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(CHILDREN'S VOICES)

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(MAN LAUGHS)

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(CHILDREN LAUGHING)

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Going into the church.

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The little ones out here playing.

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(CHUCKLES)

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Having fun?
(CHILDREN LAUGHING)

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How's everybody doing?
Dale.

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How you doing?How you doing?
Good to see you, bud.

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How you doing?
This is my son, Quentin.

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Nice to meet you.
Nice to meet you.

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Recently, my parole officer just
allowed me to start going to church.

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I've been attending
for about six weeks now.

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And it's a blessing to me.

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Hey, Dale.
Good to see you. How you doing, bro?

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(CHUCKLES) Greasy hands.
That's OK.

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It's OK. God bless you.

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I have waited for this moment
for a long time,

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and these people understand that.

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CONGREGATION: God, guide me
to make right decisions,

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and teach me to use my time

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to accomplish the greatest good
and to strengthen this life of mine.

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WOMAN: I think it would be
appropriate now, Dale,

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if you'd come forward
and give us your testimony.

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I just want to say that I'm grateful
for each and every one of you

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that have given me an opportunity.

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You've opened your hearts,

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and you've opened your church,
and you've opened your lives to me.

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I wasn't strong enough
until three, four years ago

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to be able to step forward
and admit who I was and what I was.

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I went to court
for capital murder in 1990,

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and ended up
on death row for three years,

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for the life
that I took from someone

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trying to blackmail me
into a homosexual relationship.

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Some people think that I shouldn't
even breathe another breath.

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After the moment that
I took that life.

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So, because I'm a murderer, I don't
have the right to tell the truth?

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I'm not concerned about the people
that want to speculate,

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because the children of God
will understand.

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(BIRDS TWEETING)

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It's important
that people understand

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that we all have
these trials and tribulations

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that we go through in life.

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And that day that I took that life,

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I was taking my own, because I
didn't want to live anymore.

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Cos I was tired of living
in that pain.

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In my childhood,
I went through some things.

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Being molested at the age of ten,
it scarred me and hurt me for life.

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I was just growing up with
that stigmatation of being molested.

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It was hard.

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It made me question
about my sexuality and who I was,

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and am I really a man?

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It was like the catalyst
to self-destruction

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eventually 11 years later,

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cos I was running
from my demons and my fears.

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And...when I came to Texas,
it all started again.

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At the time around the murder,
I was really emotional.

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I was really lost.

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I was back on the intravenous drugs,
shooting meth, cocaine...

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..and it's when I met John.

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And um, we became close friends.
He let me come over and shower,

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you know, take a nap.

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I confided in him
and told him about, you know,

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what I'd been through and why I was
living on the streets, and...

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being molested at the age of ten.

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You know, in time,

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yeah, I trusted John.
I got to know John,

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and I thought he was
a really sincere, good friend.

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One night, when I came over
to his house,

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I took a shower and...

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lay down. I fell asleep.
I woke up, he was on top of me.

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And I pushed him off of me.

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I said, "What are you doing, man?"
And I grabbed my stuff.

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And that...that fear kicked in.

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Of when I was ten.

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I said,
"John, I befriended you, man.

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What made you think
that I would want that?"

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He told me,
"Man, if you don't agree,

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man, I'm gonna tell everybody
that you were doing it anyway."

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I suppressed everything
for all my life, but...

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I reached my breaking point.

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I befriended John...

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..and then he tried to blackmail
me into a homosexual relationship.

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I told him
I don't have nothing to live for.

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I said, "If you do that,
I promise you I'll kill you."

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And I meant that
with all my heart,

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because I didn't care
about my own life.

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Two days after John tried
to abuse me

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is when he made calls
looking for me,

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and I took that as a threat that
he was going to tell people that

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we had a sexual relationship,
which was a lie.

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Because I may be a lot of things,

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and I might even be a killer,
a murderer...

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..but I've never been a homosexual.

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And I decided that
I was going to fight back.

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That I'd warn him...

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and I was going to fulfil
what I said I was going to do.

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April 6th 1990.

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I walked into that
Subway sandwich shop...

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and he says, "So you decided to come
around and see it my way, huh?"

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And I took the .45
out of my pocket.

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I set it on the table top,
and I push it right in front of him.

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And he started shaking, literally.
He was terrified.

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I shot him six times in the chest.

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(SINGLE GUNSHOT)

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And when he fell...

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..I emptied the rest of the clip,
shot him,

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twice in the back of the head
as he lay there.

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I question myself a lot.

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About how I let myself get in that
situation, that I would do that.

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It's a dark place to be.

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I mean, to be that broken...

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And I'll forever be paying for that

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and I wish I never would have
taken John's life.

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No-one deserved that.

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That's why I haven't forgiven myself
to this day.

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And people tell me I gotta
get past it, I gotta forgive myself.

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It's not an easy thing to do.

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You know, but I can't
turn back the hands of time.

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All I can do is
make my life count and matter now,

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and try to give back.

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You know, my life has been...

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..a torment of winds
and frustrations

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and tides that just kept
pulling me out deeper and deeper.

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That's why I wanna tell
the story and give back.

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I wanna help other people, let them
know being molested, being abused,

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whatever you're going through,
you have to reach out

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to somebody,
until somebody hears you.

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I didn't do nothing as
a ten-year-old child

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to warrant being molested.

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But I held that
my whole entire life.

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I had nowhere to release it.
I had nowhere to go.

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But that pain became my process
to my purpose.

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To the vision that God has for me.

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Because I know,
each and every day of it I live,

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and every breath that I take

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is living proof that miracles
really can happen. Thank you.

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CONGREGATION: Amen!

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MAN: I think it's a story
of redemption, and...

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we're all capable of being redeemed,
if we go the right route.

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I thought it was tremendous.

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MAN: I can relate to Dale
a whole lot.

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Cos I was locked up myself
for 28 years flat.

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On an attempted murder case.

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But I didn't do like Dale.
Dale got smart and found God

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and all that stuff, and I didn't.
I was...

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I just kept rebelling.

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I think Dale is a good man.

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He knows what he's talking about.

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There's been a lot of blessings
since I've been out.

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And a lot of peoples hearts
have been softened.

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That's the prayer
I've had since I've been out.

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Yeah.
So God's been making a way.

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Over these few months...

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..Dale has made a lot of progress.

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He has won a lot of people over,
especially the church members.

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They are just blown away by him

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when he testifies,
and tells them his story.

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Dale is winning people over every

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time he has the opportunity
to speak with them.

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Ah! Hi! Come on in!

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Come on in.
How y'all doing?

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All pretty good.
Bubba, this is Dale.

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Dale, this is
my grandson Shannon. Junior.

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Hey, how you doing?
Jenny, and Cheyenne.

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I appreciate you guys coming over.

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I've wanted to,
I've just been busy.

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With me, what you see
is what you get.

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There's no question you can't ask
that I won't try to answer.

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And I own who I am and what I am
and where I've come from.

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One thing I've never been

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is timid to the point of where,
you know, I won't answer a question.

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Do you mind us asking, like, how?

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You wanna know how?

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Back when I was ten,
I was molested as a child.

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11 years later
living on the streets,

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someone tried to blackmail me
into a homosexual relationship.

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And I told him,
"Where I'm at in life at this time,"

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I said, "if you do that,
I'm gonna kill you."

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I said, "Cos all I have left is,

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you know, my reputation, and...

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..keeping my word and being
a decent individual,"

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you know, and...

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he thought it was a game.

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So you shot him, huh?
Yeah.

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And I took two lives.
His and mine.

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But it's by the grace of God
that I'm still alive.

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Not everyone is going to understand
or be receptive to my story

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because there's two types of people
in the world

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that people are most terrified of.

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And that's murderers
and child molesters.

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And I'm a murderer.

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Too much cuteness, too much.
Good seeing you, man.

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Gradually, people that have gotten
to talk to me and converse with me,

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and hear my story,
they generally see the man I am now.

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Appreciate y'all coming.
Yes, sir. See y'all.

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Don't be a stranger, come on by.
Yeah, come by any time.

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So, what you think about him?

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He talks a lot. (CHUCKLES)

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I mean, yeah, he's been inside...

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prison all his life.
Nah, he's cool.

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He's gonna talk.
He's gonna tell everybody his story.

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So everybody knows who he is.

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Yeah, seemed like he learned
a lot in prison.

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He was on drugs and going through
a rough time.

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And the guy also did something
to hurt him too.

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I'd probably
do the same thing anyway.

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DALE: 'Before the murder,
I was on the streets,

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and I met John Zeltner.'

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'You know, I trusted John.
I got to know John.

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I thought he was a really sincere,
good friend.'

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'And then, he tried to blackmail me
into a homosexual relationship.'

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'I told him,
"I don't have nothing to live for."

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I said, "You do that,
I promise you I'll kill you."'

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(STOPS PLAYBACK)

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If he's saying
that's what he believes today,

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and still believes that
that was justified,

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I'll be frank with you.
I got problems.

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I got concerns um...

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with society being exposed
to that type of irrational thought.

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I'm not going to
call somebody a liar,

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because I don't know what's true
or not, but I will say this...

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..if that information is true,
and if it's accurate,

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that's information that should've
been told to a jury.

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And so, I'll be frank with you,

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I wouldn't believe that
on face value.

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He's claiming, if I'm correct,
that he's been...blackmailed...

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..by an individual saying that he...

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..um, is gay.

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All right?

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To me, I think
it's rather ridiculous.

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If someone wants to um...

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claim that my lifestyle is something
other than it is, I don't care.

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Go right ahead.
I know who I am.

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What's that gonna do to me?
How is that gonna hurt me?

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All right? I certainly don't
have a right to go take your life.

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It's pretty extreme.
No, that's very extreme.

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And um...

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..it's really irrational.

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Mr Sigler is now reversing roles.

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He has turned himself
into the victim...

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..and John Zeltner
into the bad guy.

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And he was out a victim.
He is NOT a victim.

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If he's a victim of anything,
he's a victim of himself

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and of his own actions.
Nobody else.

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Nobody in society is to blame
for what happened.

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Period. Except himself.
And you need to get on your knees

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and not only thank your God,
but you need to thank society

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for giving you that second chance.

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He says people
need to understand him.

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Well, let me tell you, it's society
that's given you this second chance.

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You need to be grateful,
you need to be humble.

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You need to be accountable.

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Quit making up excuses. Quit talking
about it and move forward.

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And now do what's right.

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(THUNDER RUMBLES)

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It's no about shifting blame.

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It's about telling the truth.

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I take full responsibility
for the life that I took.

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But try to understand
how I got to that point.

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I couldn't see clearly.

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I couldn't see a future.
I couldn't see a life.

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All I see was
the torment and the pain.

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PRODUCER: Was there nothing else
you could've done,

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rather than killing?

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(CHUCKLES) That's what people
don't understand is,

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they wanna to talk about what
you COULD have done.

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Hindsight's 20/20.

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You know, what you could have done
in conjecture 30 years later...

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that's a waste of time to me.

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It doesn't resolve a situation.
It doesn't bring John's life back.

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What people don't want to understand
is the pain and the torment

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that got you to that point
to where you would take a life.

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Why didn't you tell people
at the time?

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Why would I wanna tell people?

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The times that I tried to reach out
and tell my attorney, tell people,

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you know, it's like I was ridiculed.

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I was told the first time
I met my attorney.

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Were you the biggest stupid idiot
in the world?

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The judicial system
doesn't really wanna know.

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My attorneys
really didn't wanna know.

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So, why would I wanna share
with anyone?

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Because I felt like there was no way
that anyone was gonna understand.

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It didn't matter to me.

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I just wanted it over.

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I wanted to die.

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Do you have resentment towards
gay men, or are you homophobic?

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How do you fee about people
who are gay?No.

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I didn't kill him
because he was gay.

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I've never been resentful
or homophobic

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or had any type of issues
with other people's choices in life,

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cos I'm not judgemental of people.

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Do I believe in homosexuality?

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No, I believe
it's an abomination of God,

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cos that's what the principles

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of the word of God tell me.
That's what they teach me.

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But you're damned to live that life.

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But I don't sit in judgement of
people. I love people in spite of.

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So no, as a child, and even
to this day, I'm not judgemental.

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I don't hate anyone
for their beliefs,

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or their sexuality.

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Never have.

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But it seems other people
wanna sit in judgement of me

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because I killed a homosexual,
trying to make it into a hate crime.

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It wasn't about that.

307
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I wonder if he could have
misread your signals.

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There is no way that
you can misread my signals.

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There is no way you can misconstrue
the type of man that I was.

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There's no way.

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See people think that there just may
be something more to this,

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that we just don't know, or...

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maybe this is just for
a five minutes of fame.

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Or maybe this is, you know...

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trying to cover something else up,
or...

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No. This is genuine.

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This is exactly what happened,
and the truth of the matter.

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I'm telling the story now,
not to villainize the individual,

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not to make an excuse, not to...

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try to justify...
what I've done.

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I don't care what people say,
or what they think, or what they see.

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Because I know it's the truth.

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GREG MILLER: It's the perfect cover
because the person that can really

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tell everybody
what really happened...is dead.

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I guess it's pretty easy to shift
responsibility to a dead man,

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when he can't come forward and...

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..tell us probably
what really was the relationship

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between Dale Sigler and himself.

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And even if you were to say
Sigler's telling the truth there,

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that's sure not much of a reason
to go out and kill somebody.

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Because of an attempted
homosexual liaison?

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I mean, come on.
Gimme a break.

333
00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,080
Well, I suppose the question
becomes...

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is it a worse set of facts that
John Zeltner got killed because

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Dale Sigler alleged
he was a homosexual

336
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and was blackmailing Dale Sigler?

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00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:08,400
Or is it is a worse set of facts
that he killed John Zeltner

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because he wanted to get money

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for more drugs and more booze?

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Either scenario is pretty damning,
I think.

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You know, whatever spin
you wanna put on it,

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there is one common denominator,
and that is John Zeltner is dead.

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I really have no idea
if he's remorseful.

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I hope he is.

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And I hope he thinks every single
day what he's done to my family.

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There's no forgiveness.

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00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,720
I will never, ever forgive him.

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00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:00,200
He couldn't say or do anything to me
to bring my brother back.

349
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:01,560
Should I forgive him?

350
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,520
No. No. Not at all.

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00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,080
Wouldn't change one bit
if I thought he'd be reformed.

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00:22:08,120 --> 00:22:09,840
I'd still feel the same way.

353
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,960
You know, what you did before...

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you should pay for.

355
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:34,360
I think anybody that has been
a prosecutor, defence lawyer

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or a judge for any amount of time
have asked the question:

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What is a fair punishment
for murder?

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And...I will tell you that's
a very difficult question to answer.

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I am comfortable with the sentence
that he received in this case.

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00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,880
Regardless of what people say,

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00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:00,280
30 years in prison
is a boat-load of time.

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00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:05,680
Dale has basically spent almost 60%
of his life in prison, so...

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00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,320
I'm OK with the sentence.

364
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,560
But he'd better not screw up again.

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00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,920
# COUNTRY ROCK

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Driving a car after 30 years...

367
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,040
it's a beautiful thing.

368
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:51,560
I waited a long time to be able

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to get in my own automobile

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00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,400
and be able to drive,
and take myself to work,

371
00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:00,600
and just enjoy life, and have
the wind blowing in your hair.

372
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,080
You know, have the radio on,

373
00:24:02,120 --> 00:24:05,960
just being free,
and that's really what it's about.

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00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:16,880
(CHICKEN CLUCKS, SHEEP BAAS)

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00:24:24,120 --> 00:24:26,320
I look forward
to coming out here every day,

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00:24:26,360 --> 00:24:28,920
cos it's a little bit,
you know, quiet.

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00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,800
Peace. Tranquillity.

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00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,280
I mean, being stuck in prison with
all that screaming and hollering,

379
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,200
you know, it's kinda frustrating.

380
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,920
But now you don't have to deal
with that, it's a big relief.

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00:24:45,360 --> 00:24:47,440
Ain't nothing like
a hard week of work,

382
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,360
come home with a pocket
with money in.

383
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:53,880
Take a shower, sit down,
eat dinner with someone you love.

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00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,040
You know, just talk about life.
Just enjoy life, you know.

385
00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,360
We just take it for granted.
I know I did.

386
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,080
You know, every moment's
precious now to me.

387
00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:12,080
CAROLE: I've been...
kinda on my own for a while now.

388
00:25:12,120 --> 00:25:14,800
And even though I like my privacy,

389
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,120
it's nice to have somebody else
to talk to,

390
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,800
and just pal around with.

391
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,480
So, we're having a good time.

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00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,920
Learning about things,
about our past and each other.

393
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:30,800
Enjoying it.
Just enjoying it.

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00:25:32,360 --> 00:25:34,320
That's my yearbook
from high school.

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00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:36,920
This was, I got this -
That's when I was four.

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00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,480
1967.
And? So what are you trying to say?

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00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:40,720
That's a good year!

398
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,920
Oh, OK.You should have
had a real good year that year.

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00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,160
Your picture in there?
Yes...(CHUCKLES)

400
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,120
Yeah.
Oh, cut it out.

401
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,400
Yeah. (CHUCKLES)
Cut it out.

402
00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:56,760
Our relationship is still good.

403
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,120
We still love each other, but yeah,
we have our moments,

404
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,080
but we always kiss and make up.

405
00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:07,720
You really wanna see my picture?
Yeah, where is it?

406
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:12,560
I ain't gonna tell you. (CHUCKLES)
Ah.You gots to find me.

407
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,440
Dale is still a big kid at heart.

408
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:21,720
He gets goofy. He's having fun
and he's wanting to express

409
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,800
that happiness, and he can only
do it by being a big kid.

410
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,480
Still ain't found me?
Uh? You're trying to stop me

411
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,040
getting your picture.
I'm not.

412
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,160
Yeah, you are.No, I'm not!
Yeah, you are.

413
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,560
No, I am not!
OK, I'm just sayin'...

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00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,840
That's you.
Yep.

415
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,200
You were beautiful.

416
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,120
You still beautiful,
but you was BEAUTIFUL.(CHUCKLES)

417
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:46,480
Well, thank you.

418
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,400
If I was 19 years old
and I was in school with you then,

419
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,760
I would have been chasing you.
Ah!

420
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,880
You was gorgeous.
You was gorgeous.Ahh.

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00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,120
I really didn't know
that much of the details

422
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:09,280
about the murder until we were
sitting in the living room,

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00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,080
and I asked him about it.

424
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,600
When he told me what happened,
I was in a little bit of shock.

425
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,240
And then, my heart broke even more.

426
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:28,440
Because I could see
how much he was hurting.

427
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,520
So, I didn't change my opinion
of how I felt about him.

428
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,840
And, no matter what, I got his back.

429
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,880
Life at the moment is...
pretty beautiful.

430
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,960
When you think back
on how far I've come.

431
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,320
What I've came through.

432
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:11,600
I couldn't see this day coming.

433
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,240
To be in this moment,
and just be able to...

434
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,680
..smell the fresh air,
look at the clouds in the sky...

435
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,080
..just...it's a beautiful day.

436
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,880
What is a fair punishment...
for murder?

437
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,440
I know that I deserve
this opportunity.

438
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,360
I know I've earned...

439
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:45,600
this freedom.

440
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,720
After 30 years of incarceration,

441
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,080
I've paid my price.
More than enough.

442
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,880
I've changed. I've grown.
I've matured.

443
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,720
So, yeah. I deserve this.

444
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,440
I deserve opportunity just like
anyone else.

445
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,440
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