1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:29,029 --> 00:00:31,031 [distant siren wailing] 4 00:00:38,205 --> 00:00:40,165 [fly buzzing] 5 00:00:45,003 --> 00:00:50,008 There is a fly in here, so I just want to get it, sorry, 6 00:00:50,092 --> 00:00:52,886 because it keeps coming and I'm, like, trying to ignore it, but… 7 00:00:54,846 --> 00:00:57,015 [Joan Collins] That's very strange you would say that. 8 00:00:57,099 --> 00:00:58,100 [fly continues buzzing] 9 00:00:59,017 --> 00:01:03,063 There's a very interesting thing that happened shortly after Jackie died. 10 00:01:03,564 --> 00:01:08,569 There was this little, tiny fruit fly that was always in front of me. 11 00:01:08,944 --> 00:01:12,155 It would be here, I would go to the Polo Lounge 12 00:01:12,239 --> 00:01:14,157 in the Beverly Hills Hotel, it would be there. 13 00:01:14,241 --> 00:01:18,120 I'd go to the south of France and be sitting there and it would be there. 14 00:01:18,203 --> 00:01:23,166 And I said, "Well, this is Jackie coming to say that she's still there." 15 00:01:25,210 --> 00:01:27,629 [Jennifer] Yes, we've all heard the story. 16 00:01:27,713 --> 00:01:29,131 [fly buzzing] 17 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,301 -I guess Jackie came back as a fly. -[buzzing stops] 18 00:01:34,011 --> 00:01:35,178 [sighs] 19 00:01:36,263 --> 00:01:37,889 -Joan. -[soft music playing] 20 00:01:37,973 --> 00:01:39,182 [projector whirring] 21 00:01:44,646 --> 00:01:46,982 {\an8}[Tracy Lerman] I sort of knew it was a different upbringing. 22 00:01:51,361 --> 00:01:52,988 {\an8}[Tiffany Lerman] Parenting wasn't really a verb… 23 00:01:53,071 --> 00:01:55,407 {\an8}[chuckling] …back in the '70s and '80s. 24 00:01:58,368 --> 00:02:00,954 {\an8}[Tracy] I didn't really understand what it was she was doing. 25 00:02:02,122 --> 00:02:04,958 {\an8}All I knew was that mommy was on TV a lot. 26 00:02:09,046 --> 00:02:11,882 [Rory Green] There were definitely two sides. There was Mom… 27 00:02:12,633 --> 00:02:15,177 {\an8}-We're going to the Walden show. -[man] The Walden show. 28 00:02:15,260 --> 00:02:18,305 {\an8}-Bye-bye. -[Rory] …and there was Jackie Collins. 29 00:02:18,388 --> 00:02:21,975 -Jackie Collins. -[audience cheering, applauding] 30 00:02:22,142 --> 00:02:24,144 [Morton Janklow] There are people who are wonderful writers. 31 00:02:26,938 --> 00:02:30,651 {\an8}By that I mean people who use the language beautifully and elegantly. 32 00:02:32,903 --> 00:02:35,572 Which was almost the direct opposite of Jackie. 33 00:02:35,656 --> 00:02:37,115 Is it exhausting… 34 00:02:37,532 --> 00:02:38,784 -What? -…doing research for your books? 35 00:02:38,867 --> 00:02:41,703 -No. [laughs] -[crowd laughing] 36 00:02:41,995 --> 00:02:44,289 [Morton] It was one of the reasons she was so successful… 37 00:02:46,083 --> 00:02:50,337 because she could go out there and promote those books and not be embarrassed. 38 00:02:51,046 --> 00:02:52,673 [soft music playing] 39 00:02:53,632 --> 00:02:56,385 [woman] Obviously she writes a lot about sex. 40 00:02:56,802 --> 00:03:00,972 [woman] She's putting female sexuality at the center of the world 41 00:03:01,056 --> 00:03:03,433 and people lost their minds. 42 00:03:04,226 --> 00:03:06,603 [Terry Wogan] Some of the sexual gymnastics, quite frankly… 43 00:03:06,687 --> 00:03:08,021 [crowd laughing] 44 00:03:08,105 --> 00:03:12,693 …give middle aged men like me a terrific inferiority complex. 45 00:03:14,403 --> 00:03:16,613 [woman] She changed the way women got to have sex. 46 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,450 Women got to be selfish in bed thanks to Jackie Collins. 47 00:03:20,826 --> 00:03:24,579 My final guest, the world's most prolific writer of romantic fiction. 48 00:03:24,746 --> 00:03:27,708 -Barbara Cartland. -[audience applauding] 49 00:03:27,874 --> 00:03:30,669 [Barbara] We've got to go back to the family to save the world, 50 00:03:30,752 --> 00:03:31,962 I mean, look at the mess it's in. 51 00:03:32,045 --> 00:03:33,714 -It's evil really. -[Jackie] What? 52 00:03:33,797 --> 00:03:37,050 [stutters] The books that you write, quite frankly. 53 00:03:37,134 --> 00:03:38,969 -[audience laughing] -[gasps] 54 00:03:39,052 --> 00:03:40,679 [audience applauding] 55 00:03:43,890 --> 00:03:45,767 [stutters] I think there's a place for everybody, 56 00:03:45,851 --> 00:03:47,352 I think there's a place for Barbara's books 57 00:03:47,477 --> 00:03:49,020 and there’s a place for my books. 58 00:03:49,312 --> 00:03:51,773 And I would never criticize Barbara and say they all have to be like yours, 59 00:03:51,857 --> 00:03:53,230 because wouldn't life be dull 60 00:03:53,305 --> 00:03:55,732 -if we all had to do the same thing? -No, no. I didn't say that either. 61 00:03:55,807 --> 00:03:57,487 -[all laughing] -My guests, thank you. 62 00:03:57,571 --> 00:03:59,865 [audience applauding] 63 00:04:00,073 --> 00:04:04,327 [Morton] It's always the same essential story dressed up differently. 64 00:04:06,329 --> 00:04:09,666 It is about a woman facing disaster at the beginning. 65 00:04:10,625 --> 00:04:13,503 And no matter how downbeat and downtrodden 66 00:04:14,755 --> 00:04:18,508 she outsmarts all the tough guys and wins. 67 00:04:18,675 --> 00:04:20,093 Girls when they leave school, 68 00:04:20,177 --> 00:04:22,471 should be taught that in life they can do anything. 69 00:04:22,554 --> 00:04:25,348 I really have this strong belief that women can do anything. 70 00:04:25,474 --> 00:04:27,309 "Girls can do anything," that was her motto. 71 00:04:27,434 --> 00:04:31,062 -Girls can do anything. -Girls can do anything. 72 00:04:31,188 --> 00:04:33,899 -Girls can do anything. -Women can do anything. 73 00:04:33,982 --> 00:04:36,359 As much as she was saying that to everybody else, 74 00:04:36,568 --> 00:04:39,488 she was consistently saying it to herself. 75 00:04:39,613 --> 00:04:41,406 [dramatic music playing] 76 00:04:41,782 --> 00:04:46,119 [Tita Cahn] That is what is so extraordinary about this tale. 77 00:04:47,329 --> 00:04:52,584 What she wrote and who she was are two different things. 78 00:04:52,959 --> 00:04:56,254 [man] She's one of the most successful authors in publishing history… 79 00:04:56,338 --> 00:05:02,177 [woman] The excess, the glitz. The unashamed embrace of power. 80 00:05:02,260 --> 00:05:05,764 [newsreader] Jackie Collins has sold over 500 million books worldwide. 81 00:05:05,847 --> 00:05:06,848 She's got 29… 82 00:05:06,932 --> 00:05:11,061 [woman] Jackie's novels really helped to create the ethos of the 80s. 83 00:05:11,144 --> 00:05:13,897 [presenter] Without any doubt, one of the best-selling authors in the world. 84 00:05:13,980 --> 00:05:16,066 [Tracy] That kind of became who she was. 85 00:05:16,149 --> 00:05:19,986 [presenter] The most highly paid author in the United Kingdom. 86 00:05:20,070 --> 00:05:22,322 [dramatic music playing] 87 00:05:22,531 --> 00:05:26,785 [woman] Girl, woman, she, it's another word for a chick. 88 00:05:27,369 --> 00:05:28,745 -Lady… -[woman 2] Second word. 89 00:05:28,829 --> 00:05:30,831 -The… -Count five. 90 00:05:31,832 --> 00:05:33,542 [woman 2] Tray. Boss. 91 00:05:42,300 --> 00:05:43,426 [clapperboard clacks] 92 00:05:44,719 --> 00:05:48,223 {\an8}Well, hi, I'm so glad to meet you and I… 93 00:05:48,306 --> 00:05:51,476 {\an8}I think it's very exciting that you came in from London, 94 00:05:51,852 --> 00:05:56,690 and that you're doing really a record of Jackie Collins. 95 00:05:58,400 --> 00:05:59,651 [waves lapping] 96 00:06:03,864 --> 00:06:05,407 [mellow music playing] 97 00:06:08,243 --> 00:06:11,621 [Jackie] "The raft lay ahead, empty and inviting." 98 00:06:13,999 --> 00:06:16,960 {\an8}"What must it be like to be shipwrecked, cut off, alone in the world?" 99 00:06:18,670 --> 00:06:20,630 {\an8}"She often felt alone in the world." 100 00:06:24,384 --> 00:06:26,469 "She swam rapidly toward the raft… 101 00:06:28,054 --> 00:06:30,140 without another thought, he stripped off his shirt 102 00:06:30,223 --> 00:06:32,017 and plunged into the sea after her." 103 00:06:33,977 --> 00:06:35,228 "Don't talk." 104 00:06:35,896 --> 00:06:37,898 "'Don't spoil it,' she willed Lennie." 105 00:06:40,483 --> 00:06:43,486 "Salty flesh crushed against salty flesh." 106 00:06:44,446 --> 00:06:46,740 "He pressed his hands into the small of her back 107 00:06:46,823 --> 00:06:48,366 and let her feel his hardness." 108 00:06:49,117 --> 00:06:52,287 "She didn't draw away, but moved her hips slowly suggestively." 109 00:06:54,623 --> 00:06:57,334 "He entered her smoothly and she wrapped her long legs tightly 110 00:06:57,417 --> 00:06:59,127 around his waist and moved with him 111 00:06:59,377 --> 00:07:01,713 as if they had been together many times before." 112 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:10,221 "And then, she was lost in sensation, floating in paradise." 113 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,684 "Taken over by a throbbing release which sent her into spasms of delight." 114 00:07:17,604 --> 00:07:20,523 "He stared into her eyes, so deep and full of secrets." 115 00:07:24,027 --> 00:07:25,153 "Who was she?" 116 00:07:26,279 --> 00:07:27,864 [music intensifies] 117 00:07:33,745 --> 00:07:34,871 [Tracy] She was very private. 118 00:07:35,705 --> 00:07:38,667 {\an8}That's a huge persona that she'd go on interviews, 119 00:07:38,750 --> 00:07:42,671 {\an8}she would present in the same way. She was very warm, very affectionate. 120 00:07:43,672 --> 00:07:47,092 But she gave very, very little away about herself. 121 00:07:48,051 --> 00:07:52,931 {\an8}I think people devolved a very natural interest in who is she and what-- 122 00:07:53,056 --> 00:07:55,100 {\an8}How she'd come to be this person. 123 00:07:56,142 --> 00:07:58,311 And that story was never told by her. 124 00:07:59,604 --> 00:08:01,815 {\an8}[Rory] It turned out that she really was her own archiver. 125 00:08:01,898 --> 00:08:06,403 {\an8}I mean, she had hung on to sort of every element of her entire life and career. 126 00:08:06,987 --> 00:08:09,781 Almost every single letter that she'd ever received. 127 00:08:09,864 --> 00:08:13,451 [Tiffany] Correspondence, letters with her and Joan, diaries. 128 00:08:13,535 --> 00:08:17,122 {\an8}She kept it obviously for a reason, I mean, it's incredible, 129 00:08:17,205 --> 00:08:20,834 {\an8}but there's a reason why she kept it all, it's her whole life. 130 00:08:23,670 --> 00:08:26,715 [Tracy] Had she lived longer, she may well had written 131 00:08:26,798 --> 00:08:29,592 that whole story that she had inside her… 132 00:08:30,885 --> 00:08:32,470 you know, waiting to tell. 133 00:08:50,405 --> 00:08:52,949 [interviewer] It seems to me that Jackie had different personas. 134 00:08:53,616 --> 00:08:54,659 {\an8}She did. 135 00:08:54,784 --> 00:08:56,453 {\an8}[interviewer] Can you tell me a bit about that? 136 00:08:57,454 --> 00:09:00,915 {\an8}Well, I think Jackie suffered for a while 137 00:09:01,708 --> 00:09:04,044 of the baby sister syndrome. 138 00:09:04,419 --> 00:09:08,173 -[dramatic music playing] -You must give the order, your majesty. 139 00:09:10,592 --> 00:09:11,801 The order is given. 140 00:09:14,304 --> 00:09:16,639 {\an8}[Tita] Joan was extremely beautiful. 141 00:09:16,723 --> 00:09:19,642 {\an8}[newsreader] Joan Collins arrives at London airport from America. 142 00:09:19,976 --> 00:09:22,729 {\an8}This young star has been described by a Hollywood chief 143 00:09:22,812 --> 00:09:25,815 as the greatest screen asset America has imported from Britain. 144 00:09:27,442 --> 00:09:32,864 [Tita] And I mean a natural beauty with flawless skin and high cheek bones. 145 00:09:32,947 --> 00:09:34,449 She was very beautiful. 146 00:09:35,575 --> 00:09:38,828 And then, there was the baby sister… 147 00:09:40,455 --> 00:09:44,000 who was very beautiful on the inside. 148 00:09:44,542 --> 00:09:46,586 -[interviewer] Yeah. -If you know what I mean. 149 00:09:48,379 --> 00:09:50,215 {\an8}Okay. Uh… 150 00:09:52,217 --> 00:09:53,635 {\an8}And who are you? [chuckles] 151 00:09:53,718 --> 00:09:55,804 -[man] I'm the AC guy. -Oh, hi. 152 00:09:55,887 --> 00:09:56,763 -[man] Hi. -Hi. 153 00:09:56,846 --> 00:09:58,389 -Part of the video. -Okay. 154 00:10:00,183 --> 00:10:01,976 [Joan] When I starred in movies, 155 00:10:02,102 --> 00:10:05,396 {\an8}she cut out every single thing that was in the papers, 156 00:10:05,563 --> 00:10:08,733 {\an8}pasted them in scrapbooks and wrote underneath it, 157 00:10:09,192 --> 00:10:13,154 "Wolverhampton Echo, January, da, da, da." 158 00:10:15,740 --> 00:10:17,700 She was the younger sister. 159 00:10:18,326 --> 00:10:20,829 It's like a marriage, you know. 160 00:10:20,912 --> 00:10:24,082 It doesn't all go along just perfectly wonderfully all the time. 161 00:10:26,459 --> 00:10:28,044 She was always scribbling away. 162 00:10:28,503 --> 00:10:31,798 I never really asked what she was writing, but she was certainly writing. 163 00:10:34,801 --> 00:10:37,428 {\an8}[narrator] "1953, 14th of May." 164 00:10:40,265 --> 00:10:41,599 "Went to a party with Joan." 165 00:10:42,058 --> 00:10:46,146 "It was fun, but I get an awful inferiority complex when I'm with Joan." 166 00:10:47,939 --> 00:10:50,275 "I feel all big and clumsy and dull." 167 00:10:53,570 --> 00:10:55,989 "And Joan says everyone says I copy her." 168 00:11:00,410 --> 00:11:03,788 {\an8}[Joan] I knew that she was thinking about becoming an actress 169 00:11:04,038 --> 00:11:07,250 {\an8}and I gave her some advice, I said she should try and get into R.A.D.A. 170 00:11:07,333 --> 00:11:10,503 And she said, "Don't worry about me, I'm going to be fine." 171 00:11:13,298 --> 00:11:15,508 [narrator] "Please God, let me get into R.A.D.A." 172 00:11:17,969 --> 00:11:20,972 "Rehearsed most of the day until five when the show began." 173 00:11:22,015 --> 00:11:23,725 "Joan told me I was very good… 174 00:11:24,934 --> 00:11:27,103 and not at all awkward as she had expected." 175 00:11:32,567 --> 00:11:37,530 [Joan] She was very shy at first, but she realized at an early age 176 00:11:37,614 --> 00:11:42,243 that she had a fantastic figure and the boys liked her. 177 00:11:42,368 --> 00:11:45,288 And I think it was a great-- They were great toys. 178 00:11:45,371 --> 00:11:47,332 -[upbeat music playing] -We lived in the basement, 179 00:11:47,457 --> 00:11:49,500 {\an8}very handy so you could just open the window and climb out. 180 00:11:49,584 --> 00:11:53,796 {\an8}Um, I don't think she ever made it to school. [chuckles] 181 00:11:54,964 --> 00:11:57,217 [narrator] "Fourth of August, got train to meet Bob." 182 00:11:57,383 --> 00:11:59,385 "We drove around, necked a bit." 183 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,056 "We took it in turns to lick a lollipop." 184 00:12:04,682 --> 00:12:08,019 "Thirteenth of October. Henry and me necked on the bed." 185 00:12:08,603 --> 00:12:12,815 "We went to Hyde Park, it was raining. He kissed me and said he loved me." 186 00:12:15,652 --> 00:12:18,988 "First of March. Noel kissed me madly on both cheeks." 187 00:12:19,614 --> 00:12:21,783 "Joan says Noel just wants to get banged." 188 00:12:22,659 --> 00:12:25,954 "Eleventh of May. Henry, then up to some flat." 189 00:12:26,454 --> 00:12:29,249 "We started to neck and strip madly." 190 00:12:31,376 --> 00:12:36,506 "Twenty-eighth of October. That French film actor Maurice, he is 30." 191 00:12:38,174 --> 00:12:41,844 "At three, we went to his flat with some other people, it was crazy." 192 00:12:45,098 --> 00:12:49,310 "The parents found out all about Bob, both absolutely furious." 193 00:12:50,311 --> 00:12:53,022 "Daddy shrieked and shouted that I looked like a tart." 194 00:12:53,398 --> 00:12:54,649 "It makes me sick." 195 00:12:58,861 --> 00:13:02,031 "To make matters worse, Joan is going to Hollywood on Thursday." 196 00:13:04,617 --> 00:13:06,744 [Bill] My father was a show business agent. 197 00:13:08,162 --> 00:13:10,039 He was very proud of Joan… 198 00:13:11,666 --> 00:13:15,295 who then became the importance in his life. 199 00:13:17,046 --> 00:13:20,174 [Tracy] Mom would have looked at her sister and thought, 200 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:24,137 {\an8}"Wow, look at the attention that she can get from just being 201 00:13:24,220 --> 00:13:27,807 {\an8}as beautiful as she is, and Joan would win these 202 00:13:28,725 --> 00:13:32,270 {\an8}sort of most beautiful young actress in Great Britain. 203 00:13:32,770 --> 00:13:36,441 {\an8}Meanwhile, Mom was told all sorts of things by her father. 204 00:13:36,858 --> 00:13:39,902 {\an8}That she wasn't beautiful enough, not slim enough, 205 00:13:40,236 --> 00:13:41,988 {\an8}that girls should know their place. 206 00:13:43,406 --> 00:13:44,866 {\an8}I don't think that ever left her. 207 00:13:45,575 --> 00:13:48,202 [soft music playing] 208 00:13:48,995 --> 00:13:51,080 [interviewer] And what was your father like in those days? 209 00:13:52,290 --> 00:13:55,001 [Joan] Remote, strict… 210 00:13:56,753 --> 00:13:58,212 and being an agent. 211 00:13:59,964 --> 00:14:05,720 Charming, everybody loved Joe Collins. I mean, he could turn on the charm. 212 00:14:06,179 --> 00:14:09,515 And so could my mother, my mother was adorable. 213 00:14:10,224 --> 00:14:15,438 {\an8}Sweet, loving, the definitive 1950s housewife. 214 00:14:18,149 --> 00:14:21,152 {\an8}[Bill] "My mom, Elsa, was a quiet and gentle blonde beauty." 215 00:14:23,863 --> 00:14:27,742 {\an8}"Men lusted after her, while women lusted after Joe." 216 00:14:28,993 --> 00:14:33,498 {\an8}"So I guess they were even, except Elsa never did anything about it, 217 00:14:33,915 --> 00:14:35,792 although I am certain Joe did." 218 00:14:36,501 --> 00:14:37,960 "A philanderer for sure." 219 00:14:39,796 --> 00:14:41,923 [dramatic music plays] 220 00:14:42,340 --> 00:14:43,883 [narrator] "My father was a screamer." 221 00:14:44,884 --> 00:14:46,636 "If it could be said he would yell it." 222 00:14:48,137 --> 00:14:50,640 "Once I watched him throw a plate of food at my mother." 223 00:14:52,308 --> 00:14:55,311 "'This is my house, you will obey my rules, 224 00:14:55,436 --> 00:14:57,688 you're old enough and ugly enough.'" 225 00:14:58,898 --> 00:15:00,608 "I am king!" 226 00:15:03,903 --> 00:15:06,280 That's the truth, okay. 227 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:10,368 [narrator] "Nothingville." 228 00:15:11,702 --> 00:15:14,080 "What an awful day, felt awfully alone." 229 00:15:15,373 --> 00:15:16,791 "Had a row with Daddy." 230 00:15:17,667 --> 00:15:20,711 "I've come to the conclusion that I like Mom better than Dad." 231 00:15:26,551 --> 00:15:27,760 {\an8}"Fourth of October." 232 00:15:28,469 --> 00:15:30,012 {\an8}"Sixteen at last." 233 00:15:31,139 --> 00:15:34,642 "I got an express letter from Joan saying she wants me to go to Hollywood 234 00:15:34,725 --> 00:15:36,018 as soon as possible." 235 00:15:36,144 --> 00:15:37,728 [jet engine roars] 236 00:15:38,187 --> 00:15:39,188 [car horn honks] 237 00:15:43,276 --> 00:15:46,946 {\an8}[Joan] Mid '50s Hollywood was extremely glamorous. 238 00:15:47,363 --> 00:15:51,534 Marlon Brando and James Dean and a whole bunch of other people. 239 00:15:52,201 --> 00:15:56,664 And so Jackie joined the set and she was the little-- The kid. 240 00:15:56,789 --> 00:15:58,040 [jazz music playing] 241 00:16:02,879 --> 00:16:04,130 [narrator] "First of July." 242 00:16:04,213 --> 00:16:07,467 "Went to a cocktail party at Diana Dors, got very loaded." 243 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:11,804 "Went to a party where I danced up a storm to 'Voodoo Suite' by myself." 244 00:16:12,972 --> 00:16:16,642 [Joan] We went to a lot of nightclubs and danced like, 245 00:16:16,726 --> 00:16:21,230 you know, Mocambo and Ciro's, and yes, I would take Jackie, uh, 246 00:16:21,481 --> 00:16:27,570 because there was always an extra man hanging around and, um, she loved it. 247 00:16:27,945 --> 00:16:29,155 [narrator] "Fifteenth of January." 248 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:31,199 "Went to a cocktail party at Judy Garland's." 249 00:16:31,282 --> 00:16:32,200 "Fourth of March." 250 00:16:32,283 --> 00:16:35,036 "Went with Joan to the Gene Kelly's, we played ping-pong with Sid Chaplin" 251 00:16:35,119 --> 00:16:38,623 {\an8}"Met Bridgette Bardot, a French film star, God, she's cute." 252 00:16:38,706 --> 00:16:42,376 "Marilyn Monroe, her walk could make a revolving door look stationary." 253 00:16:44,003 --> 00:16:45,004 "Twelfth of January." 254 00:16:45,087 --> 00:16:47,757 "Saw the casting people at 20th Century Fox with Joan." 255 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:49,050 [indistinct chatter] 256 00:16:49,175 --> 00:16:51,052 "Joan is trying to get me in the picture." 257 00:16:53,471 --> 00:16:54,722 "Twenty-eighth of January." 258 00:16:54,805 --> 00:16:58,142 "Met Marlon Brando, I spoke to him quite a lot." 259 00:16:58,684 --> 00:17:01,103 "He's only my height and kind of fat." 260 00:17:03,189 --> 00:17:05,441 [Joan] Well, it's sort of folklore now. 261 00:17:06,817 --> 00:17:12,073 I was sitting at a dinner-- A party, one of those casual… 262 00:17:12,156 --> 00:17:16,077 It was always barbecues and jeans and t-shirts and I was sitting 263 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:21,832 with, um, Stewart Stern, who was the writer of Rebel Without a Cause 264 00:17:21,916 --> 00:17:26,671 and, um, Paul Newman and, uh, Arthur Lowe. 265 00:17:29,173 --> 00:17:31,425 [narrator] "Around 12, Marlon Brando arrived, 266 00:17:31,634 --> 00:17:35,137 talked to him a while, then went up to Arthur's room." 267 00:17:36,889 --> 00:17:39,225 "He called me sincere, sweet and luscious." 268 00:17:40,768 --> 00:17:44,438 He took her by the hand and he took her upstairs. 269 00:17:44,522 --> 00:17:47,567 And I was saying, "Where are you going?" 270 00:17:47,650 --> 00:17:49,360 She said, "I'll be fine." 271 00:17:49,902 --> 00:17:51,821 Like… [scoffs] …"Get out of it." 272 00:17:52,655 --> 00:17:54,407 [jazz music playing] 273 00:18:03,249 --> 00:18:04,375 [narrator] "Sixth of August." 274 00:18:04,917 --> 00:18:07,378 "Got a letter from Mommy telling me to come home." 275 00:18:09,088 --> 00:18:11,549 "I cried and cried and cried." 276 00:18:19,056 --> 00:18:23,477 [Joan] That's when I found out that she was writing down a lot of things. 277 00:18:25,021 --> 00:18:27,106 And I remember she was writing and she said, 278 00:18:27,189 --> 00:18:29,275 "One day I'm going to write a book about all of this." 279 00:18:29,775 --> 00:18:31,485 And I said, "Well, I think that's a great idea 280 00:18:31,569 --> 00:18:34,322 because you know what Hollywood is really like." 281 00:18:42,246 --> 00:18:44,999 [presenter] Her ninth book is currently a major best-selling title 282 00:18:45,082 --> 00:18:46,208 on all the best seller charts. 283 00:18:46,334 --> 00:18:48,461 Hollywood Wives and truthfully her phone 284 00:18:48,544 --> 00:18:50,963 hasn't stopped ringing with people wanting to know 285 00:18:51,047 --> 00:18:53,382 who is really supposed to be who in the book. 286 00:18:53,883 --> 00:18:55,051 So would you welcome, please, 287 00:18:55,176 --> 00:18:58,012 the lady that's rocked Beverly Hills, Jackie Collins! Yeah! 288 00:18:58,095 --> 00:18:59,972 [audience applauding] 289 00:19:06,646 --> 00:19:09,106 I'm Morton Janklow, I'm a literary agent. 290 00:19:09,565 --> 00:19:14,654 {\an8}And I was a literary agent for Jackie Collins for about 22 years. 291 00:19:17,198 --> 00:19:19,033 It was a very simple formula. 292 00:19:19,909 --> 00:19:25,915 She would observe things in life, and then translate them into books. 293 00:19:26,540 --> 00:19:30,211 I could sometimes pick out the characters in her books 294 00:19:30,294 --> 00:19:32,213 who were based on real life people. 295 00:19:32,338 --> 00:19:35,091 I think to be successful, you have to write about what you know. 296 00:19:35,174 --> 00:19:38,135 And whether I'm lucky or unlucky enough to know a lot about Hollywood, 297 00:19:38,219 --> 00:19:40,262 I think it's what I like to write about. 298 00:19:40,346 --> 00:19:41,764 And Hollywood Wives is fiction, 299 00:19:42,264 --> 00:19:44,517 but of course it is based very much on facts. 300 00:19:44,642 --> 00:19:47,019 -Where were you? -[man] Talk to my wife. 301 00:19:47,103 --> 00:19:48,646 What time do you call this? 302 00:19:48,938 --> 00:19:50,731 {\an8}[laughing] 303 00:19:52,441 --> 00:19:53,734 {\an8}[Jackie] Well, people loved that, they'd go, 304 00:19:53,818 --> 00:19:55,403 {\an8}"Oh, I know who that character is." 305 00:19:55,528 --> 00:19:58,572 {\an8}"It's-- It's Clint Eastwood!" And I'd go, "No." 306 00:19:58,656 --> 00:19:59,907 "Well, then it's Burt Reynolds!" 307 00:20:00,032 --> 00:20:02,076 And I'd go, "No, you have to play the guessing game, 308 00:20:02,159 --> 00:20:04,453 that's the whole fun of a Jackie Collins book." 309 00:20:04,745 --> 00:20:05,913 [man] Bye-bye. 310 00:20:06,831 --> 00:20:10,584 You know, they know that I'm not some little old lady in, uh, Des Moines, 311 00:20:10,710 --> 00:20:13,129 writing about the Hollywood that I think exists, 312 00:20:13,212 --> 00:20:14,630 -I'm actually out there… -[host] Right. Right. 313 00:20:14,714 --> 00:20:16,799 …in Hollywood doing a lot of research, um, 314 00:20:17,174 --> 00:20:20,469 forcing myself to go to parties and watch the movie stars at play. 315 00:20:22,096 --> 00:20:26,559 [Morton] The success of Hollywood Wives was so unexpectedly enormous. 316 00:20:29,103 --> 00:20:31,856 We were hoping for good sales, but the sales were tremendous. 317 00:20:34,233 --> 00:20:37,653 She made a lot of money and that really set her up. 318 00:20:44,243 --> 00:20:49,915 [Barbara] My husband, Marvin Davis, was a very successful oil man. 319 00:20:51,959 --> 00:20:58,382 In 1981 or 82, Marvin bought 20th Century Fox. 320 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:06,265 It is really fun to have a studio. It really is. 321 00:21:07,850 --> 00:21:10,561 Here is Prince Edward… 322 00:21:15,149 --> 00:21:18,027 {\an8}someone who was the head of ABC at the time 323 00:21:18,903 --> 00:21:21,447 {\an8}and the queen. 324 00:21:23,199 --> 00:21:24,658 Jackie Collins. 325 00:21:25,951 --> 00:21:30,289 Actually, we entertained your queen 326 00:21:30,456 --> 00:21:33,626 on sound stage 9, Queen Elizabeth. 327 00:21:33,709 --> 00:21:37,630 [newsreader] A dinner for 500 guests at the studios of 20th Century Fox 328 00:21:37,797 --> 00:21:40,299 is the hottest ticket in Tinsel Town for years. 329 00:21:40,382 --> 00:21:41,258 [camera shutters clicking] 330 00:21:41,342 --> 00:21:45,846 I used to bring a baked potato with me wherever I went, 331 00:21:46,764 --> 00:21:50,267 so that I had something plain on the side. 332 00:21:52,978 --> 00:21:58,025 I took out my little gold bag and I put my baked potato on the plate. 333 00:21:58,609 --> 00:22:00,277 And she said… 334 00:22:00,402 --> 00:22:04,156 [imitating the Queen] …"Oh, how wonderful, what a good idea." 335 00:22:05,282 --> 00:22:10,871 From the minute I met Jackie that night, we were bonded, we were close. 336 00:22:11,914 --> 00:22:18,003 And she didn't do it in a way that you would notice. 337 00:22:18,671 --> 00:22:21,090 Her notes were right up here. 338 00:22:21,841 --> 00:22:23,217 [soft music playing] 339 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:32,351 {\an8}[Tita] 90210 was a very close knit 340 00:22:33,435 --> 00:22:34,937 and small community. 341 00:22:35,145 --> 00:22:36,355 [indistinct chatter] 342 00:22:39,483 --> 00:22:42,278 We were in each other's lives is all I can say. 343 00:22:42,903 --> 00:22:47,199 None of us can be invited to everything all the time. 344 00:22:48,951 --> 00:22:54,290 Cary Grant, Kirk Douglas, Gene Kelly, Gregory Peck, Louise Jourdan. 345 00:22:55,249 --> 00:22:57,710 -[Jackie] And here we have Mr. Caine. -What sort of a camera is that? 346 00:22:57,793 --> 00:23:00,588 [Tita] The Caines, the Moores and the Connerys too. 347 00:23:01,463 --> 00:23:02,798 [Jackie] In the flesh. 348 00:23:02,882 --> 00:23:08,679 Jackie had an absolute gift of taking notes 349 00:23:09,013 --> 00:23:12,474 and photographing us without being intrusive. 350 00:23:14,476 --> 00:23:16,562 [Oprah] Caller, your chance to talk to Jackie, hi. 351 00:23:16,645 --> 00:23:18,272 [caller] All right, my question is, 352 00:23:18,439 --> 00:23:21,317 is her life as exciting as the books that she writes? 353 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:22,693 [Oprah] Is your life as exciting, that's good. 354 00:23:22,776 --> 00:23:24,445 Jackie, is your life as exciting? 355 00:23:24,570 --> 00:23:27,072 Yeah, I've got a pretty exciting life, I think so. 356 00:23:27,406 --> 00:23:30,951 {\an8}She knew that I was gay, and so of course her eyes lit up 357 00:23:31,035 --> 00:23:33,871 {\an8}when she found out that I was a lesbian and that I… 358 00:23:33,954 --> 00:23:36,749 {\an8}She always wanted to know about my personal life. 359 00:23:36,916 --> 00:23:41,587 -Was I in a relationship, was I dating? -[Jackie] "For Susan preferred women." 360 00:23:42,338 --> 00:23:45,132 "For the last three years she'd been having a very satisfying affair 361 00:23:45,215 --> 00:23:49,136 with the producer's wife, sexy copper-haired Paige Wheeler." 362 00:23:50,304 --> 00:23:53,474 [Gina] I was in one relationship where I had a girlfriend in Palm Springs, 363 00:23:53,557 --> 00:23:59,355 and I would come back and she would want explicit details about what I had done. 364 00:23:59,813 --> 00:24:01,815 [Jackie] "They were naked and playing games." 365 00:24:02,399 --> 00:24:04,652 Who I had seen, what did they look like. 366 00:24:04,777 --> 00:24:06,654 [Jackie] "You show me yours, I'll show you mine." 367 00:24:07,488 --> 00:24:08,530 Um… 368 00:24:08,822 --> 00:24:11,659 She wanted sort of the outer layer, 369 00:24:11,742 --> 00:24:15,579 so that she could create the inner details, 370 00:24:15,704 --> 00:24:17,081 was sort of the sense I got. 371 00:24:19,458 --> 00:24:21,460 Here we have the great Mr. Jack Provano. 372 00:24:23,128 --> 00:24:24,380 [Melody Korenbrot] When we first met Jackie, 373 00:24:24,505 --> 00:24:26,799 we got a phone call from a New York publicist 374 00:24:27,049 --> 00:24:30,719 {\an8}who asked if we'd be interested in this author named Jackie Collins. 375 00:24:30,803 --> 00:24:34,431 {\an8}We had no clue who she was, we were movie publicists. 376 00:24:35,099 --> 00:24:36,725 [man] Where are you going, Melody? Where are you? 377 00:24:36,809 --> 00:24:39,144 -I'm carrying-- Down here. -[both laughing] 378 00:24:39,228 --> 00:24:41,271 -[man] Where are you going? -Gonna carry her bags, as usual. 379 00:24:41,355 --> 00:24:45,859 [Melody] In the '80s, she was one of the few, there's a handful that wrote. 380 00:24:46,485 --> 00:24:49,238 [Morton] I had Judy Clarence and Barbara Taylor Bradford 381 00:24:49,321 --> 00:24:50,614 and Danielle Steel. 382 00:24:51,156 --> 00:24:53,450 But Jackie was the only one I knew 383 00:24:53,784 --> 00:24:57,413 who really notices that it was dependent on her hard work. 384 00:24:59,164 --> 00:25:02,668 When she'd written a book, she would attend marketing meetings. 385 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,880 Most authors don't do that. They hand in the book and then disappear. 386 00:25:08,382 --> 00:25:10,342 She was out front, she was there. 387 00:25:12,302 --> 00:25:13,554 [Oprah] You can ask a question, yes. 388 00:25:13,637 --> 00:25:15,681 Miss Collins, you're a very beautiful lady, 389 00:25:15,764 --> 00:25:17,725 but you have an inner beauty about you. 390 00:25:17,891 --> 00:25:19,476 -Doesn't she? -Oh, yes, and… 391 00:25:19,852 --> 00:25:22,730 [Barbara] Her women were strong in her books. 392 00:25:25,733 --> 00:25:28,444 And they came from a strong person. 393 00:25:30,654 --> 00:25:34,575 And I think Jackie was a strong person. 394 00:25:35,325 --> 00:25:36,869 [all laughing] 395 00:25:36,994 --> 00:25:43,792 And women who would not ever read books before loved her. 396 00:25:45,169 --> 00:25:47,004 [interviewer] Why did you get onto the line? 397 00:25:47,087 --> 00:25:48,464 Because we like reading her books. 398 00:25:48,630 --> 00:25:50,507 [interviewer] How many of the other books have you read? 399 00:25:50,591 --> 00:25:52,509 -All of them. [chuckles] -[women chuckling] 400 00:25:52,593 --> 00:25:53,886 [woman] I'm an addict. 401 00:25:58,557 --> 00:26:01,643 [Jackie] Here we have Hazel in Paris. Bonjour, Hazel. 402 00:26:01,727 --> 00:26:02,936 Bonjour! 403 00:26:03,020 --> 00:26:05,230 [Hazel] I went to all Jackie's book signings. 404 00:26:05,314 --> 00:26:06,815 [speaking French] 405 00:26:08,192 --> 00:26:12,071 {\an8}One after the other of women would just go up 406 00:26:12,154 --> 00:26:13,864 {\an8}to her and say, "I'd like you to sign my book." 407 00:26:14,281 --> 00:26:17,201 "But please can I tell you, thank you so much." 408 00:26:17,284 --> 00:26:20,871 "From reading your books, I now have so much more courage." 409 00:26:21,246 --> 00:26:23,499 And, "Thank you, I was in a really bad relationship." 410 00:26:23,832 --> 00:26:24,875 One after the other. 411 00:26:27,753 --> 00:26:30,047 [Melody] There would be lines around the block. 412 00:26:31,423 --> 00:26:35,803 Every person got a moment with her. She didn't treat anyone badly. 413 00:26:36,220 --> 00:26:39,556 You got to talk to her, she talked to you. 414 00:26:40,432 --> 00:26:41,892 Her fans made her 415 00:26:41,975 --> 00:26:44,728 and she wasn't going to treat them poorly, ever. 416 00:26:45,145 --> 00:26:46,730 [interviewer] Are you going to read the book after? 417 00:26:46,814 --> 00:26:49,483 We're going to read the book when we get on this line. 418 00:26:49,775 --> 00:26:52,736 By the time we get to her, this book will be finished. [chuckles] 419 00:26:56,573 --> 00:27:03,080 {\an8}There is nobody, you know, that built the empire as far as the brand 420 00:27:03,497 --> 00:27:04,540 {\an8}like she did. 421 00:27:05,207 --> 00:27:11,463 {\an8}I-- I don't know of another authoress that has done that. 422 00:27:11,547 --> 00:27:12,965 [indistinct chatter] 423 00:27:13,549 --> 00:27:16,593 I can tell you it's substantial, I can tell you it's millions, 424 00:27:16,677 --> 00:27:19,471 but, you know, I certainly can't tell you what, 425 00:27:19,555 --> 00:27:22,099 you know, her empire was worth. 426 00:27:23,809 --> 00:27:26,145 [interviewer] But in Hollywood terms it was significant? 427 00:27:26,228 --> 00:27:27,396 Substantial. 428 00:27:28,605 --> 00:27:29,731 [interviewer] Yeah. 429 00:27:32,776 --> 00:27:36,780 [Rory] To be an author and to also have that level of celebrity, 430 00:27:37,156 --> 00:27:38,532 that was unheard of. 431 00:27:40,826 --> 00:27:43,704 [Tiffany] She was a larger than life character. 432 00:27:45,164 --> 00:27:46,415 She was there for all her friends, 433 00:27:46,498 --> 00:27:48,417 everybody thought that they were the best friend. 434 00:27:49,334 --> 00:27:54,673 My name is Laura Lizer and I was Jackie's business manager, 435 00:27:54,756 --> 00:27:56,967 but also, I was her best friend. 436 00:27:57,384 --> 00:28:01,221 I'm Jan Gold and I'm Jackie Collins' best friend. 437 00:28:01,763 --> 00:28:06,393 My relationship to Jackie Collins is a best friend. 438 00:28:07,144 --> 00:28:08,312 [sighs] 439 00:28:08,645 --> 00:28:10,355 Well, anyway. 440 00:28:12,441 --> 00:28:14,693 -[caller] Good morning, Jackie. -Good morning, how are you? 441 00:28:14,776 --> 00:28:16,612 [caller] I'm doing great, can you tell me-- 442 00:28:17,529 --> 00:28:19,198 -…in just a couple of minutes. -Okay. 443 00:28:19,531 --> 00:28:20,657 [static] 444 00:28:21,617 --> 00:28:23,577 [Tita] She lived in Jackie land. 445 00:28:25,370 --> 00:28:31,710 But she was far more fragile than she would have you know. 446 00:28:34,213 --> 00:28:39,009 Very few people saw past the facade. 447 00:28:42,304 --> 00:28:44,765 [hums] 448 00:28:45,891 --> 00:28:47,684 -[projector whirring] -[birds singing] 449 00:28:49,728 --> 00:28:51,188 [soft music playing] 450 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,027 [narrator] "Twenty-third of Feb. I went around several model agencies." 451 00:28:58,278 --> 00:29:00,822 "Went for an interview and I had to put on my bikini." 452 00:29:02,324 --> 00:29:04,952 "In makeup I was told my nose was too long." 453 00:29:05,827 --> 00:29:08,789 "Went to see Bill Watts, he said my eyebrows were too thick." 454 00:29:09,957 --> 00:29:12,417 "I look awful, Joan told me so." 455 00:29:15,337 --> 00:29:17,047 "I wish I could get some work." 456 00:29:20,300 --> 00:29:21,843 [Joan] She did a picture with Alec Guinness, 457 00:29:21,927 --> 00:29:24,179 I remember she was very excited about that. 458 00:29:26,014 --> 00:29:29,101 And then she played opposite Roger Moore in The Saint. 459 00:29:35,941 --> 00:29:40,696 And then Daddy sent her off on the variety circuit 460 00:29:40,904 --> 00:29:45,993 and she was billed as Joan Collins' younger sister, 461 00:29:46,159 --> 00:29:49,204 which I think infuriated her. 462 00:29:54,334 --> 00:29:55,961 She didn't want to be associated with me, 463 00:29:56,044 --> 00:29:58,005 because people would always ask her about me, you know. 464 00:30:07,055 --> 00:30:08,598 [narrator] "Twenty-first of September." 465 00:30:09,975 --> 00:30:12,102 {\an8}"Went to Harley Street to have a nose operation." 466 00:30:12,519 --> 00:30:15,022 {\an8}"I can't swallow or breathe and look like a monster." 467 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:17,941 [Tita] I hate to say these things, 468 00:30:18,150 --> 00:30:23,697 but Jackie had a lot of fixing to do and she struggled with weight. 469 00:30:24,114 --> 00:30:28,702 And the teeth are done and the nose was done. 470 00:30:28,785 --> 00:30:35,375 I mean, I'm just being frank, but she made herself just beautiful. 471 00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:39,713 [narrator] "Twenty-eighth of October." 472 00:30:40,547 --> 00:30:42,257 "I love my new nose." 473 00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:45,093 ["My Dearest One" playing] 474 00:30:51,850 --> 00:30:53,226 ♪ There is one… ♪ 475 00:30:55,312 --> 00:30:56,563 [narrator] "May 17th." 476 00:30:56,813 --> 00:30:59,608 "Had dinner at Wallace's with him, a nice quiet evening." 477 00:31:00,692 --> 00:31:02,319 "Lately things are great with us." 478 00:31:02,402 --> 00:31:04,363 ♪ I want you near to me… ♪ 479 00:31:05,906 --> 00:31:09,534 {\an8}[Jennifer] She had had some flood damage in one of her rooms, 480 00:31:09,701 --> 00:31:12,788 {\an8}and, um, we had to go through a number of items 481 00:31:12,871 --> 00:31:19,461 {\an8}and there was a suitcase on a shelf that, um, I opened and she said, 482 00:31:19,544 --> 00:31:21,755 {\an8}"Oh, that was my-- My first wedding dress." 483 00:31:22,089 --> 00:31:23,965 [indistinct chatter] 484 00:31:25,300 --> 00:31:27,177 ♪ Truly I do… ♪ 485 00:31:27,260 --> 00:31:29,304 [Tiffany] I don't know how they met actually. 486 00:31:30,013 --> 00:31:33,266 But Wallace sort of appeared in her life. 487 00:31:33,975 --> 00:31:36,561 -[Bill] They met at a dinner party. -[laughs] 488 00:31:37,562 --> 00:31:40,774 He was very charismatic, he was lovely, he was a very nice person. 489 00:31:40,857 --> 00:31:43,276 ♪ But please… ♪ 490 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,656 [Joan] He was from a nice family and my parents liked him a lot. 491 00:31:47,739 --> 00:31:50,158 He was solid, he had a business. 492 00:31:51,743 --> 00:31:53,662 [Tracy] She'd been struggling in her career, 493 00:31:53,745 --> 00:31:56,206 she hadn't really become an actress. 494 00:31:56,456 --> 00:31:59,709 And she was really swept off her feet. 495 00:31:59,793 --> 00:32:02,921 You know, they went to Gstaad and they went skiing 496 00:32:03,004 --> 00:32:05,882 and they went here and they went there and he took her to Italy. 497 00:32:07,134 --> 00:32:10,971 It was an incredibly sort of whirlwind romance. 498 00:32:13,014 --> 00:32:17,352 [Rory] Wallace was very desirable in the kind of social scene. 499 00:32:18,895 --> 00:32:20,147 Had a lot of ladies. 500 00:32:20,856 --> 00:32:23,108 And I think, you know, that she liked a challenge. 501 00:32:24,401 --> 00:32:25,735 [indistinct chatter] 502 00:32:26,486 --> 00:32:29,698 [Tracy] He was what they would consider in those days a playboy. 503 00:32:30,740 --> 00:32:32,159 But he had money and it would mean 504 00:32:32,492 --> 00:32:36,079 that she was be able to move away from her father. 505 00:32:37,414 --> 00:32:41,585 [narrator] "We drove to Sanremo for the day, went to Monte Carlo Casino, 506 00:32:42,002 --> 00:32:45,005 -later ate at the harbor in Cannes." -[laughs] 507 00:32:45,505 --> 00:32:49,217 ♪ I do ♪ 508 00:32:49,593 --> 00:32:53,847 [Rory] When Hollywood didn't happen, I'm guessing she just thought, 509 00:32:54,347 --> 00:32:56,183 "Maybe I'll just get married." 510 00:32:57,434 --> 00:33:01,354 [narrator] "April 21st. Daddy started talking about me and W." 511 00:33:02,606 --> 00:33:04,191 "We discussed getting engaged." 512 00:33:06,943 --> 00:33:13,116 [Joan] It was a very, very big, fancy-schmancy wedding at Roman House. 513 00:33:15,619 --> 00:33:19,706 Jackie had a 21 inch waist, she looked absolutely ravishing. 514 00:33:20,540 --> 00:33:22,334 Wallace was in a top hat. 515 00:33:22,959 --> 00:33:27,380 -Oh, God! And I came with Warren. -[indistinct chatter] 516 00:33:28,381 --> 00:33:30,592 We took pictures, we made speeches. 517 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,679 It was a lovely wedding. 518 00:33:40,227 --> 00:33:44,231 Later she had showed me a photograph of her in that-- 519 00:33:44,356 --> 00:33:49,611 In that dress and we talked about Wallace, we talked about, um, 520 00:33:50,028 --> 00:33:53,990 just that he was not emotionally well. 521 00:33:54,699 --> 00:33:57,577 [narrator] "Spent the day with Wallace, he's still ill." 522 00:33:58,078 --> 00:34:00,163 "I'm so happy with him most times." 523 00:34:00,789 --> 00:34:05,752 Very quickly on, she saw something that was really concerning 524 00:34:05,835 --> 00:34:08,880 and really difficult and didn't understand it. 525 00:34:10,048 --> 00:34:11,800 [narrator] "Wallace stayed in bed all day." 526 00:34:12,842 --> 00:34:14,344 "Atmosphere strained." 527 00:34:15,720 --> 00:34:20,684 He had gotten involved in a doctor who started to heavily medicate him. 528 00:34:21,309 --> 00:34:24,980 And consequently that led to him becoming an addict. 529 00:34:26,773 --> 00:34:29,985 [narrator] "Ever since our marriage, my husband has been a drug addict." 530 00:34:31,278 --> 00:34:34,573 "My husband always objected to my having friends into our home, 531 00:34:34,656 --> 00:34:37,409 and would be in a drugged condition when my friends arrived." 532 00:34:37,492 --> 00:34:38,994 "To such an extent that my…" 533 00:34:39,077 --> 00:34:43,331 [Tracy] She was a young woman, married, pregnant with me, 534 00:34:43,540 --> 00:34:50,255 with a husband who was, you know, severely, um, mentally ill. 535 00:34:50,338 --> 00:34:53,174 [narrator] "At twelve o'clock midnight, he leaped out of bed 536 00:34:53,341 --> 00:34:55,552 and I discovered he had taken some methedrine." 537 00:34:58,305 --> 00:35:01,516 [Tracy] "He rushed to the balcony saying he was going to throw himself off." 538 00:35:03,393 --> 00:35:07,147 "After some 15 minutes, Wallace did not reappear from the balcony." 539 00:35:07,397 --> 00:35:09,232 "And growing very worried about his threat, 540 00:35:09,357 --> 00:35:11,651 I went to look for him and found the balcony empty." 541 00:35:11,818 --> 00:35:13,236 {\an8}[somber music playing] 542 00:35:16,531 --> 00:35:20,201 {\an8}He used to threaten her, I think is the right word, 543 00:35:20,285 --> 00:35:23,163 {\an8}that if she left him, that he would commit suicide. 544 00:35:24,331 --> 00:35:25,415 [narrator] "July 12th." 545 00:35:25,915 --> 00:35:30,086 "Wallace kept me up all night, was violent and abusive." 546 00:35:34,257 --> 00:35:37,927 [Joan] I came back from Hollywood, Tracy was born. 547 00:35:41,097 --> 00:35:42,515 [Bill] I would say it was difficult. 548 00:35:42,599 --> 00:35:46,144 She had Tracy, Tracy was very young, and we were looking after her 549 00:35:46,227 --> 00:35:50,231 and going to visit Wallace at the various hospitals he was in. 550 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,529 [narrator] "Dear Mrs. Austin, I'm writing to let you know 551 00:35:56,696 --> 00:35:59,699 that your husband has agreed to undergo some electrical treatment, 552 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,035 which we hope will ease his tension." 553 00:36:02,911 --> 00:36:04,954 "He received his first treatment this morning, 554 00:36:05,121 --> 00:36:06,498 but I am very glad to say that…" 555 00:36:06,581 --> 00:36:11,002 [Tracy] Electroshock therapy was very brutal, it was very primitive. 556 00:36:12,796 --> 00:36:15,256 So not knowing the kind of husband that she would get back 557 00:36:15,340 --> 00:36:20,011 after something like that, the fear must have been, you know, enormous. 558 00:36:20,095 --> 00:36:21,471 -[dog barking] -[ominous music playing] 559 00:36:28,061 --> 00:36:31,314 My mom absolutely worshipped her mom. 560 00:36:33,149 --> 00:36:36,069 Elsa was kind of like this angel, 561 00:36:36,903 --> 00:36:40,657 very warm, very nurturing, very, very loving. 562 00:36:46,287 --> 00:36:52,460 [Joan] Daddy said, "We are not to mention that she has got cancer, 563 00:36:52,544 --> 00:36:58,299 we don't use that word." She's got a virus, she has a bad flu. 564 00:36:58,591 --> 00:37:02,679 It was as though, you know, she had some horrible communic-- 565 00:37:02,762 --> 00:37:08,935 I mean, it was really terrifying how strongly he felt about it 566 00:37:09,018 --> 00:37:14,190 and we would talk about it, we would cry a lot, we would visit her. 567 00:37:15,942 --> 00:37:21,614 And Jackie had Tracy and she would bring Tracy, 568 00:37:21,698 --> 00:37:24,367 little baby Tracy to see Mommy. 569 00:37:24,701 --> 00:37:26,161 [somber music playing] 570 00:37:28,747 --> 00:37:31,958 She had a dying mother, 571 00:37:32,417 --> 00:37:37,213 a father who was so bereft, but covering it all up, 572 00:37:38,089 --> 00:37:41,176 and this husband who I think was now doping. 573 00:37:42,427 --> 00:37:45,221 It must have been very, very hard for her. 574 00:37:48,892 --> 00:37:52,395 [narrator] "Wallace phoned me and said, 'The Lord will have your soul.'" 575 00:37:53,021 --> 00:37:55,190 "He spoke of taking Tracy into court." 576 00:37:58,151 --> 00:38:00,695 [Tracy] Suddenly she was completely trapped… 577 00:38:00,779 --> 00:38:01,863 [baby babbles] 578 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,116 …and probably with no notion of, 579 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,535 "How do I get out of this and what do I do?" 580 00:38:08,328 --> 00:38:09,871 [dramatic music playing] 581 00:38:11,247 --> 00:38:12,707 [car engine starts] 582 00:38:17,754 --> 00:38:19,339 [Melody] She didn't have any money, 583 00:38:20,215 --> 00:38:22,217 but she got up enough courage to leave 584 00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:24,552 in the middle of the night and never looked back. 585 00:38:26,513 --> 00:38:31,226 And shortly after, she found out that he had killed himself. 586 00:38:31,392 --> 00:38:32,727 ["Misty Moon" playing] 587 00:38:33,603 --> 00:38:37,232 I think the circumstances of his death were pretty horrible. 588 00:38:37,690 --> 00:38:41,277 You know, going off into the black forest 589 00:38:41,361 --> 00:38:45,573 and I think he was taking pills, I'm not quite sure how it happened. 590 00:38:45,657 --> 00:38:47,992 ♪ Since my lover had gone… ♪ 591 00:38:48,076 --> 00:38:51,454 [host] As a teenage girl, you married a businessman who was older than you, 592 00:38:51,538 --> 00:38:56,459 who you've described honestly as dynamic, exciting, but a manic depressive 593 00:38:56,918 --> 00:38:58,628 who was dependent upon drugs. 594 00:38:59,462 --> 00:39:01,506 You divorced him after four years of marriage 595 00:39:01,589 --> 00:39:03,716 and shortly afterwards he was found dead. 596 00:39:05,176 --> 00:39:07,512 And you have a daughter from this marriage. 597 00:39:10,181 --> 00:39:13,518 I mean, I knew he would do it, I knew two years before he would do it. 598 00:39:13,768 --> 00:39:16,563 And you can't live your life with somebody saying to you, 599 00:39:16,646 --> 00:39:18,273 "I'm going to kill myself if you leave me," 600 00:39:18,356 --> 00:39:20,358 or, "I'm going to kill myself if you do this or that." 601 00:39:20,525 --> 00:39:22,527 Eventually you have to go off and live your life 602 00:39:22,610 --> 00:39:23,778 and you can't feel guilty about it. 603 00:39:23,862 --> 00:39:26,739 I've never felt guilty about it because I knew he was going to do it 604 00:39:26,823 --> 00:39:28,741 and there was nothing that would have stopped him. 605 00:39:28,825 --> 00:39:30,910 I wouldn't have stopped him, nobody could have stopped him. 606 00:39:34,455 --> 00:39:37,667 [Tracy] This was the defining point I'm guessing in her life 607 00:39:38,793 --> 00:39:43,298 to moving her on, I think, to-- To protecting herself. 608 00:39:43,381 --> 00:39:44,465 And how did she do that? 609 00:39:44,549 --> 00:39:48,219 She… She created a world for herself, 610 00:39:48,511 --> 00:39:52,682 of wonderful characters who wouldn't let her down. 611 00:39:53,474 --> 00:39:55,768 Hi, I'm Jackie Collins. 612 00:39:55,935 --> 00:40:01,107 I write novels, big long powerful stories, the kind I like to read. 613 00:40:01,232 --> 00:40:04,193 And thanks to you I've been lucky, they've all been bestsellers. 614 00:40:04,277 --> 00:40:05,486 And now I'd like you to get… 615 00:40:05,570 --> 00:40:08,615 [Tracy] If she could become successful in her own right, 616 00:40:08,740 --> 00:40:11,659 nobody else could take that away from her. 617 00:40:11,743 --> 00:40:13,369 [upbeat music playing] 618 00:40:15,747 --> 00:40:19,125 The double standard, I grew up with it, didn't you? 619 00:40:19,208 --> 00:40:22,253 Men, as far as far as I could tell, had it all their own way, 620 00:40:22,337 --> 00:40:23,963 and women were very good about it. 621 00:40:24,047 --> 00:40:26,549 They accepted it, as if it was their light in life to wait 622 00:40:26,633 --> 00:40:28,551 quietly in the kitchen or the bedroom. 623 00:40:28,718 --> 00:40:29,844 [crowd chanting] 624 00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:33,640 [Jackie] Why, I ask myself, why do we accept it? 625 00:40:33,973 --> 00:40:36,601 Why do we tolerate a society which nods approvingly 626 00:40:36,684 --> 00:40:39,938 if a married man plays around, but if a married woman does it, 627 00:40:40,021 --> 00:40:43,441 "Oh, dear me. She's a slut, a tramp, a bad woman." 628 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,446 [Morton] She writes about a woman being sexually harassed on the job. 629 00:40:48,696 --> 00:40:50,073 [crowd chanting] 630 00:40:51,282 --> 00:40:53,660 -A horrific marriage. -[crowd chanting] 631 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,829 A man who destroys her temperamentally. 632 00:40:56,955 --> 00:41:00,458 -[crowd chanting] -The authors who do the best 633 00:41:01,250 --> 00:41:03,962 are the ones who personally feel those problems. 634 00:41:04,253 --> 00:41:05,588 [indistinct chatter] 635 00:41:06,464 --> 00:41:09,550 [host] What does feminism mean to you then if you are a feminist? 636 00:41:09,717 --> 00:41:14,055 It means, um… It means freedom, it means sexual freedom, 637 00:41:14,138 --> 00:41:15,640 I don't like the double standard. 638 00:41:15,723 --> 00:41:17,892 I think that, you know, women and men should be able 639 00:41:17,976 --> 00:41:19,686 -to be as free as each other. -["Vitamin C" playing] 640 00:41:19,811 --> 00:41:21,229 ♪ Hey, you ♪ 641 00:41:23,898 --> 00:41:25,066 ♪ You're losing… ♪ 642 00:41:25,149 --> 00:41:31,114 [Joan] She would go for the hunks, the bodybuilders, the six packers. 643 00:41:32,031 --> 00:41:36,244 I mean, she was still very young, she was 21 or 22 years old. 644 00:41:36,327 --> 00:41:39,914 ♪ You're losing, you're losing You're losing, you're losing… ♪ 645 00:41:39,998 --> 00:41:45,086 [Tracy] She certainly got back into having a few relationships. 646 00:41:46,796 --> 00:41:51,259 What her own turmoil was after my father, I don't know. 647 00:41:52,802 --> 00:41:58,808 But she felt that, you know, she deserved more. 648 00:42:00,268 --> 00:42:01,477 ♪ Hey, you ♪ 649 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,315 ♪ You're losing, you're losing ♪ 650 00:42:06,399 --> 00:42:09,819 ♪ You're losing You're losing your vitamin C ♪ 651 00:42:12,447 --> 00:42:13,656 ♪ Hey, you ♪ 652 00:42:23,791 --> 00:42:25,501 -[interviewer] So, Johnny, can you just… -[Johnny Gold] Yes. 653 00:42:25,626 --> 00:42:27,628 [interviewer] …tell me a little bit about yourself? 654 00:42:27,712 --> 00:42:32,050 {\an8}My name is Johnny Gold. I was a partner of Oscar Lerman. 655 00:42:32,425 --> 00:42:34,010 {\an8}[indistinct chatter] 656 00:42:35,053 --> 00:42:37,805 I first met him, I think it was '62. 657 00:42:38,097 --> 00:42:39,891 [seagulls crying] 658 00:42:40,808 --> 00:42:43,519 He said to me, "How would you like to be in the club business?" 659 00:42:44,312 --> 00:42:45,897 I said, "Well, I don't know anything about it." 660 00:42:45,980 --> 00:42:47,106 He said, "You'll learn." 661 00:42:47,774 --> 00:42:52,195 So I said, "Well, fine." And we opened Tramp. 662 00:42:52,653 --> 00:42:54,530 [disco music playing] 663 00:43:03,247 --> 00:43:05,458 [Tita] Oh, I met everybody at Tramp. 664 00:43:05,875 --> 00:43:09,045 I met Muhammad Ali, I met the Caines, I met… 665 00:43:09,128 --> 00:43:12,882 Oh, whoever was in town all stopped at Tramp. 666 00:43:13,174 --> 00:43:14,884 ♪ I'll do anything you ask me to… ♪ 667 00:43:16,803 --> 00:43:20,723 Jackie and myself, and even Joan as well, we would go to this club, 668 00:43:20,807 --> 00:43:23,184 because it was the most in club in London. 669 00:43:26,896 --> 00:43:29,524 ♪ I'll do anything you ask me to… ♪ 670 00:43:29,941 --> 00:43:35,321 {\an8}She used to sweep in looking amazing in this skin tight low cut black dress. 671 00:43:35,488 --> 00:43:38,783 {\an8}She had the dynamite figure and it always had zhuzh around 672 00:43:38,866 --> 00:43:41,994 {\an8}and all the guys would be panting. 673 00:43:43,162 --> 00:43:48,167 [Johnny] Oscar and I are sitting there and Oscar says, "Oh, my God." 674 00:43:48,584 --> 00:43:50,211 And I looked and it's Jackie. 675 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:55,466 And I said, "Oh, my God, Johnny. I'm going to marry that girl." [chuckles] 676 00:43:56,676 --> 00:44:00,638 [Tracy] I know she had two men that both asked her to marry them 677 00:44:00,763 --> 00:44:04,559 and she took me away on holiday with both of them 678 00:44:05,309 --> 00:44:07,145 to decide who was better with me. 679 00:44:07,228 --> 00:44:11,023 [chuckling] So that would have been, you know, very confusing for me, 680 00:44:11,107 --> 00:44:13,734 but nonetheless, she came back and decided 681 00:44:13,860 --> 00:44:15,987 that Oscar was the man for her. 682 00:44:16,112 --> 00:44:18,447 -[soft music playing] -[indistinct chatter] 683 00:44:19,699 --> 00:44:22,702 [Joan] Everybody loved Oscar, they really did. 684 00:44:22,827 --> 00:44:24,871 I never heard a bad word about him. 685 00:44:27,415 --> 00:44:30,710 And he worshipped the ground she walked on. 686 00:44:37,425 --> 00:44:40,011 [Johnny] And the first apartment they lived in was the one 687 00:44:40,094 --> 00:44:41,846 that Jackie was already living in. 688 00:44:42,930 --> 00:44:46,017 And one day he found this manuscript. 689 00:44:47,727 --> 00:44:50,396 And Oscar said, "What is this, Jackie?" 690 00:44:52,607 --> 00:44:55,151 And she said, "Well, I started to try write a book." 691 00:44:57,653 --> 00:45:00,198 So Oscar took it and read it and he said it was good, 692 00:45:00,281 --> 00:45:01,657 he said, "I was really shocked." 693 00:45:02,575 --> 00:45:04,118 And he said, "I made her finish it." 694 00:45:04,202 --> 00:45:05,745 I said, "Jackie you've got to finish this book." 695 00:45:07,663 --> 00:45:08,915 [Jackie] I'd been writing all my life. 696 00:45:08,998 --> 00:45:11,250 I'd written a lot of half books that I hadn't finished, 697 00:45:11,334 --> 00:45:13,586 and he was the first person that said to me, 698 00:45:13,711 --> 00:45:16,255 "It's absolutely terrific and you can do it." 699 00:45:16,422 --> 00:45:18,674 And so I did it, I mean, he said, "You've got to finish it." 700 00:45:18,758 --> 00:45:20,718 I'd never finished anything up until that time. 701 00:45:23,346 --> 00:45:27,183 I think that had been in her sort of psyche for a long time. 702 00:45:28,476 --> 00:45:31,812 Because she had a lot of trauma, you know, prior to that. 703 00:45:32,897 --> 00:45:37,026 But she found that very, very painful to talk about. 704 00:45:38,027 --> 00:45:40,696 Certainly, you know, to be able to sit down and write. 705 00:45:41,364 --> 00:45:44,200 That was her sort of lifeline. 706 00:45:47,578 --> 00:45:49,455 [Jackie] It took me forever, but I finished it. 707 00:45:49,872 --> 00:45:51,624 And then I looked along my bookcase 708 00:45:51,707 --> 00:45:54,752 and saw a publisher that I had a lot of their books and I thought, 709 00:45:54,877 --> 00:45:57,838 "Well, if I like what they publish, maybe they'll like what I write." 710 00:46:00,967 --> 00:46:04,637 [Tracy] In those days you actually had to send a big thick manuscript off. 711 00:46:06,097 --> 00:46:10,726 And I think it got picked up by the first publisher that it got sent to. 712 00:46:12,603 --> 00:46:14,188 Four hundred pounds. 713 00:46:15,564 --> 00:46:18,192 Four hundred pounds she got for that first book. 714 00:46:18,859 --> 00:46:22,154 How did I remember that? Anyway, um… 715 00:46:22,238 --> 00:46:23,698 [interviewer] And what was that book called? 716 00:46:24,073 --> 00:46:26,450 I think-- Was it The World Is Full of Married Men? 717 00:46:26,534 --> 00:46:28,411 {\an8}["Devil Woman" playing] 718 00:46:32,540 --> 00:46:35,376 "Chapter one. Claudia was in bed, 719 00:46:35,459 --> 00:46:38,963 she was a very beautiful girl and she knew it." 720 00:46:39,213 --> 00:46:42,591 "And David knew it, so everyone was happy." 721 00:46:43,050 --> 00:46:47,221 "She caressed his back, and he felt desire rise up in him again." 722 00:46:47,763 --> 00:46:49,932 "She'd only to touch him and he wanted her." 723 00:46:50,474 --> 00:46:53,060 "There's only one little problem, I don't want to marry you." 724 00:46:53,686 --> 00:46:56,939 "Not even if you were free and we could rush off and do it now." 725 00:46:57,398 --> 00:47:01,861 "I want to do what I want to do, whenever I want." 726 00:47:01,986 --> 00:47:04,488 "No ties, no strings, I don't want marriage, 727 00:47:04,572 --> 00:47:06,240 it means nothing to me." 728 00:47:08,075 --> 00:47:10,077 ♪ She's just a devil woman… ♪ 729 00:47:10,161 --> 00:47:13,622 [Jan] She firmly believed that it would do well, she was that positive. 730 00:47:15,166 --> 00:47:20,212 But I think she was surprised at how amazingly well it did do. 731 00:47:20,421 --> 00:47:24,842 And of course the one thing we all loved was that end killer line, 732 00:47:25,301 --> 00:47:27,386 "Justice for all females." 733 00:47:28,846 --> 00:47:31,515 [Tracy] They published, you know, 2,000 books, 734 00:47:32,350 --> 00:47:34,894 and within eight weeks, suddenly, you know, 735 00:47:34,977 --> 00:47:37,104 oh, my God, we're going into a 100,000. 736 00:47:37,188 --> 00:47:39,774 ♪ Let me see the lines on your hand… ♪ 737 00:47:40,691 --> 00:47:45,404 [Jeffrey Lane] I'd worked with Joan as a publicist since the late 60s. 738 00:47:46,947 --> 00:47:51,577 Joan took me to a party in London at Tramp 739 00:47:52,119 --> 00:47:55,164 at the book launch for The World Is Full of Married Men. 740 00:47:57,291 --> 00:48:02,671 {\an8}Jackie was the first author to write about women who were… 741 00:48:03,130 --> 00:48:06,258 {\an8}Who behaved like men, who did what men did 742 00:48:06,801 --> 00:48:10,888 {\an8}and didn't apologize or excuse themselves. 743 00:48:11,555 --> 00:48:15,434 [Tracy] So it very quickly made her very controversial at a very young age. 744 00:48:17,561 --> 00:48:19,647 [Bill] They had two children, Tiffany and Rory. 745 00:48:21,023 --> 00:48:22,900 Oscar was earning money with the club… 746 00:48:23,901 --> 00:48:26,612 and it enabled her to just write. 747 00:48:27,988 --> 00:48:32,410 He wasn't at all threatened by her talent or her creativity, you know, 748 00:48:32,493 --> 00:48:36,372 he really just wanted to, you know, he wanted to help her develop that. 749 00:48:36,455 --> 00:48:37,706 [indistinct chatter] 750 00:48:38,332 --> 00:48:42,044 When they'd come back from Tramp, they'd stay up, you know, 751 00:48:42,128 --> 00:48:43,504 drinking and playing charades. 752 00:48:45,464 --> 00:48:48,175 There was always a sense that she was researching. 753 00:48:50,261 --> 00:48:52,304 [Johnny] You know, the names were slightly changed, 754 00:48:52,388 --> 00:48:55,724 but you could recognize them if you were on that scene 755 00:48:55,808 --> 00:48:59,353 and we knew who she was writing about. Um… 756 00:48:59,437 --> 00:49:00,604 [interviewer] How about you? 757 00:49:00,771 --> 00:49:04,233 Well, a lot of people thought The Stud was me, but it wasn't. 758 00:49:05,401 --> 00:49:07,194 -[interviewer] Jackie said it was you. -[Johnny] Did she? 759 00:49:07,278 --> 00:49:10,197 Well, she called me a sexual athlete, I mean, that's not bad. 760 00:49:11,699 --> 00:49:15,953 [Joan] When I read The Stud, I said, this would make a great movie. 761 00:49:16,662 --> 00:49:21,625 I'd now been an actress for over 20 years, 22 years. 762 00:49:21,834 --> 00:49:22,710 [screaming] 763 00:49:22,793 --> 00:49:26,213 I'd done this terrible movie called Empire of the Ants. 764 00:49:27,673 --> 00:49:29,425 [screaming] Get me out of here! 765 00:49:30,009 --> 00:49:33,679 And, um, you know, I was-- Parts weren't coming my way. 766 00:49:34,513 --> 00:49:36,599 Joan was really famous… 767 00:49:38,601 --> 00:49:42,646 before Jackie, right, really famous, huge in London. 768 00:49:44,732 --> 00:49:48,569 And then Jackie started to become famous, 769 00:49:49,653 --> 00:49:51,363 but Joan's acting at that point… 770 00:49:53,866 --> 00:49:54,867 not much. 771 00:49:55,784 --> 00:49:57,620 [Jan] I mean, Joan was nothing, 772 00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:01,040 and I don't think Jackie ever thought that would happen. 773 00:50:01,624 --> 00:50:05,461 And I certainly don't think she ever thought… 774 00:50:07,505 --> 00:50:09,882 she would revive Joan's career. 775 00:50:10,257 --> 00:50:13,385 So I asked Jackie if she would write the script 776 00:50:13,469 --> 00:50:16,555 and that I could then start taking it to various producers, 777 00:50:16,639 --> 00:50:19,517 to various people that I knew to get it financed. 778 00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,228 [Johnny] "The Stud by Jackie Collins." 779 00:50:23,187 --> 00:50:28,567 "Fontaine came in, I followed her to a small elevator 780 00:50:29,068 --> 00:50:32,112 and we pressed closely together as it started up." 781 00:50:34,698 --> 00:50:35,783 What's going on? 782 00:50:36,325 --> 00:50:38,244 "'Are we there?' I asked foolishly." 783 00:50:38,452 --> 00:50:42,498 "'No, but we soon can be,' she replied, pulling up my trousers." 784 00:50:42,665 --> 00:50:44,166 -[moaning] -That's right. 785 00:50:45,042 --> 00:50:47,795 [Johnny] "Screw me, you bastard! Keep it hard!" 786 00:50:48,671 --> 00:50:51,215 [Oliver Tobias] When I first read the original script, 787 00:50:51,298 --> 00:50:54,718 {\an8}I thought it was just like a silly sort of soft porn opera, 788 00:50:54,802 --> 00:50:56,679 {\an8}it had nothing going for it. 789 00:50:57,179 --> 00:51:00,975 {\an8}And now we've made an interpretation out of it, it's a very different story. 790 00:51:01,058 --> 00:51:05,521 Oliver Tobias thought he was the second coming of Rock Hudson. 791 00:51:05,604 --> 00:51:08,274 -[suspense music playing] -[woman] You're my Christmas present. 792 00:51:09,275 --> 00:51:11,569 [Oliver] Jackie Collins is a good writer, 793 00:51:11,735 --> 00:51:14,405 but, I mean, movie making is a different medium. 794 00:51:14,947 --> 00:51:18,284 You know, I mean, you're making movies, it's a director's medium 795 00:51:18,617 --> 00:51:21,537 and he's the painter and the actor's the color. 796 00:51:22,037 --> 00:51:24,206 I'm a color in a picture. 797 00:51:26,083 --> 00:51:26,959 [splash] 798 00:51:27,293 --> 00:51:28,794 [birds singing] 799 00:51:29,545 --> 00:51:33,716 The-- The attitude towards women writing films and scripts is changing now. 800 00:51:33,882 --> 00:51:36,093 I think before they were supposed to write films about ladies 801 00:51:36,176 --> 00:51:39,513 that had nervous breakdowns in southern Wales or something. 802 00:51:39,597 --> 00:51:41,473 I think all that has changed, I hope so anyway. 803 00:51:44,310 --> 00:51:46,812 [Bill] There was great snobbery at that time. 804 00:51:49,773 --> 00:51:52,568 [narrator] Where would we all be I wonder without the jet set? 805 00:51:53,611 --> 00:51:56,447 They have turned boredom into an art form and big fat books 806 00:51:56,530 --> 00:51:59,366 have also been based on their aimless comings and goings. 807 00:51:59,783 --> 00:52:03,287 -Ladies and gentlemen, Jackie Collins. -[soft music playing] 808 00:52:06,332 --> 00:52:09,335 [Bill] But, look, Jackie was laughing all the way to the bank. 809 00:52:11,337 --> 00:52:13,922 [Tracy] She had found, you know, her niche 810 00:52:14,006 --> 00:52:17,509 and she went on to write many successful books after that. 811 00:52:20,512 --> 00:52:26,435 But the criticisms throughout the '70s felt I think to her quite, um… 812 00:52:27,353 --> 00:52:28,354 Quite difficult. 813 00:52:28,687 --> 00:52:31,857 You realized that you could write a book that had a lot of sex in it, 814 00:52:31,940 --> 00:52:34,735 that was very upfront about these things and that people would buy it. 815 00:52:34,860 --> 00:52:35,986 Now, that was no accident. 816 00:52:36,070 --> 00:52:37,237 [Jackie] I have to stop you there 817 00:52:37,321 --> 00:52:39,281 because I've never written for commercial reasons. 818 00:52:39,365 --> 00:52:44,328 Because I'm a woman writing this kind of-- They call it racy, raunchy literature, 819 00:52:44,411 --> 00:52:46,080 this shocks a lot of people. 820 00:52:46,205 --> 00:52:47,831 God forbid a woman should be writing 821 00:52:47,915 --> 00:52:51,377 about sex the way that men are writing about sex. 822 00:52:51,502 --> 00:52:53,253 -[man] Have a little taste, Jackie. -Probably will. 823 00:52:53,337 --> 00:52:54,380 -Of the wine? -[man] Sure. 824 00:52:54,505 --> 00:52:58,008 -Yes, thank you. -Do you still have the herpes, McLeane? 825 00:52:58,092 --> 00:52:59,718 [audience laughing] 826 00:53:00,636 --> 00:53:03,305 I would think, people always ask me where I get all the characters from, 827 00:53:03,389 --> 00:53:04,932 well, here they are, sitting all around me. 828 00:53:06,058 --> 00:53:08,102 [Tiffany] These men didn't get called out on it. 829 00:53:09,228 --> 00:53:11,980 So it was a real double standard that was really unfair. 830 00:53:14,024 --> 00:53:16,527 [Jackie] I had to get up at 6:00, take the kids to school, 831 00:53:16,610 --> 00:53:18,487 make their lunch and I would be writing 832 00:53:18,696 --> 00:53:21,615 on my way to meet them after school at every stop light. 833 00:53:23,117 --> 00:53:25,327 But to take a case like, say, Jackie Collins, for example, 834 00:53:25,411 --> 00:53:27,246 now, there's no mastery of anything here. 835 00:53:27,329 --> 00:53:30,791 So, really the thing is just something to decorate an airport bookstore. 836 00:53:31,083 --> 00:53:34,044 Jackie Collins is never going to become classic no matter how long you wait. 837 00:53:34,128 --> 00:53:35,421 That's what I find interesting with that. 838 00:53:35,504 --> 00:53:37,965 It starts off as nothing and ends up as nothing. 839 00:53:38,048 --> 00:53:41,218 Now as a woman in my fifties, I get so many women 840 00:53:41,301 --> 00:53:42,803 who were teenagers at the same time 841 00:53:42,886 --> 00:53:46,390 I was a teenager saying, "Oh, my God, your mom taught me everything about sex," 842 00:53:46,473 --> 00:53:47,683 and I was like, "Oh, really?" 843 00:53:48,058 --> 00:53:52,479 Well, great, because she wrote great sex in great books. 844 00:53:53,689 --> 00:53:56,024 [Jackie] And I'm not claiming to be a great literary genius, 845 00:53:56,108 --> 00:53:58,277 I'm claiming to be a terrific storyteller. 846 00:53:58,902 --> 00:54:01,196 And so I would say that the people who criticize me the most 847 00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,282 are the ones who've never read me. 848 00:54:08,412 --> 00:54:09,580 [Tiffany] It hurt her. 849 00:54:10,956 --> 00:54:15,335 [Tracy] She was like, "I'm going to go out there and make sure I protect myself." 850 00:54:23,469 --> 00:54:24,887 [audience applauding] 851 00:54:27,806 --> 00:54:30,392 She had to find an image… 852 00:54:30,476 --> 00:54:32,352 [man speaking indistinctly] 853 00:54:32,436 --> 00:54:34,354 …almost like a shield. 854 00:54:34,521 --> 00:54:36,398 [man] …successful novelist, Jackie Collins. 855 00:54:37,816 --> 00:54:41,069 It was the hair pieces, it was the makeup. 856 00:54:41,153 --> 00:54:45,616 -It was the big hair before big hair. -And you know the tie and the suit. 857 00:54:45,783 --> 00:54:49,119 -And the shoulders. -And then fabulous jewels. 858 00:54:49,203 --> 00:54:51,413 Big yay earrings. 859 00:54:51,497 --> 00:54:53,457 [man] For those of you who haven't read this latest… 860 00:54:53,791 --> 00:54:56,168 [Jeffrey] I mean, she became the representative 861 00:54:56,251 --> 00:54:58,921 of the characters in her book. 862 00:55:00,839 --> 00:55:04,009 With cleavage and jewels and looking gorgeous. 863 00:55:04,092 --> 00:55:06,553 And it was always quite startling. 864 00:55:08,806 --> 00:55:12,309 [Hazel] And she added the leopard print, leopard print wasn't vogue. 865 00:55:13,435 --> 00:55:16,313 -[Laura] It was sort of a suit of armor. -[audience applauding] 866 00:55:17,898 --> 00:55:23,320 {\an8}She got joy out of the sparkle, but also felt somehow protected by it. 867 00:55:26,824 --> 00:55:29,701 [Joan] She phoned me up, I was in America. 868 00:55:31,286 --> 00:55:36,542 And I was extolling the virtues of Los Angeles life to her. 869 00:55:37,584 --> 00:55:42,506 Her books had been really successful in England, but not in America. 870 00:55:43,131 --> 00:55:47,177 And I said, "The only way to break into America was to go and live in America." 871 00:55:49,012 --> 00:55:52,432 Oscar used to get a bit nervous at times, his hands would shake. 872 00:55:52,558 --> 00:55:56,520 He said, "She wants us to uproot and go to LA, 873 00:55:56,645 --> 00:55:58,689 because she thinks she can make it there with the books." 874 00:56:01,108 --> 00:56:02,526 ["Kids in America" playing] 875 00:56:02,734 --> 00:56:05,487 ♪ Looking out a dirty old window ♪ 876 00:56:05,737 --> 00:56:09,616 ♪ Down below the cars In the city go rushing by… ♪ 877 00:56:09,700 --> 00:56:14,872 [Joan] So they picked up three children, two dogs and they moved to America. 878 00:56:17,583 --> 00:56:21,712 ♪ Friday night and everyone's moving I can feel the heat… ♪ 879 00:56:21,795 --> 00:56:23,714 [Tracy] She just had a sort of wanderlust. 880 00:56:23,797 --> 00:56:27,718 ♪ Heading down I search For the beat in this dirty town… ♪ 881 00:56:28,093 --> 00:56:30,971 [Tracy] She was going to do what she needed to do. 882 00:56:31,054 --> 00:56:32,389 ♪ Young ones are growing ♪ 883 00:56:32,806 --> 00:56:37,436 ♪ We're the kids in America We're the kids in America… ♪ 884 00:56:37,519 --> 00:56:39,688 [Tracy] She was going to write that seminal book. 885 00:56:40,439 --> 00:56:43,525 She has over 16 million books in print 886 00:56:43,609 --> 00:56:45,736 and it took just two weeks for her latest novel, Lucky, 887 00:56:45,903 --> 00:56:47,738 to become number one on the best seller list, 888 00:56:47,821 --> 00:56:49,781 and she's joining us from Los Angeles this morning, 889 00:56:49,865 --> 00:56:51,116 Good morning, nice to see you. 890 00:56:51,241 --> 00:56:52,993 Good morning, Joan, nice to see you too. 891 00:56:54,745 --> 00:56:57,998 [Rory] Mom always used to say, "Lucky is who every woman wants to be." 892 00:56:58,081 --> 00:57:01,793 And I used to think, "Well, no actually, Lucky is exactly who you want to be." 893 00:57:01,877 --> 00:57:05,255 But I think so many women actually did relate to her. 894 00:57:05,339 --> 00:57:07,799 [Jackie] "Lucky Santangelo stood out as she strode bristly 895 00:57:07,883 --> 00:57:09,384 through the crowd at the casino." 896 00:57:09,801 --> 00:57:14,848 "She was a strikingly beautiful woman of 28 with an unruly mass of jet curls, 897 00:57:14,932 --> 00:57:17,851 black gypsy eyes, a wide sensual mouth…" 898 00:57:17,935 --> 00:57:20,604 You also have a mini-series that's going to air, what, next week on NBC? 899 00:57:21,021 --> 00:57:24,316 Yes, three nights, six hours. I wrote it myself and I co-produced it. 900 00:57:25,734 --> 00:57:28,403 "'I want to get laid,' she thought, 'I need to.'" 901 00:57:29,655 --> 00:57:31,657 "It couldn't be just anybody, 902 00:57:32,282 --> 00:57:34,826 there had to be a certain sexual chemistry." 903 00:57:36,954 --> 00:57:39,623 I've created some very strong heroines over the years, 904 00:57:39,706 --> 00:57:42,209 and the strongest of course is Lucky Santangelo. 905 00:57:43,085 --> 00:57:44,461 You bastard. 906 00:57:45,963 --> 00:57:49,132 [Jackie] When I'm writing Lucky, I become Lucky. 907 00:57:50,008 --> 00:57:53,553 -How did you manage it? -When I say I can do something, I deliver. 908 00:57:54,137 --> 00:57:58,767 [Rory] Lucky Santangelo was, you know, really strident and really bold 909 00:57:58,850 --> 00:58:01,144 and really sexy and really empowered. 910 00:58:01,937 --> 00:58:03,105 [man] Looking good. 911 00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:06,233 Who, me? 912 00:58:06,316 --> 00:58:08,485 -[man] You always look good, Lucky. -I do? 913 00:58:12,990 --> 00:58:14,032 {\an8}[man] Okay, here we go, 914 00:58:14,157 --> 00:58:16,785 [speaking foreign language] 915 00:58:16,868 --> 00:58:19,788 On TV One tonight, I'm Jackie Collins. 916 00:58:19,871 --> 00:58:21,665 [announcer] Jackie Collins, best seller… 917 00:58:21,790 --> 00:58:22,749 {\an8}[speaking foreign language] 918 00:58:22,916 --> 00:58:25,961 {\an8}When you get to America, you now open the door. 919 00:58:26,044 --> 00:58:28,797 Jackie was in, like, I can't remember the number of countries. 920 00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:32,592 Her books were translated in, like, 30, 40 languages. 921 00:58:32,718 --> 00:58:35,512 [speaking French] 922 00:58:35,595 --> 00:58:38,015 -Jackie Collins. -[audience applauding] 923 00:58:38,265 --> 00:58:42,436 [Morton] The amazing thing is, she writes what looks like an American story 924 00:58:43,353 --> 00:58:46,773 and we find interest in Czechoslovakia. 925 00:58:47,149 --> 00:58:50,777 In Israel, in African countries. 926 00:58:50,861 --> 00:58:55,115 -Tell us, what are you doing in Hong Kong? -I'm doing some careful research here. 927 00:58:55,574 --> 00:58:58,452 Um, I would very much like to set some scenes in Hong Kong. 928 00:58:58,535 --> 00:59:00,829 [woman speaking French] 929 00:59:00,996 --> 00:59:01,913 [Melody] People loved her. 930 00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:05,333 Any country she showed up in, they wanted to get her to autograph them 931 00:59:05,417 --> 00:59:07,335 or, "My mother likes your books." 932 00:59:07,419 --> 00:59:09,588 Or, "My daughter loved your books," you know. 933 00:59:09,671 --> 00:59:12,799 -[man] Do you believe it? They found her. -[indistinct chatter] 934 00:59:13,050 --> 00:59:19,973 [speaking French] 935 00:59:21,058 --> 00:59:23,643 …is doing very nicely in France… 936 00:59:23,727 --> 00:59:26,646 [Melody] That's what Jackie created by coming to America. 937 00:59:27,397 --> 00:59:28,732 An international name. 938 00:59:29,232 --> 00:59:32,235 Here we are in Paris, the Plaza… 939 00:59:32,402 --> 00:59:35,280 Oscar was like, "Yeah, let's do it." 940 00:59:35,447 --> 00:59:37,282 "If that's what you want to do, let's do it." 941 00:59:37,616 --> 00:59:41,286 Welcome to Paris, Jackie Collins. Hey! 942 00:59:42,454 --> 00:59:44,122 [Laura] He was her rock, 943 00:59:44,956 --> 00:59:48,752 and I think he was very instrumental in her success, 944 00:59:48,835 --> 00:59:51,379 because of having somebody like Oscar behind her. 945 00:59:51,505 --> 00:59:53,632 [woman] How was the necking scene this morning? 946 00:59:53,715 --> 00:59:57,302 I don't need to even comment on that if you look at this spot here on my dress. 947 00:59:57,928 --> 00:59:59,763 {\an8}-Press the red. Press the red. -[woman] No. 948 00:59:59,846 --> 01:00:03,391 {\an8}[Jackie] "Suddenly a hand gripped her by the arm, it was Lenny Golden." 949 01:00:04,976 --> 01:00:07,562 "'You're just the man I'm looking for,'" she said. 950 01:00:08,355 --> 01:00:10,315 [indistinct chatter] 951 01:00:12,275 --> 01:00:15,862 -[Jackie] What is today, Oscar? -Today is the happiest day of my life. 952 01:00:16,571 --> 01:00:18,740 Twenty-one years ago, I got married. 953 01:00:19,616 --> 01:00:20,617 [grunts] 954 01:00:24,204 --> 01:00:28,083 [Morton] I used to call Oscar and I would say, "How are you, Oscar?" 955 01:00:28,375 --> 01:00:32,546 And he would say, "Listen, Mort, it's 80 degrees, the sun is shining." 956 01:00:32,671 --> 01:00:35,132 "I'm sitting by the pool in my bathing suit." 957 01:00:35,340 --> 01:00:36,591 "How-- What could be better?" 958 01:00:37,425 --> 01:00:38,552 [Jackie] Hi, Oscar. 959 01:00:38,635 --> 01:00:42,597 [Rory] They were just such a perfect team together, they just worked really well. 960 01:00:43,306 --> 01:00:47,185 Lots of laughing and love and confiding in each other. 961 01:00:47,269 --> 01:00:49,980 [Jackie] Okay, I'm going out in New York. 962 01:00:50,188 --> 01:00:52,566 And we're going to buy some art, come on, let's go. 963 01:00:52,649 --> 01:00:53,859 [Oscar] Then we can have lunch. 964 01:00:53,984 --> 01:00:56,486 Oh, I might have lunch at the Four Seasons. 965 01:00:58,572 --> 01:00:59,739 [Rory] He was so proud of her. 966 01:00:59,823 --> 01:01:03,869 He was so proud of who she had become and how she was managing that success. 967 01:01:04,452 --> 01:01:05,954 [indistinct chatter] 968 01:01:06,037 --> 01:01:09,207 [Joan] He was so important in her life. 969 01:01:09,583 --> 01:01:15,380 He was the family man, he was her mentor, he was her lover. 970 01:01:17,174 --> 01:01:19,509 [Laura] I would come to the house, meet them at the house and then go 971 01:01:19,593 --> 01:01:21,595 with them with wherever we were going. 972 01:01:22,220 --> 01:01:26,099 And every single time he would walk to the bottom of the stairs 973 01:01:26,558 --> 01:01:29,728 and she would say, "Okay, I'm ready," and she would be at the top of the… 974 01:01:29,853 --> 01:01:32,022 …stairs and he would just look at her and he'd be like, 975 01:01:32,147 --> 01:01:33,607 "You are so beautiful. Look…" 976 01:01:33,732 --> 01:01:36,526 "…how gorgeous your mother looks, absolutely gorgeous." 977 01:01:36,818 --> 01:01:38,445 -Every… -…single time. 978 01:01:38,528 --> 01:01:41,198 Whatever she wore, because he adored her. 979 01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:44,618 -[Oscar talking indistinctly] -Bye, Oscar. 980 01:01:44,701 --> 01:01:46,620 -[laughing] -[indistinct chatter] 981 01:01:46,703 --> 01:01:49,039 [Oscar] Doesn't she look just beautiful, my God. 982 01:01:50,957 --> 01:01:53,585 -[soft music playing] -[insects chirping] 983 01:01:57,297 --> 01:02:00,675 You know, in any family, there's always going to be 984 01:02:00,759 --> 01:02:03,345 you know, a little bit of nibbling and so on and… 985 01:02:03,511 --> 01:02:05,055 [scoffs] …so what? 986 01:02:05,138 --> 01:02:09,559 You know, sibling rivalry, it spurs you on. 987 01:02:10,936 --> 01:02:17,400 I mean, it's very simple, you know, Joan was a big Hollywood star, 988 01:02:17,817 --> 01:02:20,153 um, and Jackie was a writer. 989 01:02:20,237 --> 01:02:22,530 {\an8}You're finished, you've lost everything. 990 01:02:22,614 --> 01:02:24,741 {\an8}And I now own this house. 991 01:02:24,824 --> 01:02:29,329 {\an8}-This house, are you insane? -Oh, no. I'm perfectly sane. 992 01:02:29,412 --> 01:02:35,126 So take this junk and your blonde tramp and get out of my home. 993 01:02:35,210 --> 01:02:36,878 -[wind blowing] -[laughing] 994 01:02:36,962 --> 01:02:40,006 She likes to call herself a female Harold Robbins 995 01:02:40,090 --> 01:02:41,758 or the Harold Robbins for women. 996 01:02:42,050 --> 01:02:45,262 Some people call her admiringly the queen of flash and trash 997 01:02:45,345 --> 01:02:48,014 and she joins us this morning, and we're lucky to have you, Joan Collins, welcome. 998 01:02:48,431 --> 01:02:49,933 -[Jackie] It's Jackie. -[host] Jackie… 999 01:02:50,016 --> 01:02:51,726 -[laughs] Joan is… -[host] Joan was here last week. 1000 01:02:51,810 --> 01:02:52,978 Joan was here last week. 1001 01:02:53,103 --> 01:02:57,774 And then Jackie comes into Hollywood and becomes the queen of Hollywood. 1002 01:02:58,191 --> 01:02:59,818 Can't be easy for Joan either. 1003 01:03:01,069 --> 01:03:03,905 It is often stated that you and your sister, Joan Collins, 1004 01:03:03,989 --> 01:03:06,241 -the prominent actress from Dynasty… -Yeah. Right. 1005 01:03:06,741 --> 01:03:07,993 …don't get along and are feuding. 1006 01:03:08,076 --> 01:03:09,619 In fact, we've had it said here on this program-- 1007 01:03:09,703 --> 01:03:12,414 Yeah, I want to talk to you about that. [laughs] 1008 01:03:12,497 --> 01:03:17,794 -But we're the best of friends. -I had a couple of relationships, 1009 01:03:18,295 --> 01:03:21,339 a marriage and a long-- And a boyfriend 1010 01:03:21,506 --> 01:03:25,135 that Jackie loathed both of them and they both loathed her. 1011 01:03:25,635 --> 01:03:27,220 So it was kind of difficult. 1012 01:03:27,762 --> 01:03:28,805 [indistinct chatter] 1013 01:03:28,888 --> 01:03:33,268 We saw each other, but it was slightly cool. 1014 01:03:35,812 --> 01:03:42,360 And then, when I got offered two million dollars to write two books, 1015 01:03:43,361 --> 01:03:44,863 you know, you don't turn that down. 1016 01:03:45,196 --> 01:03:47,782 [Larry] Prime Time, published by Simon and Schuster. 1017 01:03:48,033 --> 01:03:51,077 Why a novel? I thought your sister owns fiction. 1018 01:03:51,202 --> 01:03:54,748 Well, yes, she did, but I think there's possibly room for both of us. 1019 01:03:54,831 --> 01:03:56,249 I started writing this… 1020 01:03:56,333 --> 01:03:59,836 She would say, "Oh, my sister, my God, she's looking for something." 1021 01:03:59,919 --> 01:04:01,963 "She's writing a book now, for God's sake." 1022 01:04:02,297 --> 01:04:04,257 [Larry] How good a storyteller do you think she is? 1023 01:04:04,341 --> 01:04:07,385 I've no idea, Larry, I'm going to discover along with everybody else. 1024 01:04:08,386 --> 01:04:10,764 Are you excited about-- How do you feel about that? 1025 01:04:11,264 --> 01:04:12,265 Oh, fine. 1026 01:04:13,391 --> 01:04:19,272 She said, "How would Joan like it if I got a job in… 1027 01:04:20,190 --> 01:04:21,983 a television series. 1028 01:04:22,067 --> 01:04:25,236 So I think Jackie felt that writing was her territory, 1029 01:04:25,362 --> 01:04:29,366 it's where she became successful and made her name. 1030 01:04:29,699 --> 01:04:34,579 And, um, she worked tirelessly at being Jackie. 1031 01:04:36,414 --> 01:04:40,960 I don't think she ever said, "Well, not today, I'm too tired," you know. 1032 01:04:41,044 --> 01:04:44,923 They're so different, the two sisters. 1033 01:04:46,716 --> 01:04:48,927 And don't forget I came from the fashion world, 1034 01:04:49,427 --> 01:04:51,137 and so I'm accustomed to bitches. 1035 01:04:51,304 --> 01:04:54,224 There's always a certain amount of, um… 1036 01:04:55,892 --> 01:04:58,311 you know, "Maybe you are stepping on my territory," 1037 01:04:58,395 --> 01:05:00,063 but it's certainly not intentional. 1038 01:05:00,188 --> 01:05:02,565 Joan got a lot of money from non-books. 1039 01:05:03,483 --> 01:05:06,486 There was a big issue as to whether she'd written and published her own book, 1040 01:05:06,611 --> 01:05:09,739 which I think Jackie was very secretly happy about. 1041 01:05:12,283 --> 01:05:15,870 So, you know, sisters are sisters, I mean, siblings are siblings. 1042 01:05:16,704 --> 01:05:19,457 She didn't like it, but I don't think-- 1043 01:05:19,582 --> 01:05:22,001 She never used the word "betrayal" and I'm not sure that's the right word 1044 01:05:22,085 --> 01:05:24,087 and I can't think of the right word to use. 1045 01:05:24,963 --> 01:05:28,591 She dealt with it the way that she knew best, you know. 1046 01:05:30,844 --> 01:05:33,847 [Jackie] "Abigail and Primrose were as unalike as two sisters could be." 1047 01:05:33,930 --> 01:05:35,640 "They couldn't stand each other." 1048 01:05:35,723 --> 01:05:39,561 "Abigail was pushy and grasping, she loved entertaining and big parties." 1049 01:05:39,686 --> 01:05:41,312 "A true Hollywood princess." 1050 01:05:43,940 --> 01:05:46,693 "Primrose, the younger and prettier of the two 1051 01:05:46,943 --> 01:05:49,988 had opted for a different kind of life where she was able to raise her children 1052 01:05:50,071 --> 01:05:52,532 in what she considered a more real atmosphere." 1053 01:05:54,284 --> 01:05:55,994 "Who knew that they were destined to become 1054 01:05:56,077 --> 01:05:58,538 two of the most powerful women in Hollywood." 1055 01:06:01,332 --> 01:06:04,627 [Tracy] Whatever she felt in private she just kept to herself. 1056 01:06:06,921 --> 01:06:11,759 {\an8}Everything that she stood for was magical and wonderful and sparkly. 1057 01:06:13,303 --> 01:06:15,847 {\an8}But real life does go on. 1058 01:06:23,271 --> 01:06:24,981 {\an8}[Jackie] And here we have… 1059 01:06:26,733 --> 01:06:29,027 [TV playing indistinctly] 1060 01:06:31,404 --> 01:06:35,074 [Tiffany] We'd been here about six or seven years 1061 01:06:35,366 --> 01:06:38,703 when our dad was diagnosed with prostate cancer. 1062 01:06:40,788 --> 01:06:44,125 I think it just came out of nowhere, I think everybody was sort of shocked 1063 01:06:44,209 --> 01:06:49,589 and, well, they didn't really tell anybody that he was sick and, um… 1064 01:06:50,089 --> 01:06:52,550 It was just-- It was very sad, they weren't expecting it. 1065 01:06:52,634 --> 01:06:56,137 It was in the late '80s, she was at the height of her fame 1066 01:06:56,596 --> 01:06:59,516 and I think it was hard for all of us. 1067 01:07:01,267 --> 01:07:05,355 [Laura] I think in many ways she didn't know how to cope with it. 1068 01:07:07,357 --> 01:07:12,195 She just thought if she carried on with her life, it just wasn't there. 1069 01:07:13,988 --> 01:07:15,865 And they decided to build a new home. 1070 01:07:15,949 --> 01:07:17,283 [Jackie] The new house. 1071 01:07:19,536 --> 01:07:21,579 [Tracy] The whole time that he was living with cancer, 1072 01:07:21,663 --> 01:07:23,414 he was working on this project. 1073 01:07:23,581 --> 01:07:24,874 -[indistinct chatter] -[laughing] 1074 01:07:24,958 --> 01:07:27,877 He was very focused on creating this house. 1075 01:07:27,961 --> 01:07:30,588 He was working with the architects, he was going to the site. 1076 01:07:33,758 --> 01:07:40,515 [Barbara] He was just so intent on getting that house finished for Jackie. 1077 01:07:40,598 --> 01:07:42,475 [somber music playing] 1078 01:07:46,271 --> 01:07:48,982 [Tiffany] The thing is, with my dad, he didn't want to go anywhere, 1079 01:07:49,065 --> 01:07:51,693 so it was really hard for him because… [sniffing] 1080 01:07:51,776 --> 01:07:54,445 …he didn't want to leave us and he didn't want to leave her 1081 01:07:54,529 --> 01:07:58,992 and he just didn't want to go anywhere, so it was just difficult. 1082 01:07:59,117 --> 01:08:00,785 [Oscar] Jackie, let me take a picture of you. 1083 01:08:00,868 --> 01:08:02,412 [Jackie] No, no, no. 1084 01:08:02,495 --> 01:08:04,163 -Come on, give me the camera. -[Jackie] No. 1085 01:08:06,291 --> 01:08:09,335 [Tiffany] So they planned out every element of this home. 1086 01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,798 It was quite beautiful, it was sort of almost museum-like. 1087 01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:20,221 That was her fantasy. 1088 01:08:21,306 --> 01:08:24,684 You know, it was like he had created it for her. 1089 01:08:24,767 --> 01:08:26,102 [indistinct chatter] 1090 01:08:28,146 --> 01:08:30,023 It was literally just ready. 1091 01:08:31,733 --> 01:08:34,277 But, you know, there came a point where he was actually too weak. 1092 01:08:37,614 --> 01:08:39,866 Dad died before they could move in. 1093 01:08:48,374 --> 01:08:49,584 [birds chirping] 1094 01:08:50,126 --> 01:08:54,714 The phone rang in the morning and it was Jackie and she said… 1095 01:08:55,256 --> 01:08:58,926 And she was sobbing, and she said, "Oscar is gone." 1096 01:08:59,594 --> 01:09:01,220 And I started sobbing too. 1097 01:09:06,476 --> 01:09:08,603 [Tracy] She really didn't deal with it very well. 1098 01:09:12,190 --> 01:09:16,694 She just retreated pretty much to staying in her study and writing. 1099 01:09:16,778 --> 01:09:18,112 [hums] 1100 01:09:21,407 --> 01:09:24,160 -[clears throat] -[Laura] Jackie, um… 1101 01:09:25,995 --> 01:09:27,872 sort of pulled up the drawbridge. 1102 01:09:30,375 --> 01:09:33,002 She was not going to shed any tears. 1103 01:09:39,217 --> 01:09:41,010 [somber music playing] 1104 01:09:44,847 --> 01:09:48,476 She couldn't do that, once the facade would crack, 1105 01:09:49,394 --> 01:09:51,562 you know, it unleashes the floodgates. 1106 01:09:55,358 --> 01:09:58,945 She only continued to be the Jackie she created. 1107 01:10:01,030 --> 01:10:03,157 Good morning, Nick. Good morning, Maryanne. 1108 01:10:04,826 --> 01:10:06,452 [somber music playing] 1109 01:10:12,250 --> 01:10:15,837 [Rory] She had learned how to survive, and for her… 1110 01:10:18,589 --> 01:10:21,426 what was always there for her, you know, was Jackie Collins. 1111 01:10:21,509 --> 01:10:23,052 [audience applauding] 1112 01:10:25,012 --> 01:10:26,931 How are you coping with Oscar's death? 1113 01:10:27,515 --> 01:10:29,934 Well, you know, I think that when somebody dies, you-- 1114 01:10:30,059 --> 01:10:32,103 You have your grieving time, 1115 01:10:32,186 --> 01:10:34,856 and then you have to seize your life again. 1116 01:10:34,939 --> 01:10:36,482 [host] How long does the grieving time last? 1117 01:10:37,066 --> 01:10:40,111 Everybody is different, you know, some people will take much longer. 1118 01:10:40,361 --> 01:10:41,904 Is it difficult for you to carry on? 1119 01:10:41,988 --> 01:10:44,615 Well, you know, when somebody is sick for a long time, 1120 01:10:44,699 --> 01:10:48,119 you learn to accept the inevitable. You know it's going to happen. 1121 01:10:48,995 --> 01:10:52,373 [Melody] Times were changing and her books were selling, 1122 01:10:52,623 --> 01:10:56,627 not at the rate of Hollywood Wives, I can't deny that, 1123 01:10:56,794 --> 01:10:59,130 but they still are out there. 1124 01:11:02,383 --> 01:11:04,802 It's just that we changed as a world. 1125 01:11:05,845 --> 01:11:08,639 Because I knew I was coming on your program today… 1126 01:11:08,723 --> 01:11:10,892 -[Jackie] Yes. -…I bought a book yesterday 1127 01:11:10,975 --> 01:11:13,603 and I read the first paragraph 1128 01:11:13,811 --> 01:11:17,273 and I felt I am demeaning myself reading any further. 1129 01:11:17,440 --> 01:11:18,483 What book was it? 1130 01:11:18,566 --> 01:11:20,902 This is called, uh, Lovers and Gamblers. 1131 01:11:21,027 --> 01:11:22,779 Now, is that the only one of mine you've ever read? 1132 01:11:22,862 --> 01:11:25,156 Well, there is one left in my house once 1133 01:11:25,281 --> 01:11:28,117 and I'm afraid it was put out for the dust. 1134 01:11:28,201 --> 01:11:30,995 The thing that very much worries me about your books is the sex 1135 01:11:31,078 --> 01:11:32,747 that your strong women are enjoying, 1136 01:11:32,830 --> 01:11:35,458 which they're enjoying on a very kind of passive level. 1137 01:11:35,541 --> 01:11:37,710 They're enjoying being brutalized and dominated, 1138 01:11:37,835 --> 01:11:40,630 -which is very unlike-- -That absolutely, absolutely ridiculous, 1139 01:11:40,713 --> 01:11:44,467 because as a matter of fact in my books the woman always comes out on top. 1140 01:11:44,592 --> 01:11:47,470 She did try to change with it, she knew. 1141 01:11:47,637 --> 01:11:50,097 -I have read Hollywood Husbands. -[Jackie] Yes. 1142 01:11:50,181 --> 01:11:53,392 And the beginning, the first chapter is disgusting. 1143 01:11:53,476 --> 01:11:57,104 I'm not-- Really disgusting, because it's all… 1144 01:11:57,563 --> 01:12:01,108 She was repeating herself a lot, as you can see even from her titles. 1145 01:12:02,401 --> 01:12:08,491 And I think the public had had as much of that information as they wanted. 1146 01:12:08,574 --> 01:12:12,620 The problem is that all of these women that you portray are tough cookies, 1147 01:12:12,703 --> 01:12:14,455 all right, and they do get somewhere. 1148 01:12:14,539 --> 01:12:18,626 My objection is that they're all also the most beautiful women in the world. 1149 01:12:18,793 --> 01:12:21,254 [woman] Jackie, you're writing to a formula, and, I mean, 1150 01:12:21,337 --> 01:12:24,590 there must be loads of people turning out this kind of formulaic stuff, 1151 01:12:24,674 --> 01:12:28,010 trying to get it published. But I do think that, sorry… 1152 01:12:28,094 --> 01:12:30,805 You know, I do think that perhaps your name, 1153 01:12:30,888 --> 01:12:34,433 your Hollywood connections etcetera must have helped you to get published. 1154 01:12:34,559 --> 01:12:36,310 I'm sorry, I think it's utter bilge. 1155 01:12:36,644 --> 01:12:40,523 I mean, this whole idea about having positive role models for women 1156 01:12:40,606 --> 01:12:42,066 -I think is total crap. -[Jackie] Yeah. 1157 01:12:42,149 --> 01:12:44,318 -[host] Are you a feminist? -Yeah, of course I am, yes. 1158 01:12:44,402 --> 01:12:45,945 -[host] She's a feminist? -Yes, of course I am. 1159 01:12:46,028 --> 01:12:49,949 I wouldn't say that you're a feminist in any way at all. 1160 01:12:50,032 --> 01:12:51,701 She's making millions of dollars… 1161 01:12:51,784 --> 01:12:54,161 -[woman] But sex sells. -…through abuse. 1162 01:12:54,370 --> 01:13:00,334 [Tracy] Her particular brand of, you know, feminism was a bit behind the times. 1163 01:13:02,211 --> 01:13:05,840 [Melody] The '90s were hard, and it was kind of mean. 1164 01:13:06,716 --> 01:13:09,802 You took her, you wanted her, now you don't want her. 1165 01:13:11,929 --> 01:13:14,015 So she sat down and she wrote. 1166 01:13:16,767 --> 01:13:21,522 But eventually she became completely confused and lost. 1167 01:13:22,857 --> 01:13:24,734 And it was like she was Lucky. 1168 01:13:26,319 --> 01:13:28,029 She was always Lucky Santangelo. 1169 01:13:29,071 --> 01:13:31,407 And she went on the rides 1170 01:13:31,490 --> 01:13:35,786 and the characters took her on these trips that were crazy. 1171 01:13:35,870 --> 01:13:37,788 They were just nuts, some of them. 1172 01:13:37,914 --> 01:13:40,666 But they took her and that's where she ended up. 1173 01:13:42,501 --> 01:13:44,253 [Jackie] "Lucky was deeply depressed." 1174 01:13:46,255 --> 01:13:49,508 "She took a long drive to the desert for hours, thinking about it." 1175 01:13:50,801 --> 01:13:52,470 "What was she going to do?" 1176 01:13:53,137 --> 01:13:54,680 [slow music playing] 1177 01:13:59,101 --> 01:14:03,397 And then she started, quite a lot later, I think, 1178 01:14:03,773 --> 01:14:05,066 going out with Frank. 1179 01:14:06,233 --> 01:14:08,611 -[Jackie] Darling, say something nice. -I love you, J. 1180 01:14:11,238 --> 01:14:14,116 [Rory] Frank was this kind of like single guy around town, 1181 01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:16,953 he'd never been married, always had lots of girlfriends. 1182 01:14:17,870 --> 01:14:21,457 He was one of those guys that was always smoking cigars and playing cards 1183 01:14:21,540 --> 01:14:25,711 with the boys and taking bets and he basically did what he liked. 1184 01:14:25,795 --> 01:14:30,299 I knew him through relationships with James Mason's daughter, 1185 01:14:30,883 --> 01:14:35,554 with Joanna Carson, many different, uh, "girlfriends". 1186 01:14:36,639 --> 01:14:39,308 He was not exactly a gigolo. 1187 01:14:41,978 --> 01:14:45,022 [Jackie] "With great care, he pushed her down onto the couch." 1188 01:14:46,482 --> 01:14:49,819 "'Get your clothes off, I mean now.'" 1189 01:14:51,070 --> 01:14:54,407 [interviewer] So what was it about Frank that Jackie was so attracted to? 1190 01:14:56,242 --> 01:14:57,493 Beats me. 1191 01:14:58,661 --> 01:15:00,746 [Jackie] Darling, would you wait on me hand and foot? 1192 01:15:00,955 --> 01:15:02,164 Absolutely not. 1193 01:15:02,248 --> 01:15:04,250 [Rory] It was a time when our lives were really moving on, 1194 01:15:04,333 --> 01:15:05,876 so we were distracted. 1195 01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:08,713 And, you known, he was like a character from one of her books. 1196 01:15:08,796 --> 01:15:12,107 He kind of, you know, came in and was like a character 1197 01:15:12,188 --> 01:15:13,701 -from one of her books. -From one of her books 1198 01:15:13,832 --> 01:15:15,052 Literally had sort of stepped out of… 1199 01:15:15,219 --> 01:15:16,095 [all] One of her books. 1200 01:15:16,220 --> 01:15:22,184 [overlapping chatter] 1201 01:15:22,268 --> 01:15:25,771 [Jackie] "There was no getting rid of him and he pursued her relentlessly." 1202 01:15:26,022 --> 01:15:30,151 "Sterling silver roses every day, cases of crystal champagne, 1203 01:15:30,234 --> 01:15:31,527 Jars of the best caviar." 1204 01:15:31,610 --> 01:15:33,446 {\an8}-Good morning, Frank -Good morning, J. 1205 01:15:33,529 --> 01:15:34,488 {\an8}[Jackie] How are you, darling? 1206 01:15:34,572 --> 01:15:36,490 {\an8}-I'm feeling wonderful. -[Jackie] Good. 1207 01:15:36,574 --> 01:15:38,993 {\an8}It's a beautiful day in Albany this morning. 1208 01:15:39,994 --> 01:15:43,956 And I just arrived and everyone is having breakfast. 1209 01:15:44,874 --> 01:15:45,916 And I love you, darling. 1210 01:15:46,042 --> 01:15:47,835 I wanted her to be with somebody else, 1211 01:15:48,127 --> 01:15:50,046 I didn't necessarily want her to be with Frank. 1212 01:15:50,129 --> 01:15:53,007 You know, he was nice, he was very charming, 1213 01:15:53,090 --> 01:15:56,510 but I didn't like him. 1214 01:15:56,969 --> 01:16:02,933 And he was the first man that I'd seen her be with or involved with who I felt… 1215 01:16:04,518 --> 01:16:08,064 you know, didn't feel wholly comfortable with her success. 1216 01:16:08,147 --> 01:16:09,398 [indistinct chatter] 1217 01:16:18,157 --> 01:16:21,243 [sighs] You want me to answer what was Frank like. 1218 01:16:22,203 --> 01:16:24,580 -Isn't that what you want? -[interviewer] Yes. 1219 01:16:24,914 --> 01:16:27,166 -[birds singing] -[wind blowing] 1220 01:16:31,128 --> 01:16:36,342 Well, he was a gambler, a drugger, an alcoholic, and an abuser. 1221 01:16:37,927 --> 01:16:40,054 That pretty much tells you. 1222 01:16:40,137 --> 01:16:41,430 [Jackie] All right, darlings. 1223 01:16:41,514 --> 01:16:45,101 Here we are at the wonderful, beautiful Colombe d'Or 1224 01:16:45,601 --> 01:16:49,021 -and we're having a wonderful time. -[Jackie] Okay, Frank, cut to the chase. 1225 01:16:49,105 --> 01:16:51,065 -[all laughing] -What else do you want me to say? 1226 01:16:51,148 --> 01:16:53,567 -Come on. Slowly, slowly. -[Jackie] Oh, slowly. I'm sorry. 1227 01:16:53,734 --> 01:16:58,072 If Frank felt slighted in any way, he would just… 1228 01:16:59,365 --> 01:17:00,491 go berserk. 1229 01:17:00,574 --> 01:17:02,159 [music playing over stereo] 1230 01:17:02,368 --> 01:17:04,662 This out of control rage. 1231 01:17:05,329 --> 01:17:07,832 And with it all, he could be quite charming. 1232 01:17:08,582 --> 01:17:10,626 That's always the trap, isn't it? 1233 01:17:13,045 --> 01:17:17,174 There was a tremendous amount of shouting and he did become, 1234 01:17:17,383 --> 01:17:19,426 um, extremely controlling. 1235 01:17:20,094 --> 01:17:21,303 Jackelina. 1236 01:17:21,846 --> 01:17:25,683 [Joan] He would lash out at her in a furious temper. 1237 01:17:26,225 --> 01:17:31,689 And she put up with it because, I think, maybe she felt guilty? 1238 01:17:31,772 --> 01:17:34,984 Why does one put up with anything, you know, women put up with a lot. 1239 01:17:35,526 --> 01:17:36,652 [Jackie] Okay. 1240 01:17:37,361 --> 01:17:39,488 [humming] Tell me if I walk into the sea. 1241 01:17:39,572 --> 01:17:42,116 Jackie, you're about ready to walk into the ocean. 1242 01:17:43,242 --> 01:17:44,743 [Jackie] Did we have a nice dinner? 1243 01:17:46,996 --> 01:17:53,419 That this woman who wrote about power and strength and strong women 1244 01:17:53,669 --> 01:17:55,754 could get involved with this man, 1245 01:17:56,380 --> 01:18:01,218 it's very difficult for people who love Jackie to watch this. 1246 01:18:01,302 --> 01:18:03,470 -[indistinct chatter] -[Frank] Okay, we're recording. 1247 01:18:03,554 --> 01:18:07,808 -[Tita] I mean, I just don't get it. -[Frank] Jackie, all right, say something. 1248 01:18:08,142 --> 01:18:11,937 This is Kir Royale, we're in the south of France, we are at the… 1249 01:18:12,021 --> 01:18:14,607 -We have made pests of ourselves already. -[Frank laughing] 1250 01:18:14,690 --> 01:18:17,985 -We've made pests of ourselves already. -Here, here! 1251 01:18:19,862 --> 01:18:22,615 [Tracy] You can be as strong as you like, you can have this amazing career, 1252 01:18:22,698 --> 01:18:25,868 you can have earned as much money as you could ever have wanted 1253 01:18:25,951 --> 01:18:28,078 and have a great family and everything going for you. 1254 01:18:28,162 --> 01:18:30,331 [Frank laughing] Roger, you’re terrific. 1255 01:18:30,497 --> 01:18:33,542 But, you know you can be 60 or 70, and still fall for somebody, 1256 01:18:33,626 --> 01:18:38,130 because somehow you think you're going to maybe replicate something 1257 01:18:38,214 --> 01:18:41,800 that happened in your early years and get a different outcome. 1258 01:18:41,884 --> 01:18:43,594 [somber music playing] 1259 01:18:52,561 --> 01:18:54,521 [Tiffany] It got bad when he got sick. 1260 01:18:55,731 --> 01:18:59,151 That's when the tides turned that he was mad at-- It was everybody. 1261 01:18:59,235 --> 01:19:01,987 And so I know that was a particularly tough time. 1262 01:19:03,197 --> 01:19:05,157 [narrator] "He was furious and despairing." 1263 01:19:05,991 --> 01:19:09,036 "He grabbed my arm and pulled me roughly out of the doctor’s office." 1264 01:19:10,079 --> 01:19:11,872 "'Frank, what's happened?'" 1265 01:19:12,665 --> 01:19:15,542 "'Lung cancer, inoperable.'" 1266 01:19:15,626 --> 01:19:17,127 [dramatic music playing] 1267 01:19:17,211 --> 01:19:22,174 [Tita] He was furious that she was writing books while he was ill. 1268 01:19:23,300 --> 01:19:26,595 She would write in her dressing room in the middle of the night. 1269 01:19:26,679 --> 01:19:29,098 She would get up when Frank was asleep 1270 01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:32,434 and she would write when he didn't know about it. 1271 01:19:32,518 --> 01:19:34,061 [distant siren wailing] 1272 01:19:36,605 --> 01:19:39,817 We asked Jackie, "Were there guns in the house?" 1273 01:19:40,776 --> 01:19:43,821 And Jackie said, "Yes, there had been, but they'd been moved." 1274 01:19:44,071 --> 01:19:46,365 Well, that's not comforting. 1275 01:19:47,866 --> 01:19:49,910 [interviewer] And why were you worried about guns? 1276 01:19:49,994 --> 01:19:52,079 [Tita] Well, obviously why. 1277 01:19:52,371 --> 01:19:56,208 I mean, why are you afraid of guns being around? 1278 01:19:56,292 --> 01:19:58,168 You're afraid someone might use them. 1279 01:20:00,212 --> 01:20:04,008 I mean, afraid he'd say, "Well, if I'm going, you're going with me." 1280 01:20:04,091 --> 01:20:06,135 She lives in her fantasy house in Beverly Hills 1281 01:20:06,218 --> 01:20:09,346 and has sold more than 200 million books worldwide. 1282 01:20:09,430 --> 01:20:11,598 But Jackie Collins told our Mark Steines, 1283 01:20:11,682 --> 01:20:15,394 that the success means nothing when compared to the love she lost. 1284 01:20:15,602 --> 01:20:17,438 [tense music playing] 1285 01:20:26,613 --> 01:20:28,032 [drum beating] 1286 01:20:32,453 --> 01:20:34,413 [Jackie] "The funeral was a grand affair." 1287 01:20:34,538 --> 01:20:36,040 [instrumental music playing] 1288 01:20:39,168 --> 01:20:43,380 "He was buried in a solid bronze casket that cost over 20,000 dollars." 1289 01:20:46,633 --> 01:20:50,596 "Lucky opened her eyes, it was no good dwelling on the past." 1290 01:20:50,679 --> 01:20:53,349 -[somber music playing] -"She felt remarkably calm." 1291 01:20:56,393 --> 01:21:02,274 "She smiled wanly and she winked. A true, ballsy, Lucky Santangelo wink." 1292 01:21:06,070 --> 01:21:09,531 [Jennifer] I worked with Jackie starting in 2008. 1293 01:21:10,366 --> 01:21:12,159 She had made it very clear to me 1294 01:21:12,242 --> 01:21:14,912 that she never wanted to get married again. 1295 01:21:15,412 --> 01:21:19,917 She didn't want to pick socks off of her bedroom floor anymore for anyone. 1296 01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:22,753 Or do laundry, or cook. She was done. 1297 01:21:23,045 --> 01:21:24,755 She was fine if someone who wanted to come over 1298 01:21:24,838 --> 01:21:28,801 and spend the night and then leave. And that's really where she was at. 1299 01:21:28,884 --> 01:21:30,928 -[indistinct chatter] -[camera shutters clicking] 1300 01:21:31,053 --> 01:21:32,429 [Jackie] "How does it feel to be back?" 1301 01:21:33,222 --> 01:21:34,473 "Pretty damn good." 1302 01:21:35,682 --> 01:21:39,269 "I have a story to tell you. I want you to sit down and hear me out." 1303 01:21:43,690 --> 01:21:44,858 She was the boss. 1304 01:21:49,488 --> 01:21:52,199 [Tiffany] She immersed herself in her work as ever. 1305 01:21:53,534 --> 01:21:57,746 But at that point, she'd been experiencing this foot pain 1306 01:21:57,830 --> 01:22:01,708 and was having a lot of trouble walking, like she could not walk. 1307 01:22:02,042 --> 01:22:03,585 And I kept on saying to her, 1308 01:22:03,752 --> 01:22:06,422 "We've got to get you to the doctor, can we please go to the doctor?" 1309 01:22:06,505 --> 01:22:08,882 She said, "Yes, I'll go next week, I'll go next week." 1310 01:22:09,049 --> 01:22:11,051 Tiff started saying, "I've got to try and," you know, 1311 01:22:11,135 --> 01:22:12,428 "we've got to do something about this." 1312 01:22:12,511 --> 01:22:14,027 "We've got to try and get her to a doctor." 1313 01:22:14,118 --> 01:22:15,722 And she eventually agreed. 1314 01:22:16,181 --> 01:22:19,643 And my mother is sitting next to me, and I will never forget this, 1315 01:22:19,726 --> 01:22:23,063 I mean, she looked like a teenager that had been caught. 1316 01:22:23,147 --> 01:22:27,317 She was like, "Tiffany, you're going to be so mad at me," 1317 01:22:27,401 --> 01:22:29,987 and I looked at her and I said, "What? What?" 1318 01:22:30,070 --> 01:22:32,948 And she goes, "I've got a lump." 1319 01:22:33,407 --> 01:22:37,244 I said, "Where?" And she goes, "In my breast." 1320 01:22:37,661 --> 01:22:42,416 And I just remember, like, my whole world, like, crashing. 1321 01:22:43,250 --> 01:22:44,960 So she'd had a lump and we don't know. 1322 01:22:45,043 --> 01:22:48,338 She says two years and I don't know if it was longer than that or not, 1323 01:22:48,422 --> 01:22:51,967 but she just hadn't, you know, she just… 1324 01:22:52,468 --> 01:22:55,596 She thought that she could defy it somehow or another, 1325 01:22:55,679 --> 01:22:57,389 and until it caught up with her. 1326 01:22:57,848 --> 01:23:01,852 So it was, you know, it was just… 1327 01:23:04,480 --> 01:23:05,856 [interviewer] Pretty shocking. 1328 01:23:07,024 --> 01:23:08,066 Yeah. 1329 01:23:11,361 --> 01:23:12,613 [somber music playing] 1330 01:23:14,740 --> 01:23:17,075 [Tiffany] She said she was very sorry that, 1331 01:23:17,159 --> 01:23:18,869 you know, that she hadn't said anything 1332 01:23:18,952 --> 01:23:24,500 -and she asked us not to tell anybody. -[indistinct chatter] 1333 01:23:24,583 --> 01:23:26,877 It felt like my father all over again. 1334 01:23:27,377 --> 01:23:29,588 They didn't really tell anybody that he was sick. 1335 01:23:31,465 --> 01:23:36,136 [Joan] Daddy said, "You're not to mention that she has got cancer." 1336 01:23:36,220 --> 01:23:38,263 "We don't use that word." 1337 01:23:44,686 --> 01:23:47,689 [Tracy] Because of her past experiences… 1338 01:23:49,399 --> 01:23:52,069 there was that bit of her that transcended 1339 01:23:53,654 --> 01:23:56,198 what she may have been concerned about. 1340 01:23:57,407 --> 01:23:59,701 You know, things had been so tough before this. 1341 01:24:01,453 --> 01:24:03,997 And I think her, sort of, traumatic experiences 1342 01:24:04,081 --> 01:24:05,999 kept coming back in to play. 1343 01:24:06,500 --> 01:24:07,376 I love you. 1344 01:24:15,217 --> 01:24:17,594 [Tracy] She sort of couldn't write it out, so she could just say, 1345 01:24:17,678 --> 01:24:21,181 "Right, I'm going to be fabulous, I'm going to live my life." 1346 01:24:21,265 --> 01:24:24,059 "I don't really want to know if there's anything wrong with me." 1347 01:24:33,902 --> 01:24:38,949 So, yes, she was vulnerable, um… 1348 01:24:41,493 --> 01:24:47,124 but very much like her spirit animal of being a cat… 1349 01:24:48,458 --> 01:24:51,336 she clawed her way out of that. 1350 01:24:53,422 --> 01:24:54,673 [upbeat music playing] 1351 01:24:55,382 --> 01:24:58,844 Please welcome the author Jackie Collins. 1352 01:24:58,927 --> 01:25:01,013 [audience applauding, cheering] 1353 01:25:02,848 --> 01:25:03,849 [gasping] 1354 01:25:05,392 --> 01:25:09,146 [Tita] She never stopped smiling, she never stopped working. 1355 01:25:10,063 --> 01:25:13,650 And I'm so pleased. Tripped my way onto the set. 1356 01:25:13,734 --> 01:25:14,985 Always like to make an entrance. 1357 01:25:15,110 --> 01:25:18,363 It's interesting the choice really when I look back, 1358 01:25:18,530 --> 01:25:21,950 because then she started writing Goddess of Vengeance… 1359 01:25:24,119 --> 01:25:27,873 -which is a Lucky Santangelo book. -[upbeat music playing] 1360 01:25:28,582 --> 01:25:30,876 [narrator] "Sitting at the table was Lucky Santangelo, 1361 01:25:31,335 --> 01:25:34,463 a dark-haired beauty and business woman supreme 1362 01:25:34,546 --> 01:25:37,299 who'd experienced her own share of controversial headlines 1363 01:25:37,424 --> 01:25:39,134 and scandals over the years." 1364 01:25:40,344 --> 01:25:44,806 "'Come on, Lucky,' Ina said, 'Look at everything you've accomplished.' 1365 01:25:45,098 --> 01:25:47,768 'Admit it, you're a goddamn superwoman.'" 1366 01:25:49,686 --> 01:25:50,687 "'No.'" 1367 01:25:51,855 --> 01:25:55,067 "'I'm a woman who took chances every step of the way.'" 1368 01:25:56,735 --> 01:25:59,154 "'I had to fight for my independence.'" 1369 01:26:01,114 --> 01:26:04,076 "'Believe me, it wasn't easy.'" 1370 01:26:07,913 --> 01:26:13,752 She said, "I can't just sit here and wait to die." 1371 01:26:15,379 --> 01:26:17,756 She said, "I need to go to London." 1372 01:26:18,924 --> 01:26:20,592 I said, "Okay, we're going." 1373 01:26:23,512 --> 01:26:25,472 She knew it would be her last trip, 1374 01:26:25,764 --> 01:26:28,475 and I think she wanted to see London one last time. 1375 01:26:31,603 --> 01:26:34,398 [narrator] "Lucky smiled a slow, dangerous smile." 1376 01:26:35,774 --> 01:26:37,317 "Let the show begin." 1377 01:26:39,653 --> 01:26:42,781 "This could turn out to be quite interesting." 1378 01:26:42,864 --> 01:26:44,074 [dramatic music playing] 1379 01:26:45,367 --> 01:26:50,872 [Tracy] She was told, you know, she had two or three weeks left. 1380 01:26:54,251 --> 01:26:56,461 She really needed to come home, 1381 01:26:56,545 --> 01:26:58,547 you know, she needed to come back to London 1382 01:26:58,630 --> 01:27:01,717 and she needed to say goodbye to everybody. 1383 01:27:04,386 --> 01:27:08,557 [Joan] We had a, uh, lunch at the hotel, 1384 01:27:09,266 --> 01:27:11,476 and she was there with Laura Lizer. 1385 01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:18,567 And then she said, "Now, I have to tell you something." 1386 01:27:19,568 --> 01:27:23,447 Um… "I have stage four breast cancer." 1387 01:27:24,322 --> 01:27:27,159 And I said, "That's not possible." 1388 01:27:32,247 --> 01:27:33,331 [Laura] You know, Joan was like, 1389 01:27:33,415 --> 01:27:36,668 "Okay, well, you're okay though, right, you're okay?" 1390 01:27:36,752 --> 01:27:38,712 And Jackie said, "Yes, I'm okay." 1391 01:27:39,838 --> 01:27:44,760 And when she went into the bathroom to get something, I said to Laura, 1392 01:27:44,843 --> 01:27:45,927 "Is she okay?" 1393 01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:48,805 And she said, "Yes, she's fine, she's fine." 1394 01:27:49,389 --> 01:27:51,141 I said, "She doesn't seem fine, 1395 01:27:51,224 --> 01:27:53,477 she seems a little fragile, a little shaky." 1396 01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:54,770 She said, "She's going to be fine." 1397 01:27:54,936 --> 01:27:56,354 She was hanging on, 1398 01:27:56,563 --> 01:28:00,734 hanging on to every little bit of strength that she could hang on to 1399 01:28:01,318 --> 01:28:03,779 to live that week in London. 1400 01:28:04,863 --> 01:28:06,990 [indistinct chatter] 1401 01:28:10,952 --> 01:28:12,537 For the first TV show, 1402 01:28:13,455 --> 01:28:17,876 we asked them ahead of time if they could start with her seated 1403 01:28:18,877 --> 01:28:22,005 and not walk on and sit down. 1404 01:28:24,925 --> 01:28:26,551 [man] And just off the plane from Hollywood… 1405 01:28:26,635 --> 01:28:28,970 -[woman] It's novelist, Jackie Collins! -[man] Yeah! 1406 01:28:29,054 --> 01:28:30,847 [audience applauding, cheering] 1407 01:28:32,557 --> 01:28:33,433 Yeah. 1408 01:28:33,558 --> 01:28:36,061 -[man] Lovely to see you again, Jackie. -[woman] Lovely to have you here. 1409 01:28:36,144 --> 01:28:38,980 Well, it's great to be back, I love this show, so much fun. 1410 01:28:39,272 --> 01:28:42,692 A few people said, "Jackie looks a bit weird or a bit thin or a bit odd," 1411 01:28:42,776 --> 01:28:47,113 but, you know, like, not that well, but, I mean, she's still, you know… 1412 01:28:49,199 --> 01:28:53,954 whole outfit on, you know, takes an iron will to get up there 1413 01:28:54,037 --> 01:28:55,914 and do that when you feel as bad as that. 1414 01:28:56,248 --> 01:28:58,875 And Lucky is a really, you know, kick-ass woman. 1415 01:28:58,959 --> 01:29:02,546 I mean, she's strong, she's got everything she ever wanted 1416 01:29:02,629 --> 01:29:03,839 and she does it her way. 1417 01:29:04,381 --> 01:29:07,217 And I think we need more books with women who do it their way, 1418 01:29:07,300 --> 01:29:11,721 who are strong and sexy and can really control everything, 1419 01:29:11,805 --> 01:29:13,598 -you know, and she does. -[indistinct chatter] 1420 01:29:13,682 --> 01:29:14,850 [somber music playing] 1421 01:29:21,731 --> 01:29:26,736 In her mind, that was taking Jackie Collins out for the last time. 1422 01:29:26,820 --> 01:29:28,655 [laughing] 1423 01:29:28,738 --> 01:29:31,241 -[woman 1] That's why I love your books. -[woman 2] The thing is, I know. 1424 01:29:31,366 --> 01:29:33,410 [woman 3] Talking about the book, see, I know that you're very good 1425 01:29:33,493 --> 01:29:35,537 -in your research, very meticulous. -[Jackie] Yes. 1426 01:29:35,620 --> 01:29:38,248 So I need to know, did you check out all those sexual positions 1427 01:29:38,331 --> 01:29:40,250 -before you wrote the books? -Absolutely, every one, 1428 01:29:40,333 --> 01:29:42,335 -that's why I'm exhausted. -[women laughing] 1429 01:29:43,253 --> 01:29:44,504 [somber music playing] 1430 01:29:49,342 --> 01:29:52,846 You know, Jackie, she lived for her work and she was still working. 1431 01:29:52,929 --> 01:29:56,224 She was doing talk shows and she was doing what she loved doing. 1432 01:29:56,433 --> 01:29:59,227 So she did what she loved doing right up to 1433 01:29:59,311 --> 01:30:01,187 the last moment that she possibly could. 1434 01:30:01,271 --> 01:30:05,150 I wrote a book called Rockstar, and this rockstar told me the real story… 1435 01:30:05,233 --> 01:30:06,818 "This is how I want to be remembered." 1436 01:30:08,987 --> 01:30:11,656 She knew she was going to pass shortly after that. 1437 01:30:11,740 --> 01:30:14,492 Yeah. And I try to write erotic sex and humorous sex. 1438 01:30:14,576 --> 01:30:16,328 -[woman] Exactly. -And great sex. 1439 01:30:16,453 --> 01:30:19,164 I mean, Lucky in the new book, she has tantric sex. 1440 01:30:19,247 --> 01:30:21,708 [Laura] So all the last pictures of her… 1441 01:30:21,875 --> 01:30:22,959 [heartbeat] 1442 01:30:23,084 --> 01:30:26,546 …her working and promoting a book. 1443 01:30:29,466 --> 01:30:30,926 [romantic music playing] 1444 01:30:32,469 --> 01:30:33,845 Goodbye, stranger. 1445 01:30:35,055 --> 01:30:36,389 Maybe in another life. 1446 01:30:37,390 --> 01:30:40,602 [Tracy] "No goodbyes, no goodbyes, I'm seeing you all at Christmas." 1447 01:30:41,603 --> 01:30:44,439 [Bill] And off she went to America with Laura. 1448 01:30:50,111 --> 01:30:52,238 [Barbara] I never knew she was sick. 1449 01:30:54,282 --> 01:30:57,202 And you know what, I think that was strong… 1450 01:30:58,870 --> 01:31:03,667 and she showed strength in women and within her. 1451 01:31:03,792 --> 01:31:08,463 It's amazing how much her mind, that how she could control things 1452 01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:13,259 and how she was so strong mentally to deal with it the way 1453 01:31:13,343 --> 01:31:16,262 that, you know, she dealt with it, sorry. [crying] 1454 01:31:18,890 --> 01:31:21,184 It was pretty spectacular, because she just-- 1455 01:31:21,267 --> 01:31:23,895 She got to do everything she wanted to do 1456 01:31:24,145 --> 01:31:28,608 and it was like she knew what was going to happen when she got home. 1457 01:31:28,733 --> 01:31:31,903 It was like she wrote her ending, that's what it felt like. 1458 01:31:31,987 --> 01:31:33,321 It was like she wrote her ending. 1459 01:31:35,281 --> 01:31:37,492 [somber music playing] 1460 01:31:43,039 --> 01:31:44,874 [Joan] I was in the south of France then… 1461 01:31:46,042 --> 01:31:48,420 and my cellphone beeped 1462 01:31:49,421 --> 01:31:51,381 and I turned it on. 1463 01:31:52,215 --> 01:31:54,968 And they said, "She's passed." 1464 01:31:57,095 --> 01:31:59,305 I cried everyday for three months. 1465 01:32:00,890 --> 01:32:03,810 I missed her, I have pictures of her still all over. 1466 01:32:06,813 --> 01:32:09,149 We were so on the same wavelength with, like, 1467 01:32:09,482 --> 01:32:12,652 things that happened, with seeing movies or with gossip. 1468 01:32:15,196 --> 01:32:16,948 My sister was amazing. 1469 01:32:18,533 --> 01:32:20,994 She had an incredible life. 1470 01:32:23,079 --> 01:32:27,375 And of course, you know, it was pretty shattering when she died, 1471 01:32:27,459 --> 01:32:33,465 because she was the rock that kept our family together. 1472 01:32:33,548 --> 01:32:35,508 [somber music continues] 1473 01:32:35,884 --> 01:32:37,010 [sniffs] 1474 01:32:42,515 --> 01:32:46,144 [Melody] I think being Jackie Collins, you know, that energetic, 1475 01:32:46,478 --> 01:32:53,193 brilliant persona that everybody saw is who she loved to be. 1476 01:32:54,152 --> 01:32:56,529 [Tiffany] That became entirely who she was, 1477 01:32:56,905 --> 01:33:00,033 it wasn't like she was lost in that or that she was hiding a part of herself, 1478 01:33:00,116 --> 01:33:02,077 but just that is who she was. 1479 01:33:04,496 --> 01:33:08,291 She was Jackie Collins, and then she was gone. 1480 01:33:10,126 --> 01:33:11,753 [insects chirping] 1481 01:33:13,671 --> 01:33:15,340 [Jackie] "Lucky knew it was time to leave." 1482 01:33:17,926 --> 01:33:19,803 "She brushed her long jet hair, 1483 01:33:19,928 --> 01:33:22,639 pinning it back on each side with ebony combs." 1484 01:33:23,556 --> 01:33:28,770 "She had power, she had control, she had everything she'd always wanted." 1485 01:33:30,146 --> 01:33:32,482 "She drove down the winding narrow road fast, 1486 01:33:32,565 --> 01:33:34,234 humming softly to herself." 1487 01:33:37,570 --> 01:33:39,697 "Tonight she would be like a queen." 1488 01:33:51,334 --> 01:33:52,710 ["Le Fleurs" playing] 1489 01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:02,137 If you only did a documentary 1490 01:34:02,262 --> 01:34:06,224 showing her what she was showing to everybody, who cares? 1491 01:34:06,558 --> 01:34:07,767 Frankly, who cares? 1492 01:34:08,143 --> 01:34:12,689 The only upside of being old is that you don't give a damn. 1493 01:34:12,772 --> 01:34:14,649 -[woman laughing] -It happened, it's my life. 1494 01:34:15,733 --> 01:34:18,945 [Morton] The great storyteller is rarer than the great writer. 1495 01:34:19,571 --> 01:34:21,698 And Jackie was a great storyteller. 1496 01:34:22,907 --> 01:34:24,909 [Tracy] I think we're back full circle now with, 1497 01:34:24,993 --> 01:34:27,912 you know, women saying actually to be women we can be whatever we want. 1498 01:34:27,996 --> 01:34:30,039 We can be really openly sexual if we want. 1499 01:34:30,123 --> 01:34:34,502 She broke ground for all us women. She really did. 1500 01:34:34,711 --> 01:34:37,755 What would Lucky Santangelo do, what would Jackie Collins do? 1501 01:34:38,047 --> 01:34:39,883 Channel your Jackie Collins energy. 1502 01:34:41,342 --> 01:34:43,887 What I learned from her is that I can do anything. 1503 01:34:44,345 --> 01:34:47,891 And I can speak my mind. And I don't have to hide behind somebody. 1504 01:34:48,641 --> 01:34:55,315 She loved success in women. She was very iconic in that way. 1505 01:34:55,398 --> 01:34:56,900 [Barbara] Can I tell you something? 1506 01:34:58,359 --> 01:35:00,320 She happened to have been brilliant. 1507 01:35:00,862 --> 01:35:04,407 ♪ Ring all the bells sing And tell the people everywhere ♪ 1508 01:35:04,490 --> 01:35:06,910 ♪ That the flower has come ♪ 1509 01:35:07,160 --> 01:35:10,622 ♪ Light up the sky with your prayers Of gladness and rejoice ♪ 1510 01:35:10,705 --> 01:35:12,665 ♪ For the darkness is gone ♪ 1511 01:35:13,333 --> 01:35:16,920 ♪ Throw off your fears Let your heart beat freely at the sign ♪ 1512 01:35:17,003 --> 01:35:19,797 ♪ That a new time is born ♪ 1513 01:35:33,102 --> 01:35:38,942 ♪ May mosaydee kaylie lowya roses ♪ 1514 01:35:39,025 --> 01:35:43,196 ♪ Say money ain't na, na, oh na ♪ 1515 01:35:45,448 --> 01:35:51,829 ♪ Looking for vayda tay breeze ♪ 1516 01:35:51,955 --> 01:35:56,042 ♪ May mosaydee kaylie lowya roses ♪ 1517 01:35:58,127 --> 01:36:04,175 ♪ For all of these simple things And much more, a flower was born ♪ 1518 01:36:04,592 --> 01:36:10,431 ♪ It blooms to spread love and joy Faith and hope to people forlorn ♪ 1519 01:36:10,515 --> 01:36:17,272 ♪ Inside every man lives The seed of a flower ♪ 1520 01:36:17,772 --> 01:36:23,444 ♪ If he looks within He finds beauty and power ♪ 1521 01:36:35,832 --> 01:36:40,461 [vocalizing]