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MATT: When you're
in the middle of a hurricane

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you don't really know
how you feel,

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but we started feeling
indescribably bad for Janet

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and the reaction

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that was starting
to coalesce against her.

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REPORTER: Classless, crass,
and deplorable stuff.

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‐ Meanwhile, many are asking
what happened to the line

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that shouldn't be crossed?

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REPORTER: Janet Jackson says
it was all her fault.

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‐ For her flash dance.

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REPORTER: Just say,
"I'm a trollop."

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TIM: If the culture wars
could have a 9/11,

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it's February 1, 2004.

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REPORTER:
89 million viewers watch‐‐

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REPORTER: Janet Jackson's
R‐rated Super Bowl stunt.

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REPORTER: The exposure of
Janet Jackson's breast during‐‐

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‐ Janet Jackson.
‐ Janet Jackson.

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REPORTER:
Looking into television
and the large amounts

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of sex and violence
is an old political trick,

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and there's always
a bit of demagoguery involved.

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CATHY: There was
no equality of punishment.

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‐ I am really sorry.

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REPORTER: She is taking
the complete fall for this.

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‐ It's a Black thing.

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JANEL JACKSON:
I'm sure you guys are sick of
hearing about it.

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I know I am, let's‐‐
ask me about something else.

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‐ I'm not so sure they are sick
of hearing about it.

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JENNA: To see it on that
scale happening to someone

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like Janet‐‐
it didn't just happen to her.

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It rippled
and touched all of us.

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I still don't understand
how hard they came for Janet.

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‐ Ladies and gentlemen,

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I'd like to introduce
Janet Jackson.

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How you doing?

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TITO:
If you're a Jackson, you know,

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you're born onstage.

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HOST: Hiya, Janet.
‐ Hi.

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‐ Is this your first‐‐isn't
your first time on television?

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‐ Yes.

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‐ Do you ever watch me
when you're home?

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‐ Yes.
‐ Ah, aren't you nice?

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‐ Janet was not a shy person.

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‐ Are you ready to sing
your big number with Randy?

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‐ Yes.
‐ Oh, I can't wait.

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‐ She would come out and do
her little number with Randy.

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RANDY: Take it away, Janet.

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‐ ♪ Charleston was once
the rage, de da da ♪

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RANDY: And she did
a little Mae West.

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Throwing her hips
and, "Come here, lover boy."

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‐ How would you call
your lover boy?

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‐ I would say...

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[laughter]

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Come here, lover boy.

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TITO: You're watching
your older siblings

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do what they do, and...

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MERV: Janet, congratulations.
That was terrific.

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‐ You can't help
but join in, I guess.

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CHORUS: ♪ Good times ♪

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SINGER:
♪ Any time you need a friend ♪

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TITO: Janet joined
the "Good Times" series.

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‐ Hi.

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TITO: We just remembered
seeing her rushing home.

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Can't miss an episode.

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‐ I'm sorry, Mom,
I won't do it again, I promise.

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DANYEL: I think that
people forget that there just

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were not that many
Black people on television.

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And for me,
as a little girl growing up

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in the 1970s and 1980s,

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seeing her as Penny
on "Good Times,"

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then seeing her
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as Wilson's girlfriend.

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Then seeing her on "Fame."
Like, come on.

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She was a mirror of me.

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Man, she was going through
what I was going through,

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on television, and there was
almost no place else to look.

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‐ I'm Cathy Hughes.

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I'm the founder and chairperson
of Urban One Inc.,

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the largest Black‐owned
media company in the country.

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The pressure that was on her
had to be very significant.

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White executives always,
always start from the premise

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of what is acceptable
to their white audience.

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And because
we have been brainwashed

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that white is beautiful,
you have a pressure

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that does not exist
for a white female artist.

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There is
a double/triple standard

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that she had to live up to,
at a very impressionable age.

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MICHAEL:
In 1984, I got the chance

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to interview Janet Jackson.

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She was just starting out,

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and she was known
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She actually said to me,

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"I wouldn't mind doing
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if they have any parts
for chubby girls."

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ANDERSON COOPER:
When you were on "Good Times,"

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there were people
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constantly talking
about your body image.

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‐ I remember
I was getting dressed

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for the very,
very first episode.

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The wardrobe lady, while
she was dressing me, she says,

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"I have to put bandages
around your chest."

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I immediately thought,
"As I am isn't good enough."

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And then it was told to me
that the next season

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I was too heavy.
That I needed to lose weight.

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PRODUCER:
What was the nickname
the brothers gave her?

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‐ Donkey.
Donk sometimes, for short.

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JANET: That's my nickname
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one of my nicknames. Donk.

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‐ Where does Donk come from?

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‐ Do you really want to know?
‐ Yeah.

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‐ From a donkey.

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Well, see,
now it seems redundant.

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‐ A donkey?
‐ Yeah.

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It was‐‐my body shaped
like a donkey. I got teased‐‐

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‐ You had a body shaped
like a donkey?

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‐ Yeah. I got teased a lot,
as a kid.

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I got called a lot of names.

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‐ Including Donk?

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‐ Donk. Pig. Cow.
Slaughter hog. Horse.

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‐ Oh, that had to be
a lot of laughs.

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‐ Laughs for somebody.

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CATHY:
During those early days,

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Janet was a little girl
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but Joe was preparing everyone
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into the music industry.

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And being on television
gave her a world of exposure

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that her brothers and sisters
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‐ Having already
established herself

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as a very gifted actress,
her name is Janet Jackson.

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‐ ♪ I may be young,
but I'm not foolish. ♪

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PERSON: She has just released
an album.

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Here is Janet Jackson.
My, you're a pretty young lady.

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‐ Gee, thanks.

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‐ Your eyes‐‐is that your
best feature, do you think?

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‐ I don't know.

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CHRIS: There were two albums,
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One called "Janet Jackson,"

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the other called
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And you can think
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as the Joe Jackson
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JANET: Marlon produced
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"You Don't Stand"
and another song,

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"All My Love to You,"
and all my brothers

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sing background
on "You Don't Stand."

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♪ Nothing you can do or say
can make him look your way ♪

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CHRIS: She is following
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that has worked for
the Jacksons, lo, this last

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decade/decade‐and‐a‐half,

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and none of it really works.

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‐ My father managed me
ever since I was 7 years old.

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Ever since I started
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‐ LaToya and Michael speak
quite harshly

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about your father's control

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and talk of one kind
of violence or another.

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Was he rough on you?

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‐ No, being African‐American,
we always use the word "beat,"

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but it's not‐‐it's getting a
spanking is what it really is.

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‐ Did it go too far though?
‐ With my father?

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No, not that I know of.
Not at all.

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It was never something
that we didn't deserve.

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JESUS: At the point
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she was ready to bust out.

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She was transitioning
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into womanhood,

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who wanted to take control.

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She wanted to be
the CEO of her life.

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JANET: When I was about 14,

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I signed
my first recording contract.

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Yeah, 14.

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Everything was given to me.
Handed to me.

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"Here, sing this.
Do this," and I hated it.

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I said, "No more."

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I refused to do
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‐ At that point,
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A&M realized that
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and offered her a contract.

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That move was
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Either she was
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or he was gonna be in control.

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‐ ♪ When I was 17,
I did what people told me ♪

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♪ ♪

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♪ Did what my father said
and let my mother mold me ♪

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I've decided to take control
of my life.

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♪ I'm in ♪ ♪ CHORUS: Control ♪

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JESUS: I remember listening
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for the first time.

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I said, man, this thing
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It's gonna be a blockbuster,
homerun album.

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‐ ♪ What have you done
for me lately? ♪

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♪ The pleasure principle,
whoa ♪

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♪ Oh, ooh So in love ♪

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♪ Nasty, nasty boys, no,
my first name ain't Baby ♪

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♪ It's Janet ♪

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♪ Ms. Jackson,
if you're nasty ♪

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DIANA ROSS:
She's in complete control.

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Her album is still
in the top ten.

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‐ It was very easy
for those of us in Black radio.

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We already loved her.
We wanted her to win.

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‐ I can't tell you how thrilled
I am to present Janet Jackson!

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CHRIS: To be a Black woman

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who crossed from R&B
to pop and back...

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‐ Janet Jackson.
"Control."

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CHRIS: You really have
to find a new mode.

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She's really finding
her own lane

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and coming up
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of what a Black female
pop star sounded like.

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‐ ♪ Five, four,
three, two, one ♪

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♪ ♪

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TOURE:
I mean, like, if we thought
"Control" was the shit,

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"Rhythm Nation" was like,
"Oh, my God!

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This is amazing."

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‐ ♪ We are a part
of the rhythm nation ♪

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♪ Whoo! ♪

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CHRIS: "Rhythm Nation 1814"

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is effectively
Janet's "What's Going On?"

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‐ ♪ Prejudice, no ♪

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CHRIS: She's inspired to do
a message album.

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DANYEL: As a Black woman,
listen,

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it was just an immediate
anthem of strength.

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MICHAEL:
She dealt with issues.

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She dealt with equality.

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She empowered women,

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and she was all too right for
the conservatives to pounce.

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PERSON: Three... two...

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REPORTER:
Where do you draw the line

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between, you know,
good taste and vulgarity?

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‐ Yeah, that line between, uh,

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class and being crass,
being classy and...

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It's a‐‐you have
to be very careful.

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‐ I remember my parents being
concerned about what messages

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I was getting
from pop music, at the time.

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Even though Janet
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it wasn't just a free‐for‐all.

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‐ ♪ If I was your girl,
the things I'd do to you ♪

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♪ I'd make you call up my name
I'd ask who it belongs to ♪

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TOURE: "Janet" is the album
that I reviewed

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for "Rolling Stone"
that was like,

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"I got it," in terms of,
like, who she is

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as a person and her development
as a woman,

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now, saying, like,
"I am full, I am sexual."

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The person who had been like,
"Let's wait a while,"

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was now talking about,
"Any time, any place."

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‐ ♪ I don't want
to stop just because ♪

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♪ People standing round
and watching us ♪

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It's just a side of me
that's always been there,

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but I've never shared it
with the public before,

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and it was finally time.

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‐ But to some people,
it might be shocking, I guess.

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I mean‐‐
‐ It definitely would be.

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Especially growing up
in this business.

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"Oh, my God, she's not
a baby anymore; she's a woman."

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‐ She has a sex life.
‐ [laughs]

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‐ Yeah, my gracious.
‐ Yes.

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ROSIE: Can I
tell you something?

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If I looked like this naked,
I would be naked right now.

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TOURE: The "Rolling Stone"
cover is iconic.

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JENNA: It was everywhere.
She looked so confident.

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The hands behind the head.
Yes, we're getting Janet.

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Yes, it's racy,
but these are intimate hands.

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That's her man.

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CHRIS: She is unabashed about
being an object of desire,

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in a way
that she hadn't before.

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Janet drops this album into the
midst of the '90s culture wars.

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‐ We must take back our culture
and take back our country.

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TOURE:
You see the political right

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starting to push back and say,

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like, "Whoa, the country's
getting too sexual.

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"We are not comfortable
with Ellen..."

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‐ I'm gay.
TOURE: "Coming out, mm‐mm.

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No, get back in the closet.
We don't like this."

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MARC:
You had the moral majority.

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You had the religious right.

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even conservative Democrats,
the Tipper Gores

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of the world,
who would be emerging.

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‐ Placing a warning label
on music products

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inappropriate
for younger children,

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due to explicit, sexual,
or violent lyrics.

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MARC: We had all of
these movements saying

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America had lost its values.
America was going to hell,

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and we needed stronger
conservative values.

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DEMONSTRATOR: Jesus died
on the cross for you!

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MARC: That was really designed
at policing sexuality,

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attacking art, trying
to destroy multiculturalism.

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CITIZEN: I feel that there is
an undercurrent of racism,

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and that the system
is rotten to the core.

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‐ The Republican party
is complaining about the values

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that are being shared
in pop culture.

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‐ It doesn't help matters when
primetime TV has "Murphy Brown"

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mocking the importance
of fathers.

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[tense music]

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SAM: When you look at
the '90s,

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the guard rails
were flying off.

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Television has such a dominant
position on raising people,

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and raising our children,
and impressionable minds,

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and I clearly believe
that we needed

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to do something
about the kind of culture

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and the kind of climate
we had in America.

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And there were three
specific areas of concern.

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One was language.

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‐ Get the hell out
of my kitchen!

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SAM: One was violence,

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and one was sexuality.

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‐ Good evening,
ladies and gentlemen.

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My name is Tim Winter,

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and I am president of the
Parents Television Council.

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The PTC's mission
is to protect children

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from the graphic sex, violence,
and profanity

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that is so pervasive
in our entertainment media.

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Our concern was that
all these instances

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of isolated profanity‐‐isolated
sexually explicit material

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that was appearing
on broadcast radio

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and television
was gonna become the norm.

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‐ Children today
are being bombarded

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by intensely violent images
in the movies they watch

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and in the videogames
that they play.

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TIM: Brent Bozell,
the founder, had

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strong allies on Capitol Hill.

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‐ And at this point,
I will turn it over

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to Senator Brownback.

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TIM: He knew which members
of Congress were concerned

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about coarsening
of the media culture,

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especially as it related
to children.

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‐ Thank you, Brent,
and Parents Television Council,

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for putting forward
another report.

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SAM:
There was certainly no qualm

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in my mind that we needed to,

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in broadcast television,
put in limits.

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TIM: They had a meeting
at the FCC

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with then‐chairman
Michael Powell.

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There was a growing concern,
at our end,

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about the lack of enforcement
by the FCC

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of a law that Congress
had instructed them to enforce.

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We had filed
numerous complaints,

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and the public had, as well,

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going back to things like
the Bono F‐bomb

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at the Golden Globe awards
on NBC.

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‐ That is really, really
fucking brilliant, and‐‐

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TIM: The naked rear end
on "NYPD Blue."

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Howard Stern,
his radio broadcast.

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‐ I'm a very bad girl.
‐ All right, here we go.

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TIM: And at that time,
Chairman Powell said

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that there were
no public complaints,

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and Brent literally brought out
thousands of petitions

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that had been filed,
by members of the public,

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about broadcast indecency.

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HOST: What show is
#1 on your hitlist?

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BRENT: I would look
at two networks on cable,

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the FX network and MTV.

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FX because it's got
the raunchiest programming.

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MTV because it's aimed
at children.

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HOST: How does your
organization define indecency?

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What's indecent?

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‐ Well, you know, it's like
Justice Potter Stewart said

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about pornography.
You‐‐you know when you see it.

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‐ Janet is walking
in the middle of that...

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Because she's tasteful.

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She's talking about
her sexual awakening.

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She's never putting it
in your face.

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That's not what
she was talking about.

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‐ You have said‐‐and I thought
this was so honest‐‐

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you said, "All I did was do
what I always did.

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"I write about
what's going on in my life.

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I'm being honest
about my own sexuality."

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‐ Yeah.
‐ I do.

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The album has been banned
in a few places, because of‐‐

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‐ Is that good?

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‐ I'm not gonna change it.
It's me.

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It's‐‐it's who I am.

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I think it's beautiful
to express that.

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SHANNON: There's this catch‐22
in terms of

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how women artists, and
women of color in particular,

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gain control
of their own image.

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You're either too sexual.

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The other side of that is,
if you own that,

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now you open up
the floodgates that,

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"Well, if she didn't want to
be sexualized,

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then why did she create
this image

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for herself to begin with?"

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OPRAH: Is your nipple pierced?
JANET: Yes.

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OPRAH: I just want to know
why you pierced your nipple.

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‐ For one, you get
this great sensation.

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[cheers and applause]

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‐ Hello.

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CATHY: I think Janet Jackson
opened Pandora's box

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to what we're seeing now,

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for being the first
who blatantly said,

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"I like who I am.
I like how I look."

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JANET: It's really,
really tough, it really is.

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I mean, am I supposed
to go my entire career

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and not talk about
what I feel inside?

390
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It's getting kind
of lonely up here.

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JENNA:
Our culture doesn't know what
to do with independent women

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and definitely not
independent Black women.

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And forget about
an independent Black woman

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who makes her own money,
who knows who she is,

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and is apparently

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a completely
sexually liberated person.

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And when there is
an opportunity

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to punish her for it, they did.

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[upbeat rock music]

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‐ Smile!

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TOURE: So in the '90s, MTV is

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the biggest radio station
in the country.

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00:18:10,924 --> 00:18:16,347
They are really a dominating
entity within culture.

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00:18:16,347 --> 00:18:19,141
They are really
shaping culture.

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‐ Ahh!
‐ Hi, MTV.

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‐ The 1990 video
van guard award winner.

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‐ And the very deserving
winner is...

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‐ Miss. Janet. Jackson.

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‐ Janet Jackson.

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TOURE: If you could get
40 spins a week on MTV,

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you could become a big star.

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‐ My guest today is
one of the most beautiful

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and talented artists
in the music world.

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She continues to set the mark
which other pop stars are

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simply measured by.
We're delighted to have her.

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Please welcome Janet Jackson
to "TRL."

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[cheers and applause]

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CARSON:
Great to have you here.

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Can we just, for a second,
walk over to the window

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and say "hi" to New York?
JANET: Sure.

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CARSON: Because these people
are gonna go nuts here.

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They've been standing out here
for an abnormal amount of time.

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Since last week, actually.

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SALLI: We understood
live television.

425
00:19:04,687 --> 00:19:07,356
We understood how
to entertain the audience.

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‐ The lady with the sexiest
belly button I've ever seen.

427
00:19:10,317 --> 00:19:12,695
Janet Jackson.

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‐ ♪ Like a moth to the flame,
burned by the fire ♪

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ALAN: Janet had become

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one of the biggest stars
in the world.

431
00:19:20,077 --> 00:19:22,246
Her tours were among
the biggest events

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00:19:22,246 --> 00:19:25,040
in entertainment,
and to be given

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00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,000
an opening spot
for her Velvet Rope tour

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was an enormous platform.

435
00:19:28,419 --> 00:19:30,671
It put you in front of millions
and millions of people

436
00:19:30,671 --> 00:19:32,423
around the world.

437
00:19:32,423 --> 00:19:35,634
And one of the acts that she
reached out to for that tour

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was a young boy band
called NSYNC.

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00:19:40,806 --> 00:19:41,974
NSYNC MEMBER: All right,
well, let's talk about

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this Janet Jackson thing.

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00:19:43,100 --> 00:19:45,018
ALL: Ooh.
‐ Ah.

442
00:19:45,018 --> 00:19:47,187
JUSTIN: Man, let me
tell you how excited I am.

443
00:19:47,187 --> 00:19:48,772
This is Justin.
I just want to say

444
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I've been a big fan of
Janet's for a long, long time.

445
00:19:54,445 --> 00:19:57,573
I watched Janet Jackson's
"Rhythm Nation 1814" video

446
00:19:57,573 --> 00:19:59,074
like a hundred‐gazillion times.

447
00:19:59,074 --> 00:20:00,451
‐ That's her.
‐ It says, "To: Justin."

448
00:20:00,451 --> 00:20:02,369
‐ Yeah, come on, for Justin.
‐ Oh, I love this one.

449
00:20:02,369 --> 00:20:04,413
Aw. PERSON: [speaks language]

450
00:20:04,413 --> 00:20:08,375
‐ Justin.
Aw, shoot.

451
00:20:08,375 --> 00:20:10,252
NSYNC MEMBER: When things were
just starting out for NSYNC,

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Janet took us with her
on the Velvet Rope tour

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and taught us what being
professional was all about.

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‐ Yeah, like how to be fine.

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CROWD: [cheers]

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CHRIS: And then, in 2001, MTV
gives Janet the Icon award.

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00:20:20,804 --> 00:20:22,556
‐ We love Janet
for a whole lot of reasons.

458
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‐ Yeah, like she's fine.

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CHRIS: The night
that they are presenting

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the Icon award to her,

461
00:20:28,854 --> 00:20:30,397
all Justin Timberlake
can comment on,

462
00:20:30,397 --> 00:20:35,444
while his bandmate is extolling
her many skills and talents,

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is how hot she is.

464
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‐ One of our favorite
Janet Jackson videos is

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"That's the Way Love Goes,"

466
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because that video had the
coolest, most laidback groove‐‐

467
00:20:43,619 --> 00:20:46,830
‐ Yeah, she's fine
in the video too, fine.

468
00:20:48,499 --> 00:20:52,169
‐ MTV was a place
where partners would come to us

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for our audience.

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In 2001,
when CBS and MTV merged

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under the umbrella of Viacom,
there was a lot of discussion

472
00:21:04,890 --> 00:21:07,601
about putting
these two brands together.

473
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The NFL started
to sort of take notice.

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00:21:10,854 --> 00:21:14,650
CBS had the Super Bowl in 2001
where they were like,

475
00:21:14,650 --> 00:21:17,653
"Hey, we should work together
to create a spectacle,"

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00:21:17,653 --> 00:21:19,488
and we did.

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ANNOUNCER: May I have
your attention please?

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["Walk This Way" by Aerosmith]

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♪ ♪

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SALLI:
We diversified the halftime

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like no one ever really had.

482
00:21:33,418 --> 00:21:34,920
Everyone was
really proud of it.

483
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,047
Everyone was very pleased.

484
00:21:37,047 --> 00:21:42,886
So in 2004, when CBS once again
had the Super Bowl,

485
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the discussions began about
MTV doing the halftime again.

486
00:21:47,015 --> 00:21:51,645
TOURE: Now, MTV had
a reputation of being badass,

487
00:21:51,645 --> 00:21:55,440
of being subversive,
of pushing boundaries.

488
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:59,278
They had just given us
Madonna kissing Britney Spears

489
00:21:59,278 --> 00:22:01,905
at the front
of their award show.

490
00:22:01,905 --> 00:22:04,199
TIM: We knew that MTV was

491
00:22:04,199 --> 00:22:06,034
likely to bring along
the potential

492
00:22:06,034 --> 00:22:09,663
for risky, racy content,
and we were very mindful

493
00:22:09,663 --> 00:22:12,541
and very concerned about
the family‐friendly nature,

494
00:22:12,541 --> 00:22:16,003
or lack thereof, of that show,
because of MTV producing it.

495
00:22:17,296 --> 00:22:21,008
SALLI: The NFL was very
conscious of, like,

496
00:22:21,008 --> 00:22:23,218
who they were gonna
put on display.

497
00:22:24,469 --> 00:22:27,806
TOURE: They want
these gigantic stars

498
00:22:27,806 --> 00:22:30,559
that will appeal
to multiple generations,

499
00:22:30,559 --> 00:22:33,478
that will appeal to red states
and blue states.

500
00:22:33,478 --> 00:22:37,065
SALLI: Very few artists can
actually sort of

501
00:22:37,065 --> 00:22:38,567
fit that bill,

502
00:22:38,567 --> 00:22:41,904
so the shortlist of talent
that we sort of internally

503
00:22:41,904 --> 00:22:45,741
had vetted went up
the flagpole to the NFL.

504
00:22:45,741 --> 00:22:47,576
We finally all agreed
on Janet,

505
00:22:47,576 --> 00:22:50,829
and we were very excited
when she said yes.

506
00:22:51,914 --> 00:22:53,248
ANNOUNCER: Stay tuned...

507
00:22:56,501 --> 00:22:59,671
for the supercharged AOL Top
Speed Halftime Extravaganza.

508
00:22:59,671 --> 00:23:00,839
‐ See you at halftime.

509
00:23:08,096 --> 00:23:09,431
JANET: ♪ This is sick ♪

510
00:23:09,431 --> 00:23:10,766
DIRECTOR: All right, guys.
Here we go.

511
00:23:10,766 --> 00:23:12,559
TECHNICIAN:
And playback is rolling.

512
00:23:12,559 --> 00:23:14,102
ASSISTANT: We got rolling!

513
00:23:14,102 --> 00:23:16,605
CHRIS: By 2004,
Janet had been off the radar

514
00:23:16,605 --> 00:23:18,231
for a couple of years

515
00:23:18,231 --> 00:23:21,526
when she was, in fact,
about to release a new album.

516
00:23:21,526 --> 00:23:23,445
There's a little bit of,

517
00:23:23,445 --> 00:23:25,405
if I may quote
one of her own songs,

518
00:23:25,405 --> 00:23:26,657
"What have you done
for us lately?"

519
00:23:26,657 --> 00:23:28,241
JANET: ♪ This rhythm just ♪

520
00:23:28,241 --> 00:23:31,119
MATT: I was chairman and CEO
of Virgin Records, at the time.

521
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:32,788
Had recently met Janet

522
00:23:32,788 --> 00:23:35,624
and started working with her
on the "Damita Jo" album.

523
00:23:35,624 --> 00:23:37,876
We worked for over a year

524
00:23:37,876 --> 00:23:39,753
on getting ready
to release the album,

525
00:23:39,753 --> 00:23:41,505
and we were super excited

526
00:23:41,505 --> 00:23:44,091
that Janet was performing
at the Super Bowl.

527
00:23:44,091 --> 00:23:47,427
‐ The Super Bowl halftime show
is the biggest moment

528
00:23:47,427 --> 00:23:50,430
of the year
for eyeballs on music,

529
00:23:50,430 --> 00:23:54,184
and that album should see
a really big bump

530
00:23:54,184 --> 00:23:56,436
as a result
of that performance.

531
00:23:56,436 --> 00:23:58,855
TOURE:
This is a gigantic deal.

532
00:23:58,855 --> 00:24:03,568
For her to be able to say,
"I'm still Super Bowl level"

533
00:24:03,568 --> 00:24:05,362
is a huge stamp of approval.

534
00:24:07,823 --> 00:24:09,366
JIM: When it came to 2004,

535
00:24:09,366 --> 00:24:13,203
I mean we felt very confident
in dealing with MTV.

536
00:24:13,203 --> 00:24:15,998
Now, when we got to the point
of trying to select

537
00:24:15,998 --> 00:24:18,500
where the talent was and what
was gonna take place,

538
00:24:18,500 --> 00:24:20,460
they had changed a little bit

539
00:24:20,460 --> 00:24:22,295
from where they were
three years prior.

540
00:24:22,295 --> 00:24:23,797
Music had changed dramatically,

541
00:24:23,797 --> 00:24:25,298
over that course
of three years, also.

542
00:24:25,298 --> 00:24:26,800
‐ All right, so be sure
to catch

543
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,469
the AOL Top Speed Super Bowl
halftime show produced by MTV.

544
00:24:29,469 --> 00:24:31,179
You got Janet Jackson,
Kid Rock, P. Diddy,

545
00:24:31,179 --> 00:24:33,515
and Nelly is gonna be there,

546
00:24:33,515 --> 00:24:35,183
so make sure
you tune in for that.

547
00:24:35,183 --> 00:24:37,978
‐ I think, of all the issues
we had potentially,

548
00:24:37,978 --> 00:24:40,105
concerning the talent
for the halftime show,

549
00:24:40,105 --> 00:24:43,316
Janet Jackson was probably
the least concern that we had.

550
00:24:43,316 --> 00:24:45,027
‐ They're a fun group of guys,

551
00:24:45,027 --> 00:24:47,195
and it's nice to be
the only girl.

552
00:24:47,195 --> 00:24:48,697
JIM: There was concern
with P. Diddy.

553
00:24:48,697 --> 00:24:49,865
There was concern with Nelly.

554
00:24:49,865 --> 00:24:51,450
There was concern
with Kid Rock.

555
00:24:51,450 --> 00:24:54,286
With some elements in the NFL
thought that maybe that

556
00:24:54,286 --> 00:24:57,497
was going a little bit too far
from where we wanted to be.

557
00:24:57,497 --> 00:25:00,292
PAUL: I realized that they were
misogynistic lyrics

558
00:25:00,292 --> 00:25:01,960
that were offensive to people.

559
00:25:02,669 --> 00:25:07,507
Misogyny in the lyrics in rap
music is a complicated subject.

560
00:25:09,468 --> 00:25:11,053
JIM: I think,
for the NFL, the one thing

561
00:25:11,053 --> 00:25:13,180
that you always hear
is protecting the shield,

562
00:25:13,180 --> 00:25:15,390
and that's the "protect
the image of the game."

563
00:25:15,390 --> 00:25:17,434
Protect the image
of the league.

564
00:25:17,434 --> 00:25:19,561
It's a very important element
of the NFL

565
00:25:19,561 --> 00:25:22,981
is how associated it is
with Americana.

566
00:25:24,816 --> 00:25:30,322
When the talent was announced,
the owner of the Texans

567
00:25:30,322 --> 00:25:33,658
sent a letter to Tagliabue
critical of the talent

568
00:25:33,658 --> 00:25:36,286
and not thinking
it was the right thing,

569
00:25:36,286 --> 00:25:38,914
but was really upset
with what was going on.

570
00:25:38,914 --> 00:25:41,750
This is Houston, and it's
the owner of the Texans,

571
00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:43,752
and it's a Super Bowl
in his town.

572
00:25:49,174 --> 00:25:51,218
PERSON: Roger Goodell spoke to
me in the morning and said,

573
00:25:51,218 --> 00:25:53,470
"Before you leave
this afternoon for Europe,

574
00:25:53,470 --> 00:25:55,639
"you should try to talk to
Les Moonves.

575
00:25:55,639 --> 00:25:58,391
"He's the chief executive
at CBS.

576
00:25:58,391 --> 00:25:59,976
He should be aware of this."

577
00:25:59,976 --> 00:26:03,647
‐ In 2004, Les Moonves
was synonymous with CBS.

578
00:26:03,647 --> 00:26:07,609
Responsible for some of the
most profitable hits on TV,

579
00:26:07,609 --> 00:26:09,361
he was one of the most
powerful executives

580
00:26:09,361 --> 00:26:11,321
in broadcasting, period.

581
00:26:11,321 --> 00:26:12,906
PERSON: So I spoke to Les
in the car,

582
00:26:12,906 --> 00:26:14,908
as I was driving
to Kennedy Airport,

583
00:26:14,908 --> 00:26:17,911
and he told me that
he was aware of the issues

584
00:26:17,911 --> 00:26:20,580
and that I didn't have
to worry about it.

585
00:26:20,580 --> 00:26:23,834
He would make certain that
the halftime show presentation

586
00:26:23,834 --> 00:26:28,088
would be first class and
that there'd be no problems.

587
00:26:28,088 --> 00:26:30,966
RACHEL: In the NFL's mind,
that meant it had to be clean.

588
00:26:30,966 --> 00:26:32,425
It had to be family friendly,

589
00:26:32,425 --> 00:26:35,929
and it had to upset
and offend exactly zero people.

590
00:26:38,140 --> 00:26:39,933
JIM: It was probably late
in December,

591
00:26:39,933 --> 00:26:42,310
and I remember getting a call
from Salli saying,

592
00:26:42,310 --> 00:26:44,604
"You know, we think that maybe
there's a good idea to add

593
00:26:44,604 --> 00:26:46,064
"somebody that might,

594
00:26:46,064 --> 00:26:49,484
"you know, help temper
the tone a little bit,

595
00:26:49,484 --> 00:26:51,653
and we think about adding
Justin Timberlake."

596
00:26:51,653 --> 00:26:54,489
And I said almost immediately,
"Absolutely."

597
00:26:54,489 --> 00:26:56,616
REPORTER: What do you have
planned specifically?

598
00:26:56,616 --> 00:26:59,494
Can you get into that?
Any surprises?

599
00:26:59,494 --> 00:27:02,414
‐ There's a special guest.
Can't tell you who.

600
00:27:02,414 --> 00:27:03,790
‐ Really?
‐ Yeah.

601
00:27:03,790 --> 00:27:04,833
There's a special guest.

602
00:27:04,833 --> 00:27:06,668
‐ Can you give us a clue
or anything?

603
00:27:06,668 --> 00:27:08,086
‐ Uh‐uh.

604
00:27:08,086 --> 00:27:09,462
RACHEL: Then MTV,
right before the Super Bowl,

605
00:27:09,462 --> 00:27:10,881
issued a press release

606
00:27:10,881 --> 00:27:13,091
talking about how
the Super Bowl halftime show

607
00:27:13,091 --> 00:27:16,052
was going to include
shocking moments.

608
00:27:16,052 --> 00:27:19,306
‐ Some surprises I think.
Maybe‐‐you'll have to see.

609
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,684
SALLI:
Justin wasn't announced.

610
00:27:22,684 --> 00:27:25,395
He wasn't at
the press conference.

611
00:27:25,395 --> 00:27:28,523
The big surprise was supposed
to be the reveal of Justin.

612
00:27:28,523 --> 00:27:29,691
That was the surprise.

613
00:27:32,319 --> 00:27:34,571
ANNOUNCER: Janet Jackson has
been busy working backstage,

614
00:27:34,571 --> 00:27:36,531
as everything falls into place
for what could be

615
00:27:36,531 --> 00:27:39,242
one of the biggest
halftime shows ever produced.

616
00:27:39,242 --> 00:27:41,244
BETH: Thursday night
was the only night

617
00:27:41,244 --> 00:27:42,495
that we get the field.

618
00:27:42,495 --> 00:27:44,831
We actually did
a full dress rehearsal

619
00:27:44,831 --> 00:27:46,207
of the halftime show
a few times.

620
00:27:46,207 --> 00:27:47,542
‐ And that rehearsal
is something

621
00:27:47,542 --> 00:27:49,669
that I always sat through.

622
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:50,837
There were
a lot of great concerns

623
00:27:50,837 --> 00:27:52,005
from sitting there
watching it.

624
00:27:52,005 --> 00:27:54,007
I think we wrote
a two‐and‐a‐half page memo

625
00:27:54,007 --> 00:27:56,343
about things that we thought
needed to be changed

626
00:27:56,343 --> 00:27:57,510
in the show.

627
00:27:57,510 --> 00:28:00,096
‐ And we had to go back
and take a look at some

628
00:28:00,096 --> 00:28:03,058
of P. Diddy's lyrics, we had to
look at Nelly's lyrics.

629
00:28:03,058 --> 00:28:05,352
KID ROCK: We went through a lot
of trouble for this outfit.

630
00:28:05,352 --> 00:28:07,312
SALLI: Kid Rock wanted
to wear a flag.

631
00:28:07,312 --> 00:28:08,939
NFL was really worried
about the flag.

632
00:28:08,939 --> 00:28:11,650
Nobody wanted to be
disrespectful to that.

633
00:28:11,650 --> 00:28:13,318
Became, like, a big thing.

634
00:28:13,318 --> 00:28:14,903
JIM: And the feedback I got
from Salli and everybody was

635
00:28:14,903 --> 00:28:16,446
that they acknowledged
they got it,

636
00:28:16,446 --> 00:28:18,657
and they would work towards
accomplishing, you know,

637
00:28:18,657 --> 00:28:20,241
the things
that we had pointed out.

638
00:28:20,241 --> 00:28:21,409
[laughter]

639
00:28:21,409 --> 00:28:24,120
‐ Shut that off.
We can hang out now.

640
00:28:24,120 --> 00:28:26,790
SALLI: We had very little
rehearsal time

641
00:28:26,790 --> 00:28:29,876
with all the artists
individually,

642
00:28:29,876 --> 00:28:33,546
but especially Justin, because
he was flying in from Europe.

643
00:28:33,546 --> 00:28:37,550
BETH: So the game plan for the
ending of the halftime show

644
00:28:37,550 --> 00:28:40,595
was they were doing
a Janet Jackson song

645
00:28:40,595 --> 00:28:43,765
and then went
into Justin's song.

646
00:28:43,765 --> 00:28:47,560
At the end of the song,
he sings,

647
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,563
"I'm gonna have you naked
by the end of this song."

648
00:28:50,563 --> 00:28:56,361
And on the word "song" they had
Janet wearing a tearaway skirt,

649
00:28:56,361 --> 00:28:59,531
and he was just gonna take
the skirt off, on "song."

650
00:28:59,531 --> 00:29:02,409
She had a full jumpsuit
underneath.

651
00:29:02,409 --> 00:29:04,285
SALLI: After that rehearsal,
we all agreed,

652
00:29:04,285 --> 00:29:07,330
from a staging perspective,
it just didn't work.

653
00:29:07,330 --> 00:29:10,583
The NFL gave me notes.
CBS gave me notes,

654
00:29:10,583 --> 00:29:13,878
and we all ultimately agreed
we would not do that,

655
00:29:13,878 --> 00:29:15,547
and she was agreeable to it.

656
00:29:17,215 --> 00:29:19,426
I looked at
every piece of wardrobe,

657
00:29:19,426 --> 00:29:21,302
along with someone

658
00:29:21,302 --> 00:29:23,972
from my standards
and practices department,

659
00:29:23,972 --> 00:29:26,850
so that we were sort of
legally looking at everything.

660
00:29:26,850 --> 00:29:30,770
I felt like we had delivered
the messages clear.

661
00:29:30,770 --> 00:29:32,772
‐ Goes into the archives
and puts on‐‐

662
00:29:32,772 --> 00:29:34,649
ALAN:
Wayne Skot Lukas is a stylist

663
00:29:34,649 --> 00:29:36,609
who was part of Janet's team,

664
00:29:36,609 --> 00:29:39,612
and what's been reported
is that,

665
00:29:39,612 --> 00:29:41,781
after the rehearsal
for the halftime show,

666
00:29:41,781 --> 00:29:44,993
the next day he went out
shopping, on his own.

667
00:29:44,993 --> 00:29:48,163
REPORTER: Sterling silver
sunburst nipple shield

668
00:29:48,163 --> 00:29:50,248
purchased
by Jackson's stylist.

669
00:29:50,248 --> 00:29:51,666
ALAN: And reporting shows

670
00:29:51,666 --> 00:29:54,044
that he spent a lot of time
at a local tailor,

671
00:29:54,044 --> 00:29:57,255
and we don't know what it was
that was being worked on there,

672
00:29:57,255 --> 00:30:00,341
but clearly some of the
wardrobe was being adjusted.

673
00:30:02,135 --> 00:30:06,598
SALLI: We had no knowledge, at
all, of what might have been

674
00:30:06,598 --> 00:30:08,475
happening between Janet
and her team.

675
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:16,524
ANNOUNCER: Here we go.

676
00:30:19,027 --> 00:30:22,572
BETH: The game is starting,
and we are having

677
00:30:22,572 --> 00:30:24,574
our talent people coming in
and giving us updates,

678
00:30:24,574 --> 00:30:28,495
because Justin Timberlake
had flown out to Los Angeles

679
00:30:28,495 --> 00:30:32,415
and flew back in,
on Sunday, back to Texas.

680
00:30:32,415 --> 00:30:34,876
ANNOUNCER: Coming up, the AOL
Top Speed Super Bowl XXXVIII

681
00:30:34,876 --> 00:30:37,378
halftime show
with Janet Jackson.

682
00:30:37,378 --> 00:30:39,130
BETH: I believe he landed
about 20 minutes

683
00:30:39,130 --> 00:30:41,508
before the halftime
show started.

684
00:30:41,508 --> 00:30:45,136
We were literally having
a police escort

685
00:30:45,136 --> 00:30:47,013
waiting for him
at the airport,

686
00:30:47,013 --> 00:30:49,557
so he can arrive in time
for the halftime show.

687
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:54,854
‐ I remember speaking with him.

688
00:30:54,854 --> 00:30:57,398
"Are you all set?
Do you have any questions?"

689
00:30:58,650 --> 00:31:00,485
There was a request
for him to go in,

690
00:31:00,485 --> 00:31:03,905
to speak to Janet,
her stylist.

691
00:31:03,905 --> 00:31:07,367
We, as the producers, didn't‐‐
we weren't in the room.

692
00:31:07,367 --> 00:31:09,244
Nobody was in the room.

693
00:31:09,244 --> 00:31:14,499
There was a small conversation
that lasted minutes

694
00:31:14,499 --> 00:31:16,876
in her dressing room.
Justin came out.

695
00:31:16,876 --> 00:31:21,339
Everyone went off to get
in their ready/start positions.

696
00:31:24,592 --> 00:31:26,010
ANNOUNCER:
We have come to the end

697
00:31:26,010 --> 00:31:28,596
of the first half
of Super Bowl XXXVIII.

698
00:31:28,596 --> 00:31:34,435
‐ Houston!
Choose to party!

699
00:31:34,435 --> 00:31:36,729
‐ I saw Janet right before
she went on,

700
00:31:36,729 --> 00:31:38,106
and she was super excited.

701
00:31:38,106 --> 00:31:39,732
A little nervous,
like any artist would be,

702
00:31:39,732 --> 00:31:42,569
right before a big
performance, but super happy.

703
00:31:42,569 --> 00:31:44,779
‐ ♪ All my girls at the party
look at that body ♪

704
00:31:44,779 --> 00:31:46,656
♪ Shaking that thing
like you never did see ♪

705
00:31:46,656 --> 00:31:49,742
♪ Got a nice package,
all right‐‐edit ♪

706
00:31:49,742 --> 00:31:53,121
♪ It's all for you
if you really want it ♪

707
00:31:54,998 --> 00:31:56,791
JIM: At the beginning
of the halftime show,

708
00:31:56,791 --> 00:31:58,459
I was up in the command post

709
00:31:58,459 --> 00:32:00,420
with all the other
NFL entities.

710
00:32:00,420 --> 00:32:04,340
‐ [rapping]

711
00:32:04,340 --> 00:32:05,884
JIM: I'm watching the show,
and there are some things

712
00:32:05,884 --> 00:32:09,262
that we had pointed out that
obviously didn't get adjusted.

713
00:32:09,262 --> 00:32:11,723
You know, it's fait accompli,
at that point in time.

714
00:32:11,723 --> 00:32:12,765
It's happened.

715
00:32:12,765 --> 00:32:14,350
‐ ♪ Take my clothes off ♪

716
00:32:14,350 --> 00:32:16,102
PAUL: My daughter basically
said, "Dad, there were

717
00:32:16,102 --> 00:32:18,021
parts of the halftime show
which were terrible."

718
00:32:18,021 --> 00:32:20,315
Kid Rock had disrespected
the flag.

719
00:32:21,691 --> 00:32:23,401
It was gonna be difficult
for her to explain

720
00:32:23,401 --> 00:32:25,528
to her fellow high school
teachers

721
00:32:25,528 --> 00:32:27,155
how I and the NFL

722
00:32:27,155 --> 00:32:29,824
can allow a halftime show
like that to get on the air.

723
00:32:29,824 --> 00:32:31,784
ALL: ♪ Cowboy! ♪

724
00:32:35,496 --> 00:32:39,250
ELECTRIC VOICE:
Five, four, three, two, one.

725
00:32:39,250 --> 00:32:41,336
CHORUS: ♪ Ho! Ho! Ho! ♪

726
00:32:41,336 --> 00:32:42,962
SALLI: Janet is revealed.

727
00:32:42,962 --> 00:32:45,882
We had screens.
We have projection.

728
00:32:45,882 --> 00:32:49,135
CHORUS: ♪ We are a part
of the rhythm nation ♪

729
00:32:49,135 --> 00:32:51,888
JANET: ♪ Rhythm ♪
BETH: She is great.

730
00:32:51,888 --> 00:32:54,432
The choreography's fantastic.
The costumes are great.

731
00:32:54,432 --> 00:32:56,517
[cheers and applause]

732
00:32:56,517 --> 00:33:00,980
♪ ♪

733
00:33:00,980 --> 00:33:02,607
SALLI: Justin came out.

734
00:33:02,607 --> 00:33:05,109
The song begins.
They're rocking it.

735
00:33:05,109 --> 00:33:08,112
They're doing
the choreography as planned,

736
00:33:08,112 --> 00:33:09,530
and everything was scripted.

737
00:33:09,530 --> 00:33:11,658
‐ ♪ Now, Janet,
won't you see ♪

738
00:33:11,658 --> 00:33:13,368
‐ ♪ Talk to me, boy ♪

739
00:33:13,368 --> 00:33:15,995
‐ ♪ No disrespect,
I don't mean no harm ♪

740
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:19,999
‐ And then, of course,
we come to the close,

741
00:33:19,999 --> 00:33:23,962
and it's the final few seconds
of the song,

742
00:33:23,962 --> 00:33:28,883
and, you know, that's just
when everything went wrong.

743
00:33:30,677 --> 00:33:31,886
‐ [gasps]

744
00:33:31,886 --> 00:33:32,720
‐ Did you see
what just happened?

745
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,055
‐ I barely noticed.

746
00:33:34,055 --> 00:33:38,810
‐ We saw Janet's nipple
for 9/16ths of a second.

747
00:33:38,810 --> 00:33:41,187
‐ ♪ Gonna have you naked
by the end of this song ♪

748
00:33:42,689 --> 00:33:45,441
SALLI: The song ended.
We went wide.

749
00:33:45,441 --> 00:33:47,735
The pyro hit,
and we start applauding.

750
00:33:47,735 --> 00:33:51,864
We're just like, "Oh, my gosh."
You know, we did it.

751
00:33:52,865 --> 00:33:55,910
And then the phone rings,

752
00:33:55,910 --> 00:33:57,578
and I'm thinking
I'm answering that phone

753
00:33:57,578 --> 00:33:58,913
because I'm gonna get like,

754
00:33:58,913 --> 00:34:02,083
"That was amazing,
and congratulations."

755
00:34:02,083 --> 00:34:05,003
Instead, I get...

756
00:34:05,003 --> 00:34:07,171
‐ Did you see
what just happened?

757
00:34:07,171 --> 00:34:09,382
‐ I sort of put the phone
like this, and I was like,

758
00:34:09,382 --> 00:34:10,717
"Did you guys just see
what happened?"

759
00:34:10,717 --> 00:34:13,052
‐ I asked my stage manager
on the floor.

760
00:34:13,052 --> 00:34:16,472
I said, "What's going on?"
She said, "I don't know,

761
00:34:16,472 --> 00:34:20,393
but I had a blanket for Janet
to wrap her in," and she said,

762
00:34:20,393 --> 00:34:22,729
"I put the blanket on her,
and she was crying."

763
00:34:22,729 --> 00:34:25,565
[tense music]

764
00:34:25,565 --> 00:34:27,275
♪ ♪

765
00:34:27,275 --> 00:34:29,235
SALLI: And he said,
"Did you know what‐‐

766
00:34:29,235 --> 00:34:30,737
Did you know that
was gonna happen, Salli?"

767
00:34:30,737 --> 00:34:33,823
And I said,
"No, Jim, I didn't."

768
00:34:33,823 --> 00:34:35,825
And he goes, "I believe you."

769
00:34:35,825 --> 00:34:38,161
I hung up the phone.
We took a moment.

770
00:34:38,161 --> 00:34:40,496
Our tape operator rewound it.

771
00:34:40,496 --> 00:34:42,832
We looked
at the close‐up shot.

772
00:34:42,832 --> 00:34:45,126
We looked at the wide shot,

773
00:34:45,126 --> 00:34:47,003
and we all stood
there in shock.

774
00:34:47,003 --> 00:34:50,256
♪ ♪

775
00:34:50,256 --> 00:34:52,383
Of course, one of the first
things we tried to do

776
00:34:52,383 --> 00:34:54,469
was go talk to Janet.

777
00:34:54,469 --> 00:34:56,137
Janet fled.

778
00:34:56,137 --> 00:34:57,430
We couldn't get her
on the phone.

779
00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:58,723
We couldn't get the manager
on the phone.

780
00:35:03,561 --> 00:35:06,147
JENNA: Was it an accident?
Was it planned?

781
00:35:06,147 --> 00:35:08,691
Was it a stunt?
Was it publicity?

782
00:35:08,691 --> 00:35:11,778
Like, we never got
a clear answer from Justin.

783
00:35:11,778 --> 00:35:13,321
‐ That was fun.

784
00:35:13,321 --> 00:35:16,783
It was quick, slick,
to the point.

785
00:35:16,783 --> 00:35:19,160
And, no, I enjoyed it.
It was a lot of fun.

786
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:20,953
‐ You guys were getting
pretty hot and steamy up there.

787
00:35:20,953 --> 00:35:24,457
‐ Hey, man, we love giving
y'all something to talk about.

788
00:35:24,457 --> 00:35:26,834
MATT: From my vantage point,
she did look upset.

789
00:35:26,834 --> 00:35:28,544
She looked distraught.

790
00:35:28,544 --> 00:35:30,046
‐ You got nasty
with Ms. Jackson.

791
00:35:30,046 --> 00:35:31,381
That was pretty cool.

792
00:35:31,381 --> 00:35:34,092
‐ Hey, man.
It's every man's dream.

793
00:35:35,301 --> 00:35:38,137
‐ There's something about
the way Janet's head snaps down

794
00:35:38,137 --> 00:35:39,972
at the very end
when she realized

795
00:35:39,972 --> 00:35:43,267
how exposed she is
that doesn't feel scripted.

796
00:35:43,267 --> 00:35:45,645
It didn't feel like that's
what she wanted to happen.

797
00:35:45,645 --> 00:35:47,939
It didn't feel right.

798
00:35:47,939 --> 00:35:51,526
‐ If she had been there,
in retrospect, to sort of

799
00:35:51,526 --> 00:35:54,404
take the heat
and talk about it,

800
00:35:54,404 --> 00:35:56,948
hey, maybe it was a mistake.

801
00:35:56,948 --> 00:35:58,074
She should have just said

802
00:35:58,074 --> 00:35:59,659
"No one knew,
and it was a mistake."

803
00:35:59,659 --> 00:36:02,161
Like, she never said
anything to us.

804
00:36:04,664 --> 00:36:07,667
Here we are trying
to ask the person

805
00:36:07,667 --> 00:36:09,502
that this just happened to,

806
00:36:09,502 --> 00:36:13,047
'cause it happened to her,
and she was gone.

807
00:36:13,047 --> 00:36:17,009
PERSON: She was on a plane
back to, I think, L. A.

808
00:36:17,009 --> 00:36:18,928
SALLI:
Then we sought out Justin.

809
00:36:18,928 --> 00:36:21,514
We pulled him aside,
one to one.

810
00:36:21,514 --> 00:36:23,474
"Justin, what just happened?"

811
00:36:23,474 --> 00:36:27,270
He's like, "That was never
meant to happen.

812
00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:29,689
I was told you guys knew."
We didn't.

813
00:36:29,689 --> 00:36:33,025
He was very apologetic.
He manned up.

814
00:36:34,235 --> 00:36:36,821
PAUL: I think Les Moonves
reached out to me,

815
00:36:36,821 --> 00:36:38,239
assuming that I was not happy

816
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,199
with what happened
in the halftime show,

817
00:36:40,199 --> 00:36:43,119
to explain that
he was not happy either,

818
00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:46,080
and that CBS would get to
the bottom of how it happened.

819
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:47,915
Who was involved.
Who knew about it.

820
00:36:48,833 --> 00:36:50,918
SALLI:
I was a wreck personally,

821
00:36:50,918 --> 00:36:52,754
and I pretty much lost it.

822
00:36:52,754 --> 00:36:55,840
I was in tears.
I was‐‐people are crying.

823
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,760
Like, it was‐‐yeah.
It was really upsetting.

824
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,721
It's very emotional.

825
00:37:01,721 --> 00:37:03,181
I felt betrayed.

826
00:37:03,181 --> 00:37:07,185
[indistinct chatter]
My instincts told me

827
00:37:07,185 --> 00:37:09,729
that there was
a private conversation

828
00:37:09,729 --> 00:37:13,232
between wardrobe
stylist and artist

829
00:37:13,232 --> 00:37:15,276
where someone thought
this would be a good idea.

830
00:37:16,778 --> 00:37:19,113
And it backfired.

831
00:37:25,745 --> 00:37:27,288
REPORTER:
Janet, take responsibility

832
00:37:27,288 --> 00:37:30,374
for your actions.
Just say, "I'm a trollop.

833
00:37:30,374 --> 00:37:32,126
"I need attention.
Buy my new album."

834
00:37:32,126 --> 00:37:33,795
That's all you have to say.

835
00:37:33,795 --> 00:37:35,546
SPOKESPERSON: Offensive.

836
00:37:35,546 --> 00:37:37,673
Embarrassing to us
and our fans.

837
00:37:37,673 --> 00:37:39,425
REPORTER:
The Federal Communications
Commission is investigating.

838
00:37:39,425 --> 00:37:41,260
REPORTER: The National
Football League is livid.

839
00:37:41,260 --> 00:37:43,012
‐ I'm inclined to believe
they planned it.

840
00:37:43,012 --> 00:37:44,388
VOICE:
She's implying that Justin was

841
00:37:44,388 --> 00:37:46,599
in cahoots
with her against MTV.

842
00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:47,934
VOICE: This was wildly
inappropriate.

843
00:37:47,934 --> 00:37:49,393
‐ We have to say
enough's enough.

844
00:37:49,393 --> 00:37:52,480
REPORTER: To have sexualized
the Super Bowl,

845
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:56,484
in the manner that they did it,
is just unforgivable.

846
00:37:56,484 --> 00:37:58,778
REPORTER: The incident
could result

847
00:37:58,778 --> 00:38:00,988
in a hefty fine for CBS.

848
00:38:00,988 --> 00:38:03,866
REPORTER: Fines could reach
the millions.

849
00:38:03,866 --> 00:38:05,952
PAUL: When 140 million people
are watching something,

850
00:38:05,952 --> 00:38:07,411
there is no one reaction.

851
00:38:07,411 --> 00:38:10,998
There are dozens of reactions,
across the spectrum.

852
00:38:10,998 --> 00:38:12,333
The truth is in the eye
of the beholder,

853
00:38:12,333 --> 00:38:14,418
in terms of what they think
is entertaining

854
00:38:14,418 --> 00:38:16,921
and what they think is
inappropriate entertainment.

855
00:38:16,921 --> 00:38:19,549
‐ A patheticism
on the part of Janet Jackson,

856
00:38:19,549 --> 00:38:21,801
who probably has seen
the best days of her career.

857
00:38:21,801 --> 00:38:23,427
‐ This is a woman
who's 37 years old

858
00:38:23,427 --> 00:38:25,638
which is‐‐this is
almost geriatric

859
00:38:25,638 --> 00:38:27,139
in the age of pop music.

860
00:38:27,139 --> 00:38:29,392
MATT: When you're in
the middle of a hurricane...

861
00:38:29,392 --> 00:38:30,768
‐ We have the
never‐before‐seen video...

862
00:38:30,768 --> 00:38:31,978
MATT: You don't really know
how you feel...

863
00:38:31,978 --> 00:38:33,312
‐ If I were the president
of Virgin Records‐‐

864
00:38:33,312 --> 00:38:36,774
‐ But we started feeling
indescribably bad for Janet

865
00:38:36,774 --> 00:38:38,901
and the reaction
that was starting

866
00:38:38,901 --> 00:38:40,736
to coalesce against her.

867
00:38:41,696 --> 00:38:43,781
RACHEL: Justin Timberlake
got his statement out

868
00:38:43,781 --> 00:38:46,492
before Janet Jackson did

869
00:38:46,492 --> 00:38:49,328
and immediately the term
"wardrobe malfunction..."

870
00:38:49,328 --> 00:38:52,540
ALL: Wardrobe malfunction.

871
00:38:52,540 --> 00:38:53,875
‐ Turned into something
that has been burned

872
00:38:53,875 --> 00:38:55,167
into our cultural
consciousness.

873
00:38:55,167 --> 00:38:57,712
ALL: Wardrobe malfunction.

874
00:38:57,712 --> 00:38:59,213
‐ Janet was nowhere
to be found.

875
00:38:59,213 --> 00:39:01,966
It was the feeling
that she was unresponsive.

876
00:39:01,966 --> 00:39:04,385
Now, maybe she doesn't think
she was unresponsive,

877
00:39:04,385 --> 00:39:07,221
but, certainly, the impression
that she was not around

878
00:39:07,221 --> 00:39:09,932
did not do her any favors
with a lot of people

879
00:39:09,932 --> 00:39:11,976
who were quite angry
at these companies.

880
00:39:14,353 --> 00:39:16,856
ALAN: On Monday,
Janet issued the first

881
00:39:16,856 --> 00:39:18,691
of several of her apologies.

882
00:39:27,158 --> 00:39:29,744
‐ She absolves all
the corporate entities.

883
00:39:29,744 --> 00:39:30,828
REPORTER:
What were we supposed to see?

884
00:39:30,828 --> 00:39:32,079
The red lace bra?

885
00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:33,706
‐ Well, originally‐‐
‐ Part Of the breast?

886
00:39:33,706 --> 00:39:35,249
‐ Originally, people
in her camp were saying today

887
00:39:35,249 --> 00:39:36,959
that they were only
supposed to see‐‐

888
00:39:36,959 --> 00:39:38,878
viewers were only supposed
to see her red lace bra.

889
00:39:38,878 --> 00:39:40,379
JUSTIN:
Got a call prior to the show.

890
00:39:40,379 --> 00:39:43,549
They're saying that they wanted
to do a costume reveal.

891
00:39:43,549 --> 00:39:46,093
Now, I was under the impression

892
00:39:46,093 --> 00:39:48,554
that what was going
to be revealed

893
00:39:48,554 --> 00:39:51,599
in the costume reveal was

894
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:56,103
a red brassiere, a bustier?
Forgive me.

895
00:39:56,103 --> 00:39:59,315
And, uh, you know.

896
00:39:59,315 --> 00:40:01,651
Got in, didn't really have time
to rehearse it.

897
00:40:01,651 --> 00:40:05,988
Got to the field, went onstage,
was in the moment,

898
00:40:05,988 --> 00:40:10,451
and when what happened
happened, all I could say was,

899
00:40:10,451 --> 00:40:11,953
"Oh, my God. Oh, my God."

900
00:40:11,953 --> 00:40:13,955
REPORTER: Justin Timberlake
has distanced himself

901
00:40:13,955 --> 00:40:15,414
from Janet Jackson.

902
00:40:15,414 --> 00:40:16,582
‐ He was seen on
"Access Hollywood" saying,

903
00:40:16,582 --> 00:40:17,792
"Well, this is pretty cool,"

904
00:40:17,792 --> 00:40:19,085
getting people tell him
to talk about it.

905
00:40:19,085 --> 00:40:20,503
And later, he's all like...

906
00:40:20,503 --> 00:40:21,837
‐ Clearly two different‐‐
‐ "I'm so, so sorry."

907
00:40:21,837 --> 00:40:23,214
‐ Clearly two
different stories.

908
00:40:23,214 --> 00:40:25,925
‐ I don't feel like I need
publicity like this,

909
00:40:25,925 --> 00:40:27,426
and I wouldn't want
to be involved

910
00:40:27,426 --> 00:40:30,680
with a stunt‐‐especially
something of this magnitude.

911
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,100
JENNA: What's so painful
about that moment is

912
00:40:34,100 --> 00:40:39,563
everything Janet had been
working for and towards,

913
00:40:39,563 --> 00:40:43,067
building up to in her career,
was just taken away,

914
00:40:43,067 --> 00:40:46,988
in that moment,
by this white man.

915
00:40:46,988 --> 00:40:48,614
TITO:
There was two people onstage.

916
00:40:48,614 --> 00:40:49,949
He did the pulling.

917
00:40:49,949 --> 00:40:52,076
Janet's breast
didn't just jump out.

918
00:40:52,076 --> 00:40:55,162
RACHEL: It was widely felt
from people at Viacom, CBS,

919
00:40:55,162 --> 00:40:58,457
MTV, that Janet Jackson's
apology was insufficient,

920
00:40:58,457 --> 00:41:01,627
and Justin Timberlake
was a lot more forthcoming.

921
00:41:01,627 --> 00:41:03,170
And more than anything else,

922
00:41:03,170 --> 00:41:05,464
Moonves felt that he had been
publicly embarrassed.

923
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,094
ALAN: At a certain point,
on the advice of management,

924
00:41:10,094 --> 00:41:13,222
she did a second apology.
This time, a video apology.

925
00:41:13,222 --> 00:41:15,141
‐ Janet Jackson released
a video statement

926
00:41:15,141 --> 00:41:19,311
during the night apologizing
for her Super Bowl flash.

927
00:41:19,311 --> 00:41:22,481
‐ My decision to change
the Super Bowl performance

928
00:41:22,481 --> 00:41:25,860
was actually made
after the final rehearsal.

929
00:41:25,860 --> 00:41:32,199
MTV, CBS, the NFL had no
knowledge of this whatsoever,

930
00:41:32,199 --> 00:41:35,286
and unfortunately,
the whole thing went wrong

931
00:41:35,286 --> 00:41:37,038
in the end.

932
00:41:37,038 --> 00:41:41,208
I am really sorry
if I offended anyone.

933
00:41:41,208 --> 00:41:43,169
That was truly
not my intention.

934
00:41:43,169 --> 00:41:45,463
‐ The contrition
that was expected.

935
00:41:45,463 --> 00:41:47,506
The apologies
that were expected.

936
00:41:47,506 --> 00:41:51,177
I just don't know if there was
any amount of apologizing

937
00:41:51,177 --> 00:41:55,681
that she could have done
to mollify the outrage that‐‐

938
00:41:55,681 --> 00:41:58,642
not that she caused,
but that the incident

939
00:41:58,642 --> 00:42:02,521
and the way it became
its own escalating tornado.

940
00:42:02,521 --> 00:42:04,440
PERSON: I was shocked.
PERSON: I was shocked.

941
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:05,274
PERSON: I was shocked.

942
00:42:05,274 --> 00:42:06,567
‐ They have to now monitor

943
00:42:06,567 --> 00:42:08,736
what they do on a Sunday
evening family show?

944
00:42:08,736 --> 00:42:11,697
‐ We are boycotting MTV

945
00:42:11,697 --> 00:42:13,157
because they shouldn't
let those things happen.

946
00:42:13,157 --> 00:42:15,242
‐ Moonves wanted an apology
from Janet Jackson.

947
00:42:15,242 --> 00:42:16,660
He wanted it in person,

948
00:42:16,660 --> 00:42:19,413
and this is a guy who is known
by people who worked for him

949
00:42:19,413 --> 00:42:20,915
as someone
who would hold grudges.

950
00:42:20,915 --> 00:42:22,583
Somebody who quoted
"The Godfather."

951
00:42:22,583 --> 00:42:24,376
Somebody that you
did not cross,

952
00:42:24,376 --> 00:42:27,630
because he had the power
to make or break your career.

953
00:42:27,630 --> 00:42:28,672
And he did not get it.

954
00:42:28,672 --> 00:42:31,050
Janet Jackson
never gave that apology.

955
00:42:31,050 --> 00:42:33,636
An executive at CBS'
communications department

956
00:42:33,636 --> 00:42:35,221
told me Justin Timberlake

957
00:42:35,221 --> 00:42:38,474
showed up to the Los Angeles
offices of CBS

958
00:42:38,474 --> 00:42:40,601
and gave
that in‐person apology

959
00:42:40,601 --> 00:42:42,061
and basically kissed the ring.

960
00:42:42,061 --> 00:42:44,396
Justin was even pretty
teary‐eyed about it,

961
00:42:44,396 --> 00:42:47,775
but neither apology managed
to stem the uproar

962
00:42:47,775 --> 00:42:49,485
that was coming
from the public.

963
00:42:49,485 --> 00:42:50,736
PERSON: They knew it.

964
00:42:50,736 --> 00:42:52,613
Some people knew
it more than others.

965
00:42:52,613 --> 00:42:54,281
‐ I don't know,
I always thought this was

966
00:42:54,281 --> 00:42:55,783
the same artist who
called herself "nasty girl."

967
00:42:55,783 --> 00:42:58,452
PERSON: The entire program
was not tasteful.

968
00:42:58,452 --> 00:43:01,288
Was a violation of indecency
standards frankly.

969
00:43:01,288 --> 00:43:04,083
PERSON: This has really
stirred up a discussion

970
00:43:04,083 --> 00:43:05,668
that's been sort of
under the surface,

971
00:43:05,668 --> 00:43:07,920
for a while,
about what's appropriate

972
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:09,463
when it comes to entertainment.

973
00:43:09,463 --> 00:43:10,589
‐ I don't know how much
it would have cost

974
00:43:10,589 --> 00:43:12,550
to buy that public awareness,

975
00:43:12,550 --> 00:43:14,844
but that earned media
was‐‐it was worth a lot.

976
00:43:14,844 --> 00:43:17,930
Our website
was the first of its kind.

977
00:43:17,930 --> 00:43:20,349
That any member of the public
could fill out,

978
00:43:20,349 --> 00:43:23,269
and click submit, and it would
go immediately to the FCC.

979
00:43:23,269 --> 00:43:25,729
Prior to Janet Jackson's
halftime show,

980
00:43:25,729 --> 00:43:28,649
I think we had about
750,000 members.

981
00:43:28,649 --> 00:43:31,152
And a couple days after,
we had a million members.

982
00:43:31,152 --> 00:43:32,653
It was a big deal for us.

983
00:43:32,653 --> 00:43:34,488
REPORTER: Janet Jackson's
Super Bowl appearance

984
00:43:34,488 --> 00:43:36,490
has prompted a flood of
complaints to the government.

985
00:43:36,490 --> 00:43:38,659
‐ A group of people‐‐I believe
it's in Tennessee,

986
00:43:38,659 --> 00:43:41,829
I'm not sure‐‐filed
a class‐action suit

987
00:43:41,829 --> 00:43:44,999
against Janet,
Justin, CBS, MTV‐‐

988
00:43:44,999 --> 00:43:48,460
‐ The Janet Jackson
episode announced to America

989
00:43:48,460 --> 00:43:53,174
what I had been trying
and pushing on feverishly

990
00:43:53,174 --> 00:43:54,466
in the Congress.

991
00:43:54,466 --> 00:43:56,635
And finally, it was like
the whole country goes,

992
00:43:56,635 --> 00:43:59,597
"Oh, that's what
you're talking about."

993
00:43:59,597 --> 00:44:02,474
Yes, that's what
I'm talking about.

994
00:44:02,474 --> 00:44:05,019
ALAN: By Tuesday, the
protests have gotten so loud

995
00:44:05,019 --> 00:44:07,271
that the FCC gets involved
and announces

996
00:44:07,271 --> 00:44:08,981
that they're gonna open
an investigation

997
00:44:08,981 --> 00:44:11,358
into the decency
of the performance.

998
00:44:11,358 --> 00:44:12,860
‐ Not only is it sort of
a crass

999
00:44:12,860 --> 00:44:17,198
and sophomoric demonstration,
it may be an illegal one.

1000
00:44:17,198 --> 00:44:20,034
SALLI: The next thing you
know, they wanted my computer.

1001
00:44:20,034 --> 00:44:21,827
They wanted all my files.

1002
00:44:21,827 --> 00:44:24,205
Every single person that worked
on the halftime show,

1003
00:44:24,205 --> 00:44:26,373
we were all
being investigated.

1004
00:44:26,373 --> 00:44:30,127
‐ Some people I think
lost their jobs over it.

1005
00:44:30,127 --> 00:44:32,796
Others had to be deposed
by lawyers,

1006
00:44:32,796 --> 00:44:34,506
and that was a little scary.

1007
00:44:34,506 --> 00:44:35,925
PERSON: We'll be pretty swift
about this.

1008
00:44:35,925 --> 00:44:38,344
This has a lot of interest
behind it,

1009
00:44:38,344 --> 00:44:40,763
and I don't like to speculate
exactly the time,

1010
00:44:40,763 --> 00:44:42,806
'cause we go where
the facts will tell us.

1011
00:44:44,350 --> 00:44:48,771
ALAN: CBS is furious.
Les Moonves feels betrayed,

1012
00:44:48,771 --> 00:44:51,315
and there starts to be
a question

1013
00:44:51,315 --> 00:44:52,775
of whether Janet Jackson

1014
00:44:52,775 --> 00:44:55,444
is still going to be invited
to the Grammy Awards

1015
00:44:55,444 --> 00:44:57,238
that are happening
that next week.

1016
00:44:58,572 --> 00:45:00,783
‐ I was former vice president
of communications

1017
00:45:00,783 --> 00:45:03,786
and artist relations,
for the Recording Academy.

1018
00:45:03,786 --> 00:45:09,250
Even though Janet and Justin
both gave written apologies,

1019
00:45:09,250 --> 00:45:11,585
it was Les Moonves, from CBS,

1020
00:45:11,585 --> 00:45:15,547
who decided that,
if Janet Jackson and Justin

1021
00:45:15,547 --> 00:45:17,925
were going to be
on the Grammy Awards,

1022
00:45:17,925 --> 00:45:22,221
they would have to publicly
apologize on the show.

1023
00:45:22,221 --> 00:45:24,056
And that's where things
got really sticky.

1024
00:45:24,056 --> 00:45:25,683
ANDERSON: Is this fair
that Justin Timberlake

1025
00:45:25,683 --> 00:45:27,518
gets to perform at the Grammys?
Janet Jackson doesn't.

1026
00:45:27,518 --> 00:45:30,020
‐ Absolutely not.
He's invited to perform.

1027
00:45:30,020 --> 00:45:32,064
She will not even be
in the building.

1028
00:45:32,064 --> 00:45:34,441
She is not invited.

1029
00:45:34,441 --> 00:45:37,444
[cheers and applause]

1030
00:45:37,444 --> 00:45:39,780
RON: The Recording Academy
never said to Janet or Justin,

1031
00:45:39,780 --> 00:45:42,533
"You are uninvited."
We never did that.

1032
00:45:42,533 --> 00:45:45,452
CBS wanted Janet Jackson
and Justin Timberlake

1033
00:45:45,452 --> 00:45:47,788
to make formal apologies
on the show,

1034
00:45:47,788 --> 00:45:50,124
and Justin decided
to be on the show.

1035
00:45:50,124 --> 00:45:53,419
And Janet decided not to be.
Was it because of the apology?

1036
00:45:53,419 --> 00:45:55,587
I don't know. One can assume.

1037
00:45:56,922 --> 00:45:59,300
Both artists, leading up
to the Grammy Awards,

1038
00:45:59,300 --> 00:46:01,218
had our full support.

1039
00:46:01,218 --> 00:46:03,220
All we wanted to do
was help both of them

1040
00:46:03,220 --> 00:46:05,431
really make this
a positive experience,

1041
00:46:05,431 --> 00:46:10,311
but CBS had their caveat that
they wanted to have an apology.

1042
00:46:10,311 --> 00:46:12,438
We're separate entities,
but when you have someone

1043
00:46:12,438 --> 00:46:15,149
who is paying your bills
for the entire year,

1044
00:46:15,149 --> 00:46:16,984
you have to listen to them.

1045
00:46:18,819 --> 00:46:22,823
MATT: It felt like
another request for

1046
00:46:22,823 --> 00:46:25,701
something that was an accident,
something that just felt

1047
00:46:25,701 --> 00:46:30,122
didn't need to be laid
completely on her.

1048
00:46:30,122 --> 00:46:34,626
And so she didn't do it,
and good for her.

1049
00:46:35,961 --> 00:46:39,631
JENNA: There are
these really rigid containers

1050
00:46:39,631 --> 00:46:41,467
that the world expects
Black women to fit into,

1051
00:46:41,467 --> 00:46:45,304
and the moment she did
something out of line,

1052
00:46:45,304 --> 00:46:48,766
like, a decision was made
to just exclude her.

1053
00:46:48,766 --> 00:46:53,145
She really just became
despicable overnight.

1054
00:46:53,145 --> 00:46:55,147
‐ And the Grammy goes to...

1055
00:46:59,860 --> 00:47:04,073
Behave. Justin Timberlake.

1056
00:47:04,073 --> 00:47:08,869
‐ It's, uh‐‐ an honor just
to be in the company‐‐

1057
00:47:08,869 --> 00:47:12,206
RON: This was going to make
his solo career, for sure.

1058
00:47:12,206 --> 00:47:14,375
And so they absolutely had

1059
00:47:14,375 --> 00:47:17,336
way more riding on this
than Janet did.

1060
00:47:17,336 --> 00:47:19,671
‐ This is overwhelming.
I don't know what to say.

1061
00:47:19,671 --> 00:47:22,674
Listen, I know it's been a
rough week on everybody, and...

1062
00:47:22,674 --> 00:47:25,677
[laughter]

1063
00:47:30,516 --> 00:47:33,018
What occurred
was unintentional,

1064
00:47:33,018 --> 00:47:34,686
completely regrettable,

1065
00:47:34,686 --> 00:47:37,981
and I apologize
if you guys were offended.

1066
00:47:37,981 --> 00:47:41,235
This has been a dream of mine.
[cheering]

1067
00:47:41,235 --> 00:47:44,905
Don't. I already got enough.
Don't.

1068
00:47:44,905 --> 00:47:47,366
Thank you.
I don't know what to say.

1069
00:47:47,366 --> 00:47:49,701
This is officially
the greatest moment of my life.

1070
00:47:49,701 --> 00:47:52,079
Thank you.

1071
00:47:58,502 --> 00:47:59,837
PERSON: What was
the malfunction?

1072
00:47:59,837 --> 00:48:01,505
What, were both breasts
supposed to pop out?

1073
00:48:01,505 --> 00:48:03,173
‐ Shocking.
‐ Janet Jackson?

1074
00:48:03,173 --> 00:48:05,676
‐ Clay, I'm gonna have you
naked by the end of this promo.

1075
00:48:05,676 --> 00:48:07,386
ALAN: Janet being a no‐show
at the Grammys

1076
00:48:07,386 --> 00:48:11,181
only adds to all this noise
that's swirling around her

1077
00:48:11,181 --> 00:48:14,017
and only contributes
to this transformation

1078
00:48:14,017 --> 00:48:16,395
from Janet Jackson the
superstar

1079
00:48:16,395 --> 00:48:17,896
to Janet Jackson
the punchline.

1080
00:48:17,896 --> 00:48:19,982
DAVID LETTERMAN:
Welcome to the show.

1081
00:48:19,982 --> 00:48:22,151
Now, that's almost
malfunctioning, isn't it?

1082
00:48:22,985 --> 00:48:24,903
JENNA: I remember that
Dave Letterman interview.

1083
00:48:24,903 --> 00:48:26,947
‐ You smell wonderful.
You always smelled great.

1084
00:48:26,947 --> 00:48:28,449
I really appreciate that
in a guest.

1085
00:48:28,449 --> 00:48:30,617
‐ Thank you.

1086
00:48:30,617 --> 00:48:34,455
‐ Where he just kind of
won't stop needling her.

1087
00:48:34,455 --> 00:48:37,875
‐ So it was just a mistake
is what you're saying?

1088
00:48:37,875 --> 00:48:39,585
Justin Timberlake
wasn't supposed

1089
00:48:39,585 --> 00:48:41,086
to pull your‐‐
rip your blouse off?

1090
00:48:41,086 --> 00:48:42,713
He wasn't supposed to do that?

1091
00:48:42,713 --> 00:48:44,089
He was? He wasn't?

1092
00:48:44,089 --> 00:48:46,842
‐ But you know,
she's clearly trying to

1093
00:48:46,842 --> 00:48:48,093
talk about something else.

1094
00:48:48,093 --> 00:48:49,595
‐ What exactly
transpired there?

1095
00:48:49,595 --> 00:48:51,096
‐ Dave, you're gonna
make me relive this.

1096
00:48:51,096 --> 00:48:53,182
I want to put
all that behind me.

1097
00:48:53,182 --> 00:48:54,516
‐ Well‐
‐ I truly do.

1098
00:48:54,516 --> 00:48:55,934
‐ Well, not me.

1099
00:48:55,934 --> 00:48:57,519
JENNA: The way
that Janet went from

1100
00:48:57,519 --> 00:49:02,816
this‐‐this top‐selling
pop artist to just chum.

1101
00:49:02,816 --> 00:49:04,860
‐ Janet lost her damn mind,

1102
00:49:04,860 --> 00:49:08,280
whipping out her titty
on a Sunday afternoon.

1103
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,949
JENNA:
It's just the clearest example

1104
00:49:10,949 --> 00:49:13,160
of misogynoir in our culture.

1105
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,496
‐ And a 40‐year‐old titty,
at that!

1106
00:49:15,496 --> 00:49:17,623
[laughter]

1107
00:49:17,623 --> 00:49:20,000
You can't just whip out
a 40‐year‐old titty.

1108
00:49:21,043 --> 00:49:25,797
That's your man's titty.
That is your man's titty.

1109
00:49:25,797 --> 00:49:27,966
‐ I mean I think that,
for Janet Jackson,

1110
00:49:27,966 --> 00:49:29,968
the ultimate indignity
might have been that

1111
00:49:29,968 --> 00:49:32,137
the "New York Times"
actually ended up

1112
00:49:32,137 --> 00:49:35,098
critiquing Janet Jackson's
breast and saying that...

1113
00:49:35,098 --> 00:49:36,475
PERSON: The "New York Times."

1114
00:49:36,475 --> 00:49:37,935
PERSON: It looked like

1115
00:49:37,935 --> 00:49:39,311
the average middle‐aged
woman's breast.

1116
00:49:39,311 --> 00:49:42,147
It may not have helped
her image as a sex symbol.

1117
00:49:42,147 --> 00:49:44,191
PERSON: I mean she had this,
like, star on her breast.

1118
00:49:44,191 --> 00:49:45,526
‐ Mm‐hmm.
‐ It was like an ornament.

1119
00:49:45,526 --> 00:49:46,944
It was like
a Christmas ornament.

1120
00:49:46,944 --> 00:49:48,362
‐ Mm‐hmm.
I mean I think that's raising

1121
00:49:48,362 --> 00:49:49,863
a lot of suspicions
among her fans.

1122
00:49:49,863 --> 00:49:54,201
‐ The idea that Janet had
this decoration on her body

1123
00:49:54,201 --> 00:49:57,037
seemed like evidence
that she was guilty.

1124
00:49:57,037 --> 00:49:58,539
‐ This could have very well
been deliberate.

1125
00:49:58,539 --> 00:50:00,874
‐ Why else would she wear
this nipple ring?

1126
00:50:00,874 --> 00:50:03,544
It's the biggest indictment
of our culture,

1127
00:50:03,544 --> 00:50:05,504
the idea that a Black woman

1128
00:50:05,504 --> 00:50:09,007
wouldn't be adorning herself
just for herself.

1129
00:50:09,007 --> 00:50:12,052
That she wouldn't want to be
beautiful underneath

1130
00:50:12,052 --> 00:50:14,680
what she was wearing,
just for her.

1131
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,891
SHANNON: She was described
as coming off

1132
00:50:17,891 --> 00:50:19,351
of an S&M catalog.

1133
00:50:19,351 --> 00:50:23,814
She was described
as being this dominatrix.

1134
00:50:23,814 --> 00:50:26,900
Like she was
"a bitch in heat."

1135
00:50:26,900 --> 00:50:29,444
The fact that she is
a Black woman

1136
00:50:29,444 --> 00:50:32,864
and he is a white man
further complicate that,

1137
00:50:32,864 --> 00:50:34,866
in terms of
the race narrative, as well.

1138
00:50:34,866 --> 00:50:36,994
‐ People get together
around their TVs

1139
00:50:36,994 --> 00:50:38,370
to celebrate football,

1140
00:50:38,370 --> 00:50:40,080
and to get entertained
at halftime,

1141
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,374
and not watching
gangbang rappers grab

1142
00:50:42,374 --> 00:50:43,709
their private areas

1143
00:50:43,709 --> 00:50:45,544
or Janet Jackson
expose her breast.

1144
00:50:45,544 --> 00:50:48,213
‐ This goes back
to Antebellum America.

1145
00:50:53,385 --> 00:50:56,138
The dehumanization
and the commodification

1146
00:50:56,138 --> 00:50:57,472
of Black bodies,

1147
00:50:57,472 --> 00:50:59,891
particularly
Black female bodies.

1148
00:50:59,891 --> 00:51:01,893
If you see them as chattel,

1149
00:51:01,893 --> 00:51:04,354
then they're simply
Black bodies

1150
00:51:04,354 --> 00:51:07,274
that really don't have crimes
committed against them.

1151
00:51:07,274 --> 00:51:09,109
PERSON: This moment was
so shockingly crude

1152
00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:10,569
and awful and horrifying.

1153
00:51:10,569 --> 00:51:12,821
Why has television
played it 670,000 times?

1154
00:51:12,821 --> 00:51:15,115
‐ You know why,
because people want to see it.

1155
00:51:17,909 --> 00:51:19,995
MATT: The Super Bowl
immediately strained

1156
00:51:19,995 --> 00:51:22,289
Virgin's relationship
with MTV.

1157
00:51:23,457 --> 00:51:26,126
All of a sudden,
MTV was in trouble with CBS,

1158
00:51:26,126 --> 00:51:29,046
and they were dealing
with those issues,

1159
00:51:29,046 --> 00:51:30,797
while we were dealing
with our issues

1160
00:51:30,797 --> 00:51:32,758
of getting ready
to release an album.

1161
00:51:32,758 --> 00:51:34,885
‐ Her latest CD is called
"Damita Jo."

1162
00:51:34,885 --> 00:51:37,387
Please welcome Janet Jackson.

1163
00:51:37,387 --> 00:51:39,931
‐ There's effectively
a blacklist.

1164
00:51:39,931 --> 00:51:41,350
I use this word advisedly,

1165
00:51:41,350 --> 00:51:43,060
because it wasn't
across the board.

1166
00:51:43,060 --> 00:51:46,563
It wasn't as if the entire
industry blacklisted Janet.

1167
00:51:46,563 --> 00:51:48,273
MATT:
'Cause nobody said to us,

1168
00:51:48,273 --> 00:51:50,233
"We're just not
gonna play Janet."

1169
00:51:50,233 --> 00:51:52,402
You just had to kind of
discern it, over time.

1170
00:51:52,402 --> 00:51:55,238
But meanwhile,
the record is losing traction.

1171
00:51:55,238 --> 00:51:57,282
The record is losing steam.

1172
00:51:58,283 --> 00:51:59,951
‐ Clear Channel, at that time,

1173
00:51:59,951 --> 00:52:03,664
had about 1,200 radio stations
across the country.

1174
00:52:03,664 --> 00:52:07,334
We had 200 million
listeners a week.

1175
00:52:07,334 --> 00:52:10,962
All of the programming
decisions were made locally,

1176
00:52:10,962 --> 00:52:17,803
and so there couldn't have been
a systemwide blacklist.

1177
00:52:17,803 --> 00:52:20,764
Now, if there was
a blacklist locally,

1178
00:52:20,764 --> 00:52:24,267
in Salt Lake City, for example,
because the program manager

1179
00:52:24,267 --> 00:52:26,645
there knew
that his audience was offended

1180
00:52:26,645 --> 00:52:29,189
by what Janet did
on Super Bowl Sunday,

1181
00:52:29,189 --> 00:52:33,360
then that's entirely
conceivable that her new album

1182
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,904
wasn't played in Salt Lake City

1183
00:52:35,904 --> 00:52:37,823
on Clear Channel airwaves.

1184
00:52:37,823 --> 00:52:39,032
REPORTER:
Two songs from her album have

1185
00:52:39,032 --> 00:52:41,368
fizzled on top 40 radio.

1186
00:52:41,368 --> 00:52:42,869
‐ ♪ This girl is down ♪

1187
00:52:42,869 --> 00:52:45,205
REPORTER: And MTV,
the outfit that produced

1188
00:52:45,205 --> 00:52:46,707
the Super Bowl halftime show,

1189
00:52:46,707 --> 00:52:50,293
has not exactly gone bananas
over her music video,

1190
00:52:50,293 --> 00:52:52,838
giving it
no airplay whatsoever.

1191
00:52:52,838 --> 00:52:56,007
‐ I don't know if "blacklist"
is the word that they tried

1192
00:52:56,007 --> 00:52:59,344
to do to my sister,
but it sure seemed like

1193
00:52:59,344 --> 00:53:04,266
they were trying to diminish
her career and her ability.

1194
00:53:04,266 --> 00:53:06,309
‐ We all knew, as a family.

1195
00:53:06,309 --> 00:53:10,355
We knew that they were in some
way sabotaging Auntie Janet.

1196
00:53:10,355 --> 00:53:14,192
To me,
when you're behind the scenes

1197
00:53:14,192 --> 00:53:16,111
influencing
another artist's career,

1198
00:53:16,111 --> 00:53:17,863
you can call it
whatever you want,

1199
00:53:17,863 --> 00:53:22,743
but her career suffered because
of someone whose ego was hurt.

1200
00:53:24,953 --> 00:53:27,122
CHRIS: We'll never know
how that album

1201
00:53:27,122 --> 00:53:28,582
would have done in a vacuum.

1202
00:53:28,582 --> 00:53:33,670
The album, the quality
of the songs, the incident.

1203
00:53:33,670 --> 00:53:35,380
It's all mixed together
in a stew

1204
00:53:35,380 --> 00:53:38,383
that we'll never be able
to pull apart.

1205
00:53:38,383 --> 00:53:40,677
PERSON:
A significant pock mark

1206
00:53:40,677 --> 00:53:44,973
on an otherwise
brilliant career.

1207
00:53:44,973 --> 00:53:47,476
CATHY: The way Janet Jackson
was deserted

1208
00:53:47,476 --> 00:53:53,857
by the successful white
companies was despicable.

1209
00:53:53,857 --> 00:53:55,525
PERSON:
Richard, right here please.

1210
00:53:55,525 --> 00:53:58,195
CATHY: Richard Branson said
that he bought Necker Island

1211
00:53:58,195 --> 00:54:00,781
because of the success
of "Rhythm Nation."

1212
00:54:00,781 --> 00:54:02,407
RICHARD:
As Janet Jackson had a hit,

1213
00:54:02,407 --> 00:54:04,701
I would build a little piece
of the island.

1214
00:54:04,701 --> 00:54:06,203
‐ And he didn't say a word?

1215
00:54:06,203 --> 00:54:07,704
RICHARD: Build another
little piece of the island.

1216
00:54:07,704 --> 00:54:10,457
‐ The damage to
Janet's reputation

1217
00:54:10,457 --> 00:54:12,793
has a cumulative effect,

1218
00:54:12,793 --> 00:54:16,254
and ultimately, she parts ways
with Virgin Records,

1219
00:54:16,254 --> 00:54:17,756
and it would have
a negative impact

1220
00:54:17,756 --> 00:54:20,425
on all aspects of her career.

1221
00:54:20,425 --> 00:54:25,305
She never made mainstream
movies again, after that.

1222
00:54:25,305 --> 00:54:28,934
There had been an offer
for her to portray Lena Horne

1223
00:54:28,934 --> 00:54:32,103
in a movie,
and that offer was rescinded.

1224
00:54:32,103 --> 00:54:34,314
Disneyland had a statue
of Mickey Mouse

1225
00:54:34,314 --> 00:54:35,982
in a "Rhythm Nation" outfit

1226
00:54:35,982 --> 00:54:39,778
which they took down
after the Super Bowl.

1227
00:54:39,778 --> 00:54:43,156
McDonald's had a deal
with Justin Timberlake

1228
00:54:43,156 --> 00:54:45,116
which stayed in place.

1229
00:54:45,116 --> 00:54:47,827
JUSTIN: ♪ McDonald's,
bah‐dah‐bah‐bah‐bah ♪

1230
00:54:47,827 --> 00:54:49,496
♪ I'm lovin' it ♪

1231
00:54:49,496 --> 00:54:54,417
‐ Her career gets put on ice,
and Justin is rewarded.

1232
00:54:54,417 --> 00:54:57,963
ALAN:
Looking at how the two most,

1233
00:54:57,963 --> 00:55:01,716
biggest American brands dealt
with these two stars

1234
00:55:01,716 --> 00:55:06,137
is really telling about
how they were gonna be seen

1235
00:55:06,137 --> 00:55:08,974
in the culture,
in a bigger way.

1236
00:55:11,476 --> 00:55:14,312
JENNA: He profits off of his
proximity to Black culture

1237
00:55:14,312 --> 00:55:16,398
and his proximity to Janet,
right,

1238
00:55:16,398 --> 00:55:21,403
and it took us a really
long time to understand

1239
00:55:21,403 --> 00:55:23,363
just how messed up that was.

1240
00:55:31,037 --> 00:55:34,249
SAM: The issue is here that
the airwaves that are used

1241
00:55:34,249 --> 00:55:36,835
by radio and television
that are broadcast

1242
00:55:36,835 --> 00:55:38,503
are public airwaves.

1243
00:55:38,503 --> 00:55:40,171
They are owned by the public.

1244
00:55:40,171 --> 00:55:42,841
They are licensed from
the public to radio stations,

1245
00:55:42,841 --> 00:55:45,677
and they must be used
for the common good.

1246
00:55:45,677 --> 00:55:48,096
We're putting together
a piece of legislation.

1247
00:55:48,096 --> 00:55:50,015
This is the Janet Jackson bill,

1248
00:55:50,015 --> 00:55:52,142
for lack of
a better terminology.

1249
00:55:52,142 --> 00:55:55,353
Working with people,
Parents Television Council,

1250
00:55:55,353 --> 00:55:57,856
other interested members,
on this topic.

1251
00:55:57,856 --> 00:55:59,316
Committee members,

1252
00:55:59,316 --> 00:56:02,402
'cause now the committees
had this big wave of interest.

1253
00:56:04,195 --> 00:56:07,073
FRED: Good morning, everyone.
I have been swamped.

1254
00:56:07,073 --> 00:56:10,577
Thousands of letters and emails
from folks downright desperate

1255
00:56:10,577 --> 00:56:13,663
and frustrated that the
government has not adequately

1256
00:56:13,663 --> 00:56:17,417
used its authority to rein
in broadcast indecency.

1257
00:56:17,417 --> 00:56:18,960
Ms. Wilson?

1258
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:22,172
ANDY: Congresswoman Wilson
was extremely effective

1259
00:56:22,172 --> 00:56:23,923
in getting her views across.

1260
00:56:23,923 --> 00:56:27,218
She was visibly shaken
by the whole experience.

1261
00:56:27,218 --> 00:56:29,262
‐ I want to know how something
like this made it

1262
00:56:29,262 --> 00:56:31,723
onto the show,
in a very scripted,

1263
00:56:31,723 --> 00:56:34,225
rehearsed‐for‐weeks
performance.

1264
00:56:34,225 --> 00:56:38,396
ANDY: Her view was that
executives, like Mel Karmazin,

1265
00:56:38,396 --> 00:56:42,067
who was head of Viacom,
know exactly what they're doing

1266
00:56:42,067 --> 00:56:44,235
when they put
this kind of thing on the air.

1267
00:56:44,235 --> 00:56:47,614
HEATHER: You knew
what you were doing.

1268
00:56:47,614 --> 00:56:52,619
You knew what kind of
entertainment you're selling,

1269
00:56:52,619 --> 00:56:57,248
and you wanted us all
to be abuzz here in this room,

1270
00:56:57,248 --> 00:56:59,292
and on the playground
in my kids' school,

1271
00:56:59,292 --> 00:57:02,003
because it improved
your ratings.

1272
00:57:02,003 --> 00:57:06,508
It improves your market share,
and it lines your pockets.

1273
00:57:06,508 --> 00:57:08,426
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

1274
00:57:14,224 --> 00:57:17,852
‐ Ms. Jackson's unrehearsed

1275
00:57:17,852 --> 00:57:21,439
and unapproved display

1276
00:57:21,439 --> 00:57:25,360
went far beyond what is
acceptable standards

1277
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,153
for our broadcast network.

1278
00:57:27,153 --> 00:57:30,115
ANDY:
Mr. Karmazin didn't really

1279
00:57:30,115 --> 00:57:32,659
fully take responsibility.

1280
00:57:32,659 --> 00:57:37,664
‐ It is clear that
nobody at CBS,

1281
00:57:37,664 --> 00:57:39,833
nobody at Viacom,

1282
00:57:39,833 --> 00:57:44,629
nobody at MTV,
and certainly nobody at the NFL

1283
00:57:44,629 --> 00:57:46,965
knew what was going to happen.

1284
00:57:46,965 --> 00:57:49,676
Ms. Jackson
has now publicly admitted

1285
00:57:49,676 --> 00:57:53,304
that she and her choreographer,

1286
00:57:53,304 --> 00:57:55,640
unbeknownst to anyone else,

1287
00:57:55,640 --> 00:58:00,270
met privately, in advance,
with Justin Timberlake.

1288
00:58:00,270 --> 00:58:02,981
‐ And really took absolutely
no responsibility,

1289
00:58:02,981 --> 00:58:05,316
from the perspective of CBS.

1290
00:58:05,316 --> 00:58:07,444
‐ The exposure of Janet
Jackson's breast‐‐

1291
00:58:07,444 --> 00:58:08,987
‐ Janet Jackson.
‐ Janet Jackson.

1292
00:58:08,987 --> 00:58:11,781
‐ Janet Jackson's
Super Bowl show.

1293
00:58:11,781 --> 00:58:13,658
‐ The Janet Jackson incident.

1294
00:58:13,658 --> 00:58:15,660
JENNA: There was
almost this rejoicing.

1295
00:58:15,660 --> 00:58:19,330
This gleefulness
that we can now punish her.

1296
00:58:19,330 --> 00:58:21,875
‐ I must take issue
with one aspect

1297
00:58:21,875 --> 00:58:24,127
of what I see and what I hear.

1298
00:58:24,127 --> 00:58:26,963
My friend from Nebraska,
Mr. Terry,

1299
00:58:26,963 --> 00:58:30,008
and others have made comments
calling the incident

1300
00:58:30,008 --> 00:58:34,345
at the Super Bowl
the Janet Jackson incident.

1301
00:58:34,345 --> 00:58:37,682
Well, where's
Justin Timberlake?

1302
00:58:37,682 --> 00:58:39,476
‐ Justin Timberlake deserves
more than

1303
00:58:39,476 --> 00:58:40,852
just a slap on the hand.

1304
00:58:40,852 --> 00:58:43,688
It takes two to tango,
and I think only a sleazy man

1305
00:58:43,688 --> 00:58:47,567
would allow Janet Jackson
to take the full blame.

1306
00:58:47,567 --> 00:58:49,360
BOBBY RUSH: I must remind
the members of the committee

1307
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,530
this is, indeed,
Black history month.

1308
00:58:52,530 --> 00:58:55,909
And with that in mind,
I have to tell you

1309
00:58:55,909 --> 00:59:00,371
that when I saw this occurrence
at the Super Bowl,

1310
00:59:00,371 --> 00:59:06,711
it innately reminded me
of the kind of atrocities

1311
00:59:06,711 --> 00:59:08,713
that have been visited upon

1312
00:59:08,713 --> 00:59:12,383
not only African‐Americans
in general,

1313
00:59:12,383 --> 00:59:15,303
but African‐American women,
in particular.

1314
00:59:15,303 --> 00:59:16,513
I know that that's‐‐

1315
00:59:16,513 --> 00:59:18,056
SAM: The bill was
a simple bill.

1316
00:59:18,056 --> 00:59:20,475
It communicated
to the United States

1317
00:59:20,475 --> 00:59:22,644
and to the television industry

1318
00:59:22,644 --> 00:59:24,979
that we're gonna take
this more seriously.

1319
00:59:24,979 --> 00:59:26,397
PERSON: Thank you.

1320
00:59:26,397 --> 00:59:28,149
TIM: Senator Brownback
introduced legislation

1321
00:59:28,149 --> 00:59:31,778
that increased
the fines by tenfold.

1322
00:59:31,778 --> 00:59:35,782
This was something
that was a tangible victory.

1323
00:59:35,782 --> 00:59:38,243
ANDY: In the wake
of the Janet Jackson incident,

1324
00:59:38,243 --> 00:59:41,621
unfortunately, Clear Channel
got caught in the crosshairs.

1325
00:59:41,621 --> 00:59:45,166
‐ It's become increasingly
difficult to do my show.

1326
00:59:45,166 --> 00:59:46,751
The same show I did a year ago

1327
00:59:46,751 --> 00:59:48,127
the government will
fine me for.

1328
00:59:48,127 --> 00:59:50,088
I have millions of dollars
of fines against me.

1329
00:59:50,088 --> 00:59:51,798
‐ The executives at Clear
Channel Communications

1330
00:59:51,798 --> 00:59:55,051
have made it crystal clear to
radio personality Howard Stern

1331
00:59:55,051 --> 00:59:58,555
that they will not tolerate
raunchy content on the airwaves

1332
00:59:58,555 --> 01:00:01,057
pulling the shock jock show
from six cities.

1333
01:00:01,057 --> 01:00:03,852
SAM: And Howard Stern
ended up being terminated.

1334
01:00:03,852 --> 01:00:05,854
RACHEL: CBS was fined more
than $1/2 million

1335
01:00:05,854 --> 01:00:07,438
after this incident
which they fought,

1336
01:00:07,438 --> 01:00:09,107
and fought, and fought.

1337
01:00:09,107 --> 01:00:12,110
Les Moonves was so angry about
how everything had gone down

1338
01:00:12,110 --> 01:00:15,572
with the halftime show that
he even asked his executives,

1339
01:00:15,572 --> 01:00:17,991
in a meeting, whether they
could make Janet Jackson pay

1340
01:00:17,991 --> 01:00:20,493
for the fines
that would come from the FCC.

1341
01:00:20,493 --> 01:00:22,787
Nobody at CBS
wanted to pay that fine,

1342
01:00:22,787 --> 01:00:25,331
if for no other reason
than principle alone.

1343
01:00:25,331 --> 01:00:26,666
CBS appealed its fines

1344
01:00:26,666 --> 01:00:28,960
all the way up
to the Supreme Court,

1345
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,796
and ultimately,
they got it overturned.

1346
01:00:34,340 --> 01:00:37,594
PAUL: You know, I'm not
a big second‐guesser.

1347
01:00:37,594 --> 01:00:39,637
You play the game,
and if you win, you win.

1348
01:00:39,637 --> 01:00:41,097
If you lose, you lose.

1349
01:00:41,097 --> 01:00:42,348
You don't sit around
on Monday morning and say,

1350
01:00:42,348 --> 01:00:43,975
"If I had only done X,
I would be a winner."

1351
01:00:45,310 --> 01:00:48,646
If I had to do it again,
I would do what we did.

1352
01:00:48,646 --> 01:00:50,356
We fired some people.

1353
01:00:50,356 --> 01:00:53,985
SALLI: MTV was never invited
again to do the halftime show.

1354
01:00:53,985 --> 01:00:56,738
We all sort of went
our merry ways.

1355
01:00:56,738 --> 01:01:00,158
‐ I have never been invited‐‐
I know you're shocked‐‐

1356
01:01:00,158 --> 01:01:01,367
to ever direct again.

1357
01:01:01,367 --> 01:01:03,995
It's okay.
My feelings aren't hurt.

1358
01:01:03,995 --> 01:01:06,706
JIM: I announced
my resignation from the league

1359
01:01:06,706 --> 01:01:10,627
in August of 2004.

1360
01:01:10,627 --> 01:01:14,589
You know, in the 26 games
I was in charge of,

1361
01:01:14,589 --> 01:01:17,258
this is one of those things
that's gonna be out there

1362
01:01:17,258 --> 01:01:19,510
and remembered,
probably more so than

1363
01:01:19,510 --> 01:01:21,262
some of the really
good things that happened.

1364
01:01:21,262 --> 01:01:27,810
‐ I understand it was a huge
headache for the NFL, CBS, MTV,

1365
01:01:27,810 --> 01:01:31,314
but the end result is
you can't get around the fact

1366
01:01:31,314 --> 01:01:33,107
she took the hit for this.

1367
01:01:43,451 --> 01:01:45,912
CHRIS: Janet wore a scarlet
letter for this incident

1368
01:01:45,912 --> 01:01:48,039
for quite a long time.

1369
01:01:48,039 --> 01:01:49,916
OPRAH: 24 hours
after that Super Bowl,

1370
01:01:49,916 --> 01:01:52,210
Janet issued an apology,

1371
01:01:52,210 --> 01:01:54,212
and I had read
in another magazine

1372
01:01:54,212 --> 01:01:55,880
that you regret
making that apology.

1373
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:57,548
Is that true? Why?

1374
01:01:57,548 --> 01:02:00,385
‐ Uh, it was an accident.

1375
01:02:00,385 --> 01:02:02,512
‐ Do you think
Justin Timberlake

1376
01:02:02,512 --> 01:02:04,347
left you hanging out there?

1377
01:02:06,224 --> 01:02:07,892
SPECTATOR: Yes. SPECTATOR: Yes!

1378
01:02:07,892 --> 01:02:09,894
SPECTATOR: Yes.
‐ I am speaking to Ms. Jackson.

1379
01:02:09,894 --> 01:02:11,396
[laughter]

1380
01:02:11,396 --> 01:02:14,190
‐ You know, when we talk
about racism,

1381
01:02:14,190 --> 01:02:16,943
and we talk about sexism,

1382
01:02:16,943 --> 01:02:19,070
the fallout from
the Super Bowl incident

1383
01:02:19,070 --> 01:02:22,073
is what we're talking about.
That's what it looks like.

1384
01:02:22,073 --> 01:02:27,870
‐ If you consider it 50/50,
I mean I probably got 10%...

1385
01:02:27,870 --> 01:02:29,622
‐ Mm‐hmm.
‐ Of the blame.

1386
01:02:29,622 --> 01:02:33,960
And that‐‐I think that says
something about society.

1387
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:35,920
JENNA:
Then, as the years went on,

1388
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:37,880
while Justin
just got bigger...

1389
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:40,758
‐ It is great to be here
hosting "Saturday Night Live."

1390
01:02:40,758 --> 01:02:43,386
JENNA: I think I just got
angrier about it, you know.

1391
01:02:43,386 --> 01:02:44,762
Angrier and angrier about it.

1392
01:02:44,762 --> 01:02:47,223
JUSTIN: I do have time.
JIMMY: You do have time?

1393
01:02:47,223 --> 01:02:48,391
‐ I do have time.

1394
01:02:48,391 --> 01:02:50,268
‐ You do halftime?
‐ I do halftime!

1395
01:02:50,268 --> 01:02:52,478
‐ You're doing the halftime
show at the Super Bowl?

1396
01:02:52,478 --> 01:02:55,815
ALAN: 14 years
after the 2004 incident,

1397
01:02:55,815 --> 01:02:58,317
Justin Timberlake is invited
back to be the headliner

1398
01:02:58,317 --> 01:03:00,153
of the Super Bowl in 2018.

1399
01:03:00,153 --> 01:03:02,613
‐ ♪ Talk to me, boy ♪

1400
01:03:02,613 --> 01:03:05,324
‐ ♪ No disrespect,
I don't mean no harm ♪

1401
01:03:05,324 --> 01:03:07,744
‐ ♪ Talk to me, boy ♪

1402
01:03:07,744 --> 01:03:10,913
‐ ♪ Hurry up ♪

1403
01:03:10,913 --> 01:03:14,125
♪ Hold up, stop ♪

1404
01:03:14,125 --> 01:03:18,546
CHRIS: It was basically
the most obvious evidence

1405
01:03:18,546 --> 01:03:23,134
that almost nothing about
that incident stuck to him.

1406
01:03:23,134 --> 01:03:24,635
REPORTER: While Justin
has been forgiven

1407
01:03:24,635 --> 01:03:26,137
and gets to perform
again this year,

1408
01:03:26,137 --> 01:03:29,390
some fans are calling
for justice for Janet.

1409
01:03:29,390 --> 01:03:32,435
‐ Trending yesterday was "Janet
Jackson appreciation day."

1410
01:03:32,435 --> 01:03:33,936
‐ The internet says,

1411
01:03:33,936 --> 01:03:36,272
"We are not gonna
let this pass.

1412
01:03:36,272 --> 01:03:37,899
We don't forget."

1413
01:03:37,899 --> 01:03:41,027
I remember seeing those tweets
bubble up and the images,

1414
01:03:41,027 --> 01:03:44,363
and I remember feeling
so relieved,

1415
01:03:44,363 --> 01:03:46,199
you know,
that the chapter wasn't over.

1416
01:03:46,199 --> 01:03:49,368
That the story wasn't closed
on Janet.

1417
01:03:50,912 --> 01:03:52,538
ALAN:
The support was definitely

1418
01:03:52,538 --> 01:03:54,707
a catalyst
for Janet's induction

1419
01:03:54,707 --> 01:03:57,752
into the Rock & Roll
Hall of Fame.

1420
01:03:57,752 --> 01:03:59,670
[cheers and applause]

1421
01:04:03,299 --> 01:04:08,513
‐ I want to say a personal word
to each and every fan.

1422
01:04:08,513 --> 01:04:10,348
[cheers and applause]
You've been with me

1423
01:04:10,348 --> 01:04:12,100
every step of the way.

1424
01:04:12,100 --> 01:04:13,351
FAN: Janet!

1425
01:04:13,351 --> 01:04:18,189
‐ Through all my ups.
All my downs.

1426
01:04:19,357 --> 01:04:23,069
I have never‐‐I never have

1427
01:04:23,069 --> 01:04:26,155
and I never will
take you for granted.

1428
01:04:26,155 --> 01:04:29,158
[cheers and applause]

1429
01:04:29,158 --> 01:04:33,329
I love you with all my heart.
Thank you so much.

1430
01:04:33,329 --> 01:04:37,583
‐ The tide turned so much,
actually, that Michael Powell,

1431
01:04:37,583 --> 01:04:40,920
who was the head of the FCC
back in 2004,

1432
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:44,340
comes out and says
the reaction was overblown.

1433
01:04:44,340 --> 01:04:45,925
But it still feels bittersweet.

1434
01:04:45,925 --> 01:04:48,511
You know, it still feels
like it took too long.

1435
01:04:48,511 --> 01:04:53,933
It feels like the pounds
of flesh it extracted‐‐

1436
01:04:56,185 --> 01:04:57,562
We'll never know.

1437
01:04:57,562 --> 01:05:00,898
We'll never actually know
how much it took

1438
01:05:00,898 --> 01:05:02,608
to get to where she is now.

1439
01:05:02,608 --> 01:05:05,736
‐ Ironically, what's considered
appropriate now

1440
01:05:05,736 --> 01:05:09,198
is owning your sexuality.

1441
01:05:09,198 --> 01:05:11,284
Owning your identity.

1442
01:05:11,284 --> 01:05:15,037
Whether it's Ariana Grande,
Nicki Minaj,

1443
01:05:15,037 --> 01:05:17,415
Beyoncé, obviously,
and now Cardi B

1444
01:05:17,415 --> 01:05:19,792
and Megan Thee Stallion
on a record like "WAP."

1445
01:05:19,792 --> 01:05:23,754
Women are generally applauded
for their sexual agency.

1446
01:05:23,754 --> 01:05:27,383
DANYEL: I like women saying
what they want to say,

1447
01:05:27,383 --> 01:05:29,510
and acting how
they want to act,

1448
01:05:29,510 --> 01:05:32,221
and dressing
how they want to dress.

1449
01:05:32,221 --> 01:05:35,933
And Janet Jackson laid
all that groundwork.

1450
01:05:35,933 --> 01:05:40,271
‐ And Rock & Roll Hall of Fame.
Please.

1451
01:05:40,271 --> 01:05:44,275
2020, induct more women.
Thank you so much.

1452
01:05:45,276 --> 01:05:46,819
REPORTER: Breaking news.
The "New Yorker" tonight

1453
01:05:46,819 --> 01:05:48,529
reporting allegations
from six women

1454
01:05:48,529 --> 01:05:50,948
who say they were sexually
harassed and intimidated

1455
01:05:50,948 --> 01:05:53,993
by the chairman
and CEO of CBS, Les Moonves.

1456
01:05:53,993 --> 01:05:55,703
RACHEL: So 14 years later,

1457
01:05:55,703 --> 01:05:58,331
the man who had demanded more
contrition from Janet Jackson

1458
01:05:58,331 --> 01:06:00,666
for supposed harm
she did to CBS

1459
01:06:00,666 --> 01:06:02,001
was forced out of the company

1460
01:06:02,001 --> 01:06:04,003
when he was accused
of sexual harassment

1461
01:06:04,003 --> 01:06:05,421
and dismissed
those accusations

1462
01:06:05,421 --> 01:06:07,298
as an effort
to destroy his career.

1463
01:06:07,298 --> 01:06:09,634
REPORTER: The latest round
of accusations ranges

1464
01:06:09,634 --> 01:06:12,386
from violent encounters
to sexual assault.

1465
01:06:12,386 --> 01:06:16,057
‐ And so for all of his ire,
ultimately,

1466
01:06:16,057 --> 01:06:19,310
he was the one who had to
step down in disgrace.

1467
01:06:22,230 --> 01:06:24,273
JENNA: I'm really grateful
that we've arrived

1468
01:06:24,273 --> 01:06:26,817
at this moment
of a cultural reckoning

1469
01:06:26,817 --> 01:06:31,155
and reevaluation
of what happened,

1470
01:06:31,155 --> 01:06:34,533
but we should never forget
what they did to Janet, right.

1471
01:06:34,533 --> 01:06:36,535
We should never forget
that outrage.

1472
01:06:36,535 --> 01:06:39,789
What was the cost
for this woman

1473
01:06:39,789 --> 01:06:41,832
and was it worth it?

1474
01:06:43,834 --> 01:06:46,796
["Control" by Janet Jackson]

1475
01:06:46,796 --> 01:06:52,051
♪ ♪

1476
01:06:52,051 --> 01:06:54,178
JANET: And I want to thank
all of you

1477
01:06:54,178 --> 01:06:56,806
for making "Control"

1478
01:06:56,806 --> 01:07:00,226
#1 once again, after 35 years.

1479
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:04,522
I never‐‐never
in a million years.

1480
01:07:04,522 --> 01:07:07,275
I would never think
that this would happen.

1481
01:07:07,275 --> 01:07:11,862
I really appreciate you,
and I love you so, so much.

1482
01:07:11,862 --> 01:07:14,865
[soft dramatic music]

1483
01:07:14,865 --> 01:07:21,872
♪ ♪

1484
01:07:54,947 --> 01:07:57,950
[dramatic music]

1485
01:07:57,950 --> 01:08:04,957
♪ ♪