1 00:00:00,219 --> 00:00:02,762 SPEAKER: Liz wanted to be known as a trailblazer. 2 00:00:03,219 --> 00:00:05,511 This car was a house of cards. 3 00:00:06,553 --> 00:00:07,969 ♪ (GROOVY MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 4 00:00:08,219 --> 00:00:10,678 Law enforcement agencies start taking a closer look. 5 00:00:11,094 --> 00:00:13,595 Somebody opened the hood, there was nothing inside. 6 00:00:13,678 --> 00:00:14,678 We're gonna prosecute it. 7 00:00:15,261 --> 00:00:16,553 CANDI CARMICHAEL: We're in shock. 8 00:00:16,637 --> 00:00:18,928 We thought we'd never see Liz again. 9 00:00:19,845 --> 00:00:22,303 She was never gonna have some lawyer speaking for her, 10 00:00:22,386 --> 00:00:23,637 she had to speak for herself. 11 00:00:24,011 --> 00:00:25,219 SUSAN STRYKER: When they couldn't decide 12 00:00:25,303 --> 00:00:26,969 if the car was real or not, 13 00:00:27,053 --> 00:00:29,219 they started focusing on Liz. 14 00:00:29,595 --> 00:00:33,094 SPEAKER 2: Her defense was, it was the state interfering 15 00:00:33,178 --> 00:00:36,470 with her right to be an entrepreneur and a woman. 16 00:00:36,762 --> 00:00:38,511 It was really a circus. 17 00:00:38,595 --> 00:00:40,595 The jury came back with guilty. 18 00:00:41,053 --> 00:00:44,553 She really thought that they would never convict her. 19 00:00:45,595 --> 00:00:46,470 She ran off. 20 00:00:46,553 --> 00:00:47,345 (DINGS) 21 00:00:47,428 --> 00:00:48,887 (CAR ENGINE SCRAPING) 22 00:01:03,595 --> 00:01:07,219 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 23 00:01:07,303 --> 00:01:09,637 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 24 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,803 (TENNIS BALL THUDDING ON RACKETS) 25 00:01:18,678 --> 00:01:21,511 ROGER SCOTT: In 1976, 26 00:01:21,595 --> 00:01:26,386 Dick Carlson came to me and said, "Elizabeth Carmichael 27 00:01:26,470 --> 00:01:29,428 is in a tennis tournament in La Jolla. 28 00:01:30,969 --> 00:01:33,219 We wanna go down there with a crew." 29 00:01:33,303 --> 00:01:35,428 'Cause she'd been on the run for a while. 30 00:01:35,511 --> 00:01:37,219 (CROWD CHEERING) 31 00:01:37,303 --> 00:01:38,303 So they went down there 32 00:01:38,386 --> 00:01:41,428 and shot some of the tennis tournament, 33 00:01:41,511 --> 00:01:43,386 and then told the officials, "Oh, by the way, 34 00:01:43,470 --> 00:01:46,470 do you know that that person is really a man?" 35 00:01:46,553 --> 00:01:50,803 And that's really the last story I remember about the Dale car 36 00:01:50,887 --> 00:01:52,845 and Elizabeth Carmichael. 37 00:01:53,928 --> 00:01:58,595 PRODUCER: 38 00:01:58,678 --> 00:01:59,595 Really? 39 00:01:59,678 --> 00:02:03,720 PRODUCER: 40 00:02:12,511 --> 00:02:14,470 God, maybe I'm confusing the stories. 41 00:02:15,178 --> 00:02:18,553 ♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 42 00:02:24,011 --> 00:02:26,637 The 60th Annual La Jolla Tennis Tournament. 43 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:28,637 It seemed simple enough at the beginning. 44 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:30,553 An unknown player from Orange County, 45 00:02:30,637 --> 00:02:33,969 31-year-old Renée Richards, creamed every challenger 46 00:02:34,053 --> 00:02:36,428 and made it to the finals on straight sets. 47 00:02:36,511 --> 00:02:38,053 Thirty-one-year-old Renée Richards 48 00:02:38,136 --> 00:02:41,303 is actually forty-one-year-old Dr. Richard H. Raskind. 49 00:02:41,386 --> 00:02:44,887 He's a man, until recently, a New York ophthalmologist. 50 00:02:44,969 --> 00:02:47,219 Renée Richards is a professional tennis player 51 00:02:47,303 --> 00:02:51,595 who was outed as a transsexual, a transgender woman, 52 00:02:51,678 --> 00:02:54,136 actually by Dick Carlson, 53 00:02:54,219 --> 00:02:56,887 the same person who outed Liz Carmichael. 54 00:02:57,511 --> 00:02:59,053 And you wonder what-- 55 00:02:59,136 --> 00:03:01,553 why he kept paying attention to trans people. 56 00:03:01,637 --> 00:03:03,720 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 57 00:03:03,803 --> 00:03:07,428 I moved to California, 3,000 miles from my home, 58 00:03:07,511 --> 00:03:11,928 and I gave up my practice, my professorship, 59 00:03:12,011 --> 00:03:16,762 to lead a private anonymous life with a new name in California. 60 00:03:18,053 --> 00:03:21,011 And all that blew up in my face in La Jolla. 61 00:03:21,094 --> 00:03:24,303 Dick Carlson, reporting from La Jolla. 62 00:03:24,386 --> 00:03:26,345 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 63 00:03:26,428 --> 00:03:28,969 RENÉE RICHARDS: I knew that I was going to 64 00:03:29,053 --> 00:03:32,178 be subjected to a lot of grief, 65 00:03:32,261 --> 00:03:36,011 personally and in the public sphere, but... 66 00:03:36,094 --> 00:03:38,762 I had no idea of the magnitude 67 00:03:38,845 --> 00:03:40,386 and the severity of it. 68 00:03:40,470 --> 00:03:44,470 -(CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING) -(REPORTERS CLAMORING) 69 00:03:45,136 --> 00:03:48,637 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 70 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,595 REPORTER 1: District attorney said they could account for 800,000 dollars 71 00:03:51,678 --> 00:03:53,553 that was, uh, that went through the company? 72 00:03:53,637 --> 00:03:56,887 Oh, the district attorney is an unethical, 73 00:03:56,969 --> 00:04:00,053 lying, slimy individual 74 00:04:00,136 --> 00:04:02,303 who has taken a personal interest in this case, 75 00:04:02,386 --> 00:04:05,053 a personal, uh, a personal situation 76 00:04:05,136 --> 00:04:07,345 of vindictiveness that I don't understand. 77 00:04:08,136 --> 00:04:09,386 We took not a dime. 78 00:04:09,470 --> 00:04:12,386 Not only did I not take any money, I drew no salary. 79 00:04:12,470 --> 00:04:14,803 I put over 100,000 dollars of my own money 80 00:04:14,887 --> 00:04:15,928 into the company. 81 00:04:16,011 --> 00:04:18,637 I was the biggest loser. I was the biggest victim. 82 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:20,720 And the prosecuting attorney lies 83 00:04:20,803 --> 00:04:23,011 when he says that they proved that there was money missing. 84 00:04:23,094 --> 00:04:24,595 There was no money missing. 85 00:04:24,678 --> 00:04:27,969 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 86 00:04:33,762 --> 00:04:37,011 Once convicted, she fell into her old ways, 87 00:04:37,094 --> 00:04:38,553 and skipped the date 88 00:04:38,637 --> 00:04:40,803 in which she was supposed to appear in court. 89 00:04:42,511 --> 00:04:44,428 She jumped bail. 90 00:04:44,511 --> 00:04:46,345 JERI BURCHARD: After the trial, 91 00:04:47,595 --> 00:04:50,845 she didn't wanna, obviously, go to prison. 92 00:04:50,928 --> 00:04:53,178 You know, she wanted to stay with the family. 93 00:04:56,011 --> 00:04:57,428 That was still her number one goal, 94 00:04:57,511 --> 00:05:00,428 is her family was to always be together, 95 00:05:00,511 --> 00:05:02,887 and take care of family, no matter what. 96 00:05:02,969 --> 00:05:04,762 ♪ (MELANCHOLIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 97 00:05:04,845 --> 00:05:08,762 Vivian... I think it just wasn't what she wanted anymore. 98 00:05:08,845 --> 00:05:12,887 All the years on the run was hard. 99 00:05:12,969 --> 00:05:15,136 She hadn't been able to be a wife in so long. 100 00:05:15,219 --> 00:05:19,803 I think she probably wanted to-- to be a wife again. 101 00:05:19,887 --> 00:05:23,720 After the trial, they got a divorce. 102 00:05:23,803 --> 00:05:26,053 Obviously, they loved each other. 103 00:05:27,637 --> 00:05:30,053 They had five kids together, 104 00:05:30,136 --> 00:05:31,928 moved around the country. 105 00:05:32,969 --> 00:05:34,553 When they split, 106 00:05:34,637 --> 00:05:36,553 the family went back on the run. 107 00:05:36,637 --> 00:05:39,345 -♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -(BIRDS TWITTERING) 108 00:05:39,428 --> 00:05:41,803 MICHAEL MICHAEL: Right before we left California, 109 00:05:41,887 --> 00:05:45,178 Vivian and Liz were talking, 110 00:05:45,261 --> 00:05:47,303 and then they asked who I wanted to be with, 111 00:05:47,386 --> 00:05:49,678 and I said, "I wanna go with Liz." 112 00:05:49,762 --> 00:05:52,094 ♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 113 00:05:54,470 --> 00:05:57,136 JERI: The family moved a lot. 114 00:05:57,219 --> 00:05:59,678 -They lived in Oklahoma... -(INSECTS BUZZING) 115 00:05:59,762 --> 00:06:01,887 -...Arizona... -(EAGLE SCREECHES) 116 00:06:01,969 --> 00:06:03,511 -...Florida. -(SEAGULLS CALLING) 117 00:06:03,595 --> 00:06:05,511 If we needed to move locations, 118 00:06:05,595 --> 00:06:08,178 she always made sure she found a place for everybody 119 00:06:08,261 --> 00:06:10,386 where we could always be together, 120 00:06:10,470 --> 00:06:12,386 and Texas just, thank goodness, 121 00:06:12,470 --> 00:06:14,678 ended up being the-- the stopping point 122 00:06:14,762 --> 00:06:16,720 where they, you know, really set down 123 00:06:16,803 --> 00:06:18,969 and got our roots dug. 124 00:06:21,762 --> 00:06:24,678 ELIZABETH CARMICHAEL: I decided to give the flower selling idea a try 125 00:06:24,762 --> 00:06:26,762 after I'd gone through most of my money 126 00:06:26,845 --> 00:06:29,219 -and other alternatives. -(TELEPHONE RINGS) 127 00:06:29,303 --> 00:06:30,969 I had to do something. 128 00:06:32,511 --> 00:06:34,511 CHARLES RICHARD BARRETT: She would call and tell me 129 00:06:34,595 --> 00:06:36,386 that the flower business was doing good. 130 00:06:36,470 --> 00:06:37,845 And I said, "Well, what are you doing?" 131 00:06:37,928 --> 00:06:39,678 And she told me, she said, "Well, I'm... 132 00:06:39,762 --> 00:06:41,803 buying these wholesale flowers and everything, 133 00:06:41,887 --> 00:06:43,720 and I've got a bunch of people here. 134 00:06:43,803 --> 00:06:46,762 Some of these gals are homeless. Some of the guys are homeless. 135 00:06:46,845 --> 00:06:49,178 And they're out there, right there on the intersection, 136 00:06:49,261 --> 00:06:53,303 selling flowers, and, uh, it just took off." 137 00:06:53,386 --> 00:06:55,386 -♪ (UPBEAT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -(ALARM RINGING) 138 00:06:55,470 --> 00:06:57,053 JERI: She was always a morning person. 139 00:06:57,136 --> 00:07:00,345 So she would always be up by seven o'clock in the morning. 140 00:07:01,511 --> 00:07:04,678 She ordered the flowers, she paid all the bills, 141 00:07:04,762 --> 00:07:07,053 did payroll for our sellers. 142 00:07:07,136 --> 00:07:08,678 I'd hear her on the phone all the time, 143 00:07:08,762 --> 00:07:11,845 calling our distributors and negotiating with them 144 00:07:11,928 --> 00:07:13,678 to get the better deals. 145 00:07:13,762 --> 00:07:16,386 I mean, I think she really didn't stop 146 00:07:16,470 --> 00:07:18,595 until two o'clock in the morning. 147 00:07:18,678 --> 00:07:20,845 The flower company was her baby. 148 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:26,178 It was a family business 149 00:07:26,261 --> 00:07:29,428 with, uh, Mamaw being the boss, basically. 150 00:07:29,511 --> 00:07:31,762 Uh, my dad, Brian Michael, 151 00:07:31,845 --> 00:07:32,928 my uncle Michael, 152 00:07:33,011 --> 00:07:37,637 my aunts, Wendi and Candi, even my mother... 153 00:07:38,178 --> 00:07:39,803 they all worked for her. 154 00:07:40,803 --> 00:07:43,094 MICHAEL: There was, like, a four-acre lot, 155 00:07:43,178 --> 00:07:45,762 and we had five mobile homes. 156 00:07:45,845 --> 00:07:47,511 Liz lived in one, 157 00:07:47,595 --> 00:07:50,762 my sister Candi and I lived in another one, 158 00:07:50,845 --> 00:07:53,637 and then the sellers lived in the other two. 159 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,386 After we left California, that's what we did for a living. 160 00:07:57,386 --> 00:08:00,595 (TELEPHONE RINGS) 161 00:08:00,678 --> 00:08:02,053 ♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 162 00:08:02,136 --> 00:08:04,178 MICHAEL: Vivian and Liz were like sisters, 163 00:08:04,261 --> 00:08:05,845 I guess you could say. 164 00:08:05,928 --> 00:08:07,803 (INDISTINCT WHISPERING) 165 00:08:07,887 --> 00:08:10,094 You know, every time they talked on the phone, 166 00:08:10,178 --> 00:08:12,345 they'd talk for... hour or two. 167 00:08:12,428 --> 00:08:15,219 It wasn't all the time, but they-- they kept in touch 168 00:08:15,303 --> 00:08:16,969 throughout the whole journey. 169 00:08:17,053 --> 00:08:19,803 JERI: They did divorce close to the end of Vivian's life, 170 00:08:19,887 --> 00:08:22,553 but they never really disconnected. 171 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:25,887 Before she passed, Vivian went ahead 172 00:08:25,969 --> 00:08:29,094 and remarried somebody, and then passed away 173 00:08:29,178 --> 00:08:32,136 quite quickly after that from cancer. 174 00:08:33,762 --> 00:08:36,762 BARRETT: I was with Vivian when she died. 175 00:08:36,845 --> 00:08:39,094 ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 176 00:08:40,261 --> 00:08:41,928 In the end, uh... 177 00:08:43,178 --> 00:08:45,803 she had a good life. And she-- 178 00:08:45,887 --> 00:08:47,928 It was a fast life, and it was busy, 179 00:08:48,011 --> 00:08:51,011 but life here on this earth is just short. 180 00:08:51,094 --> 00:08:53,887 JERI: I do know that my Mamaw loved her very much, 181 00:08:53,969 --> 00:08:57,928 no matter where we lived, and through all the moves, 182 00:08:58,011 --> 00:09:00,511 it was always saved of this-- really the-- 183 00:09:00,595 --> 00:09:04,969 it's the most beautiful photo that my Mamaw had of Vivian. 184 00:09:08,261 --> 00:09:11,303 She had her cats in the photograph with her. 185 00:09:12,803 --> 00:09:14,345 I felt like it was pretty obvious 186 00:09:14,428 --> 00:09:17,428 her love for Vivian never diminished. 187 00:09:18,470 --> 00:09:20,803 MICHAEL: They shined when they were together. 188 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,637 ♪ (UPBEAT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 189 00:09:31,595 --> 00:09:34,595 ♪ (ACTION MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 190 00:09:34,678 --> 00:09:37,345 -(AUDIENCE LAUGHING) -♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 191 00:09:38,969 --> 00:09:41,511 ♪ (DANCE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 192 00:09:41,595 --> 00:09:44,094 ♪ ("UNSOLVED MYSTERIES" THEME MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 193 00:09:45,637 --> 00:09:47,720 ROBERT STACK: In 1973, America was crippled 194 00:09:47,803 --> 00:09:48,969 by the gas shortage. 195 00:09:49,053 --> 00:09:51,219 Liz Carmichael raised three million dollars 196 00:09:51,303 --> 00:09:53,011 for her revolutionary three-wheeled car, 197 00:09:53,094 --> 00:09:55,553 which she claimed would get 70 miles to the gallon. 198 00:09:55,637 --> 00:09:57,219 JERI: Yeah, we were just all sitting around 199 00:09:57,303 --> 00:09:58,219 and we saw it... 200 00:09:58,303 --> 00:09:59,553 STACK: Liz has disappeared... 201 00:09:59,637 --> 00:10:03,053 JERI: ...the original Unsolved Mysteries episode. 202 00:10:03,136 --> 00:10:04,845 Like, I don't know how it worked out, 203 00:10:04,928 --> 00:10:07,428 that the whole family was watching. 204 00:10:07,511 --> 00:10:09,720 STACK: In 1980, she failed to show up 205 00:10:09,803 --> 00:10:11,470 in court for sentencing. 206 00:10:11,553 --> 00:10:13,386 And Liz Carmichael and her five children 207 00:10:13,470 --> 00:10:15,887 have not been seen for over eight years. 208 00:10:15,969 --> 00:10:17,678 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 209 00:10:17,762 --> 00:10:20,428 If I were Liz, I would be living as a man 210 00:10:20,511 --> 00:10:22,094 because all of this publicity 211 00:10:22,178 --> 00:10:25,845 and all of these victims know Liz as a woman. 212 00:10:28,511 --> 00:10:31,345 JERI: I think for us kids, it may have scared us 213 00:10:31,428 --> 00:10:33,428 'cause we finally understood, 214 00:10:33,511 --> 00:10:35,511 "Oh my gosh. She's in trouble." 215 00:10:35,595 --> 00:10:39,303 I don't remember her being, like, shell-shocked or mad. 216 00:10:39,386 --> 00:10:41,094 More of accepting. 217 00:10:41,178 --> 00:10:45,178 It'd always been a possibility, and it was happening. 218 00:10:45,261 --> 00:10:46,470 If you have any information 219 00:10:46,553 --> 00:10:48,136 concerning this escaped fugitive, 220 00:10:48,219 --> 00:10:50,094 please call our toll-free number, 221 00:10:50,178 --> 00:10:54,553 1-800-876-5353. 222 00:10:54,637 --> 00:10:56,470 JERI: You know, Mamaw wasn't a recluse. 223 00:10:56,553 --> 00:10:58,803 She went out, went clothes shopping, 224 00:10:58,887 --> 00:11:00,928 uh, went to the grocery store. 225 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:03,720 When that episode aired, 226 00:11:03,803 --> 00:11:07,887 I think they had the caller within, like, the same day. 227 00:11:08,511 --> 00:11:09,969 ♪ (MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 228 00:11:10,053 --> 00:11:12,470 NEWS ANCHOR 1: Update. Within minutes after this story first aired, 229 00:11:12,553 --> 00:11:15,386 our telecentre received an anonymous call from a viewer 230 00:11:15,470 --> 00:11:18,470 who recognized Liz Carmichael as a flower vendor 231 00:11:18,553 --> 00:11:21,178 living in Bastrop County, Texas, near Austin. 232 00:11:21,261 --> 00:11:24,094 JERI: Within the first week after the airing... 233 00:11:25,470 --> 00:11:27,011 they came and picked her up. 234 00:11:27,094 --> 00:11:29,470 ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 235 00:11:29,553 --> 00:11:31,428 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 236 00:11:34,136 --> 00:11:36,969 JERI: There was no fight put up. 237 00:11:37,053 --> 00:11:39,178 Like, "Okay, well, let's just get this done 238 00:11:39,261 --> 00:11:41,094 so I can live without having to worry. 239 00:11:41,178 --> 00:11:44,637 My children and grandchildren don't have to worry 240 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:46,762 if I just get this taken care of. 241 00:11:46,845 --> 00:11:48,720 I'll be home before they know it." 242 00:11:48,803 --> 00:11:50,553 Three weeks ago, Jerry Dean Michaels 243 00:11:50,637 --> 00:11:53,178 was featured on NBC's Unsolved Mysteries 244 00:11:53,261 --> 00:11:56,136 for bilking investors out of millions of dollars. 245 00:11:56,219 --> 00:11:58,678 He was arrested last night by sheriff's deputies 246 00:11:58,762 --> 00:11:59,887 in Bastrop County, 247 00:11:59,969 --> 00:12:03,511 where he has lived for the last year as a woman. 248 00:12:03,595 --> 00:12:07,470 I don't know this person's, uh, lifestyle. 249 00:12:07,553 --> 00:12:08,595 I know what he looks like. 250 00:12:08,678 --> 00:12:12,261 I know he uses female names, but he is male. 251 00:12:12,345 --> 00:12:14,386 REPORTER 2: You mind talking to us just for a second? 252 00:12:14,470 --> 00:12:16,428 What about your three-wheeled car? 253 00:12:17,511 --> 00:12:19,678 Tonight, Michaels is fighting his expedition 254 00:12:19,762 --> 00:12:21,219 back to California, 255 00:12:21,303 --> 00:12:25,053 but it appears his years of swindling and conning people 256 00:12:25,136 --> 00:12:29,720 have settled with the dust at the end of the Forest Lane. 257 00:12:29,803 --> 00:12:32,136 MICHAEL: I was in town selling flowers, 258 00:12:32,219 --> 00:12:35,178 so I didn't know nothing about it until that night. 259 00:12:35,261 --> 00:12:38,511 And I was crushed. It was-- it was hard on me. 260 00:12:40,178 --> 00:12:42,928 I went and saw her in the county jail. 261 00:12:43,011 --> 00:12:45,303 And I knew that they have ten days 262 00:12:45,386 --> 00:12:47,969 to extradite her back to California, 263 00:12:48,511 --> 00:12:50,428 and each day, 264 00:12:50,511 --> 00:12:52,678 I was thinking, "Well, maybe they won't do it today. 265 00:12:52,762 --> 00:12:54,345 Maybe they won't do it today." 266 00:12:54,428 --> 00:12:56,678 And I was kind of excited on the ninth day 267 00:12:56,762 --> 00:12:58,470 because she was still there. 268 00:12:58,553 --> 00:13:01,219 And on the tenth day, 269 00:13:01,303 --> 00:13:03,553 my hopes were crushed again 270 00:13:03,637 --> 00:13:05,845 because they came and picked her up. 271 00:13:05,928 --> 00:13:08,678 ♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 272 00:13:08,762 --> 00:13:10,178 NEWS ANCHOR 2: On April 26th, 273 00:13:10,261 --> 00:13:12,345 over eight years after she jumped bail, 274 00:13:12,428 --> 00:13:14,219 Carmichael was returned to California 275 00:13:14,303 --> 00:13:17,136 to face sentencing for her 1977 conviction 276 00:13:17,219 --> 00:13:19,428 of conspiracy, grand theft, and fraud. 277 00:13:19,511 --> 00:13:20,762 REPORTER 3: Which would you prefer? 278 00:13:20,845 --> 00:13:22,762 -Women's prison. -REPORTER 3: Why? 279 00:13:22,845 --> 00:13:23,969 'Cause I'm a woman. 280 00:13:24,053 --> 00:13:26,303 JERI: Even though she was, to me, my Mamaw, 281 00:13:26,386 --> 00:13:28,511 she, when she did get arrested, 282 00:13:28,595 --> 00:13:32,969 due to her not having a full female body, 283 00:13:33,053 --> 00:13:36,386 she was forced to go into the men's jail. 284 00:13:39,553 --> 00:13:41,678 ♪ (MUSIC ENDS) ♪ 285 00:13:41,762 --> 00:13:44,762 MICHAEL: It was 18 months that she was incarcerated. 286 00:13:47,053 --> 00:13:49,511 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 287 00:13:49,595 --> 00:13:52,720 CARMICHAEL: October 30th, 1989. 288 00:13:52,803 --> 00:13:56,803 Dear Roberta, I got your card and letter today. 289 00:13:56,887 --> 00:13:58,803 Very cute. 290 00:13:58,887 --> 00:14:01,136 I will be getting out the first week in August 291 00:14:01,219 --> 00:14:04,553 this coming year, nine more months. 292 00:14:04,637 --> 00:14:06,762 You never said in your letter whether or not 293 00:14:06,845 --> 00:14:09,969 you're getting any lately, but if I know you, 294 00:14:10,053 --> 00:14:12,511 you're not suffering any in that department. 295 00:14:12,595 --> 00:14:15,720 Next time you get drunk or get laid, think of me. 296 00:14:15,803 --> 00:14:17,428 I'll be with you in spirit. 297 00:14:18,303 --> 00:14:19,428 Love, Liz. 298 00:14:21,053 --> 00:14:24,511 Sunday, November 26th, 1989. 299 00:14:24,595 --> 00:14:28,261 I spend about 20 hours a day in a room that's 7 feet wide 300 00:14:28,345 --> 00:14:30,303 and 11 feet long. 301 00:14:30,386 --> 00:14:32,136 Nothing happens here. 302 00:14:32,219 --> 00:14:35,511 Every week, I put in a request to see the dentist, 303 00:14:35,595 --> 00:14:37,803 but there's never a response. 304 00:14:37,887 --> 00:14:40,678 Maybe it's a fiction that there is a dentist here. 305 00:14:40,762 --> 00:14:42,720 (INHALES) There's probably a little old lady 306 00:14:42,803 --> 00:14:45,386 -on the third floor who cackles with laughter... -(LAUGHTER ECHOES) 307 00:14:45,470 --> 00:14:47,928 ...as she reads the requests to see the dentist 308 00:14:48,011 --> 00:14:50,178 who died five years ago. 309 00:14:51,094 --> 00:14:54,637 Tuesday, February 27th, 1990. 310 00:14:55,136 --> 00:14:56,386 Dear Roberta, 311 00:14:56,470 --> 00:14:59,386 on December 15th, I was getting into my bunk. 312 00:14:59,470 --> 00:15:01,845 ♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 313 00:15:01,928 --> 00:15:05,762 My foot slipped. I fell five feet onto my back. 314 00:15:05,845 --> 00:15:08,178 It felt as if I had broken something. 315 00:15:08,261 --> 00:15:09,470 (GROANING) 316 00:15:09,553 --> 00:15:11,261 For two weeks, I couldn't walk. 317 00:15:11,345 --> 00:15:13,386 Then, for four more weeks, I hurt so bad 318 00:15:13,470 --> 00:15:15,845 I would only go to chow once a day, 319 00:15:15,928 --> 00:15:19,470 and wouldn't have gone then, except I would have starved. 320 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,136 After that, I slowly improved. 321 00:15:23,219 --> 00:15:24,887 (TYPEWRITER KEYS CLACKING) 322 00:15:24,969 --> 00:15:28,803 My mind is sort of blank, so I'm going to quit now. 323 00:15:29,178 --> 00:15:30,303 (SCRIBBLING) 324 00:15:30,386 --> 00:15:32,595 Either I'm doing a shitty job of typing today, 325 00:15:32,678 --> 00:15:36,219 or this typewriter is no good, or maybe a bit of both. 326 00:15:36,303 --> 00:15:37,720 I'll write again soon. 327 00:15:37,803 --> 00:15:40,428 -I know how to spell "write." -(SCRIBBLING) 328 00:15:40,511 --> 00:15:42,720 -Love... -(KEYS CLACKING) 329 00:15:42,803 --> 00:15:43,845 Liz. 330 00:15:43,928 --> 00:15:46,011 ♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 331 00:15:46,845 --> 00:15:50,428 UPBEAT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 332 00:15:50,511 --> 00:15:56,136 MICHAEL: At the end of the 18 months, she got out. 333 00:15:56,219 --> 00:16:00,845 She rode a bus back from California to, uh, Austin, 334 00:16:00,928 --> 00:16:02,803 and we went and picked her up. 335 00:16:04,595 --> 00:16:05,678 (TIRES SCREECH) 336 00:16:05,762 --> 00:16:09,261 The business was stressful, to say the very least. 337 00:16:09,345 --> 00:16:12,637 Nobody was capable of keeping the family together 338 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:14,261 like she was. 339 00:16:14,345 --> 00:16:15,969 Whenever something would go wrong, 340 00:16:16,053 --> 00:16:17,553 she always had the answer. 341 00:16:19,261 --> 00:16:21,762 By then, it was me and my sister 342 00:16:21,845 --> 00:16:23,803 and a handful of sellers. 343 00:16:23,887 --> 00:16:28,094 None of the bills had been paid, and both of our properties 344 00:16:28,178 --> 00:16:30,928 were getting ready to be foreclosed on. 345 00:16:31,011 --> 00:16:34,303 Then, with her back at the helm, 346 00:16:34,386 --> 00:16:38,053 we were able to regroup and start over. 347 00:16:39,887 --> 00:16:41,969 QUIET MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 348 00:16:42,053 --> 00:16:44,136 JOHN PEDROZA: When I was recruited, 349 00:16:44,219 --> 00:16:46,720 I had just left the military. 350 00:16:46,803 --> 00:16:50,053 My head was in a bad space. I did not know where to go. 351 00:16:54,845 --> 00:16:56,845 This guy say, "You want a job and a place to live?" 352 00:16:56,928 --> 00:16:58,094 So I just left. 353 00:16:59,553 --> 00:17:03,219 She brought me into the fold, was very kind. 354 00:17:03,303 --> 00:17:05,969 She let me know that you need to grow up, 355 00:17:06,053 --> 00:17:07,762 you need to have a better headspace, 356 00:17:07,845 --> 00:17:09,178 and you need to move forward. 357 00:17:09,261 --> 00:17:10,720 And that's what I did. 358 00:17:10,803 --> 00:17:12,803 (BIRDS TWITTERING) 359 00:17:12,887 --> 00:17:14,845 From that point on, I was just involved 360 00:17:14,928 --> 00:17:17,011 in every aspect of the business, 361 00:17:17,094 --> 00:17:21,428 from flower selling to route driving to recruiting. 362 00:17:21,511 --> 00:17:25,553 JERI: San Antonio, Houston, um, even Dallas at times. 363 00:17:25,637 --> 00:17:30,511 She would send recruiters to surrounding cities. 364 00:17:30,595 --> 00:17:33,969 We'd go look for people who need a job and a place to live, 365 00:17:34,053 --> 00:17:36,720 which is something that I found very endearing. 366 00:17:36,803 --> 00:17:40,511 I mean, she's giving you a place to live and paying you. 367 00:17:40,595 --> 00:17:42,053 JERI: She didn't judge people. 368 00:17:42,136 --> 00:17:45,219 Even if she knew they had a-- a bad past, 369 00:17:45,303 --> 00:17:46,969 she's more than willing 370 00:17:47,053 --> 00:17:49,011 and happy to provide a second chance. 371 00:17:50,178 --> 00:17:52,553 MICHAEL: Well, the sellers had their own house. 372 00:17:52,637 --> 00:17:55,219 There'd be two bunk beds in each room, 373 00:17:55,303 --> 00:17:58,511 and there'd be, you know, four guys in each room 374 00:17:58,595 --> 00:18:00,928 if it was a four-bedroom house. 375 00:18:01,011 --> 00:18:03,928 JERI: The route drivers, they would go to the home 376 00:18:04,011 --> 00:18:05,845 where the sellers lived. 377 00:18:05,928 --> 00:18:07,845 PEDROZA: Route driver would pick them up, 378 00:18:07,928 --> 00:18:09,762 take you to your corner, 379 00:18:09,845 --> 00:18:10,969 and then they'd leave you. 380 00:18:11,053 --> 00:18:12,969 You would stay from 2:00 to 10:00. 381 00:18:13,053 --> 00:18:14,678 And then they'd pick you up, 382 00:18:14,762 --> 00:18:16,053 pay you your 20 percent. 383 00:18:16,136 --> 00:18:18,595 Then they'd take you to go get your groceries, 384 00:18:18,678 --> 00:18:20,803 or whatever you needed, and take you home. 385 00:18:20,887 --> 00:18:22,595 That's very-- it was very simple. 386 00:18:22,678 --> 00:18:25,219 You go in, you work, get paid, go home. 387 00:18:25,303 --> 00:18:26,511 Just like any job. 388 00:18:27,345 --> 00:18:28,345 JERI: For me, as a kid, 389 00:18:28,428 --> 00:18:30,011 it felt like it was more playtime. 390 00:18:30,094 --> 00:18:33,511 Like, there was just more people for me to bother and play with. 391 00:18:34,511 --> 00:18:36,678 I loved growing up like that, 392 00:18:36,762 --> 00:18:38,803 not only all my family together, 393 00:18:38,887 --> 00:18:42,762 but then all these different, like, eclectic sort of people. 394 00:18:42,845 --> 00:18:46,136 It's very diverse. And I thought it was great. 395 00:18:46,219 --> 00:18:48,428 ♪ (QUIET MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 396 00:18:48,511 --> 00:18:51,053 PEDROZA: She was a very good boss. 397 00:18:51,136 --> 00:18:53,720 Everybody that worked for her... 398 00:18:53,803 --> 00:18:55,762 really cared for her and loved her. 399 00:18:55,845 --> 00:18:59,219 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 400 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,637 JERI: So, her and my uncle were 401 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,345 getting ready for the day to go get the sellers, 402 00:19:08,428 --> 00:19:10,803 to pick them up and take them to their intersections 403 00:19:10,887 --> 00:19:12,720 to-- to start selling. 404 00:19:12,803 --> 00:19:15,136 And they stopped at a convenience store, 405 00:19:15,219 --> 00:19:16,470 and it had this little pipe 406 00:19:16,553 --> 00:19:18,470 that was coming up out of the ground. 407 00:19:18,553 --> 00:19:21,803 She happened to trip over it, and fell and broke her hip. 408 00:19:21,887 --> 00:19:23,969 And she was not one for medical care. 409 00:19:24,053 --> 00:19:26,762 She hated the hospital and did not like doctors. 410 00:19:26,845 --> 00:19:29,720 And so she never really did anything for it, 411 00:19:29,803 --> 00:19:32,261 so she just stayed wheelchair-bound. 412 00:19:34,845 --> 00:19:36,345 And it-- it affected her a lot, 413 00:19:36,428 --> 00:19:39,261 'cause, you know, she was already up there in age. 414 00:19:39,345 --> 00:19:43,011 She, honest to God, built this, like, pulley system 415 00:19:43,094 --> 00:19:45,303 that she could wrap around the leg 416 00:19:45,386 --> 00:19:47,345 of the side of the hip that was broke, 417 00:19:47,428 --> 00:19:50,303 and, like, pick it up and throw her other leg over 418 00:19:50,386 --> 00:19:52,178 and put herself in the wheelchair. 419 00:19:52,261 --> 00:19:55,053 And she's doing it at, like, 70 years old. (CHUCKLES) 420 00:19:56,428 --> 00:19:57,887 She still came to work every day. 421 00:19:57,969 --> 00:20:00,762 She just stopped doing the routes as much. 422 00:20:00,845 --> 00:20:02,845 But every day, she'd wake up in the morning, 423 00:20:02,928 --> 00:20:05,511 go sit at her desk. 424 00:20:05,595 --> 00:20:08,261 It definitely held her back, breaking her hip, 425 00:20:08,345 --> 00:20:10,428 but it never stopped her. 426 00:20:10,511 --> 00:20:11,969 Not by any means. 427 00:20:12,053 --> 00:20:14,720 -(TAPE RECORDER CLICKS) -CARMICHAEL: 428 00:20:16,470 --> 00:20:17,553 (TAPE CLICKS) 429 00:20:18,386 --> 00:20:20,845 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 430 00:20:20,969 --> 00:20:23,053 I moved my family to Austin 431 00:20:23,136 --> 00:20:26,053 to take the best reporting job I ever had 432 00:20:26,136 --> 00:20:28,637 with the Austin American-Statesman. 433 00:20:31,345 --> 00:20:32,969 We noticed immediately, 434 00:20:33,969 --> 00:20:38,345 it seemed like on every major intersection, 435 00:20:38,428 --> 00:20:41,261 there were people on the corner selling roses. 436 00:20:42,595 --> 00:20:46,136 I travel a lot, and I'd never seen anything like it. 437 00:20:47,303 --> 00:20:49,303 So I went to an editor and I said, "Listen, I-- 438 00:20:49,386 --> 00:20:50,386 What I'd like to do 439 00:20:50,470 --> 00:20:53,470 is go out to one of those intersections, 440 00:20:53,553 --> 00:20:55,720 and let's just do a story. 441 00:20:55,803 --> 00:20:58,720 It can be something as simple as a day in the life 442 00:20:58,803 --> 00:21:01,011 of one of these rose salesmen." 443 00:21:02,511 --> 00:21:04,470 So the next morning, I went out 444 00:21:04,553 --> 00:21:07,386 and spent a day with one of these vendors. 445 00:21:08,345 --> 00:21:10,261 He said he had been recruited 446 00:21:10,345 --> 00:21:14,094 to come from Houston to Austin 447 00:21:14,178 --> 00:21:17,845 to sell roses, which I thought was pretty odd. 448 00:21:17,928 --> 00:21:20,261 So I said, "Who do you work for?" 449 00:21:20,345 --> 00:21:23,136 And he was kind of skittish about it at first, 450 00:21:24,094 --> 00:21:26,678 but he told me that this business 451 00:21:26,762 --> 00:21:29,094 was being run by a woman. 452 00:21:29,178 --> 00:21:31,345 And it was Liz Carmichael. 453 00:21:34,011 --> 00:21:35,928 ♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 454 00:21:36,011 --> 00:21:38,845 You couldn't just, uh, google "Liz Carmichael" 455 00:21:38,928 --> 00:21:40,428 and have the thing pop up. 456 00:21:40,511 --> 00:21:44,219 So I started calling florists in Austin 457 00:21:44,303 --> 00:21:46,595 to get some lowdown on her. 458 00:21:46,678 --> 00:21:51,553 They'd say, "Yeah, I'd rather not talk about that." 459 00:21:51,637 --> 00:21:54,303 When I get to the eighth florist, 460 00:21:54,386 --> 00:21:56,345 she's pissed. 461 00:21:56,428 --> 00:22:00,595 She said, "You might wanna look into this person. 462 00:22:00,678 --> 00:22:06,053 Not only are her employees not registered, 463 00:22:06,136 --> 00:22:08,303 they're supposed to have a vending license, 464 00:22:08,386 --> 00:22:11,511 but there's something off about this woman." 465 00:22:11,595 --> 00:22:14,553 And I said, "What do you mean 'off'?" 466 00:22:16,094 --> 00:22:18,094 She said, "She's really big. 467 00:22:18,803 --> 00:22:20,845 And she looks like a guy." 468 00:22:23,261 --> 00:22:25,637 ♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 469 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:30,094 ALEX JONES: (ON TV) ...but this transnational socialism for the rich can only fail! 470 00:22:30,178 --> 00:22:31,928 We're gonna defeat these people, 471 00:22:32,011 --> 00:22:34,178 we're gonna turn their lives upside down. 472 00:22:34,261 --> 00:22:36,969 This federal intrusion is out of control, and... 473 00:22:37,053 --> 00:22:39,845 CANDI MICHAEL: And we both would listen to Alex Jones 474 00:22:39,928 --> 00:22:42,845 until he said something stupid like, 475 00:22:42,928 --> 00:22:45,887 "I think it's legitimate to ask for a Social Security number 476 00:22:45,969 --> 00:22:47,511 when you're getting a driver's license 477 00:22:47,595 --> 00:22:49,178 as a means of identification." 478 00:22:49,261 --> 00:22:50,595 Social Security nu-- 479 00:22:50,678 --> 00:22:52,345 There are a whole number of people 480 00:22:52,428 --> 00:22:54,595 who believe, in their heart of hearts, 481 00:22:54,678 --> 00:22:57,345 that government should stay out of the way. 482 00:22:57,428 --> 00:23:00,803 Stay out of my business, don't impose taxes on me, 483 00:23:00,887 --> 00:23:03,011 and stay out of my personal life. 484 00:23:03,094 --> 00:23:06,595 -(TAPE CLICKS) -CARMICHAEL: I don't believe that there should be any laws 485 00:23:06,678 --> 00:23:08,303 giving anybody any rights. 486 00:23:08,386 --> 00:23:10,386 I think rights should be self-inherit. 487 00:23:10,470 --> 00:23:14,637 I think that every human being should have the right to life 488 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,553 and the leading thereof without any interference. 489 00:23:17,637 --> 00:23:21,470 Black, white, yellow, male, female, whatever. 490 00:23:21,553 --> 00:23:23,595 (TAPE CLICKS) 491 00:23:23,678 --> 00:23:26,678 SUSAN STRYKER: Liz Carmichael was a libertarian. 492 00:23:26,762 --> 00:23:31,386 Libertarianism, traditionally, that kind of jibes with 493 00:23:31,470 --> 00:23:33,511 where trans people run into difficulties. 494 00:23:33,595 --> 00:23:36,261 It's not just there's prejudice against trans people, 495 00:23:36,345 --> 00:23:40,386 it's that the state is gendered in ways 496 00:23:40,470 --> 00:23:42,053 we usually don't think about, 497 00:23:42,136 --> 00:23:44,094 based on your birth certificate, 498 00:23:44,178 --> 00:23:45,803 or, you know, your school records, 499 00:23:45,887 --> 00:23:48,553 or your military service, or criminal record. 500 00:23:48,637 --> 00:23:50,136 You know, after you've transitioned, 501 00:23:50,219 --> 00:23:52,219 it's like you don't have a backstory anymore. 502 00:23:52,303 --> 00:23:56,428 You're kind of like a person without a record, in a sense, 503 00:23:56,511 --> 00:23:58,470 uh, which can raise red flags. 504 00:23:59,511 --> 00:24:00,720 It makes sense 505 00:24:00,803 --> 00:24:03,470 that a trans person could be libertarian. 506 00:24:04,845 --> 00:24:07,762 MARK MACCARLEY: She justified everything she did, 507 00:24:07,845 --> 00:24:11,928 including her disdain for regulation, 508 00:24:12,011 --> 00:24:15,428 on Ayn Rand's sort of libertarian view 509 00:24:15,511 --> 00:24:18,386 that less government is better. 510 00:24:20,178 --> 00:24:21,511 (TAPE CLICKS) 511 00:24:21,595 --> 00:24:23,595 REPORTER 4: Any, uh, any favorite authors? 512 00:24:23,678 --> 00:24:25,762 CARMICHAEL: Ayn Rand is my favorite, uh, 513 00:24:25,845 --> 00:24:29,386 basically because of the kindred spirit I see in her. 514 00:24:29,470 --> 00:24:31,969 -REPORTER 4: Atlas Shrugged. -CARMICHAEL: Well, Atlas Shrugged, 515 00:24:32,053 --> 00:24:33,553 and before that, The Fountainhead 516 00:24:33,637 --> 00:24:35,178 and all of her nonfiction stuff. 517 00:24:35,261 --> 00:24:36,136 (TAPE CLICKS) 518 00:24:36,219 --> 00:24:37,637 Atlas Shrugged. Yup. Still have it. 519 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,345 I remember the first time she made me read that book. 520 00:24:40,428 --> 00:24:42,386 I was like... (SNORES) 521 00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:45,928 MACCARLEY: Atlas Shrugged talked about an entrepreneur 522 00:24:46,011 --> 00:24:47,678 who ran a railroad, 523 00:24:47,762 --> 00:24:52,303 and the government took every means available 524 00:24:52,386 --> 00:24:54,136 to destroy her business. 525 00:24:54,219 --> 00:24:59,136 CARMICHAEL: 526 00:24:59,219 --> 00:25:02,094 The Twentieth Century Motor Company. 527 00:25:02,178 --> 00:25:03,720 SANDY STONE: Selfish, you know, 528 00:25:03,803 --> 00:25:06,553 that's the heart of Ayn Rand's philosophy. 529 00:25:07,678 --> 00:25:09,303 You know, you create your reality, 530 00:25:09,386 --> 00:25:11,637 and then you go, "This is my reality, 531 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,053 and I'm gonna force it on the world, 532 00:25:14,136 --> 00:25:16,136 and I'll be me in spite of the fact 533 00:25:16,219 --> 00:25:19,637 that nothing else wants me to be that." 534 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,678 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 535 00:25:21,762 --> 00:25:25,470 Liz had the short-term ability to say, 536 00:25:25,553 --> 00:25:27,094 "This is gonna work." 537 00:25:27,178 --> 00:25:32,011 But it was gonna fail because the world doesn't work that way. 538 00:25:32,094 --> 00:25:34,178 -(CRICKETS CHIRPING) -(TAPE CLICKS) 539 00:25:34,261 --> 00:25:36,720 CARMICHAEL: 540 00:25:50,928 --> 00:25:51,969 (TAPE CLICKS) 541 00:25:54,094 --> 00:25:56,845 (TELEPHONE RINGING) 542 00:25:56,928 --> 00:25:59,136 PEDROZA: I was watching television, and the phone rang. 543 00:25:59,219 --> 00:26:01,178 (RINGING CONTINUES) 544 00:26:01,261 --> 00:26:02,595 I answered the phone. 545 00:26:03,803 --> 00:26:06,720 This person at the other end said that they were with 546 00:26:06,803 --> 00:26:08,345 the Austin American-Statesman, 547 00:26:08,428 --> 00:26:10,720 and they wanted to tell the story 548 00:26:10,803 --> 00:26:12,345 of the flower business. 549 00:26:12,428 --> 00:26:14,470 "Can I ask you a few questions?" 550 00:26:14,553 --> 00:26:17,553 He was just asking all these very basic questions. 551 00:26:17,637 --> 00:26:20,553 "How do you do it? How does the route go?" 552 00:26:20,637 --> 00:26:23,720 And then I answered him as positively as I could. 553 00:26:23,803 --> 00:26:24,928 That was it. 554 00:26:26,303 --> 00:26:27,887 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 555 00:26:27,969 --> 00:26:31,261 MARK LISHERON: I'm now bumping up to my Sunday deadline. 556 00:26:32,678 --> 00:26:34,261 I'd already established that 557 00:26:34,345 --> 00:26:39,928 she's running this rose business based on homeless labor. 558 00:26:40,011 --> 00:26:41,803 Everything is completely off the book. 559 00:26:41,887 --> 00:26:45,011 She's not paying taxes. She's not doing anything. 560 00:26:45,094 --> 00:26:47,345 I've got a hell of a story, 561 00:26:47,428 --> 00:26:51,136 but I know that there is more to it. 562 00:26:51,219 --> 00:26:54,053 I ran a criminal background search. 563 00:26:54,136 --> 00:27:00,261 Through that, I got ahold of an assistant DA in LA. 564 00:27:00,345 --> 00:27:04,887 And he said, "So, you're working on a Liz Carmichael story?" 565 00:27:04,969 --> 00:27:09,428 I said, "Yes," and he said, "Well, get ready, 566 00:27:09,511 --> 00:27:14,887 'cause there is one hell of a story here in California." 567 00:27:14,969 --> 00:27:19,595 And then he unloads this story about the Dale. 568 00:27:22,219 --> 00:27:25,011 I thought to myself, "You are shitting me." 569 00:27:25,595 --> 00:27:26,928 The newsroom is empty. 570 00:27:27,011 --> 00:27:28,845 Everybody's long gone home. 571 00:27:29,678 --> 00:27:32,219 And I am pumping my fist. 572 00:27:32,303 --> 00:27:34,386 I had the story of the year. 573 00:27:35,928 --> 00:27:39,637 It was maybe the biggest thrill I've ever had. 574 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,053 ♪ (MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 575 00:27:47,845 --> 00:27:49,845 MICHAEL: We didn't celebrate Christmas on Christmas day 576 00:27:49,928 --> 00:27:53,303 'cause we worked on Christmas day. 577 00:27:53,386 --> 00:27:55,969 We celebrated Christmas in January. 578 00:27:56,053 --> 00:27:58,219 And the-- her reasoning for that 579 00:27:58,303 --> 00:28:01,511 was that all the sales were in January, 580 00:28:01,595 --> 00:28:04,720 so we'd celebrate Christmas January 25th. 581 00:28:07,053 --> 00:28:08,887 JERI: Even if we didn't have a lot of money 582 00:28:08,969 --> 00:28:11,011 for birthday presents or for Christmas, 583 00:28:11,094 --> 00:28:13,803 Mamaw, in particular, always made sure 584 00:28:13,887 --> 00:28:16,595 that you got something. 585 00:28:16,678 --> 00:28:19,803 The first Christmas party was the fondest memory I have. 586 00:28:21,511 --> 00:28:23,969 She came out of the back and mentioned to me, 587 00:28:24,053 --> 00:28:25,762 said, "John, I just want you to know 588 00:28:25,845 --> 00:28:27,428 that you are part of this family." 589 00:28:27,511 --> 00:28:30,303 And, um, she gave me an envelope. I opened it. 590 00:28:30,386 --> 00:28:32,053 It was a hundred-dollar bill. 591 00:28:33,845 --> 00:28:35,887 She treated her family very well. 592 00:28:40,345 --> 00:28:44,637 JERI: The fact that we were all together all the time, 593 00:28:45,178 --> 00:28:46,470 it was great. 594 00:28:46,553 --> 00:28:50,470 We actually had a sense of security and comfort. 595 00:28:51,969 --> 00:28:53,595 She really did get a good little break, 596 00:28:53,678 --> 00:28:56,303 and then Austin American-Statesman 597 00:28:56,386 --> 00:28:57,553 ruined that for us. 598 00:28:57,637 --> 00:28:59,261 (VEHICLE APPROACHING) 599 00:29:01,803 --> 00:29:03,845 LISHERON: Once I assembled everything, 600 00:29:03,928 --> 00:29:07,303 I decided I needed to go out to the compound 601 00:29:07,386 --> 00:29:10,428 where Liz and her family ran the business. 602 00:29:10,511 --> 00:29:11,887 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 603 00:29:11,969 --> 00:29:14,428 So the photographer and I go out, 604 00:29:14,511 --> 00:29:18,470 and there's this really high fence. 605 00:29:18,553 --> 00:29:21,511 It had to be seven feet tall. 606 00:29:21,595 --> 00:29:24,595 You just couldn't see in 607 00:29:24,678 --> 00:29:27,094 until you came around to the gate. 608 00:29:27,178 --> 00:29:28,887 And the day that we got there, 609 00:29:28,969 --> 00:29:31,053 the gate was halfway open. 610 00:29:32,678 --> 00:29:34,428 I stepped onto the property, 611 00:29:34,511 --> 00:29:39,178 and in the back was a dark blue trailer. 612 00:29:40,969 --> 00:29:43,969 And in the door, I can see somebody who's-- 613 00:29:44,053 --> 00:29:46,470 I mean, basically filling the door. 614 00:29:48,386 --> 00:29:49,928 It's Liz. 615 00:29:50,011 --> 00:29:53,178 She's wearing slippers, a house coat, 616 00:29:53,845 --> 00:29:55,011 the blonde wig, 617 00:29:56,094 --> 00:29:59,720 and right behind her are her two sons. 618 00:29:59,803 --> 00:30:02,887 I tried to get this out, "I'm Mark Lisheron 619 00:30:02,969 --> 00:30:05,303 with the Austin American-Statesman." 620 00:30:05,386 --> 00:30:07,595 And he just-- she, I'm sorry-- 621 00:30:07,678 --> 00:30:10,261 Liz just starts screaming at me. 622 00:30:10,345 --> 00:30:12,053 "Get off my goddamn property, 623 00:30:12,136 --> 00:30:14,969 get off, get out of here, I don't wanna talk to you." 624 00:30:15,053 --> 00:30:20,261 And-- I mean, in this bellowing, threatening voice. 625 00:30:20,887 --> 00:30:22,219 I'll never forget, 626 00:30:23,595 --> 00:30:26,178 she had what looked like a five o'clock shadow. 627 00:30:27,553 --> 00:30:31,803 And-- but-- but she did have, you know, she did have breasts-- 628 00:30:31,887 --> 00:30:34,386 or, I mean, what looked like breasts, 629 00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:36,511 under the, uh, house coat. 630 00:30:36,595 --> 00:30:39,553 It looked like a-- a man masquerading as a woman. 631 00:30:39,637 --> 00:30:41,803 ♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 632 00:30:41,887 --> 00:30:43,553 MICHAEL: Him coming onto the property 633 00:30:43,637 --> 00:30:46,386 to take pictures and be nosy, 634 00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:48,386 he had no business doing that. 635 00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:52,053 There was "No Trespassing" signs everywhere. 636 00:30:52,136 --> 00:30:54,261 But he acted like they weren't there. 637 00:30:55,386 --> 00:30:58,303 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 638 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,428 PEDROZA: When I saw the article, I-- I just was shocked. 639 00:31:07,637 --> 00:31:10,094 The man who interviewed me, Mark Lisheron... 640 00:31:12,219 --> 00:31:14,261 took everything I said out of context. 641 00:31:20,219 --> 00:31:23,803 Never once did I ever have anybody come up and say, 642 00:31:23,887 --> 00:31:24,928 "I am stuck here." 643 00:31:25,011 --> 00:31:27,845 They worked there out of their own free will. 644 00:31:27,928 --> 00:31:30,470 Stayed as long as they wanted to. 645 00:31:32,261 --> 00:31:35,178 People wanna believe that she's an evil person. 646 00:31:36,428 --> 00:31:39,678 If anything, I felt that I was taken into the family. 647 00:31:40,637 --> 00:31:42,386 If I had not met Roadway Flowers, 648 00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:46,178 I would either have been in jail or dead. 649 00:31:46,261 --> 00:31:47,803 And they helped me a lot. 650 00:31:49,303 --> 00:31:51,511 Once that article came out, it was kind of like 651 00:31:51,595 --> 00:31:54,303 the city of Austin found out about her past, 652 00:31:54,386 --> 00:31:57,053 and were trying almost everything they could, 653 00:31:57,136 --> 00:31:59,762 it seemed like, to get her out. 654 00:32:01,053 --> 00:32:03,595 They started giving her code violations. 655 00:32:05,637 --> 00:32:07,219 Even after serving her time, 656 00:32:07,303 --> 00:32:09,511 she never really did live it down. 657 00:32:09,969 --> 00:32:11,928 (RIPPING) 658 00:32:12,011 --> 00:32:15,094 STRYKER: Liz Carmichael was dogged by claims 659 00:32:15,178 --> 00:32:17,261 that she was just pretending to be a woman 660 00:32:17,345 --> 00:32:19,011 in order to get away with fraud. 661 00:32:19,094 --> 00:32:20,762 REPORTER 5: I think most people are interested 662 00:32:20,845 --> 00:32:23,470 in your personal life and your-- your sex change, 663 00:32:23,553 --> 00:32:24,845 to be perfectly candid. 664 00:32:26,178 --> 00:32:29,261 Well, whatever claim to fame I have 665 00:32:29,345 --> 00:32:33,345 is as a producer of automobiles, not as a sex change artist. 666 00:32:33,428 --> 00:32:36,428 STRYKER: Her transness was treated as a spectacle. 667 00:32:36,511 --> 00:32:39,470 Her identity was constantly being called in to question. 668 00:32:40,678 --> 00:32:42,928 But if you looked at what she actually did, 669 00:32:43,011 --> 00:32:44,637 I mean, she lived as a woman 670 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,219 for years and years, for decades. 671 00:32:48,511 --> 00:32:49,511 There's nothing new 672 00:32:49,595 --> 00:32:51,762 about journalists hounding trans people 673 00:32:51,845 --> 00:32:55,303 and exploiting trans stories to sell newspapers or TV ads. 674 00:32:55,386 --> 00:32:58,178 ♪ (RAPID PIANO MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 675 00:33:03,219 --> 00:33:05,595 STRYKER: In England, in 1746, 676 00:33:05,678 --> 00:33:09,261 Charles Hamilton was outed as Mary Hamilton. 677 00:33:09,345 --> 00:33:11,762 -(WHIP CRACKS) -(INDISTINCT JEERING) 678 00:33:11,845 --> 00:33:13,887 STRYKER: He was publicly flogged 679 00:33:13,969 --> 00:33:16,553 in every town that he ever lived in. 680 00:33:19,678 --> 00:33:22,386 He just wanted to lead an anonymous life, 681 00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:25,136 but his visibility as a trans person 682 00:33:25,219 --> 00:33:27,762 -kept attracting attention. -(INDISTINCT WHISPERING) 683 00:33:30,928 --> 00:33:32,011 (CELL DOOR SLAMS) 684 00:33:32,094 --> 00:33:34,553 STRYKER: Though he had not committed any crime, 685 00:33:34,637 --> 00:33:39,136 he was arrested and outed in the press all over again. 686 00:33:40,428 --> 00:33:43,845 There was actually no law against cross-dressing itself, 687 00:33:43,928 --> 00:33:45,678 so Hamilton was let go. 688 00:33:45,762 --> 00:33:48,136 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 689 00:33:48,219 --> 00:33:50,178 It wasn't until the 1840s 690 00:33:50,261 --> 00:33:53,637 that we see a wave of laws all across the US. 691 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,803 that criminalize cross-dressing. 692 00:33:59,553 --> 00:34:02,011 Memphis, Tennessee, passed one of these laws 693 00:34:02,094 --> 00:34:04,386 and used it against a trans woman 694 00:34:04,470 --> 00:34:06,261 named Francis Thompson, 695 00:34:06,345 --> 00:34:09,053 who was arrested in 1876. 696 00:34:10,887 --> 00:34:14,219 Thompson had testified about being raped 697 00:34:14,303 --> 00:34:16,720 by white supremacists, 698 00:34:16,803 --> 00:34:21,094 and the revelation of her transness in the press 699 00:34:21,178 --> 00:34:24,928 was used to discredit that rape testimony. 700 00:34:26,928 --> 00:34:29,094 Because she's viewed by the authorities 701 00:34:29,178 --> 00:34:31,345 as, quote, unquote, "really a man," 702 00:34:31,428 --> 00:34:33,845 therefore, she could not have been raped. 703 00:34:33,928 --> 00:34:36,803 Therefore, her testimony had to be false. 704 00:34:36,887 --> 00:34:41,136 Her transness was explicitly weaponized 705 00:34:41,219 --> 00:34:43,720 and it became a media spectacle. 706 00:34:43,803 --> 00:34:46,178 ♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 707 00:34:46,261 --> 00:34:48,470 When a reporter asked Thompson, 708 00:34:48,553 --> 00:34:52,011 "Why are you a man wearing women's clothes?" 709 00:34:52,094 --> 00:34:55,470 She just says, "It's none of your damn business." 710 00:34:57,219 --> 00:34:58,845 (BLEEP) ...you. 711 00:34:58,928 --> 00:35:00,470 (INDISTINCT CLAMOR) 712 00:35:02,094 --> 00:35:05,720 STRYKER: In the 1940s, trans woman Lucy Hicks Anderson 713 00:35:05,803 --> 00:35:07,928 was accused of fraud, 714 00:35:08,011 --> 00:35:10,345 and when she is put on the witness stand, 715 00:35:10,428 --> 00:35:13,928 she says, "I defy any doctor in the world 716 00:35:14,011 --> 00:35:16,011 to prove that I am not a woman. 717 00:35:16,094 --> 00:35:21,803 I have lived, dressed, acted just as what I am, a woman." 718 00:35:22,595 --> 00:35:24,969 That didn't persuade the court. 719 00:35:25,053 --> 00:35:28,845 She served jail time and was released on probation 720 00:35:28,928 --> 00:35:32,595 on the condition that she dress publicly as a man. 721 00:35:32,678 --> 00:35:34,720 ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 722 00:35:35,637 --> 00:35:36,803 Thirty years later, 723 00:35:36,887 --> 00:35:40,386 despite how Liz Carmichael was treated in the press, 724 00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:44,969 her transness was actually legally recognized in court. 725 00:35:45,053 --> 00:35:48,219 That represents a small measure of progress. 726 00:35:51,386 --> 00:35:55,219 Trans women are widely assumed to be disguising themselves 727 00:35:55,303 --> 00:35:57,845 for some criminal or deviant purpose. 728 00:35:57,928 --> 00:36:00,011 I think many men just have a hard time 729 00:36:00,094 --> 00:36:02,094 wrapping their heads around the idea 730 00:36:02,178 --> 00:36:04,637 that anybody would want to live as a woman. 731 00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:08,178 They perceive womanhood as something inferior. 732 00:36:08,261 --> 00:36:09,969 What we're actually seeing 733 00:36:10,053 --> 00:36:12,762 is nothing about a trans person's life. 734 00:36:12,845 --> 00:36:15,803 What we're seeing is the fragile, 735 00:36:15,887 --> 00:36:17,969 freaked-out perspective of a person 736 00:36:18,053 --> 00:36:21,178 who's been given a platform in the media. 737 00:36:21,261 --> 00:36:22,720 Gerry Liz told another reporter 738 00:36:22,803 --> 00:36:24,303 she would, uh, be willing to be interviewed 739 00:36:24,386 --> 00:36:27,386 by just about anybody but me or producer Pete Noyes. 740 00:36:27,470 --> 00:36:29,720 She, or he, rather, has blamed Noyes and me 741 00:36:29,803 --> 00:36:32,011 for destroying the three-wheel Dale and said... 742 00:36:32,094 --> 00:36:34,178 DICK CARLSON: (IN PRESENT) We ultimately did 27 parts 743 00:36:34,261 --> 00:36:37,637 about Elizabeth Carmichael and the Dale car. 744 00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:40,011 We won the George Foster Peabody Award 745 00:36:40,094 --> 00:36:41,219 the following year 746 00:36:41,303 --> 00:36:43,470 for investigative reporting for this series. 747 00:36:45,219 --> 00:36:47,595 I left television in 1976, 748 00:36:47,678 --> 00:36:49,845 and I ultimately went to Washington 749 00:36:49,928 --> 00:36:51,386 with the Reagan administration 750 00:36:51,470 --> 00:36:52,803 as the head of the Voice for America. 751 00:36:52,887 --> 00:36:54,511 But in the meantime, I did worry. 752 00:36:54,595 --> 00:36:58,386 Mrs. Carmichael is a fugitive during much of this time. 753 00:36:58,470 --> 00:37:02,136 I had a briefcase with a piece of bulletproof metal 754 00:37:02,219 --> 00:37:04,470 put on the inside cover of the briefcase. 755 00:37:04,553 --> 00:37:07,386 I also had a gun permit and a pistol. 756 00:37:07,470 --> 00:37:10,094 I kept the briefcase on my desk open. 757 00:37:11,094 --> 00:37:13,219 And if she ever came barging into my office, 758 00:37:13,303 --> 00:37:14,511 I was gonna shoot her. 759 00:37:14,595 --> 00:37:16,386 It was that kind of paranoia. 760 00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:17,803 Justified or not, I'm not sure. 761 00:37:19,678 --> 00:37:21,762 TUCKER CARLSON: This is my father, Dick Carlson, 762 00:37:21,845 --> 00:37:23,928 from his days as a reporter. 763 00:37:24,011 --> 00:37:25,470 My father was in journalism, 764 00:37:25,553 --> 00:37:27,011 which is why I got into journalism. 765 00:37:27,094 --> 00:37:29,720 My father was the most interesting, funny, 766 00:37:29,803 --> 00:37:31,845 truly independent thinker I'd ever met, 767 00:37:31,928 --> 00:37:33,011 and still have ever met, 768 00:37:33,094 --> 00:37:35,261 and I attempted to emulate him in all those ways. 769 00:37:35,345 --> 00:37:38,803 If I were to decide tomorrow that I was a 47-year-old woman, 770 00:37:38,887 --> 00:37:41,678 should I be allowed to go shower in a women's locker room? 771 00:37:41,762 --> 00:37:43,386 What prevents me from getting convicted of a felony 772 00:37:43,470 --> 00:37:45,011 and demanding to go to women's prison? 773 00:37:45,094 --> 00:37:46,762 You know, a lot of people have asked me if we have an obsession 774 00:37:46,845 --> 00:37:48,511 -here on Eyewitness News Wants To Know. -COHOST: Do we? 775 00:37:48,595 --> 00:37:50,136 No, we really don't. 776 00:37:50,219 --> 00:37:52,219 ...that men and women are very different from one another in some key ways. 777 00:37:52,303 --> 00:37:54,595 -They look different... -...former Mrs. Carmichael, nothing has been heard of her-- 778 00:37:54,678 --> 00:37:56,386 him-- since he disappeared a couple of months ago. 779 00:37:56,470 --> 00:37:58,928 ...different interests, and so forth and so on. 780 00:37:59,011 --> 00:38:01,386 It does seem like a boutique issue 781 00:38:01,470 --> 00:38:05,261 of particular concern to people from certain zip codes, 782 00:38:05,345 --> 00:38:07,511 income levels, education levels. 783 00:38:07,595 --> 00:38:09,803 I mean, it's-- it-- it's kind of a-- 784 00:38:09,887 --> 00:38:11,720 an issue for rich people, is it not? 785 00:38:11,803 --> 00:38:14,595 MEGHAN MURPHY: I consider it a totally academic issue. 786 00:38:14,678 --> 00:38:16,219 -TUCKER: Yes. MURPHY: So, you know, 787 00:38:16,303 --> 00:38:20,136 people who are in universities are privileged people, um, 788 00:38:20,219 --> 00:38:22,928 in North America, people who, you know, 789 00:38:23,011 --> 00:38:25,969 exist in academia are, of course, 790 00:38:26,053 --> 00:38:29,219 gonna be mostly middle and upper-class people. 791 00:38:29,303 --> 00:38:31,136 This whole concept of transgenderism 792 00:38:31,219 --> 00:38:34,803 and gender identity was really invented within academia. 793 00:38:34,887 --> 00:38:38,803 Nobody in the general population really believes these ideas. 794 00:38:38,887 --> 00:38:40,637 (CROWD CHEERING) 795 00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:43,053 LARRY MADOWO: People tend to think this is a Western kind of ideal. 796 00:38:43,136 --> 00:38:45,678 Somebody from Kiambu doesn't decide to change their gender. 797 00:38:45,762 --> 00:38:48,678 It's not an issue of a Western-- the West or anything. 798 00:38:48,762 --> 00:38:52,511 The fact is transsexual people have been part of this society. 799 00:38:52,595 --> 00:38:54,678 See this? We want so many things. 800 00:38:54,762 --> 00:38:56,637 There's so many things, like social acceptance. 801 00:38:56,720 --> 00:38:58,053 So I feel the fight is still on, like, 802 00:38:58,136 --> 00:39:00,178 we aren't going to back off. No going back. Never. 803 00:39:00,261 --> 00:39:02,136 ♪ ("TRANSGENDER DYSPHORIA BLUES" BY AGAINST ME! PLAYING) ♪ 804 00:39:02,219 --> 00:39:05,053 RICHARDS: I am not something to be exploited. 805 00:39:05,136 --> 00:39:07,053 I'm an individual with a family 806 00:39:07,136 --> 00:39:10,094 and with feelings, and with the same rights 807 00:39:10,178 --> 00:39:12,969 to privacy and ordinary human decency 808 00:39:13,053 --> 00:39:14,553 that everybody else is entitled. 809 00:39:14,637 --> 00:39:16,345 ♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 810 00:39:16,428 --> 00:39:18,803 REPORTER 6: Because of your-- of your sexual situation? 811 00:39:18,887 --> 00:39:21,969 I think that the publicity attended to this case 812 00:39:22,053 --> 00:39:23,762 would not have been as great as it was 813 00:39:23,845 --> 00:39:25,303 had I not been a transsexual. 814 00:39:25,386 --> 00:39:28,011 STRYKER: Stories like Liz's have always been picked up 815 00:39:28,094 --> 00:39:30,470 by the press, and those representations 816 00:39:30,553 --> 00:39:33,219 have always been contested by trans people. 817 00:39:33,303 --> 00:39:34,553 ♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 818 00:39:34,637 --> 00:39:36,887 I don't have to prove to anyone or myself that I'm a woman. 819 00:39:36,969 --> 00:39:37,928 I am a woman. 820 00:39:38,011 --> 00:39:39,969 REPORTER 7: Why, for example, did you decide 821 00:39:40,053 --> 00:39:42,470 to pose as a woman in this transaction? 822 00:39:42,553 --> 00:39:44,261 Well, it wasn't in this transaction. 823 00:39:44,345 --> 00:39:45,845 I'm a transsexual. 824 00:39:45,928 --> 00:39:47,969 STRYKER: One of the things that's changed in the world 825 00:39:48,053 --> 00:39:50,428 since Liz's time is that the trans movement 826 00:39:50,511 --> 00:39:54,053 has amplified the possibility for telling a different story. 827 00:39:54,136 --> 00:39:57,136 ♪ You want them to see you Like they see every other girl ♪ 828 00:39:57,219 --> 00:39:59,428 ♪ They just see a faggot ♪ 829 00:39:59,511 --> 00:40:01,094 ♪ Hold their breath Not to catch the sick... ♪ 830 00:40:01,178 --> 00:40:02,261 I think it's about time 831 00:40:02,345 --> 00:40:04,969 that gay brothers and sisters got their rights. 832 00:40:05,053 --> 00:40:07,219 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 833 00:40:07,303 --> 00:40:10,094 ♪ (LOW MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 834 00:40:13,303 --> 00:40:15,345 STRYKER: What might Liz's life have been like 835 00:40:15,428 --> 00:40:19,011 if she was born a couple of decades later? 836 00:40:19,094 --> 00:40:21,219 Maybe if the world had been a different place, 837 00:40:21,303 --> 00:40:23,178 she could have been a different person. 838 00:40:23,261 --> 00:40:25,887 You know, I-- I like to think that, um... 839 00:40:25,969 --> 00:40:27,969 that that could be true. 840 00:40:28,053 --> 00:40:31,053 ♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 841 00:40:37,053 --> 00:40:41,470 STONE: Liz was the successful entrepreneur. 842 00:40:41,553 --> 00:40:42,720 Not only that, 843 00:40:42,803 --> 00:40:46,678 but the successful woman entrepreneur. 844 00:40:49,969 --> 00:40:54,345 She pumped herself up at every opportunity. 845 00:40:56,345 --> 00:41:00,762 She presented herself as the greatest, the best, 846 00:41:00,845 --> 00:41:03,261 the "I'm going to conquer the world. 847 00:41:03,345 --> 00:41:07,428 I'm going to build a multimillion-dollar company. 848 00:41:07,511 --> 00:41:11,762 I am the most wonderful and the most outstanding." 849 00:41:11,845 --> 00:41:14,595 Uh, you catch things on the-- the rising tide, 850 00:41:14,678 --> 00:41:16,595 you're doomed to success. 851 00:41:17,219 --> 00:41:18,470 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 852 00:41:18,553 --> 00:41:22,470 Behind that, I have an image of her going, 853 00:41:22,553 --> 00:41:24,762 "Oh my God. What am I gonna do? 854 00:41:24,845 --> 00:41:26,386 I have to keep up this front. 855 00:41:26,470 --> 00:41:30,637 I have to convince people that I can really do this stuff. 856 00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:35,637 I can really just be stable in the world 857 00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:42,219 and find some way to hang on to a kind of a tenuous reality." 858 00:41:42,303 --> 00:41:44,637 And she worked very hard at it. 859 00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:48,470 And she was very good at it for a period of time. 860 00:41:48,553 --> 00:41:51,428 And maybe you can only be good at it 861 00:41:51,511 --> 00:41:53,053 for a period of time. 862 00:41:57,470 --> 00:41:59,345 Maybe that's all you get. 863 00:41:59,428 --> 00:42:01,595 ♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 864 00:42:01,678 --> 00:42:03,553 (BIRDS CHIRPING) 865 00:42:04,928 --> 00:42:07,261 ♪ (QUIET MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 866 00:42:07,345 --> 00:42:11,386 -(TAPE CLICKS) -CARMICHAEL: 867 00:42:23,261 --> 00:42:24,428 (TAPE CLICKS) 868 00:42:25,762 --> 00:42:27,470 As she aged, you know, 869 00:42:27,553 --> 00:42:30,011 there was no money for special doctors. 870 00:42:30,094 --> 00:42:31,928 You can't go on hormones anymore. 871 00:42:32,011 --> 00:42:35,637 I used to go to Mexico to get her diabetes medicine 872 00:42:35,720 --> 00:42:37,553 because we couldn't afford it here. 873 00:42:37,637 --> 00:42:40,386 And then they changed the laws about going to Mexico, 874 00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:44,094 so I couldn't go get cheap diabetic medicine anymore. 875 00:42:44,178 --> 00:42:46,969 She got sicker and sicker. 876 00:42:47,053 --> 00:42:51,637 But it wasn't all... because of the hip. 877 00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:52,969 She also had cancer. 878 00:42:54,511 --> 00:42:56,386 It took her a while to get it looked at 879 00:42:56,470 --> 00:42:57,511 and get it taken care of, 880 00:42:57,595 --> 00:42:59,178 and by the time she got it taken care of, 881 00:42:59,261 --> 00:43:00,969 it was melanoma in her nose. 882 00:43:02,845 --> 00:43:05,219 She'd always wanted the business to go on. 883 00:43:05,303 --> 00:43:08,887 "If I'm laying in bed sick, everything is to keep going." 884 00:43:08,969 --> 00:43:10,011 So that's what I did. 885 00:43:10,094 --> 00:43:11,969 I just kept putting the route out, 886 00:43:12,053 --> 00:43:14,887 and I'd hurry back to the house as quick as I could, 887 00:43:14,969 --> 00:43:16,553 and stay there with her. 888 00:43:16,637 --> 00:43:17,803 (INDISTINCT WHISPERING) 889 00:43:17,928 --> 00:43:22,178 JERI: As time went by, she refused to get out of bed. 890 00:43:24,219 --> 00:43:26,553 And then slowly wouldn't wake up. 891 00:43:29,136 --> 00:43:30,720 Like, nobody knew what to do, 892 00:43:30,803 --> 00:43:33,470 and so EMS came and picked her up. 893 00:43:33,553 --> 00:43:35,511 And then come to find out she was in, like, 894 00:43:35,595 --> 00:43:37,011 a diabetic shock. 895 00:43:38,178 --> 00:43:39,511 It was really quick. 896 00:43:40,845 --> 00:43:41,803 Got admitted, 897 00:43:41,887 --> 00:43:44,428 and she passed away the same day. 898 00:43:44,511 --> 00:43:46,345 We didn't have the money to bury her or anything, 899 00:43:46,428 --> 00:43:48,928 but one of the things that she said was, 900 00:43:49,011 --> 00:43:50,428 "If I ever die, 901 00:43:50,511 --> 00:43:53,261 uh, just throw my body in a ditch somewhere. 902 00:43:53,345 --> 00:43:55,887 Don't waste any money on a funeral." 903 00:43:57,845 --> 00:43:59,345 We didn't know what we were gonna do, 904 00:43:59,428 --> 00:44:01,261 and the guy-- social worker or whatever, 905 00:44:01,345 --> 00:44:05,178 came in from the hospital and started making suggestions. 906 00:44:05,887 --> 00:44:07,637 We donated her body to science, 907 00:44:07,720 --> 00:44:10,637 which I thought was a fantastic idea, 908 00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:13,386 uh, 'cause she-- she had several cancers. 909 00:44:13,470 --> 00:44:16,887 She had skin cancer, throat cancer. 910 00:44:16,969 --> 00:44:18,178 And so between that 911 00:44:18,261 --> 00:44:20,345 and it being a transgender person, 912 00:44:20,428 --> 00:44:22,928 it was like the prime thing would be, of course, 913 00:44:23,011 --> 00:44:26,094 to let them learn off of her. 914 00:44:26,178 --> 00:44:29,511 ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 915 00:44:30,553 --> 00:44:32,470 JERI: When she passed, the communication 916 00:44:32,553 --> 00:44:35,094 between family members has diminished 917 00:44:35,178 --> 00:44:38,762 just tremendously from what it was when she was alive. 918 00:44:42,011 --> 00:44:44,094 Like, she would be disappointed in us 919 00:44:44,178 --> 00:44:48,553 that we're not as close-knit as we once were. 920 00:44:48,637 --> 00:44:50,969 (BIRDS CHIRPING) 921 00:44:54,261 --> 00:44:56,511 ♪ (SORROWFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 922 00:44:56,595 --> 00:45:00,386 MICHAEL: Everywhere we moved, it was always in the living room 923 00:45:00,470 --> 00:45:04,678 or an office, but it was always displayed. 924 00:45:04,762 --> 00:45:06,511 It was like one of the family photos. 925 00:45:06,595 --> 00:45:08,928 -Yeah. (CHUCKLES) -The whole time we were moving 926 00:45:09,011 --> 00:45:10,470 from place to place. 927 00:45:12,595 --> 00:45:14,136 She was very proud of... 928 00:45:15,553 --> 00:45:18,136 very proud of what she'd accomplished with it. 929 00:45:23,136 --> 00:45:26,178 -(TAPE CLICKS) -CARMICHAEL: 930 00:45:30,178 --> 00:45:31,386 (TAPE CLICKS) 931 00:45:31,470 --> 00:45:33,511 LESLIE KENDALL: There were three-wheelers before, 932 00:45:33,595 --> 00:45:37,553 but the Dale is important to automotive history 933 00:45:37,637 --> 00:45:39,595 because of everything it wasn't, 934 00:45:39,678 --> 00:45:42,637 because of all the unfulfilled promises, 935 00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:47,136 the dreams that the people behind it never realized. 936 00:45:48,887 --> 00:45:50,261 It's up there on the left. 937 00:45:51,178 --> 00:45:53,136 -Yeah. -Oh, that's it. 938 00:45:53,511 --> 00:45:55,637 Wow. 939 00:45:55,720 --> 00:45:57,762 -JOHN GRIFFITHS: Go ahead. -HANS HANSSON: See if I can get in. 940 00:45:57,845 --> 00:45:59,386 GRIFFITHS: Don't-- don't roll it now, Hans. 941 00:45:59,470 --> 00:46:00,511 HANSSON: Yeah. 942 00:46:02,969 --> 00:46:03,969 (GRUNTS) 943 00:46:05,136 --> 00:46:07,511 HANSSON: Everybody at the time 944 00:46:07,595 --> 00:46:10,637 believed this vehicle was something. 945 00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:13,219 Real working-world people 946 00:46:13,303 --> 00:46:16,136 who believed that one day, 947 00:46:16,219 --> 00:46:18,845 this might just come true. 948 00:46:19,678 --> 00:46:22,845 ♪ (QUIET MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 949 00:46:29,511 --> 00:46:31,261 So, this is, uh, 950 00:46:31,345 --> 00:46:34,511 one of the airbrushings of, uh, the Dale. 951 00:46:34,595 --> 00:46:37,887 And I wanted to inspire people, so when they walked in, 952 00:46:37,969 --> 00:46:40,845 they would be proud of it, they'd look at this and say, 953 00:46:40,928 --> 00:46:42,386 "I wanna be part of this." 954 00:46:43,219 --> 00:46:45,678 ♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 955 00:46:47,386 --> 00:46:49,762 GREG LEAS: It was a tragedy in a lot of ways. 956 00:46:52,553 --> 00:46:54,011 If everything would've went well, 957 00:46:54,094 --> 00:46:58,845 we would all be living different lives right now. 958 00:47:00,428 --> 00:47:02,762 ♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 959 00:47:04,386 --> 00:47:08,803 This wasn't just a bunch of guys screwing around. 960 00:47:08,887 --> 00:47:10,803 We had our hearts and souls into it. 961 00:47:10,887 --> 00:47:13,720 Nobody believes that, doesn't seem like, but... 962 00:47:15,720 --> 00:47:16,887 it was true. 963 00:47:18,887 --> 00:47:22,595 We were always that way... thanks to Liz. 964 00:47:23,428 --> 00:47:25,595 ♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 965 00:47:27,219 --> 00:47:29,011 KENDALL: Liz didn't understand 966 00:47:29,094 --> 00:47:31,928 that she was taking on an awful lot. 967 00:47:32,011 --> 00:47:36,637 She was trying to do in a span of a few months 968 00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:40,094 what Detroit had spent decades perfecting. 969 00:47:40,178 --> 00:47:43,803 She just did not realize how complicated it was gonna be 970 00:47:43,887 --> 00:47:46,178 to see something like this through. 971 00:47:46,261 --> 00:47:47,386 (TAPE CLICKS) 972 00:47:47,470 --> 00:47:50,136 CARMICHAEL: Uh, we're a one-person operation here. 973 00:47:50,219 --> 00:47:52,928 Uh, I make all the major decisions. 974 00:47:53,011 --> 00:47:56,094 And, uh, if they're good, I have to take credit for it. 975 00:47:56,178 --> 00:47:57,887 If they're bad, I have to take the blame. 976 00:47:57,969 --> 00:47:59,178 (TAPE CLICKS) 977 00:47:59,261 --> 00:48:03,094 MIA YAMAMOTO: Liz is trying to justify what is done 978 00:48:03,178 --> 00:48:05,803 by saying there shouldn't be these laws. 979 00:48:05,887 --> 00:48:08,678 Unfortunately, we all must abide by the law 980 00:48:08,762 --> 00:48:11,178 whether we like it or not. 981 00:48:11,261 --> 00:48:15,303 CANDI: Liz broke laws, and should have been prosecuted. 982 00:48:15,386 --> 00:48:19,303 However, I think the way things went down was wrong. 983 00:48:19,386 --> 00:48:24,053 I mean, it reminds me of how many big corporations 984 00:48:24,136 --> 00:48:26,803 lie about things and get away with it. 985 00:48:28,762 --> 00:48:30,969 RON ABRAMS: Think of the cigarette companies. 986 00:48:31,053 --> 00:48:34,219 They lied about the danger of cigarettes, 987 00:48:34,303 --> 00:48:36,553 caused millions of people to die. 988 00:48:36,637 --> 00:48:40,511 Not one cigarette executive was ever criminally prosecuted. 989 00:48:41,678 --> 00:48:44,178 Liz lied about a car. 990 00:48:44,261 --> 00:48:46,928 People lost money, not their lives, 991 00:48:47,595 --> 00:48:49,637 and she got put in prison. 992 00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:52,595 ♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 993 00:48:52,678 --> 00:48:55,553 MICHAEL: I just don't talk about my past. 994 00:48:55,637 --> 00:48:57,511 Don't talk about growing up. 995 00:48:59,637 --> 00:49:02,303 You know, I tell them I'm from California 996 00:49:02,386 --> 00:49:04,178 and leave it at that. 997 00:49:05,345 --> 00:49:07,928 And I tell them that we traveled a lot. 998 00:49:08,011 --> 00:49:10,595 We were constantly moving all over the place. 999 00:49:10,678 --> 00:49:12,511 But I don't tell them why. 1000 00:49:13,720 --> 00:49:16,261 CANDI: I would say that I was a cynic 1001 00:49:16,345 --> 00:49:18,136 by the time I was three. 1002 00:49:18,219 --> 00:49:21,053 I never believed anything for the rest of my life. 1003 00:49:22,637 --> 00:49:26,345 When I was born, I was born under a fictitious name, 1004 00:49:26,428 --> 00:49:29,762 as were each of the children born after me. 1005 00:49:29,845 --> 00:49:33,845 So to this day, we aren't legitimate citizens. 1006 00:49:33,928 --> 00:49:37,345 It-- it's funny how one screw-up in your youth 1007 00:49:37,428 --> 00:49:40,178 can affect people for generations. 1008 00:49:42,553 --> 00:49:46,053 MICHAEL: I-- It's been hell. It-- it's... 1009 00:49:47,053 --> 00:49:48,470 It's still hard. 1010 00:49:48,553 --> 00:49:51,720 I can't fill out a job application to this day. 1011 00:49:56,428 --> 00:49:58,762 JERI: My Mamaw was the person I've looked up to 1012 00:49:58,845 --> 00:50:00,845 most in this world over anybody, 1013 00:50:00,928 --> 00:50:02,470 and Mamaw, I felt like, 1014 00:50:02,553 --> 00:50:04,720 provided me with so much knowledge 1015 00:50:04,803 --> 00:50:08,845 to actually live and survive in this world. 1016 00:50:08,928 --> 00:50:11,053 Everybody always asks those people that question, 1017 00:50:11,136 --> 00:50:13,887 "If you could talk to one person in heaven," 1018 00:50:13,969 --> 00:50:16,511 you know, "just for an hour, who would it be?" 1019 00:50:16,595 --> 00:50:19,637 And I'm sorry, Dad... (CHUCKLES) 1020 00:50:19,720 --> 00:50:21,470 ...but even with my dad having passed, 1021 00:50:21,553 --> 00:50:23,428 I would-- I'd still choose my Mamaw. 1022 00:50:25,136 --> 00:50:28,053 STRYKER: Liz Carmichael is not an easy person 1023 00:50:28,136 --> 00:50:29,720 for us to think of as a role model. 1024 00:50:29,803 --> 00:50:32,345 Today, there's a lot of desire on the part of trans people 1025 00:50:32,428 --> 00:50:34,928 to have some very positive representation 1026 00:50:35,011 --> 00:50:37,345 'cause we've had such bad representation 1027 00:50:37,428 --> 00:50:38,511 in media in the past. 1028 00:50:38,595 --> 00:50:40,678 There's this-- this hunger to see a life 1029 00:50:40,762 --> 00:50:43,136 that you could aspire to-- to emulate, 1030 00:50:43,219 --> 00:50:45,803 and I don't know that that's Liz Carmichael's life. 1031 00:50:45,887 --> 00:50:48,887 ♪ ("ANY OTHER WAY" BY JACKIE SHANE PLAYING) ♪ 1032 00:50:48,969 --> 00:50:51,928 But, at a deeper level, I mean, there's something 1033 00:50:52,011 --> 00:50:55,887 that's really compelling about Liz's story as a survivor. 1034 00:50:55,969 --> 00:51:00,803 She survived as a trans woman for decades, 1035 00:51:00,887 --> 00:51:02,887 and there's something to be said, I think, 1036 00:51:02,969 --> 00:51:07,136 for that kind of grittiness that just kind of kept her 1037 00:51:07,219 --> 00:51:09,219 putting one foot in front of the other. 1038 00:51:09,303 --> 00:51:12,219 This person transitioned into a completely 1039 00:51:12,303 --> 00:51:14,762 unaccepting and unaccommodating world. 1040 00:51:14,845 --> 00:51:17,011 They were forced to forge their own path 1041 00:51:17,094 --> 00:51:19,011 by any means they could. 1042 00:51:19,094 --> 00:51:21,678 And that is exactly what Liz Carmichael did. 1043 00:51:21,762 --> 00:51:24,053 And to fight through it and continue with it 1044 00:51:24,136 --> 00:51:26,345 required amazing resilience. 1045 00:51:26,428 --> 00:51:29,386 And therefore, a person who went through transition 1046 00:51:29,470 --> 00:51:33,553 in the 1970s was, in their own way, 1047 00:51:33,637 --> 00:51:35,470 extraordinarily heroic. 1048 00:51:37,345 --> 00:51:39,803 STONE: What the press says you are, 1049 00:51:39,887 --> 00:51:42,511 what the anti-feminists say you are, 1050 00:51:42,595 --> 00:51:47,219 what the transphobes say you are doesn't matter 1051 00:51:47,303 --> 00:51:50,345 because you are who you are. 1052 00:51:51,678 --> 00:51:54,303 And it happened that, years later, 1053 00:51:54,386 --> 00:51:58,720 Liz, in fact, was still Liz. 1054 00:51:58,803 --> 00:52:02,803 If Liz had been a man masquerading as a woman, 1055 00:52:02,887 --> 00:52:05,178 what-- whatever that means, 1056 00:52:05,261 --> 00:52:06,762 we would have known, 1057 00:52:06,845 --> 00:52:10,511 because that's who Liz would have become. 1058 00:52:10,595 --> 00:52:13,136 But Liz didn't become that. 1059 00:52:13,219 --> 00:52:18,678 Liz did not become anything other than Liz. 1060 00:52:18,762 --> 00:52:21,845 Liz was always Liz. 1061 00:52:22,887 --> 00:52:24,637 And that's all that matters. 1062 00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:26,969 ♪ (SONG CONTINUES) ♪ 1063 00:52:27,053 --> 00:52:30,303 CANDI: The woman was a woman. The car was a car. 1064 00:52:30,386 --> 00:52:32,803 If Liz could write her story, 1065 00:52:32,887 --> 00:52:38,511 she would write the story about how... she tried. 1066 00:52:38,595 --> 00:52:41,053 She'd say she tried to save a nation 1067 00:52:41,136 --> 00:52:42,803 when it was shut down by the government. 1068 00:52:42,887 --> 00:52:44,011 That's how she'd say it. 1069 00:52:44,094 --> 00:52:47,720 Like I said, Liz was bigger than life. 1070 00:52:47,803 --> 00:52:51,637 I think she'd wanna be remembered as a kinder person 1071 00:52:51,720 --> 00:52:56,303 and not just somebody that maybe was out to get a buck, you know? 1072 00:52:56,386 --> 00:52:58,803 And I think that the car would have been a success. 1073 00:52:58,887 --> 00:53:01,219 And I think she would want me to say that... 1074 00:53:02,511 --> 00:53:04,428 "We were gonna build the car. 1075 00:53:04,511 --> 00:53:05,845 Tell them that." 1076 00:53:05,928 --> 00:53:07,969 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1077 00:53:08,053 --> 00:53:11,678 CARMICHAEL: 1975, letter from prison. 1078 00:53:11,762 --> 00:53:15,678 Dear Roberta, when you sit in a place like this 1079 00:53:15,762 --> 00:53:17,928 day after day, alone, 1080 00:53:18,011 --> 00:53:21,803 it sometimes seems like the whole world is against you. 1081 00:53:21,887 --> 00:53:24,345 After a while, if you don't crack up, 1082 00:53:24,428 --> 00:53:25,887 you begin to be bitter. 1083 00:53:25,969 --> 00:53:29,511 Then along comes a letter from someone you care about, 1084 00:53:29,595 --> 00:53:31,845 and the whole insulated wall 1085 00:53:31,928 --> 00:53:34,136 you've built around yourself crumbles. 1086 00:53:34,219 --> 00:53:37,470 ♪ (INSPIRING MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1087 00:53:38,595 --> 00:53:40,845 Do I sound morbid and morose? 1088 00:53:40,928 --> 00:53:42,845 Well, sometimes I am. 1089 00:53:42,969 --> 00:53:44,969 But, mostly, I'm just fretful 1090 00:53:45,053 --> 00:53:47,720 because of the time I'm wasting here 1091 00:53:47,803 --> 00:53:51,553 while there is so much I want to be doing out there. 1092 00:53:51,637 --> 00:53:53,053 Starting another company 1093 00:53:53,136 --> 00:53:55,511 and trying to change those things in the world 1094 00:53:55,595 --> 00:53:57,178 that I can't accept. 1095 00:53:57,261 --> 00:53:58,720 ♪ (MUSIC SWELLS) ♪ 1096 00:53:58,803 --> 00:54:01,553 You wondered if this would change me any. 1097 00:54:01,637 --> 00:54:02,969 I think not. 1098 00:54:03,762 --> 00:54:06,219 In a way, it may be a blessing. 1099 00:54:06,303 --> 00:54:08,219 ♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 1100 00:54:08,303 --> 00:54:11,011 It has given me time to think out some ideas 1101 00:54:11,094 --> 00:54:15,178 that had been fuzzily rattling around in my head for years. 1102 00:54:15,261 --> 00:54:17,845 I have time to lay plans properly 1103 00:54:17,928 --> 00:54:21,178 for bigger and more important things in the future. 1104 00:54:22,845 --> 00:54:24,345 See, I haven't changed. 1105 00:54:24,428 --> 00:54:27,303 I still have visions of grandeur. 1106 00:54:28,470 --> 00:54:31,595 As for it changing my personality, 1107 00:54:31,678 --> 00:54:33,345 I don't think it will. 1108 00:54:36,678 --> 00:54:39,261 Most people think I'm an egomaniac 1109 00:54:39,345 --> 00:54:41,261 and a hard-hearted bitch. 1110 00:54:41,345 --> 00:54:44,803 And I suppose I am, except with those I care for. 1111 00:54:45,678 --> 00:54:47,011 ♪ (MUSIC QUIETS) ♪ 1112 00:54:47,094 --> 00:54:48,762 I expect that this experience 1113 00:54:48,845 --> 00:54:51,803 will just make me more of what I am. 1114 00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:55,470 Those that I love, I will love more. 1115 00:54:57,678 --> 00:55:01,553 Those that I hate, I will learn to hate better. 1116 00:55:03,428 --> 00:55:06,386 What I have done so far was only practice 1117 00:55:06,470 --> 00:55:08,762 for the things I intend to do in the future, 1118 00:55:08,845 --> 00:55:11,470 when the future decides to hold still long enough 1119 00:55:11,553 --> 00:55:13,053 for me to catch up. 1120 00:55:15,345 --> 00:55:17,553 I'm sure of one thing. 1121 00:55:17,637 --> 00:55:21,178 The world will know my name before I'm through. 1122 00:55:21,928 --> 00:55:23,762 ♪ (MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1123 00:55:23,845 --> 00:55:26,845 ♪ In the dark night, turning ♪ 1124 00:55:26,928 --> 00:55:30,261 ♪ Beneath the star fields Burning ♪ 1125 00:55:31,428 --> 00:55:36,261 ♪ I see the ones I see the ones ahead ♪ 1126 00:55:37,511 --> 00:55:40,637 ♪ Circling on the river ♪ 1127 00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:44,053 ♪ Around the teacher The giver ♪ 1128 00:55:45,219 --> 00:55:46,845 ♪ I see their hearts ♪ 1129 00:55:46,928 --> 00:55:50,345 ♪ And all the fear They've shared ♪ 1130 00:55:50,428 --> 00:55:52,928 ♪ They beckon me, come ♪ 1131 00:55:53,595 --> 00:55:56,261 ♪ Love can redeem ♪ 1132 00:55:56,803 --> 00:55:59,928 ♪ Life is an art ♪ 1133 00:56:00,011 --> 00:56:05,470 ♪ You have a part That's yours to play ♪ 1134 00:56:05,553 --> 00:56:10,428 ♪ Come, show us your dreams ♪ 1135 00:56:10,511 --> 00:56:13,595 ♪ Life needs your hand ♪ 1136 00:56:13,678 --> 00:56:19,345 ♪ To do what you can In your own way ♪ 1137 00:56:19,428 --> 00:56:22,845 ♪ This world Is our combined imagination ♪ 1138 00:56:22,928 --> 00:56:26,386 ♪ Your life A precious personal creation ♪ 1139 00:56:26,470 --> 00:56:27,887 ♪ What have you learned? ♪ 1140 00:56:27,969 --> 00:56:32,511 ♪ What blessings earned? They say ♪ 1141 00:56:41,845 --> 00:56:44,303 ♪ (SONG CONCLUDES) ♪