1 00:00:06,986 --> 00:00:10,156 [eerie music playing] 2 00:00:11,699 --> 00:00:14,744 [brooding music playing] 3 00:00:20,499 --> 00:00:22,209 [Terry] For nearly 16 years, 4 00:00:22,293 --> 00:00:26,922 I had undertaken a harrowing investigation into the Son of Sam killings. 5 00:00:29,508 --> 00:00:33,220 But I had yet to uncover the ultimate truth behind these crimes. 6 00:00:37,933 --> 00:00:39,185 Since the beginning, 7 00:00:39,268 --> 00:00:42,897 I had suspected a mysterious cult known as "The Children" 8 00:00:42,980 --> 00:00:45,900 played a pivotal role in the Son of Sam murders. 9 00:00:49,445 --> 00:00:52,615 But still, there were so many unanswered questions. 10 00:00:54,825 --> 00:00:58,037 How did David Berkowitz become involved with this cult? 11 00:00:59,121 --> 00:01:01,874 Who pulled the trigger at each brutal slaying? 12 00:01:03,250 --> 00:01:05,795 And who was still out there? 13 00:01:06,879 --> 00:01:09,799 And now, for the first time in all of these years, 14 00:01:09,882 --> 00:01:13,135 I had my chance to finally understand why. 15 00:01:15,763 --> 00:01:19,433 Today, I would meet the elusive and silent… 16 00:01:20,059 --> 00:01:21,352 David Berkowitz. 17 00:01:24,730 --> 00:01:27,858 [Darwen] This was the moment that Maury had been dreaming about 18 00:01:27,942 --> 00:01:30,152 and working for really hard for a long time. 19 00:01:32,279 --> 00:01:34,490 This was the Golden Fleece. 20 00:01:34,573 --> 00:01:38,285 He got an interview with a guy who never spoke to anyone and everyone wanted. 21 00:01:39,411 --> 00:01:41,038 And I'm observing all this. 22 00:01:42,665 --> 00:01:44,792 We're about to meet David Berkowitz. 23 00:01:45,501 --> 00:01:47,878 We're obviously nervous. We want this. 24 00:01:48,462 --> 00:01:50,464 We don't know which way it's gonna fall. 25 00:01:50,548 --> 00:01:52,800 We don't know who we're about to talk to. 26 00:01:52,883 --> 00:01:55,427 This is Son of Sam. God knows what we're gonna see. 27 00:01:57,346 --> 00:01:59,390 For Maury, it was a huge deal. 28 00:01:59,473 --> 00:02:04,770 A little bit like Maury was Holmes and Berkowitz was his Moriarty. 29 00:02:06,981 --> 00:02:08,482 This was intense. 30 00:02:08,566 --> 00:02:09,942 This was heavy shit. 31 00:02:10,568 --> 00:02:12,945 -[people clamoring] -[camera shutters clicking] 32 00:02:15,573 --> 00:02:18,117 And sure enough, out he walks. 33 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,953 [tense music playing] 34 00:02:21,704 --> 00:02:24,582 [man] Watch it. Come on now, son! Get out of here.  35 00:02:30,337 --> 00:02:32,423 ["Season of the Witch" by Joan Jett plays] 36 00:02:36,177 --> 00:02:38,554 ♪ When I look out my window ♪ 37 00:02:41,640 --> 00:02:43,475 ♪ Many sights to see ♪ 38 00:02:45,311 --> 00:02:47,146 ♪ That it's strange ♪ 39 00:02:50,566 --> 00:02:53,694 ♪ So strange  40 00:02:55,237 --> 00:02:58,574 ♪ You've got to pick up every stitch ♪ 41 00:02:59,783 --> 00:03:02,494 ♪ Oh, no ♪ 42 00:03:02,578 --> 00:03:06,332 ♪ Must be the season of the witch ♪ 43 00:03:06,957 --> 00:03:10,920 ♪ Must be the season of the witch ♪ 44 00:03:11,879 --> 00:03:14,381 ♪ Must be the season of the witch ♪ 45 00:03:21,597 --> 00:03:23,724 [atmospheric music playing] 46 00:03:23,807 --> 00:03:26,685 [crows cawing] 47 00:03:26,769 --> 00:03:30,397 [Berkowitz] Just seemed like everything  that happened was my destiny. 48 00:03:33,234 --> 00:03:35,611 Almost as if everything had been set up. 49 00:03:36,111 --> 00:03:38,364 That all of this stuff was inevitable. 50 00:03:39,406 --> 00:03:40,783 It was just inevitable. 51 00:03:45,371 --> 00:03:47,081 I was born out of wedlock. 52 00:03:47,164 --> 00:03:48,499 And… 53 00:03:49,458 --> 00:03:51,585 my mother had been married to someone else, 54 00:03:51,669 --> 00:03:53,754 and my father to someone else, and so, 55 00:03:53,837 --> 00:03:55,965 they did not want to, uh, keep me, 56 00:03:56,048 --> 00:04:01,303 so the Berkowitzes, they took me home, they adopted me, and, uh, they raised me. 57 00:04:02,012 --> 00:04:05,266 And, uh, even though I grew up in a loving home, 58 00:04:05,349 --> 00:04:09,853 I had many, many emotional problems and was always in trouble. 59 00:04:10,354 --> 00:04:13,107 We couldn't believe it. He was polite. 60 00:04:14,275 --> 00:04:16,193 He was well-spoken. 61 00:04:16,277 --> 00:04:20,030 [Darwen] We were all expecting to meet a raving maniac. 62 00:04:20,114 --> 00:04:23,534 But really… I never just could get a grip of things. 63 00:04:23,617 --> 00:04:26,203 I was always a very tormented person. 64 00:04:27,246 --> 00:04:31,417 [Darwen] We went into his background. How he felt tormented as a child. 65 00:04:31,500 --> 00:04:35,129 He felt something calling to him, pulling him into the darkness. 66 00:04:35,212 --> 00:04:38,966 [Berkowitz] There was something, a force, pulling me outside into the night, 67 00:04:39,049 --> 00:04:40,676 to just kind of roam around. 68 00:04:40,759 --> 00:04:43,012 I don't know what it was. It was just… 69 00:04:43,679 --> 00:04:45,848 Why do you think, looking back, 70 00:04:45,931 --> 00:04:49,184 some things happened when you came out of the army? 71 00:04:49,268 --> 00:04:53,230 When I had gotten out of the service, it was a big time of transition for me. 72 00:04:54,815 --> 00:04:57,901 I was very vulnerable. I was very lonely, empty, and… 73 00:04:58,569 --> 00:05:00,988 You know, I had no sense of direction. 74 00:05:01,697 --> 00:05:03,782 Just wasn't getting anything out of life. 75 00:05:04,283 --> 00:05:05,826 I had met some people. 76 00:05:05,909 --> 00:05:08,787 They were at a party nearby, and we met, and, uh,… 77 00:05:09,455 --> 00:05:10,706 we spoke for a while. 78 00:05:11,290 --> 00:05:15,002 Some of the people seemed to be just hanging out, you know, like me, 79 00:05:15,085 --> 00:05:17,296 and just looking for companionship. 80 00:05:17,379 --> 00:05:19,298 That was basically it, you know? 81 00:05:19,798 --> 00:05:23,135 Maury knew the area where Berkowitz was. 82 00:05:24,178 --> 00:05:26,805 He also was aware of Untermyer Park 83 00:05:27,389 --> 00:05:30,017 and some of the strange stuff you see down there. 84 00:05:30,851 --> 00:05:33,687 He wanted to know if Berkowitz was part of it. 85 00:05:34,313 --> 00:05:37,066 Did there come a point in time when it got more serious? 86 00:05:37,149 --> 00:05:39,485 Was that over in Yonkers, up in Untermyer Park? 87 00:05:39,568 --> 00:05:41,236 [Berkowitz] Right, right, right. 88 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,114 We had a spot where there was like a circle with rocks. 89 00:05:44,198 --> 00:05:47,409 Everybody could sit on a rock and so forth and rap out there, 90 00:05:47,493 --> 00:05:48,744 in the middle of nowhere. 91 00:05:49,912 --> 00:05:52,873 You could actually feel, like, a force out there, 92 00:05:52,956 --> 00:05:55,709 a presence out there in the darkness. 93 00:05:56,794 --> 00:05:59,880 We began to hear more and more conversations about witchcraft, 94 00:05:59,963 --> 00:06:01,256 about black magic. 95 00:06:02,049 --> 00:06:05,719 We were really having little religious services almost. 96 00:06:07,888 --> 00:06:10,766 I did begin to witness some animal sacrifices. 97 00:06:11,934 --> 00:06:15,354 I was repulsed in one way, but I was fascinated in another. 98 00:06:16,230 --> 00:06:17,731 This was something different. 99 00:06:17,815 --> 00:06:21,568 Nobody else was doing this, except our small, little circle of people. 100 00:06:21,652 --> 00:06:24,363 They made it feel special or something? 101 00:06:24,446 --> 00:06:26,657 Yeah, yeah. We felt special. 102 00:06:27,533 --> 00:06:32,538 There came a time, uh, when you were formally initiated into this group. 103 00:06:33,247 --> 00:06:36,125 [Darwen] He asked him details  about the cult. 104 00:06:37,126 --> 00:06:38,752 How they lured him into it. 105 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,214 Introduced him to the ceremonies. 106 00:06:42,923 --> 00:06:45,342 He was drawn in, manipulated. 107 00:06:46,468 --> 00:06:50,556 I think Maury understood that a bunch of kids messing around in the woods, 108 00:06:51,348 --> 00:06:56,562 you know, can be very good foot soldiers for a large satanic network. 109 00:06:56,645 --> 00:07:01,108 I took an oath and made a little blood pact 110 00:07:01,733 --> 00:07:04,778 that I would serve the devil, and, uh… 111 00:07:04,862 --> 00:07:08,031 Did you have to turn over anything to the leaders 112 00:07:08,115 --> 00:07:09,575 -of the group at that point? -Yeah. 113 00:07:09,658 --> 00:07:13,620 Yeah. I had to give pictures  of, uh, my family. 114 00:07:14,371 --> 00:07:17,499 I was told that, "We're all brothers and sisters now." 115 00:07:17,583 --> 00:07:21,753 "If you betray this group, you have to understand, we're gonna get your family." 116 00:07:22,337 --> 00:07:26,175 Did it surprise you that John Carr and Michael Carr 117 00:07:26,258 --> 00:07:28,260 came to the end that they came to? 118 00:07:28,343 --> 00:07:30,512 No. There's a price to pay. 119 00:07:30,596 --> 00:07:34,183 What usually happens to people involved in the occult, 120 00:07:34,266 --> 00:07:36,059 it's the tragic auto accident, 121 00:07:36,143 --> 00:07:39,605 and, you know, the freak accident, 122 00:07:40,314 --> 00:07:41,315 and they're gone. 123 00:07:42,983 --> 00:07:45,152 [Terry] So all this had been going on. 124 00:07:45,235 --> 00:07:49,656 It seemed like a snowball going down a hill in a sense, wasn't it? 125 00:07:49,740 --> 00:07:55,454 Yeah. I never believed, beyond my wildest imagination, 126 00:07:55,537 --> 00:07:58,832 that, one day, innocent people were gonna die. 127 00:07:58,916 --> 00:08:03,462 The Son of Sam shootings, did that just happen, or were these… 128 00:08:03,545 --> 00:08:05,380 Or did they just want more violence, 129 00:08:05,464 --> 00:08:07,758 and they planned that they were gonna do this? 130 00:08:07,841 --> 00:08:10,802 It's something even so horrible to contemplate, but… 131 00:08:11,303 --> 00:08:14,932 Is that how they viewed the shootings, or at least most of the shootings, 132 00:08:15,015 --> 00:08:16,350 as the ultimate sacrifice? 133 00:08:16,433 --> 00:08:18,685 -Is that sort of the idea? -Yeah. 134 00:08:20,187 --> 00:08:24,274 Did Maury lead? I don't know if I'd call it leading. 135 00:08:25,442 --> 00:08:28,820 Maury would say things like, "Is it true… 136 00:08:30,072 --> 00:08:31,240 that this happened?" 137 00:08:32,074 --> 00:08:34,743 If it was you, and you'd done 16 years of this, 138 00:08:34,826 --> 00:08:37,287 and you're talking to the guy that did it… 139 00:08:37,371 --> 00:08:40,832 Did Maury want him to confirm his investigation? Of course he did. 140 00:08:41,416 --> 00:08:45,671 Now, there were a series of eight attacks. 141 00:08:45,754 --> 00:08:47,548 -Yeah. -Did you do all of them? 142 00:08:48,131 --> 00:08:50,342 Uh, I was at all of them. 143 00:08:50,425 --> 00:08:54,263 I did not pull the trigger at every single one of them. 144 00:08:55,013 --> 00:09:00,435 But the police, for some reason, just stuck with the one-person scenario. 145 00:09:00,519 --> 00:09:05,065 Although, it's not important, because I did do some of the crimes. I did-- 146 00:09:05,148 --> 00:09:07,985 You may not think that it's all that relevant 147 00:09:08,068 --> 00:09:10,529 as to what you did or what you didn't do, 148 00:09:10,612 --> 00:09:14,157 but I can guarantee you that to the public and the families and all, 149 00:09:14,241 --> 00:09:16,743 it's very important, to the survivors, the victims. 150 00:09:16,827 --> 00:09:21,832 -Well-- -So if we can go through that quickly. 151 00:09:21,915 --> 00:09:23,083 -Yeah. -Is that all right? 152 00:09:23,166 --> 00:09:26,169 -Just to go through it quickly. -From what I can remember… 153 00:09:26,253 --> 00:09:30,382 So much of it, I really wanna forget. Don't really wanna talk about that. 154 00:09:30,465 --> 00:09:31,300 Mh-hm. 155 00:09:32,509 --> 00:09:35,512 [Darwen] There may have been a little cat and mouse going on. 156 00:09:36,054 --> 00:09:38,557 Berkowitz wouldn't tell him he was on or off. 157 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:40,809 Wouldn't give him information he wanted. 158 00:09:41,393 --> 00:09:42,561 Maury pushed him. 159 00:09:43,270 --> 00:09:44,980 At these crime scenes, David… 160 00:09:45,063 --> 00:09:46,315 There were eight attacks. 161 00:09:46,398 --> 00:09:48,150 You said you didn't do all of them. 162 00:09:48,233 --> 00:09:49,067 Yeah. 163 00:09:50,152 --> 00:09:51,153 Um… 164 00:09:52,279 --> 00:09:53,614 Donna Lauria in the Bronx? 165 00:09:57,618 --> 00:09:58,452 Was that you? 166 00:09:58,952 --> 00:09:59,786 Yeah. 167 00:10:00,203 --> 00:10:03,582 Uh… Carl Denaro, Rosemary Keenan in Queens? 168 00:10:03,665 --> 00:10:04,499 No. 169 00:10:04,583 --> 00:10:06,710 Joanne Lomino, Donna DeMasi? 170 00:10:06,793 --> 00:10:08,712 [siren wailing] 171 00:10:08,795 --> 00:10:09,630 No. 172 00:10:10,589 --> 00:10:12,257 Christine Freund in Queens? 173 00:10:12,341 --> 00:10:13,175 No. 174 00:10:14,593 --> 00:10:16,553 Virginia Voskerichian in Queens? 175 00:10:16,637 --> 00:10:17,471 No. 176 00:10:18,388 --> 00:10:20,098 [Maury] Any of those in Queens? 177 00:10:20,182 --> 00:10:22,726 No, I was there. I was in that area. 178 00:10:22,809 --> 00:10:27,648 Back to the Bronx, we have the shootings of Valentina Suriani and Alex Esau. 179 00:10:27,731 --> 00:10:28,690 Was that you? 180 00:10:31,401 --> 00:10:35,697 We go back out to Queens by the Elephas disco out in Bayside. 181 00:10:35,781 --> 00:10:38,450 Judy Placido, Sal Lupo. Was that you? 182 00:10:39,034 --> 00:10:39,868 No. 183 00:10:40,786 --> 00:10:43,955 And finally, probably one of the most infamous shootings 184 00:10:44,039 --> 00:10:46,166 in the history of the United States, 185 00:10:46,249 --> 00:10:48,043 the murder of Stacy Moskowitz, 186 00:10:48,126 --> 00:10:50,045 the blinding of Robert Violante 187 00:10:50,128 --> 00:10:52,881 -in Brooklyn. -[indistinct police radio chatter] 188 00:10:52,964 --> 00:10:54,049 [Terry] Was that you? 189 00:10:55,967 --> 00:10:56,802 No. 190 00:10:57,719 --> 00:11:02,432 Is it true that John and Michael Carr were part of this group? 191 00:11:02,516 --> 00:11:03,684 Yes, yes, they were. 192 00:11:05,894 --> 00:11:08,647 Did either John or Michael Carr on occasion 193 00:11:08,730 --> 00:11:10,899 pull the trigger in one of these attacks? 194 00:11:10,982 --> 00:11:11,817 Yes. 195 00:11:13,151 --> 00:11:15,570 So, in summation, at each of these crime scenes, 196 00:11:15,654 --> 00:11:20,033 we had multiple accomplices acting in concert. 197 00:11:20,117 --> 00:11:22,911 -Sometimes three or four-- -And multiple vehicles. 198 00:11:22,994 --> 00:11:26,206 -Yeah. -Okay. And multiple shooters. 199 00:11:26,289 --> 00:11:27,165 Yeah. 200 00:11:28,125 --> 00:11:31,461 [Darwen] We couldn't believe it. This was the step he wanted. 201 00:11:31,545 --> 00:11:36,133 David Berkowitz largely confirming everything of his investigation. 202 00:11:37,134 --> 00:11:39,428 And giving him more details on it. 203 00:11:40,470 --> 00:11:43,473 But Maury, most of all, 204 00:11:43,557 --> 00:11:49,020 wanted Berkowitz to name the people. 205 00:11:50,147 --> 00:11:53,734 But apart from the Carr brothers, Berkowitz wouldn't give it up. 206 00:11:53,817 --> 00:11:54,651 No. 207 00:11:56,278 --> 00:12:01,199 [Darwen] And so, unfortunately, he didn't get everything he wanted. 208 00:12:02,033 --> 00:12:06,580 But Maury confirmed in his mind that he found the evidence, 209 00:12:06,663 --> 00:12:09,791 he investigated it, and he was right. 210 00:12:09,875 --> 00:12:13,420 And you know what? This rewrites criminal history. 211 00:12:13,503 --> 00:12:15,464 A .44 caliber Bulldog. 212 00:12:16,256 --> 00:12:20,635 [Darwen] The worst serial killer  in New York City didn't do it on his own. 213 00:12:21,803 --> 00:12:23,555 This is monstrous. 214 00:12:23,638 --> 00:12:25,515 I mean, that's a big frickin' deal. 215 00:12:25,599 --> 00:12:27,350 I was ecstatic. 216 00:12:28,268 --> 00:12:31,062 The interview was prepared for Inside Edition. 217 00:12:32,481 --> 00:12:34,483 And we knew we had a ton of great stuff. 218 00:12:34,566 --> 00:12:36,067 [TV show theme plays] 219 00:12:36,151 --> 00:12:39,738 [O'Reilly] A killer called Son of Sam. He preyed on pretty, young women. 220 00:12:39,821 --> 00:12:43,158 He terrorized New York City. He taunted the police and the media. 221 00:12:43,241 --> 00:12:46,203 And since he was caught, he has not talked, 222 00:12:46,286 --> 00:12:47,245 until now. 223 00:12:47,996 --> 00:12:51,291 [Darwen] The reaction was like the equivalent of firing a missile. 224 00:12:51,374 --> 00:12:53,084 [reporter] David Berkowitz speaks. 225 00:12:53,168 --> 00:12:54,628 It just exploded. 226 00:12:55,504 --> 00:12:58,131 [John Roland] David Berkowitz's sick,  twisted mind 227 00:12:58,215 --> 00:13:01,676 put him on the front pages 16 years ago as the Son of Sam. 228 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:03,053 Well, now he is back. 229 00:13:03,136 --> 00:13:05,555 So the Son of Sam conspiracy theory lives, 230 00:13:05,639 --> 00:13:07,849 with new help from David Berkowitz himself. 231 00:13:07,933 --> 00:13:10,727 Mr. Berkowitz is now saying that he is not alone. 232 00:13:10,811 --> 00:13:15,440 He said he was a member of a satanic cult. He said others joined him in the killings. 233 00:13:15,524 --> 00:13:19,110 This was the biggest reaction I ever got to anything I ever did by far. 234 00:13:19,194 --> 00:13:21,822 [reporter] He was involved  with a satanic cult. 235 00:13:21,905 --> 00:13:25,075 And he had help in committing murder after murder. 236 00:13:25,158 --> 00:13:27,118 [Terry] There were a series of eight… 237 00:13:27,202 --> 00:13:28,537 [Denaro] I turned this on. 238 00:13:28,620 --> 00:13:31,122 There's Maury Terry, the guy that wrote the book, 239 00:13:31,206 --> 00:13:32,958 interviewing David Berkowitz. 240 00:13:33,458 --> 00:13:34,376 It's kinda cool. 241 00:13:34,459 --> 00:13:38,463 But it was also a little unnerving to hear your name being talked about 242 00:13:38,547 --> 00:13:40,423 by two people you never met before. 243 00:13:40,507 --> 00:13:44,469 I did not pull the trigger at every single one of them. 244 00:13:44,553 --> 00:13:48,348 [Denaro] To hear him in his own voice say, "I did not shoot Carl Denaro," 245 00:13:48,431 --> 00:13:50,600 I was just blown away. I was, like… 246 00:13:51,226 --> 00:13:56,773 This guy who, for the last 35 years, you were told that he shot you… 247 00:13:57,357 --> 00:13:59,401 I mean, this is, like, mind-boggling. 248 00:13:59,484 --> 00:14:02,195 This is information that could turn this case around. 249 00:14:02,279 --> 00:14:04,072 [Darwen] Maury would have loved 250 00:14:04,155 --> 00:14:06,950 for the police to admit they fucked up. 251 00:14:07,033 --> 00:14:09,870 I don't know what the New York City police did. 252 00:14:09,953 --> 00:14:11,413 I still don't know. 253 00:14:11,496 --> 00:14:16,042 I feel the city did wrong. They never followed up the case. 254 00:14:16,126 --> 00:14:20,213 And we thought the case would get reopened on the strength of this. 255 00:14:22,382 --> 00:14:25,760 Unfortunately, it just outraged the police. 256 00:14:26,803 --> 00:14:29,347 And some of the press started pushing back. 257 00:14:30,056 --> 00:14:33,101 "This is bullshit. Maury's a liar. I'm a liar. 258 00:14:33,184 --> 00:14:36,730 Berkowitz is a liar, and we've facilitated the lie." 259 00:14:36,813 --> 00:14:41,651 'Cause they don't wanna hear anyone saying that, for 16 years, they fucked it up. 260 00:14:41,735 --> 00:14:42,694 It was a war. 261 00:14:42,777 --> 00:14:44,154 Boom, boom. 262 00:14:44,237 --> 00:14:45,822 Hit, counter punch. Hit. 263 00:14:45,906 --> 00:14:48,575 I was kinda under siege. So was Maury. 264 00:14:48,658 --> 00:14:51,536 Suddenly, somebody writes a book about satanic cults, 265 00:14:51,620 --> 00:14:53,580 and stories start changing. Don't know. 266 00:14:53,663 --> 00:14:56,917 It's interesting how stories change if the books are written. 267 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,377 When you're coming, and you're criticizing me, 268 00:14:59,461 --> 00:15:01,671 and that criticism is justified, 269 00:15:01,755 --> 00:15:03,298 fine, I'll take that. 270 00:15:03,882 --> 00:15:04,841 We'll correct that. 271 00:15:04,925 --> 00:15:08,094 But when you go making up stories, like a cult, 272 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:10,221 I don't buy it at all. 273 00:15:10,305 --> 00:15:13,141 I get annoyed. Like I'm getting annoyed now. 274 00:15:13,224 --> 00:15:16,770 I think the police, at least the top levels of the police department, 275 00:15:16,853 --> 00:15:19,856 had to suspect that something was really wrong here. 276 00:15:19,940 --> 00:15:22,901 [Ott] NYPD is a very powerful organization. 277 00:15:22,984 --> 00:15:26,738 They don't wanna look bad. Okay? It's all politics. 278 00:15:26,821 --> 00:15:30,659 They would do anything to dispel Maury Terry, 279 00:15:30,742 --> 00:15:34,287 his reputation, his beliefs or his theories or whatever, 280 00:15:35,121 --> 00:15:36,790 because they felt threatened. 281 00:15:37,374 --> 00:15:40,001 I don't wanna use any profanity, but baloney. 282 00:15:40,710 --> 00:15:42,837 It was almost like the police investigators 283 00:15:42,921 --> 00:15:47,842 who accepted a lone gunman theory were getting very defensive about it. 284 00:15:48,593 --> 00:15:52,514 We looked into cult activities. We looked into a variety of things. 285 00:15:52,597 --> 00:15:55,934 And he committed all those crimes alone. 286 00:15:56,017 --> 00:15:58,269 There was a detective involved in that case. 287 00:15:58,353 --> 00:16:00,563 He was kind of Maury's nemesis. 288 00:16:00,647 --> 00:16:02,190 His name was Coffey. 289 00:16:02,273 --> 00:16:06,695 As far as I'm concerned, and I'll go to my grave with this, he acted alone. 290 00:16:06,778 --> 00:16:11,366 [Ott] Joe Coffey had a very antagonistic relationship with Maury Terry. 291 00:16:12,117 --> 00:16:15,245 Joe Coffey would go out of his way to make Maury look bad. 292 00:16:15,328 --> 00:16:18,248 He has Berkowitz mouthing his ideas, 293 00:16:18,331 --> 00:16:21,668 which I believe, and I'm convinced of it, are totally fraudulent. 294 00:16:21,751 --> 00:16:25,255 Coffey swore he was right, and Maury knew he was right. 295 00:16:25,338 --> 00:16:26,548 It's a stalemate. 296 00:16:27,173 --> 00:16:29,759 [male radio host] From New Jersey 489 WABC. 297 00:16:29,843 --> 00:16:32,804 Investigative reporter, writer, Maury Terry. 298 00:16:32,887 --> 00:16:38,018 If you'd like to join in this most chilling conversation, 2-1-2-8-7-7 WABC. 299 00:16:38,101 --> 00:16:38,935 Yes, Joseph? 300 00:16:39,019 --> 00:16:41,980 [Coffey] Yes, uh, Mr. Terry,  I have a question for you. 301 00:16:42,063 --> 00:16:44,524 -[Terry] Yes. -I was an investigator on that case. 302 00:16:44,607 --> 00:16:48,069 I was the detective sergeant in charge of nine operations on the case. 303 00:16:48,153 --> 00:16:51,072 -[Terry] This wouldn't be Joe Coffey? -[Coffey] Yes, it is. 304 00:16:51,156 --> 00:16:52,657 We know exactly what you are. 305 00:16:52,741 --> 00:16:55,452 You're perpetrating a fraud on the public. You know it. 306 00:16:55,535 --> 00:16:57,704 [Terry] If there was a fraud perpetrated, 307 00:16:57,787 --> 00:17:00,582 it was done by the Omega task force back in 1977, 308 00:17:00,665 --> 00:17:04,627 not by me, the Queens DA's office, or other investigators seeking the truth. 309 00:17:04,711 --> 00:17:06,755 [Coffey] The PD deals in evidence. 310 00:17:06,838 --> 00:17:08,590 -Regulations. -[Terry] So do I, Joe. 311 00:17:08,673 --> 00:17:10,550 and so does John Santucci in Queens. 312 00:17:10,633 --> 00:17:15,722 [Coffey] John Santucci is another story. Everybody is entitled to their opinion. 313 00:17:15,805 --> 00:17:18,224 [Terry] You mean Santucci just has an opinion? 314 00:17:18,308 --> 00:17:20,977 -He's not a professional investigator? -Certainly not. 315 00:17:21,061 --> 00:17:23,396 [Terry] His office will be delighted to hear that. 316 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:24,481 -[host] Joe. -Yes? 317 00:17:24,564 --> 00:17:27,275 [host] Uh, do you feel threatened  by Maury Terry's-- 318 00:17:27,358 --> 00:17:31,154 [Coffey] Not at all. I think the public  should be made aware what a fraud this is. 319 00:17:31,237 --> 00:17:32,739 [host] Have you read the book? 320 00:17:32,822 --> 00:17:35,075 [Coffey] No, sir,  I wouldn't read that trash. 321 00:17:35,158 --> 00:17:37,160 -It's rubbish. -[host] You ought to. 322 00:17:37,243 --> 00:17:39,162 [Coffey] I don't like reading fiction. 323 00:17:39,245 --> 00:17:41,414 When you know you're right, 324 00:17:41,498 --> 00:17:45,210 when you know you're pursuing the right goals, 325 00:17:45,293 --> 00:17:49,255 and others are giving you no credibility at all and refusing even to listen… 326 00:17:49,339 --> 00:17:53,551 Maury, one former New York City cop says Berkowitz is lying flat out. 327 00:17:53,635 --> 00:17:54,761 How do you respond? 328 00:17:54,844 --> 00:17:58,723 -They have something to hide, to protect. -[Amicone] That's the toughest part. 329 00:17:58,807 --> 00:18:01,893 When you have evidence, and they won't even look at it. 330 00:18:01,976 --> 00:18:03,103 That frustrated him. 331 00:18:03,186 --> 00:18:05,146 There are shooters who are still alive, 332 00:18:05,230 --> 00:18:08,233 leaders who are still alive, accomplices who are still alive. 333 00:18:08,316 --> 00:18:09,901 [Amicone] Maury was relentless, 334 00:18:09,984 --> 00:18:13,780 and he was gonna double his efforts because he was gonna prove he was right. 335 00:18:18,326 --> 00:18:20,912 [Terry] I'd extracted a confession from Son of Sam, 336 00:18:20,995 --> 00:18:22,747 admitting to several accomplices 337 00:18:22,831 --> 00:18:25,875 to one of the most famous murder sprees in history. 338 00:18:25,959 --> 00:18:27,001 [camera clicks] 339 00:18:27,085 --> 00:18:30,713 I had uncovered the existence of a nationwide satanic network 340 00:18:30,797 --> 00:18:34,759 that was seemingly responsible for numerous other mysterious deaths. 341 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:39,764 But still, the wheels of justice refused to turn. 342 00:18:41,307 --> 00:18:44,269 While the authorities were willing to rest on their laurels, 343 00:18:44,352 --> 00:18:45,353 I was not. 344 00:18:46,771 --> 00:18:49,774 The murdered and maimed victims of the Son of Sam, 345 00:18:49,858 --> 00:18:53,278 Sisman, Platzman, Arlis Perry, 346 00:18:53,361 --> 00:18:57,740 and, yes, even the Carr brothers, deserved answers. 347 00:18:58,658 --> 00:19:00,577 Their murderers were still out there, 348 00:19:00,660 --> 00:19:03,454 free to continue with the chaos and the killing. 349 00:19:03,538 --> 00:19:05,665 [siren wailing] 350 00:19:06,583 --> 00:19:08,960 To bring them to justice, I needed help. 351 00:19:09,586 --> 00:19:11,671 I needed allies. 352 00:19:11,754 --> 00:19:14,924 [suspenseful music playing] 353 00:19:21,431 --> 00:19:25,143 [Denaro] When I heard David Berkowitz say, "I did not shoot Carl Denaro," 354 00:19:25,894 --> 00:19:29,981 once I got over that shock, my goal was to get the case reopened. 355 00:19:30,815 --> 00:19:34,068 I wanted to track down other people that were involved 356 00:19:34,152 --> 00:19:37,238 and get closure for myself and a lot of other people. 357 00:19:37,322 --> 00:19:39,324 [reporter] Denaro doesn't like to talk… 358 00:19:39,407 --> 00:19:42,869 I get approached. "You wanna be a part of this show, this interview?" 359 00:19:42,952 --> 00:19:45,663 -Usually it's just a news show. -[TV show theme plays] 360 00:19:46,247 --> 00:19:48,333 This one was Geraldo Rivera. 361 00:19:49,250 --> 00:19:50,126 I said, "Sure." 362 00:19:50,210 --> 00:19:55,298 So he said, "Do you mind getting up to 57th Street and go to Kennedy's? 363 00:19:55,381 --> 00:19:58,051 We'll pick up a car. We'll bring you out to Secaucus." 364 00:19:59,344 --> 00:20:03,014 I walk in, and the bartender greets me like he's an old friend. 365 00:20:04,057 --> 00:20:06,017 He says, "You're Carl, right?" 366 00:20:06,100 --> 00:20:07,060 "Yeah." 367 00:20:07,143 --> 00:20:09,938 And he says, "I have to introduce you to somebody." 368 00:20:10,021 --> 00:20:12,565 I look over, and there's a guy standing next to me. 369 00:20:12,649 --> 00:20:16,444 Sticks his hand out, and he's like, "Carl, meet Maury. Maury, meet Carl." 370 00:20:18,780 --> 00:20:21,199 This guy, he wasn't quite my hero yet, 371 00:20:21,282 --> 00:20:24,869 but after reading his book, I got a ton of questions. 372 00:20:24,953 --> 00:20:28,248 Maury definitely likes a good drink, and we hit it off so well. 373 00:20:28,998 --> 00:20:31,459 He said, "Do you wanna be part of the investigation?" 374 00:20:32,210 --> 00:20:34,045 I said, "Absolutely." 375 00:20:34,128 --> 00:20:37,840 We decided to exchange information and stay in touch. 376 00:20:37,924 --> 00:20:41,386 Of course, Maury doesn't have a cell phone, he's got no computer. 377 00:20:41,469 --> 00:20:43,137 He's got a landline at home. 378 00:20:43,805 --> 00:20:47,350 So he started sending me stuff. 379 00:20:48,476 --> 00:20:49,602 Addresses, names. 380 00:20:49,686 --> 00:20:53,064 "Find out what you can about this address. Who owned this building?" 381 00:20:53,147 --> 00:20:57,443 So, now I went from victim to protégé. 382 00:20:57,527 --> 00:20:58,820 From what I do know, 383 00:20:58,903 --> 00:21:02,865 um, a lot of it being, uh, from Maury Terry's book, 384 00:21:02,949 --> 00:21:05,118 I certainly believe there's a conspiracy. 385 00:21:05,201 --> 00:21:09,831 You'd have to be an idiot not to believe that more than one person did it. 386 00:21:09,914 --> 00:21:14,794 It didn't take long for me to fit right in and be part of Maury's inner circle. 387 00:21:16,671 --> 00:21:21,551 [Ott] Maury collected a lot of friends to help with his investigation. 388 00:21:22,552 --> 00:21:24,554 They'd do some of the legwork for Maury. 389 00:21:24,637 --> 00:21:26,639 [eerie music playing] 390 00:21:28,725 --> 00:21:30,977 [Kevin Murphy] I met Maury Terry at a seminar 391 00:21:31,060 --> 00:21:34,480 for police officers, uh, involving occult crimes. 392 00:21:35,940 --> 00:21:40,111 I was a detective in Yonkers in the special investigations unit. 393 00:21:40,194 --> 00:21:45,575 I was an "expert" on occult and cult-type activity. 394 00:21:45,658 --> 00:21:48,786 David Berkowitz is claiming members of a satanic cult 395 00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:50,997 helped in the murders of six young people. 396 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,917 [Kevin] There was a lot of public  discussion about the Son of Sam murders. 397 00:21:55,418 --> 00:21:58,880 People were scared sometime that this is still happening. 398 00:21:59,589 --> 00:22:02,675 The Yonkers mayor at the time said, "I wanna put this to bed." 399 00:22:02,759 --> 00:22:07,013 He gave me carte blanche to go out and find out what's the truth. 400 00:22:07,722 --> 00:22:10,266 So Maury and I started putting the case together. 401 00:22:13,936 --> 00:22:15,730 [Mounts] My introduction to Terry 402 00:22:15,813 --> 00:22:18,983 was at a place called Kennedy's on West 57th Street. 403 00:22:19,859 --> 00:22:23,613 He says, "You ever heard of Son of Sam?" I said, "Yeah. I've heard of it." 404 00:22:23,696 --> 00:22:25,365 [people conversing] 405 00:22:25,448 --> 00:22:27,909 [Mounts] Terry was a drinker. He wasn't a drunk. 406 00:22:28,493 --> 00:22:32,038 But when he drank, Maury would talk about the case. 407 00:22:32,121 --> 00:22:35,792 Approximately once a month, we'd meet up at Kennedy's on a Friday night. 408 00:22:36,459 --> 00:22:40,963 All his friends and associates helping out, trying to solve this case, 409 00:22:42,090 --> 00:22:43,549 he called "Pine Street Irregulars." 410 00:22:44,634 --> 00:22:47,136 And it was Pine Street, from where Berkowitz lived. 411 00:22:47,887 --> 00:22:52,058 But also, there was some Sherlock Holmes connection to it. 412 00:22:52,767 --> 00:22:56,062 So it was kinda like a cool club to belong to. 413 00:22:56,145 --> 00:22:59,565 [Mounts] Well… [bleeps] …worked  for the sewer department for years. 414 00:22:59,649 --> 00:23:01,651 [Denaro] Once a tunnel rat, always one. 415 00:23:01,734 --> 00:23:06,197 [Mounts] And he's talking about catacombs and tunnels that don't exist on maps. 416 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:10,159 -[Denaro] He would go directly down… -[both] To Devil's Cave. 417 00:23:10,243 --> 00:23:11,869 [Mounts] Runs to the aqueduct. 418 00:23:12,954 --> 00:23:16,040 I was a smoker at the time. We'd sit and smoke cigarettes. 419 00:23:16,124 --> 00:23:17,625 "Look at this, look at that." 420 00:23:17,708 --> 00:23:19,377 Those days were fun days. 421 00:23:20,002 --> 00:23:22,630 I mean, you got a witness who eyeballs Berkowitz 422 00:23:22,713 --> 00:23:25,174 in Untermyer Park with a bunch of people. 423 00:23:25,258 --> 00:23:27,468 -[Denaro] Mm-hmm. -[Mounts] Bingo. 424 00:23:29,345 --> 00:23:32,140 Maury wanted to ensure justice was done. 425 00:23:32,765 --> 00:23:37,478 I believe Maury was onto a greater thing than what anybody knew. 426 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:43,693 [Terry] Our informal force of Pine Street Irregulars kept checking new leads 427 00:23:44,360 --> 00:23:46,446 and investigating every new angle, 428 00:23:47,029 --> 00:23:48,865 as we dedicated our days 429 00:23:48,948 --> 00:23:50,908 to uncovering the truth. 430 00:24:00,418 --> 00:24:04,922 [Kevin] In Yonkers, we started delving into the background of the case. 431 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:10,052 And I uncovered a whole litany of things that needed more investigation. 432 00:24:12,305 --> 00:24:15,808 People said Berkowitz never went out with women. "He never did this." 433 00:24:15,892 --> 00:24:16,934 "He's a loner." 434 00:24:18,644 --> 00:24:19,645 In my investigation, 435 00:24:19,729 --> 00:24:22,940 I found he was somebody  who would be social. A social butterfly. 436 00:24:24,358 --> 00:24:27,153 I looked into the group in Untermyer Park… 437 00:24:28,696 --> 00:24:30,323 and I found his girlfriend. 438 00:24:30,823 --> 00:24:32,617 And, uh, he had many friends. 439 00:24:33,409 --> 00:24:35,286 They all hung out at Untermyer. 440 00:24:35,369 --> 00:24:40,291 They were all partaking in the drugs and the sex and so on. 441 00:24:42,335 --> 00:24:46,672 They called themselves "The Children." That's what the street people called it. 442 00:24:47,548 --> 00:24:48,966 There were older people. 443 00:24:49,717 --> 00:24:51,928 Some of them were just bad actors. 444 00:24:53,721 --> 00:24:55,056 We had one fellow 445 00:24:55,139 --> 00:24:58,434 who lived at the Pine Street address where Berkowitz lived. 446 00:24:59,185 --> 00:25:00,394 He knew the Carrs. 447 00:25:01,354 --> 00:25:04,190 And he was driving a yellow Volkswagen. 448 00:25:04,273 --> 00:25:07,193 Reportedly, someone saw and chased a yellow Volkswagen 449 00:25:07,276 --> 00:25:09,487 not far from where Moskowitz was murdered. 450 00:25:09,570 --> 00:25:11,572 David Berkowitz drove a Ford. 451 00:25:12,698 --> 00:25:15,034 I was wondering if he had any connection 452 00:25:15,117 --> 00:25:17,537 and if he could be brought in for an interview. 453 00:25:18,579 --> 00:25:20,498 And I finally tracked him down, 454 00:25:20,581 --> 00:25:21,958 and, uh, I spoke to him. 455 00:25:22,583 --> 00:25:24,210 He was totally paranoid. 456 00:25:24,293 --> 00:25:26,295 He said, "There were people after me." 457 00:25:26,963 --> 00:25:30,424 He was terrified that if he opened his mouth, he was gonna get killed. 458 00:25:33,719 --> 00:25:35,930 A couple of days later, he killed himself. 459 00:25:40,226 --> 00:25:41,811 [Zeman] You interview any others? 460 00:25:41,894 --> 00:25:43,729 Most of them lawyered up right away. 461 00:25:44,730 --> 00:25:45,982 They wouldn't talk to me. 462 00:25:46,482 --> 00:25:49,026 Nobody wanted to be implicated in this case. 463 00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:55,074 But we did come across this one person, John Paul. 464 00:25:58,244 --> 00:26:00,663 [Paul] At the time, I was a high school freshman. 465 00:26:00,746 --> 00:26:05,209 And early on, I had been approached by John Carr. 466 00:26:05,793 --> 00:26:10,047 I think it was just a game in the beginning, 467 00:26:10,131 --> 00:26:12,091 with druid ceremonies and whatever. 468 00:26:12,174 --> 00:26:14,844 There wasn't anything that was that serious, okay? 469 00:26:15,344 --> 00:26:19,765 Somewhere along the line, somebody got to the head of this thing 470 00:26:19,849 --> 00:26:22,393 and took it in a completely different direction. 471 00:26:23,769 --> 00:26:25,187 That was Untermyer Park. 472 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:30,484 There had to be somewhere between 30 or 40 people at that initiation. 473 00:26:31,611 --> 00:26:35,072 They started chanting very slowly 474 00:26:35,156 --> 00:26:38,451 and, uh, increased in intensity. 475 00:26:39,702 --> 00:26:43,372 I do remember being brought in front of this… 476 00:26:43,456 --> 00:26:47,793 very cold, either marble or whatever, platform, 477 00:26:48,711 --> 00:26:53,883 and we had heard dogs getting killed. 478 00:26:53,966 --> 00:26:58,346 It's one of the most horrible things I've ever heard. I'll never forget it. 479 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,225 I'm kinda hard to press what was fact and what was fiction. 480 00:27:04,101 --> 00:27:07,104 He claimed to be part of the group as a kid. 481 00:27:07,688 --> 00:27:11,025 Apparently, some of them were involved with pornography. 482 00:27:12,318 --> 00:27:15,988 And Maury started looking into the pornography angle. 483 00:27:17,823 --> 00:27:20,034 [Terry] Through numerous off-the-record interviews, 484 00:27:20,117 --> 00:27:22,953 we were able to corroborate the existence of The Children 485 00:27:23,454 --> 00:27:27,208 and uncovered members associated with pornography and the drug trade. 486 00:27:29,919 --> 00:27:32,296 I couldn't help but think of Ron Sisman, 487 00:27:32,963 --> 00:27:36,175 the photographer who had allegedly been killed by the cult. 488 00:27:39,136 --> 00:27:43,432 [Mounts] When I was working with Terry, I was selected for the cold case squad. 489 00:27:43,516 --> 00:27:47,353 Well, one of the first cases that I asked to take a look at 490 00:27:47,436 --> 00:27:51,148 was the Ron Sisman and Elizabeth Platzman double homicide 491 00:27:51,232 --> 00:27:53,192 from Halloween night, 1981. 492 00:27:55,111 --> 00:27:57,196 [siren wailing] 493 00:28:01,033 --> 00:28:04,662 Initial investigation by the precinct detectives went nowhere. 494 00:28:05,204 --> 00:28:06,580 The case remained unsolved. 495 00:28:07,540 --> 00:28:10,626 But I wanted to find out who killed these two people. 496 00:28:12,086 --> 00:28:17,091 Maury Terry believed that they were killed over a snuff film, 497 00:28:18,426 --> 00:28:21,303 a film of Stacy Moskowitz's homicide. 498 00:28:22,096 --> 00:28:25,599 Maury told me that Ron Sisman was in a van that night, 499 00:28:26,100 --> 00:28:28,894 been parked within a distance where he could see 500 00:28:29,395 --> 00:28:31,230 the actual homicide take place. 501 00:28:32,857 --> 00:28:34,942 It was right under a street light. 502 00:28:36,026 --> 00:28:42,074 And he filmed the actual shooting of Stacy Moskowitz and Robert Violante 503 00:28:42,158 --> 00:28:43,826 in their vehicle in Brooklyn. 504 00:28:45,536 --> 00:28:48,831 And so basically, we went and talked to Sisman's family. 505 00:28:50,124 --> 00:28:51,876 Found out Ron Sisman owned a van. 506 00:28:54,128 --> 00:28:58,466 And Sisman's family told us that he had borrowed a Betamax 507 00:28:58,549 --> 00:29:01,010 to film his girlfriends in the apartment. 508 00:29:02,303 --> 00:29:04,847 That was corroborated through the investigation. 509 00:29:05,347 --> 00:29:09,226 So he could have very easily shot a snuff film if he was so inclined. 510 00:29:09,310 --> 00:29:12,688 [suspenseful music playing] 511 00:29:13,856 --> 00:29:17,860 [Terry] Though I now had additional  evidence to support the snuff film theory, 512 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,154 I would soon find an informant 513 00:29:20,237 --> 00:29:22,948 that would introduce me to a far darker truth. 514 00:29:29,246 --> 00:29:32,708 [Mounts] Maury had told me about a guy by the name of Jesse Turner. 515 00:29:33,793 --> 00:29:37,671 Jesse Turner had written to Maury Terry a letter from prison. 516 00:29:39,298 --> 00:29:43,803 And he said that he had information on the Sisman-Platzman homicide. 517 00:29:45,596 --> 00:29:48,432 So we decided we were gonna go talk to Jesse Turner 518 00:29:48,516 --> 00:29:51,018 down at the federal prison in Talladega, Alabama. 519 00:29:52,311 --> 00:29:54,647 [Turner] You'd never heard my name before? 520 00:29:54,730 --> 00:29:57,191 [Terry] I never heard your name until your letter 521 00:29:57,274 --> 00:30:00,778 that I got here yesterday about the Sisman case. 522 00:30:01,695 --> 00:30:04,824 We sat down and spent two hours with him on a Sunday morning. 523 00:30:06,575 --> 00:30:10,663 He told us that he was a member of The Process Church of the Final Judgement. 524 00:30:10,746 --> 00:30:12,832 [Turner] I'd meet with them occasionally. 525 00:30:12,915 --> 00:30:16,544 -[Terry] By "them," who do you mean? -[Turner] The Process. 526 00:30:17,336 --> 00:30:21,340 When you're 16, 17, 18 years old, you're pretty much alone, you know? 527 00:30:21,423 --> 00:30:24,218 And somebody makes you feel important, man. 528 00:30:24,301 --> 00:30:25,886 [Terry] I understand. I do. 529 00:30:25,970 --> 00:30:29,265 -[Turner] They can do whatever they want. -[Terry] I really do. 530 00:30:30,683 --> 00:30:36,730 He advised us that Ron Sisman and Elizabeth Platzman were killed 531 00:30:36,814 --> 00:30:38,482 by the cult itself. 532 00:30:39,191 --> 00:30:41,235 [Turner] The Sisman-Platzman killing, 533 00:30:41,318 --> 00:30:45,030 this is some fuckin' sick, demented fuckin' Easter egg hunt. 534 00:30:45,114 --> 00:30:47,241 They were searching for snuff films. 535 00:30:48,367 --> 00:30:52,079 Hearing this from a jailbird, you take it with a couple grains of salt, 536 00:30:52,162 --> 00:30:54,665 but this is what Maury had talked about previously. 537 00:30:55,291 --> 00:30:56,709 They wanted that snuff film. 538 00:30:57,334 --> 00:30:59,461 The film was in Ron's apartment. 539 00:30:59,545 --> 00:31:02,464 The apartment looked like it had been turned around 540 00:31:02,548 --> 00:31:04,967 to find something they were looking for. 541 00:31:05,050 --> 00:31:06,010 And he said, 542 00:31:06,093 --> 00:31:10,556 the cult would use a film like that to bring about more chaos. 543 00:31:10,639 --> 00:31:12,516 And that's what the cult was about. 544 00:31:13,559 --> 00:31:17,229 [Turner] That was all part of, like, apocalyptic trials, you know? 545 00:31:17,313 --> 00:31:22,610 Intensifying acts of random, organized violence. 546 00:31:23,444 --> 00:31:25,029 [Terry] A form of terrorism. 547 00:31:25,112 --> 00:31:26,322 [Turner] Yeah, exactly. 548 00:31:27,948 --> 00:31:30,993 So now things start making a little more sense. 549 00:31:32,328 --> 00:31:36,457 Almost everyone in those crimes, Maury Terry had investigated. 550 00:31:36,540 --> 00:31:40,210 There's ties to every last one of them into the Process Church. 551 00:31:41,170 --> 00:31:45,090 We know David Berkowitz was meeting people up in Untermyer Park 552 00:31:45,174 --> 00:31:48,886 that were involved and went to the Church in Manhattan. 553 00:31:50,387 --> 00:31:53,474 [Turner] There are many, many degrees of the Church, 554 00:31:53,557 --> 00:31:56,477 and there are people from the streets 555 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,938 who were the blood and the guts of the movement, 556 00:31:59,021 --> 00:32:01,523 the real fuckin' heart and soul of the movement. 557 00:32:02,942 --> 00:32:05,778 [Mounts] That's how Berkowitz got involved with them. 558 00:32:05,861 --> 00:32:07,780 They offered him a belief system. 559 00:32:07,863 --> 00:32:10,449 That's how he became their trigger man to help them 560 00:32:10,532 --> 00:32:11,784 do these things. 561 00:32:11,867 --> 00:32:15,454 I don't think David Berkowitz ever thought he'd end up killing somebody, 562 00:32:15,537 --> 00:32:18,499 but once you're in, those things kinda happen. 563 00:32:21,543 --> 00:32:24,046 [Terry] In the four years since my interview with Berkowitz, 564 00:32:24,129 --> 00:32:26,465 I had tracked down every lead I could. 565 00:32:29,051 --> 00:32:32,346 And now I understood the clues in David's letters 566 00:32:32,429 --> 00:32:34,640 or in his veiled on-camera responses. 567 00:32:34,723 --> 00:32:35,849 No. 568 00:32:37,017 --> 00:32:38,811 I had delved into The Children 569 00:32:38,894 --> 00:32:41,397 and uncovered a never-ending web of murders 570 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,482 that stretched across the country. 571 00:32:43,565 --> 00:32:47,319 [atmospheric music playing] 572 00:32:47,403 --> 00:32:50,990 [Terry] It had been a difficult road, investigating such heinous crimes, 573 00:32:52,074 --> 00:32:54,493 and I had sacrificed so much. 574 00:32:56,537 --> 00:32:58,622 But now it was time to end it, 575 00:32:59,123 --> 00:33:00,374 once and for all. 576 00:33:01,917 --> 00:33:03,293 I had the facts, 577 00:33:03,377 --> 00:33:08,674 but I still needed the irrefutable proof that would finally force the NYPD to act, 578 00:33:09,925 --> 00:33:12,094 so that I could find peace. 579 00:33:12,803 --> 00:33:16,890 And so, armed with my camera, I returned to David. 580 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,692 Tonight on Eyewitness News, a family in Queens is torn apart… 581 00:33:26,775 --> 00:33:32,573 At the time, I was working at Channel 7, ABC in New York as a local reporter. 582 00:33:33,115 --> 00:33:37,327 I've covered crime for 35 years in New York City, 583 00:33:38,162 --> 00:33:39,705 some of the biggest cases. 584 00:33:41,665 --> 00:33:44,251 I know the NYPD very well. 585 00:33:45,252 --> 00:33:47,463 I know how things work on the street. 586 00:33:49,298 --> 00:33:53,552 I can't tell you how many wrongful conviction cases I have been involved with 587 00:33:53,635 --> 00:33:58,265 where the NYPD coerced witnesses, coerced suspects, 588 00:33:58,348 --> 00:34:00,726 made up confessions, and lied. 589 00:34:00,809 --> 00:34:03,520 The most notorious case in New York crime… 590 00:34:03,604 --> 00:34:06,982 Maury Terry knew my work, and he approached me. 591 00:34:07,858 --> 00:34:12,154 I could have dismissed Maury in a second, as I have many people. 592 00:34:13,155 --> 00:34:15,783 Maury was an outsider and never could get in. 593 00:34:16,909 --> 00:34:19,286 But his information was solid. 594 00:34:20,162 --> 00:34:24,249 The connections that he made about the park in Yonkers. 595 00:34:24,333 --> 00:34:28,712 The group often met here in Untermyer Park in the mid-1970s. 596 00:34:29,630 --> 00:34:31,548 And he could get people to talk. 597 00:34:31,632 --> 00:34:36,178 He had Berkowitz's ear. He was basically his gatekeeper. 598 00:34:36,261 --> 00:34:38,514 [cameraman] Let me know when you go to speed. 599 00:34:39,139 --> 00:34:43,477 [Wallace] At the time, David Berkowitz was making sensational claims 600 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,395 that he didn't act alone. 601 00:34:45,479 --> 00:34:48,732 -That's what interested me. -[cameraman] We are rolling on… 602 00:34:48,816 --> 00:34:52,611 Were there other people? And what about the police investigation? 603 00:34:52,694 --> 00:34:53,946 [cameraman] Camera ready? 604 00:34:54,780 --> 00:34:56,824 [Wallace] He was a big get. 605 00:34:56,907 --> 00:34:59,368 He was the interview  that everybody wanted. 606 00:35:02,037 --> 00:35:04,331 So we put this series together, 607 00:35:04,414 --> 00:35:08,418 and we agreed to have Maury as the producer of the interview. 608 00:35:08,502 --> 00:35:11,713 [Berkowitz] What's this gonna be like? Same as Inside Edition? 609 00:35:11,797 --> 00:35:14,967 Or are you gonna make just one hour-long block out of it? 610 00:35:15,717 --> 00:35:17,678 -Or two. -Two? That's a lot. 611 00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:21,306 That's a lot, because that's gonna mean a lot of… 612 00:35:22,182 --> 00:35:23,767 talking about a lot of stuff. 613 00:35:23,851 --> 00:35:29,481 -There's a lot of corroboration out there. -But if it's too long, you lose people. 614 00:35:29,565 --> 00:35:31,900 People don't have the same interest you do. 615 00:35:32,651 --> 00:35:34,111 You know, if it's too long. 616 00:35:34,194 --> 00:35:38,991 You know, it's just not really very joyous talking about this stuff. 617 00:35:39,074 --> 00:35:40,909 [Wallace] But in the interview, 618 00:35:40,993 --> 00:35:47,124 what became clear to me was that Maury Terry had his own agenda. 619 00:35:47,207 --> 00:35:49,418 [Terry] Let's talk  about the people involved 620 00:35:49,501 --> 00:35:52,880 in the .44 shooting of Stacy Moskowitz and Robert Violante. 621 00:35:54,381 --> 00:35:57,301 There was a witness who saw 622 00:35:58,468 --> 00:36:00,429 a reddish or rust-colored van 623 00:36:01,180 --> 00:36:03,974 parked across the street from the victim's car 624 00:36:04,057 --> 00:36:05,267 and slightly behind it. 625 00:36:06,393 --> 00:36:08,395 Is that van relevant to this case? 626 00:36:09,229 --> 00:36:10,731 Yeah, it was part of a… 627 00:36:12,232 --> 00:36:13,483 group. 628 00:36:13,567 --> 00:36:18,155 I have information which holds that there were three individuals in that van. 629 00:36:18,238 --> 00:36:19,198 Is that correct? 630 00:36:19,823 --> 00:36:22,326 Might have been three.  [whispers] Can't remember. 631 00:36:22,409 --> 00:36:23,744 Why was the van there? 632 00:36:25,495 --> 00:36:27,039 Well, uh… 633 00:36:27,623 --> 00:36:30,083 there was some filming going on. 634 00:36:31,919 --> 00:36:36,715 Somebody wanted to film it for somebody else or, uh, whatever… 635 00:36:39,051 --> 00:36:42,763 Are you stating to me, then, that they made a snuff film, 636 00:36:43,347 --> 00:36:46,892 from that van, of the shooting of Stacy Moskowitz and Robert Violante? 637 00:36:47,476 --> 00:36:49,478 Maybe that's what you can call it. 638 00:36:51,104 --> 00:36:55,484 Is it so that another of the individuals in that van, 639 00:36:56,735 --> 00:36:59,655 actually running the camera most likely, 640 00:37:00,155 --> 00:37:01,698 was named Ronald Sisman? 641 00:37:02,282 --> 00:37:03,116 Yeah. 642 00:37:04,034 --> 00:37:05,327 Yeah, I knew him. 643 00:37:05,410 --> 00:37:07,371 And he was in the van that night? 644 00:37:07,454 --> 00:37:10,207 Yeah. He wanted to do something, filming, you know. 645 00:37:10,290 --> 00:37:12,000 [Wallace] From the very beginning, 646 00:37:12,084 --> 00:37:15,879 it was difficult to know what was happening in the interview. 647 00:37:15,963 --> 00:37:20,133 I didn't see David Berkowitz with a lot of details about what happened. 648 00:37:20,801 --> 00:37:23,553 [Darwen] Berkowitz was reticent to talk about things. 649 00:37:23,637 --> 00:37:24,680 I don't know why. 650 00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:26,974 He didn't wanna go there. 651 00:37:27,057 --> 00:37:30,644 Maybe he was worried about snitching on other people in the crime, 652 00:37:30,727 --> 00:37:32,271 or he didn't wanna relive it. 653 00:37:33,397 --> 00:37:35,357 But Maury wanted the truth out of him. 654 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:40,946 Was this the cult group itself that was responsible for the Son of Sam murders? 655 00:37:41,029 --> 00:37:43,115 Or was there something else that went on? 656 00:37:43,198 --> 00:37:44,157 Uh… 657 00:37:44,241 --> 00:37:47,577 There was another group, a more elite group, 658 00:37:47,661 --> 00:37:51,164 hidden into it and woven into it, you know? 659 00:37:51,248 --> 00:37:54,501 The Process? You're talking about the Process cult from Britain? 660 00:37:55,085 --> 00:37:56,670 [Berkowitz] Yes. Right. Right. 661 00:37:57,629 --> 00:38:01,967 You're saying, then, and this is really astounding, 662 00:38:02,467 --> 00:38:05,929 that Process leaders were among those gathered at the time 663 00:38:06,013 --> 00:38:09,891 when the plans were put into effect to commit the .44 caliber shootings? 664 00:38:11,727 --> 00:38:12,561 Yeah. 665 00:38:13,812 --> 00:38:16,857 He was vague about this whole thing about the Process Church, 666 00:38:17,649 --> 00:38:18,900 who the players were. 667 00:38:19,401 --> 00:38:22,696 You know, there's some suggestive interviewing going on. 668 00:38:22,779 --> 00:38:26,742 There have been stories about a certain infamous individual… 669 00:38:29,953 --> 00:38:33,081 Charles Manson, that he had been tied to Process. 670 00:38:33,707 --> 00:38:37,252 Did Process members or leaders ever speak about Manson to you 671 00:38:37,753 --> 00:38:40,088 -or to you and others in your group? -Well… 672 00:38:40,172 --> 00:38:43,800 I'd heard, uh,  about some involvement, yeah. 673 00:38:44,551 --> 00:38:51,516 I'm not sure whether Berkowitz was just giving in to Maury Terry's narrative. 674 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,437 Do you recall the case of a young woman named Arlis Perry? 675 00:38:56,646 --> 00:38:57,481 Yes. 676 00:39:00,942 --> 00:39:05,155 You sent, in writing, quite a number of years ago, 677 00:39:05,238 --> 00:39:08,325 "Hunted, stalked, and slain. Followed to California." 678 00:39:10,994 --> 00:39:13,455 Is that what you'd heard happened to Arlis Perry? 679 00:39:13,955 --> 00:39:15,457 Yeah. Right. Yeah. 680 00:39:16,083 --> 00:39:20,295 [Wallace] I remember thinking, "He's not telling the truth." 681 00:39:21,171 --> 00:39:24,883 I just didn't buy these other theories. 682 00:39:25,884 --> 00:39:29,513 [Zuckerman] Whatever he was saying, it wasn't of any real value. It was… 683 00:39:29,596 --> 00:39:32,099 He was telling Maury what Maury wanted to hear. 684 00:39:32,182 --> 00:39:36,061 Now, if Process exists today, which it does, 685 00:39:36,144 --> 00:39:39,648 should society be worried about people like this Process group? 686 00:39:39,731 --> 00:39:43,318 [Darwen] Maury was aggressive to the point where I thought he was being 687 00:39:43,402 --> 00:39:45,862 a bit too much like a cop, maybe freak him out. 688 00:39:45,946 --> 00:39:48,448 [Terry] What other kinds of crimes did they commit? 689 00:39:49,157 --> 00:39:53,870 Well, heavy drug trafficking and, uh, other things involving children. 690 00:39:53,954 --> 00:39:55,956 Involving children. What do you mean? 691 00:39:56,039 --> 00:39:58,166 What kind of business were they in? 692 00:39:58,250 --> 00:40:01,420 [Darwen] He kept pushing him. He kept pushing, pushing, pushing. 693 00:40:01,503 --> 00:40:04,631 It started to look like an interrogation at one point. 694 00:40:04,714 --> 00:40:06,633 I thought it hurt his credibility. 695 00:40:06,716 --> 00:40:09,886 You're telling me the Process was producing child pornography? 696 00:40:09,970 --> 00:40:12,681 Is that what you're saying? And providing children? 697 00:40:12,764 --> 00:40:16,810 I love him, but he looked frickin' crazy. You know? 698 00:40:16,893 --> 00:40:19,271 [Terry] Let's talk about the other activities-- 699 00:40:19,354 --> 00:40:21,398 [producer] This is a good time to break. 700 00:40:22,232 --> 00:40:24,943 [Terry] What other crimes did they commit? 701 00:40:25,026 --> 00:40:27,154 [producer] I let it go as long as I could. 702 00:40:27,237 --> 00:40:28,447 -Okay. -You know, 703 00:40:28,530 --> 00:40:31,867 I can't be rehashing this stuff all the time. It's too painful. 704 00:40:31,950 --> 00:40:33,452 It's driving me… It's like… 705 00:40:33,535 --> 00:40:36,663 Maury was always trying to somehow get acceptance. 706 00:40:37,372 --> 00:40:39,958 And he thought that this interview, 707 00:40:40,041 --> 00:40:45,172 if everybody latched onto his theory about a cult being involved, 708 00:40:45,839 --> 00:40:49,259 that would somehow parlay into journalistic credibility. 709 00:40:50,927 --> 00:40:54,055 With the arrest of the 24-year-old Yonkers postal worker, 710 00:40:54,139 --> 00:40:56,892 police quickly closed the most sensational case 711 00:40:56,975 --> 00:40:58,935 in New York City crime history. 712 00:40:59,019 --> 00:41:02,314 But did they solve it? Not according to David Berkowitz. 713 00:41:02,397 --> 00:41:04,441 The Son of Sam speaks. 714 00:41:06,651 --> 00:41:08,612 When we put this series together, 715 00:41:08,695 --> 00:41:12,616 the overwhelming reaction that I had was that people said, 716 00:41:13,533 --> 00:41:14,451 "Hmm. 717 00:41:14,534 --> 00:41:16,077 That's a possibility." 718 00:41:16,161 --> 00:41:17,454 Berkowitz offers new… 719 00:41:17,537 --> 00:41:20,582 But it wasn't what Maury wanted. 720 00:41:21,082 --> 00:41:24,920 It didn't change this narrative about David Berkowitz. 721 00:41:25,754 --> 00:41:28,381 And then it was over and done with. 722 00:41:30,050 --> 00:41:34,179 But I think Maury was obsessed with this case. 723 00:41:34,846 --> 00:41:39,351 People who are obsessed with cases don't want to see reality, 724 00:41:39,434 --> 00:41:42,145 and sometimes the truth smacks you in the face, 725 00:41:42,229 --> 00:41:43,647 and you have to say, 726 00:41:43,730 --> 00:41:46,441 "It wasn't what I thought, and I need to back off." 727 00:41:46,525 --> 00:41:49,402 [somber music playing] 728 00:41:53,198 --> 00:41:57,494 [Kevin] Maury was a very thick person. He did not take no for an answer. 729 00:41:59,079 --> 00:42:03,625 And in 1998, two years into my investigation, 730 00:42:03,708 --> 00:42:04,918 I wrote up the report, 731 00:42:05,001 --> 00:42:06,878 wrote up a summary, flow charts, 732 00:42:07,963 --> 00:42:11,967 and I did a presentation to the district attorney's office in Queens. 733 00:42:12,676 --> 00:42:14,719 And we had all the New York City brass, 734 00:42:16,096 --> 00:42:19,015 the district attorney, the New York City police department. 735 00:42:19,558 --> 00:42:21,268 I didn't know half the people. 736 00:42:24,229 --> 00:42:25,939 Laid out all the information. 737 00:42:26,690 --> 00:42:28,525 I found, during the investigation, 738 00:42:29,109 --> 00:42:31,152 that there were at least five different people 739 00:42:31,236 --> 00:42:32,779 involved in the shootings. 740 00:42:32,862 --> 00:42:34,281 That came from eyewitnesses. 741 00:42:35,323 --> 00:42:37,450 Told 'em who the suspects were. 742 00:42:37,534 --> 00:42:41,746 We talked about the Process Church. You could just follow the evidence. 743 00:42:42,414 --> 00:42:45,250 All I was asking for was, uh, resources. 744 00:42:47,002 --> 00:42:50,380 And after an hour-and-a-half presentation, they said, 745 00:42:50,964 --> 00:42:53,383 "Thank you very much. We'll be in touch." 746 00:42:55,010 --> 00:42:56,803 And I never heard again from them. 747 00:42:58,972 --> 00:43:02,642 I wrote a report on what information I had 748 00:43:02,726 --> 00:43:06,896 as far as David Berkowitz being involved with the Process Church. 749 00:43:09,190 --> 00:43:11,401 Gave it to the Southern District of New York. 750 00:43:11,484 --> 00:43:13,528 Gave it to the New York City Police. 751 00:43:13,612 --> 00:43:16,197 Explained everything, how this was all put together. 752 00:43:16,281 --> 00:43:19,326 First thing that happened is they took it to Joe Borrelli. 753 00:43:21,328 --> 00:43:25,123 And within 24 to 48 hours, 754 00:43:25,206 --> 00:43:28,001 I was told, "Get that case closed. 755 00:43:28,752 --> 00:43:31,171 Get it out of the office. It's done." 756 00:43:33,256 --> 00:43:36,384 [Kevin] You know, I don't want to besmirch the NYPD, 757 00:43:36,468 --> 00:43:38,386 but they don't play well with others. 758 00:43:40,263 --> 00:43:43,642 I was never given access to the New York City police records 759 00:43:43,725 --> 00:43:45,060 that I requested. 760 00:43:45,143 --> 00:43:46,603 I had zero forensics. 761 00:43:46,686 --> 00:43:48,938 I had zero from the crime scene. 762 00:43:50,023 --> 00:43:51,900 I was handicapped from the beginning. 763 00:43:53,568 --> 00:43:54,819 It was all political. 764 00:43:56,154 --> 00:43:58,823 A lot of people made their bones on this case. 765 00:43:59,449 --> 00:44:03,411 And, uh, you know, politics is politics. 766 00:44:03,495 --> 00:44:05,330 [dramatic music playing] 767 00:44:05,413 --> 00:44:06,873 And that was the end of it. 768 00:44:13,797 --> 00:44:15,465 [Mounts] Maury was very upset. 769 00:44:16,383 --> 00:44:18,551 There was days that he wouldn't speak to me. 770 00:44:18,635 --> 00:44:20,845 There was days he would send me an email, 771 00:44:21,346 --> 00:44:24,808 "Why don't you go back and really solve the case this time?" 772 00:44:26,935 --> 00:44:28,937 It frustrated the hell out of him 773 00:44:29,020 --> 00:44:31,481 that he couldn't get to the bottom of the story 774 00:44:31,564 --> 00:44:34,317 and that nobody else was interested in it. 775 00:44:36,152 --> 00:44:38,780 He said, "I laid it out there for everyone to see. 776 00:44:39,864 --> 00:44:42,325 And no one saw it, and no one cares about it." 777 00:44:42,409 --> 00:44:43,326 That hurt him. 778 00:44:44,411 --> 00:44:48,373 And the NYPD just made everyone look like a fool, 779 00:44:48,456 --> 00:44:51,710 that, you know, we're just crazy conspiracy theorists. 780 00:44:51,793 --> 00:44:55,171 He did what he did because he became involved with a satanic cult, 781 00:44:55,255 --> 00:44:58,091 and the evidence to that effect is overwhelming. 782 00:44:58,174 --> 00:45:01,761 That's not just me speaking, nor is that just David Berkowitz speaking. 783 00:45:01,845 --> 00:45:05,432 Maury thought that if these people continued to do what they were doing, 784 00:45:05,515 --> 00:45:07,350 other people were gonna be hurt. 785 00:45:07,434 --> 00:45:09,811 And the police had no desire to pick it up. 786 00:45:10,478 --> 00:45:12,981 He was not given the credibility he deserved. 787 00:45:13,481 --> 00:45:15,900 He was called a crackpot. 788 00:45:15,984 --> 00:45:19,779 I think we've got a psychopathic killer who is being very manipulative, 789 00:45:19,863 --> 00:45:22,282 who's playing Mr. Terry and others like a violin, 790 00:45:22,365 --> 00:45:24,367 selling him this really ludicrous story. 791 00:45:24,451 --> 00:45:27,245 I'm gonna respond to that with one word. Evidence. 792 00:45:27,328 --> 00:45:30,081 Look it up, know it, and then make that statement. 793 00:45:30,165 --> 00:45:33,626 Until then, Greg, I think you're out of your league on this case. 794 00:45:33,710 --> 00:45:36,504 You're out of your league, dealing with serial killers. 795 00:45:36,588 --> 00:45:39,716 I've dealt with serial killers for a career, sir, 796 00:45:39,799 --> 00:45:41,593 and this doesn't happen this way. 797 00:45:41,676 --> 00:45:43,887 [Wallace] Maury went off the rails a bit. 798 00:45:43,970 --> 00:45:47,056 And he would try to float things by me, 799 00:45:47,140 --> 00:45:50,059 and I just wasn't going to bite. 800 00:45:50,143 --> 00:45:52,729 [woman] I'm afraid to go out or to do anything. 801 00:45:52,812 --> 00:45:56,191 [reporter] In a reign of terror, he had shot 13 and murdered six, 802 00:45:56,274 --> 00:45:57,525 all young lovers. 803 00:45:57,609 --> 00:45:59,402 [Ott] He had so much information. 804 00:46:00,862 --> 00:46:04,073 So many variables of things that he was working on. 805 00:46:04,157 --> 00:46:08,286 [reporter] Five members of a so-called religious cult, including Charles Manson… 806 00:46:08,369 --> 00:46:10,121 [Ott] Every time you turned around, 807 00:46:10,205 --> 00:46:15,210 there was another avenue to take and another thread to follow. 808 00:46:15,293 --> 00:46:16,753 [reporter] In a wild party 809 00:46:16,836 --> 00:46:20,256 at the 72-room Southampton mansion of producer Roy Radin… 810 00:46:21,090 --> 00:46:25,553 Maury was putting too much value in the cult aspect of it. 811 00:46:26,221 --> 00:46:29,641 -He started to see it all over. -[preacher] We thank you for everything. 812 00:46:29,724 --> 00:46:31,434 [Kevin] For example, Arlis Perry. 813 00:46:31,518 --> 00:46:34,145 [reporter] Two candles used to assault her sexually. 814 00:46:34,229 --> 00:46:37,315 He said, "My suspect is the security guard. 815 00:46:38,191 --> 00:46:41,027 The security guard had to be involved with the cult. 816 00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:43,863 He's the one that killed her." 817 00:46:45,657 --> 00:46:48,952 But he couldn't give me specifics. There was no evidence. 818 00:46:50,036 --> 00:46:51,496 It was so convoluted. 819 00:46:52,455 --> 00:46:56,292 [Zuckerman] Some of the connections, I felt, were theories. 820 00:46:56,376 --> 00:46:58,336 Maury would take them and run with them. 821 00:46:59,671 --> 00:47:02,924 He became very righteous about attacking evil. 822 00:47:03,925 --> 00:47:06,052 First it was satanic cults. 823 00:47:06,135 --> 00:47:09,097 And that led to pedophiles, 824 00:47:09,180 --> 00:47:10,306 child molesters. 825 00:47:10,974 --> 00:47:12,350 It became a web. 826 00:47:12,976 --> 00:47:15,603 And that web kept getting bigger and bigger. 827 00:47:15,687 --> 00:47:18,273 Knitted together by the occult. 828 00:47:19,566 --> 00:47:22,735 He would associate people with the case, 829 00:47:22,819 --> 00:47:27,907 and he would go from "A knew B. Therefore, he must know C and D." 830 00:47:29,284 --> 00:47:31,202 Evil people do evil things. 831 00:47:31,286 --> 00:47:34,414 It has nothing to do with, uh, some satanic force. 832 00:47:35,248 --> 00:47:37,000 [Denaro] He was all over the place. 833 00:47:37,083 --> 00:47:40,545 But if you didn't agree with him, you know, you're dead. 834 00:47:41,504 --> 00:47:43,965 I used to say, "Maury, this isn't your--" 835 00:47:44,048 --> 00:47:47,010 "Yes, it is my case." And I said, "It's my case." 836 00:47:47,093 --> 00:47:50,096 He says, "What did you do?" "I got shot in the head." 837 00:47:50,179 --> 00:47:52,932 [Turner] Acts of random  organized violence. 838 00:47:53,016 --> 00:47:56,728 At times I was concerned about him, but there was no pulling Maury off it. 839 00:47:56,811 --> 00:47:59,772 [Turner] The real fuckin' heart and soul of the movement. 840 00:47:59,856 --> 00:48:01,858 [Ott] Maury became a two-fisted drinker. 841 00:48:02,525 --> 00:48:05,236 I used to keep up with him, but I couldn't anymore. 842 00:48:05,820 --> 00:48:07,655 Became a two-pack-a-day smoker. 843 00:48:08,156 --> 00:48:11,701 [Kevin] Lost a lot of friends and kept to himself. 844 00:48:11,784 --> 00:48:13,953 Over 1 million Satanists in this country. 845 00:48:14,037 --> 00:48:16,080 [Zuckerman] He was headed towards obsession. 846 00:48:16,164 --> 00:48:18,291 [Berkowitz] Satan was reaching out to me. 847 00:48:18,374 --> 00:48:19,542 It became debilitating. 848 00:48:20,293 --> 00:48:23,463 [Berkowitz] A force was pulling me  outside, into the night. 849 00:48:23,546 --> 00:48:26,174 -[reporter] Religious cult. -Screams, "God, help me." 850 00:48:26,257 --> 00:48:28,635 [man] This stuff is not science fiction. 851 00:48:28,718 --> 00:48:29,677 It's true. 852 00:48:29,761 --> 00:48:31,846 [intense music swelling] 853 00:48:37,852 --> 00:48:41,356 [Terry] "Maury, the public will never,  ever truly believe you, 854 00:48:41,940 --> 00:48:46,486 no matter how well your evidence is presented." 855 00:48:51,950 --> 00:48:54,911 [somber music playing] 856 00:48:55,620 --> 00:48:56,871 [dog barking] 857 00:48:59,749 --> 00:49:01,751 [Murphy] When you put your heart into it, 858 00:49:01,834 --> 00:49:04,879 there is a danger of getting very consumed with a story. 859 00:49:06,339 --> 00:49:11,302 You know, you're looking into a dark world where evil exists. 860 00:49:11,970 --> 00:49:14,138 And you don't understand why it exists. 861 00:49:15,682 --> 00:49:18,685 So you wanna delve into, "Where does the darkness come from?" 862 00:49:20,645 --> 00:49:22,522 Then sometimes, you go over the line. 863 00:49:23,940 --> 00:49:28,486 Maury really felt that he had the truth. He tried to do the best job he could. 864 00:49:29,195 --> 00:49:31,406 Then, maybe, he didn't know how to come back. 865 00:49:32,824 --> 00:49:36,494 [Mounts] Maury just… He couldn't come to the final conclusion, you know? 866 00:49:36,577 --> 00:49:38,955 Got to third base, but never got that home run. 867 00:49:40,623 --> 00:49:43,751 He could not accept that, no matter what you do, 868 00:49:44,460 --> 00:49:45,837 people are not gonna believe it. 869 00:49:46,421 --> 00:49:47,964 No matter how hard he tried. 870 00:49:50,633 --> 00:49:54,220 In 2010, when I was living up in New York, 871 00:49:55,013 --> 00:49:57,890 I met him at Walgreens, and… 872 00:49:57,974 --> 00:49:59,642 I did not recognize him. 873 00:50:00,309 --> 00:50:01,978 He had lost so much weight. 874 00:50:03,312 --> 00:50:06,107 The hair was down over his ears, 875 00:50:06,190 --> 00:50:09,736 with a cap, a baseball cap, which he never wore. 876 00:50:09,819 --> 00:50:10,695 He just… 877 00:50:11,779 --> 00:50:14,115 He thought he was doing okay. 878 00:50:14,198 --> 00:50:16,367 He really was a little delusional. 879 00:50:19,328 --> 00:50:24,333 I think the evidence is overwhelming that David Berkowitz did not act alone 880 00:50:24,417 --> 00:50:26,502 and that others did cooperate. 881 00:50:27,045 --> 00:50:30,339 [Mounts] You could tell physically this had taken a toll on him. 882 00:50:30,423 --> 00:50:33,551 I was a detective for 15 years. 883 00:50:33,634 --> 00:50:36,763 I know what stress does to your body and how it makes you feel. 884 00:50:36,846 --> 00:50:39,474 Maury Terry suffered through a lot of stress. 885 00:50:41,642 --> 00:50:43,352 [Amicone] Maury wasn't looking for sympathy. 886 00:50:45,146 --> 00:50:48,107 Most things he did, it was not about Maury. 887 00:50:48,191 --> 00:50:50,234 It was about what he was pursuing. 888 00:50:51,069 --> 00:50:54,989 Maury's intent in every case was, "Allow the story to stay alive. 889 00:50:55,073 --> 00:50:58,618 The story needs to stay alive because there are still people out there 890 00:50:58,701 --> 00:51:01,788 who are perpetrating these kinds of crimes on people. 891 00:51:01,871 --> 00:51:03,998 They should be brought to justice." 892 00:51:04,082 --> 00:51:07,168 And he basically suffered until he could no longer hide it. 893 00:51:10,171 --> 00:51:12,215 [Kay] He'd never talk about his health. 894 00:51:12,298 --> 00:51:15,384 But it was obvious his heart was failing. 895 00:51:16,385 --> 00:51:18,012 [Amicone] He was on oxygen. 896 00:51:18,096 --> 00:51:22,225 I think those last few months of his life, especially, were very tough 897 00:51:22,725 --> 00:51:25,394 because he had to know that he was dying. 898 00:51:27,647 --> 00:51:29,649 [Kevin] I was with him the day he died. 899 00:51:31,984 --> 00:51:34,612 The last thing he said to me was, 900 00:51:34,695 --> 00:51:38,407 "Contact this attorney, who was part of a case." 901 00:51:38,491 --> 00:51:40,910 I said, "Maury, don't worry about it." I'm like… 902 00:51:40,993 --> 00:51:45,081 [chuckles] He's hours away from dying, and he's worried about other people. 903 00:51:45,164 --> 00:51:47,834 I'm getting… I get upset thinking about it right now. 904 00:51:47,917 --> 00:51:49,502 He was that kind of a person. 905 00:51:50,294 --> 00:51:53,506 On his last, dying… Literally his last breaths. 906 00:51:54,757 --> 00:51:56,843 And that said it all about him. 907 00:51:58,136 --> 00:52:00,263 And that was it. He died a few hours later. 908 00:52:03,099 --> 00:52:04,809 [Byrne] I flew up for the funeral. 909 00:52:05,393 --> 00:52:06,519 In the casket, 910 00:52:06,602 --> 00:52:08,980 he looked better than I'd ever seen him. 911 00:52:09,897 --> 00:52:13,526 He did. He really did. He looked better than he's ever looked. 912 00:52:14,735 --> 00:52:16,112 He was well-dressed. 913 00:52:16,821 --> 00:52:18,447 Please welcome Maury Terry. 914 00:52:22,910 --> 00:52:25,580 [reporter] One man has been able to piece together 915 00:52:25,663 --> 00:52:27,290 a new version of the slayings, 916 00:52:27,373 --> 00:52:28,833 reporter Maury Terry. 917 00:52:28,916 --> 00:52:30,793 [host 1] My first guest, Maury Terry. 918 00:52:30,877 --> 00:52:34,505 [host 2] We are joined now by Maury Terry, the author of Ultimate Evil. 919 00:52:34,589 --> 00:52:35,548 [applause] 920 00:52:35,631 --> 00:52:37,884 [Amicone] I hope the narrative doesn't die there. 921 00:52:37,967 --> 00:52:40,344 I hope somebody takes it up and continues it. 922 00:52:41,345 --> 00:52:45,683 His choice was to dedicate a very large portion of his life 923 00:52:45,766 --> 00:52:47,602 to pursuing this story, 924 00:52:47,685 --> 00:52:51,480 and in doing so, he gave up doing other things 925 00:52:51,564 --> 00:52:54,025 that he might've really enjoyed in his life. 926 00:52:54,692 --> 00:52:58,529 We did realize afterwards how many people he helped. 927 00:52:59,780 --> 00:53:02,366 We had people come to us and say, 928 00:53:02,950 --> 00:53:06,412 "I was victimized, and no one would pay attention. 929 00:53:06,495 --> 00:53:08,706 No one would listen. No one would believe. 930 00:53:08,789 --> 00:53:12,919 But Maury took me seriously, and I'll be forever grateful for that." 931 00:53:13,002 --> 00:53:14,545 [seagulls squawking] 932 00:53:14,629 --> 00:53:17,715 [Ott] You get involved in a case, and it becomes your life. 933 00:53:17,798 --> 00:53:21,636 He'd put all his heart and soul into something, everything he had. 934 00:53:22,261 --> 00:53:24,180 And it was never-ending. 935 00:53:24,263 --> 00:53:26,682 It didn't end. Only he ended. 936 00:53:29,060 --> 00:53:31,771 [Zeman] Maury had tried to make sense of the madness, 937 00:53:31,854 --> 00:53:34,315 to explain the unanswerable, "Why?" 938 00:53:34,398 --> 00:53:36,692 [pounds wall, sobs] 939 00:53:37,276 --> 00:53:39,153 We brought him up the right way. 940 00:53:39,237 --> 00:53:43,032 [Zeman] Why would someone shoot  Stacy Moskowitz and Robert Violante 941 00:53:43,115 --> 00:53:44,742 on a Brooklyn lover's lane? 942 00:53:45,243 --> 00:53:49,038 Why would a group of flower children stab a pregnant Sharon Tate? 943 00:53:50,331 --> 00:53:54,669 Why would Arlis Perry be viciously assaulted in a church? 944 00:53:54,752 --> 00:53:58,631 That an animal should snuff away a life of a young girl… 945 00:53:59,465 --> 00:54:01,550 [Zeman] Digging inside Maury's boxes, 946 00:54:01,634 --> 00:54:04,887 we thought we'd find our answer in that one final clue. 947 00:54:05,846 --> 00:54:07,431 A name, a number, 948 00:54:07,515 --> 00:54:08,975 an overlooked fact. 949 00:54:10,101 --> 00:54:12,186 Instead, we found something else. 950 00:54:12,937 --> 00:54:17,441 Maury's most compelling evidence was, in the end, his own story… 951 00:54:19,110 --> 00:54:22,154 that of one man's tragic journey into the abyss. 952 00:54:22,697 --> 00:54:25,574 [man] Innocent lives were lost,  young lives. 953 00:54:25,658 --> 00:54:28,494 I don't know if it'll be my wife tomorrow, my daughter. 954 00:54:28,577 --> 00:54:32,957 Maury genuinely believed, right down to his core, 955 00:54:33,791 --> 00:54:35,167 in what he was chasing. 956 00:54:36,377 --> 00:54:38,045 It was his white whale. 957 00:54:39,088 --> 00:54:43,342 [Kevin] Maury was the only one holding the police department's foot to the fire. 958 00:54:43,426 --> 00:54:46,387 Of course, they had to say he was just a conspiracy nut, 959 00:54:46,971 --> 00:54:49,890 and sometimes I thought he was too. 960 00:54:49,974 --> 00:54:53,352 But the fact is he was right more times than he was wrong. 961 00:54:53,853 --> 00:54:55,604 I was shot in the top of the head. 962 00:54:56,105 --> 00:54:57,898 -[interviewer] Where? -Right there. 963 00:54:57,982 --> 00:55:00,026 And there was a plate inserted. 964 00:55:00,901 --> 00:55:03,612 [Zeman] So, at the end of the day, what do you believe? 965 00:55:03,696 --> 00:55:07,783 100%, I believe David Berkowitz did not shoot me. 966 00:55:08,743 --> 00:55:12,580 But put it this way, if you want to use a meter on the truth, 967 00:55:12,663 --> 00:55:14,498 the ultimate evil, the truth… 968 00:55:14,582 --> 00:55:20,463 This is a total lie. This is, you know, the total truth. 969 00:55:20,546 --> 00:55:21,380 It's here. 970 00:55:23,341 --> 00:55:26,177 [Zeman] His story doesn't point to a grand conspiracy. 971 00:55:26,677 --> 00:55:29,096 But only to a far darker truth 972 00:55:30,264 --> 00:55:33,934 that, at times, the world is a dark and rudderless place. 973 00:55:35,394 --> 00:55:37,021 And good and evil do exist, 974 00:55:38,105 --> 00:55:40,816 but only inside the hearts and minds of us all. 975 00:55:40,900 --> 00:55:43,861 [Breslin] There's interest in the streets with this case. 976 00:55:43,944 --> 00:55:46,614 -And we-- -Do you think that's a healthy interest? 977 00:55:46,697 --> 00:55:48,991 -[Breslin] A healthy interest? Murder? -Yeah. 978 00:55:50,451 --> 00:55:52,870 [Darwen] Maury didn't get  everything he wanted. 979 00:55:52,953 --> 00:55:57,583 God bless his soul. He died before he could. 980 00:55:58,167 --> 00:56:00,753 However, that's maybe not that important. 981 00:56:02,088 --> 00:56:03,130 He was a journalist. 982 00:56:04,173 --> 00:56:06,675 That's his passion. That's what he loved. 983 00:56:07,718 --> 00:56:09,678 Maury and I had a philosophy. 984 00:56:10,846 --> 00:56:12,515 "Tell 'em what they don't know." 985 00:56:13,224 --> 00:56:16,894 Doesn't matter how old the story is. Find something new on it. 986 00:56:17,395 --> 00:56:18,896 That's what drove him. 987 00:56:18,979 --> 00:56:21,065 [Terry] We've been faced with a challenge 988 00:56:21,148 --> 00:56:23,401 to back up our information and to go further. 989 00:56:23,484 --> 00:56:25,403 We accept that challenge. 990 00:56:26,987 --> 00:56:29,115 [Darwen] Whether he could prove it or not… 991 00:56:30,533 --> 00:56:32,368 it was still a damn good story. 992 00:56:49,260 --> 00:56:51,720 [atmospheric music playing] 993 00:57:04,316 --> 00:57:07,278 -Hi, Mr. Crawford. How are ya? -[Crawford] Pretty good, but… 994 00:57:07,903 --> 00:57:11,449 -Can you open the door for us? -[Crawford] Sure. Let me get dressed. 995 00:57:11,532 --> 00:57:13,242 -Okay. -[Crawford] Real quick here. 996 00:57:13,325 --> 00:57:15,327 -One second. -Okay. Thank you. 997 00:57:20,458 --> 00:57:21,792 Are you about dressed? 998 00:57:22,376 --> 00:57:26,881 -[Crawford] I have one leg in underwear. -Just tell him you'll help him. 999 00:57:30,593 --> 00:57:32,386 Mr. Crawford, we're gonna help you. 1000 00:57:33,053 --> 00:57:34,722 [Crawford] No, that's all right. 1001 00:57:39,059 --> 00:57:41,479 There's a gun. Gun! Gun! 1002 00:57:43,564 --> 00:57:45,399 Mr. Crawford, put the gun away. 1003 00:57:46,609 --> 00:57:48,694 Mr. Crawford, put the gun away. 1004 00:57:48,777 --> 00:57:50,446 [Crawford] Why are you coming in? 1005 00:57:51,614 --> 00:57:52,698 [gun shot] 1006 00:57:55,701 --> 00:57:58,621 -[officer] Shot? -Patrol one, shots fired on Camden Avenue. 1007 00:57:59,163 --> 00:58:01,624 -[officer 1] Anyone hurt? -[officer 2] Anyone hit? 1008 00:58:01,707 --> 00:58:03,083 Nobody hit. Torres is fine. 1009 00:58:04,460 --> 00:58:08,797 Now to our other top story, the end to a decades-long cold case. 1010 00:58:08,881 --> 00:58:12,801 [Carlos Saucedo] Arlis Perry was 19 years old at the time of her brutal death. 1011 00:58:12,885 --> 00:58:15,179 Officials found her nude from the waist down 1012 00:58:15,262 --> 00:58:16,597 in the back of the church. 1013 00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:18,182 For years, the debate's raged 1014 00:58:18,265 --> 00:58:21,644 over whether this killing was part of a satanic ritual. 1015 00:58:21,727 --> 00:58:25,564 [reporter] The Santa Clara County sheriff  wrapped up a press briefing. 1016 00:58:25,648 --> 00:58:30,319 It comes with great honor to announce we solved the 43-year-old cold case. 1017 00:58:30,402 --> 00:58:33,447 Stephen Blake Crawford, 72-year-old, 1018 00:58:33,531 --> 00:58:35,741 was a security guard at Stanford University 1019 00:58:35,824 --> 00:58:37,326 at the time of the murder. 1020 00:58:37,409 --> 00:58:40,246 Crawford's been a person of interest since the beginning. 1021 00:58:40,329 --> 00:58:44,458 We were able recently to link Crawford's DNA to the crime scene. 1022 00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,253 Today, our detectives were serving a warrant, 1023 00:58:47,336 --> 00:58:50,381 and when they knocked on the door of Crawford's residence, 1024 00:58:50,464 --> 00:58:51,632 he killed himself. 1025 00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:57,680 During the search of the apartment, there were a couple of items of interest. 1026 00:58:57,763 --> 00:59:02,893 One, there was a box in his closet with some important papers in it, 1027 00:59:02,977 --> 00:59:06,689 and in it was a book called The Ultimate Evil, 1028 00:59:06,772 --> 00:59:10,192 and it's a book about serial killers. 1029 00:59:10,276 --> 00:59:12,820 [ominous music playing] 1030 00:59:34,466 --> 00:59:37,720 [closing theme music plays]