1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:08,240 "The role of the press is to hold power to account." 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:16,496 Mr. Wallace who is presently serving 10 years for manslaughter in an English jail 5 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,160 was known to have links with British Intelligence. 6 00:00:22,080 --> 00:00:24,520 Wallace claimed he was an Intelligence Officer. 7 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:29,760 Wallace alleges he became involved in a black propaganda campaign by the security services. 8 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:34,040 There was no evidence to support the claims of Mr. Colin Wallace. 9 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:39,360 Until anybody can produce proper evidence there is no need to have an inquiry. 10 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:47,776 Colin Wallace had fractured Mr. Lewis’ skull with a karate style blow 11 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:51,200 after he was accused of having an affair with Mr. Lewis’ wife. 12 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,376 He hid his friend’s body in the boot of his car 13 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:56,400 and later dumped it in the river Arun. 14 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:00,280 He says he was the victim of an MI5 dirty tricks campaign. 15 00:01:06,320 --> 00:01:10,960 The Man Who Knew Too Much 16 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:21,600 Northern Ireland 1969: Violence erupts between Protestants loyal to the British Crown and Catholics. 17 00:01:21,980 --> 00:01:26,176 Information Policy: An information warfare department is established inside the 18 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:31,756 British Army’s Northern Ireland headquarters at Lisburn, comprising Army psychological warfare and 19 00:01:31,780 --> 00:01:36,976 the Information Research Department (IRD), a clandestine department in the British Foreign Office. 20 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:43,696 The IRD as a Foreign Office department had to justify their position 21 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:47,816 in Northern Ireland and they justified it by emphasizing 22 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:53,120 the international links of the IRA. By saying this is to do with Ireland, this is to do with the Communists 23 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:58,000 and oddly this is to do with the Vatican City as well, playing up the Catholic angle. 24 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:02,056 The IRD tended to work through newspapers. 25 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:06,960 They would draft articles in London and then 26 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:11,936 distribute them through friendly journalists to slip into foreign newspapers. 27 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,056 They worked with publishing houses, 28 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,976 where they would write some book about communism 29 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:23,600 and then it would be distributed or published through a private commercial company. 30 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:28,960 Hugh Mooney of the IRD was sent as an adviser to Information Policy. 31 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:33,240 Northern Ireland was the most surveyed country in the world. 32 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,320 Every citizen probably had a file, 33 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:41,280 every household was under surveillance. Down to minute things, like, 34 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:43,320 extra pint of milk, 35 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,720 just bought a new TV where has the money come from, like that. 36 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:55,120 Colin Wallace, a 27-year-old press officer was asked to assist the psychological warfare unit. 37 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:02,136 Because I grew up in Northern Ireland, because I knew a lot of the background, I was then asked to 38 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:08,480 explain some of the significance in terms of emblems, in terms of labels and so on so forth. 39 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,640 I was really bringing into the PsyOps team 40 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:16,920 the Irish dimension as it were, in terms of history, emotion, symbols, sounds. 41 00:03:17,640 --> 00:03:21,136 Maurice Tugwell the head of the Army’s psychological warfare school 42 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,856 and a veteran of Britain’s colonial counter-insurgency campaigns 43 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,040 commanded the PsyOps unit. 44 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,736 Maurice Tugwell believed that, "all information agencies in Northern Ireland 45 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:33,440 should speak with one voice:" 46 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:37,960 any organization critical of British policy was an IRA front. 47 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:44,240 Information Policy, PsyOps was a highly sensitive activity 48 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:52,560 and it really needed some form of cover, that gave its officers access to the public and the press. 49 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:58,440 Information Policy was in the same building, on the same corridor, as the press office. 50 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:03,440 So, a visiting journalist going down the corridor to the press office 51 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:09,600 would almost see the whole corridor as part of army public relations. 52 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:15,480 Where as a key part of that had no bearing on public relations per se. 53 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:23,640 On the 9th of August 1971 the British government approved the internment of dissidents without trial. 54 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:30,200 Many of those imprisoned were not terrorists, but civil rights activists and Irish nationalists. 55 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,880 The perception at that stage was a bad one globally. 56 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:36,240 And of course, 57 00:04:36,280 --> 00:04:42,280 the IRA were very good from PsyOps point of view, they used that to make Britain look bad. 58 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,240 Reports of torture surfaced in the Irish press. 59 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,600 Where there were allegations of brutality, 60 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:56,680 the Information Policy unit planted with selected journalists 61 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:02,960 the fact that the techniques used by the security forces 62 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,816 in questioning detainees were actually less 63 00:05:06,840 --> 00:05:10,496 demanding than the techniques we used on our own soldiers 64 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,736 when we were teaching them how to avoid 65 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,960 or deal with interrogation if they were captured by the enemy. 66 00:05:18,280 --> 00:05:24,280 Stories of torture and arbitrary imprisonment without trial fanned feelings of historical injustice 67 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,560 and with that the popularity of the IRA increased. 68 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,640 The violence from all sides escalated. 69 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:38,800 In 1972, 479 people were killed and almost 5000 injured. 70 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:44,680 Each day the psychological operations team would look at 71 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,720 the violence of the past 24 hours. 72 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:52,816 Some activities would require a quick response, we needed to do something that day. 73 00:05:52,840 --> 00:05:57,120 But sometimes there were themes developing, that 74 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:02,840 for example some type of terrorist activity was creating a problem 75 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:07,000 and therefore we would have to take a more strategic look at that. 76 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:12,640 A theme was a broad issue that Information Policy identified as a concern. 77 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:18,040 Major themes included community support for paramilitary organizations, 78 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,896 who were portrayed as organized criminal groups 79 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,020 that intimidated and exploited local communities. 80 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:30,760 Information Policy attempted to spread uncertainty and conflict in target groups. 81 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:35,240 The international perception of the conflict was another major theme. 82 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,456 Themes were used to color events with a message 83 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:42,880 that supported Information Policy’s long term PsyOps campaigns. 84 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:50,096 When journalists visited or phoned the Army Press Office, 85 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,760 they would be passed through to Colin Wallace and his colleagues. 86 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:58,720 We then from a PsyOps point of view either had an agreed 87 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:04,840 position which we would take on this, feeding in the various themes that we wanted to put across. 88 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:11,960 Or in certain cases we had a number of journalists who were much more 89 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:19,080 pro the role of the armed forces in Northern Ireland and we would then call them direct 90 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,840 and explain the background that we wanted to put across. 91 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:29,296 The propaganda was deliberately designed to create conflict, 92 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:35,936 to disorientate the IRA to unnerve them and to again to separate them 93 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:43,160 from the community whose support they needed in order to remain a viable organization. 94 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,240 We discovered at one stage they were using 95 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:53,920 nitrobenzene to mix with fertilizer to make their bombs more effective. 96 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:59,480 We discovered that nitrobenzene had a carcinogenic quality 97 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,376 and therefore there was a real danger 98 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:06,400 that people mixing these explosives unless they were protected properly 99 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,480 were likely to develop cancer at a later stage. 100 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:12,880 This was a scientific fact. But 101 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:17,040 exactly how much exposure etcetera we had no idea. 102 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,400 But because there were sufficient scientific hooks with that, 103 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,040 we circulated that information to the press. 104 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:31,040 And the good thing about it was lots of experts from the scientific world 105 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:37,920 agreed with the conclusion, that nitrobenzene was a carcinogenic. 106 00:08:38,560 --> 00:08:43,456 Newspapers picked up the story and quoted an anonymous army spokesperson, 107 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,776 who was none other than Colin Wallace, 108 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:50,336 who claimed that "symptoms of nitro poisoning are difficult to spot. 109 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:54,136 By the time they are visible it is too late to treat the victim. 110 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:58,920 Vomiting and a coma follow and later the glands and liver break down." 111 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:04,736 The Guardian reported: "Children finding it stored in a derelict house 112 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:09,600 or people forced to store it by the Provisionals could suffer from the poisoning." 113 00:09:11,560 --> 00:09:15,216 On occasion bombs would go off prematurely 114 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:19,000 and quite often the people transporting the bomb would be killed. 115 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:24,680 And where we got a bomb going off prematurely, although we knew the reason 116 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,440 from the subsequent examination of the device 117 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,016 why it had gone off prematurely, 118 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:36,160 we would quite often try to shift the reason for that onto something else. 119 00:09:38,680 --> 00:09:44,920 In campaigns of a political nature army PsyOps worked with Hugh Mooney of the IRD. 120 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:53,280 One of the themes the IRD used in its propaganda was trying to link the IRA to the Soviet Union 121 00:09:53,540 --> 00:09:55,560 and the broader communist 122 00:09:56,900 --> 00:09:58,400 threat. 123 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:05,440 And so one of their plans involved telling journalists or leaking a story 124 00:10:05,560 --> 00:10:08,056 that Soviet submarines 125 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:14,560 were dropping subversives, who had been trained by the KGB, off the coast of Ireland. 126 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:20,936 IRD acquired at one stage some photographs that the Royal Air Force had taken 127 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,640 of a Soviet submarine off the coast of Scotland. 128 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:31,840 A dossier was then built up by IRD, creating a credible story that 129 00:10:32,560 --> 00:10:35,056 this submarine which then 130 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:40,120 had moved off the coast of Donegal rather than Scotland, from the story point of view, 131 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:41,577 that this was 132 00:10:41,601 --> 00:10:46,240 clear evidence that the Soviets were directly involved in the violence in Northern Ireland. 133 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:52,016 So IRD set up a meeting with the News of the World in London. 134 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:55,216 We took across photographs, various other documents 135 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,600 and material to substantiate the story. 136 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:04,000 This was given to the News of the World, who ran it as a front page lead. 137 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:10,960 It was a huge story and it got wide circulation again around the world. 138 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:17,440 Hugh Mooney identified himself to the journalist as a member of the Foreign Office. 139 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:21,816 The Foreign Office was a cover for the activities of IRD 140 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:26,056 and therefore he was listed as a senior member of the Foreign Office 141 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:32,080 and that is how they knew that he was a genuine official. 142 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:41,240 We would try to manipulate the terrorist organization simply by information. 143 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:46,256 Just to delay and get them to lose faith in what they were doing. 144 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:50,680 But at the other end of the scale there may be a technical intervention, where 145 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,616 again one would try to get 146 00:11:54,640 --> 00:12:00,000 for example a weapon to misfire or to explode or something of that nature. 147 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:07,240 On one occasion the IRA was struggling with using heavier weapons such as bazookas. 148 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:11,976 And it turned out that they were using them with the safety cap still on. 149 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:17,080 The IRD decided to conceal this explanation and instead 150 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:25,320 issue a dummy army order suggesting that the shells be tested electronically. 151 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:27,697 The IRD hoped 152 00:12:27,721 --> 00:12:33,360 that this would result in explosions going off in the hands of IRA members. 153 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:39,816 In Northern Ireland, a clandestine unit, the Military Reaction Force, dressed up as civilians 154 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,680 and injured and killed numerous Catholics in drive by shootings. 155 00:12:44,680 --> 00:12:47,736 Information Policy would point out to journalists 156 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:51,616 that the weapons used were those that the paramilitary groups carried. 157 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:56,280 As a result, the press attributed the attacks to the paramilitary groups. 158 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:59,356 In one incident the police discovered 159 00:12:59,380 --> 00:13:02,380 that an undercover army unit had injured a group of people 160 00:13:02,460 --> 00:13:06,356 at a bus stop in a drive by shooting on the Glen Road in Belfast. 161 00:13:06,680 --> 00:13:09,160 The police wanted to press charges. 162 00:13:09,560 --> 00:13:13,816 PsyOps dissuaded the police by threatening to reveal that the ammunition used 163 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,520 had been given to the army by the police. 164 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:24,096 Information Policy established close relationships with journalists 165 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:25,817 and their publications. 166 00:13:25,841 --> 00:13:28,166 The whole thing is about knowing the target audience 167 00:13:28,190 --> 00:13:30,316 but also knowing the journalists as well. 168 00:13:30,340 --> 00:13:32,876 Sometimes you know the relationship was 169 00:13:33,500 --> 00:13:36,640 very good and it was almost at a humorous level. 170 00:13:36,740 --> 00:13:41,556 And journalists might ring me up, say "look Colin I'm quoting you as saying this," 171 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:43,137 and I would say: "but I didn't say that," 172 00:13:43,161 --> 00:13:45,576 and they said "I know but we knew you would say that." 173 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:47,537 And it was at that level, and unless 174 00:13:47,561 --> 00:13:51,720 that quote was really way off mark, I would be quite happy with that. 175 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:56,816 99% of the work I was doing was un-attributable, 176 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,776 and then you also have off-the-record information, which 177 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,616 you know, journalists would know but couldn't actually 178 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:08,176 report on. So literally that would just be built into their story 179 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:10,976 without any reference to where it came from. 180 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,377 Professional journalists are very good, because they realized 181 00:14:14,401 --> 00:14:19,016 that if they didn't actually stick by what was a journalistic agreement after all, 182 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:23,080 then probably we would not cooperate with them in the same way in the future. 183 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:27,720 How important was it for PsyOps to be believable? 184 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:34,640 The press quite often said that PsyOps was largely about propaganda and 185 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:36,377 using disinformation. 186 00:14:36,401 --> 00:14:40,976 But in the vast majority of cases we were working on real intelligence. 187 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:45,160 See, real intelligence is much more powerful, because 188 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,016 when the terrorists check out their own sources 189 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,280 it has to be credible. They have to be able to stand it out. 190 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,736 If they can show it is false, then of course it is a waste of time 191 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:56,776 and really does not go anywhere. 192 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:00,520 So most of the material that we used, the most effective stuff, 193 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,640 was genuine intelligence, 194 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:05,200 and had to be credible 195 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:10,800 not just from a journalist point of view, but it had to also be credible from a terrorist point of view. 196 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,800 On the 5th of August 1973, 197 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,300 an article in the Belfast Sunday News reported 198 00:15:23,500 --> 00:15:26,400 that sheep had been sacrificed in a black magic ritual 199 00:15:26,500 --> 00:15:29,680 on Copeland Island Beach North East of Belfast. 200 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:33,720 It was a front-page headline in the Sunday News, which lots of people read. 201 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:38,680 The story was that sheep had been ritually killed and mutilated, that was the story, 202 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:43,120 and that it was Satanists who had done this. 203 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,616 As a would-be anthropologist, an undergraduate at the time, 204 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:49,680 it tweaked my interests and I 205 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:54,120 began to pay attention as other news stories appeared in other the local papers. 206 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:58,260 The more I looked the more I found and I began to be really surprised 207 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:03,600 at the degree to which this had been a local news paper story in Northern Ireland. 208 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:08,720 From August 1973, 209 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,256 stories of witchcraft and black magic 210 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,400 began to surface in many local newspapers. 211 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,920 The first thing that I had to do was try and understand 212 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,616 what witchcraft would look like. 213 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:26,496 We had no idea so I bought a book on the subject. 214 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:28,177 Then the whole idea 215 00:16:28,201 --> 00:16:31,480 of the sacrifice of animals or whatever it might have been, 216 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:36,360 we got blood from the cook house from the army cook house 217 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:38,760 and we would scatter that over the 218 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,720 makeshift altars that were there. 219 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,736 Some of that material then we left 220 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:49,720 and it would be discovered by local people and then eventually 221 00:16:50,420 --> 00:16:52,456 they would talk about it to the press and 222 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:56,800 gradually the story built up and build up over a period of months. 223 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:00,320 This was a way of really 224 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:04,640 getting the interest of the press, getting rumors going around and therefore 225 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,760 doing the things that we really wanted to happen. 226 00:17:10,360 --> 00:17:15,440 The ritual sites were often located in old graveyards and abandoned properties. 227 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:16,920 You have to remember 228 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:22,520 that this was a time in Northern Ireland when all kinds of unusual things were happening. 229 00:17:23,120 --> 00:17:27,976 Assassinations were a very regular thing, some of them were particularly bloody and brutal. 230 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:33,560 Torture, mutilation, using knives and blades and things like that. 231 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:38,560 People were talking about ritual murders and all kinds of things. So, 232 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,736 all of a sudden all of the moral certainties 233 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:43,960 no longer seemed to be quite just as certain. 234 00:17:45,360 --> 00:17:49,160 Information Policy sent fake Readers’ Letters to the local press 235 00:17:49,360 --> 00:17:50,960 to help fan the rumours. 236 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:58,920 Quite often on different subjects we would write to local newspapers 237 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,560 drawing attention to something or criticizing something 238 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:07,360 and then the newspaper would publish that. It would 239 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:11,240 usually be about a local issue and it was very much done at that local Level. 240 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,656 But then we would pick up the publication of those letters and 241 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:18,280 we would then circulate those letters more to the national press, 242 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:23,400 to reflect what would be portrayed as local views. 243 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:28,240 Don't forget that 244 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:33,240 we were not just influencing the press. The press is only one way of influencing the public. 245 00:18:33,360 --> 00:18:36,920 We had to be able to influence all sorts of other people who were 246 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:43,360 you know communicating with the public. 247 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:45,280 The churches then 248 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:49,200 in the 70s had much more influence of course than they have today 249 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:53,960 and therefore this involvement of witchcraft was quite important. 250 00:18:54,360 --> 00:18:57,000 The key thing we wanted the Protestant, 251 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,320 sorry we wanted the clergy to do, I think was just 252 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:07,960 to try and go back to reject all types of violence 253 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:13,640 and questionable behavior. And whether that was drugs or witchcraft or terrorism, 254 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:18,440 it was to say that these activities really have no 255 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,040 place in the society that we were trying to create. 256 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:23,480 And because 257 00:19:24,120 --> 00:19:28,280 at that stage people's world was dominated by the fear of terrorism, 258 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:34,776 we were directly linking a lot of these things together. It was important to look at 259 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,360 evil bad and terrorism all within one package. 260 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,040 They were particularly interested in 261 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:48,680 getting at the Protestant population and getting them to believe in this stuff. 262 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,330 They were trying to scare the bejesus out of the local population 263 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:59,400 and to attach that fright to the terrible things that going on ergo the paramilitaries. 264 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:06,896 That is I think what the core job of what they were doing was. 265 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:10,676 They were trying to discredit the paramilitaries. They were trying to associate them with 266 00:20:11,300 --> 00:20:17,880 bad things, drug dealing, dodgy financial dealings, etc. Etc. 267 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,240 We were just saying, look, the 268 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:25,920 fact that the community has now sort of dissolved into this violence, 269 00:20:26,120 --> 00:20:31,280 which is becoming more and more sadistic in terms of sectarian assassinations, 270 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:35,376 you know, where do you draw a halt as a community. 271 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,680 I think it helped to bring home to people, that 272 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,040 there was something going on in their community that really 273 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,120 was not good for them as a whole. 274 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,280 That is a strange way thinking, 275 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:56,520 because you know you are part of the army and the idea is that you are fighting a war. 276 00:20:57,120 --> 00:21:00,456 But you are saying the witchcraft campaign was about 277 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,160 bringing a sense of morality back to the community, 278 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:08,360 you wouldn't really have thought that the army would think about that? 279 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:15,216 Probably not but I think you see it is a war but it is not a conventional war. 280 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:22,240 Terrorism is fundamentally a propaganda war that is backed up by armed conflict. 281 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:27,000 So, it was just I think going back to 282 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:33,656 say to people "you know you have grown up as I did in Northern Ireland with a very strong belief 283 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:38,760 in the community and in our own church, whatever that religion was, 284 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,080 and surely we have drifted a long way from that 285 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,000 as a result of the violence of the last five six years." 286 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,480 On the 8th of September 1973 287 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:01,480 the burnt and mutilated body of 10-year-old Brian McDermott 288 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,320 was discovered by the river Lagan in Belfast. 289 00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:10,136 People began to speculate: "was this a black magic killing" and 290 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:15,760 it certainly contributed towards one of the threads and the rumors and fears 291 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:20,480 that autumn, which was that Satanists were looking for children to abduct. 292 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:26,840 Newspapers reported rumours that "a boy or girl under seven would be sacrificed." 293 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,360 The police actually issued 294 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:35,640 a statement saying they believed that the murder may have involved witchcraft, 295 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:40,880 that was a concern for us at that stage because bearing in mind that we were creating this concept. 296 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:46,776 At that point we stopped using witchcraft as a concept. 297 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,880 But that was in September 298 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:55,720 and according to Richard Jenkins the witchcraft scare continued 299 00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:00,120 all the way to the beginning of 1974? 300 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:05,360 I think that's right, and one of the points we were making is that when you create a story 301 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:12,096 it gathers momentum over a period of time and I think although we stop doing things, 302 00:23:12,120 --> 00:23:16,880 there were lots of other stories and rumors going around. There may also have been people, 303 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,760 you know, creating these things for fun really. 304 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:25,496 But we certainly stopped after Brian McDermott’s death. There's no doubt of that. 305 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,576 I’m absolutely clear. But it may well be that the aftermath of that was still going on 306 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,700 for a period of sometime, even to the beginning of the following year. 307 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,320 From early September to December 1973, 308 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,560 there were more than 70 articles referring to black magic and witchcraft. 309 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:53,380 By the beginning of the following year the topic had almost completely vanished from the press. 310 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:03,440 When the British Prime Minister Harold Wilson visited Northern Ireland, he was briefed by Colin Wallace. 311 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,880 Would the Prime Minister have been aware 312 00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:13,000 that you were in fact in military intelligence? 313 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:20,600 Oh, I don't believe they would have been. I’m sure he saw me simply as an army press officer. 314 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:25,160 Did you yourself have a brief for when you interacted with him? 315 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:31,480 Yes, what happened was that there were certain key things that we felt 316 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,560 the Prime Minister should know. So, the idea is that 317 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,000 you don't want him to be wrong-footed by not being able to answer 318 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,920 the basic questions about security in Northern Ireland. 319 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,616 Influencing the press, the clergy and key decision makers 320 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:56,440 was one aspect of psychological warfare, another was influencing persons of interest directly. 321 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:02,360 Quite often we were trying to influence people where we had no direct access to them. 322 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:08,040 And so when you are trying to move somebody or change somebody's thinking, 323 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:15,120 sometimes you had to target them through one or more sort of relays of other people. So, 324 00:25:15,140 --> 00:25:17,576 it is never straight communication. 325 00:25:17,700 --> 00:25:21,276 A lot of information we were disseminating was not through the media, 326 00:25:21,900 --> 00:25:23,417 it was also through people, 327 00:25:23,441 --> 00:25:29,400 and therefore it had to be cut out so that the person handling it quite often 328 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,016 didn't realize who the originator was. 329 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:36,136 And that made it all the more credible, when that person who was known to the target 330 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,160 was passing this information on to him. 331 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:45,120 Information Policy created profiles of persons of interest and people in their social networks. 332 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,297 The key thing was that 333 00:25:47,321 --> 00:25:51,500 when you knew a lot about a person and the people they worked with, 334 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,977 like any other part of society, 335 00:25:54,001 --> 00:25:56,196 there were people who didn't like each other, 336 00:25:56,220 --> 00:25:58,076 there were people who were jealous of each other. 337 00:25:58,100 --> 00:26:01,060 Because we had the relevant intelligence, 338 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,760 if we could plant it the right way, 339 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:10,760 you could for example if one person was suspicious of another for some reason, 340 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,920 you could increase that suspicion, 341 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:17,820 by feeding information in that would tend to reinforce their own views of that individual. 342 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,560 So, it was that type of activity. 343 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,177 Could you explain more about 344 00:26:23,201 --> 00:26:27,200 the kind of techniques you used to create psychological conflict? 345 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,840 I have to be careful with that because 346 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:36,640 what I don't want to do is actually share techniques that are still having impact. 347 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,800 And so there is a Grey area there. 348 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,960 But it is basically along the lines that we are saying, first of all is to identify 349 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:51,720 relationships, look at how toxic those relationships may or may not be, 350 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:57,660 and then try to maneuver them by planting information in, to have that effect. 351 00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:02,880 You build up quite a comprehensive profile 352 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,120 of that person and their associates. 353 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,680 Now it may be that some of those associates 354 00:27:09,700 --> 00:27:13,136 are totally innocent of any involvement in terrorism whatsoever. 355 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,800 They just happen to be good friends from school days and so on and so forth. 356 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,200 It is really creating a picture 357 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,640 of that person so you almost know 358 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,840 what their response will be to something that you do. 359 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,200 This is a very different use of psychology 360 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:35,380 and I think a lot of people wouldn't be aware that this knowledge exists 361 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:40,440 and that people study psychology for these kinds of purposes? 362 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:48,720 I think that's true, but you have to be careful because we did do lots of things 363 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,160 that had a positive psychological effect. 364 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,360 Like for example we ran youth clubs, we ran community relations. 365 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:01,240 I was the Army's Father Christmas going around schools and hospitals at Christmas. 366 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,480 We actually provided funds for projects. We took kids away from 367 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,000 the really bad areas of Northern Ireland, 368 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,017 from opposite sides of the fence, 369 00:28:10,041 --> 00:28:13,760 Catholic and Protestant together, we took them away to the mountains camping. 370 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:21,320 Colin Wallace was refused clearance to target high-ranking protestant paramilitaries 371 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,240 in psychological operations. 372 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:29,120 These individuals who at times colluded with the British army were on an excluded list. 373 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:34,680 A number of protestant clergy and politicians on the other hand were legitimate targets. 374 00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:40,680 Psyops targeted individuals who were not members of terrorist organizations, 375 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,440 but who had influence in communities of interest to PsyOps. 376 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,417 In the Catholic community, 377 00:28:48,441 --> 00:28:52,960 personal conflicts were the most common reason for a person to become an informant. 378 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:58,500 We couldn't admit to what we were doing, the army didn't admit to what we were doing and so on so forth. 379 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:04,720 A senior figure political or military might ask us to do something 380 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,640 and then for political reasons usually 381 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:13,640 they would say it would be a really good idea if X happened 382 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,880 but then they would quite often say but 383 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:20,960 I don't want you to tell me how you go about it because I may have to deny it, 384 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:27,080 and that was a classic example so in other words the person doesn't want to lie that they were involved. 385 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:33,040 Senior figures were deliberately kept in the dark about the specifics of campaigns, 386 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:37,520 so that they could deny involvement should they be called upon to answer questions. 387 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:45,400 At the age of 29 Colin Wallace was the youngest Senior Information Officer in the MOD. 388 00:29:45,980 --> 00:29:48,300 During his time in Information Policy 389 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,840 he was put forward for New Year’s Honors 3 times by his superiors. 390 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,840 In 1973, the IRD was withdrawn from Northern Ireland. 391 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:10,000 The IRD focused on framing conflicts both at home and abroad as part of a clash of ideologies, 392 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,120 between Communism and the West. 393 00:30:12,300 --> 00:30:17,696 Army Intelligence saw the IRD as involved in political propaganda of limited relevance 394 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,420 to their anti-terror and counter-insurgency campaign. 395 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,400 The military feared that 396 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:29,560 having the IRD in Northern Ireland was undermining the credibility 397 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,320 of their own PR campaigns 398 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:39,020 and Lisburn and the army headquarters was becoming known as the Lisburn lie machine. 399 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,240 Not long after the departure of Hugh Mooney and the IRD, 400 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:49,400 a meeting was convened at Stormont Castle, the HQ of MI5 in Northern Ireland. 401 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:54,000 At this meeting a campaign code-named Clockwork Orange was launched. 402 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,920 Colin Wallace was asked to liaise with an operative by the cover-name, John Shaw. 403 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:04,320 He never came to army headquarters at any time when I was there. 404 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,400 All the meetings I had with him were at the White Gables Hotel. 405 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:13,776 I think the idea with that was that there would be no direct link, 406 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:19,360 particularly with some of the information that we were using, between him and the army. 407 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,776 Colin Wallace alleges John Shaw supplied him with material that included smears 408 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,760 on politicians from the three main political parties in Britain. 409 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:34,680 Why were you given that information, considering the sensitivity of it? 410 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,880 As I say, this was background, because if we are looking 411 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,816 for example at the increase in violence, 412 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,417 that has to be put in context, 413 00:31:43,441 --> 00:31:47,416 particularly if you are briefing journalists in depth or foreign journalists. 414 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:52,120 You have to explain at that stage what led up to the violence. 415 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,696 So, in other words, the violence was really the activity, 416 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,680 but the background was coming from the briefing papers that I was given. 417 00:32:00,260 --> 00:32:03,976 Some of the forgeries that Information Policy and MI5 and IRD 418 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,776 concocted in Northern Ireland came into my possession. 419 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,000 To Merlyn Rees, who at one point was the Minister for Northern Ireland. 420 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,736 This is apparently from the American Congress for Irish freedom, 1971. 421 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:19,320 This was an IRA front in America. This is a letter apparently thanking Merlyn Rees for his support, 422 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,880 which of course Merlyn Rees didn’t support it, but there you go. 423 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,777 According to Stephen Dorril 424 00:32:25,801 --> 00:32:29,360 some of the smears Colin Wallace received from John Shaw 425 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,040 were already in circulation in Britain. 426 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:37,440 Britain had a very sophisticated system 427 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,776 whereby there were scores of people around the country 428 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,360 whose job it was just to sit in bars, coffee bars, 429 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:51,200 talk to people, go to clubs and spread rumors 430 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:57,120 and gradually kind of build up this idea about someone or some operation. 431 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,080 It was smears about sex, 432 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,640 accusations that Wilson had affairs. 433 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,416 The British Prime Minister, Harold Wilson, 434 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,560 had been sexually compromised on a trip to Moscow. 435 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,456 There were accusations about, which is again kind of 436 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:20,720 interesting in retrospect, about him being too close to Jewish people. 437 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,360 So, there were kind of anti-semitic smears. 438 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:29,000 That Wilson was corrupt that he had secret bank accounts … 439 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,040 A few years ago the son of a MI6 officer 440 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,000 contacted me and said 441 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:40,320 "You've written about my father, but did you know that 442 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:46,320 when he retired in 1970 he went into the City of London and he started a newsletter 443 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:51,040 and spread rumors through this newsletter and smears about Wilson." 444 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,580 Here's another fake - A Swiss account supposedly held by 445 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,216 Edward Short, who was the 446 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,656 leader of the House of Commons at the time I think, another Labour MP, 447 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,360 a fake bank account showing he had 30,000 pounds. 448 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:10,560 A journalist who trusts somebody like Colin can easily be manipulated. 449 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:15,216 He would say to somebody: "okay, yeah, I think I know so-and-so, 450 00:34:15,240 --> 00:34:19,256 talk to that person or I can supply you with this bit of information 451 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,376 or I have this document I will allow you to look at 452 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:27,320 which will back up what I am saying or what this person has told you." 453 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,640 It is a very sophisticated kind of system. 454 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:37,920 This is thought out about what it is you want to achieve with this particular story. 455 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:44,760 This might be part of a chain. It might be part of an operation that is ongoing, 456 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,520 with the idea that you kind of sway the argument or you 457 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:53,040 change the view of something, smear somebody. 458 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:58,376 In October 1974 at a meeting with John Shaw, 459 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,680 Colin Wallace demanded proof of political clearance for Clockwork Orange. 460 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,040 He never saw or heard from John Shaw again. 461 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,977 Colin Wallace turned his attention to 462 00:35:14,001 --> 00:35:17,720 undermining the Republican support network in the US and Ireland. 463 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,800 He created a dossier that linked fundraisers and businessmen 464 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,040 supportive of Republicans to weapons smuggling. 465 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:31,520 Colin Wallace traced the serial numbers of weapons captured in Belfast to arms dealers in the US. 466 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,320 He identified a leading fundraiser and major benefactors. 467 00:35:35,720 --> 00:35:39,680 The story was intended as an exclusive for a major publication. 468 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,080 The Irish Joint Section of MI5 and MI6 469 00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:49,320 reported in a telegram that "The Managing Editor of the Daily Telegraph 470 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,360 was prepared to give the article wide coverage…" 471 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,560 Colin Wallace was asked to supply additional photographs. 472 00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:02,320 Information Policy ran a photography department that gathered images for intelligence purposes. 473 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:07,280 These images could be used as supporting material in press briefings. 474 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:13,600 The Daily Telegraph published a special investigation. Reporter Christopher Dobson, wrote: 475 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:19,376 "I have spent the last two months investigating the way in which the IRA gets its money. 476 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,096 I have traveled to the United States and Ireland 477 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,896 in tracking back the serial numbers of arms captured in Belfast, 478 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,960 and I have looked into the lives of the paymasters of terror." 479 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:39,256 The press helped Information Policy to target individuals and organisations 480 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:44,120 to which PsyOps had no direct access due to their geographic location. 481 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,360 The article provided no evidence of the funding or smuggling of arms, 482 00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:52,330 however the reader was left with the distinct impression 483 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:56,440 that the individuals and organization highlighted were responsible. 484 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:08,560 William McGrath was a prominent individual in loyalist politics, the Church and the Orange Order, 485 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,640 and the head of an organization called Tara. 486 00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:17,376 I was asked to encourage the press to look at what Tara and McGrath were all about. 487 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:21,480 Tara was an organization 488 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:28,040 that was really designed to prepare for a doomsday situation by loyalists. 489 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,400 If there was an IRA Campaign, 490 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:38,160 or in fact as McGrath said the Irish Army might even invade the North. 491 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,840 Attending the meetings of Tara 492 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,536 there were members of the Ulster Volunteer Force, 493 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,720 which was then a proscribed loyalist paramilitary group. 494 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,020 There were also police officers attending it. 495 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,760 In 1973 McGrath issued a proclamation, 496 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,080 that was designed to make the Roman Catholic Church illegal. 497 00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:03,080 William McGrath was also the housemaster of Kincora, 498 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:07,880 a home for boys from troubled backgrounds between the ages of 11 to 18. 499 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:15,120 Colin Wallace issued 3 separate briefings on McGrath, the press did not follow up the story. 500 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,980 The Army was informed by Special Branch that 501 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:22,616 if they moved against McGrath it would be a great propaganda coup for the IRA 502 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:27,060 and significantly damage the political structure in Northern Ireland. 503 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:37,760 In December 1974, Colin Wallace was summoned to the Ministry of Defence in London. 504 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,520 Everything as far as I was concerned, in terms of my job, 505 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:49,160 how I was regarded by annual performance reports, all those things were perfect. 506 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,440 And so I was a bit surprised to be told then by 507 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:58,920 the senior MOD official who saw me that because my life was in danger 508 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,920 I had to be moved out of the province. 509 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,280 A farewell party was organized. 510 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,480 A prominent cartoonist recorded Colin Wallace’s departure. 511 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,120 I moved to my new post and 512 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,680 a day after that a police officer from Northern Ireland arrived 513 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,016 with a Special Branch officer 514 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,560 and said that they were investigating the fact that 515 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,560 I had given a restricted document to a journalist. 516 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,480 For the past six years I had been supplying, 517 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,416 you know, as part of my job description, highly sensitive information 518 00:39:36,740 --> 00:39:39,660 to journalists from different countries around the world. 519 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:46,400 Unbeknown to Colin Wallace, MI5 had made an assessment that he was disgruntled and a security risk. 520 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:52,720 The disciplinary hearing that followed concluded that Colin Wallace should be dismissed. 521 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,800 But, that he could keep his pension if he resigned voluntarily. 522 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:03,560 Peter Broderick, a colleague of Colin Wallace’s in Army Public Relations, tried to support him 523 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:08,240 and was informed that Colin Wallace was a member of a terrorist organization. 524 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,920 Peter Broderick was then transferred out of the Ministry of Defence. 525 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:24,160 When my disciplinary hearing was finished and I realized that 526 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,160 clearly it had been rigged, 527 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:32,576 I then engaged a solicitor purely for personal protection to tell him what had happened to me. 528 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,760 He said that he was involved 529 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:40,136 in dirty tricks against politicians in Northern Ireland 530 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:45,080 and he also said that this had now started to move over onto the mainland. 531 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,080 That he was involved in a dirty tricks campaign 532 00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:52,840 against mainland politicians and in particular he mentioned Harold Wilson. 533 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,000 Colin Wallace moved to South-East London 534 00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,760 and began to speak out about his work in Information Policy, 535 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:06,400 he lobbied MPs, supplied information to the press and wrote to the former prime minister. 536 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:12,856 Harold Wilson already held suspicions that MI5 had undermined him and his government 537 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,680 and had communicated this to two journalists. 538 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,560 He thought they had mounted a campaign of denigrating him personally, 539 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:27,560 of using official material that had been gathered and then misused by leaking it to newspapers. 540 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,200 They released a book, which was largely ignored. 541 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:37,096 In 1977 the IRD was quietly closed down. 542 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:41,840 After an internal investigation into the plot against the former prime minister. 543 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,456 I corresponded with Lord Hunt. 544 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:50,720 He was asked to carry out the investigation into the alleged plot against Harold Wilson 545 00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:55,960 and he spoke to a number of people including the heads of MI5 and MI6. 546 00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,520 He said that there was a plot, 547 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:06,960 that there were dissident elements within both organizations. 548 00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:13,080 He wrote that report which went to the new Prime Minister 549 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:19,000 and a copy of it was supposed to have been deposited in the Cabinet Office. 550 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:25,040 I asked the Cabinet Office where was the copy and they said they could not find one. 551 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:34,220 Colin Wallace unaware of the demise of the IRD began a new life in West Sussex. 552 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:39,800 In January 1980 553 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:45,440 the Irish Independent published an article on the abuse of boys at the Belfast boys home Kincora. 554 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,576 The Housefathers William McGrath, Joseph Mains and Raymond Semple 555 00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,360 had been sexually abusing the boys in their care. 556 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,200 Politicians in Northern Ireland demanded a full inquiry. 557 00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:02,440 Did you see this man in Arundel between 6:15pm – 11:30pm on Tuesday 5th August 1980? 558 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,320 The body which was found last Friday in the river 559 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,640 had head injuries. 560 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,320 This is a matter for the pathologist who is making his examination, 561 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:24,780 to find out whether in fact the person died as a result of drowning or as a result of the head injuries. 562 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:30,240 Colin Wallace had fractured Mr. Lewis’ skull with a karate style blow 563 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:35,656 during a meeting at his house after he was accused of having an affair with Mr. Lewis’ wife. 564 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:40,440 He hid his friend’s body in the boot of his car and later dumped it in the river Arun. 565 00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,176 Colin Wallace was charged with the murder. 566 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:48,920 The prosecution alleged he was infatuated with Jane Lewis the deceased’s wife. 567 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:55,680 He was found guilty of manslaughter and sentenced to ten years on the 20th of March 1981. 568 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,960 65-year-old William McGrath seen here in the foreground. 569 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,160 He ran two bible study centres in Belfast in the 50s and 60s. 570 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:17,360 McGrath was also a founding member of the protestant paramilitary group Tara. 571 00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,240 This man was one of McGraths victims. 572 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,296 He would come up when you were getting dressed and 573 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,960 then he would start doing things you don’t like. 574 00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:32,216 There was one time I was bleeding. I told him to stop. It was unpleasant. 575 00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,620 You couldn’t turn to no-one you know. 576 00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:40,005 One of the Army’s former press officers at Thiepval Barracks in Lisburn, Colin Wallace, 577 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,680 is now a key figure in the Kincora investigation. 578 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:47,240 Mr. Wallace who is presently serving 10 years for manslaughter in an English jail 579 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,120 was also known to have links with British intelligence. 580 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,920 Kevin Dowling, exactly what did Colin Wallace tell you in 1973? 581 00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:00,136 He certainly said that McGrath was a homosexual. 582 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:04,480 You must remember that the conversation I had with him was in 1973. 583 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,976 I don’t remember the conversation entirely clearly. 584 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:12,856 It has been suggested to me that McGrath was in fact some kind of an army informer 585 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,976 and that the police felt obliged to protect him in order 586 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,536 to bring to book greater criminals than he. 587 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,180 Exactly what part did British intelligence play 588 00:45:21,260 --> 00:45:24,700 and were they aware that William McGrath was employed at Kincora. 589 00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:31,160 British Army files relating to the Kincora Boys’ Home disappeared from army headquarters. 590 00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:37,280 It was rumoured that William McGrath was an MI5 informant. 591 00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,336 McGrath, Mains and Semple, who ran the Kincora Boys’ Home, 592 00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,360 were sentenced in December 1981. 593 00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,640 All were released in under 2 years. 594 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:53,120 Meanwhile, Colin Wallace was still only at the beginning of his 10-year sentence. 595 00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,880 When I first got to know him, 596 00:45:58,280 --> 00:45:59,320 he was in prison 597 00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:02,720 and it was bizarre. 598 00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:05,680 He was actually protected in prison. 599 00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,240 Other prisoners believed him. 600 00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,280 He actually had kind of bodyguards, 601 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,320 because they thought probably correctly that he might be 602 00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,080 killed, assassinated in prison. 603 00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:27,000 Clive Ponting was head of the legal department at the Ministry of Defence in 1983 604 00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:31,760 and remembers a meeting with MI5 where Colin Wallace was discussed. 605 00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,297 There was never any suspicion that 606 00:46:34,321 --> 00:46:38,280 Wallace was making these stories up and that it was all totally unfounded and 607 00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:40,200 very easy to rubbish. 608 00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:44,736 It was very much a matter that the story was being contained at the moment 609 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,480 because he was in jail. But that 610 00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,376 in a few years time, he would be back out again and 611 00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,500 could be expected to start making the allegations again. 612 00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:57,416 One evening in prison, Colin Wallace read an article about Fred Holroyd, 613 00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,640 a former Military Intelligence Officer in Northern Ireland, 614 00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:04,000 whose experience bore some resemblance to his own. 615 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,000 Colin wrote a letter to Fred asking for help. 616 00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:09,600 When I got to the prison 617 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:11,680 I realized this was the same man 618 00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:16,520 that I met in the secret corridor, who had an office in army headquarters. 619 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:21,760 The MOD repeatedly were refuting that he was anything more 620 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:26,880 than a civilian clerk with a Walter Mitty complex. And yet here he is with an office 621 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:31,320 in this secret corridor with the political officer MI5, MI6, all of the people 622 00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,160 who were running the army were in that office. 623 00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,456 I went on the same day that the murder was committed, at the same time. 624 00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,816 You know you have got every man and his dog walking along that path. 625 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:46,656 You have fishermen overlooking at about a hundred yards away on a bridge. 626 00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,476 You have all sorts of courting couples walking along and 627 00:47:49,500 --> 00:47:51,896 the river boats going up and down the river. 628 00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,000 The thing was, you know, it's Trafalgar Square on a Saturday. 629 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,160 The story that the police had put out was a lie. 630 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,560 I also discovered a witness who had seen the dead man 631 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:08,440 after he had allegedly been killed by Colin and the police persuaded her not to give evidence. 632 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,960 He was sitting by the window with the gentleman he was with. 633 00:48:13,220 --> 00:48:17,616 A man approximately in his 50s with thinning grey hair combed back over the top of his head. 634 00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,200 And as far as I remember, I think he was in a grey suite. 635 00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:25,720 Whatever exchange came from Jonathan Lewis it was sharp and back to fiddling with his glass on his knee. 636 00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:27,600 He looked far from happy. 637 00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:32,200 She was frightened of the police. She thought the police were in on it. 638 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,760 Fred Holroyd door-stepped the boatman who had found the body. 639 00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,296 And he didn't know who I was. They all get very frightened when I arrive 640 00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:44,476 and start asking questions about things that they are worried about themselves. 641 00:48:44,500 --> 00:48:48,936 And he said: "I can tell you that the buggers wouldn't let me give the evidence I wanted to give, 642 00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,256 which was you know that I had reversed back and 643 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,320 my propeller had hit the guy in the face 644 00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,420 and that is what caused the wound." 645 00:48:55,720 --> 00:48:57,776 And I said: "Yyou are kidding," and he said: "No." 646 00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,976 So I said: "Are you prepared to put that down in writing?" He said: 647 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:05,736 "Well if I have to, but the best thing would be to get me in a court and ask me questions and then 648 00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:09,120 I have to answer in a courtroom and the police can't do me any harm." 649 00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:15,880 When Colin was still in prison he was via his solicitor, he was sending 650 00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,300 out various documents that he had written. 651 00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,800 I was unemployed, and in those days in Hull, 652 00:49:21,240 --> 00:49:25,150 in Mrs. Thatcher's Britain in a place like Hull with unemployment at 10 percent, 653 00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:26,840 if you had something to do 654 00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,336 and I did, the people on the dole would ignore you for years. 655 00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,080 So, I carried on doing this journalism stuff. 656 00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:39,336 Lobster, an obscure magazine made on a photocopier, with a circulation of 150, 657 00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,120 co-founded and co-edited by Ramsay and Dorril, 658 00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,576 may at the time have been the only publication in Britain 659 00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,600 to take Colin Wallace’s allegations seriously. 660 00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:55,440 I wrote this, which was you know 50 pages, an attempt to explain Colin’s story. 661 00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,960 We printed quite a lot of these about a thousand copies 662 00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,600 I think and we went to London and had a press conference. 663 00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:11,280 So, two hicks from the sticks turn up carrying this big document and saying here's a big story. 664 00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:15,960 The media were not impressed at all, virtually no response to it. 665 00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:20,360 In January 1987 Colin Wallace was released from prison. 666 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,576 A journalist called Julian O' Halloran 667 00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:29,296 went to Lewes Prison and actually filmed Colin Wallace as he stepped out of the prison gate 668 00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,676 and interviewed him and it was going to be broadcast on Newsnight. 669 00:50:32,700 --> 00:50:36,696 I was actually watching Newsnight when there was a great kerfuffle in the studio. 670 00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:39,816 Something had happened and bits of paper were being looked at, 671 00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:41,537 headphones were being checked. 672 00:50:41,561 --> 00:50:43,600 What happened was the Wallace segment 673 00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,896 had been yanked at the last minute by a man called Alan Prothero, 674 00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,200 who at that point was deputy director of the BBC. 675 00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:54,200 Prothero was a part-time army officer in the territorial army 676 00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:58,080 and his speciality was media - military relations. 677 00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,077 I went down to visit him and Fred 678 00:51:04,101 --> 00:51:07,476 and it was in the middle of winter. We were sitting in Colin Wallace’s unheated house. 679 00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,500 He had come out of prison and he couldn't afford to heat it. 680 00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,440 So we were all sitting you know in our coats in Colin’s living room 681 00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,500 and I remember saying something like, 682 00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:21,000 "So your plan is that me and you two guys with no money between us 683 00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,440 are gonna take on MI5 and the MOD?" 684 00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:25,480 "Yes that's the plan," they said. 685 00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,720 Irish broadcaster RTE picked up the story. 686 00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:34,016 The record says that Colin Wallace killed Jonathan Lewis. 687 00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:35,737 - Oh yes, absolutely. - Did you? 688 00:51:35,761 --> 00:51:38,216 No, I didn’t, I had nothing at all to do with his death. 689 00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:40,277 I wasn’t involved in any way. 690 00:51:40,501 --> 00:51:43,976 But I mean if I am not calm about it. If I panic about it. 691 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,036 If I create a fuss. If I get excited about it, 692 00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,160 that is not going to change the verdict 693 00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:52,056 any quicker than if I stay calm and deal with it properly through the correct channels. 694 00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:56,040 Eventually I was hired by Channel 4 News. 695 00:51:56,540 --> 00:51:58,320 Colin had these hand written notes 696 00:51:58,720 --> 00:52:03,200 that he claimed he had written down from this MI5 disinformation project 697 00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,160 against Labour MPs. 698 00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:10,920 Robert Parker of Channel 4 News went to a forensic scientist called Dr. Julius Grant. 699 00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:16,480 What chances do you think there are that these notes are forgeries? 700 00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:19,360 Well, from what I already said, 701 00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,720 the chances that they are forgeries seem to be rather remote. 702 00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:28,600 And thus these documents were in fact written, probably when Wallace said they were written. 703 00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:32,160 While we were working together on bits and pieces about Wallace, 704 00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:37,040 another journalist in ITN, who was one of their crime correspondents, 705 00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,656 began feeding information he was getting from the MOD, 706 00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,200 the Ministry of Defense, denigrating Wallace. 707 00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:47,136 We were also getting similar stuff from professor Paul Wilkinson, 708 00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:51,680 a terrorism expert, again denigrating Wallace and saying he's a fantasist and a liar. 709 00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,800 Investigative journalist Paul Foot wrote a book about Colin Wallace. 710 00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,760 Wallace began to appear in the British media more frequently, 711 00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:05,360 including on popular ITV weekly debate show Central Weekend Live. 712 00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,360 If you take the case of Mr. Wallace here. 713 00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:12,560 As every body else who is ever convicted of any crime, 714 00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:18,096 poor Mr. Wallace was framed. I don’t believe he was framed, it’s a fact. 715 00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:24,016 Any responsible journalist in Northern Ireland in the early 70s knew what Colin Wallace was up to. 716 00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:25,677 There was this gung-ho character 717 00:53:25,701 --> 00:53:28,036 who was running around in the dead of night 718 00:53:28,060 --> 00:53:31,816 shoving envelopes full of documents into the letter boxes of journalists. 719 00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,040 And you would say there is Colin at it again. 720 00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,000 I for one I was probably the first person in the CIA 721 00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,896 who got into this dirty-tricks business. It wasn’t as dirty as a lot of people think it was. 722 00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:42,717 A lot of people find it very objectionable. 723 00:53:42,741 --> 00:53:46,576 Just a minute. To blacken someone is a hell of a lot better than killing them. 724 00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,400 In World War 2 we killed people, 725 00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:50,477 and now we got into the business 726 00:53:50,501 --> 00:53:53,616 where we are simply playing dirty tricks, to prevent having World War 3. 727 00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:55,936 You are the man that sparked all this off. 728 00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,337 I did not join the security forces 729 00:53:58,361 --> 00:54:02,180 to discredit the Labour Party, the Conservative Party or the Liberal Party, 730 00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:06,456 and because I was deflected from my main job into doing political disinformation, 731 00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,000 I was not actually doing the job I had joined to do. 732 00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:14,716 Good evening, a civil servant sacked after making allegations about an MI5 dirty tricks campaign 733 00:54:14,740 --> 00:54:18,500 has been awarded £30,000 compensation by the government. 734 00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,896 Calcutt QC was asked to conduct an inquiry. 735 00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,416 In his report he reveals that MOD officials 736 00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:29,200 contacted Mr. Wallace’s disciplinary hearing beforehand, thus influencing the outcome. 737 00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:34,320 The Defence Secretary Tom King asked Mr. Calcutt not to write a full report. 738 00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:38,720 Labour’s Northern Ireland Secretary between 1974 and 76 said 739 00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,480 he had been the victim of a dirty tricks campaign. 740 00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,960 Who instructed Mr. Wallace 741 00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,296 to do the job he and others did. That is what we have to know. 742 00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:53,600 We want to be sure that this sort of thing never happens again. I feel very strongly about it. 743 00:54:54,500 --> 00:54:58,056 Mrs. Thatcher having insisted there was no evidence to back such claims 744 00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:01,056 was forced to admit in the Commons that she had been misled. 745 00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:04,496 This followed the discovery of documents in the Ministry of Defence, 746 00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:08,240 which related to a propaganda campaign code-named Clockwork Orange. 747 00:55:08,720 --> 00:55:11,436 He is calling for the government to launch a full inquiry. 748 00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:13,376 Injustice to me is really a minor matter. 749 00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:18,076 The much more important matters are the allegations that there was an attempt to 750 00:55:18,500 --> 00:55:21,256 influence the general election in 1974 751 00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,840 and indeed the assaults on the children in Kincora during the 70s. 752 00:55:25,660 --> 00:55:29,120 My aspect of the story is only a minor one by comparison. 753 00:55:29,300 --> 00:55:31,320 The government specifically ruled out 754 00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,376 the re-opening into the investigation of the alleged cover up 755 00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:38,080 of the homosexual abuse of boys at the Kincora home in Belfast. 756 00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,536 Information about homosexual behavior at the Kincora Boys’ Home 757 00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,400 was used to blackmail prominent figures in Northern Ireland. 758 00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:51,200 After I left Northern Ireland another intelligence officer came in called Brian Gemmell 759 00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:57,440 he was told about the allegation surrounding the abuses at Kincora. 760 00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,240 He wrote a report about it and he submitted 761 00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:04,240 that report to a senior MI5 officer, Ian Cameron, 762 00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,440 who then told him to stop investigating. 763 00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,520 You know on the phone we have got phone calls of generals 764 00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,320 who have said, "Yes I knew all about Kincora, I was told and 765 00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:18,040 I took it to MI5 and they said it was none of my business and I left it to them. It was their business," 766 00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:23,200 and all this sort of stuff and you know the realization, like me the light is dawning 767 00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,800 that we are not who we say we are. 768 00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:34,936 Journalist David Leigh tracked down Denis Payne, the former head of MI5 in Northern Ireland, 769 00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,160 to a sleepy village in the countryside, 770 00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,760 and confronted him with the Clockwork Orange allegations. 771 00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:45,776 I am under an obligation to say absolutely nothing. I can’t say anything at all. 772 00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:50,476 I mean you have collected all the information, I can’t believe anybody is in the slightest bit 773 00:56:50,500 --> 00:56:53,000 interested in it, but, I have nothing to add. 774 00:56:55,560 --> 00:57:00,080 In 1996 Colin Wallace appealed his conviction for manslaughter. 775 00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:04,000 Today, 15 years after he was jailed for manslaughter, 776 00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,800 Colin Wallace from West Sussex, cleared his name. 777 00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:12,160 He served 6 years in the 1980s after being found guilty of killing an antiques dealer 778 00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,120 near his home in West Sussex. 779 00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:16,817 During the appeal hearing, 780 00:57:16,841 --> 00:57:21,656 the Home Office pathologist admitted that a Secret Service agent had suggested to him 781 00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:27,640 that the injury was caused by a karate chop to the head and not from the propeller of a boat. 782 00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:32,496 The hearing at the Court of Appeal focused largely on new medical evidence 783 00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:34,760 about the injury Jonathan Lewis received. 784 00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:39,616 Jonathan Lewis was most probably attacked at the river bank and not at his house, 785 00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:44,760 and he said there was no evidence that his body had ever been in Colin Wallace’s car. 786 00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:48,880 He says he was the victim of an MI5 dirty tricks campaign. 787 00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:52,760 Now Mr. Wallace is demanding a full investigation into his claims. 788 00:57:55,200 --> 00:58:00,920 Even after Colin Wallace had received compensation his troubles with MI5 were not over. 789 00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:03,657 While I was working at BAA, 790 00:58:03,681 --> 00:58:06,500 MI5 contacted the head of security there 791 00:58:06,700 --> 00:58:10,020 and then I was made redundant after that. 792 00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,640 Now I can't say MI5 was responsible, but again 793 00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:18,240 why were they still meddling in my case after all those years. 794 00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:23,400 The media reported Colin Wallace’s appeal and aired his allegations, 795 00:58:23,660 --> 00:58:25,497 but they did not ask themselves 796 00:58:25,521 --> 00:58:28,856 what role they themselves had played in spreading fake news 797 00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:32,200 and what lessons they could learn for their reporting in future. 798 00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:39,440 Colin Wallace repeatedly called for a full investigation into his claims. 799 00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,560 But there was to be no full investigation, 800 00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:46,120 only an ever longer list of inquiries and legal disputes 801 00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:50,240 spanning decades, as the allegations faded from public view. 802 00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:53,640 We now look at 803 00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,720 probably five inquiries that all failed totally 804 00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:02,400 to do what Parliament assured the public that it would do. 805 00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,840 Still to this day Colin is a problem. 806 00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:12,280 There are major efforts to restrict what he says. 807 00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:20,140 Kincora is a prime example, the boys home where it is alleged intelligence people 808 00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:25,036 were involved recruiting people used people etc the inquiries into that 809 00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,760 have been incredibly restricted. 810 00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:34,560 And Colin on the one hand will be told: yes come and tell us your story tell us everything. 811 00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:40,096 Then when it gets nearer you get a document from the minister that says 812 00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:45,840 I am sorry you can talk about that area but no way he's going to talk about that 813 00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:53,240 or MI5 … he cannot talk about this area because that gets him into an Official Secrets area. 814 00:59:54,000 --> 01:00:00,320 So even to this day 40 years on they are still trying to shut him up. 815 01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:04,360 The whole system you see is unaccountable and it's insidious 816 01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:08,536 it's easy for MI5 to say no we don't do it 817 01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:11,300 because nobody can prove what they did and they didn’t. 818 01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:16,416 Today, the role the military and intelligence services can play 819 01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:18,840 in manufacturing and manipulating the news 820 01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:21,176 is considered a conspiracy. 821 01:00:21,500 --> 01:00:25,540 Despite extensive press coverage of Colin Wallace’s allegations, 822 01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:30,280 not a single person in a position of authority has been held to account. 823 01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:37,776 When Hugh Mooney of the IRD was asked under oath at a public inquiry 824 01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:39,480 about his PsyOps work, 825 01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:43,080 he lied and claimed he was never involved in PsyOps, 826 01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,960 despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. 827 01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:47,920 Hugh Mooney walked away, 828 01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:51,840 no questions asked and became a successful businessman. 829 01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:55,520 This is a very, very secretive society. 830 01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:58,080 It runs through everything. 831 01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:02,360 Secrecy is the British disease. It's not anything else, it’s secrecy. 832 01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:07,440 If you believe in the democratic process there has to be oversight 833 01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:10,400 and at the moment we don't have oversight. 834 01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:15,200 Because vetting is an important issue for politicians who are looking for 835 01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:17,400 ministerial appointments 836 01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:21,760 and service people or police officers moving into the higher level, 837 01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,920 you must have access to classified information. 838 01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:29,816 If MI5 don't agree to you having that clearance, 839 01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:33,520 if they take that clearance away from you, then your career is doomed. 840 01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:39,376 So, you never know about it, it is an invisible threat that is hanging over people all the time 841 01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,860 and therefore the danger is that MI5 842 01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:50,080 has almost an invisible degree of influence that really is way outside what it should be. 843 01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:56,080 And it is therefore virtually impossible to challenge MI5 on some of the decisions they make. 844 01:01:56,200 --> 01:02:00,720 Politicians are careerists, most of them they want to go up the ladder, become ministers, 845 01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:06,376 and if you start criticizing or investigating the army or the intelligence services, 846 01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:09,760 this will not do your career any good whatsoever. 847 01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:15,080 And this is also true for journalists, not a good career path. This is sticky stuff. 848 01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:18,276 People are saying well why are you fighting 849 01:02:18,300 --> 01:02:21,040 with the Army and the MOD, surely you are a part of that. 850 01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:25,440 I am only fighting with the MOD because I was given no choice, 851 01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:28,800 because the MOD didn't even talk to me. 852 01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:30,960 If I hadn't fought when I did 853 01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,200 I would probably still have a conviction 854 01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:37,800 and I still wouldn’t have got the admissions out of the government that we have now got. 855 01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:44,936 People realize that the full truth hasn't come out and although authorities think they may have been clever 856 01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:49,176 and believable to dodge around the issue the public have a totally different view. 857 01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:54,176 People are pretty aware of when things are not actually truthful 858 01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:57,456 and they know at the moment they haven't had the full truth about 859 01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:59,200 what has happened in Northern Ireland. 860 01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:06,160 So, can you give an example of the areas of the troubles that are still closed? 861 01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:13,240 I can't say precisely, because that would put me in jeopardy. 862 01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:18,520 And it would put Colin in deep jeopardy. 863 01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:21,800 But there are certain areas 864 01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:26,776 of the troubles which have simply not been talked about at all. 865 01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:30,280 There are things about, 866 01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:35,280 there is a suicide in Northern Ireland 867 01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:41,260 of a military intelligence officer, one of the key events. It is an official secret. 868 01:03:41,420 --> 01:03:47,940 A suicide is an official secret and so far no one has written about it. 869 01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:56,000 And some of the events around that are appalling, in that he ran agents, 870 01:03:56,320 --> 01:04:02,640 agents, who were 14 and 15 year old Catholic schoolgirls. 871 01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:08,880 This is how desperate the army at some stage became to get intelligence. 872 01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:13,320 And you kind of say: "How do you run a 14 year old Catholic schoolgirl." 873 01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:20,880 In the story of Colin Wallace 874 01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:25,120 the press helps direct the present by spreading fake news 875 01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:30,120 and the media helps digest the past by creating a discussion about the past. 876 01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:34,936 The role of departments of the state in creating and shaping reality 877 01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:36,457 is not acknowledged. 878 01:04:36,481 --> 01:04:39,480 And even after the media has become aware of this, 879 01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:43,520 it does not inform the public of the implications of that omission. 880 01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:49,480 Power is not held to account, no key decision makers are held to account, 881 01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:53,400 and they and their organizations make no admission of wrong-doing. 882 01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:58,920 The files that would serve as proof of their actions either destroyed or hidden. 883 01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:03,800 In this story the press serves as a complex mechanism 884 01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:06,840 that helps to reinforce and legitimize power. 885 01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:10,456 Allegations of wrong-doing and injustice 886 01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:13,216 become lost in inquiries and legal disputes, 887 01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:15,896 that drag on to this day and that most people 888 01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,080 no longer understand or believe. 889 01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:22,680 We are told that a free press will hold power to account. 890 01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:28,216 But what of those individuals and institutions that will never be held to account 891 01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:34,120 and have never been held to account. Should the press include that truth in its reporting? 892 01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:40,120 Or are some truths destined to be nothing more than versions of fake news? 893 01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:49,680 Former residents of the Kincora Boys’ Home are still fighting for justice. 894 01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:54,516 The British Home Office, Foreign Office, MI5 and MI6 continue to engage in PsyOps. 895 01:05:54,540 --> 01:05:58,976 The British Army’s psychological warfare unit is currently called "The 77th Brigade". 896 01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:03,600 Together they target Britain’s perceived enemies, real and imaginary, with impunity. 897 01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:10,496 Colin Wallace continues to participate as a witness in inquiries relating to his time in Northern Ireland. 898 01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:14,176 He lives on the same street, in the same house, in the same village where 899 01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:18,720 the unsolved murder of Jonathan Lewis took place over 40 years ago.