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,359
Like that's his name.

455
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,159
That's just what they say, love.
No.

456
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,799
That's what people used to say
when they didn't know who he was.

457
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,519
When they didn't know his name.

458
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,839
But now they know his name,
why don't they use it?

459
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,560
Why do they have to say
that wretched word?

460
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,640
I'll get someone
to take that thing off.

461
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,799
"As Police Constable Andrew Laptew

462
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,479
"sat in Sutcliffe's modestly
furnished living room in Bradford,

463
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,119
"he realised that everything
the police knew about The Ripper

464
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:18,919
"fitted the man he was questioning.

465
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,799
"He became convinced
Sutcliffe was The Ripper.

466
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,399
"He submitted a report
saying as much

467
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:25,999
"to The Ripper headquarters
in Leeds."

468
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,919
Everything just "fitted", did it?
It's not how it looks.

469
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,079
Did everything just fall into place
for Sherlock fucking Holmes?

470
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:33,799
How much they pay you?
They didn't.

471
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,959
No? So why go round there?
I didn't.

472
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:37,319
To cover his arse.

473
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:38,639
He met Sutcliffe,

474
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,679
and then all he did was hand in some
shitty bit of paper, and that's it.

475
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,479
Three more lasses get butchered,
and he's got to live with that then,

476
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,439
the fact that he never followed up.

477
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,399
And that is why he called 'em.
Not true, sir.

478
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:49,999
Make it known
that it wasn't his fault.

479
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,319
A journalist knocked on my door.
He'd heard I'd put a report in.

480
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,399
Said he'd got a tip.
A tip-off? From who?

481
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:56,639
No idea. But I said nothing.

482
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,319
Is someone trying to protect you?
Read the article.

483
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,479
Cos you went round there...
You'll find no quotes...

484
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,239
Sat there and had a cup of tea
with him in his front fucking room.

485
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,359
I weren't the only one.
Sorry?

486
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,760
He'd been interviewed nine times.

487
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:12,880
Nine?

488
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,359
That's what they're saying.
T'lasses in t'incident room.

489
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,879
So what does it matter
who spoke to what journalist,

490
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,720
when nine times we went round there,
and nine times we failed?

491
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,279
Just like you failed
when I handed you that report

492
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,599
cos you were blinded by that tape,
by that stupid accent. Careful.

493
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,199
It's not me
that's got to live with it,

494
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,439
with them three dead girls,
it's all of us.

495
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,680
But it is you and Oldfield the most.

496
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,400
You watch your fucking mouth.

497
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,200
I want to create
a substantial new role for you.

498
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,119
A role befitting of an
experienced chap like you, George.

499
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,919
Chief of Operational Support.

500
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,840
Running the engine room,
for the whole of West Yorkshire.

501
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,239
To oversee the policing
of all vehicles

502
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,519
and road-based transport
in our portion of the county.

503
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:09,719
Traffic.

504
00:34:09,720 --> 00:34:12,679
To oversee the safekeeping of
criminal records and documentation.

505
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,199
The library.

506
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:18,039
And a full oversight of frogmen,
police dogs and police horses.

507
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,039
Animals.
Frogmen aren't animals, George.

508
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,039
They just have an animal
in their name.

509
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,360
Well, I won't do it.

510
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,880
I'm not going from Head of CID
to running the police farmyard.

511
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,800
People'll think I've been fired.

512
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,360
There's shit
coming down the line, George.

513
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,640
And before I retire, I want
to make sure that you are protected.

514
00:34:50,240 --> 00:34:52,200
We attribute it to your health.

515
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:55,960
Needn't be a reflection
of you and your team.

516
00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:59,959
What about Dick?

517
00:34:59,960 --> 00:35:02,279
I'll find something for Dick.

518
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:03,760
Oh, well...

519
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,919
..you know, if there's shit
coming down the line,

520
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,280
then you put as many people
in the way of it as you can, eh?

521
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,440
Don't hold back.

522
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,159
Oh, Margaret wanted to know
if those gifts had arrived.

523
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:22,799
For Grace's birthday.

524
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,160
Oh, I don't know, George.

525
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,959
That's very kind of her.
I shall ask.

526
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,200
Well, she's good like that, my wife.

527
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:33,600
Considerate.

528
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,440
DOOR OPENS

529
00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:55,039
Mr Byford, Mr Nevill.
Morning.

530
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,799
If you want to follow me,
I can show you upstairs?

531
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,000
Thank you.
Yep.

532
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,239
You are a bit earlier
than we expected,

533
00:36:03,240 --> 00:36:04,640
but, er, we're nearly ready.

534
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,159
This is Mr Byford,

535
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,359
he'll be doing the official inquiry.
Hello.

536
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:11,640
Hello.
OFFICER: Sir.

537
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,720
Did you ladies work on the inquiry,
or are you just packing things up?

538
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:21,680
We did our share, sir.

539
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,319
Mr Byford requested you draw
all accounts from your system

540
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:26,799
that might relate to Sutcliffe.

541
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,159
Vehicles, Photofits,
anything you might think relevant.

542
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,240
Yes, sir. Follow me.

543
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,239
Statements, sightings,

544
00:36:35,240 --> 00:36:37,999
any other paperwork, we've boxed up
and we've put in this office

545
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,960
cos, well,
it's more private in here.

546
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,599
These Photofits go back from 1972.

547
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,679
These are from the women
who survived.

548
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,760
The women he attacked
or followed or chased.

549
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,679
The ones he left for dead.

550
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,399
These are what they said they saw.

551
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,839
But not all of the women
were believed.

552
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:09,600
And these two photos, sir,
these are of Sutcliffe himself.

553
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,519
Er, this one from January.

554
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:18,720
And this one from when
he was arrested in '69.

555
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:22,679
Arrested in '69?

556
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,959
For going equipped.

557
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,120
He was caught, late at night,
carrying a hammer.

558
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,040
That's when he started.

559
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:28,880
KNOCK AT DOOR

560
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,159
Richard McCann?

561
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,159
Is this about our Sonia?
What's she done now?

562
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,039
She only left the house
about an hour ago.

563
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:38,400
Are you the son of Wilma McCann?

564
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,279
I'm Detective Chief Superintendent
Chris Gregg.

565
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,639
I was a young detective
on the Peter Sutcliffe case.

566
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,959
Sorry, but what's this...?

567
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,879
Because I find these things...

568
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:50,480
Can I come in?

569
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,079
I've been visiting
all the next of kin,

570
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,320
those related to the victims,
as we've had a development.

571
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,639
A few years ago, we arrested a man
for being drunk and disorderly.

572
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,039
As a result of his conviction,

573
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:09,759
he had to provide us
with a DNA sample

574
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,719
for the National Database.

575
00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:14,039
Because I'm now Chief Super,

576
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,759
and because this case
really matters to me,

577
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,679
I make sure to run DNA tests
every few years, you see.

578
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,079
Tests on what?

579
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,960
On the man who wrote the letters.

580
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,039
There were never any prints,
but recently,

581
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,199
we found DNA
where he licked the envelope.

582
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,599
So two weeks ago, we ran the tests,

583
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,519
and we found a direct match

584
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,400
with the man who we'd arrested
for being drunk and disorderly.

585
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,399
That man...

586
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:42,800
is the man on the tape.

587
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:45,399
The man...

588
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,720
The man who sent the tape.

589
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:51,560
He's owned up to it.

590
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:57,159
Said that it was him,
that he regrets it,

591
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:58,559
the damage that he's caused...

592
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,520
Wait. No, no, no. I, er...

593
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,839
I need to hear him.
Hear his voice.

594
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,919
I-I need to...
Is there any way that you...?

595
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,999
Yeah,
that's one of the reasons I'm here.

596
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,039
Do you mind if I use
your DVD player? No.

597
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:13,359
It's just to show you,

598
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,399
like I'm showing
all the other friends and family.

599
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,400
But only if it'll help.
You don't have to.

600
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,160
His name is John Humble.
He's from Sunderland.

601
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:28,159
We had him read out the letters

602
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,359
in case he later
withdrew his confession.

603
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:31,999
'We've got a transcript here.

604
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,399
'Would you read that
for us please, John? Back in...'

605
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:38,119
'That's if I can see it.
My eyes are a bit dodgy, you know.'

606
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:39,679
'Take your time.'

607
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,599
' "I'm Jack.

608
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,479
' "I see you are still
having no luck catching me.

609
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:50,239
' "I have the greatest respect
for you, George, but, Lord!

610
00:40:50,240 --> 00:40:55,720
' "You are no nearer catching me now
than four years ago, when I started.

611
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,799
' "I reckon your boys
are letting you down, George.

612
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,119
' "They can't be much good,
can they?

613
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:05,759
' "The only time
they came near..." '

614
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,240
RECORDING STOPS

615
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:09,480
That's him.

616
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:12,560
The voice.

617
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,440
The man who killed Mum.

618
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:19,559
No, no.

619
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,679
He's just the man who...
No, no...

620
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,840
Maybe not for you, but for me.

621
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,480
D'you know, when they first caught
Sutcliffe, no-one bothered.

622
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:32,799
They were busy patting
each other on the back,

623
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,760
but no-one actually came
to tell me and Sonia, so thank you.

624
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,000
Why...

625
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,999
..did he do that?
Why did he send the tape?

626
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,079
You must have asked him.
Yeah.

627
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:50,480
And...?

628
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,400
Notoriety.

629
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,199
And everything he said on the tape,

630
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,959
every word and every detail
that he put down in those letters,

631
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:02,679
it was all there
in the papers already.

632
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:06,999
It was all there for him
to read and write down

633
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,839
and pass off as his own.

634
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,919
And my predecessors,
they never worked that out.

635
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,640
And, erm... you know...

636
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:15,800
..I only wish they had.

637
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:32,479
MAN: Hello, mate.

638
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,480
'People often ask me...

639
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:41,080
'.."how you do you even begin
to get over something like that?" '

640
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:46,359
And, erm, "What it's like,
being a survivor?"

641
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,119
HE SCOFFS

642
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,199
We're not survivors.
We're surviving.

643
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,439
It's a, er... What do you call it?

644
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,119
A work in progress.

645
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,039
We're managing.

646
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:58,480
The good days...

647
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,919
..and the bad days.

648
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:03,079
And, erm...

649
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,439
the best we can hope for
is that very rare thing.

650
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:06,959
The odd day, when you're working...

651
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,280
I'm a motivational speaker
these days.

652
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,920
But whatever it might be,
when...

653
00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:16,600
..when it doesn't cross your mind.

654
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,719
Or at least you think it doesn't,
and...

655
00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:23,719
till right before bedtime,

656
00:43:23,720 --> 00:43:25,879
when it pops into your head,
and you think...

657
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,480
"Oh, God...
I nearly made it through."

658
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:35,160
Sorry.

659
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:46,760
Our mum were never a prostitute.

660
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,839
Yes, she liked a drink,
and-and...

661
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,199
yes, she had boyfriends.

662
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,519
She-She probably
got up to all sorts.

663
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,600
The point is,
the police never bothered to check.

664
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:01,679
Those men in charge,

665
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,479
they were more fixed
on finding out who he was.

666
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,399
They never even bothered
to find out who Mum was.

667
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,040
And it was the same
for the rest of them.

668
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,159
The police, they showed up,

669
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:16,479
and they saw a crime scene,
and they saw a victim.

670
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:20,880
But what very few of them
ever actually saw were the women.

671
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,280
And that's what's important now.

672
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,520
We want to make those women visible.

673
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:34,800
We want to see 'em in colour.

674
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:42,960
We want to bring them out of that...
that same long shadow.

675
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,840
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