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‎（德州 凱德湖 新開始社區教堂）

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‎（出獄後十週）

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‎我要進教堂了

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‎小朋友在外面玩

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‎找樂子

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‎大家好

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‎-你好
‎-你好

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‎見到你真好

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‎-你好
‎-這是我兒子昆汀

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‎昆汀，幸會

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‎最近我的假釋官

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‎讓我開始上教堂

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‎我已經上了

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‎六個禮拜的教堂

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‎對我來說是個恩賜

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‎-戴爾
‎-見到你真好，過得怎麼樣？

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‎-我的手很油
‎-沒關係

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‎沒關係，上帝保佑

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‎我等待這一刻

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‎很久了

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‎這些人也知道

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‎請天父引導我做出正確的抉擇

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‎教導我怎麼利用時間

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‎完成最大的善舉

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‎讓我這輩子過得更充實

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‎（戴爾席格勒在審判時宣稱）

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‎（他在搶劫期間殺害約翰柴德納）

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‎戴爾，我覺得現在時機正好

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‎請你上台說出自己的見證

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‎（他在30年後宣稱
‎犯案動機並非如此）

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‎我只想感謝各位每一個人

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‎願意給我這個機會

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‎你們敞開心胸，開放這間教堂

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‎讓我和各位一起生活

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‎我直到三、四年前才有足夠的勇氣

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‎站出來承認自己以前是什麼樣的人

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‎我因為1990年的殺人案受審

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‎最後在死囚牢房待了三年

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‎因為我殺了一個人

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‎對方要脅我發生同性戀關係

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‎在我奪走那個人的生命後

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‎有人認為我不該活在世界上

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‎難道因為我是殺人犯
‎就沒有說出真相的資格嗎？

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‎我不在乎那些懷疑的人

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‎因為上帝的子民會瞭解

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‎NETFLIX 原創影集

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‎大家必須瞭解

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‎每個人一生中都會碰到

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‎各種考驗和磨難

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‎我在那天奪走一條生命後

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‎也等於奪走自己的生命
‎因為我當時不想活了

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‎因為我已經不想活在痛苦中

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‎我小時候經歷了不好的事

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‎十歲時遭到猥褻

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‎讓我終身受創

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‎我帶著這個污名

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‎長大成人，很辛苦

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‎這件事讓我質疑自己的性向
‎質疑我到底是不是男人？

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‎最後引發了

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‎我11年後的自毀行為

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‎因為我想逃避自己的心魔和恐懼

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‎等我到了德州後

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‎一切又重蹈覆轍

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‎我殺人的那段期間

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‎情緒起伏很大

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‎我是迷途的羔羊

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‎又開始注射毒品
‎甲基安非他命、古柯鹼

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‎我就在那時認識了約翰

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‎後來…我們變成好朋友

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‎他讓我到他家洗澡、睡個覺

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‎我相信他，跟他掏心掏肺

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‎訴說以前的傷痛

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‎還有我為什麼流落街頭

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‎還有十歲時被人猥褻

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‎久而久之

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‎我相信約翰，開始瞭解約翰

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‎以為他是真心相待的好朋友

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‎那天晚上我到他家

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‎洗了澡

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‎躺下來睡覺，醒來時

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‎發現他壓在我身上，我把他推開

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‎我說：“你幹嘛？”

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‎我去收拾東西

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‎然後…

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‎我十歲時的…

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‎…恐懼感襲來

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‎我說：“約翰，我跟你當朋友
‎但是你為什麼以為

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‎我想做這種事？”

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‎他說：“帥哥，如果你不…

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‎就算你不同意

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‎我也會告訴大家你跟我做了”

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‎我這輩子壓抑了所有委屈，可是…

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‎我已經到了臨界點

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‎我跟約翰當朋友

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‎結果他想要脅我
‎跟他發生同性戀關係

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‎我說：“這個人生沒什麼好留戀的”

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‎我說：“如果你這麼做

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‎我保證殺了你”

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‎我講這句話是真心的
‎因為我已經不想活了

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‎約翰差點欺負我的兩天後

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‎他到處打電話找我

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‎我認為這是一種威脅

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‎他想告訴大家

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‎我們有性行為，這不是真的

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‎因為我也許有很多問題
‎我甚至可能會殺人

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‎但我從來就不是同性戀

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‎後來我決定反擊

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‎我警告過他了

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‎我打算實踐自己的諾言

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‎1990年4月6日

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‎我走進那家Subway三明治餐廳

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‎他說：“你決定回心轉意了嗎？”

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‎我拿出口袋裡的點45口徑手槍

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‎把槍放在櫃臺上，推到他面前

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‎他真的開始全身發抖，嚇壞了

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‎我朝他胸口開了六槍

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‎他倒下去後

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‎我打完剩下的子彈，朝他的後腦

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‎再補兩槍

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‎我經常捫心自問

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‎怎麼會讓自己陷入絕境，做出那種事

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‎讓自己深陷黑暗

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‎讓自己身心殘缺

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‎我要為此永遠付出代價

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‎我很後悔奪走約翰的生命

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‎誰也不該有這種下場

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‎所以我直到今天都還沒原諒自己

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‎有人要我往前看

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‎要我原諒自己

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‎但這並不容易

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‎可是我沒辦法讓時光倒流

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‎我現在只能讓自己的人生過得有意義

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‎想辦法回饋社會

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‎我的人生一直…

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‎處於風吹雨打之中，充滿挫折、逆流

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‎讓我不斷向下沈淪…

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‎所以我才說出往事，希望回饋社會

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‎我想幫忙其他人
‎讓他們知道被人猥褻

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‎或被性侵，或遭遇其他痛苦時

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‎必須想辦法對外求助，直到有人傾聽

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‎我十歲時並沒有做什麼

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‎不該被人猥褻

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‎但是我的心裡終身受創

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‎無處發洩，無處可走

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‎可是這種傷痛讓我找到人生目的

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‎找到上帝為我安排的未來

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‎因為我知道只要我活著一天

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‎只要我一息尚存

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‎就能證明奇蹟真的可以出現

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‎謝謝各位

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‎阿們

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‎我覺得這是獲得救贖的故事

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‎我們都可以獲得救贖

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‎但是必須走上正途

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‎我覺得太感人了

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‎我對戴爾心有戚戚焉

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‎因為我自己也坐牢

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‎28年整

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‎罪名是殺人未遂

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‎但是我並沒有像戴爾

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‎戴爾醒悟，找到上帝，洗心革面

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‎我沒有，我只是…繼續叛逆

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‎我覺得戴爾很好

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‎他言之有物

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‎我出獄後得到很多恩賜

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‎很多人的心都軟化了

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‎自從我出獄後，我就一直祈禱能這樣

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‎-對啊
‎-所以上帝真的為我開路

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‎過去幾個月來

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‎戴爾進步了很多

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‎他獲得很多人的支持

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‎尤其是教會信眾

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‎他讓大家非常佩服

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‎因為他見證神恩，說出自己的過去

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‎戴爾只要找到機會跟別人說話

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‎就能讓對方感到五體投地

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‎-請進…
‎-你好

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‎你好

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‎-這位是戴爾
‎-你好

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‎戴爾，這是我孫子夏儂二世

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‎-妳好
‎-這位是珍妮

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‎還有夏安

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‎感謝各位過來看我

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‎我一直想來，只是很忙

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‎我這個人坦蕩蕩

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‎什麼問題都可以問

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‎我知無不答

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‎我不會隱瞞自己
‎是什麼樣的人，自己的過去

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‎-我從來沒有…
‎-他很正大光明

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‎…不好意思到

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‎不敢回答問題的地步

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‎我可以問怎麼回事嗎？

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‎妳想知道怎麼回事？

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‎我十歲還小時被人猥褻

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‎11年後我流落街頭

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‎有人想要脅我跟他發生同性戀關係

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‎我跟他說：“我現在過這種生活…”

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‎我說：“你敢這麼做，我就殺了你”

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‎我說：“因為我這個人只剩下

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‎個人名聲而已

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‎我說話算話，我要抬頭挺胸”

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‎妳懂嗎？

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‎他以為我在跟他玩

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‎-所以你殺了他？
‎-對

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‎那天晚上我殺了兩個人，他還有我

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‎但是上帝的恩典讓我還活著

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‎不是每個人都能瞭解或接受

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‎我的說詞，因為世界上有兩種人

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‎最讓大家害怕

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‎殺人犯和兒童性侵犯

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‎而我是殺人犯

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‎-太可愛了…
‎-認識你真好

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00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,600
‎可是慢慢的，大家只要跟我說過話

214
00:12:37,680 --> 00:12:38,840
‎跟我聊過天

215
00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:40,200
‎聽過我的故事

216
00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,280
‎通常都知道我現在變了

217
00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:44,160
‎謝謝你們過來

218
00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,160
‎-大家當個朋友，常常過來喔
‎-對，常來打聲招呼

219
00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:52,680
‎妳覺得呢？

220
00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:53,960
‎他好愛講話

221
00:12:56,680 --> 00:12:58,200
‎對啊，畢竟在牢裡

222
00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:00,120
‎-關了很久
‎-他還不錯啦

223
00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,440
‎他會一直講，告訴大家他的過去…

224
00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:05,960
‎讓大家知道他是誰

225
00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,600
‎對啊，看來他在牢裡學到很多

226
00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,200
‎他以前吸毒，而且過得很辛苦

227
00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:16,640
‎那個男的也傷害了他

228
00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,040
‎對，我可能也會做出同樣的事

229
00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,920
‎（德州 達拉斯市）

230
00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,560
‎我在殺人之前流落街頭

231
00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:39,240
‎後來認識約翰柴德納

232
00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,120
‎我相信約翰，開始瞭解約翰

233
00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,640
‎以為他是真心相待的好朋友

234
00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:50,280
‎然後他想要脅我跟他發生同性戀關係

235
00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,440
‎我說：“這個人生沒什麼好留戀的”

236
00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,440
‎我說：“如果你這麼做
‎我保證殺了你”

237
00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,080
‎如果他現在相信這種話

238
00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,280
‎而且還以為這是正當理由

239
00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,440
‎說老實話，我會有問題

240
00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:11,840
‎我很擔心…

241
00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:17,600
‎社會大眾接觸到這種非理性思想

242
00:14:17,680 --> 00:14:19,240
‎我不會說誰在說謊

243
00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:21,640
‎因為我不知道孰真孰假，我覺得

244
00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,560
‎這種說法，如果這種說法

245
00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:28,680
‎是真的，是對的

246
00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,200
‎當初就應該告訴陪審團

247
00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:33,840
‎所以我老實跟你說

248
00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:35,440
‎我不會完全相信

249
00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:40,160
‎如果我聽得沒錯
‎他聲稱自己遭到要脅…

250
00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,360
‎對方威脅要說他…

251
00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:46,320
‎…是同性戀

252
00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:48,280
‎對吧？

253
00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,080
‎我覺得這說法太可笑了

254
00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:52,360
‎如果有人想

255
00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:57,120
‎對我的生活方式造謠

256
00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:58,880
‎我根本就不管，隨便你

257
00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:00,440
‎我知道我是誰

258
00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:01,960
‎對我有什麼影響？

259
00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,200
‎我又不會痛，好嗎？

260
00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,560
‎我當然沒有殺害你的權利

261
00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,280
‎這真的很極端，實在太極端了

262
00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:10,840
‎而且…

263
00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:13,520
‎非常不理性

264
00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,120
‎席格勒現在角色對調

265
00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,480
‎把自己塑造成被害人

266
00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:25,960
‎約翰柴德納反而變成壞人

267
00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:29,040
‎他可不是被害人

268
00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,000
‎他不是被害人

269
00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:33,920
‎如果他受害，那也是自己害自己

270
00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:35,160
‎因為他殺人

271
00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:36,200
‎不是誰的錯

272
00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,760
‎這件事不能怪其他人，就這樣

273
00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:40,840
‎除了他自己

274
00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:42,800
‎你必須下跪

275
00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,240
‎不只要謝謝神，還要下跪

276
00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,360
‎謝謝社會大眾願意給你機會

277
00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,360
‎他一直要大家瞭解他

278
00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:51,200
‎我跟你說，朋友，這個社會

279
00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,040
‎給你改過自新的機會

280
00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:55,920
‎你應該心存感謝，應該謙卑

281
00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:57,480
‎你必須負起責任

282
00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,880
‎不要再捏造藉口
‎不要再講了，人要往前看

283
00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:02,640
‎做你該做的事

284
00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,920
‎（德州 凱德湖）

285
00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,800
‎我不是要推卸責任，只是說出實話

286
00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,720
‎我對殺人的事負起全責

287
00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:28,440
‎但是請瞭解我怎麼走到那一步的

288
00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:31,920
‎我當時人很糊塗

289
00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,160
‎看不到未來，看不到人生

290
00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:38,680
‎只能看到痛苦和折磨

291
00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,280
‎你除了殺人以外沒有別的辦法嗎？

292
00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:47,000
‎大家都不瞭解，大家一直在說

293
00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:48,280
‎你應該怎麼做

294
00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:50,000
‎放馬後砲誰都會

295
00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:55,120
‎30年後再來講當時可以怎麼做

296
00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:57,400
‎根本就是浪費時間

297
00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:00,360
‎無法解決問題

298
00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:02,160
‎沒辦法讓約翰死而復生

299
00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,000
‎大家不想瞭解的是

300
00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,520
‎以前的痛苦和折磨把我逼上絕路

301
00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:10,160
‎造成我最後殺人

302
00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:12,480
‎當時為什麼不告訴別人？

303
00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:15,600
‎我幹嘛告訴別人？

304
00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:19,880
‎我本來想告訴律師和其他人

305
00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:22,520
‎結果我被人家挖苦

306
00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,080
‎我第一次見到律師時，律師說…

307
00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:29,240
‎“幹嘛？你是全天下最笨的白痴嗎？”

308
00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,040
‎司法制度並不想知道

309
00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:34,520
‎我的律師根本就不想知道

310
00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,520
‎所以我幹嘛告訴別人？

311
00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,480
‎因為我覺得別人絕對不會瞭解

312
00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:43,120
‎我當時無所謂

313
00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:45,280
‎我只想趕快結束

314
00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:47,360
‎我只想死

315
00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,720
‎你痛恨男同性戀或者會怕同性戀嗎？

316
00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:53,480
‎你對同性戀有什麼感覺？

317
00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:54,400
‎沒有

318
00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,200
‎我殺他並不是因為他是同性戀

319
00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,120
‎我沒有恨過或怕過同性戀

320
00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,400
‎對於其他人的生活方式

321
00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,120
‎也沒有任何不滿的地方

322
00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,160
‎因為我不會批評別人

323
00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:10,560
‎我支持同性戀嗎？

324
00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:12,800
‎不支持，我認為神厭惡同性戀

325
00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,520
‎因為這是神告訴我們的原則

326
00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:18,720
‎那是聖經教我的

327
00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:21,400
‎那種人會受到上帝懲罰

328
00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:23,440
‎但我不會去批評別人

329
00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:25,080
‎我無論如何都愛世人

330
00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,800
‎所以從小開始，甚至到今天

331
00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:29,000
‎我都不會批評別人

332
00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:30,960
‎我不會因為別人的信仰

333
00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,000
‎或性傾向而痛恨對方

334
00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:35,120
‎從來沒有過

335
00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,400
‎可是好像其他人都想指責我

336
00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,720
‎因為我殺的是同性戀
‎就想把整件事搞成仇恨犯罪

337
00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:43,840
‎並不是這樣

338
00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:46,320
‎會不會他誤會你的意思？

339
00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,320
‎誰都不可能誤解我的意思

340
00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:54,120
‎你不可能誤解我是什麼樣的人

341
00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:55,440
‎不可能

342
00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,400
‎大家以為…可能還有什麼內情

343
00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,840
‎是他們不知道的

344
00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:07,040
‎或者我只是想要出名個一下子

345
00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,080
‎或者也許是…

346
00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,120
‎想要掩飾其他的東西，或者…

347
00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:14,080
‎不對，我說的是真的

348
00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,960
‎當時就是這樣，沒有半句假話

349
00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:27,440
‎我現在說出來的原因
‎不是為了破壞他人名聲

350
00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,800
‎也不是要找藉口，不是要合理化

351
00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:32,080
‎我的行為

352
00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,280
‎我已經不在乎別人說什麼

353
00:19:35,360 --> 00:19:36,680
‎想什麼或怎麼看了

354
00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:38,760
‎因為我知道這是真的

355
00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,320
‎（德州 沃斯堡）

356
00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:50,880
‎這是最完美的託詞

357
00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:55,920
‎因為能說出真相的人已經死了

358
00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,400
‎把責任推給死人太簡單了

359
00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,000
‎反正他又不會站出來

360
00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,280
‎告訴我們戴爾席格勒和他之間

361
00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:09,840
‎到底

362
00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:12,360
‎是什麼關係

363
00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:16,000
‎就算你覺得席格勒說的是實話

364
00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,680
‎那當然也不是殺人的理由

365
00:20:20,120 --> 00:20:21,520
‎只因為對方想要

366
00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:23,800
‎有同性戀關係？

367
00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:25,880
‎拜託，別鬧了

368
00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:35,920
‎（由於戴爾已經被判
‎預謀殺人罪成立）

369
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:40,080
‎（因此改變殺人動機說詞
‎並不影響定罪或假釋與否）

370
00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,160
‎我覺得問題變成

371
00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:51,000
‎哪個情形比較嚴重
‎是約翰柴德納因為戴爾席格勒

372
00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,800
‎聲稱他是同性戀，而且要脅

373
00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:55,520
‎戴爾席格勒

374
00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:57,120
‎所以才痛下殺手？

375
00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:01,360
‎還是他殺害約翰柴德納

376
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:03,840
‎的原因是自己想搶錢

377
00:21:04,360 --> 00:21:06,760
‎拿去買更多毒品和酒？

378
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,720
‎我覺得兩種情形都很可惡

379
00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,800
‎不管你用哪種說法

380
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:15,800
‎都只有一個共同點

381
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,440
‎那就是約翰柴德納死了

382
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:32,120
‎（柴德納的家人在錄影時並不知道）

383
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,520
‎（戴爾席格勒改變動機說詞）

384
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,160
‎我真的不知道他後不後悔

385
00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:41,440
‎希望他後悔了

386
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,240
‎我也希望他每天都想到
‎自己怎麼傷害我家人

387
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:46,840
‎我不會原諒

388
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,240
‎我永遠不會原諒他

389
00:21:50,360 --> 00:21:53,720
‎他不管跟我說什麼、做什麼
‎都沒辦法讓我哥死而復生

390
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:54,880
‎我會原諒他嗎？

391
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:57,600
‎不會

392
00:21:58,200 --> 00:21:59,040
‎絕對不會

393
00:21:59,120 --> 00:22:01,680
‎就算我覺得他改過自新也一樣

394
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:03,080
‎我的感覺還是一樣

395
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,840
‎你必須為做過的事情

396
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:07,520
‎付出代價

397
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,400
‎（佛瑞斯特和約翰哈藍柴德納）

398
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,920
‎（無法接受戴爾席格勒認為
‎他們的哥哥必須為命案負責）

399
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:20,440
‎（他們至今仍然反對他假釋出獄）

400
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:28,600
‎我認為只要當過檢察官
‎辯護律師或法官

401
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:29,920
‎一段時間

402
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,520
‎都會問一個問題…

403
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,400
‎“殺人罪要怎麼處罰才公平？”

404
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:36,760
‎所以…

405
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:41,920
‎我認為這是個非常難回答的問題

406
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,240
‎對於他因本案得到的判決，我很滿意

407
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,720
‎不管別人怎麼說

408
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:53,240
‎坐牢30年真的已經很久了

409
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:58,360
‎戴爾的人生幾乎有六成都耗在牢裡

410
00:22:58,760 --> 00:22:59,600
‎所以…

411
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:01,840
‎我對這個判決沒意見

412
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:04,480
‎但是他最好不要再犯錯

413
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:35,520
‎（戴爾獲釋三個月後
‎在附近的農場找到工作）

414
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,360
‎過了30年才開車

415
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,000
‎感覺真愜意

416
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,640
‎我等了好久才能

417
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,320
‎進自己的車子好好開車

418
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:49,960
‎到上班的地方

419
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,560
‎享受人生，享受風吹著我的頭髮

420
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:55,600
‎打開收音機

421
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:56,880
‎感覺無比自在

422
00:23:57,120 --> 00:23:58,840
‎這才是生活

423
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,520
‎我每天都很喜歡來這裡

424
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:21,200
‎因為這裡有一點

425
00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:22,200
‎安靜

426
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:23,800
‎祥和、寧靜

427
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,800
‎關在牢裡，到處都有人大叫和怒吼

428
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,280
‎感覺有點痛苦

429
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,000
‎可是現在不必忍受了，鬆了一口氣

430
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:40,920
‎辛苦工作整個禮拜後

431
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,880
‎把薪水裝進口袋回家

432
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,960
‎洗個澡以後坐下，跟家人共進晚餐

433
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,560
‎聊聊生活、享受生活
‎還有什麼比這樣更幸福？

434
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,080
‎我以前把這種生活視為理所當然

435
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,480
‎現在我珍惜生活的每一刻

436
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:01,720
‎我已經

437
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,920
‎獨居一段時間了

438
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,240
‎雖然我喜歡獨處

439
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:14,240
‎但是可以跟別人聊天、生活也挺好的

440
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:16,840
‎所以我們都很快樂

441
00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:21,440
‎能夠瞭解彼此的過去和個性

442
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:23,240
‎享受人生

443
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:24,240
‎享受生活

444
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,840
‎這是我高中的畢業紀念冊

445
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,400
‎-這個…我…
‎-我那一年出生耶

446
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,040
‎-所以呢？妳想說什麼？
‎-1967年

447
00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:34,800
‎-那一年很棒啊
‎-好吧

448
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,840
‎妳那一年應該過得很快樂

449
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:38,640
‎妳的照片在裡面？

450
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:39,560
‎對

451
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,320
‎-夠了喔
‎-讚喔

452
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:44,720
‎夠了喔

453
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:46,480
‎讚喔

454
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,960
‎我們的關係還是很好

455
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:51,880
‎我們還是喜歡彼此

456
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:53,520
‎當然偶爾會吵架

457
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,680
‎但我們都會和好

458
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,120
‎你真的想看…

459
00:25:58,640 --> 00:25:59,680
‎我的照片？

460
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,240
‎對啊，在哪裡？

461
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:02,840
‎不告訴你

462
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:06,080
‎你得找到我

463
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,680
‎戴爾還是有顆赤子之心

464
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,280
‎他有時傻傻的

465
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,680
‎他過得很開心，也想表達

466
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:16,920
‎這種快樂

467
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,080
‎他必須像個大孩子才能表現出來

468
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,000
‎-還沒找到我？
‎-妳故意干擾我…

469
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:23,640
‎-…找到妳的照片吧？
‎-才沒有

470
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,680
‎-明明就有
‎-才沒有

471
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,640
‎-才沒有
‎-好，我說說而已

472
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:32,040
‎這個是妳？

473
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:34,120
‎對

474
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,800
‎卡蘿媽媽，妳好漂亮，現在也很漂亮

475
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:38,400
‎但是以前美呆了

476
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:40,000
‎謝謝

477
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,960
‎如果我那時19歲，而且跟妳同校

478
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:44,360
‎我一定會追妳

479
00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:46,840
‎妳好漂亮啊

480
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,400
‎妳好漂亮啊

481
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,240
‎我本來真的不知道那起命案

482
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,000
‎的太多細節

483
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,160
‎後來我們坐在客廳時

484
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,080
‎我問到這件事

485
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,560
‎他告訴我當時的情形

486
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,960
‎我有點嚇到

487
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,800
‎然後我的心更痛了

488
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:18,280
‎因為…

489
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,560
‎我知道他有多受傷

490
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,000
‎這件事不會改變我對他的想法

491
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,400
‎不管怎麼樣，我都支持他

492
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:52,480
‎現在的生活…

493
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:54,520
‎很美好

494
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,920
‎回想我走了多少路

495
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:01,840
‎經歷多少事…

496
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,120
‎我根本想不到會有這一天

497
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,280
‎能享受這一刻，能夠…

498
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,200
‎…呼吸新鮮空氣，看著天上的雲朵

499
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:17,600
‎今天真是…

500
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:19,240
‎美麗的一天

501
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:27,560
‎殺人罪要怎麼處罰

502
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:29,640
‎才公平？

503
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,040
‎我知道我有得到這個機會的資格

504
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:37,240
‎我知道我有

505
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:39,080
‎得到自由的資格

506
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,480
‎我已經坐牢30年

507
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,280
‎老早就付出了代價

508
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:46,600
‎我已經變了

509
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,120
‎我長大了、成熟了

510
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:51,400
‎所以這是公平的

511
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,800
‎我應該跟別人一樣得到這個機會

512
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,960
‎（戴爾席格勒出獄一年後
‎仍然跟卡蘿住在一起）

513
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,120
‎（但是打算搬到自己的家）

514
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:13,600
‎（他已經不在農場工作
‎目前正在求職）

515
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:21,000
‎（而且終身都必須遵守假釋規定）

516
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:49,840
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