1 00:00:19,001 --> 00:00:21,161 Where's the cat? 2 00:00:24,681 --> 00:00:26,241 Where is it? 3 00:00:33,561 --> 00:00:35,241 Baby... 4 00:00:35,241 --> 00:00:36,561 I waved to him! 5 00:00:36,561 --> 00:00:37,801 It's red! 6 00:00:37,801 --> 00:00:40,961 I fucking could have made it through there. What the fuck? 7 00:00:41,481 --> 00:00:43,361 That's stupid! 8 00:00:43,361 --> 00:00:46,001 No, because... look, Chris... 9 00:00:46,001 --> 00:00:49,041 There is people in the middle, you will put great traffic... 10 00:00:49,041 --> 00:00:50,881 I would have been on right there. 11 00:00:52,001 --> 00:00:54,881 What's the problem with you? The law is the law. 12 00:00:56,161 --> 00:00:58,521 That's a judgment call, it wasn't red. 13 00:01:11,361 --> 00:01:13,361 You missed a piece... 14 00:01:24,561 --> 00:01:25,801 {\an8} What's up, man? 15 00:01:25,801 --> 00:01:28,801 {\an8} I'm selling the box : 30 €. 16 00:01:28,801 --> 00:01:32,761 {\an8} Yeah, but I play electric guitar. I don't play acoustic. 17 00:01:34,841 --> 00:01:39,361 {\an8} I'd put drugs in that thing. I'd put drugs in there. 18 00:01:40,521 --> 00:01:43,321 {\an8} "Chris Holmes on Radio Beat!" 19 00:01:43,321 --> 00:01:47,201 We've been talking about him during the last hour, 20 00:01:47,201 --> 00:01:52,761 finally, guitarist Chris Holmes is in our studio for the first time ever! 21 00:01:52,761 --> 00:01:58,561 Chris, for many people, you are an american rock star who leads a wild life. 22 00:01:58,561 --> 00:02:00,721 What do you think of the way people see you? 23 00:02:00,721 --> 00:02:02,721 I don't really care. 24 00:02:02,721 --> 00:02:05,121 They’re not the ones paying my bills. 25 00:02:05,121 --> 00:02:10,161 A rock star is somebody like Gene Simmons, 26 00:02:10,161 --> 00:02:12,961 who wants to be... 27 00:02:12,961 --> 00:02:16,721 They walk in the room and: "I'm a rock star." 28 00:02:16,721 --> 00:02:19,081 Me, it's a way of life or whatever. 29 00:02:19,081 --> 00:02:21,361 It's a personality, you know. 30 00:02:21,361 --> 00:02:25,281 I don't even have any memorabilia from W.A.S.P. 31 00:02:25,281 --> 00:02:28,001 Nothing. - Nothing left? 32 00:02:54,921 --> 00:02:57,441 The biggest part of the sound was Chris' guitar, 33 00:02:57,441 --> 00:03:00,121 and just his attitude, the way he played, man. 34 00:03:00,121 --> 00:03:03,761 He was like angry: "Motherfucker...!" 35 00:03:03,761 --> 00:03:07,601 He was angry and that was all part of the fuckin' attitude, man. 36 00:03:07,601 --> 00:03:11,041 Chris is a huge part of the W.A.S.P. sound for sure. 37 00:03:11,041 --> 00:03:13,841 His guitar tone and his parts are huge part of it. 38 00:03:13,841 --> 00:03:16,961 The most metal guy in that band, for sure. 39 00:03:16,961 --> 00:03:21,401 That guy was not messing around, he was living it. 40 00:03:21,401 --> 00:03:24,281 I recognize him as an icon in music. 41 00:03:24,281 --> 00:03:26,361 When I first got into heavy-metal, 42 00:03:26,361 --> 00:03:34,441 {\an8} W.A.S.P. and especially Chris Holmes, was one of the first inspirational figureheads. 43 00:03:34,441 --> 00:03:37,201 There was Ozzy, this was beyond KISS. 44 00:03:37,201 --> 00:03:39,801 I remember watching those pictures in the magazines, 45 00:03:39,801 --> 00:03:46,241 looking at Chris Holmes with the black eyeliner and the big blond hair... 46 00:03:46,241 --> 00:03:47,921 "That's a cool guy, I wanna be him." 47 00:03:47,921 --> 00:03:54,041 Chris was like the US version of Lemmy, back in the early 80s. 48 00:03:54,041 --> 00:03:59,001 He was Lemmy, but just more crazy, psycho, 49 00:03:59,001 --> 00:04:01,001 uncontrollable... 50 00:04:01,001 --> 00:04:03,561 That was rock n' roll. 51 00:04:03,561 --> 00:04:06,201 That's what the L.A. scene really needed, 52 00:04:06,201 --> 00:04:11,161 to take it out of that glam-rock stigma that was going on in L.A. 53 00:04:11,161 --> 00:04:15,441 The first two W.A.S.P. records are still two of my favorite records. 54 00:04:15,441 --> 00:04:20,361 {\an8} I remember listening to that, going: "I gotta move to L.A., 55 00:04:20,361 --> 00:04:22,401 'cause that's where that's happening." 56 00:04:22,401 --> 00:04:25,521 Those really inspired me to get my ass out there. 57 00:04:38,081 --> 00:04:41,361 My wife and I moved from L.A. to Europe, 58 00:04:41,361 --> 00:04:44,481 so we came to visit her parents, they live in Cannes. 59 00:04:44,481 --> 00:04:46,721 "No, baby, I see you..." 60 00:04:48,281 --> 00:04:51,041 People think that W.A.S.P. was successful or whatever... 61 00:04:51,041 --> 00:04:55,241 Yeah, we sold a lot of records and we were successful, 62 00:04:55,241 --> 00:04:58,401 but I didn't understand how the money worked and all that stuff, 63 00:04:58,401 --> 00:05:02,161 so all the contracts, I guess I signed away... 64 00:05:02,161 --> 00:05:06,401 I didn't even sign away my publishing, I never got any out of it. 65 00:05:06,401 --> 00:05:08,801 Freddie ! 66 00:05:11,001 --> 00:05:13,641 Don't kiss me or I'll fuckin' punch you. 67 00:05:19,401 --> 00:05:24,921 {\an8} My name is Frédéric Bujoli, I've been a lawyer for 15 years. 68 00:05:24,921 --> 00:05:28,841 {\an8} I'm a huge heavy-metal and hard-rock fan. 69 00:05:28,841 --> 00:05:33,841 {\an8} W.A.S.P. was of course one of the big 80s bands we listened to. 70 00:05:33,841 --> 00:05:38,121 {\an8} Chris is now a singer and looking towards the future, 71 00:05:38,121 --> 00:05:41,281 {\an8} but we need to restore his rights from his past. 72 00:05:41,281 --> 00:05:47,441 {\an8} Many things have not been settled since 1984. 73 00:05:49,801 --> 00:05:52,561 "Come over here, come here Ug." 74 00:05:52,561 --> 00:05:55,801 Here in France, a lot of people get mad that I don't speak French, 75 00:05:55,801 --> 00:06:00,041 but I don't sing in French. 76 00:06:00,041 --> 00:06:04,801 I'd learn English language first, before I learn French, but I still don't even know that. 77 00:06:04,801 --> 00:06:08,721 It's probably better that I don't understand what they say anyway. 78 00:06:10,361 --> 00:06:12,961 It's probably better that I don't understand it. 79 00:06:12,961 --> 00:06:17,481 Other than talking, there are other languages like this. 80 00:06:17,481 --> 00:06:20,561 That. 81 00:06:31,601 --> 00:06:33,161 Yo! 82 00:06:39,881 --> 00:06:45,081 This guy saw me play in L.A. in 1991. 83 00:06:45,081 --> 00:06:46,761 1991. 84 00:06:46,761 --> 00:06:48,201 A long time ago. 85 00:06:48,201 --> 00:06:50,361 I saw this fuckin' guy on stage. 86 00:06:51,761 --> 00:06:54,361 You can't break it. 87 00:06:55,001 --> 00:06:59,401 Hair dryer... I get my hair dry. 88 00:06:59,881 --> 00:07:03,561 Most of the people I've surrounded myself with in Hollywood, 89 00:07:03,561 --> 00:07:08,841 they just care about themselves: "What can you do for me?" 90 00:07:08,841 --> 00:07:14,961 Most of all other girls in my life, they really didn't give a crap about my career, 91 00:07:14,961 --> 00:07:17,521 or me playing music, or anything like that. 92 00:07:17,521 --> 00:07:21,561 Sarah kinda cared about what I did musically. 93 00:07:21,561 --> 00:07:27,161 {\an8} We spent a whole evening talking. 94 00:07:27,161 --> 00:07:30,001 {\an8} He told me about his life, I told him about mine. 95 00:07:30,001 --> 00:07:32,841 {\an8} It was natural and we never left each other. 96 00:07:34,121 --> 00:07:38,001 {\an8} Baby, there are people around, you can't do that now. 97 00:07:38,001 --> 00:07:41,321 {\an8} This was my previous wife, before. 98 00:07:41,321 --> 00:07:45,201 {\an8} She gives me a hug in the front. 99 00:08:20,321 --> 00:08:27,601 We've got ten minutes before my first gig I ever sang in my life. 100 00:08:28,281 --> 00:08:31,401 It's kind of a new chapter for me. 101 00:08:35,481 --> 00:08:39,561 It's great now because I don't have to put up with the L.S.D. 102 00:08:39,561 --> 00:08:43,281 It's called Lead Singer Disease. 103 00:08:43,281 --> 00:08:44,841 I've put up with that all my life. 104 00:08:44,841 --> 00:08:48,241 I'm not saying that all lead singers are assholes. 105 00:08:48,241 --> 00:08:50,561 A lot of them are. 106 00:08:50,561 --> 00:08:55,321 The lead singer I worked with for years was really hard to work with. 107 00:08:55,321 --> 00:08:57,281 That makes the other guys really nice, 108 00:08:57,281 --> 00:08:59,401 even if they're not, right? 109 00:10:29,481 --> 00:10:32,681 I like the part that makes people happy, 110 00:10:32,681 --> 00:10:35,161 makes me put some smile on their face. 111 00:10:35,161 --> 00:10:39,321 People bring their own records and want them signed. You've gotta do that. 112 00:10:39,321 --> 00:10:45,001 They get to take a picture with somebody they probably never thought they would be able to. 113 00:10:45,001 --> 00:10:48,001 You see a lot of people smile and say thanks, 114 00:10:48,001 --> 00:10:49,921 I like that. 115 00:10:49,921 --> 00:10:51,881 I don't like making people sad. 116 00:10:52,241 --> 00:10:54,881 - Good night! - Thank you! 117 00:10:55,401 --> 00:10:57,521 I am the one and only Blackie Lawless, 118 00:10:57,521 --> 00:11:00,601 and this is Chris Holmes: speak for them, Chris! 119 00:11:01,001 --> 00:11:03,681 Sometimes he has to... stop! 120 00:11:21,361 --> 00:11:24,721 W.A.S.P. were likes of new wave of shock band. 121 00:11:24,721 --> 00:11:26,921 They were really good as well. 122 00:11:26,921 --> 00:11:30,561 They took "God of Thunder" by KISS and they built on that. 123 00:11:30,561 --> 00:11:33,601 How could you not love the theatrics? 124 00:11:33,601 --> 00:11:38,481 First time I heard the song "Fuck Like a Beast", I was just on the floor laughing. 125 00:11:38,481 --> 00:11:42,401 {\an8} I was reading the only magazine for popular music in Sweden, growing up, 126 00:11:42,401 --> 00:11:45,881 {\an8} and W.A.S.P. had just come out with their first album, 127 00:11:45,881 --> 00:11:50,641 it was like an uproar in Sweden, everybody was outraged about this new music. 128 00:11:50,641 --> 00:11:53,681 When you paid for your ticket to go watch W.A.S.P., 129 00:11:53,681 --> 00:11:56,161 your shirt was worn-out when you walked out there, 130 00:11:56,161 --> 00:11:59,841 'cause you just got entertained for an hour and a half, in a big way. 131 00:12:16,961 --> 00:12:19,801 The first show they did was like on a Tuesday night. 132 00:12:19,801 --> 00:12:25,721 At that time, there was no Internet, no cellphones or big clunky things. 133 00:12:25,721 --> 00:12:28,561 They had a couple hundred people from word of mouth. 134 00:12:28,561 --> 00:12:32,161 That's when they tortured the girl on the rack. 135 00:12:32,161 --> 00:12:35,361 The story goes that the next Saturday, they kicked the headliner off, 136 00:12:35,361 --> 00:12:38,801 they put W.A.S.P. on it and 3.000 people came down. 137 00:12:38,801 --> 00:12:40,881 The fire marshalls wanted to shut them down. 138 00:12:40,881 --> 00:12:44,681 Blackie's idea was costumes that have weaponry. 139 00:12:44,681 --> 00:12:48,961 He had sawblades, bolts, lag bolts, 140 00:12:48,961 --> 00:12:53,681 and that stupid saw between his legs, I knew that was gonna be trouble. 141 00:12:53,681 --> 00:12:56,721 I heard later he blew himself up one time. 142 00:13:28,961 --> 00:13:32,601 It was scary because who the hell is eating raw meat on stage, 143 00:13:32,601 --> 00:13:35,281 and then throwing it at the crowd, and the crowd loving it? 144 00:13:35,281 --> 00:13:38,441 It was insane. I never wanted to be in the front row, 145 00:13:38,441 --> 00:13:40,561 I'd stay in the back because I didn't want to get hit by some raw meat. 146 00:13:40,561 --> 00:13:42,361 {\an8} It was very scary, 147 00:13:42,361 --> 00:13:47,241 {\an8} to see these huge men come out on stage, fire everywhere, smoke going off... 148 00:13:47,241 --> 00:13:50,441 Blackie actually came up with the idea for the fire sign, 149 00:13:50,441 --> 00:13:53,481 but he wanted to do it round, with the name in the middle. 150 00:13:53,481 --> 00:13:56,921 I said "no, just frame the name". 151 00:13:56,921 --> 00:13:59,241 Frame the name in big letters, 152 00:13:59,241 --> 00:14:01,481 we'll get fire resistant paint, 153 00:14:01,481 --> 00:14:03,961 'cause the letters were just wood, 154 00:14:03,961 --> 00:14:07,001 double-coat so nothing will burn, put bolts in it, 155 00:14:07,001 --> 00:14:09,481 scratch'em up a lot, make them look nasty, 156 00:14:09,481 --> 00:14:12,561 and then blow this flame up around 157 00:14:12,561 --> 00:14:16,161 with two 5-gallon tanks of propane, that's one of them right back there. 158 00:14:16,161 --> 00:14:19,201 One of the original propane tanks. 159 00:14:19,201 --> 00:14:22,441 And just doing crazy shit... 160 00:14:41,001 --> 00:14:42,881 Chris was wild. 161 00:14:42,881 --> 00:14:44,441 He is a showman. 162 00:14:44,441 --> 00:14:50,441 He could be just tired, not in a good mood or bummed out, 163 00:14:50,441 --> 00:14:55,801 soon as the lights hit, he was an animal. 164 00:14:55,801 --> 00:15:03,041 I always relied on, first of all the music that comes out of my hands, 165 00:15:03,041 --> 00:15:06,401 through the guitar, trough the speaker cabinets, 166 00:15:06,401 --> 00:15:09,961 off the stage. That's what people are gonna get. 167 00:15:09,961 --> 00:15:13,281 The theatrics... I don't know... 168 00:15:13,281 --> 00:15:19,961 I look at like like people that have to do it, they're not good enough to be themselves. 169 00:15:19,961 --> 00:15:24,521 They're not good enough to be on stage and people buying a ticket to watch it. 170 00:15:24,521 --> 00:15:26,481 Myself is. I am. 171 00:15:26,481 --> 00:15:29,241 He could do without the costumes, 172 00:15:29,241 --> 00:15:32,561 which is why he cut the butt off of his original costume. 173 00:15:32,561 --> 00:15:34,961 He said "If I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do it my way." 174 00:15:34,961 --> 00:15:37,961 I saw the film Jimi Hendrix and... 175 00:15:38,841 --> 00:15:41,761 That's my dog. He's Ug. 176 00:15:42,241 --> 00:15:45,281 I saw the film Jimi Hendrix and... 177 00:15:45,881 --> 00:15:48,681 The way he played, jumping around... 178 00:15:48,681 --> 00:15:51,161 I dug it man, that's all I wanted to do. 179 00:15:51,161 --> 00:15:53,201 I never thought of myself: 180 00:15:53,201 --> 00:15:56,481 "Wow, ok, I'll create this guy, Chris Holmes." 181 00:16:21,521 --> 00:16:25,361 Gotta be always filming! 182 00:16:25,961 --> 00:16:29,641 You gotta hang that thing around your neck. 183 00:16:33,041 --> 00:16:34,561 That's it, right? 184 00:16:34,561 --> 00:16:36,521 Move that piece of shit! 185 00:16:36,521 --> 00:16:38,681 - Chris! - What? 186 00:17:02,401 --> 00:17:07,481 The sound is ok, but when you play, it's too loud. 187 00:17:07,481 --> 00:17:12,001 It's heavy metal, you can't ask Chris Holmes to play down like he plays disco! 188 00:17:12,001 --> 00:17:15,081 Hey, who fucked up on the soundcheck? 189 00:17:15,081 --> 00:17:18,041 These guys are waiting for us. 190 00:17:19,161 --> 00:17:21,041 Why do you look at me when you do that? 191 00:17:21,041 --> 00:17:23,241 Sarah, I'm not saying you did. 192 00:17:23,241 --> 00:17:24,841 We play at 10? 193 00:17:51,681 --> 00:17:53,961 {\an8} My amp's fucked! 194 00:18:21,481 --> 00:18:23,721 How you doin'? 195 00:18:24,361 --> 00:18:25,841 What's up? 196 00:18:30,801 --> 00:18:33,201 I have to thank for one thing my wife Sarah, 197 00:18:33,201 --> 00:18:36,801 if it wasn't for her, I wouldn't be here at all. 198 00:18:39,361 --> 00:18:41,721 I'll be at home in my closet, drinking, 199 00:18:41,721 --> 00:18:44,161 smoking dope, doing nothing... 200 00:18:50,001 --> 00:18:51,881 Thank you very much! 201 00:19:00,961 --> 00:19:04,201 First time that I listen to Mean Man. 202 00:19:04,201 --> 00:19:05,721 Really good music for me. 203 00:19:05,721 --> 00:19:07,241 Nice to meet you. 204 00:19:07,241 --> 00:19:08,881 Czech Republic, Prague! 205 00:19:11,201 --> 00:19:12,761 You deserve a kiss! 206 00:19:12,761 --> 00:19:14,681 Oh thank you! 207 00:19:14,681 --> 00:19:17,841 My husband thinks that he's the best guitar player ever. 208 00:19:19,041 --> 00:19:21,841 Rock n' roll! 209 00:19:31,761 --> 00:19:34,241 God, I wished my fuckin' amp worked, man. 210 00:19:34,241 --> 00:19:36,881 We're going to change that when we go back, baby. 211 00:19:36,881 --> 00:19:37,961 That was a bummer. 212 00:19:37,961 --> 00:19:39,961 You all made a great show. 213 00:19:41,121 --> 00:19:43,201 Baby, stop, stop, stop! 214 00:19:43,201 --> 00:19:44,961 Chris, people are sleeping! 215 00:19:44,961 --> 00:19:47,081 I know, that's why I do it. 216 00:19:49,801 --> 00:19:54,001 Do you like more to record or playing live? 217 00:19:54,001 --> 00:19:55,121 I like playing live. 218 00:19:55,121 --> 00:19:58,601 If I had a choice it would be playing live. 219 00:19:58,601 --> 00:20:02,521 How does it feel when your own wife is managing you? 220 00:20:03,561 --> 00:20:05,881 I don't trust anybody else. 221 00:20:05,881 --> 00:20:07,761 I never got a penny out of W.A.S.P. 222 00:20:07,761 --> 00:20:10,601 I've been "famous" but... 223 00:20:10,601 --> 00:20:16,761 All my publishing money goes right into somebody's pocket. 224 00:20:16,761 --> 00:20:21,481 I trusted somebody who I shouldn't have trusted. 225 00:20:24,161 --> 00:20:26,401 My name's on the record as a songwriter, 226 00:20:26,401 --> 00:20:29,041 but I don't get the money for it. 227 00:20:29,041 --> 00:20:33,121 I saw some fans last night singing the songs that I wrote. 228 00:20:33,121 --> 00:20:34,641 That made me happy. 229 00:20:35,161 --> 00:20:36,881 How do you rest after concerts? 230 00:20:37,361 --> 00:20:38,761 Rest? 231 00:20:38,761 --> 00:20:40,841 Usually I lay parallel... 232 00:20:41,881 --> 00:20:44,681 I'd like to play on top of Mount Everest. 233 00:20:44,681 --> 00:20:46,081 You think you can do it? 234 00:20:46,081 --> 00:20:48,961 I don't know, I always had a dream to walk there, 235 00:20:48,961 --> 00:20:51,081 take acoustic guitar, 236 00:20:51,081 --> 00:20:53,081 play "Yankee Doodle Dandy" or something... 237 00:20:53,081 --> 00:20:56,121 "Kumbaya"... 238 00:20:56,601 --> 00:20:59,041 Getting there and play "Fuck Like a Beast"... 239 00:21:06,841 --> 00:21:08,601 That's my beard. 240 00:21:09,561 --> 00:21:12,721 This is what happens when you don't shave. 241 00:21:38,361 --> 00:21:43,561 I miss the part of when I traveled on the bus, 242 00:21:43,561 --> 00:21:47,201 and I didn't have to worry about my instruments, or guitars, or anything. 243 00:21:47,201 --> 00:21:49,801 I'd walk in the soundcheck, play a few notes, 244 00:21:49,801 --> 00:21:53,361 give the roadies the guitar, then come out and play. Just had to take care of myself. 245 00:21:53,361 --> 00:21:58,521 Since I'm starting out again, I've got to worry about my stuff. 246 00:21:58,521 --> 00:22:02,321 It's a little harder, but I like to play, you know. 247 00:22:02,321 --> 00:22:04,081 Is that everything? 248 00:22:05,201 --> 00:22:09,761 A lot of people from the 80s are not playing anymore. 249 00:22:09,761 --> 00:22:15,481 One good think, I can still walk, I'm kind of in good health, I guess. 250 00:22:27,601 --> 00:22:30,481 Can I just look at the engine? 251 00:22:31,401 --> 00:22:33,961 I wanna see the engine. I'm from America. 252 00:22:33,961 --> 00:22:36,561 I'm from America, I'm just kind of curious. 253 00:22:36,561 --> 00:22:39,641 - What's this? - The air... 254 00:22:40,401 --> 00:22:43,001 Hot and cold. 255 00:22:43,001 --> 00:22:45,001 It's got a turbocharger on it. 256 00:22:47,481 --> 00:22:49,801 - What kind of car is that? - Germany car. 257 00:22:49,801 --> 00:22:55,161 - What year? - Trabant 1968. 258 00:22:55,161 --> 00:22:57,281 It's cool. Thanks for showing me that. 259 00:22:57,281 --> 00:22:59,601 Big motorcycle. 260 00:23:02,041 --> 00:23:04,561 Thanks for showing me that, I appreciate it. 261 00:23:04,561 --> 00:23:06,881 I'd never seen a car like that in my life. 262 00:23:06,881 --> 00:23:08,681 Man, a two-stroke! 263 00:23:27,641 --> 00:23:29,361 Chris Holmes was a character. 264 00:23:29,361 --> 00:23:35,401 {\an8} Everybody in L.A. that was into hard-rock and metal knew of Chris Holmes. 265 00:23:35,401 --> 00:23:39,161 He was really an icon in the L.A. hard-rock and metal scene. 266 00:23:39,161 --> 00:23:41,361 I remember actually the photo shoot, 267 00:23:41,361 --> 00:23:45,441 when Chris was sitting on that chopper frame. 268 00:23:45,441 --> 00:23:49,521 He had a barrel, a beer and a cigar. We were wasted that day. 269 00:23:51,001 --> 00:23:54,081 That was at Neil Zlozower's studio in Hollywood. 270 00:23:54,081 --> 00:23:56,961 Me and Chris were outside with the homeless street people, drinking and shit. 271 00:23:57,881 --> 00:24:02,001 Blackie was pissed off inside because we were out there getting drunk 272 00:24:02,001 --> 00:24:04,681 outside in Hollywood... That's a true story. 273 00:24:12,121 --> 00:24:14,401 Get the fuck out. 274 00:24:14,401 --> 00:24:16,641 Excuse me man, these guys make me crazy. 275 00:24:20,681 --> 00:24:23,201 We got a record deal within a year. 276 00:24:23,201 --> 00:24:25,921 We got one within nine months. 277 00:24:25,921 --> 00:24:31,361 With Rod Smallwood at Capitol Records, that's how we hit the big time. 278 00:24:31,361 --> 00:24:34,961 I was just happy making money on playing music. 279 00:24:34,961 --> 00:24:37,681 I started off with 125$ a week, 280 00:24:37,681 --> 00:24:39,961 that was great. 281 00:24:39,961 --> 00:24:41,921 Before that, I wasn't making nothing. 282 00:24:41,921 --> 00:24:47,801 If I would have understood how the publishing and all that shit worked then, 283 00:24:47,801 --> 00:24:51,641 Blackie and I would have went head to head and I wouldn't have been in the band that long. 284 00:24:51,641 --> 00:24:54,281 He would have fired me real quick. 285 00:24:54,841 --> 00:24:57,841 Sure, everybody wants to be successful. 286 00:24:57,841 --> 00:25:01,321 I wanted to play hard-rock. Do what Jimi Hendrix did. 287 00:25:01,321 --> 00:25:07,441 To get to that level, there's a lot of business crap you've got to take care of. 288 00:25:07,441 --> 00:25:13,201 Everyday photo sessions, this and that... just for the business... 289 00:25:13,201 --> 00:25:16,601 We signed with Rod Smallwood, 290 00:25:16,601 --> 00:25:20,921 they were like a bank, so at that point we had all the money we needed 291 00:25:20,921 --> 00:25:25,161 to get the band off the road, you know. 292 00:25:25,161 --> 00:25:27,681 In the beginning, it was all for one, one for all. 293 00:25:27,681 --> 00:25:30,961 Everybody puttin' in what they did. 294 00:25:30,961 --> 00:25:36,361 After the first record, Blackie wanted it just to be him. 295 00:25:36,361 --> 00:25:38,561 He didn't want the other guys in the band. 296 00:25:38,561 --> 00:25:40,881 Look at the records: should I say anymore? 297 00:25:40,881 --> 00:25:45,161 Who's on the cover of the second one? Who's on the cover of the third one? 298 00:25:45,161 --> 00:25:48,761 He didn't want it to be a band after the first album, 299 00:25:48,761 --> 00:25:51,241 he just wanted it to be the Blackie Lawless project. 300 00:25:51,241 --> 00:25:53,321 After that I really didn't give a shit about it. 301 00:25:55,121 --> 00:25:58,161 - When you were a little kid, did you want to be a rock star? - Yes I did. 302 00:25:58,161 --> 00:25:59,801 Definitely. 303 00:25:59,801 --> 00:26:01,961 But she wouldn't let me... 304 00:26:03,081 --> 00:26:07,881 Hello mom, can I take a rock guitar? She says, well... 305 00:26:07,881 --> 00:26:13,761 No you can't, 'cause you'll turn into those drug infested rockstars. 306 00:26:14,681 --> 00:26:18,801 - Do you consider yourself... - A piece of crap. 307 00:26:19,401 --> 00:26:20,681 Why ? 308 00:26:20,681 --> 00:26:24,921 Well, because I work the job... and I'm a piece of crap. 309 00:26:28,681 --> 00:26:30,881 What do you think you're gonna be doing ten years from now? 310 00:26:30,881 --> 00:26:34,161 I'll probably be dead. You'll come and see me in my graveyard. 311 00:26:34,161 --> 00:26:41,201 Do you think this kind of rock n' roll lifestyle is hard on you and maybe that's why you drink? 312 00:26:41,201 --> 00:26:44,401 I'm a full-blown alcoholic, 313 00:26:44,401 --> 00:26:47,881 and I drink because... look... 314 00:26:52,281 --> 00:26:57,281 He's gonna be remembered for that for the rest of his life, at some point. 315 00:26:57,281 --> 00:26:59,401 Somebody will bring it up again. 316 00:26:59,401 --> 00:27:03,321 But that's rock n' roll...! 317 00:27:06,361 --> 00:27:11,881 I think I had the same reaction as everybody. I mean, it was sad. 318 00:27:11,881 --> 00:27:15,961 I always wondered how much of it was real. 319 00:27:16,801 --> 00:27:20,281 Over the years, I've had that conversation with him several times: 320 00:27:20,281 --> 00:27:23,041 depending on what his mood is, he gives me a different answer. 321 00:27:23,041 --> 00:27:25,881 That was vodka, that was real. 322 00:27:25,881 --> 00:27:28,601 That thing about me and Chris, we never... 323 00:27:28,601 --> 00:27:32,921 These guys, they put ice-tea and people think they're drinking Jack Daniel's on stage... 324 00:27:34,481 --> 00:27:36,401 It was water, for Christ's sake! 325 00:27:36,401 --> 00:27:40,281 Chris is not gonna pour a whole bottle of vodka over his head. 326 00:27:40,281 --> 00:27:41,801 That's a waste of vodka. 327 00:27:41,801 --> 00:27:45,441 When I did "The Decline", Blackie was flaming pissed. 328 00:27:46,681 --> 00:27:48,361 He flipped out. 329 00:27:48,361 --> 00:27:52,321 But I had already done it behind his back, I didn't really care at that point. 330 00:27:52,321 --> 00:27:55,601 Penelope called him and wanted him to do it. 331 00:27:55,601 --> 00:27:59,601 But he wanted budget to do this and that... 332 00:27:59,601 --> 00:28:02,561 She didn't have the budget for it, so she asked me to do an interview. 333 00:28:02,561 --> 00:28:06,641 To me, it was just a stupid interview... 334 00:28:09,321 --> 00:28:15,921 Chris is a natural rolled out of bed rock star. 335 00:28:15,921 --> 00:28:17,961 Blackie Lawless is Steven Duren 336 00:28:17,961 --> 00:28:21,081 that turns into Blackie Lawless and then turns back into Steven Duren. 337 00:28:21,081 --> 00:28:23,681 Chris Holmes is Chris Holmes the whole fuckin' time. 338 00:28:24,201 --> 00:28:28,201 The only way I can explain it is: 339 00:28:28,201 --> 00:28:30,841 here is the bus, it goes down the highway, 340 00:28:30,841 --> 00:28:32,681 the bus stops at the show, 341 00:28:32,681 --> 00:28:35,561 Steven Duren gets off the bus, 342 00:28:35,561 --> 00:28:38,361 goes in, puts on Blackie Lawless, 343 00:28:38,361 --> 00:28:41,201 does the Blackie Lawless show, 344 00:28:41,201 --> 00:28:44,201 gets off-stage, takes off Blackie Lawless, 345 00:28:44,201 --> 00:28:47,321 walks out the dressing room: Steven Duren, then he gets on the bus. 346 00:28:47,321 --> 00:28:51,201 Blackie doesn't love interacting with people, 347 00:28:51,201 --> 00:28:53,801 that's why he doesn't do the fan thing that much. 348 00:28:53,801 --> 00:28:55,041 Holmes loves people. 349 00:28:55,041 --> 00:28:57,801 There's this whole line of kids. 350 00:29:00,081 --> 00:29:03,081 Chris comes up to the bus. 351 00:29:04,321 --> 00:29:07,801 The kids go "Hey, can we get your autograph?" He's like "Absolutely!" 352 00:29:07,801 --> 00:29:12,521 He goes on the bus and Blackie Lawless rips him one, dude... 353 00:29:12,521 --> 00:29:16,041 "Don't ever do that. Don't ever go for the kids and do that. 354 00:29:16,041 --> 00:29:18,081 You're wasting our time..." 355 00:29:18,081 --> 00:29:20,921 He's like: "What? They're all fans." 356 00:29:20,921 --> 00:29:23,001 He used to hold Chris back. 357 00:29:23,001 --> 00:29:26,481 On stage you can't hold Chris back. He's gonna be Chris on stage. 358 00:29:26,481 --> 00:29:29,081 That means jumping, that means spinning, 359 00:29:29,081 --> 00:29:31,961 skipping, everything...! 360 00:29:31,961 --> 00:29:35,081 But in the studio, Blackie would hold him back: 361 00:29:35,081 --> 00:29:40,681 would keep his level down, wouldn't let him play some of the leads he wanted to play... 362 00:29:40,681 --> 00:29:42,481 He was always telling him what to do. 363 00:29:42,481 --> 00:29:43,641 My feeling was always like: 364 00:29:43,641 --> 00:29:47,401 "You hired this guy to play in your band because of a certain sound, 365 00:29:47,401 --> 00:29:50,801 and you don't want him to have that certain sound?" That's ridiculous. 366 00:29:56,841 --> 00:29:59,121 Here we are in beautiful Paris. 367 00:29:59,121 --> 00:30:02,961 As you see, this is a house of worship up here. 368 00:30:02,961 --> 00:30:06,281 It's called Pierre-Versailles, whatever... 369 00:30:06,281 --> 00:30:07,961 And if you look over here, 370 00:30:07,961 --> 00:30:11,401 there's the most famous icon in the world, right here. 371 00:30:11,401 --> 00:30:13,361 Some guy named Eiffel built it. 372 00:30:13,361 --> 00:30:18,681 I don't know if that's his first name or his last name, but it's a big famous icon. 373 00:30:25,001 --> 00:30:27,201 You can't touch, baby. 374 00:30:28,241 --> 00:30:29,841 Superman! 375 00:30:35,841 --> 00:30:38,561 An angel... 376 00:30:44,441 --> 00:30:46,081 That painting ain't shit. 377 00:30:46,081 --> 00:30:47,881 Cupcake! 378 00:30:57,721 --> 00:30:58,961 Cupcake! 379 00:30:58,961 --> 00:31:00,641 I love you! 380 00:31:00,641 --> 00:31:02,561 We're gonna get high! 381 00:31:03,281 --> 00:31:05,681 Wow, that's a view. 382 00:31:26,481 --> 00:31:28,561 {\an8} Nice to meet you. 383 00:31:28,561 --> 00:31:31,281 - My lady... - Thank you. 384 00:31:31,281 --> 00:31:34,361 - My name is Pierre. - What's up Pierre? 385 00:31:34,361 --> 00:31:36,561 I"m very impressed. 386 00:31:37,361 --> 00:31:39,441 What do you feed the cat with? 387 00:31:39,441 --> 00:31:42,601 It's my cat. His name is Miu. 388 00:31:45,681 --> 00:31:48,441 The cat's huge. It's the biggest cat I've ever seen! 389 00:31:48,441 --> 00:31:51,761 And these are all the people I have photographed. 390 00:31:51,761 --> 00:31:54,681 Famous French actors... 391 00:31:54,681 --> 00:31:57,961 You know the light? It's a movie light. 392 00:31:57,961 --> 00:32:01,401 Like the light in the movies in 1930. 393 00:32:01,401 --> 00:32:07,001 You have one, two, three, four, five lights for you. 394 00:32:07,001 --> 00:32:10,361 {\an8} Get ready... Great! 395 00:32:13,121 --> 00:32:17,361 - This is the gold light... - That's a reflector light. 396 00:32:17,361 --> 00:32:19,441 Look! 397 00:32:19,441 --> 00:32:21,641 You are the Lord of the Rings. 398 00:32:22,961 --> 00:32:25,561 {\an8} Up! Up! 399 00:32:25,561 --> 00:32:30,201 {\an8} Beautiful. One, two, three... 400 00:32:32,241 --> 00:32:34,401 {\an8} Very nice, my dear. Wait! 401 00:32:34,401 --> 00:32:36,921 Yes, yes. 402 00:32:39,241 --> 00:32:40,601 {\an8} Got it! 403 00:32:40,601 --> 00:32:44,081 {\an8} I'm very impressed. He has a unique presence. 404 00:32:44,081 --> 00:32:46,801 {\an8} He doesn't confide easily. 405 00:32:46,801 --> 00:32:50,361 {\an8} He has a great future ahead. 406 00:32:50,961 --> 00:32:55,281 {\an8} He has a real presence, it only takes four shots. 407 00:33:31,161 --> 00:33:34,161 I remember meeting each other at the NAMM show. 408 00:33:36,281 --> 00:33:38,521 {\an8} Chris Holmes comes walking. 409 00:33:38,521 --> 00:33:42,681 {\an8} Doesn't matter the size of the room, the room got really small. 410 00:33:42,681 --> 00:33:45,881 When Chris is in the room, there's no space left. 411 00:33:50,121 --> 00:33:56,041 One thing about Chris is he got along with all others musicians and bands. 412 00:33:56,041 --> 00:33:59,481 There was only one one musician and one band, and that was Blackie Lawless, 413 00:33:59,481 --> 00:34:02,521 that he didn't get along with very well. Otherwise he gets along with everybody. 414 00:34:02,521 --> 00:34:05,681 {\an8} We all loved Chris and he was just great to have around. 415 00:34:05,681 --> 00:34:09,081 {\an8} I think he actually hung out with us a lot more than he hung out with his own band. 416 00:34:09,081 --> 00:34:12,961 In 1985-86, I was doing security for Black Sabbath, 417 00:34:12,961 --> 00:34:19,201 Chris kept showing up at Tony Iommi's door at 3 or 4 in the morning. 418 00:34:19,201 --> 00:34:23,241 "Come on Tony, let's go party!" I had to go out, because Tony was my guy. 419 00:34:23,241 --> 00:34:28,081 I finally told Chris: "You have to stop coming in the room at 3 or 4 in the morning. 420 00:34:28,081 --> 00:34:31,041 You're killing me. I need to sleep at some point." 421 00:34:31,041 --> 00:34:33,721 "Fuck off! I don't care!" 422 00:34:33,721 --> 00:34:36,321 That's the sound Chris was always after. 423 00:34:36,321 --> 00:34:38,801 He wanted to get Tony Iommi's sound. 424 00:34:38,801 --> 00:34:41,681 Funny thing is, he met Tony Iommi on a tour, 425 00:34:41,681 --> 00:34:45,881 Tony Iommi said "I've been trying to get your sound for the last ten years." 426 00:34:47,041 --> 00:34:51,081 Basically one of his guitar gods, to say "I love your sound", 427 00:34:51,081 --> 00:34:52,921 that's pretty unusual. 428 00:34:54,321 --> 00:34:57,441 He's my idol, he's great. 429 00:34:57,961 --> 00:35:01,161 I did lots of chemicals with him, and drank... 430 00:35:01,161 --> 00:35:04,881 It was great touring with him, that was 30 years ago... 431 00:35:04,881 --> 00:35:06,521 We were touring with Maiden, 432 00:35:06,521 --> 00:35:10,601 we climbed up in the truss, above the stage, Maiden was on stage. 433 00:35:10,601 --> 00:35:15,161 We were above Nicko yelling down: "Fuck you! Nicko you suck, man!" 434 00:35:16,801 --> 00:35:19,921 He's looking up and he's going like this. 435 00:35:19,921 --> 00:35:22,681 Anyway, they were between songs, 436 00:35:22,681 --> 00:35:25,561 and Bruce was in front of the stage talking to the audience. 437 00:35:25,561 --> 00:35:28,521 Chris took this apple and let it go, 438 00:35:28,521 --> 00:35:31,681 and it hit Nicko in his face. 439 00:35:34,161 --> 00:35:36,161 It's just a funny story, nobody know what goes on. 440 00:35:36,161 --> 00:35:39,081 He hit him in face. "I'll kill you motherfucker!" 441 00:35:39,081 --> 00:35:42,561 When it's time to turn on the Chris Holmes button, 442 00:35:42,561 --> 00:35:45,841 then he turns it on and it's overdrive, it's way over the top. 443 00:35:45,841 --> 00:35:50,401 We were playing in Lisbon in Portugal and we had a day off. 444 00:35:50,401 --> 00:35:52,201 Everyone knew that W.A.S.P. was in town. 445 00:35:52,201 --> 00:35:56,841 Every bar that me and Chris went to, we had free drinks, free food... 446 00:35:56,841 --> 00:36:00,561 We wound back at the hotel, I remember crawling on the grass... 447 00:36:24,521 --> 00:36:30,201 When I first met Chris, he was kind of a shy surfer-looking guy with long blond hair, 448 00:36:30,201 --> 00:36:34,281 committed to playing guitar, that's all he cared about. 449 00:36:34,281 --> 00:36:37,881 As you get out into the world and discover alcohol, 450 00:36:37,881 --> 00:36:42,721 and other things that everybody seemed to be doing back at that time period, 451 00:36:43,281 --> 00:36:45,481 it's easy to fall into that trap. 452 00:36:45,481 --> 00:36:50,041 I'd just go out to the clubs, get drunk and piss people off. 453 00:36:50,041 --> 00:36:52,561 I'd play rock star or whatever... 454 00:36:52,561 --> 00:36:56,481 I always thought he'd never make it past 30. 455 00:37:03,801 --> 00:37:06,641 I met Lita Ford at the Cathouse. 456 00:37:06,641 --> 00:37:11,201 She was doing the album "Close My Eyes Forever". 457 00:37:11,201 --> 00:37:14,801 She was kind of big, I was big at the same time, we hooked up... 458 00:37:14,801 --> 00:37:18,041 She tried to get me to stop drinking, but I wouldn't stop drinking. 459 00:37:18,041 --> 00:37:21,521 I wasn't surprised or impressed, I was happy for him. 460 00:37:21,521 --> 00:37:26,521 I think it was an important part of his life as far as him maturing as a guitar player. 461 00:37:26,521 --> 00:37:29,241 That was a big time in his life. 462 00:37:29,241 --> 00:37:33,481 That was the first that he bought a house that he could call his. 463 00:37:33,481 --> 00:37:36,641 I used to see them together: they got along well, they both drank... 464 00:37:36,641 --> 00:37:38,361 They both had a great time. 465 00:37:38,361 --> 00:37:42,881 {\an8} She was too music, and he was music. 466 00:37:42,881 --> 00:37:49,761 {\an8} You can't deal with one going on tour, the other one's home, the other goes on tour... 467 00:37:49,761 --> 00:37:52,521 You just can't have a couple. 468 00:37:52,521 --> 00:37:56,481 {\an8} From North America, with their spectacular heavy sound, 469 00:37:56,481 --> 00:37:58,521 {\an8} here is W.A.S.P.! 470 00:38:22,721 --> 00:38:28,041 It's sad to change band members so many times in W.A.S.P. 471 00:38:28,041 --> 00:38:30,041 People don't like seeing that. 472 00:38:30,041 --> 00:38:33,441 What made the band eventually killed it. 473 00:38:33,441 --> 00:38:35,561 An ego. 474 00:38:35,561 --> 00:38:37,601 You've ever seen me in a guitar magazine? 475 00:38:37,601 --> 00:38:41,361 I've never been on a guitar magazine in my life, not one. 476 00:38:41,361 --> 00:38:45,881 Blackie decides who's gonna do interviews: he would never let me do them, 477 00:38:45,881 --> 00:38:47,481 because I'd get more press. 478 00:38:48,401 --> 00:38:53,601 My personality kept me from doing most of the interviews. 479 00:39:14,961 --> 00:39:16,521 I knew Chris was angry. 480 00:39:16,521 --> 00:39:21,081 Chris holds it in and pretty soon Chris is gonna explode. 481 00:39:21,081 --> 00:39:22,521 That's the way he is. 482 00:39:22,521 --> 00:39:26,721 Blackie, I knew, was gonna do more and more to put him down. 483 00:39:26,721 --> 00:39:29,201 He wanted it to be the Blackie Lawless show. 484 00:39:29,201 --> 00:39:33,321 He kept Chris in the background as much as he could, 485 00:39:33,321 --> 00:39:35,281 with interviews, 486 00:39:35,281 --> 00:39:40,321 with how much he'd allow him to turn up in the studio, different little things... 487 00:39:40,961 --> 00:39:43,761 He didn't like to share the spotlight. 488 00:39:43,761 --> 00:39:49,561 I left W.A.S.P. in 1991. 489 00:39:49,561 --> 00:39:55,801 I just couldn't take Blackie's bullshit of just him, him, him and the band. 490 00:39:57,561 --> 00:40:00,881 Some things were lied to me about. 491 00:40:00,881 --> 00:40:06,481 I just didn't want to take it, it got to the point where I wanted nothing to do with W.A.S.P. 492 00:40:07,241 --> 00:40:09,361 I go with he quit. 493 00:40:09,361 --> 00:40:14,401 He got dragged through the mud for too many years. He finally went: "I'm done". 494 00:40:14,401 --> 00:40:20,801 When Lita kicked him out, she dropped him off on my porch with a couple of suitcases. 495 00:40:20,801 --> 00:40:23,641 I opened the door and said "Here's your spot to sleep", 496 00:40:23,641 --> 00:40:27,601 and we were digging our chains together. 497 00:40:27,601 --> 00:40:31,401 None of us could work, he was an all about no jobs. 498 00:40:31,401 --> 00:40:35,521 We all had to quit our jobs: "How we're gonna live?" And we did... 499 00:40:53,201 --> 00:40:57,681 I ran into the singer Johnny Severe through a friend who knew him. 500 00:40:57,681 --> 00:41:00,601 He came up and we decided to do a band. 501 00:41:00,601 --> 00:41:02,361 We found Chris Olson, 502 00:41:02,361 --> 00:41:07,281 and Mike Kortz played bass. 503 00:41:07,281 --> 00:41:10,481 He wanted all the members to be born and raised in Southern California. 504 00:41:10,481 --> 00:41:12,761 Don't know why. 505 00:41:12,761 --> 00:41:15,961 I guess he thought we all fought the same. 506 00:41:15,961 --> 00:41:19,041 Psycho Squad was an interesting band. 507 00:41:19,041 --> 00:41:24,681 I think the band was founded on the promise of how much can you drink and still play. 508 00:41:25,561 --> 00:41:27,961 They used to get pretty well lit-up. 509 00:41:38,841 --> 00:41:44,641 It was enjoyable doing music that I wrote. 510 00:41:44,641 --> 00:41:47,761 I could write the whole thing and not have to worry about somebody 511 00:41:47,761 --> 00:41:51,201 saying "no that's not good". 512 00:41:51,201 --> 00:41:55,401 Somebody else taking all the credits for what you're doing... 513 00:41:55,401 --> 00:41:59,601 When we put Psycho Squad together, we got endorsed by everybody. 514 00:41:59,601 --> 00:42:02,081 We got us endorsed by Art to the Bone. 515 00:42:02,081 --> 00:42:06,881 And pretty soon Chris is getting tattooed... 516 00:42:06,881 --> 00:42:11,681 I think he's got flames and skulls on his fingers, 517 00:42:11,681 --> 00:42:16,681 a big skeleton in his back with a knife shoved in his back: 518 00:42:16,681 --> 00:42:19,081 "Go ahead, everybody else has". 519 00:42:19,081 --> 00:42:21,361 I think I do know what the meaning of that was. 520 00:42:21,361 --> 00:42:24,001 I think it was Blackie, you know. 521 00:42:24,001 --> 00:42:26,321 Johnny was a good guy. 522 00:42:26,881 --> 00:42:28,681 He drank a lot. 523 00:42:28,681 --> 00:42:31,161 He was a great lyricist. 524 00:42:31,161 --> 00:42:33,361 He's the one who opened my eyes... 525 00:42:33,361 --> 00:42:36,801 Before him I never listened to lyrics that much, 526 00:42:36,801 --> 00:42:41,241 even in W.A.S.P. I never really cared what Blackie talked about. 527 00:42:41,241 --> 00:42:43,881 Psycho Squad, we didn't do no theatrics. 528 00:42:43,881 --> 00:42:46,401 We just went in and kicked you in the teeth. 529 00:42:46,401 --> 00:42:50,481 Our opening song: "Thrash the Place", 'cause that's how we felt. 530 00:42:50,481 --> 00:42:54,881 That time, grunge had just happened. 531 00:42:54,881 --> 00:42:57,721 Nirvana hit it real big. 532 00:42:57,721 --> 00:43:00,961 Nirvana killed the hair bands, 533 00:43:01,281 --> 00:43:03,681 Psycho Squad broke up. 534 00:43:03,681 --> 00:43:08,561 I was just tired, I thought "You know what, this is bullshit, I'm outta here". 535 00:43:09,401 --> 00:43:12,081 For us to get a record deal was almost obsolete. 536 00:43:12,081 --> 00:43:14,121 We still tried but couldn't. 537 00:43:14,601 --> 00:43:17,761 I think we played together for about a year and a half. 538 00:43:29,361 --> 00:43:31,801 Chris Olson just called me about a month ago, 539 00:43:31,801 --> 00:43:36,161 he said that they found Johnny, the singer, dead in his house. 540 00:43:36,601 --> 00:43:42,361 His front door was opened, he was laying in the living-room, frozen... 541 00:43:42,361 --> 00:43:44,441 Like Bon Scott. 542 00:43:44,441 --> 00:43:48,161 He liked to drink, so he's probably gotten too drunk and passed out. 543 00:43:48,161 --> 00:43:50,881 He left his door opened and froze... 544 00:44:07,201 --> 00:44:09,401 {\an8} One, two, test. 545 00:44:09,401 --> 00:44:10,841 {\an8} Zabou, can you hear me? 546 00:44:42,081 --> 00:44:44,201 Here, you should put it on. 547 00:44:49,361 --> 00:44:51,001 Hey, Sarah! 548 00:44:51,001 --> 00:44:53,281 Sarah, take a picture. 549 00:44:57,161 --> 00:45:00,081 He's gonna play a song with us. 550 00:45:00,481 --> 00:45:01,761 Good. 551 00:45:02,081 --> 00:45:04,201 You can turn your amp on 10! 552 00:46:16,841 --> 00:46:21,601 He built his first guitar with a friend of his named Gary Presley. 553 00:46:21,601 --> 00:46:23,761 They did it in woodshop class, 554 00:46:23,761 --> 00:46:27,281 built the body, they did the neck and everything themselves... 555 00:46:27,281 --> 00:46:30,001 The wiring, the electronics, 556 00:46:30,001 --> 00:46:32,321 wiring coils up with more wire, 557 00:46:32,321 --> 00:46:35,161 so you get a higher magnetic field, you get more distortion. 558 00:46:35,561 --> 00:46:40,641 Chris discovered a lot of things about what you can do to a guitar to make it sound different. 559 00:46:40,641 --> 00:46:44,561 A Fender Jazzmaster, that was my first real guitar. 560 00:46:44,561 --> 00:46:48,321 I got it for 80 bucks from a guy down the street. 561 00:46:48,321 --> 00:46:51,801 How did I find it? Selling drugs... 562 00:46:53,001 --> 00:46:55,201 I was going to school in Pasadena, 563 00:46:55,201 --> 00:46:58,961 my friend John was going to school in La Cañada with Chris. 564 00:46:58,961 --> 00:47:01,121 Chris had put a band together. 565 00:47:01,881 --> 00:47:03,761 He was looking to get a singer, 566 00:47:03,761 --> 00:47:08,361 and I was ready to say "I'll be a rockstar, no problem". 567 00:47:08,361 --> 00:47:11,241 I didn't know how to sing. 568 00:47:11,481 --> 00:47:14,681 That was a band called Slave. 569 00:47:14,681 --> 00:47:17,281 I think I was 17 there. 570 00:47:17,281 --> 00:47:20,281 1976 or 1977. 571 00:47:20,801 --> 00:47:23,161 That's a long time ago... 572 00:47:23,161 --> 00:47:26,001 Look how skinny I was. 573 00:47:27,401 --> 00:47:30,001 I was like a toothpick. 574 00:47:31,001 --> 00:47:36,001 The first time I saw him play was actually at Crescenta Valley High School. 575 00:47:36,001 --> 00:47:40,281 They had something called a quad, it was an outdoor sort of amphitheatre. 576 00:47:40,281 --> 00:47:42,081 I couldn't take my eyes off of him. 577 00:47:42,081 --> 00:47:46,001 I was thinking: "This guy's a really good guitar player, 578 00:47:46,761 --> 00:47:49,641 He's got stage presence and he has energy". 579 00:47:49,641 --> 00:47:53,401 {\an8} We were all playing high-schools, american legion halls, 580 00:47:53,401 --> 00:47:56,601 {\an8} backyard parties, kegger parties... 581 00:47:56,601 --> 00:48:01,841 This was the era when people started getting one or two kegs of beer, 582 00:48:01,841 --> 00:48:04,081 charging a dollar at the gate, 583 00:48:04,081 --> 00:48:07,441 and getting 300/400 kids in the backyard with a band. 584 00:48:07,441 --> 00:48:09,681 We'd make our own light system: 585 00:48:09,681 --> 00:48:12,321 we'd make a big box and throw some colored lights in there, 586 00:48:12,321 --> 00:48:15,761 set them on the amps, and that's how we'd get our light show. 587 00:48:15,761 --> 00:48:18,521 Here's a great shot of Chris with his Destroyer. 588 00:48:18,521 --> 00:48:20,641 That must have been his first tattoo. 589 00:48:20,641 --> 00:48:23,841 That's Sister, when I met Blackie. 590 00:48:23,841 --> 00:48:26,081 I met the drummer first, then I met Blackie. 591 00:48:26,801 --> 00:48:29,801 I was 20 so it had to be 1977. 592 00:48:29,801 --> 00:48:35,881 I thought: "Oh my gosh, this team of Blackie and Chris is a really really good one. 593 00:48:35,881 --> 00:48:39,521 These two will probably be a really good duo. 594 00:48:39,521 --> 00:48:41,841 With their height, their craziness, 595 00:48:41,841 --> 00:48:44,281 their wildness, their musicianship, everything. 596 00:48:44,281 --> 00:48:46,041 There was just someting there. 597 00:48:46,201 --> 00:48:50,961 Blackie was just a slave driver, I didn't like the way he was. 598 00:48:50,961 --> 00:48:54,161 I couldn't wait to get out of the situation. 599 00:48:54,161 --> 00:48:56,561 when it was ok for me to leave, I left. 600 00:48:56,561 --> 00:49:02,361 After that, I played with a band called Buster Savage. 601 00:49:02,361 --> 00:49:04,961 I'll never forget: I saw Buster Savage at the Starwood, 602 00:49:07,521 --> 00:49:12,561 {\an8} Chris Holmes came out, with a baseball cap on, wearing aviators, 603 00:49:12,561 --> 00:49:14,521 he's got like a dust mask on. 604 00:49:14,521 --> 00:49:16,801 They're playing the first song and he's totally grooving. 605 00:49:16,801 --> 00:49:18,681 Comes up to the solo section, 606 00:49:18,681 --> 00:49:20,521 and then he just whips off the hat, 607 00:49:20,521 --> 00:49:26,161 and all this long-ass hair one length comes out! 608 00:49:27,201 --> 00:49:29,201 He starts rippin' on this solo. 609 00:49:29,201 --> 00:49:34,441 I'm like 15... "What the fuck is this!" 610 00:49:35,481 --> 00:49:39,321 I got in trouble drinking and driving and I had to go to jail at Cerwin Vega. 611 00:49:39,321 --> 00:49:41,961 they laid me out so I could collect unemployment jail. 612 00:49:41,961 --> 00:49:47,201 The day I got out, my sister goes: "This guy named Blackie called. 613 00:49:47,281 --> 00:49:49,961 Here's his number." 614 00:49:50,401 --> 00:49:53,401 I didn't talk to Blackie for years. 615 00:49:53,401 --> 00:49:58,161 I called him, he said he needed to talk to me. He had the idea of W.A.S.P. 616 00:49:58,161 --> 00:50:00,281 That was about 1981. 617 00:50:01,881 --> 00:50:04,561 I kind of didn't want to play with the guy then, 618 00:50:04,881 --> 00:50:07,641 but he promised a record deal. 619 00:50:07,641 --> 00:50:11,081 I said "Yeah I'll play with him for a year", 620 00:50:11,081 --> 00:50:13,121 and we got a deal. 621 00:50:22,121 --> 00:50:24,441 Here we are in Stockholm. 622 00:50:24,441 --> 00:50:26,001 That's me. 623 00:50:37,161 --> 00:50:39,761 Sweden! 624 00:50:54,161 --> 00:50:59,961 French guy, right? French coffee... 625 00:51:00,481 --> 00:51:04,081 Chris, American. American cup. 626 00:51:39,481 --> 00:51:44,001 Welcome back to Headbangers' Ball, it's our Valentine's Day Massacre, 627 00:51:44,001 --> 00:51:47,881 it's actually gonna turn into a bloody Valentine right now, 628 00:51:47,881 --> 00:51:51,321 'cause I gotta say to you: "Kill Fuck Die". 629 00:51:51,321 --> 00:51:54,401 I'm not being rude: that is the title of the new W.A.S.P. album, 630 00:51:54,401 --> 00:51:56,401 out on the 24th March. 631 00:51:56,401 --> 00:52:00,561 As you can see, Blackie and Chris are joining me here at Rock City in Nottingham. 632 00:52:00,561 --> 00:52:04,601 May I say that you look absolutely fantastic, it's great to have you back on the show. 633 00:52:04,601 --> 00:52:09,441 So welcome, just to start off, you've been playing some shows in Europe, 634 00:52:09,441 --> 00:52:11,841 How have things been going? 635 00:52:11,841 --> 00:52:16,761 We're doing a seven show pep rally, effectively, it's what it boils down to. 636 00:52:16,761 --> 00:52:19,681 Because as you mention, the album's out on March 24, 637 00:52:19,681 --> 00:52:24,481 and Chris and I have not played together in public for 7 years. 638 00:52:24,481 --> 00:52:27,041 We decided to come and give everybody a teaser 639 00:52:27,041 --> 00:52:29,081 before we do the real tour in the next couple of months. 640 00:52:29,081 --> 00:52:31,241 You're certainly creating a buzz, 641 00:52:31,241 --> 00:52:35,281 everybody is talking about the W.A.S.P. show which I guess is exactly what you want. 642 00:52:36,041 --> 00:52:39,921 I've created a buzz all the time. 643 00:52:39,921 --> 00:52:43,041 I've lived in Hollywood, 644 00:52:43,041 --> 00:52:48,281 got stuck in the Hollywood drug-grunge scene just living there... 645 00:52:49,121 --> 00:52:52,641 Then I had a chance to go to Wyoming for a while. 646 00:52:52,641 --> 00:52:56,081 My sister's ranch, I went up there. 647 00:52:56,081 --> 00:53:00,961 Russell Wallace called me and said' "Hey Chris, Blackie wants to talk to you." 648 00:53:01,601 --> 00:53:05,321 That's the last thing I'd ever thought I was gonna hear about. 649 00:53:05,321 --> 00:53:07,561 He gave me his number, I called him up. 650 00:53:07,561 --> 00:53:10,321 I go: "Yeah, what's the deal?" 651 00:53:10,321 --> 00:53:13,401 He goes: "I want to know if you wanna go on tour again." 652 00:53:13,401 --> 00:53:16,081 I go: "That was the last thing on my mind. 653 00:53:16,081 --> 00:53:18,961 If you wanna know an answer right now, it's no. 654 00:53:18,961 --> 00:53:22,721 - Is there a chance ? - Yeah, let me think about it. 655 00:53:22,721 --> 00:53:24,961 He goes: "Well I give you 'til a week." 656 00:53:24,961 --> 00:53:27,441 I rejoined in 1995. 657 00:53:27,441 --> 00:53:32,121 Blackie needed that, 'cause Blackie kept trying different things, 658 00:53:32,121 --> 00:53:35,761 but when Chris came back, it kind of breathed new life into it. 659 00:53:35,761 --> 00:53:39,001 He kinda covered that up from me for a while. 660 00:53:39,001 --> 00:53:42,801 He'd be playing with them about a year before I saw him again. 661 00:53:42,801 --> 00:53:45,441 "You're not gonna believe it, but I joined W.A.S.P. again..." 662 00:53:45,441 --> 00:53:48,241 I'm like: "Chris, when are you gonna learn?" 663 00:53:57,281 --> 00:54:00,361 {\an8} We destroyed our female following with K.F.D. 664 00:54:00,961 --> 00:54:04,401 The cross, the nun, 665 00:54:04,401 --> 00:54:07,601 fucking the nun, pulling out the foetus, 666 00:54:07,601 --> 00:54:12,161 stabbing it on the knife-codpiece and holding it up as if in victory... 667 00:54:12,161 --> 00:54:16,481 It was too dark. Women couldn't relate to it. 668 00:54:30,761 --> 00:54:34,241 The only reason I came back to play music is because I wanted to travel again, 669 00:54:34,241 --> 00:54:35,721 to see Europe and stuff... 670 00:54:35,721 --> 00:54:39,201 If not, I'd have probably never left L.A. 671 00:54:39,201 --> 00:54:42,481 I went back and got my ass kicked a second time. 672 00:54:43,601 --> 00:54:45,561 To get a good ass kicking, 673 00:54:45,561 --> 00:54:48,881 'cause I hadn't get kicked good enough the first time. 674 00:54:49,201 --> 00:54:51,281 Then when he rejoined the band, 675 00:54:51,281 --> 00:54:53,361 Blackie made it specific: 676 00:54:53,361 --> 00:54:56,401 he spent money to get him sober. 677 00:54:56,401 --> 00:54:59,281 It was the best thing for Chris, and if we loved him, 678 00:54:59,281 --> 00:55:03,281 and we wanted to be in the band, then we needed to support his sobriety. 679 00:55:03,281 --> 00:55:05,281 I got a D.U.I. 680 00:55:05,281 --> 00:55:08,121 I was out messing around in the clubs, having fun, 681 00:55:08,121 --> 00:55:11,361 doing the Chris thing and got in trouble drunk again. 682 00:55:11,361 --> 00:55:14,001 It kind of made me quit drinking. 683 00:55:14,001 --> 00:55:17,321 I know they have their differences and all that, 684 00:55:17,321 --> 00:55:21,881 but Blackie very much cared about Chris and spent time and money to help him get sober. 685 00:55:21,881 --> 00:55:25,641 Probably the best thing that ever happened to me 686 00:55:25,641 --> 00:55:28,561 was getting a sixth D.U.I. 687 00:55:28,561 --> 00:55:32,321 If I didn't get that 502, I'd probably be dead now from drinking. 688 00:55:32,321 --> 00:55:34,201 I'd probably drank myself to death. 689 00:55:53,641 --> 00:55:56,041 I didn't play a note on "Unholy Terror". 690 00:55:56,041 --> 00:55:57,721 Listen to the record. 691 00:55:57,721 --> 00:56:00,801 Why do you think he'd put my name on it? So it would sell. 692 00:56:00,801 --> 00:56:04,601 If it didn't have my name on it it wouldn't look like we did songs together. 693 00:56:04,601 --> 00:56:08,041 "Saturday Night's Alright for Fighting": I didn't play on that, 694 00:56:08,041 --> 00:56:10,761 and he put my name on it, I got pissed off. 695 00:56:10,761 --> 00:56:12,161 I got mad. 696 00:56:12,161 --> 00:56:17,521 - I thought you'd want your name on it. - I don't want my name on that shitty ass guitar playing. 697 00:56:17,521 --> 00:56:21,401 If I didn't play on it, I don't like lying on things like that. 698 00:56:22,161 --> 00:56:25,681 There was a blow-out, 699 00:56:25,681 --> 00:56:29,001 it happened at my studio. 700 00:56:29,001 --> 00:56:32,761 It was in 2002, Blackie came in with a piece of paper, 701 00:56:32,761 --> 00:56:36,001 and I read it and it was a fan who said: 702 00:56:36,001 --> 00:56:39,001 "I saw W.A.S.P. at Harpo's, which is in Detroit, 703 00:56:39,001 --> 00:56:41,761 I got everyone's autograph, except Blackie's. 704 00:56:41,761 --> 00:56:45,961 Blackie went on the bus, I asked Chris for Blackie's autograph, 705 00:56:45,961 --> 00:56:48,401 Chris said no, he couldn't get it. 706 00:56:48,401 --> 00:56:54,281 I asked why". And the next caption was: "He's a fucking asshole." 707 00:56:54,961 --> 00:56:57,641 Blackie asked me if I said that. 708 00:56:57,641 --> 00:57:00,681 I gave him back the paper and I go: "Yeah, I did say that." 709 00:57:00,681 --> 00:57:03,881 He goes: "I thought we had a better understanding about each other" 710 00:57:03,881 --> 00:57:07,641 I go: "Well, let me explain to you why I said this." 711 00:57:08,361 --> 00:57:11,001 And I explained it to him. 712 00:57:11,001 --> 00:57:15,681 He got up, walked out of the room and said he was jealous. 713 00:57:15,681 --> 00:57:17,801 It was the last time I ever saw him. 714 00:57:28,401 --> 00:57:31,001 We have to go back from the same way. 715 00:57:34,521 --> 00:57:36,361 I just want to sleep. 716 00:57:41,241 --> 00:57:43,761 She's the guest of the place, 717 00:57:43,761 --> 00:57:45,601 but the keys are not working, guys. 718 00:57:45,921 --> 00:57:49,641 {\an8} Can you come and get us, we don't know where we are...? 719 00:57:50,441 --> 00:57:51,961 {\an8} Holy shit! 720 00:57:52,401 --> 00:57:56,001 {\an8} So we drive this way, we turn left at the crossroads, then right? 721 00:57:57,241 --> 00:57:58,281 {\an8} Sorry. 722 00:58:38,961 --> 00:58:40,801 Let's pray! 723 00:58:40,801 --> 00:58:44,401 Did you pray for your breakfast? 724 00:58:44,401 --> 00:58:49,041 Both my uncles are mormon. 725 00:58:49,041 --> 00:58:50,921 Their kids are all mormon. 726 00:58:50,921 --> 00:58:54,001 They make you a priest when you're sixteen. 727 00:58:54,361 --> 00:58:57,521 I told them, and they decided not to make me a priest. 728 00:58:57,521 --> 00:58:59,761 My folks were mormon, 729 00:58:59,761 --> 00:59:05,481 so he went to church and everything until he got about 16 or 17. 730 00:59:05,481 --> 00:59:09,681 I hated the mormon 'cause I had to go to church. 731 00:59:10,961 --> 00:59:13,601 Every Sunday: get up at 7 o'clock, 732 00:59:13,601 --> 00:59:17,681 brush my teeth, comb my hair, put on my tie... 733 00:59:17,681 --> 00:59:19,601 go to church all day, I hated it... 734 00:59:20,121 --> 00:59:23,161 I blame the mormons for all my drug use. 735 00:59:23,161 --> 00:59:27,001 The mormon troop had a Boy Scout troop. 736 00:59:27,001 --> 00:59:31,841 From 12 to 16, we'd go down the Grand Canyon, 737 00:59:31,841 --> 00:59:36,201 we'd do lots of drugs, extremely lot of drugs... 738 00:59:37,641 --> 00:59:42,841 Extreme amounts of drugs: usually cocaine and alcohol, 739 00:59:42,841 --> 00:59:44,481 and LSD. 740 00:59:44,481 --> 00:59:47,601 Then he decided he didn't wanna go to church anymore. 741 00:59:47,601 --> 00:59:50,601 If he didn't wanna go, don't push him, I don't care. 742 00:59:50,601 --> 00:59:52,321 It's his life, you know... 743 00:59:53,361 --> 00:59:59,161 Believing in religion is stupid. 744 00:59:59,161 --> 01:00:02,161 I can't believe it, it's stupid. 745 01:00:02,161 --> 01:00:06,201 This is a rock, if it hits my head, blood comes out. 746 01:00:06,201 --> 01:00:09,201 Well, make blood come out, God. 747 01:00:14,881 --> 01:00:16,521 How you doin'? 748 01:00:18,801 --> 01:00:21,401 My friend had a picture of his wife and they divorced, 749 01:00:21,401 --> 01:00:25,241 so he had a shotgun next to her head blowing her head off. 750 01:00:27,721 --> 01:00:29,441 {\an8} Fuckin' camera. 751 01:00:31,401 --> 01:00:34,641 {\an8} One time, I was going up to Arizona to visit my mom, 752 01:00:34,641 --> 01:00:41,401 {\an8} I stopped at the gas station, it's got the fake tattoos, 753 01:00:41,401 --> 01:00:44,081 {\an8} and it's got the one you put around your wrist. 754 01:00:44,081 --> 01:00:47,641 {\an8} So I buy it and I get to the house about 4 in the morning. 755 01:00:48,481 --> 01:00:54,121 {\an8} I go in the bathroom and I put it in water, and I put it on my forehead. 756 01:00:57,881 --> 01:00:58,921 {\an8} It dried. 757 01:00:58,921 --> 01:01:03,281 {\an8} In the morning, she wakes me up at 10. 758 01:01:03,281 --> 01:01:05,121 {\an8} "What the fuck did you do?" 759 01:01:05,121 --> 01:01:06,721 {\an8} I'd forgotten and said "What's up?" 760 01:01:06,721 --> 01:01:08,641 {\an8} "That tattoo on your head!" 761 01:01:08,641 --> 01:01:10,241 {\an8} "Oh, you like it mom?" 762 01:01:10,241 --> 01:01:12,241 {\an8} "You fuckin' idiot!" 763 01:01:15,241 --> 01:01:18,041 Now we're talking. That's a man tattoo. 764 01:01:18,041 --> 01:01:19,561 What Mean Man? 765 01:01:19,561 --> 01:01:23,881 I was a huge W.A.S.P. fan when I was a kid. 766 01:01:23,881 --> 01:01:28,161 I still am, so this is huge, definitely. 767 01:01:28,161 --> 01:01:31,601 I snivelled and cried and beat him up and everything else 768 01:01:31,601 --> 01:01:34,001 when he first started getting the tattoos. 769 01:01:34,001 --> 01:01:38,041 Finally, what can you do? You're not with him 24 hours. 770 01:01:38,041 --> 01:01:40,521 I said "Just don't get'em above your neck, 771 01:01:40,521 --> 01:01:44,881 so when you come to my funeral, you can wear a shirt buttoned-up." 772 01:01:44,881 --> 01:01:48,521 My mom had an Hells Angels' jacket made. 773 01:01:48,521 --> 01:01:53,841 I truly believe, if she did not have children, she would have joined the Hells Angels. 774 01:01:53,841 --> 01:01:56,401 Why do you think? 775 01:01:57,481 --> 01:02:00,441 'cause I'm crazy I suppose... 776 01:02:16,401 --> 01:02:18,961 Alright! 777 01:02:53,161 --> 01:02:55,801 My name is Thomas. 778 01:02:55,801 --> 01:03:00,561 I've been a fan since '88, I think, 779 01:03:00,561 --> 01:03:03,881 and I started collecting in '89. 780 01:03:03,881 --> 01:03:08,441 I've got somewhere between 300/400 different records, 781 01:03:08,441 --> 01:03:12,561 CDs and a couple gold records... 782 01:03:12,561 --> 01:03:15,961 I spent a lot of money on W.A.S.P. 783 01:03:15,961 --> 01:03:18,041 I've been a fan now for 25 years, 784 01:03:18,041 --> 01:03:20,961 but it's the first time I get to see Chris Holmes. 785 01:03:35,601 --> 01:03:39,041 Norway! 786 01:03:39,521 --> 01:03:42,521 Enjoy yourself while you can and you're 20! 787 01:03:43,001 --> 01:03:45,761 Thanks for comin', alright! 788 01:03:46,801 --> 01:03:50,121 I just lived in L.A., surviving... 789 01:03:50,121 --> 01:03:54,201 I tried to find groups to play in but nobody would play with me. 790 01:03:54,201 --> 01:03:57,161 I started managing him for a brief period of time. 791 01:03:57,161 --> 01:04:00,561 He was down and out, depressed, 792 01:04:00,561 --> 01:04:02,401 living in a house behind a house. 793 01:04:02,401 --> 01:04:06,401 He did call me and stuff, and never really asked for money or anything. 794 01:04:06,401 --> 01:04:08,081 Just say "How you doin'?" 795 01:04:08,081 --> 01:04:11,961 He'd come over, have a beer, we have a good dinner and stuff, 796 01:04:11,961 --> 01:04:13,161 then he'd be on his way. 797 01:04:13,161 --> 01:04:16,721 He wouldn't ask for help, that's not what he did. 798 01:04:16,721 --> 01:04:20,361 He would get by with the bare minimum. 799 01:04:20,361 --> 01:04:24,001 He wouldn't be happy, but he could survive like that. 800 01:04:24,001 --> 01:04:29,481 He worked doing construction, roofing and concrete work. 801 01:04:29,481 --> 01:04:33,001 I worked shitty jobs in L.A. 802 01:04:33,001 --> 01:04:37,521 I used to work for Hustler, doing the lights for pornos. 803 01:04:37,521 --> 01:04:41,401 It's a job most guys would die for, but it's really boring. 804 01:04:41,401 --> 01:04:43,841 Chris Holmes everybody! 805 01:04:52,401 --> 01:04:56,961 I put together one of the first Hollywood celebrity all-star bands 806 01:04:56,961 --> 01:04:59,601 called the Big Ball Stars, that's some great players in it. 807 01:04:59,601 --> 01:05:02,561 At the time, Chris was hiding out. 808 01:05:02,561 --> 01:05:07,241 {\an8} So I said "Why don't you come and play a song with my all-star band?" 809 01:05:07,241 --> 01:05:11,561 "No, no one likes to play with me. I don't get along with anyone..." 810 01:05:11,561 --> 01:05:14,841 He'd been pretty banged up and around the business for a while. 811 01:05:14,841 --> 01:05:17,481 Nobody had seen him play in years: 812 01:05:17,481 --> 01:05:19,801 he played guitar flawlessly 813 01:05:19,801 --> 01:05:23,801 and he jumped around on that stage like a fucking maniac. 814 01:05:23,801 --> 01:05:28,801 But didn't miss a beat, and he just totally dominated the stage. 815 01:05:28,801 --> 01:05:33,361 People were just blown away, it was like: "Holy shit, Chris Holmes is back!" 816 01:05:39,841 --> 01:05:45,001 When he met Sarah, he was at a pretty low point in his life. 817 01:05:45,001 --> 01:05:48,241 I don't think he knew where to go or which directions to take. 818 01:05:48,241 --> 01:05:53,281 She came in and really started to manage his life for him, 819 01:05:53,281 --> 01:05:56,041 which he needed at the time. He needed that support. 820 01:05:56,041 --> 01:05:57,881 I'm a huge Motörhead fan. 821 01:05:57,881 --> 01:06:02,281 One day, Chris told me about the recordings that he had with Philthy. 822 01:06:02,281 --> 01:06:06,801 He had mentioned to me: "I've been working with this guy for a few years, 823 01:06:06,801 --> 01:06:09,681 I think we're ready to mix it, would you be interested?" 824 01:06:09,681 --> 01:06:12,721 I said: "Hell yeah!" 825 01:06:12,721 --> 01:06:15,841 Chris and Philthy! 826 01:06:15,841 --> 01:06:21,281 Out of anybody I've ever met in the music business, and I've met a lot of people, 827 01:06:21,281 --> 01:06:26,721 he's probably the coolest guy I've ever met as being a human being towards other people. 828 01:06:26,721 --> 01:06:30,361 If it wasn't for him, I probably wouldn't have even done the first abum, 829 01:06:30,361 --> 01:06:32,881 'cause it was all done on his computers and stuff. 830 01:06:32,881 --> 01:06:35,921 He actually died, it's sad. 831 01:06:35,921 --> 01:06:38,681 He was ill for a long time. 832 01:06:38,681 --> 01:06:41,401 His liver shut down, 833 01:06:41,401 --> 01:06:44,961 and the last thing I said was... 834 01:06:44,961 --> 01:06:49,481 They came to pick me up in a car, I put my hand on his head and I just said 835 01:06:49,481 --> 01:06:52,001 "Phil, it's probably the last time we'll ever see each other." 836 01:06:52,001 --> 01:06:54,601 He shook his head and said "Yeah, I know", 837 01:06:54,601 --> 01:06:57,001 then he died a few days later. 838 01:07:20,281 --> 01:07:24,601 It was very hard to record the first album, we had no money. 839 01:07:24,601 --> 01:07:29,281 {\an8} Everyone thought we were not able to do it. 840 01:07:29,761 --> 01:07:35,321 {\an8} Chris said "We need to go to Europe, it's the only place where I can still make it." 841 01:07:35,321 --> 01:07:37,481 I'd had that conversation with Chris. 842 01:07:37,481 --> 01:07:42,281 We talked about L.A., U.S... It's nothing. 843 01:07:42,281 --> 01:07:45,761 Over there, you're a rockstar, over here, you're a has-been. 844 01:07:45,801 --> 01:07:48,961 The opportunities aren't here for you, why don't you go to Europe? 845 01:07:48,961 --> 01:07:53,881 I got rid of everything I had: my car, my dog... 846 01:07:53,881 --> 01:07:57,881 It was everything I'd ever known, I lived there my whole life, you know. 847 01:08:08,281 --> 01:08:11,161 {\an8} Tell the camera who won pool! 848 01:08:44,121 --> 01:08:46,201 That was a good mess! 849 01:09:12,881 --> 01:09:15,521 I love you, man! 850 01:09:15,521 --> 01:09:17,601 - Is your mom still alive? - Oh yeah! 851 01:09:17,601 --> 01:09:19,041 I love your mom! 852 01:09:19,041 --> 01:09:20,561 She's still going. 853 01:09:20,561 --> 01:09:22,961 Drinking vodka with your mom and filming... 854 01:09:22,961 --> 01:09:24,521 That was thirty years ago. 855 01:09:28,201 --> 01:09:33,161 I'm so glad I don't drink anymore! 856 01:09:34,001 --> 01:09:35,921 I quit drinking twenty years ago. 857 01:09:36,281 --> 01:09:39,761 - Welcome to Halifax! - Is this Halifax? 858 01:09:42,081 --> 01:09:45,281 Hi, I'm Paul, I'm from Halifax. 859 01:09:45,281 --> 01:09:50,001 I sell fancy dress for Halloween, carnival, that sort of things. 860 01:09:50,001 --> 01:09:54,481 Chris kindly agreed to a personal meet & greet 861 01:09:54,481 --> 01:09:58,481 and jam session with my band. 862 01:09:58,481 --> 01:10:01,361 I grew up listening to W.A.S.P. 863 01:10:01,361 --> 01:10:05,521 from 1985... 864 01:10:05,521 --> 01:10:08,401 Chris inspired me to pick up a guitar and learn to play. 865 01:10:08,401 --> 01:10:12,601 Finally, I have the chance to invite Chris and the band here, 866 01:10:12,601 --> 01:10:17,641 so it's kind of a privilege to be able to do that. 867 01:10:17,641 --> 01:10:19,921 It's Chris Holmes, it's not W.A.S.P. 868 01:10:19,921 --> 01:10:22,041 Chris Holmes was part of that band. 869 01:10:22,041 --> 01:10:24,561 He's singing, he's got his style, 870 01:10:24,561 --> 01:10:26,561 and he sounds great: he's rock n' roll. 871 01:10:26,561 --> 01:10:28,881 Chris, give me a hug, man. 872 01:10:28,881 --> 01:10:31,601 We're going to see him again. 873 01:10:31,601 --> 01:10:34,121 He was the same guy, 27 years ago: 874 01:10:34,121 --> 01:10:37,441 polite, a gentleman, true to his fans, 875 01:10:37,441 --> 01:10:40,201 and he just enjoys playing the guitar. 876 01:10:56,241 --> 01:10:58,401 Oh, Mean Man! 877 01:10:59,361 --> 01:11:01,961 - You're gonna play "Fuck Like a Beast" tonight? - Hell yeah! 878 01:11:01,961 --> 01:11:04,081 Blackie won't play it anymore. 879 01:11:04,081 --> 01:11:07,761 {\an8} My first time listening to W.A.S.P. was about when the first L.P. came out. 880 01:11:07,761 --> 01:11:10,841 {\an8} In 1984, I saw them at the Lyceum in London, 881 01:11:10,841 --> 01:11:13,081 {\an8} it was their first gig there. 882 01:11:13,081 --> 01:11:14,961 {\an8} It's my favorite band of all time. 883 01:11:53,161 --> 01:11:56,481 All of my life, 884 01:11:56,481 --> 01:11:59,961 especially when I was young, 885 01:12:00,881 --> 01:12:07,721 I couldn't understand where they all come from. 886 01:12:07,961 --> 01:12:12,041 I spend the last few months in here. 887 01:12:15,681 --> 01:12:19,481 Going to rehearsal with the drums, and bass and everything, 888 01:12:19,481 --> 01:12:22,801 putting up with three other guys, which takes time and money... 889 01:12:22,801 --> 01:12:26,161 It's easier just doing it all here in pre-production. 890 01:12:26,161 --> 01:12:30,601 And I can figure out if I can sing on a song or not. 891 01:12:30,601 --> 01:12:35,041 Ug sits over here. He's my little dog, Ug. 892 01:12:38,361 --> 01:12:41,761 His name's Ug 'cause he's ugly. 893 01:12:44,961 --> 01:12:48,281 I'm lucky I can play guitar, 894 01:12:48,281 --> 01:12:50,161 I can program the drums, 895 01:12:50,161 --> 01:12:52,241 and I can sing and do it all myself. 896 01:12:52,241 --> 01:12:55,481 I don't need anybody sit here and help me do it. 897 01:12:55,481 --> 01:12:59,041 I'm very lucky I've learned all those things. 898 01:13:01,001 --> 01:13:02,881 It's funny! 899 01:13:02,881 --> 01:13:05,001 Chris can live in any place: 900 01:13:05,001 --> 01:13:08,481 live in France, live in America, but he needs to come visit at least. 901 01:13:08,481 --> 01:13:11,601 If he wants to live in France, great, but come visit America, 902 01:13:11,601 --> 01:13:13,081 'cause I know he misses it. 903 01:13:13,081 --> 01:13:16,041 - Do we think he's gonna come back? - We hope he comes back someday. 904 01:13:16,041 --> 01:13:19,081 Hopefully, he'll come through with his band. 905 01:13:19,561 --> 01:13:24,081 My big dream is that he's gonna call me and say "Jim, I'm going to be playing in L.A., 906 01:13:24,081 --> 01:13:27,001 I need you for this day and this day", and I'm gonna say "I'm there". 907 01:13:27,001 --> 01:13:30,201 He told me he'd never come back. I think he's homesick. 908 01:13:30,201 --> 01:13:33,401 I'm pretty sure he's homesick. He wants In-N-Out Burger or something... 909 01:13:33,401 --> 01:13:34,841 He's a wild man, 910 01:13:34,841 --> 01:13:39,681 but inside that guy, you've got a heart of gold, 911 01:13:39,681 --> 01:13:42,001 someone that couldn't be more genuine. 912 01:13:42,001 --> 01:13:45,641 He's a sweet person, got a heart of gold, but he's got the anger and the rebellion, 913 01:13:45,641 --> 01:13:50,121 and he's got the balls, like I do, to say what he thinks and play what he feels. 914 01:13:50,121 --> 01:13:53,881 That's why I love it, man, 'cause he'll tell right to your face: "fuck you!" 915 01:13:53,881 --> 01:13:57,081 He'll tell you right to your face: fuck you! 916 01:14:16,241 --> 01:14:19,401 We're in Cannes, we're in the recording studio, 917 01:14:19,401 --> 01:14:22,121 recording the songs for my E.P. 918 01:14:26,801 --> 01:14:29,961 That means we've got eight tracks of guitar, right? 919 01:14:30,441 --> 01:14:32,081 That's alright. 920 01:14:33,481 --> 01:14:34,801 Barely enough... 921 01:14:35,521 --> 01:14:38,321 I'd put fuckin' 52 if I could. 922 01:14:38,321 --> 01:14:42,441 As you see, we're doing it in a proper studio, 923 01:14:42,441 --> 01:14:47,201 other than the way I've recorded the last previous projects. 924 01:14:48,201 --> 01:14:50,281 Yeah, it should sound good. 925 01:15:04,441 --> 01:15:06,881 Thank you for comin' here! 926 01:15:09,921 --> 01:15:13,881 Everyone, get up for Mr. Chris Holmes!! 927 01:15:15,081 --> 01:15:17,681 I've been doin' it a long time. 928 01:15:17,681 --> 01:15:21,081 Fuck, I'm 61 next month! 929 01:15:40,121 --> 01:15:43,481 Once the energy is gone, I wouldn't play, I'd quit. 930 01:15:43,481 --> 01:15:47,401 That's what I play: it's energy that comes out of the way I play guitar. 931 01:15:47,401 --> 01:15:51,081 If that wasn't there, I'd totally quit playing and do something else. 932 01:15:51,081 --> 01:15:53,721 I'd give it up, but it's still there when I play. 933 01:15:54,041 --> 01:15:57,601 I had a problem with my hand last year. 934 01:15:57,601 --> 01:15:59,881 Something has happened to my elbow, 935 01:15:59,881 --> 01:16:02,601 and my hand's still numb. 936 01:16:02,601 --> 01:16:06,041 I just learned to play with my fingers a different way, it's ok. 937 01:16:06,041 --> 01:16:08,721 That's just the way it is. 938 01:16:08,721 --> 01:16:10,521 My sister, she goes: 939 01:16:10,521 --> 01:16:13,881 "I didn't expect him to live past 30." 940 01:16:13,881 --> 01:16:17,081 Well now I'm 60, and I'm still going. 941 01:16:24,081 --> 01:16:27,281 I'll do my band, my thing, start this and... 942 01:16:28,441 --> 01:16:31,361 if it fails, it fails, and if it doesn't, it doesn't... 943 01:16:33,081 --> 01:16:36,201 I'll make sure it's gonna kick ass on stage. 944 01:16:37,361 --> 01:16:40,321 That's my main thing, that's what I do. 945 01:16:40,321 --> 01:16:43,281 Thank you very much, I love you! 946 01:16:44,361 --> 01:16:46,761 I would say good night, but it's not night: 947 01:16:46,761 --> 01:16:48,561 good day! 948 01:18:02,821 --> 01:18:05,196 That's my last word.