1 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:12,542 (FILM CREW CLAMORING) 2 00:00:12,625 --> 00:00:15,125 -CREW 1: Jess, it's this way. -JESSICA CHASTAIN: Oh, sorry. 3 00:00:16,417 --> 00:00:18,500 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 4 00:00:18,583 --> 00:00:20,291 CREW 1: What time are you thinking for lunch? 5 00:00:20,375 --> 00:00:22,667 -JESSICA: Uh, one, maybe? -CREW 1: Okay. 6 00:00:22,750 --> 00:00:24,166 CREW 2: Hey. 7 00:00:27,375 --> 00:00:28,500 JESSICA: Yeah? 8 00:00:28,583 --> 00:00:30,375 CREW 2: Yeah, I know, it looks just great. Love it. 9 00:00:30,458 --> 00:00:33,333 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 10 00:00:38,542 --> 00:00:40,375 JESSICA: Hey. Here you go. Thanks. 11 00:00:41,417 --> 00:00:44,375 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 12 00:00:48,500 --> 00:00:49,625 Hi. Thanks. 13 00:00:49,709 --> 00:00:51,125 You're welcome. 14 00:00:54,583 --> 00:00:56,709 DIRECTOR: Quiet, please, everyone. Hey. 15 00:00:56,792 --> 00:00:58,959 -Standby to roll, guys. -JESSICA: Okay. 16 00:00:59,041 --> 00:01:00,208 (BELL RINGS) 17 00:01:00,291 --> 00:01:02,000 CREW 4: Okay. That's it. 18 00:01:02,083 --> 00:01:03,625 DIRECTOR: Let's get slate in. 19 00:01:04,625 --> 00:01:05,583 Here you go. 20 00:01:05,667 --> 00:01:07,583 DIRECTOR: And action! 21 00:01:07,667 --> 00:01:09,500 (SILENCE) 22 00:01:10,917 --> 00:01:14,375 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 23 00:01:16,834 --> 00:01:18,166 (MESSAGE SENT) 24 00:01:19,709 --> 00:01:21,667 (BIRDS CHIRPING) 25 00:02:05,834 --> 00:02:08,875 (JONATHAN SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY) 26 00:02:08,959 --> 00:02:11,583 JESSICA: Hey, I'm just gonna check on her. 27 00:02:11,667 --> 00:02:14,250 WALLACE: (ON IPAD) I've never seen anything like it! 28 00:02:15,583 --> 00:02:17,500 Heavens above, Gromit! 29 00:02:17,583 --> 00:02:20,625 (SIGHS) Hi. I'm-- I'm Mira. It's nice to meet you. 30 00:02:20,709 --> 00:02:22,417 DANIELLE: Nice to meet you too. I'm Danielle. 31 00:02:22,500 --> 00:02:24,625 -JONATHAN LEVY: Everything okay? -MIRA LEVY: Mm-hmm. 32 00:02:24,709 --> 00:02:26,583 DANIELLE: Should we get started? 33 00:02:27,250 --> 00:02:28,458 Yeah. 34 00:02:29,458 --> 00:02:31,375 (BIRDS SINGING) 35 00:02:31,458 --> 00:02:32,750 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 36 00:02:36,875 --> 00:02:38,625 DANIELLE: So, Mira. 37 00:02:38,709 --> 00:02:41,208 I don't know if you remember me from drop-off? 38 00:02:41,291 --> 00:02:43,417 I babysit Iris and Sadie. 39 00:02:43,500 --> 00:02:45,041 -MIRA: Oh, um... -DANIELLE: Yeah. 40 00:02:45,125 --> 00:02:47,375 -MIRA: I'm not sure, I-- right. -DANIELLE: Yeah. So, um... 41 00:02:47,458 --> 00:02:49,041 Well, I believe Jonathan told you 42 00:02:49,125 --> 00:02:50,917 a bit about my study, in general? 43 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,583 -MIRA: Um... -DANIELLE: Well, it's for my PhD in Gender Studies and Psych 44 00:02:54,667 --> 00:02:55,917 -at Tufts. -MIRA: Oh, okay. 45 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,500 DANIELLE: I'm looking at how evolving gender norms 46 00:02:58,583 --> 00:03:00,667 -affect monogamous marriages. -MIRA: Okay. 47 00:03:01,333 --> 00:03:02,625 DANIELLE: Okay. Um... 48 00:03:02,709 --> 00:03:05,834 So, to complete the formalities, just confirming your pronouns? 49 00:03:06,709 --> 00:03:08,125 He, him, his. 50 00:03:11,041 --> 00:03:13,917 -She, um-- -She, her, hers. 51 00:03:14,959 --> 00:03:17,709 DANIELLE: Great. Mine are she/her, too. 52 00:03:17,792 --> 00:03:20,542 -(PAPER RUSTLING) -Um... okay. 53 00:03:20,625 --> 00:03:21,917 So, yeah. 54 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,583 The first question is pretty open, 55 00:03:24,667 --> 00:03:26,417 it's for either one of you. 56 00:03:26,500 --> 00:03:28,291 How would you define yourself? 57 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:31,583 -Define? -I dunno... (CHUCKLES) 58 00:03:31,667 --> 00:03:33,417 Def-- Like, describe? 59 00:03:33,500 --> 00:03:34,917 -DANIELLE: Well, define. -Right. 60 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,875 DANIELLE: I'm-- I'm actually interested in the... 61 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:40,333 -the elements... -Mm-hmm. 62 00:03:40,417 --> 00:03:43,000 ...that constitute your self-definition. 63 00:03:44,291 --> 00:03:46,583 The elements that constitute... 64 00:03:46,667 --> 00:03:48,250 -Go first. -...your self-definition. 65 00:03:48,333 --> 00:03:50,667 That's, um... 66 00:03:51,917 --> 00:03:53,875 DANIELLE: Well, you could think of it like this. 67 00:03:53,959 --> 00:03:55,750 What, um, attributes 68 00:03:55,834 --> 00:03:58,583 couldn't you imagine yourself without? 69 00:03:58,667 --> 00:04:00,417 (CHUCKLES) That's interesting. 70 00:04:00,500 --> 00:04:02,125 Uh, okay. Let me think. 71 00:04:02,208 --> 00:04:03,583 DANIELLE: Actually, if it's okay, 72 00:04:03,667 --> 00:04:05,250 just say whatever comes to mind. 73 00:04:05,333 --> 00:04:07,458 Okay. Uh, I'm a man. 74 00:04:07,542 --> 00:04:09,166 I'm Jewish. 75 00:04:09,875 --> 00:04:11,291 That's weird, right? 76 00:04:11,375 --> 00:04:12,875 -That's so weird. -That's strange. 77 00:04:12,959 --> 00:04:14,542 I went blank, that's the first thing 78 00:04:14,625 --> 00:04:16,583 -that came into my head. -DANIELLE: Great, yes. 79 00:04:16,667 --> 00:04:18,750 -That's exactly the idea. -Yes. Right. Okay. 80 00:04:18,834 --> 00:04:23,000 -Um, I'm, uh, a father to Ava... -DANIELLE: Mm-hmm. 81 00:04:23,083 --> 00:04:25,125 ...who's four years old, as you know. 82 00:04:25,208 --> 00:04:28,208 Um... I'm an academic. 83 00:04:28,291 --> 00:04:30,000 Uh, I should've said that first, actually. 84 00:04:30,083 --> 00:04:31,750 -DANIELLE: Mm-hmm. -It's a big part of my 85 00:04:31,834 --> 00:04:33,458 -self-definition. -Mm-hmm. 86 00:04:33,542 --> 00:04:36,375 -I teach in the philosophy department at Tufts. -DANIELLE: Mm-hmm. 87 00:04:37,667 --> 00:04:39,125 Um... 88 00:04:39,208 --> 00:04:42,000 What else? I'm, uh, 41. 89 00:04:42,083 --> 00:04:44,917 -I'm a Democrat. -Yeah. 90 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:46,250 I'm an asthmatic. 91 00:04:46,333 --> 00:04:49,000 Whoa. You feel your asthma defines you? 92 00:04:49,083 --> 00:04:50,834 -Yeah. -Really? 93 00:04:50,917 --> 00:04:52,917 Yeah. Well, if you go through your whole life 94 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,333 threatened with the possibility of suffocating, then yeah, 95 00:04:55,417 --> 00:04:58,959 you know, it becomes part of your self-definition. 96 00:04:59,041 --> 00:05:00,166 -Okay. -What? 97 00:05:00,250 --> 00:05:03,250 No. Nothing, babe. It's-- it's interesting. 98 00:05:03,333 --> 00:05:04,291 -Really. -Is it? 99 00:05:04,375 --> 00:05:05,667 -Yes. -Okay. 100 00:05:05,750 --> 00:05:07,083 -(LAUGHS) -Cool. 101 00:05:08,583 --> 00:05:10,917 DANIELLE: And Mira, how would you... 102 00:05:11,542 --> 00:05:13,333 Right. I-- Okay. Me. 103 00:05:13,417 --> 00:05:15,125 I am a woman. 104 00:05:15,208 --> 00:05:17,000 -I'm married. -Correct. 105 00:05:17,083 --> 00:05:18,583 I am a mother. 106 00:05:18,667 --> 00:05:20,500 -Mm-hmm. -I am 40. 107 00:05:20,583 --> 00:05:22,709 I-- Not quite, but that's definitely 108 00:05:22,792 --> 00:05:24,667 -my self-definition, 40. -(LAUGHS) 109 00:05:24,750 --> 00:05:28,208 I'm, uh... in tech. 110 00:05:28,291 --> 00:05:32,792 I'm, uh, VP of product management at Horizon. 111 00:05:32,875 --> 00:05:35,583 I know that doesn't mean much to most people, 112 00:05:35,667 --> 00:05:37,208 -but, you know-- -She's a big shot. 113 00:05:37,291 --> 00:05:38,458 -Trust me. -Yeah-- 114 00:05:40,166 --> 00:05:42,750 Um, okay, what else? (SIGHS) 115 00:05:43,500 --> 00:05:45,208 I'm a mother, obviously. 116 00:05:45,291 --> 00:05:47,500 You said that, don't worry. 117 00:05:47,583 --> 00:05:49,500 -Oh, good. -(CHUCKLES) 118 00:05:52,959 --> 00:05:54,166 Is that enough? 119 00:05:55,583 --> 00:05:56,959 Um... 120 00:05:57,041 --> 00:05:59,291 unless there's anything else you'd like to add? 121 00:05:59,375 --> 00:06:01,917 -MIRA: Oh, no. I'm good. -JONATHAN: Yeah. 122 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,041 I wonder, for instance, if you'd like to add something 123 00:06:05,125 --> 00:06:06,417 um, about how you divide 124 00:06:06,500 --> 00:06:08,250 household and caregiving responsibilities... 125 00:06:08,333 --> 00:06:10,875 -Right. Yes. Um... -DANIELLE: ...in that context? 126 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:12,917 So, I forgot to mention she's interested in couples 127 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:14,917 where the woman is the primary provider. 128 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,083 -DANIELLE: Yeah. Well, um... -Oh. 129 00:06:17,166 --> 00:06:19,333 -Right? Is that-- -DANIELLE: Yeah, I wouldn't exactly... 130 00:06:19,417 --> 00:06:20,750 -put it that way, but it's-- -Oh, yes. Sorry. 131 00:06:20,834 --> 00:06:22,917 I'm not-- I'm not-- I'm not trying to give away your thesis. 132 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:24,041 DANIELLE: That's... that's fine. 133 00:06:24,125 --> 00:06:25,875 Uh, anyway, yes. So, for the most part, 134 00:06:25,959 --> 00:06:27,625 I do take care of Ava during the week. 135 00:06:27,709 --> 00:06:29,166 -Um... -Well, uh... 136 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,959 Well, being in academia, as you know, 137 00:06:33,041 --> 00:06:36,750 I have very flexible hours and I can work from home. 138 00:06:36,834 --> 00:06:38,750 Mira, she works long days and... 139 00:06:38,834 --> 00:06:41,458 -has to travel for work. -And I make it up to them on the weekends. 140 00:06:41,542 --> 00:06:43,834 -Yeah, and you make it home for bedtime, when you can. -Yeah. 141 00:06:43,917 --> 00:06:45,417 DANIELLE: Mm-hmm. 142 00:06:45,500 --> 00:06:48,291 And has this always been your arrangement, in terms of childcare? 143 00:06:48,375 --> 00:06:49,917 -Yeah, pretty much. -Well, yeah. I had-- 144 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:51,250 Well, I had to take 145 00:06:51,333 --> 00:06:53,458 -an extra-long maternity leave. -Yes. 146 00:06:53,542 --> 00:06:56,166 And, um, you know, I'm still paying for it at work. 147 00:06:56,250 --> 00:06:57,250 Of course. Yeah. 148 00:06:57,333 --> 00:06:59,250 And my company is going public later this year, 149 00:06:59,333 --> 00:07:01,709 -so that's why there's so much extra travel. -Yeah, and it's also, like, 150 00:07:01,792 --> 00:07:03,875 I'm not making a big, uh, heroic sacrifice or anything. 151 00:07:03,959 --> 00:07:05,792 -No. (CHUCKLES) -We have our babysitter, Veronica, 152 00:07:05,875 --> 00:07:08,208 and she does extra hours, uh, on the, you know, 153 00:07:08,291 --> 00:07:10,041 on the days that I'm underwater at work. 154 00:07:10,125 --> 00:07:12,208 -DANIELLE: Sure. -And look, it'd be great 155 00:07:12,291 --> 00:07:15,333 if academia paid as well as tech does, 156 00:07:15,417 --> 00:07:16,959 -but it doesn't... -It doesn't, no. 157 00:07:17,041 --> 00:07:19,500 ...so this arrangement makes perfect sense. 158 00:07:19,583 --> 00:07:21,166 -Yeah. -DANIELLE: Mm-hmm. 159 00:07:21,250 --> 00:07:24,041 It sounds like we're apologizing for it. Maybe. 160 00:07:24,125 --> 00:07:26,625 -DANIELLE: No, not at all. -Yeah. No, we're proud of it. 161 00:07:26,709 --> 00:07:28,875 -(CHUCKLES) -Babe. Don't. 162 00:07:32,166 --> 00:07:36,500 Okay. So, at this point, I'd like to... 163 00:07:36,583 --> 00:07:38,291 hear a little bit about your history. 164 00:07:38,375 --> 00:07:41,166 I know that you've been married for almost ten years. 165 00:07:41,250 --> 00:07:42,125 JONATHAN: Yes. 166 00:07:42,208 --> 00:07:44,583 How long were you together before that? 167 00:07:44,667 --> 00:07:46,333 It's like two years and change, maybe? 168 00:07:46,417 --> 00:07:48,291 -Mm-hmm. Yeah. -Twelve years total. 169 00:07:48,375 --> 00:07:50,417 -Mm-hmm. -DANIELLE: And how did you meet? 170 00:07:52,583 --> 00:07:54,208 -You should be the one to tell the story. -No. 171 00:07:54,291 --> 00:07:55,959 It's way more entertaining. Come on. 172 00:07:56,041 --> 00:07:58,041 (SIGHS) 173 00:07:58,125 --> 00:08:01,417 Is-- Can you tell me how this is part of the study? 174 00:08:02,250 --> 00:08:04,500 DANIELLE: Um, well, it's valuable 175 00:08:04,583 --> 00:08:07,375 in the context of the gender perceptions 176 00:08:07,458 --> 00:08:09,959 you had at the beginning of the relationship. 177 00:08:10,041 --> 00:08:12,041 Okay. I just-- I've... 178 00:08:12,125 --> 00:08:14,125 I was under the impression that this is gonna be 179 00:08:14,208 --> 00:08:16,291 more like multiple choice. 180 00:08:16,959 --> 00:08:18,583 DANIELLE: Sorry, no. 181 00:08:19,208 --> 00:08:20,458 Okay. 182 00:08:21,583 --> 00:08:24,500 I'll tell it. It's actually-- It's a good story. 183 00:08:24,583 --> 00:08:25,875 -And, uh... -Mm-hmm. 184 00:08:25,959 --> 00:08:27,959 You can just interject when I get melodramatic. 185 00:08:28,041 --> 00:08:29,125 Sure. 186 00:08:30,417 --> 00:08:32,208 So, we met at Columbia. 187 00:08:32,291 --> 00:08:35,166 Um, we went there, we were in a seminar together, 188 00:08:35,250 --> 00:08:36,709 English lit. 189 00:08:36,792 --> 00:08:42,291 So, um, we spent three hours a week in a tiny little room, 190 00:08:42,375 --> 00:08:44,250 uh, but at this point, there was no way 191 00:08:44,333 --> 00:08:46,041 -that we would have ever... -No. 192 00:08:46,125 --> 00:08:48,667 I should mention that I was still Orthodox at the time. 193 00:08:48,750 --> 00:08:50,500 -DANIELLE: Oh? -Yeah. Yes. 194 00:08:50,583 --> 00:08:52,750 I, uh, I grew up in a Modern Orthodox 195 00:08:52,834 --> 00:08:54,125 -Jewish family. -Mm-hmm. 196 00:08:54,208 --> 00:08:57,417 So up until that point, up until college, my education 197 00:08:57,500 --> 00:09:00,750 had been mostly single-sex, I'd never touched a woman. 198 00:09:00,834 --> 00:09:05,083 So the whole thing was pretty overwhelming, 199 00:09:05,166 --> 00:09:09,917 um, me with my black yarmulke and white button-down shirts, 200 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,583 and all these young women in their little tank tops. 201 00:09:13,667 --> 00:09:16,375 And Mira specifically was like a campus celebrity. 202 00:09:16,458 --> 00:09:19,583 She was dating a member of a big rock band at the time, 203 00:09:19,667 --> 00:09:21,250 that needless to say I'd never heard of. 204 00:09:21,333 --> 00:09:23,417 No, they were-- they weren't really rock, 205 00:09:23,500 --> 00:09:24,625 and they weren't big. 206 00:09:24,709 --> 00:09:26,792 You've probably heard of them, Saraband? Lucas McRae? 207 00:09:26,875 --> 00:09:28,250 -Oh, wow. -JONATHAN: Uh, yeah. 208 00:09:28,333 --> 00:09:30,750 I just thought-- I thought of Mira as kind of a... 209 00:09:30,834 --> 00:09:32,250 -A what? -No, no, no. 210 00:09:32,333 --> 00:09:34,417 -No. Tell me. I wanna-- -Yeah, it-- it-- 211 00:09:34,500 --> 00:09:37,375 it's just that you were as far away from my world 212 00:09:37,458 --> 00:09:39,417 as it-- as it got, you know. 213 00:09:39,500 --> 00:09:42,458 And anyway, I was already engaged to a girl 214 00:09:42,542 --> 00:09:46,041 that I grew up with near Long Island. 215 00:09:46,125 --> 00:09:47,792 -DANIELLE: Oh. -Yeah. 216 00:09:47,875 --> 00:09:52,291 -So how did it happen? -JONATHAN: (CHUCKLES) Uh, well, she just... 217 00:09:52,375 --> 00:09:55,667 just walked up to me one day and, um... 218 00:09:56,333 --> 00:09:57,709 This part you should tell. 219 00:09:58,500 --> 00:10:02,792 Um, okay. So I was in a, um... 220 00:10:02,875 --> 00:10:04,208 a theater group in school, 221 00:10:04,291 --> 00:10:06,917 and we were doing this one play by Bashevis Singer, and-- 222 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,125 An adaptation of Enemies, A Love Story. 223 00:10:10,208 --> 00:10:11,458 -Hmm. -MIRA: Right. 224 00:10:11,542 --> 00:10:15,041 And, um, so I was doing all this research on Orthodox Jews. 225 00:10:15,125 --> 00:10:17,458 I was very serious about acting in college. 226 00:10:17,542 --> 00:10:19,458 -Oh, yeah. -And so I just went up to him 227 00:10:19,542 --> 00:10:21,667 one day after class, and I asked if I could talk to him, 228 00:10:21,750 --> 00:10:24,709 -and he just-- he seemed completely horrified-- -I was, yeah, paralyzed. 229 00:10:24,792 --> 00:10:27,500 MIRA: Yeah. But I was very committed to this role. 230 00:10:27,583 --> 00:10:28,542 JONATHAN: Absolutely. 231 00:10:28,625 --> 00:10:30,667 So committed that she got completely naked 232 00:10:30,750 --> 00:10:32,875 -halfway through the play. -MIRA: No! Not completely. 233 00:10:32,959 --> 00:10:35,875 And I'd already started the process 234 00:10:35,959 --> 00:10:37,750 of, uh, leaving my religion. 235 00:10:38,709 --> 00:10:40,917 But, uh, no, that-- that-- 236 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:42,709 that show was definitely a milestone. 237 00:10:42,792 --> 00:10:45,375 Mm. You mean you actually started dating? 238 00:10:45,458 --> 00:10:47,709 MIRA: Oh, no, no, no, no. Not until years later. 239 00:10:47,792 --> 00:10:49,542 JONATHAN: Yeah. Yeah, I was already here in Boston, 240 00:10:49,625 --> 00:10:51,166 and I was, uh, 241 00:10:51,250 --> 00:10:53,208 ...creeping around on her Myspace page, 242 00:10:53,291 --> 00:10:55,625 and I saw that she was moving here 243 00:10:55,709 --> 00:10:58,166 and that she was looking for an apartment share. 244 00:10:58,250 --> 00:10:59,834 So we became roommates. 245 00:10:59,917 --> 00:11:01,917 And from there, it progressed. 246 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:05,625 DANIELLE: And who initiated that? 247 00:11:09,458 --> 00:11:11,083 JONATHAN: I think it was both of us? 248 00:11:12,041 --> 00:11:13,959 -Yeah. -Right? 249 00:11:14,583 --> 00:11:15,750 Yeah. 250 00:11:16,667 --> 00:11:18,750 -Both. -(CHUCKLES) 251 00:11:20,041 --> 00:11:23,083 I had just come out of a series of relationships 252 00:11:23,166 --> 00:11:24,291 which were... 253 00:11:24,959 --> 00:11:26,375 borderline abusive. 254 00:11:26,458 --> 00:11:30,959 And I guess that I was addicted to that, 255 00:11:31,041 --> 00:11:32,166 and I-- and I was... 256 00:11:35,458 --> 00:11:36,667 stuck. 257 00:11:36,750 --> 00:11:40,125 Uh, I had a job that I could care less about. 258 00:11:40,208 --> 00:11:41,875 DANIELLE: Mm. 259 00:11:41,959 --> 00:11:45,709 And Jonathan was the complete opposite. 260 00:11:45,792 --> 00:11:48,875 Uh, he was everything that I wanted to be. 261 00:11:49,875 --> 00:11:52,291 He had values, and purpose. 262 00:11:52,375 --> 00:11:55,166 -It's true. -Yeah, well. Yeah, I... 263 00:11:56,208 --> 00:11:57,208 It's ironic because this was 264 00:11:57,291 --> 00:12:00,500 at the height of my existential dread. 265 00:12:00,583 --> 00:12:02,333 After I left my religion, 266 00:12:02,417 --> 00:12:06,333 I just had these years of loneliness and... (CHUCKLES) 267 00:12:07,667 --> 00:12:10,834 So... when did it happen? 268 00:12:12,750 --> 00:12:15,542 MIRA: Well, it happened... 269 00:12:15,625 --> 00:12:18,417 -thanks to the asthma, actually. -(CHUCKLES) 270 00:12:18,500 --> 00:12:19,792 DANIELLE: The asthma? 271 00:12:19,875 --> 00:12:23,834 Yeah. There was this one time we were coming back from the ER, 272 00:12:23,917 --> 00:12:26,959 I'd had a very severe attack, and the, um, the doctor... 273 00:12:27,041 --> 00:12:28,083 (CLEARS THROAT) 274 00:12:28,166 --> 00:12:30,417 ...he mistook us for a married couple, 275 00:12:30,500 --> 00:12:33,375 and, uh... we liked it, 276 00:12:33,458 --> 00:12:38,250 and we came home and we kept playing at it. 277 00:12:38,333 --> 00:12:39,500 And, um... 278 00:12:41,041 --> 00:12:42,959 and then it happened. 279 00:12:43,041 --> 00:12:45,000 DANIELLE: That's great. That's perfect. 280 00:12:45,083 --> 00:12:47,125 So... All right. 281 00:12:47,208 --> 00:12:49,291 -Now, I'd like to hear... -(WHISPERING) It's almost over. 282 00:12:49,375 --> 00:12:50,875 ...a bit about, in your opinion, 283 00:12:50,959 --> 00:12:54,542 what is the primary factor 284 00:12:54,625 --> 00:12:57,583 contributing to the success of your marriage? 285 00:12:58,333 --> 00:13:00,583 -Hmm. -(CHUCKLES) 286 00:13:00,667 --> 00:13:02,834 -Hmm. -I-- I'll let you take this. 287 00:13:02,917 --> 00:13:04,834 Interesting. (CHUCKLES) Interesting. 288 00:13:04,917 --> 00:13:07,667 Could you actually tell us what the definition of success is 289 00:13:07,750 --> 00:13:09,083 that you're working with? 290 00:13:09,166 --> 00:13:11,125 Yeah. Well, uh, first of all, 291 00:13:11,208 --> 00:13:13,291 it means that you're still together. 292 00:13:13,375 --> 00:13:14,834 -Uh-- -That's a low bar. 293 00:13:14,917 --> 00:13:17,500 (LAUGHS) Yeah. Yeah. 294 00:13:17,583 --> 00:13:21,583 Well, does our ten years make us statistical outliers? 295 00:13:21,667 --> 00:13:23,542 -DANIELLE: Mm-hmm. -(CELL PHONE VIBRATES) 296 00:13:23,625 --> 00:13:26,583 DANIELLE: Well, if we ignore all the socioeconomic 297 00:13:26,667 --> 00:13:28,792 and race parameters, then yes. 298 00:13:28,875 --> 00:13:31,583 The average marriage in the US is 8.2 years. 299 00:13:32,417 --> 00:13:34,166 JONATHAN: Okay. Well then 300 00:13:34,250 --> 00:13:37,709 shouldn't you ask first if subjectively that-- 301 00:13:37,792 --> 00:13:40,917 if we perceive our marriage to be a success at all? 302 00:13:41,917 --> 00:13:46,000 DANIELLE: Well, um, sure. Yeah, if you can-- 303 00:13:46,083 --> 00:13:48,208 JONATHAN: Yeah, I'm only saying that because I feel like 304 00:13:48,291 --> 00:13:49,667 that word, "success," 305 00:13:49,750 --> 00:13:52,542 is kind of emblematic of a larger 306 00:13:52,625 --> 00:13:55,625 cultural misconception about marriage. 307 00:13:55,709 --> 00:13:57,542 DANIELLE: Hmm. 308 00:13:57,625 --> 00:14:00,417 -Yeah. -It's become this project, right? 309 00:14:00,500 --> 00:14:03,166 This thing that you work on, "We're working on our marriage." 310 00:14:03,250 --> 00:14:04,375 -It's this... -MIRA: Mm. 311 00:14:04,458 --> 00:14:06,542 ...multibillion-dollar industry. 312 00:14:06,625 --> 00:14:09,125 There's, you know, self-help books, 313 00:14:09,208 --> 00:14:10,709 -and couples therapy... -DANIELLE: Right. 314 00:14:10,792 --> 00:14:12,709 -...and workshops, and podcasts, 315 00:14:12,792 --> 00:14:14,250 and apps, and TV shows. 316 00:14:14,333 --> 00:14:15,709 It's a huge business. 317 00:14:15,792 --> 00:14:19,125 DANIELLE: Mm-hmm. And you see that as a problem? 318 00:14:20,125 --> 00:14:21,667 Look, maybe it's because of my background, 319 00:14:21,750 --> 00:14:25,166 but I just think it's so obvious that-- that-- 320 00:14:26,083 --> 00:14:28,458 Western culture, consumer culture, 321 00:14:28,542 --> 00:14:30,375 has very purposefully created 322 00:14:30,458 --> 00:14:33,417 these completely irrational expectations 323 00:14:33,500 --> 00:14:35,417 that marriage must, at all times, be based 324 00:14:35,500 --> 00:14:36,750 on passion, on sex, 325 00:14:36,834 --> 00:14:38,542 on relentless emotional intensity, 326 00:14:38,625 --> 00:14:41,208 when it's so obvious that these things stem from novelty, 327 00:14:41,291 --> 00:14:43,500 so the whole concept's a complete fallacy. 328 00:14:44,333 --> 00:14:46,583 -DANIELLE: Right. Okay. -Mm. 329 00:14:46,667 --> 00:14:48,959 DANIELLE: So then, well, what is-- 330 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:51,208 what's your concept? 331 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:59,166 I think-- I think we both see marriage as a means. 332 00:14:59,250 --> 00:15:00,625 It's not an end. 333 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,041 Right? I think we see it as a platform... 334 00:15:04,125 --> 00:15:06,834 -Mm-hmm. -...where we both can, uh... 335 00:15:06,917 --> 00:15:09,166 that allows us to develop as individuals. 336 00:15:09,250 --> 00:15:12,125 We're both really passionate about the work we do, and... 337 00:15:12,208 --> 00:15:14,583 and our partnership gives us 338 00:15:14,667 --> 00:15:18,041 the safe ground to do it, and to... 339 00:15:18,125 --> 00:15:21,041 raise a daughter and have a family. 340 00:15:22,375 --> 00:15:23,500 Yeah. 341 00:15:27,709 --> 00:15:30,208 Mira, what about you? 342 00:15:33,917 --> 00:15:36,458 Um, sorry, what was the... 343 00:15:36,542 --> 00:15:38,667 DANIELLE: The question was about your perception-- 344 00:15:38,750 --> 00:15:41,959 Right. Our success. (LAUGHS) 345 00:15:42,041 --> 00:15:45,625 Um, well, I agree with what Jonathan said. 346 00:15:45,709 --> 00:15:48,375 -I mean, we-- we come-- -(FOOTSTEPS) 347 00:15:48,458 --> 00:15:50,417 -Hi. -Hey, honey. 348 00:15:50,500 --> 00:15:53,417 -Hey, oh. What is it? -Whoa! 349 00:15:53,500 --> 00:15:55,166 -Hi. -DANIELLE: Hi. 350 00:15:55,250 --> 00:15:57,250 -I'm Danielle. Remember me? -Who's that? 351 00:15:57,333 --> 00:15:59,750 -What's wrong, honey bunny? -It's over. 352 00:16:00,542 --> 00:16:01,959 Oh. Okay. 353 00:16:02,041 --> 00:16:03,500 -Sorry, give us a second. -DANIELLE: Of course. 354 00:16:03,583 --> 00:16:05,166 Come on. I'll put another one on for you, okay? 355 00:16:05,250 --> 00:16:07,375 -DANIELLE: Take your time, no worries. -AVA: Why can't I watch it 356 00:16:07,458 --> 00:16:08,500 here with you on the iPad? 357 00:16:08,583 --> 00:16:09,917 -We'll be right back. -Because, silly goose, 358 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,000 we're having a little meeting, but then-- It's okay. 359 00:16:12,083 --> 00:16:13,542 I'm just-- I'm gonna stay with her and watch. 360 00:16:13,625 --> 00:16:15,083 I got it, I got it. I got it, sweetie. 361 00:16:15,166 --> 00:16:17,166 -No, I'm gonna-- -You're in the middle of your answer. 362 00:16:17,250 --> 00:16:19,166 Yeah, but I'm dying to get this over with. Come on. I'm-- 363 00:16:19,250 --> 00:16:21,125 I know, but it's just gonna be a little longer. 364 00:16:21,208 --> 00:16:22,959 -She said an hour at the most. -AVA LEVY: Daddy. 365 00:16:23,041 --> 00:16:24,375 Okay, sweetie, I'm gonna put it on. 366 00:16:24,458 --> 00:16:25,583 What's wrong? 367 00:16:26,417 --> 00:16:27,542 Nothing. 368 00:16:28,917 --> 00:16:30,709 Have fun. 369 00:16:30,792 --> 00:16:33,625 JONATHAN: Okay. Just one second, patience. 370 00:16:33,709 --> 00:16:35,792 -Sorry about that. -No, no, it's fine. 371 00:16:35,875 --> 00:16:38,208 -I know exactly how it is. -(CHUCKLES) Yeah. 372 00:16:38,291 --> 00:16:40,417 I'm so grateful to you both for doing this. 373 00:16:40,500 --> 00:16:44,458 It's so hard finding subjects for research, 374 00:16:44,542 --> 00:16:46,083 especially straight men, actually. 375 00:16:46,166 --> 00:16:47,583 Well, lucky for you, Jonathan loves 376 00:16:47,667 --> 00:16:50,041 -talking about his theories. -Hmm. 377 00:16:50,125 --> 00:16:51,417 Well, what's yours? 378 00:16:54,166 --> 00:16:55,959 Well, um... 379 00:16:56,041 --> 00:16:58,000 I think about it in terms of... 380 00:16:59,166 --> 00:17:01,000 an equilibrium. 381 00:17:01,083 --> 00:17:03,291 -DANIELLE: Mm-hmm. -Yeah. I think that 382 00:17:03,375 --> 00:17:06,667 in marriage, there is this very delicate equilibrium 383 00:17:06,750 --> 00:17:10,166 and that, um, you have to maintain it together. 384 00:17:12,208 --> 00:17:14,625 DANIELLE: And what do you mean by equilibrium? 385 00:17:16,125 --> 00:17:18,458 Well, you know, at the beginning of a relationship, 386 00:17:18,542 --> 00:17:20,125 everything's thrilling and it's new 387 00:17:20,208 --> 00:17:22,250 and you feel as a couple that nothing can hurt you. 388 00:17:22,333 --> 00:17:23,500 Right. 389 00:17:23,583 --> 00:17:25,917 And then you gradually start to realize that actually, 390 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,125 anything can hurt you. 391 00:17:30,291 --> 00:17:33,208 -Mm-hmm. -(IPAD PLAYING INDISTINCTLY) 392 00:17:36,458 --> 00:17:37,667 Uh... 393 00:17:39,375 --> 00:17:41,834 -I'm gonna go check on them. -DANIELLE: Okay. 394 00:17:41,917 --> 00:17:43,792 -I'll be right back. -DANIELLE: Sure. 395 00:17:44,750 --> 00:17:46,083 -MIRA: Hey. -Good? Yeah. 396 00:17:46,166 --> 00:17:48,709 Sorry, the Wi-Fi was, uh, messed up. 397 00:17:48,792 --> 00:17:50,125 It wasn't loading. 398 00:17:50,667 --> 00:17:52,041 Hi. 399 00:17:52,125 --> 00:17:54,750 We have another half an hour while she watches this one. 400 00:17:54,834 --> 00:17:56,750 -Perfect. -Okay. All right. 401 00:17:56,834 --> 00:17:58,000 Okay. Great. 402 00:17:58,625 --> 00:17:59,709 Thank you. 403 00:18:00,208 --> 00:18:01,667 So... 404 00:18:01,750 --> 00:18:05,458 Yes, I'd like to hear about your attitudes towards monogamy. 405 00:18:05,542 --> 00:18:07,625 Um, to what extent do you see yourselves committed 406 00:18:07,709 --> 00:18:09,125 to each other exclusively? 407 00:18:09,208 --> 00:18:10,834 Well, what do you mean? 408 00:18:10,917 --> 00:18:12,041 DANIELLE: I mean sexually. 409 00:18:12,625 --> 00:18:14,625 (LAUGHTER) 410 00:18:14,709 --> 00:18:17,208 JONATHAN: I would say it was very unexpected. 411 00:18:17,291 --> 00:18:19,417 (LAUGHTER CONTINUES) 412 00:18:19,500 --> 00:18:22,333 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 413 00:18:22,417 --> 00:18:25,083 Well? What did I miss? 414 00:18:25,166 --> 00:18:27,375 -MIRA: Oh, God. -KATE: Basically, she asked 415 00:18:27,458 --> 00:18:29,959 if they're fucking other people. 416 00:18:30,041 --> 00:18:32,083 -That's a little intrusive, no? -Yeah. 417 00:18:32,166 --> 00:18:33,792 -KATE: Why? -Well, maybe not for you, 418 00:18:33,875 --> 00:18:35,542 but how did you agree to do this? 419 00:18:35,625 --> 00:18:38,083 I didn't. Jonathan agreed, and he dragged me into it. 420 00:18:38,166 --> 00:18:39,625 JONATHAN: I didn't drag you into it. 421 00:18:39,709 --> 00:18:41,500 -You did. Yes. -No, I didn't. 422 00:18:41,583 --> 00:18:44,000 MIRA: You did. He met her at Ava's preschool. 423 00:18:44,083 --> 00:18:45,333 -Hmm. -Yeah. 424 00:18:45,417 --> 00:18:47,125 For the twins, she takes care of the twins that go there. 425 00:18:47,208 --> 00:18:48,917 So she told him all about it, 426 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:50,875 and he couldn't help advancing his theories 427 00:18:50,959 --> 00:18:52,458 on how capitalism ruins marriages. 428 00:18:52,542 --> 00:18:53,667 -(LAUGHTER) -JONATHAN: It's true. 429 00:18:53,750 --> 00:18:55,333 -Jonathan. -Word needs to get out. 430 00:18:55,417 --> 00:18:57,583 Getting friendly with the younger women at pickup? 431 00:18:57,667 --> 00:18:59,125 -JONATHAN: Come on. -Uh-huh. 432 00:18:59,208 --> 00:19:01,083 -MIRA: That is true. -He's taking advantage of his sexy dad factor. 433 00:19:01,166 --> 00:19:03,792 She's a student. She's a student. Please. 434 00:19:03,875 --> 00:19:06,083 PETER: But, wait, what is the research about? 435 00:19:06,166 --> 00:19:08,667 JONATHAN: I'm kidding. I'm totally kidding. 436 00:19:08,750 --> 00:19:10,291 I think that-- I think 437 00:19:10,375 --> 00:19:12,792 her thesis is basically that 438 00:19:12,875 --> 00:19:15,000 when the woman is the primary provider 439 00:19:15,083 --> 00:19:16,792 and the man is the primary caregiver, 440 00:19:16,875 --> 00:19:19,625 the marriage has a greater chance of "success." 441 00:19:19,709 --> 00:19:21,000 -KATE: Mm. -PETER: Really? 442 00:19:21,083 --> 00:19:22,250 JONATHAN: Yeah. 443 00:19:22,333 --> 00:19:24,375 Apparently, there's research that says that the woman's 444 00:19:24,458 --> 00:19:27,041 level of satisfaction is the crucial element 445 00:19:27,125 --> 00:19:29,625 in determining the long-term stability of a marriage. 446 00:19:29,709 --> 00:19:31,375 PETER: Huh. You hear that, Kate? 447 00:19:31,458 --> 00:19:34,291 -Loud and clear. -(LAUGHTER) 448 00:19:34,375 --> 00:19:36,417 PETER: Anyway, why is she choosing 449 00:19:36,500 --> 00:19:39,041 to follow long-term monogamous couples? 450 00:19:39,125 --> 00:19:41,375 I would expect more out of a millennial psych student. 451 00:19:41,458 --> 00:19:43,500 -(KATE AND MIRA WHISPERING) -JONATHAN: Yeah, apparently, uh, 452 00:19:43,583 --> 00:19:45,291 divorce has been researched to death, so... 453 00:19:45,375 --> 00:19:47,542 Yeah, but there's so many other relationship models. 454 00:19:47,625 --> 00:19:48,792 I mean, it's a new era. 455 00:19:48,875 --> 00:19:50,875 -(WOMEN WHISPER, LAUGH) -PETER: Take us, for example. 456 00:19:50,959 --> 00:19:53,625 -She should have met with us. -Yeah. Well, you know, I'm happy to give her your number, Peter, 457 00:19:53,709 --> 00:19:55,792 if you're interested, as she's desperate for research subjects. 458 00:19:55,875 --> 00:19:57,917 By all means. I think she could benefit a lot from us. 459 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,208 Wait. But she's interested in successful marriages. 460 00:20:00,291 --> 00:20:03,041 I think that rules us out, baby. 461 00:20:03,125 --> 00:20:05,417 -That's... -(KATE LAUGHS) 462 00:20:05,500 --> 00:20:07,041 I don't think that's true. 463 00:20:08,291 --> 00:20:10,125 Okay. Hey. I'm sorry. 464 00:20:12,625 --> 00:20:15,417 Wait. So how was, uh, how was Boulder? 465 00:20:15,500 --> 00:20:16,750 -Oh, yeah. -PETER: It was good. 466 00:20:16,834 --> 00:20:18,208 We-- we won the pitch. 467 00:20:18,291 --> 00:20:19,500 -Hey, that's great. -No! 468 00:20:19,583 --> 00:20:22,542 -Cheers. Congrats. Fantastic. -KATE: Thank you, guys. 469 00:20:22,625 --> 00:20:24,375 PETER: Yeah, actually, we killed it. 470 00:20:24,458 --> 00:20:25,750 You know, I don't think they were, uh, 471 00:20:25,834 --> 00:20:27,750 looking for a boutique company, 472 00:20:27,834 --> 00:20:30,125 but they fell in love with Kate's demos. 473 00:20:30,208 --> 00:20:31,542 Of course they did. She's a genius. 474 00:20:31,625 --> 00:20:33,709 There's no better web designer on the entire East Coast. 475 00:20:33,792 --> 00:20:34,917 -No. -MIRA: I've said that 476 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:36,333 -multiple times. -PETER: No argument here. 477 00:20:36,417 --> 00:20:39,250 And, you know, I didn't fuck up the presentation too badly, so. 478 00:20:39,333 --> 00:20:41,166 -Well, good. Good on you. -You sure? You sure? 479 00:20:41,250 --> 00:20:43,250 KATE: We were a well-oiled machine. 480 00:20:43,333 --> 00:20:45,583 -(MIRA LAUGHS) -(PETER LAUGHS) 481 00:20:45,667 --> 00:20:49,208 That's great, guys. I'm jealous of you. 482 00:20:49,291 --> 00:20:51,583 I am. I get jealous of them. I just think that, like, 483 00:20:51,667 --> 00:20:53,625 a couple that can work together is-- 484 00:20:53,709 --> 00:20:55,000 Don't be too jealous. 485 00:20:55,083 --> 00:20:57,542 JONATHAN: No, I'm sure it's not always easy, but when it works, 486 00:20:57,625 --> 00:21:00,625 -that's like the paradigm. -Easy? I mean, the fact that 487 00:21:00,709 --> 00:21:04,333 we got through Boulder without killing each other is a miracle. 488 00:21:04,417 --> 00:21:06,250 Let's not do this now, Kate. 489 00:21:06,333 --> 00:21:08,792 -KATE: Why not? What's the problem? -This is not the time for it. 490 00:21:08,875 --> 00:21:12,625 Okay. So, when we're alone, it's not the time either. 491 00:21:12,709 --> 00:21:14,959 Maybe you can give some thought to when the right time might be. 492 00:21:15,041 --> 00:21:16,875 -Just stop, okay? -KATE: Okay. Fine. 493 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,500 Okay. Let's go home. 494 00:21:20,583 --> 00:21:23,208 -No! What are you talking about? -We're playing make-believe. 495 00:21:23,291 --> 00:21:25,041 -PETER: Kate. Let's not ruin it. -Don't leave. 496 00:21:25,125 --> 00:21:27,458 -What's going on, Peter? -It's nothing important, 497 00:21:27,542 --> 00:21:29,458 it's just the usual drama about... 498 00:21:29,542 --> 00:21:32,000 KATE: Don't say it's not important. No. Fuck you. 499 00:21:32,083 --> 00:21:33,083 (SIGHS) 500 00:21:35,625 --> 00:21:36,917 Okay. (SNIFFLES) 501 00:21:37,542 --> 00:21:38,875 What's going on... 502 00:21:40,250 --> 00:21:42,333 is Nathan broke up with me, 503 00:21:42,417 --> 00:21:44,291 and I'm extremely depressed about it. 504 00:21:47,583 --> 00:21:50,083 Peter can't deal with it. He won't talk about it. 505 00:21:51,166 --> 00:21:52,667 So that's what's going on. And-- 506 00:21:52,750 --> 00:21:54,500 -PETER: Kate. Cut it out. -Uh-uh, uh-uh, uh-uh. 507 00:21:54,583 --> 00:21:56,750 Cut it out? You cut it out. All of these-- 508 00:21:56,834 --> 00:21:59,834 I'm so sick of this social fascism. 509 00:21:59,917 --> 00:22:02,750 -Social fascism. -KATE: All these bullshit empty conversations. 510 00:22:02,834 --> 00:22:04,375 I'm allowed to talk about everything 511 00:22:04,458 --> 00:22:06,208 but the most important thing going on in my life. 512 00:22:06,291 --> 00:22:07,750 I'm not gonna do it anymore. 513 00:22:09,083 --> 00:22:11,375 PETER: Maybe they don't really feel like hearing about it, 514 00:22:11,458 --> 00:22:13,125 -have you considered that? -KATE: No, no. 515 00:22:13,208 --> 00:22:15,583 You're the only one that doesn't wanna hear about it. 516 00:22:15,667 --> 00:22:19,709 Because you'd rather wallow in your passive-aggressive bullshit resentment, 517 00:22:19,792 --> 00:22:22,792 you can't admit that you're hurting, 518 00:22:22,875 --> 00:22:24,250 that it hurts, 519 00:22:24,333 --> 00:22:26,542 -and just talk to me about it. -Yeah, I'm hurt, okay? 520 00:22:26,625 --> 00:22:28,417 I'm very hurt. I admit it. Okay. 521 00:22:28,500 --> 00:22:30,750 -Can we end this now? -Okay. No, we can't end this. 522 00:22:30,834 --> 00:22:33,166 And I won't live like this. Okay? 523 00:22:34,291 --> 00:22:36,250 When we started this, we said 524 00:22:36,333 --> 00:22:38,875 that we would talk about everything, and I was there 525 00:22:38,959 --> 00:22:41,166 through all your shit with Alana, Grace. 526 00:22:41,250 --> 00:22:43,542 I accepted that. I dealt with that. 527 00:22:43,625 --> 00:22:45,750 And now suddenly when I'm the one that's going through something, 528 00:22:45,834 --> 00:22:47,875 it's like my feelings aren't legitimate. 529 00:22:47,959 --> 00:22:49,583 I never fell in love with anyone else. 530 00:22:49,667 --> 00:22:50,834 That's the difference. 531 00:22:53,458 --> 00:22:54,625 KATE: Okay. 532 00:22:55,667 --> 00:22:59,125 So what if I... fell in love? 533 00:22:59,208 --> 00:23:03,500 That was supposed to be a part of the risk we both accepted. 534 00:23:04,500 --> 00:23:07,208 I'm not leaving, I'm here, I'm dealing with it. 535 00:23:13,625 --> 00:23:16,250 -Sorry. -It's okay. No, no, no. 536 00:23:16,333 --> 00:23:17,875 -Oh, God. -JONATHAN: It's all right. 537 00:23:19,542 --> 00:23:21,291 So you care more about what they think about you 538 00:23:21,375 --> 00:23:23,125 than what I'm going through right now. 539 00:23:23,208 --> 00:23:25,166 -You're so pathetic. -I think it's a real competition 540 00:23:25,250 --> 00:23:26,458 as to who's most pathetic right now. 541 00:23:26,542 --> 00:23:28,875 MIRA: Let's take a break. I'm gonna go upstairs. 542 00:23:28,959 --> 00:23:30,667 Why don't you come upstairs with me? 543 00:23:31,959 --> 00:23:34,709 I'm gonna call a car. You do whatever you want. 544 00:23:36,041 --> 00:23:37,125 -Hey. -I'm sorry. 545 00:23:37,208 --> 00:23:38,542 -No, no. -I couldn't hold it together anymore. 546 00:23:38,625 --> 00:23:40,417 -MIRA: I get it. -That whole dinner, he was just... 547 00:23:40,500 --> 00:23:42,000 I know. 548 00:23:42,083 --> 00:23:44,125 It's been like this all week since I talked to you. 549 00:23:44,208 --> 00:23:46,166 MIRA: I'm sorry I haven't been here. 550 00:23:46,250 --> 00:23:48,667 -When did your flight get in? -MIRA: Last night. 551 00:23:48,750 --> 00:23:50,750 Do you have an Advil? My head's killing me. 552 00:23:50,834 --> 00:23:53,083 In my bathroom. I'm just gonna check on Ava for a second. 553 00:23:53,166 --> 00:23:54,333 I'll be right there. 554 00:23:54,417 --> 00:23:56,917 (PETER AND JONATHAN SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY) 555 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:58,667 PETER: Revisionist history, you know? 556 00:23:58,750 --> 00:24:01,583 She was a mess, I was holding things together. 557 00:24:01,667 --> 00:24:03,333 (SCOFFS) 558 00:24:04,125 --> 00:24:05,750 -Did you find it? -Yeah. 559 00:24:11,375 --> 00:24:15,000 So, it ended with Nathan, completely? 560 00:24:15,083 --> 00:24:16,375 Yeah. For good. 561 00:24:16,458 --> 00:24:19,000 -I'm sorry. -(CHUCKLES) 562 00:24:19,083 --> 00:24:22,041 Oh, girl. Yeah. He said he's exhausted 563 00:24:23,125 --> 00:24:25,333 from living a double life. 564 00:24:25,417 --> 00:24:27,333 The irony is a double life's the only life 565 00:24:27,417 --> 00:24:28,750 I know how to live. 566 00:24:29,333 --> 00:24:30,500 Right. 567 00:24:30,583 --> 00:24:32,834 KATE: Mira, this past week, I can barely get out of bed. 568 00:24:32,917 --> 00:24:36,000 Literally. It's not getting any better. 569 00:24:36,083 --> 00:24:39,333 And Peter just sulks all day like a child. And... 570 00:24:39,417 --> 00:24:42,834 (SIGHS) When he's not doing this phony chipper thing 571 00:24:42,917 --> 00:24:45,625 that makes me wanna strangle him. 572 00:24:45,709 --> 00:24:48,125 And then I have these outbursts of hatred for him 573 00:24:48,208 --> 00:24:49,542 where I'm just... 574 00:24:51,875 --> 00:24:53,250 I find myself in bed... 575 00:24:54,750 --> 00:24:57,291 thinking of the craziest ways to torture him 576 00:24:57,959 --> 00:24:59,959 and then fucking kill him. 577 00:25:01,333 --> 00:25:02,917 -I don't know. -Mm-hmm. 578 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:08,208 Perhaps it's time to reconsider this arrangement. 579 00:25:08,291 --> 00:25:09,417 This arrangement? 580 00:25:09,500 --> 00:25:11,458 (EXHALES) I'm-- 581 00:25:11,542 --> 00:25:13,375 You gotta remember this whole thing started 582 00:25:13,458 --> 00:25:15,417 so Peter could justify his cheating. 583 00:25:15,500 --> 00:25:17,709 This is just-- It doesn't matter how it started. 584 00:25:17,792 --> 00:25:21,041 This is the way that we found to, you know, get through it, 585 00:25:21,125 --> 00:25:22,750 and I don't regret it. 586 00:25:23,208 --> 00:25:24,417 MIRA: Mm. 587 00:25:25,792 --> 00:25:26,792 KATE: I don't. 588 00:25:26,875 --> 00:25:28,917 -I don't-- Kate. -KATE: It's been good for us. 589 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,291 I don't remember ever wanting to fuck Peter 590 00:25:32,375 --> 00:25:34,792 as much as when I was with Nathan. 591 00:25:34,875 --> 00:25:37,917 I'm serious. I wore him out. 592 00:25:38,041 --> 00:25:39,792 -MIRA: Okay. -Do you know how good it felt 593 00:25:39,875 --> 00:25:42,291 to actually want my husband? 594 00:25:46,333 --> 00:25:49,083 You know, this is real. 595 00:25:49,166 --> 00:25:51,667 This is my life, Mira. It's not some whim. 596 00:25:53,166 --> 00:25:54,500 I mean, what I had with Nathan, 597 00:25:54,583 --> 00:25:58,208 I don't remember ever feeling so alive. 598 00:25:58,291 --> 00:26:03,250 And so, okay, it also means feeling this terrible pain. 599 00:26:03,333 --> 00:26:04,667 It's part of the deal. 600 00:26:11,667 --> 00:26:13,834 You're really suffering though, honey. 601 00:26:14,709 --> 00:26:15,834 Hmm. 602 00:26:17,500 --> 00:26:19,000 What would be better? 603 00:26:20,208 --> 00:26:21,458 There were at least three years 604 00:26:21,542 --> 00:26:23,542 when I didn't have sex with Peter. 605 00:26:23,625 --> 00:26:25,041 -MIRA: I know. -Yeah. 606 00:26:26,291 --> 00:26:28,291 Does that seem reasonable to you? 607 00:26:28,375 --> 00:26:30,792 Life without any passion, right? Kind of like-- 608 00:26:30,875 --> 00:26:33,667 Well, passion, okay, it's awesome, 609 00:26:33,750 --> 00:26:35,959 uh, but, you know, it's not sustainable. 610 00:26:36,041 --> 00:26:37,417 We're not 16 anymore. You can't-- 611 00:26:37,500 --> 00:26:38,792 What does 16 have to do with anything? 612 00:26:38,875 --> 00:26:40,417 Did you renounce passion at the age of 16? 613 00:26:40,500 --> 00:26:42,250 No, I'm not saying that I renounced it. 614 00:26:42,333 --> 00:26:43,917 KATE: Don't start quoting Jonathan's theories 615 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,542 -about marriage. -I'm not quoting him. 616 00:26:46,625 --> 00:26:51,375 No, I-- I'm saying that, okay, this open relationship 617 00:26:51,458 --> 00:26:53,959 -comes at a price for everybody. -Of course it does. 618 00:26:54,041 --> 00:26:57,250 And... it can't be easy for your kids, right? 619 00:26:59,542 --> 00:27:03,166 Well, it's not easy for any kid, Mira. 620 00:27:03,250 --> 00:27:04,458 I mean... 621 00:27:07,375 --> 00:27:10,458 Honestly, in the long run, I think that it's actually... 622 00:27:11,417 --> 00:27:12,959 very empowering for them 623 00:27:13,041 --> 00:27:17,041 to see me always searching for freedom and happiness. 624 00:27:18,875 --> 00:27:21,583 I don't know, self-actualization? 625 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,458 It's absolutely something that I want to model for them. 626 00:27:27,417 --> 00:27:28,750 Especially Anna. 627 00:27:32,834 --> 00:27:34,125 Okay. 628 00:27:37,083 --> 00:27:39,208 I'm not judging you, honey. I'm not. 629 00:27:39,291 --> 00:27:40,291 Yeah. 630 00:27:42,917 --> 00:27:45,667 MIRA: And I'm on your side always. You know that, right? 631 00:27:47,333 --> 00:27:49,125 I know. I do. 632 00:27:51,625 --> 00:27:53,375 I'm sorry. Here. 633 00:27:53,458 --> 00:27:56,083 -Mm. -KATE: No, no, no. 634 00:27:56,166 --> 00:27:58,291 (KATE EXHALES SHAKILY) 635 00:28:00,125 --> 00:28:01,583 KATE: Hmm. 636 00:28:01,667 --> 00:28:02,959 (BREATHES DEEPLY) 637 00:28:03,041 --> 00:28:06,792 Oh, this day. It's just, like, it's so much. It's... 638 00:28:10,041 --> 00:28:11,625 Wait, is something wrong? 639 00:28:14,125 --> 00:28:15,959 No, it's just, uh... 640 00:28:18,291 --> 00:28:21,250 It's just a lot of pressure, so. 641 00:28:22,125 --> 00:28:23,667 What kind of pressure? 642 00:28:26,667 --> 00:28:29,000 No, it's nothing. Forget it. 643 00:28:33,875 --> 00:28:35,667 (LAUGHS) What? 644 00:28:37,458 --> 00:28:40,625 Nothing, I just-- I'm sorry I lost it. 645 00:28:40,709 --> 00:28:43,041 (LAUGHS) 646 00:28:43,125 --> 00:28:45,709 I think it's okay. That was crazy. 647 00:28:46,834 --> 00:28:47,834 KATE: Girl. 648 00:28:49,542 --> 00:28:52,667 -You're such a good friend. Hey. -Aw. 649 00:28:53,458 --> 00:28:54,709 And you're stunning. 650 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,208 KATE: I don't... (LAUGHS) 651 00:29:12,291 --> 00:29:14,625 -Not sure where what came from. -(LAUGHS NERVOUSLY) 652 00:29:14,709 --> 00:29:16,375 KATE: I think I'm pretty drunk. 653 00:29:19,208 --> 00:29:20,375 MIRA: Um... 654 00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:23,583 -KATE: Okay. You good? -Yeah. 655 00:29:23,667 --> 00:29:26,041 -Do you wanna go downstairs? -Okay. 656 00:29:26,125 --> 00:29:30,000 -Mm. Yeah. -(MIRA LAUGHS) 657 00:29:31,709 --> 00:29:32,625 KATE: Hang on. 658 00:29:32,709 --> 00:29:34,041 -Okay, come on. -KATE: Okay. 659 00:29:35,125 --> 00:29:36,375 (EXHALES) 660 00:29:37,792 --> 00:29:39,792 PETER: Oh, no, no, no, you got it backwards. 661 00:29:39,875 --> 00:29:42,041 It was-- it was-- it was she who made the sale. 662 00:29:42,125 --> 00:29:44,291 JONATHAN: I get that, but you did your fair share of the work. 663 00:29:44,375 --> 00:29:45,750 PETER: She is a ball buster. 664 00:29:45,834 --> 00:29:48,500 -She can be really fucking scary. -MIRA: Oh my God. 665 00:29:48,583 --> 00:29:50,709 PETER: And she's a-- she's a true artist, right? 666 00:29:50,792 --> 00:29:53,500 -I'll call a car. -PETER: She's a certifiable genius. She's gorgeous. 667 00:29:53,583 --> 00:29:55,083 I'm just gonna clean up a bit. 668 00:29:55,166 --> 00:29:57,458 PETER: I don't know why she even ever let me between her legs, 669 00:29:57,542 --> 00:29:59,291 this paragon of perfection. 670 00:29:59,375 --> 00:30:00,333 KATE: Hi. I need a car 671 00:30:00,417 --> 00:30:04,125 at 206 Abbottsford Road in Brookline. 672 00:30:04,208 --> 00:30:07,000 PETER: When I sleep with other women, it's because, uh, 673 00:30:07,083 --> 00:30:09,458 it's only because it makes me feel... 674 00:30:10,458 --> 00:30:12,166 You know, it's-- it has nothing to do 675 00:30:12,250 --> 00:30:15,333 with falling in love. It's the only way-- 676 00:30:15,417 --> 00:30:18,041 It's the only way that I can, uh... 677 00:30:18,125 --> 00:30:19,291 JONATHAN: No, it does-- 678 00:30:19,375 --> 00:30:20,875 PETER: You know, I know-- I know I'm the one who-- 679 00:30:20,959 --> 00:30:23,208 Peter, I called us a car. Neither one of us can drive. 680 00:30:23,291 --> 00:30:27,166 -PETER: Mm-hmm. Yeah. -JONATHAN: Do you want coffee or anything? 681 00:30:27,250 --> 00:30:29,208 -KATE: Are you okay? -Yeah, I'm good. Yeah. 682 00:30:29,291 --> 00:30:31,000 Yeah, I was just, uh... 683 00:30:31,083 --> 00:30:32,709 I was just trying to explain to him 684 00:30:32,792 --> 00:30:36,083 how you and I decided to, uh... 685 00:30:36,166 --> 00:30:39,583 And I, you know, I was saying that just ignoring the fact 686 00:30:39,667 --> 00:30:42,333 that you have options doesn't make them go away. 687 00:30:42,417 --> 00:30:43,500 -Right? Right? -KATE: Yeah. 688 00:30:43,583 --> 00:30:45,583 PETER: You know, or another way of saying it is, 689 00:30:45,667 --> 00:30:48,208 you know, if the only reason that you're faithful 690 00:30:48,291 --> 00:30:51,041 is because it's like a rational decision, 691 00:30:51,125 --> 00:30:53,250 -well, that's not sustainable. -Why not? 692 00:30:53,333 --> 00:30:55,458 Well, because it's just a matter of the right woman, right time 693 00:30:55,542 --> 00:30:57,458 -when it finally happens, right? -JONATHAN: Oh, okay. 694 00:30:57,542 --> 00:30:59,375 So I don't have a choice in the matter? 695 00:30:59,458 --> 00:31:00,709 PETER: No, you don't. 696 00:31:00,792 --> 00:31:02,792 Because, I mean, this force... 697 00:31:02,875 --> 00:31:06,208 -(WHISPERING) I'm tired. -...call it Eros or whatever, 698 00:31:06,291 --> 00:31:08,667 you know, it's far more powerful than your own will. 699 00:31:08,750 --> 00:31:10,083 The car is on the way. 700 00:31:10,166 --> 00:31:11,375 You better start getting ready, okay? 701 00:31:11,458 --> 00:31:13,083 PETER: Just a second. You understand what I'm saying? 702 00:31:13,166 --> 00:31:14,417 JONATHAN: It depends on who you are. 703 00:31:14,500 --> 00:31:16,125 -No, it doesn't! It doesn't! -Shh. Peter. 704 00:31:16,208 --> 00:31:17,458 -Quiet. -PETER: I'm sorry. 705 00:31:17,542 --> 00:31:19,250 JONATHAN: I think it's just-- it's a longer conversation. 706 00:31:19,333 --> 00:31:20,834 No, tell me, I wanna hear. 707 00:31:23,500 --> 00:31:25,917 I think maybe it's just because of the way that I was raised. 708 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,583 -PETER: What do you mean? -Well, you know, in... 709 00:31:28,667 --> 00:31:30,917 the first 20 years of your life, 710 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,083 you're taught to conquer your desires, 711 00:31:34,166 --> 00:31:36,208 -not surrender to them. -Dude. 712 00:31:36,291 --> 00:31:38,625 -JONATHAN: What? -That's grotesque. 713 00:31:38,709 --> 00:31:39,750 JONATHAN: Maybe. 714 00:31:39,834 --> 00:31:41,500 I mean, that level of repression, 715 00:31:41,583 --> 00:31:42,667 it's like from the Middle Ages. 716 00:31:42,750 --> 00:31:43,750 JONATHAN: I'm not defending it. 717 00:31:43,834 --> 00:31:45,250 I'm just saying that it's ingrained in me. 718 00:31:45,333 --> 00:31:46,500 Hey, babe, where is your jacket? 719 00:31:46,583 --> 00:31:48,083 -PETER: Just a second. -We need to get ready. 720 00:31:48,166 --> 00:31:50,583 You really need to start shaking that off. 721 00:31:50,667 --> 00:31:52,750 -Or it's gonna take a major toll on you. -KATE: Peter. 722 00:31:52,834 --> 00:31:54,041 PETER: Not just mentally, I mean, 723 00:31:54,125 --> 00:31:56,208 physically and spiritually, and... 724 00:31:56,291 --> 00:31:58,125 -The car is almost here. -Yeah, I heard you! 725 00:31:58,208 --> 00:32:00,041 -He can wait a minute! -Shh. 726 00:32:00,875 --> 00:32:02,250 (AVA CRYING) 727 00:32:04,333 --> 00:32:05,834 Shit. 728 00:32:05,917 --> 00:32:07,500 -MIRA: Here. -PETER: I'm sorry. 729 00:32:07,583 --> 00:32:09,375 -KATE: I'm really sorry. -I call you tomorrow. 730 00:32:10,792 --> 00:32:12,500 -Mira, I'm sorry. -Yeah. 731 00:32:13,667 --> 00:32:15,375 I'm sorry. I apologize. 732 00:32:15,458 --> 00:32:17,667 -Bye. Night. -JONATHAN: No worries. It's all right. 733 00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:19,291 -PETER: Is she mad at me? -KATE: Peter, let's go. 734 00:32:19,375 --> 00:32:21,250 JONATHAN: It's fine. It's fine. It's just a long day. 735 00:32:21,333 --> 00:32:22,875 All right, guys. Thanks for coming. 736 00:32:22,959 --> 00:32:24,417 -KATE: Okay. -JONATHAN: Don't worry about it. 737 00:32:24,500 --> 00:32:26,000 KATE: So we'll come back for our car tomorrow? 738 00:32:26,083 --> 00:32:28,542 -JONATHAN: Uh, is it that one? -KATE: No, it's across the street. 739 00:32:28,625 --> 00:32:30,166 (INDISTINCT CHATTER CONTINUES) 740 00:32:30,250 --> 00:32:31,917 (AVA SIGHS) 741 00:32:35,208 --> 00:32:36,667 JONATHAN: You're welcome. Bye. 742 00:32:36,750 --> 00:32:37,959 (DOOR CLOSES) 743 00:32:42,417 --> 00:32:43,959 (CAR ENGINE REVVING) 744 00:33:01,458 --> 00:33:04,583 ♪ (QUIET VIOLIN MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 745 00:33:10,083 --> 00:33:12,166 (MOUTHING INAUDIBLY) 746 00:33:12,250 --> 00:33:13,542 (WHISPERING) I'll be right there. 747 00:33:14,625 --> 00:33:17,250 ♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 748 00:33:29,792 --> 00:33:31,000 Sorry I left you down there. 749 00:33:31,083 --> 00:33:32,291 It's okay, sweetie. 750 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,083 I couldn't take it anymore. 751 00:33:36,166 --> 00:33:38,125 JONATHAN: Yeah, he was really drunk. 752 00:33:38,208 --> 00:33:39,375 MIRA: It was tragic. 753 00:33:39,458 --> 00:33:40,792 JONATHAN: Tragic, why? 754 00:33:40,875 --> 00:33:41,875 Why? 755 00:33:41,959 --> 00:33:44,125 Yeah. It's not like we haven't seen that before. 756 00:33:46,542 --> 00:33:47,500 (SPITS) 757 00:33:47,583 --> 00:33:49,208 MIRA: She's really suffering. I'm telling you. 758 00:33:49,291 --> 00:33:50,959 JONATHAN: Yeah, I could see that, but-- 759 00:33:51,041 --> 00:33:53,000 The sad thing is they're basically a good couple 760 00:33:53,083 --> 00:33:55,875 if he hadn't roped her in all his adolescent bullshit. 761 00:33:55,959 --> 00:33:57,125 JONATHAN: Yeah? 762 00:33:58,041 --> 00:34:00,083 You sure it's him that roped her? 763 00:34:00,166 --> 00:34:02,250 Oh, come on. It's not who she is, 764 00:34:02,333 --> 00:34:05,000 -this whole polyamory thing. -(GARGLES) 765 00:34:06,250 --> 00:34:07,834 I think they both get to... 766 00:34:08,917 --> 00:34:10,667 feed off of the drama, you know? 767 00:34:10,750 --> 00:34:13,792 Mm. Well, you get a kick out of it, don't you? 768 00:34:14,959 --> 00:34:18,458 You must admit, darling, it is diverting. 769 00:34:18,542 --> 00:34:21,000 MIRA: (CHUCKLES) Whatever. 770 00:34:26,542 --> 00:34:29,166 ♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 771 00:35:13,417 --> 00:35:15,375 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 772 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,250 (SIGHS) 773 00:35:40,417 --> 00:35:41,583 What is it? 774 00:35:44,917 --> 00:35:46,709 Oh, don't look so scared. 775 00:35:46,792 --> 00:35:47,875 I'm not. 776 00:35:48,917 --> 00:35:50,250 What's going on? 777 00:35:55,917 --> 00:35:57,041 I'm pregnant. 778 00:35:59,291 --> 00:36:00,917 -What? -Yeah. 779 00:36:04,291 --> 00:36:05,625 Wow. 780 00:36:07,875 --> 00:36:09,000 Mira. 781 00:36:11,208 --> 00:36:12,250 How? 782 00:36:13,125 --> 00:36:16,834 Uh, well, that weekend. The Cape. 783 00:36:16,917 --> 00:36:19,291 Yeah, I forgot my pills, so I missed a couple days. 784 00:36:19,375 --> 00:36:21,125 Why didn't you tell me you forgot your pills? 785 00:36:21,208 --> 00:36:22,667 Well, I didn't think that it mattered if we... 786 00:36:22,750 --> 00:36:26,041 Well, it shouldn't be so easy to get knocked up at my age. 787 00:36:26,125 --> 00:36:27,375 (CHUCKLES) 788 00:36:27,458 --> 00:36:28,625 I took a... 789 00:36:28,709 --> 00:36:30,208 Well, I was late for my period, 790 00:36:30,291 --> 00:36:33,917 so I took a test this afternoon, and there was a faint blue line. 791 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,667 Okay, so it's a faint line, so maybe... 792 00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:37,250 No, I took a picture of the stick 793 00:36:37,333 --> 00:36:39,709 and sent it to my doctors. 794 00:36:39,792 --> 00:36:41,959 I'm pregnant. (LAUGHS) 795 00:36:42,041 --> 00:36:43,750 -Wow. -Yeah. 796 00:36:44,625 --> 00:36:46,083 -Wow. -Yeah. I've got an appointment 797 00:36:46,166 --> 00:36:48,166 with her next week. Dr. Varona. 798 00:36:48,667 --> 00:36:49,834 Okay. 799 00:36:53,375 --> 00:36:56,375 -Are you happy? Yeah? -Yes, of course. I'm happy. Yes. 800 00:36:56,458 --> 00:36:58,417 I'm just a little-- I'm stunned. 801 00:36:58,500 --> 00:36:59,917 God, me too. (LAUGHS) 802 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,166 I mean, I have no idea what to do. 803 00:37:03,250 --> 00:37:04,625 What do you mean? 804 00:37:04,709 --> 00:37:07,542 Nothing. Nothing. I just-- I don't know. It's... 805 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,917 If we do this, so much is gonna fall on you. 806 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,500 (CLEARS THROAT) Yeah. Yeah. 807 00:37:18,125 --> 00:37:19,542 So, what do you feel? 808 00:37:21,583 --> 00:37:23,542 Well, I don't know. I wanted to know how you felt. 809 00:37:23,625 --> 00:37:25,750 No, no, forget about me for a second. 810 00:37:25,834 --> 00:37:27,083 What do you feel? 811 00:37:27,542 --> 00:37:28,875 (CLEARS THROAT) 812 00:37:30,875 --> 00:37:32,000 I don't know. 813 00:37:33,083 --> 00:37:35,041 -(LAUGHS) -JONATHAN: Okay. 814 00:37:35,125 --> 00:37:38,291 Well, try to think about how you felt 815 00:37:38,375 --> 00:37:40,041 the second that you realized. 816 00:37:40,959 --> 00:37:42,375 -Try to remember. -Fine. 817 00:37:42,875 --> 00:37:45,208 I felt shocked. 818 00:37:45,291 --> 00:37:47,542 And, um, then I had to... 819 00:37:48,542 --> 00:37:50,208 come downstairs for that interview, 820 00:37:50,291 --> 00:37:52,333 so I buried it. And now... 821 00:37:53,375 --> 00:37:54,583 I guess I... 822 00:37:58,125 --> 00:37:59,125 I don't know. 823 00:37:59,208 --> 00:38:00,500 JONATHAN: Come on. You can be honest with me. 824 00:38:00,583 --> 00:38:01,917 Anything that you feel is legitimate. 825 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,041 I don't know how I feel. 826 00:38:03,125 --> 00:38:05,166 How am I supposed to be honest about that? 827 00:38:06,583 --> 00:38:07,667 (CLEARS THROAT) 828 00:38:09,750 --> 00:38:10,792 MIRA: Sorry. 829 00:38:12,041 --> 00:38:15,583 Just trying to figure out how this could have happened. 830 00:38:16,667 --> 00:38:17,709 Yeah. 831 00:38:19,208 --> 00:38:21,417 Maybe the sex had something to do with it. 832 00:38:23,417 --> 00:38:26,125 (SIGHS) Yeah. 833 00:38:29,375 --> 00:38:32,959 Hey, what if-- what if we think about this in, 834 00:38:33,041 --> 00:38:35,500 I don't know, like a slightly more... 835 00:38:35,583 --> 00:38:37,750 (CLEARS THROAT) ...deterministic way? 836 00:38:37,834 --> 00:38:40,750 You know, like, it's the Lord's doing, right? 837 00:38:40,834 --> 00:38:42,333 -What? -Not in a religious sense. 838 00:38:42,417 --> 00:38:43,834 -Not in a religious sense. -Okay. 839 00:38:43,917 --> 00:38:46,709 I just mean, like, I mean, you know, okay, 840 00:38:46,792 --> 00:38:49,417 you forgot your pills. 841 00:38:49,750 --> 00:38:50,875 Uh-huh. 842 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,417 And you still...? 843 00:38:53,583 --> 00:38:54,542 Yeah. 844 00:38:54,625 --> 00:38:56,250 JONATHAN: And you immediately got pregnant. 845 00:38:56,333 --> 00:38:59,709 So is it possible that there's a part of you that-- 846 00:38:59,792 --> 00:39:03,083 wanted this or thought that we should have this? 847 00:39:04,250 --> 00:39:06,709 Where is this coming from? 848 00:39:06,792 --> 00:39:09,375 -It's so... -JONATHAN: I know, I know. 849 00:39:09,458 --> 00:39:11,208 I mean, if you're-- if you're trying to say 850 00:39:11,291 --> 00:39:13,458 that you want to keep it, just say that. 851 00:39:13,542 --> 00:39:14,792 Well... 852 00:39:16,291 --> 00:39:17,417 I... 853 00:39:17,500 --> 00:39:19,291 I-- It's what we talked about originally. 854 00:39:19,375 --> 00:39:21,875 Yeah. But originally, it was completely abstract. 855 00:39:21,959 --> 00:39:23,458 I mean, it was... 856 00:39:23,542 --> 00:39:25,208 before we knew anything about anything, 857 00:39:25,291 --> 00:39:26,291 it was before Ava, 858 00:39:26,375 --> 00:39:28,583 before we knew what it was actually like. 859 00:39:33,500 --> 00:39:34,542 What? 860 00:39:40,542 --> 00:39:41,625 You... 861 00:39:43,250 --> 00:39:46,083 -You wanna keep it, right? -I think so. Yeah, I think so. 862 00:39:46,166 --> 00:39:48,208 I think we can handle it, but only if it's something 863 00:39:48,291 --> 00:39:50,709 that you really, really want and would be happy about. 864 00:39:55,959 --> 00:39:57,041 I think so. 865 00:39:59,208 --> 00:40:00,625 I think I might. 866 00:40:02,583 --> 00:40:03,792 (JONATHAN COUGHS) 867 00:40:04,375 --> 00:40:05,834 Ava will be thrilled. 868 00:40:06,583 --> 00:40:08,709 -Yeah. -(JONATHAN CHUCKLES) 869 00:40:09,834 --> 00:40:10,834 And your parents. 870 00:40:10,917 --> 00:40:13,542 Oh, God. (COUGHS) Yeah. Yeah. 871 00:40:19,083 --> 00:40:20,959 So, are we going for this? Oh, my God. 872 00:40:21,041 --> 00:40:22,792 JONATHAN: Um...yeah? 873 00:40:22,875 --> 00:40:25,125 -(LAUGHING) Yeah. -JONATHAN: Yeah. Come here. 874 00:40:25,208 --> 00:40:27,041 -Okay. -Come here. 875 00:40:28,625 --> 00:40:31,542 (COUGHING) 876 00:40:32,375 --> 00:40:33,458 MIRA: You okay? 877 00:40:33,542 --> 00:40:36,542 (CONTINUES COUGHING) 878 00:40:37,125 --> 00:40:38,375 Here. 879 00:40:44,166 --> 00:40:45,875 (INHALES) 880 00:40:50,583 --> 00:40:52,333 (EXHALES) Don't... 881 00:40:53,083 --> 00:40:54,333 Don't look at me like that. 882 00:40:54,417 --> 00:40:55,875 This is-- this doesn't mean anything. 883 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,250 -Right. -(COUGHS) 884 00:40:57,333 --> 00:40:59,792 -It only means you're panicking. -It doesn't mean I'm panicking. 885 00:40:59,875 --> 00:41:02,375 -I had a lot to drink. -Yeah, hmm. 886 00:41:02,458 --> 00:41:04,792 But you know what, even if I was panicking, so what? 887 00:41:04,875 --> 00:41:06,166 This is a really big deal, okay? 888 00:41:06,250 --> 00:41:08,250 This is irreversible, what we're talking about here. 889 00:41:08,333 --> 00:41:10,583 -MIRA: Mm-hmm. -(SIGHS) 890 00:41:11,250 --> 00:41:12,250 What? 891 00:41:15,458 --> 00:41:18,125 You know, it just sucks that neither one of us 892 00:41:18,208 --> 00:41:22,250 could be completely happy and confident about this-- 893 00:41:22,333 --> 00:41:24,834 Yeah, but-- that's because I see how ambivalent you are about it. 894 00:41:24,917 --> 00:41:27,333 -Well, yeah. Of course I'm ambivalent. -JONATHAN: Yeah. 895 00:41:27,417 --> 00:41:29,333 I mean, you remember those first two years with Ava? 896 00:41:29,417 --> 00:41:30,959 -Yeah. -Thinking about jumping back 897 00:41:31,041 --> 00:41:32,125 into that nightmare. 898 00:41:32,208 --> 00:41:33,834 Yeah. I was there too. I remember. 899 00:41:33,917 --> 00:41:36,625 MIRA: I know you were. I know you've been an amazing partner, 900 00:41:36,709 --> 00:41:38,166 but you don't-- you couldn't, like-- 901 00:41:38,250 --> 00:41:39,375 JONATHAN: I couldn't-- I couldn't be 902 00:41:39,458 --> 00:41:40,583 -where you were. -No, you could not. 903 00:41:40,667 --> 00:41:42,291 JONATHAN: I couldn't be in your place. I know. 904 00:41:42,375 --> 00:41:43,458 You tried and... 905 00:41:44,458 --> 00:41:45,625 But you couldn't. 906 00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:50,000 I took that out on you. I took it-- 907 00:41:50,083 --> 00:41:52,709 I was just awful to you. I was awful. 908 00:41:52,792 --> 00:41:54,792 We-- we talked about it, 909 00:41:54,875 --> 00:41:56,542 and I understood where that came from. 910 00:41:56,625 --> 00:41:57,917 -You know? -I know you understood, 911 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,083 but you were also hurt. 912 00:42:01,125 --> 00:42:03,458 That's why you become distant, and I hated you 913 00:42:03,542 --> 00:42:06,125 for being distant, and I hated myself even more for... 914 00:42:06,792 --> 00:42:08,500 being so shitty to you. 915 00:42:10,709 --> 00:42:13,458 -I felt like a terrible mom. -Oh, sweetie, I... 916 00:42:14,792 --> 00:42:16,625 That was a nightmare for you. 917 00:42:16,709 --> 00:42:18,375 It was a nightmare for both of us. 918 00:42:18,458 --> 00:42:19,500 Yeah. 919 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,834 And it took so long to, like... 920 00:42:23,917 --> 00:42:26,000 feel like myself again, you know? 921 00:42:26,083 --> 00:42:27,834 And now we're good, and... 922 00:42:28,750 --> 00:42:30,542 And Ava's so good, and... 923 00:42:30,625 --> 00:42:32,417 Especially when she's with you, she's-- 924 00:42:32,500 --> 00:42:35,041 -Aw, come on. -Kidding. 925 00:42:35,834 --> 00:42:36,834 (CLEARS THROAT) 926 00:42:38,875 --> 00:42:40,625 It's just like I finally... 927 00:42:42,166 --> 00:42:45,291 returned to my life. 928 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:50,834 I feel so guilty about what I'm saying. 929 00:42:50,917 --> 00:42:52,583 Sweetie, you shouldn't feel guilty. 930 00:42:52,667 --> 00:42:54,333 It makes perfect sense, you know? 931 00:42:54,417 --> 00:42:56,000 Yeah. (SNIFFLES) 932 00:42:58,667 --> 00:43:01,083 It's like, um... 933 00:43:01,166 --> 00:43:04,375 all of a sudden, everything is unreal. 934 00:43:06,166 --> 00:43:07,834 Everything that we had, 935 00:43:08,917 --> 00:43:10,250 you, you're not real. 936 00:43:10,333 --> 00:43:12,959 Ava isn't. It's just-- it's this thing. 937 00:43:13,041 --> 00:43:16,417 It's this pregnancy. It's the only thing that's real. 938 00:43:16,500 --> 00:43:19,208 -It's... -Hey, Mira. 939 00:43:20,208 --> 00:43:21,166 Yeah. 940 00:43:21,250 --> 00:43:23,000 -Babe. -What? 941 00:43:27,709 --> 00:43:29,959 Mm. (SNIFFLES) 942 00:43:30,041 --> 00:43:32,291 It's painful wanting something and not wanting it 943 00:43:32,375 --> 00:43:34,291 at the same time. You know? 944 00:43:34,375 --> 00:43:36,875 JONATHAN: Yeah, yeah. 945 00:43:38,667 --> 00:43:40,333 But think about it. 946 00:43:41,959 --> 00:43:45,000 -Yeah. -When Ava was a baby, we had no perspective at all. 947 00:43:45,083 --> 00:43:46,834 We thought it was gonna be like that forever. 948 00:43:46,917 --> 00:43:49,125 -Right. -And now we see that it passes, right? 949 00:43:50,083 --> 00:43:53,000 -(MIRA SNIFFLES) -It gets better. Right? 950 00:43:53,083 --> 00:43:54,917 -That's true. -Yeah. 951 00:43:58,792 --> 00:44:01,667 You know, Ava's totally obsessed with having a little sister. 952 00:44:01,750 --> 00:44:03,375 -Yeah. -If it's.... 953 00:44:03,458 --> 00:44:04,750 a boy, that'll be rough. 954 00:44:04,834 --> 00:44:07,208 Well, it'll have to be a girl then. 955 00:44:07,291 --> 00:44:09,291 We'll raise it a girl, regardless. 956 00:44:16,875 --> 00:44:19,041 Either way, they're gonna want their own rooms eventually. 957 00:44:19,125 --> 00:44:20,208 Mm-hmm. 958 00:44:20,291 --> 00:44:21,959 But it should be a pretty easy renovation, you know, 959 00:44:22,041 --> 00:44:24,792 to divide Ava's room in half. 960 00:44:26,333 --> 00:44:29,208 We'll have to steal a little square footage from the hallway, 961 00:44:29,291 --> 00:44:31,000 put up a little drywall, right? 962 00:44:31,083 --> 00:44:32,125 Sure. 963 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,041 I love you. You know that, right? 964 00:44:39,125 --> 00:44:40,291 Yes, I do. 965 00:44:41,542 --> 00:44:42,917 (SIGHS) 966 00:44:44,834 --> 00:44:48,542 ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 967 00:44:48,625 --> 00:44:51,792 (BIRDS CHIRPING) 968 00:44:52,959 --> 00:44:56,792 (SPRINKLER RUNNING) 969 00:45:10,166 --> 00:45:12,166 (CLOCK TICKING) 970 00:45:26,667 --> 00:45:28,417 (KNOCKING) 971 00:45:28,500 --> 00:45:31,458 -DR. VARONA: Yup, come in. -Hi? Sorry. Am I late? I'm late. 972 00:45:31,542 --> 00:45:34,208 MIRA: It's fine. We just, uh-- we're just starting out. 973 00:45:34,291 --> 00:45:36,000 -Sorry. Sorry. -DR. VARONA: Yeah, no problem. 974 00:45:36,083 --> 00:45:38,583 -Nice... nice to see you. -Good to see you. 975 00:45:38,667 --> 00:45:40,417 DR. VARONA: So, I was just starting to explain 976 00:45:40,500 --> 00:45:42,375 -the procedure to Mira. -Great. 977 00:45:44,166 --> 00:45:47,375 DR. VARONA: As I said, you'll take the mifepristone here today, 978 00:45:47,458 --> 00:45:48,834 and that blocks your progesterone, 979 00:45:48,917 --> 00:45:50,583 effectively ending the pregnancy. 980 00:45:50,667 --> 00:45:53,417 And then I'll send you home with four pills of misoprostol, 981 00:45:53,500 --> 00:45:55,208 and that'll bring on contractions. 982 00:45:55,291 --> 00:45:58,667 -MIRA: Mm-hmm. -So that can be not so fun. 983 00:45:58,750 --> 00:46:01,291 You'll have cramping and heavy bleeding. 984 00:46:01,375 --> 00:46:03,417 You'll pass some large clots, 985 00:46:03,500 --> 00:46:05,417 and you might have nausea, 986 00:46:05,500 --> 00:46:09,417 vomiting, diarrhea, dizziness, and in rare cases, fever. 987 00:46:10,125 --> 00:46:12,709 It's like a stomach virus. 988 00:46:14,375 --> 00:46:15,792 Great. 989 00:46:15,875 --> 00:46:17,208 DR. VARONA: So that's all normal. 990 00:46:17,291 --> 00:46:20,208 But if you have any side effects that worry you, just call. 991 00:46:21,750 --> 00:46:24,000 Does it still seem like what you wanna do? 992 00:46:26,500 --> 00:46:27,959 Yeah. 993 00:46:28,041 --> 00:46:29,291 DR. VARONA: While you're here, 994 00:46:29,375 --> 00:46:31,333 do you wanna talk about contraception, 995 00:46:31,417 --> 00:46:33,625 since the pill wasn't your friend this time? 996 00:46:33,709 --> 00:46:35,458 Yeah, I was just saying to Jonathan 997 00:46:35,542 --> 00:46:37,333 that I was amazed that, um, 998 00:46:37,417 --> 00:46:39,458 could still have an accident at my age. 999 00:46:40,083 --> 00:46:41,834 You'll be... 1000 00:46:41,917 --> 00:46:44,000 -40 in November, right? -Mm-hmm. 1001 00:46:44,083 --> 00:46:45,417 DR. VARONA: Yeah. That's gonna keep 1002 00:46:45,500 --> 00:46:47,250 -getting less likely. -MIRA: Yeah, totally. 1003 00:46:47,333 --> 00:46:48,583 DR. VARONA: But in the meantime-- 1004 00:46:48,667 --> 00:46:50,333 So there are a bunch of long-term options. 1005 00:46:50,417 --> 00:46:52,291 There's Implanon, which is an arm insert. 1006 00:46:52,375 --> 00:46:53,959 -I could place that here today. -Mm-hmm. 1007 00:46:54,041 --> 00:46:56,125 DR. VARONA: And there are IUDs, the ParaGard, 1008 00:46:56,208 --> 00:46:57,875 which is plain copper, 1009 00:46:57,959 --> 00:46:59,083 or the Mirena, 1010 00:46:59,166 --> 00:47:01,375 which is very popular, it's a hormone-releasing IUD. 1011 00:47:02,250 --> 00:47:03,500 MIRA: Maybe the copper one. 1012 00:47:03,583 --> 00:47:05,166 It would be nice to give my body a break 1013 00:47:05,250 --> 00:47:06,750 -from all those hormones. -DR. VARONA: Mm-hmm. 1014 00:47:06,834 --> 00:47:08,834 Yeah. Well, I can place that at your follow-up. 1015 00:47:08,917 --> 00:47:11,375 -And, uh, you can think about it a little more. -Okay. 1016 00:47:11,458 --> 00:47:14,291 DR. VARONA: For now, just throw out your current package of pills 1017 00:47:14,375 --> 00:47:16,166 and start a new one tomorrow. 1018 00:47:16,250 --> 00:47:17,625 -Okay? -Yeah. 1019 00:47:18,583 --> 00:47:20,291 DR. VARONA: Any questions? 1020 00:47:21,417 --> 00:47:22,417 MIRA: Nope. 1021 00:47:22,500 --> 00:47:24,625 DR. VARONA: Okay. I'm gonna go get the medicine. 1022 00:47:24,709 --> 00:47:25,750 Okay. 1023 00:47:28,792 --> 00:47:29,834 (DOOR CLOSES) 1024 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,834 MIRA: She has to warn us about the symptoms, 1025 00:47:32,917 --> 00:47:35,166 but it's, uh, it's the simplest procedure. 1026 00:47:35,250 --> 00:47:37,083 Yeah. Yeah. No, I know. I know. 1027 00:47:40,583 --> 00:47:42,583 I'm gonna get us something to drink. 1028 00:47:42,667 --> 00:47:43,625 Diet Coke, is that good? 1029 00:47:43,709 --> 00:47:45,208 No, I don't need-- I don't need anything. 1030 00:47:45,291 --> 00:47:46,917 No, I'll get us one. There's a vending machine 1031 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:48,208 right outside the door. 1032 00:47:48,291 --> 00:47:51,125 Um, yeah. I'll be right back, okay? 1033 00:47:51,625 --> 00:47:53,000 MIRA: Uh, fine. 1034 00:48:00,250 --> 00:48:04,333 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 1035 00:48:19,208 --> 00:48:20,500 (CAN DROPS) 1036 00:48:29,792 --> 00:48:31,792 Hey? I'll be right there. 1037 00:48:31,875 --> 00:48:32,875 Okay. 1038 00:48:36,041 --> 00:48:39,417 (BREATHES IN, CLEARS THROAT) 1039 00:48:45,500 --> 00:48:48,417 Hey. So, they only had Pepsi. 1040 00:48:48,500 --> 00:48:49,500 -Is that okay? -That's fine. 1041 00:48:49,583 --> 00:48:50,834 -JONATHAN: It's all right? -Mm-hmm. 1042 00:48:50,917 --> 00:48:52,250 JONATHAN: I'm sure there's, like, a cup 1043 00:48:52,333 --> 00:48:53,875 around here somewhere. 1044 00:48:53,959 --> 00:48:56,291 MIRA: No, it's fine. I'll just drink it straight from the can. 1045 00:48:56,375 --> 00:48:58,166 I'm sure there's something. Maybe here. 1046 00:48:58,250 --> 00:48:59,250 MIRA: Jonathan. 1047 00:48:59,333 --> 00:49:00,792 Oh, I think there's something here. 1048 00:49:00,875 --> 00:49:02,125 MIRA: Come here for a second. 1049 00:49:02,208 --> 00:49:03,750 Oh, fuck, it's a urine sample cup. 1050 00:49:03,834 --> 00:49:06,208 Okay. Come over here. Sit down for a second. 1051 00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:13,166 (JONATHAN SIGHS) 1052 00:49:13,250 --> 00:49:14,417 Look at me. 1053 00:49:16,583 --> 00:49:18,458 (LAUGHS) 1054 00:49:20,291 --> 00:49:21,417 Are you okay? 1055 00:49:21,500 --> 00:49:23,959 -Yeah. -Are you mad? 1056 00:49:24,041 --> 00:49:26,542 Am I mad? No. Why would I be mad? 1057 00:49:27,458 --> 00:49:28,917 MIRA: Are you having second thoughts? 1058 00:49:30,166 --> 00:49:31,125 No. 1059 00:49:31,208 --> 00:49:32,959 -MIRA: No? -No, no, no, no. I... 1060 00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:39,250 -I don't-- -I'm just-- 1061 00:49:39,333 --> 00:49:41,000 I don't why I'm feeling like this. 1062 00:49:41,083 --> 00:49:42,750 I didn't expect to feel like that. 1063 00:49:43,417 --> 00:49:44,834 No, it's okay, honey. 1064 00:49:44,917 --> 00:49:47,083 -It's fine. -JONATHAN: Yeah. 1065 00:49:47,166 --> 00:49:49,667 You know, I'm-- it's not easy for me either. 1066 00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:52,166 JONATHAN: No, no, no, no, no. Of course. Of course. Uh... 1067 00:49:52,250 --> 00:49:54,917 Sorry, I'm not, um, trying to make-- No, yeah. 1068 00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:59,166 I know you-- you're the one that has to-- has to go through it. 1069 00:50:03,333 --> 00:50:06,458 We're making the right decision here. 1070 00:50:07,792 --> 00:50:09,792 We talked about it. 1071 00:50:09,875 --> 00:50:12,709 I don't think there's a single angle that we haven't covered 1072 00:50:12,792 --> 00:50:14,959 over the last ten days. 1073 00:50:15,041 --> 00:50:16,959 Yeah, I don't-- I don't think there is. 1074 00:50:18,041 --> 00:50:19,125 JONATHAN: Yeah. 1075 00:50:29,458 --> 00:50:30,667 You know, I was thinking 1076 00:50:30,750 --> 00:50:33,333 we could still go ahead with the renovation. 1077 00:50:33,417 --> 00:50:34,792 -You know? Like-- -No. 1078 00:50:34,875 --> 00:50:38,625 MIRA: Yeah. Like, we can move Ava's play area into her room 1079 00:50:38,709 --> 00:50:41,583 and, you know, make your study back the way that it was before. 1080 00:50:41,667 --> 00:50:42,583 That's never gonna work. 1081 00:50:42,667 --> 00:50:43,917 She's gonna reclaim it within hours. 1082 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,917 Well, then we use the attic. I mean, we always said that 1083 00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:47,458 we were gonna get to that eventually. 1084 00:50:47,542 --> 00:50:49,208 JONATHAN: I'm okay. I'm good where my office is. 1085 00:50:49,291 --> 00:50:50,583 -I don't need-- -Well, I have a vision. 1086 00:50:50,667 --> 00:50:52,750 -Just, you know, leave it to me. -JONATHAN: Okay, okay. Okay. 1087 00:50:52,834 --> 00:50:55,333 -You're gonna thank me. -Okay. Okay. 1088 00:50:56,417 --> 00:50:58,041 -(KNOCKING ON DOOR) -MIRA: Oh. 1089 00:50:58,125 --> 00:51:00,166 -DR. VARONA: Sorry about that. -It's okay. 1090 00:51:01,041 --> 00:51:04,000 -Here you go. -MIRA: Thanks. 1091 00:51:06,667 --> 00:51:09,041 (TABLET STUB RATTLING) 1092 00:51:27,709 --> 00:51:31,375 DR. VARONA: Okay. And here's the misoprostol 1093 00:51:32,375 --> 00:51:34,208 that you will take at home tomorrow. 1094 00:51:34,291 --> 00:51:35,500 MIRA: Mm-hmm. 1095 00:51:35,583 --> 00:51:37,625 DR. VARONA: Take some ibuprofen about an hour before you put 1096 00:51:37,709 --> 00:51:39,709 the tablets in your cheek, okay? 1097 00:51:41,375 --> 00:51:42,458 All right. Here you go. 1098 00:51:42,542 --> 00:51:44,291 -MIRA: Mm-hmm. -See you in a couple weeks. 1099 00:51:44,375 --> 00:51:45,834 -MIRA: Okay. -JONATHAN: Thank you. 1100 00:51:47,458 --> 00:51:48,458 MIRA: Oh. 1101 00:51:48,542 --> 00:51:50,250 -Are you okay? -Yeah. 1102 00:51:52,709 --> 00:51:54,041 (MIRA GROANS) 1103 00:51:54,125 --> 00:51:55,959 I feel a little nauseous. 1104 00:51:56,041 --> 00:51:57,583 I'm fine. It's fine. 1105 00:51:57,667 --> 00:52:00,834 I'm sure, um, it's just the power of suggestion. 1106 00:52:00,917 --> 00:52:04,000 DR. VARONA: Just rest until it passes, okay? 1107 00:52:04,083 --> 00:52:07,375 If you do vomit, you'll have to take the medicine again. 1108 00:52:08,417 --> 00:52:11,625 I'll ask the nurse to check in on you in a bit. 1109 00:52:11,709 --> 00:52:14,291 -Okay. Feel better. -MIRA: Hmm. 1110 00:52:17,917 --> 00:52:20,208 -(DOOR CLOSES) -(MIRA GROANS QUIETLY) 1111 00:52:20,750 --> 00:52:22,417 -You okay? -Mm-mm. 1112 00:52:23,917 --> 00:52:24,917 Okay. 1113 00:52:35,542 --> 00:52:37,083 (WHISPERING) I feel awful. 1114 00:52:40,625 --> 00:52:42,542 I'm sure you'll feel better tomorrow. 1115 00:52:48,375 --> 00:52:49,875 Why don't you go home to Ava? 1116 00:52:49,959 --> 00:52:52,375 -I'll take a car home. -JONATHAN: No, no. No way. 1117 00:52:52,458 --> 00:52:53,792 I'm staying here. 1118 00:52:53,875 --> 00:52:56,291 -Veronica's with Ava. She's-- -Jonathan, I-- 1119 00:52:56,792 --> 00:52:58,709 JONATHAN: What? 1120 00:52:58,792 --> 00:53:02,250 I'd like to be alone for a little bit. Is that okay? 1121 00:53:03,625 --> 00:53:04,834 -Yeah. -MIRA: Yeah? 1122 00:53:04,917 --> 00:53:07,041 Of course. Of course. 1123 00:53:07,125 --> 00:53:09,166 Here, I'll leave this right here, okay? 1124 00:53:09,250 --> 00:53:10,333 MIRA: Yup. You're not-- 1125 00:53:10,417 --> 00:53:11,875 -You're sure it's fine? -Yes, of course, sweetie. 1126 00:53:11,959 --> 00:53:14,583 It's fine. It's fine. I'm totally fine, yeah. 1127 00:53:14,667 --> 00:53:17,250 -I'll go do a little work in the waiting... -Mm-hmm. 1128 00:53:17,333 --> 00:53:19,000 ...room over there, okay? And you just come out 1129 00:53:19,083 --> 00:53:20,417 -whenever you're ready. -MIRA: Yeah, just-- 1130 00:53:20,500 --> 00:53:22,125 -it won't be long. -Yeah. Take your time. 1131 00:53:22,208 --> 00:53:23,959 -I've got my phone, so... -Okay. 1132 00:53:31,333 --> 00:53:32,625 (DOOR CLOSES) 1133 00:53:48,250 --> 00:53:51,959 (SOBBING) 1134 00:53:58,917 --> 00:54:01,667 (SOBBING) 1135 00:54:06,667 --> 00:54:11,208 ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1136 00:54:24,792 --> 00:54:27,875 (INSECTS BUZZING) 1137 00:54:38,125 --> 00:54:41,417 (BIRDS CHIRPING) 1138 00:54:47,041 --> 00:54:50,583 ♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪